How do you actually feel about monarchy?

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>>132355907

>>132355907
I would only support a monarchy if I was the monarch.

>>132355907
Meritocracy > Aristocracy

If America was a monarchy Hillary Clinton would be Queen right now

>>132355907
Better than democracy. At least monarchs have more of a reason to preserve society for the next generation than a rotating door of childless politicians does.
Still is bad though

>>132355907
Only for barbarians and cucks. We need a full athenian democracy with public offices selected by lottery.

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>>132355907
The ultimate redpill

>>132356605
This. All officials should serve short terms as well to prevent the inevitable corruption

>>132356397
who was the last childless president?

>>132355907
Best system.

>>132356019
This. Let the population decide their ruler is retarded, since the majority of the population is retarded.

I would support a monarch if their not some german imbred.
Or if their king bob

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I really miss it.

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>monarch
>elite ruling class
>somehow NOT controlled by the global elite

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A living fossil with a crab mentality.

Just like Judaism, banking, niggers, and China.

>>132357226
That's a cool coat of arms

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>>132356019

The one with the crown is Hillary, right?

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I do not believe in a social contract, will of the people, egalitarianism, etc. etc. Most Enlightenment political philosophy is garbage, except those parts pertaining to free-market economics.

I would rather be left in peace under a monarch than be represented in a system that rips me off.

>>132355907
Proven to work and objectively best system.

ITT: 12 year old boys who take Warhammer seriously.

>>132357226
that is an excellent flag

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>>132355907

They start out alright, but once they become leisured aristocracy, they degenerate quite rapidly.

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I want to live under it

>>132358632
>kekistan flag
>insulting others for being childish

O I am laffin

>>132358862
This is true for every system. And monarchy seems to last the longest.

>>132359063
If someone posted Pepe with a crown, I bet he'd change his mind right quick.

>>132357272
Why would they need to be?

>>132357161
>that flag
>supporting monarchy in any way shape or form

Wew, lad.

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>>132359474
>He doesn't know about triple H

>>132359474
No monarchy has ever had taxes so high as our "free" democracies.

It's a huge cultural boost and as long as they lack any real power and stay away from everything political I don't have a problem with it. Also thumbs up for everything the Swedish royal family does.

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>>132355907
Arguably the best system
>king is linked by blood and by wealth to his country so what is bad for it is ultimately bad for him
>you can't corrupt him with money or career promises like all the puppets we have today
>quintessentially a conservative force
>quintessentially nationalist
>quintessentially patriarchal (unless you are some brit faggot but who cares about them ?)
>he doesn't raise to power by being a slimy professionnal liar
>was taught how to rule and not how to win a public contest

Best proof is how Franced turned to shit since we don't have a ruler while we were the most powerful country in Europe from the fall of Rome until the Revolution.

>>132358632
>an absolutely abhorrent post
>kekistani faggot

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>>132359779
>the joys of representation

>>132355907
I want a Monarchy, but unfortunately we don't have any royal blood to support so the only way for one for one to spring up is either via gutter crown or a situation like the end of the Roman Republic.

>>132360062
In hungary it's about 50% if you don't have 3 kids.

>>132356860
Obama's kids couldn't have been biologically his considering he married a tranny.

>>132355907
Unironically the best system ever conceived.
There's a reason the Jews first made sure to eradicate European monarchies before pushing their current shit.

Monarchies preserve stability and traditional values, because that's how they keep themselves alive. They ensure that the leaders do what is best for their country, because the king himself directly benefits from it and most of the king's wealth will forever be bound in his country due to land not being moveable.
It'd basically fix all the problems with modern politics in an instant.

>>132357423
>>132358824
;_;

Fuck Masons...

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>>132359426
(((they))) start making decisions for us

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>>132355907
>falling for the outdated renaissance fair meme

>>132355907
Monarchs only deserve death.

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>>132360794
>preserve stability and traditional values
Have you seen the current king of Thailand and his former wife? Entire countries have been destroyed by bad monarchs. It's playing Russian roulette.

>>132361342
Yeah with a revolver with 3000 chambers and one bullet

>>132361342
better than playing poker with marked cards.

>>132358632
>>132359063
>thinks they both have an opinion
>non-geolocation flags

>>132360907
Nigga, you can't be a Mason without being a monarchist.

>>132360981
You're thinking of a plutocracy. A monarch wouldn't need anything like that.

