HAPPENING -- CATALONIA TO DECLARE INDEPENDENCE

>>132340323
>next October 1st
come back when it matters

WE

>>132340454
WUZ

bump for Puigdemont

>>132340323
I hope it's irreversible

>>132340323

Dont believe the media

Dont watch tv or read the newspaper.

Catalonia is the number 1 narrative the state has to keep spaniards subservient and focused on something.

Catalonia is the number 1 money making jewish region of Spain. It will never be independent.

>>132340323
>Catalonia
>Independence
Ayyy

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>>132340947
''YES'' wont win, but i would like it...Just imagine those tanks rolling by Barcelona

>>132340323
I wish but it's not gonna hapen. Catalufos are retarded (or too intelligent). It would start a huge happening here.

>>132340323
Who cares. I couldn't be more tired of that shit.

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>>132341294
Vote "Yes"! Just to see what fucking happens LOL! Get everyone you can to vote yes. The world is so crazy that the only way to make things better is to try and make things worse. After all, it is just a vote.

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>>132340323

AGAIN??? IF FOR SOME FUCKING REASSON THEY LEAVE SPAIN THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF BUSES GOING DIRECT TO BARCELONA FULL OF ANGRY SPANIARDS WHO WILL LITERALLY CUT THE HEAD OF THAT FUCKING RETARDED PORK-LIKE AND FOR PUIGDEMONT I LL MAKE HIM SCREAM LIKE A PIG. IM DONE WITH EM
NEXT STEP IS JUST KILL FUCKING EVERYBODY WITH THAT FUCKING ARAGON-LIKE FLAG. FUCK.

>>132340323
So is only the Catalonian state holding the referndum, or are Valencia and the Balaerics having a referndum too?

>>132341294
>spanish civil war 2017

WW3 is close

>>132343292
Only Catalonia, and probably won't even happen.

>>132342548
that's how Drumpf Schlumpf (the literal Hitler) got into power you fascist
it was her turn

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>>132340323
Commies chiping out again? No worries bolan will send mercenaries to help you pacify the lefties

and nothing of value would be lost

>>132343555
Not even you believe that.

>>132343482
I kinda doubt it, but how do you think they'd handle the other claimed regions? I don't think we'll see anything like Ireland and the Troubles, or are we just gonna get a new bitching nation?

>>132343502
>deadcommies

they look pretty healthy for communists

>>132340323
i thought those holiday islands were part of catalonia too

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Just imagin the joy of seeing (As)Spain colapse.

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I was in catalonia (barcelona and manresa) last year. Was really impressed at the amount of catalonian flags, signs in catalan, etc.

Can someone give the quick rundown on why you expect this not to pass? Is it out of concern for the goodwill of Spain? Out of fear for the happenings from Madrid? Something else? Help me understand /pol/

I did kek at this sign though

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Basque vote when?

>>132343462
just hoping they wind so they will send it army to remind those commies how the thinks work

>>132343502
>n-no, these nationalists are commies, I swear!
lol gtfo

>>132340323
Aren't they a bunch of communists?

>>132343740

>Shocking!! This little country went from empire to third world status with one little trick! England hates him!!

>>132343870
they has always been since 1930 chek why spanish civil war occur

>>132343643
They have no way to do it, we could just send the police to arrest the rebellious politicians and that's it, and no armed conflict either, catalans are pacifists and pussies.

>>132343749
Many reasons:
>Lots of non Catalonians in the area
>Not all the native people want it
>Access to the EU would be difficult as Madrid would likely want a veto from somewhere (Madrid would have vetoed Scotland to EU during UK referendum)

>>132340323
I fucking hate catalon posters, I want them all to starve to death.
Are basques as annoying as the Catalons? Because historically wise they are just as bad at being traitorous cunts.

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>>132343069
>Cataluña si

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>>132340323
Enjoy!

>>132343971
Hi, do they really use 'agarrados' there? Or is the maymay in the telenovela context?

>>132344050
Zaaz pikutura Amerifat.

>>132344159
Yes, we use it.

Tacaños also.

>>132343749
The referendum is illegal according to Spanish law, we can just shut it down or ignore the result, like we've done before.

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Daily reminder that one of the main actors of muh independence is a commie who wants to raise children in a tribal way

>>132344050
Despite basques got more historicals rights and they has its own very different culture, they are not such annoying becouse they know they are well treated they got enough high liberty and they are well represented, there are some independentist but not serius movement, actually big difference is basques feel "different" of spaniards and filthytonians feels "superior" to other spaniards

>>132344159
I'm not a native speaker (Basque/English), but I would use it how we use "Stingy" or "Don't be a jew" in English.

>>132344050
At least vasque are manly about it,catacucks are plainly cucks and jewish pawns of first order

They can declare what they like, it wouldn't mean anything.

>>132340323
Why would Aragon go with them?

>>132344240
>Impregnating this thing...
Eww

>>132344484
They have his sword.

>>132344521
She wants a semenshake to form a communal family.

>>132344604
So they want to implement some sort of plato's communism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVT7JnoiG8U

>>132340595
ARAGONZ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2P1gz002s4

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Daily reminder for Catalanists to follow (twitter):
@MNAoficial
@som_twt
@MNAnoticies
And basically any who follows them. There is @AnticomBCN, but it's going to disappear due to being useless

>>132340323

Who gets Ibiza?

>>132340323

The fear of isolation will win again.

Spain, by conquest of the Visigoths, is rightful Germanic clay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s5GoLk2bm0

>>132344320
That's how we use it here too.Thx.

>catalonia gets independence
>spain and probably portugal block them from joining the EU
>businesses start leaving as they have no power vs the UK (comparing to brexit)
>they come crying back to Spain

you can't leave Jordi, stop being this fucking autistic

>>132345271
Germany

>>132345271
The drunk Britons. Although I do believe drunk Britons is an oxymoron.

>>132340323
Great like we need another Poortugal in the peninsula.

>>132343807

laster lagun, laster

>>132345582
As long as you stay in Catalonia do whatever you want.

>>132340323

>tries to declare catalonia independent
>gets imprisioned
>podemos wins the elections
>free jail card
>podemos transforms spain into venezuela
>podemos blames the rich people (all socialist blame it to someone)
>civil war

Thats how its going to happen, feel free to correct me

GOING FOR DOUBLES

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>>132345582
Do you realize that the reason why are so many moors in Catalonia is because they prefer muhammads over spanish speakers, rigth?

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>>132340323

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ3elWWIz8c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsPUrnB_F10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb9LldqWwgM

DISSENT IS NOT ALLOWED: http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica/20170703/423878406084/cese-jordi-baiget.html

Puigdemont fires Jordi Baiget, the "counselor of businesses", because he doubted about the viability of the Referendum.

>>132345858

Alright. That's underwear. With those shoes.
That's fucking hot.
I'm degenerating myself now.
Please tell me there is more.

>>132340323
I wish there was Catalonian diaspora so these threads would be fun just like when bunch of goatfuckers with USA and Germany flags shitpost on Kosovo threads

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>>132340323
For those who don't know this is like their 50th referendum. Spain'll survive I'm sure mis amigos

>>132345929
Good Lord

>>132345685
Beraz, anaia naiz.

>>132344484

To destroy the One Ring thus subvert Sauron's power.

>>132340323
I thought your name was Aragon?

Catalan independence = Stronger seperatist movements everywhere = EU4 tier European borders

>>132346970
What separatist movement do you think will succeed first after Aragon?

>>132340323
If you fuckers don't roll tanks into Catalonia you will be worse cucks than the Swedish. I have no doubt Soros is behind this.

>>132346970
>>132347049
And since Spain was formed from (mainly) Castile and Aragon, would Spain also change their name and flag?

>>132343069
>it's a fat guy grows a beard to try to give himself some sort jawline episode

>>132342548

Go with your shitposting and shitlogic back to your kangarroo bag.

>>132347152
Doubt it, then they wouldn't be ONE TRUE SPAIN™ with illegally revolting provinces anymore

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>>132340323
Say goodbye to Spain. There is only Castille now.

>>132347261
>Dutchland

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I hope Galicia seccedds.

>>132347261
whata r you doing? i am Valencian and here we feel spanish

>>132347332
Do Galician separatists even exist to a point of a movement?

>>132347152
Catalonia and Aragon are different things you retard.