>>132361129
Why?

>>132361129
>>132361041
Spoken like a true communist jew worm

>>132355907
holy fuck that show and movie was entertaining

>>132360062

yeah and under king george the police, fire service, schools, infrastructure and military basically didn't exist (or were somewhat hostile in the case of the military)

>>132361342

Monarchs only have one goal in mind, the preservation of their country and her people. Meanwhile Democracies have one goal in mind, keep getting re-elected by listening to every whim of the "people".

Kings are like the leaders of companies who built it from the ground up, meanwhile democracies are the 3 month CEO looking for a sweet, short term return. Even if it means the end of his company. As long as he gets his bonus, he doesn't care.

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>>132361615
>why?
Why serve some fucking king? Why should they live in luxury on your taxes why people starve in the streets and thousands go with out a home? You are ether a noble pig or the ultimate cuck if you are a monarchist. If you truly love your people and your culture, you would be a socialist.

>>132361858
In the case of american schools not existing is a positive thing.

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>>132361615
>doubting the jews ability to weasel their way into being puppetmasters of every western nation
lol

>>132362051
"Politicans live in luxury while people are starving", you just described socialism you subhuman ape

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>>132360062
...the stamp tax you asshat. Literally a tax on anything you wanted to display in your house.
Can't fire a Monarch as easily as a politician

>>132361615
>Nigga, you can't be a Mason without being a monarchist.

They changed their stance somewhere in between. They were responsible for a lot of anti-monarchist revolutions, but after seeing what democracy brought they went "oops".

>>132361858
Because people could take care of their own shit without needing to hand over autonomy to a bunch of overpaid bureaucrats and rent-seekers. All of the 'services' the state provides are garbage.

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>>132355907
A monarchy tends to plan thing in a long run, a democracy in the short.
I think Hoppe was right about that.

>>132360344

based

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>>132361342
Vajeera Long Corn. Probably a great guy.

>>132362448
I pay far more on EVERYTHING I buy because of sales and excise taxes than I would pay on a measly stamp.

And firing the politician doesn't mean shit if it's revolving door of incestuous rent-seekers.

>>132362606
>50% taxation is based
I could get the point behind lower taxes for parents and even lower ones when your children graduate, but that is too much in peacetime.

>>132355907
Monarchism/Imperialism is/are a mental illness requiring psychiatric treatment, drugs, and isolation from society until recovery is complete and confirmed. Or else kill the motherfuckers.

>>132362793
>muh democracy

>>132362606
No it' not
>>132362790
thank you

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>>132355907
I think you are a retarded faggot, actually.

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>>132362793
nigger afraid of no welfare

>>132355907
It's not really that bad, people used to democracies feel like they're a regressive end of the world, but it's obviously nothing like that.
However, being an actual monarchist at this point and thinking much will come of it is the pinnacle of LARPing.

>>132361342
>Thailand
Thailand is an asian shithole full of prostitutes what will you show us next ? Bokassa ? Don't compare european nobility to third worlders.

>Entire countries have been destroyed by bad monarchs. It's playing Russian roulette.
And all countries are systematically destroyed by republicanism and parliementary regimes.
Also bad kings rarely happen and when it does there is either abdication or someone else is picked by the royal family to help him rule (like a Richelieu).

>>132361950
>Kings are like the leaders of companies who built it from the ground up, meanwhile democracies are the 3 month CEO looking for a sweet, short term return. Even if it means the end of his company. As long as he gets his bonus, he doesn't care.

Good analogy, the main problem of democracy is that there is not accountability, politicians fuck shit up and they never have to assume their choices.

>>132362051
Typical commie jealousy (which is the core of your ideology) and lies, socialism is internationalist and cheer for the erasure of people culture and identity to make them ants.
Also egalitarianism is a stupid meme.

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>>132362763
You're assuming that since those revolutionary day taxes there would be no more? You should be comparing Britan's shit situation to yours unless you wanted to conveniently pretend that time isn't a factor? I don't want cable so i don't buy it. It's a subscription. In Britain there's a tv tax. You don't pay it you can't use your tv.

Greed is in both places but instead of whining why not go gather signatures and knock on doors and work to change things?

>>132355907

it's the same shit all over again, if you chose wrong then you are screwed

real democracy should have law power to control gov decisions

>>132363191
If the collapse realy comes it's possible that a monarchy will emerge from the ashes.