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>>132340323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

>>132343462
>spanish civil war
>the rest of the world vs spain

>>132347389
Well, Valencians are retarded, we won't hold it against you.

Seriously, worst decision Jaume I ever took.

>>132347492
A few of them did it sucessfully in 1129

The rest stayed behind to fuck up spain from the inside.

Catalan independence is a fake. Its purpose is to avoid entering WWIII against Russia and China. When the Muslims attacked Israel and Europe from within and without, national unity would be called upon to enter the war.
Reconquest! Remove Kebab! Deus Vult!

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>>132347517
Nowadays Aragon yes, but Aragonese clay was governed by Catalonia for several centuries. Everyone knows Aragonese can't do shit by themselves anyway.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv9jwVEH13s

Keep wet dreaming. Spain is one, and that won't change not even with terrorism or your ignorant speculation and hype for war. Faggots.

>>132347320
Funny thing is that that would be Germany's name in English if we didn't already snatch Dutch because we became our own state first

KEKED

If Catalunha secedes, Spain will have to change it's name.

I mean, it shouldn't already be called Spain since they do not own all of Hispania anyway.

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>>132347152
hello EU4tard, please kill yourself

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>>132347868
>Spain is one not fifty one
Stale memes for the stale Kingdom. Bring back the Athens sacking and make the Principat great again.

>>132348008
If mexico became spain i would legitimately not mind giving parts of CA back.

Spain is a worthy neighbor we can teach them how to navy again and they can be naval power pals against china.

>>132341294

Actually "yes" is gonna win by far, those voting 'no' are mostly retards that won't even vote.

>>132347692
Wasn't Spain Castile at the time? I know that Spain wasn't reformed until the 15th century

>>132348132 No thanks, even Poortugal is better than you.

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>>132348150
No, there was no Spain.

There was Leon and Castille. Portugal belonged to Galicia which belonged to Leon. There was also Navarre and Aragon to the East too, I think.

Castille would later have a royal marriage and merge with Leon and later on with Aragon.

Spain as a county only became so after the inclusion of Granada in 1492 or something.

The power centre of Spain has always been in Castilian land, and it has been the most influential culture, despite Andalusian culture being more projected (siesta, touradas, lazyness and dry hot landscapes).

>>132348264
I can't wait to be a war criminal desu.

Reading about this in /pol/ is hilarious, you niggers don't know shit about Catalunya and what's going on.

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>>132340323
Next october live on cnn 24/7, spanish civil revolution and inquisition.

>>132348368
How do i manage to get work in a txeka? I really want some ez civilian kills and to operate a gas chamber

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>>132348197
dont insult us 4th of july tortilla nigger

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>>132347985
>It shouldn't already be called Spain since they
do not own all of Hispania anyway.

We aren't the ones that did separate. We are the genuine country that ruled the penninsula together, if you want to create another nation ok for you, but the name stays here lol.

>>132348017
Pero qué cojones hablas pantumaca, la legalidad del proceso es irrelevante (españa establece lo que es legal) pero NO es legítimo. Las bases sobre las que se asienta son adaptaciones históricas convenidas, y lo demás es pura propaganda infecta. Sigue haciéndote pajas sobre tu estelada mientras tus políticos judeo-gabachos os roban el dinero, pedazo de subnormal.

I hope it happens just to witness the eternal butthurt from the faggots in Barcelona and bandwagoners around the world when FC Barcelona gets kicked out of La Liga and literally have no league to play in

>>132348486
Chekas are for gommies, I want to join a right wing death squad.

>>132348623
>Not even Spanish, Basque/French born in UK. Live in Donostia.

>>132340323
Catalonia will never secede. Mainly because they are jews and benefit from TRYING to get independent instead of BEING independent. It's all a corrupt movement cucks defend.

>>132340323
it would be cooler if they called themselves aragon

>>132348673
nono we want independence but la liga stays the same famalam :^D

>>132348735
i will settle for anyone, maybe first a cheka then a right wing gas chamber, with a good curriculum they'd give you a job there later when they pwn this retarded shithole

>>132348650
Castille is a better name than Spain anyway.

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>>132348650
Triggered bro?

Like I care about the Estelada, I want the Principat back cleansing the mediterranean again. No need to cleanse Spain, you're ruining it good enough for my tastes already.

>Spain wants to annex Gibraltar
>Catalonia secedes from Spain

top kek. Gibraltar-Catalonia union when? Fuck Spa*n.

>>132349035
Catalonia in the commonwealth now.

>>132349035
Too bad you're getting fucking destroyed because of Brexit lmao.
>>132348957
Yes, but the flag isn't as special as Spain's tbqh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgd5R8s4rY

Pisses me off to see (ex-)Barcelona players hype up the people for an independent Cataluna. These footballers are rich as fuck. They won't get hurt by it.

Madrid will never accept it. Because of this they will always block Cataluna from becoming a EU member. In fact this basically means a Catalonian Brexit. Their economy will get hit big time. Rich folks, like the Barcelona players, can handle that. The average Catalonian won't.

>>132343908
DAMN RIGHT AND WE'LL DO IT AGAIN

>>132349035
Should give Gibraltar to France, for maximum butthurt.

>>132349169
>Yes, but the flag isn't as special as Spain's tbqh.
I like the simplicity of the Golden castle on a red field more than the current Spanish flag. But then again I prefer the 5 blue shields to the current Portuguese flag as well.

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>>132348856
>*blocks your path*

>>132349150

Kingdom of Catalonia. Has a nice sound to it.

>>132349169

Destroyed by brexit how? LOL. Keep cucking yourself with the Euro. Your whole country is literal shit.

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>>132349305
There's also the old rojigualda

>>132340323
>if

>>132348132

Nah. You fucked up when you helped to destroy the empire. We never forgot how to navy, and now chinese are our potential allies. U'll have to deal with it and our mexican vanguards till you drown in tacos.

>>132349376
To be historically accurate it should be "Principate of Catalonia". But we can work it out.

>>132349405
The shield is too round for my taste.

I do like the layout of the Spanish flag. It makes for a nice set with the Portuguese one with the off-centre shield and 2 field colours. Doubly so when we had the Monarchic blue flag with the crown as well.

>>132349376
>Brit gets triggered because Brexit won't get rid of the kebab problem and just create more problems between Britain and other European countries
lmao

>>132349472

Yup ;)

>>132349487

Span*ard gets triggered because instead of gaining territory, he loses it. And loses the most valuable area in his entire country

LOL

>>132347049
Not realistic, but I'd like to see Germany break back up into little pieces.

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>>132347629
>Spain wins

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>>132349480
In my honest opinion, the flag should be the Cross of Burgundy. The current flag just reminds me of the dinasty that destroyed this country. Even leftists agree the Cross of Burgundy is a better flag.

>>132343740
Do you Portubros have any provinces which are like Catalonia?

Are the Catalanians going to stay in the European Union, or are they going to go out on their own?

>>132344050
Basques are actually different, Catalans are just jews with no history

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>>132349866
It's definitely the nicest.

I'd also like our cross back, the one in the middle in pic related, except in a rectangular flag.

>>132349904
No, Portugal has always been a unitary country. If anything Spain has Galicia which is like Portugal, in the sense that we come from there and speak the same language and have similar costumes.

>>132349376
>Kingdom of Catalonia. Has a nice sound to it.

Republic of Catalonia sounds even better you monarchist cuck.

Look Poortugal CATALANS, IT is a shithole, do you want that?

We've been through this before. Nothing is going to happen, as always.

>>132343292
Fuck no, stop with the Balearics are catalan meme ya fooken coonts

>>132350091
Don't you have a minority language in the North? Also, I've got Iberian Celt heritage, so I'm in support of you guys.

>>132350091

What about Olivenca.

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>>132340323
>All these niggers claiming Catalonia is the best region when Asturias exists
PUXA ASTURIES
ASTURIES PATRIA QUERIDA
EVERY OTHER YUROPEEN COUNTRY, GAS YOURSELF

>>132340323
It's funny because this can't end well, you're both gonna be even poorer than you already are.
Also, aren't Catalonians commies? Who do I support, /pol/?

>>132349766
I for one, welcome our spanish over lords.

>>132348132
>Giving parts of CA
Fuck off, you keep them

>>132350201
Mirandese which is at the border of León/ Southern Asturias.

>>132345271
Fuck off, Ibiza is righteous byzantine land

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>132350201
>Also, I've got Iberian Celt heritage
i don´t get the meme, you are anglo saxon man

>>132350388
Northern Welsh heritage.