>>132355907
im in for absolute monarchy

>>132362878

>being underage and post about political systems

imagine that there's no good system which will allow you to control those morons or stop them from causing global conflicts

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>>132363410
The state governments started collecting more taxes and building up debt as soon as or even before they gained independence. A substantial part of the reason why the Federal government was created was to enforce taxation for the collection of war debt and to put down tax resistance, e.g. the military action taken against the Whisky Rebellion.

And I don't believe for a second that knocking on doors is going to make politicians give up their taxes, debt, and corrupt monetary system. The iron law of oligarchy makes it clear that elites will not give up their gains because they can always distract the majority.

>>132355907
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>>132359771
So what I'm getting from Hoppes libertarianism is that it's basically taking a puzzle and positioning and orienting all the pieces exactly the same way a fascist/traditionalist would, but stopping short of actually connecting the pieces together.

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Anarcho-monarchism united in Catholic theocracy is the endgame redpill and the highest form of society.

>>132355907
It almost always only works for one or two generations and then some faggot comes into power and fucks everything up.

>>132355907
I object less to the political system itself than the mysticism that often comes with it. It should still come with a constitution and other officials, though, gotta have some Caligula insurance.

>>132361501
>>132361509
>>132361950
Constitutional republicanism is number one. The US needs to reduce its democratic elements, your rights as an individual should not be decided by a mob.

>>132362720
He seems pretty degenerate tbqh.

>>132363382
The Siamese whipped your country pretty good in the 19th century. And they keep their mudslime population in its place while mudslimes are taking over France.

>>132364606
There are many examples for it lasting 1000+ years. Democracy had a good run if it lasts 200

>>132355907
I don't like the idea of someone just gaining supreme power over me just because they came out of the right person's pussy from the right person's dick.

>>132355907
I can't imagine my country without it.

>>132364443
>anarchism
>monarchism
>catholicism

That's retarded

>>132355907
Closest thing we'll ever get to a benevolent dictator.

However there needs to be a way to ensure the leader we get isn't a piece of shit.

I want to see a monarch take back powers from parliament in my life time. I guess that makes Charles a candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHrMnl1uLo

>>132355907
I support a benevolent monarchy as history shows it's one of the best governing systems that yields one of the best social and cultural results.

However it's once that benevolent monarchy turns into a tyrannical or malevolent dictatorship that it poses a problem.

Benevolent monarchy > all other forms of government until it transforms to malevolent.

>>132364964

Sure, but just because they held things together doesn't mean it was "good" or that even half the people were happy.

>>132365102
How about a monarch that can be voted out of office when he fucks up?
Like when 50% say he is shit he will get out of office and another family gets voted to become the next monarchy?

>>132355907
>Real monarchy
An outdated concept from before the emergence of nationalism. People were traded like a cattle between the monarchs and had no real identity.

>Pseudo-monarchy like the one in the UK
A bunch of dumb celebrities that are eating public money and sometimes they generate some tourism income. Basically useles.

>>132365407
It doesn't work like that. Britain technically has that, and has since the English Civil War and the Glorious Revolution where it was finalized under the Rex v Rex trials which established the Crown is an institution, not a monarch.

But it isn't as simple as a "vote" - I mean a monarchy in theory is selected by God, and in practice, is born and raised for that role. You can't teach it. So who do you replace him with when the monarch goes? A guy off the street?

If it was a genuine king of kings
Someone with absolute compassion for his own
I wouldn't mind

You're 80% genetics, and a lot of you have
absolutely no idea the power of genetics

>>132365407
Nah, that leads to too much politics and backroom dealings since it would allow people to install puppet leaders like they do now.

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>>132355907
Nazism or Fascism > Degenerate nobles.

>>132365452
There is no pseudo monarchy in the UK. The Queen retains the power to dissolve all governments she's head of state of, most recently in Australia in 1975 when her Governor General fired the Prime Minister in response to a government shutdown. She signs Royal Assent on anything that becomes law, and every single soldier swears allegiance to her before parliament.

Does that sound like a pseudo monarchy dishwasher?

>>132365658
>Being this butthurt when somone is insulting your favourite celebrity

I unflinchingly support it since it's the only real and effective way of uniting ethno-nationalism with the state.

>>132365096
>>anarchism
No centralised system of controlling your money, only local sindicates/clans/families/guilds/fraternities.