>>132350221
Olivença is Portuguese under Spanish ocupation. They signed a treaty saying they'd give it back, but never relinquished it. Both countries claim it, but it's mostly a dormant issue. Locals claim both nationalities, and nobody can be bothered to alter the status quo.

>>132350201
Miranda do Douro has it's own language, Mirandese (from Leonese, similar to Asturian). It's a minority language, but their culture isn't any more different from the rest of the country than any other region. They just have their own language which sounds similar to Portuguese with some more archaic/celtic words (they still have a Portuguese accent, as opposed to Astur-Leonese which has a more castilian one, since they all speak Portuguese as well).

>>132350029
want in but will get out

>>132350149
>republic over monarchy
AAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAH AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132350271
Support the carlists
>>132350091
Alfonso's flag is the nicest in my opinion.

>>132350388
Southern Welsh are Brythonic, Northern Welsh migrated from Iberia during the Iron age.

>>132349035
>Scotland will probably have a new referendum and win
>Northern ireland will probably want to be annexed by ireland so they can go back to the EU
Ayyy

>>132350449
>Alfonso
>Al Fonso
Is that arabic for "The Fonz"?

And yeah, it's definitely the nicer one of the three.

>>132349766
I agree to this

>>132344228
According to Spanish constitution yes?

It wasn't legal for Afonso Henriques to make his own country but he did it anyways.

Anyways if your country burns its only good for us so go ahead and fuck each other up.
>Viva la revolution<

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>>132350439
But you don't have anyone to claim the throne of Catalonia. All your separatist movements are republican.

>>132350627
the king of spain is the rightful heir to the duchy of barcelona

Spain needs to embrace federalism and decentralization, we need to see more governing models, more different models of taxation, less inter-regional responsibilities, and that way Spain (or at least the parts that didn't vote commies) would become great.

I'm a Manchego btw.

>>132350513
Nope. Alfonso comes from Germanic (Adelfuns).

You claim to be redpilled and don't even know what's a Constitution.

Catalonians vote YES to the Spanish Constitution 40 years ago and it clearly says that Spain can't be tear apart.

As long as there is not a change in the Constitution it will be impossible.

>>132350739
i didn't vote

>>132350697
This. Kinda like a Spanish US.

>>132350735
I know. We just spell it "Afonso" without the L

>>132350739
There can always be a civil war, like last time.

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>>132350850
a man can dream :^D

>>132350772
but you parents did it

DO IT.
JOIN THE INDEPENDENT CLUB

>>132350772
Nobody cares. Pay debt.

>>132350948
so?

>>132340323
Oh look, Catalonia trying to be relevant again

>>132343069
wtf is jonah hill doin in spain

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>>132350156
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>>132350174

Typical spanish Bastards. I studied Spanish literature just to have culture and There was a Catalan poet that tried explaining the catalan cause a few centuries ago. This Catalan poet exchanged letters witha VERY important Spanish poet, and the spanish poet told him:
"The Spanish folk are barbarians, I'm sorry you have to reason with them."
You lot are the incarnation of these barbarians. What a fucking joke. So Catalonia has been trying to gain more autonomy "Inside" Spain these past 14 years right, with that so called vote for the "Statuto" or someting that was a mini constitution. It was granted by the government as legal asa preface, when the votes passed, they said it was not constitutional. Therefore, I ask you barbarians, if when the Spanish governemnt grants something and later on, discards it as nothing, what value does the spanissh governemnt hold over a region that does not believe in them? I'll tell you: None.
You Spaniards are retarded. Really retarded. You will loose the Bavaria of Spain because of how retarded you are to them. You will cry and cry of how "shitty" catalonia is, but the real truth, is that if they want to leave, is because, what they are leaving, is even worse.

Even Hitler Hated what spain was going to become (what it is nowadays) because of Franco. In his last political statement, he said he " I shall never forgive Franco for not having reconciled the Spaniards once the civil war was over"

Spain is broken and has been broken because of your shit leaders instead of creating a very strong nation that loves eachother, the government gains votes by hating on the "Bascos" and the "Catalans". Hitler saw that, you can read this here:
https://archive.org/stream/TheTestamentOfAdolfHitler/TOAH_djvu.txt

So fuck you spanish people. The Crown of Aragon was the best thing that happend to all of you. If it were not for Pelayo you all would be shitskins and jewish. And you vangloriate yourselves in pride.