>>monarchism
All the above operate within one country, under monarch as the head of state and guarantee of their freedoms.

>>catholicism
Monarch is appointed by God and guards the faith in order to maintain social order.

>>132365780
>being this out of arguments you resort to greentexting

>>132365452

Look at this liberal faggot who got tricked by the 18th century French version of antifa

>>132365780
I like your style, Polebro. Poland and USA forever.

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>>132364073
Well the Fed is a mess and was created for control over the money of the people, not from some democratic solution to a problem for the greater do-goodery of the nation. I think it's tyranny that it's never been audited, and horrible that we've lost the gold standard.

I know it was messy for all the states to have their own currencies but I can't help but think it might have been the right way to go (decentralized).

I'd like to know how to fix things, I can only think it's better fixed from within.

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>>132365938
But he is right, monarchism is pathetic. Nobles are degenerates.

>>132366027
I do think that the Federal Reserve is really at the heart of these problems; I probably would not be complaining about the US government if the Fed had never come into existence.

Constant debasement of the currency, and the financialization that results from it, is far more to be feared than the duplication of effort from having multiple currencies (which would all be based on gold anyway.) I can go to any ATM, and it can handle whatever bank I have; I can use my particular credit card at any store. In this modern age, the system could probably adapt to whatever competing currency we would be using.

>>132355907
Love it, especially if I'm the monarch, but I can't be.

ITT commies who hate glorious monarchism.

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>>132355907
You place too much emphasis on the underlying system and not enough on the people and their spirit, the Volksgeist.

A strong people with respectable values and the fervor to enforce their demand for a functioning society will do pretty much regardless of the underlying system. A monarch is only as benevolent as heeds to, just like a politician is only as competent and righteous as his voters demand him to be. Good monarchs have brought golden ages and so did good politicians. Bad monarchs have destroyed nations and so have bad politicians.

People give burgers a lot of crap, but name a single country that has a populace as fervously engaged in its politics. A lot of people know their governors, their senators and house representatives. In Germany, nobody does. Not even the "intelligentsia". There is the head of the party and some ministers that rotate seemingly arbitrarily and that's it. No interest, no transparency, no demands, no accountability. Our politicians might as well be monarchs.

That is the true reason the US is and has been the strongest nation for such a long time. Good people with strong values and tight social cohesion - stand tall for the man next door. That is also the reason the US has been in decline for some decades now. The erosion of social cohesion opens the way for corruption, nepotism and degeneracy. This is why divide and conquer is being pushed on all fronts. To destroy the Volksgeist of America.

>>132355907
Can't be worse than 'democracy'

>>132355907
Wish we lived under one. Living under a direct descendant of George Washington would be much better.

>>132355907
I would love it if Donald was king I would hate it if Onigger was.

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Constitutional Monarchy is my favorite system of government.

>>132367777
Quads confirms.

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>>132365647
Esoteric racial Aristocracy> pleb tier NatSoc or Fascism

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>>132368648
Yes, I agree, but further elaborate please.

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>>132364315
kek, yeah, pretty much. Enlightened monarchy sounds good on paper, much like other totally grown up and not made up things like communism and world peace, bruh

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>>132365234
name one(1) malevolent king in history

>>132368929
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/13/style/the-sun-kings-own-malevolent-genius.html

Louis XIV the fucking Sun King

>>132368929
If emperors count, Nero and Commodus.

>>132369333
Witnessed. Don't give them traffic:
https://archive.is/MojCf

>>132369333
He's called that because the fires he used to burn people to death. Fucking fr*nce.

btw, if you're 12 and don't really know, I'm kidding, Louis XIV was the shit, look his ass up.

>>132355907
I'm sure monarchy would actually be terrible to live in, but have no personal experience as a serf or lord

>>132369364
Nero was sick, not malevolent. The fire of Rome...that was probably caused by a cow kicking over a torch, it was just blamed on Nero because he had a bad PR team.

>>132355907
Better than C*pitalism

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>>132355907
Orthodox Autocratic Monarchy is the final redpill.

>>132355907
I like it.

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>>132369955
Lol what?? Serfs under Tsarist Russia were treated worse than cattle. This is not enlightened monarchy.

>>132361615
>Masons are Monarchists
>Almost all Revolutionary Leaders in Mexico which brought down the Monarchy were in the Masonic Order

Masonics are just Anti-Catholic & will use any tactic to bring it all down.

>>132357805

This.
>authoritarian intelectuals

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>>132370213
Not true, both accounts. Politics and religion are not talked about in the lodge room.

>>132355907
The west desperately needs the return of Monarchism. It's the most natural hierarchical system we've ever had.
99% of politicians are complete fucking scum, bought and paid for who pillage their country as much as possible during their tenure, can the same be said about past Kings?

>>132356050
This

>>132355907
Being there, done that

>>132355907
Since the success of a monarchy relies so heavily upon the quality of the monarch and those he relies on it makes for a poor system unless you design it so that the influence of bad monarchs is limited. Variations of that can be said for any form of government - there needs to be safeguards in check to act against government corruption and incompetence. In the case of both monarchism and republicanism the obvious solution is a strong constitution.
I'm strongly in favor of meritocratic governments and societies where the best of the best can rise to the top no matter where they start; I think this is definitely more possible in more republican/democratic societies since monarchism and aristocracy is inherently very hierarchical and have an incentive to maintain the status quo between classes. However I also think that republics run a much bigger risk of corruption which is also harder to fix due to the influence of money in politics, limited powers of the head of state etc etc.

What's most important to a state and it's success IMO is a strong constitution, strong social cohesion and a sense of self-sacrifice and patriotism and muh second amendment

>>132370398
Not quite. We definitely discuss politics fairly regularly but more in a context as to how it will affect business.

Reminder that all monarchs must be king of the land, not king of the people. King of France, for example, means your authority is divinely granted and you give rights and whatnot to the people. King of the French means that your authority comes from the people and that you rule with their approval. The negatives of that should be plainly obvious.

>>132366082

If they're degenerate, then they're not nobles, that's how it works.

>>132359816
At that point they're nothing but a mascot and thus useless.

>>132365658
>The Queen retains the power to dissolve all governments

If she ever tried you would see what that power is really worth: nothing

>>132365529
This is why pisstianity is shit. Meritocratic Monarchy was no problem before the christgod came.

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>>132370443
Yes, yes it can. Think hard, sempai, have you never heard of a ruler just straight up fucking their country? King John of England ruined their monarchy with the stroke of a pen. Mansa Musa created an inflationary wake that ruined the economy of North Africa for a century because he wanted to display his wealth. Ivan of Russia brutalized his country with a secret police force. Empress Wu of China starved or boiled alive tens of thousands of people, Herod the Great killed 150,000 boys under 2, Tamerlane the Great killed 20 million people just because, and I'm just going to say a name here...Attila. Please, negro.

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>>132371268
Fair enough, but the WM is not telling you whom to vote for, correct?

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>>132355907
recess was multiculti bullcrap propaganda
the teacher was a smelly hippie
vince nigger
spanelli jew
tj cuck
mikey obese
gretchin autistic
gus was the only based one in recess
what a shit show

>>132372001
Nope. Some of my lodge members are strongly pro-EU, some are strongly anti-EU. As far as Irish politics go, it doesn't matter who you support.

The strongest should rule

depends, absolute monarcy is literally retarded, but constitutional monarcy is a resonable system, still reading about it though

>>132369535
Are you actually retarded? He is le Roi Soleil because the world revolved around his actions, if he created a dance (which he did) most everyone in the known world would do it.

Also to note, to be benevolent you are well meaning & kind - which he certainly was. He cared for his countrymen.

Go back to school faggot.

>>132370197
You obviously know little of Tsarist Russia - only what you hear from Revolutionaries. The life of the common rural folk was actually not that bad. They had a good life - in fact before the Revolution they made lots of money which was why so many were able to get arms & fight the Revolutionaries in the Civil War.

>>132355907
Too risky. One inbred retarded son and the entire system falls apart.

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>all this Monarchism
absolutely disgusting

>>132355907
It's far too corruptible. A semi-republican dictatorship is better, at least if you're not willing to go full An-Cap.

>>132355907
individual is king, fuck your monarchy and fuck your taxes

>>132376909
Your thinking is infected with Jewish Bolshevism. "Oh, let's assume a monarchy is chaotic and whimsical (though history shows the opposite)."

Every monarchy has a institutional basis (the Court) with courtiers who run the country. The question of sovereignity is, who decides the exception? A rightful monarch (House of Stuart) or Jews in black robes (USA)?