Yugoslavia v2.0?

>>132350850
The Civil War didn't have anything to do with Catalonia, you faggot.

>>132350772
Yeah, you fucking subhuman communist, you know why it is hard to change a Constitution? To protect a country from ambitious pedophile jew dictators. If you don't like Spain leave. But if you try to tear my country apart, I'll take the first flight back home and there will be rivers of communist blood all over Spain. You better not play with us, sub human communist.

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Friendly reminder that I will be going as volunteer and only asking for food once the next civil war starts. I'll personally try to kill as many independentist traitors and marxists as possible.

Volverán banderas victoriosas al paso alegre de la paz, y traerán prendidas cinco rosas, las flechas de mi haz. España grande, España libre, España una.

>>132350513
Nope, it comes from germanic "adelfuns", probably adapted by iberian visigoths.

>>132350697
Well, that's your liberal opinion. Spain is a sucessful state in terms of welfare, life quality and social cohesion(with the different cultures and alternative nationalities, this is a hard thing to archieve without centralization)
Ofc economy would be better, but it is that what we really need? Look US/UK/every contry where there are no more people but cucked consumers.

>>132351344
I know, I was just making reference to it.

>>132351344
oh sweetie, but it's you who left

>>132351343
Muzzies aren't involved.

>>132343716
No m8

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>>132340323
Hahaha i cant wait for it to crash and burn.

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>>132345743
Nah, Spain is doomed that's why I moved away...even potato land is better. No one will fight, anything different than podemos is fascist and no one in Spain wants to be called like that. Even Vox has commie like postures and are called fachas by the rest. I cry for my home land

>>132351604
Where you at, my man?

>>132351344
>he actually moved from Spain to Japan
Jesus christ you must be some turbo fucking faggot if you prefer soulless japs over Spanish women

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>>132343502
>commies meme
by the way, for some reason they call us polish as an insult

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>>132348650
El puto de Rajoy hará nada como siempre el pedazo de subnormal se quejara y para calmar la Peña bajará el IRPF 0,0001%. Porque muh recuperación

>>132351749
>he fell for the spanish women meme
Look at this idiot and laugh.

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>>132351604
get rekt you will never be a postcollapse warlord

>>132351832
>participacio
>75%
JFMSU

>>132351911
They're probably not on the level of our beastly slags.

>>132351990
They're ultimate whores. Are your women ultimate whores?

>>132351832
>CiU are not commies

Highest regional taxes in Spain...

>>132340323
>Catalonia
Are they going to be chased by Dogalonia?

>>132351310
Continued.
Now before you all Spanish cuckchanners start spewing venom over this, remember that you were guided into hating Catalonia and calling it cattle when in fact, it was the fucking motor of Spain throught most history. The North of Spain (from Asturias to Basque Country) and Catalonia are basically the most important regions of Spain, historically and nowadays Economically.
You all have been guided to hate Catalans. Stop being fucking Cucks. DO you remember what Primo de Rivera said?
Primo de Rivera was going to be the president of Spain and he wanted to change the way Spanish people treated catalans so the catalans felt they were a part of Spain, and not a fucking Annexation by a superior military force. REad his fucking speaches you fucking Spanish bastards.

Now, this comes from an american. You Stupid spanish bastardos will have to put the tanks in barcelona to avoid them becoming independent because you all fucking suck. The best thing you lot know how to do is party and steal girls from other men, because you all are cucked. The only wonder of the world Spain has is the Alhambra. A FUCKING ARAB CONSTRUCTION. You all fucking suck because instead of actually constructing a bond between eachother you hate on one another. ANd yes, it wins votes to hate on fucking catalonia. Just look at that fat cow from the south of Spain, Sussana Diaz. SHe hates on catalans to win votes. Bravo Spain. Bra-fucking-o.

Now you fucking pathetic lot say, "The vote will not be relevant, because of "muh laws", in Spain. You all are irrelevavnt, because you are always pointing fingers at eachother. From America you all look like fucking clowns, toddlers. Animals have better governemnt than you fucking bastards. So, when "Catalonia" is being told "This is not Constitutional", what do they care?
If a 100% of the catalans wanted to become Independent, it still would be unconstiutional in Spain. So even in the most extreme case that every person in catalonia voted

>>132343069
What's with his eyes? It looks like someone sew two faces together!

>>132350084
Is it true Catalans have Jew blood?

>>132352089
They're whores, I would've give 'em the time of day to call 'em "ultimate". The only thing they're "ultimate" at is collecting welfare checks.

>>132351344
leave Japan. we have no room for spic immigrants like you.

>>132352322
The Japs are bringing bants.

>>132352322
deport that larper so we can kill him in the upcoming civil war

>>132352114
What's wrong with you my dude?

>>132352422
Japs always bring the bants

>>132352322
This, do it based samurai. Spaniards in Japan are ultimately disgusting weaboos.

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Spain is theoretically well as it is. Socialist, respecting other nationalities under their CCAA arrangement BUT unified. Things to improve are to dismantle corruption/nepotism by establishing a transparency principle, to fucking burn every far-right/left so there isn't another stupid civil war and dictatorship, and getting portugueses to join us in a iberian confederation so we are stronger facing the eurasian rise. The historical accords done with anglos and frenchies are the reason of our downfall. Fuck those who want to see this land of conquerors and beautiful people destroyed.

>>132352114
Who the fucking cares about what you have to say. It's more likely a race war in America than an independence of Catalonia.

So just tell me, you fucking jew, in 30 years, when 100% of californians are Mexicans and their native language is Spanish, will you guys let them?

The law is the law. And I'll defend the Constitution that protects my country from communists and jews like you.

You should do the same and start fighting for America instead of fighting for Israel.

>>132340323
Didn't Catalonia already have a vote last year and voted to stay because their economy would implode and the EU wouldn't let them in to leech off the gibs? I know that happened with Scotland but I'm pretty sure the same reason applied to Catalonia.

>>132352114
>it was the fucking motor of Spain throught most history
the history of Spain began before American independence, you moron.

Andalusia and Galiza were the principal ports that brought Spain's colonies' gold into the country which is what allowed Catalan industry to grow a couple of centuries later.

>>132351373
>Spain is a sucessful state in terms of welfare

If by successful you mean unemployment ridden shithole, then by all means. It might be getting a bit better but over 70% of Spaniards support a derogation of the labor reform that has improved things, so it's a matter of time before we have over 20% unemployment easily.

Our pensions are based on a lie, there's no future, only more and more taxes to try to get old people to vote for them so they don't lose their pension.

When the bubble of state debt bursts we're going to see the true face of our economy, and it is a disaster.

>this is a hard thing to archieve without centralization

Cohesion is not based on centralization, it's based on economic success, when the economic situation goes wrong, everyone wants to leave, when it goes right, most people want to stay.

>Look US/UK/every contry where there are no more people but cucked consumers

US and UK used to be fantastic countries until they begun centralizing.

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>Independence from Spain
>Dependence on the EU

>>132352629
we have one every year
we like voting :^3

>>132352422
I'll rape your mother and use your blood as lubricant, you subhuman communist.

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>>132351310
Continued.
Even if 100% of the catalans voted, it still would be non constitutional. Therefore, why do catalans care about a COnstitution that has NEVER include the identety of them?

PRO TIP KEKS: THEY WILL NEVER CARE.

SO either Spain fucking starts including them and the identety, albeit 65%spanish, in the constitution, or the spanish constitution, is fucking Obsolete.
You created aspanish constitution that was obsolete in less than 50 years. Bravo spaniards. Bravo.

And as fucking /pol/ should know, laws are violence. Ask anyone in Yugoslavia what laws are, they'll tell you, laws are what the people with guns want them to be. And that is the only way Spain can "force" catalonia to stay. By applying force. If they do that, of course, you will show that the constitution was a farce to mantain the SPanish privilege as Hitler stated in his testament over the ones that lost the civil war.

You all had the chance to fix what Franco broke and create a very strong and unified Spain. But if the spanish /pol/ is fucking cucked, I can't imagine what the fucking spanish government worker must be like.
Why do you hate among brothers? You all are led like flocks of fucking sheep.


You fucking spanish loq IQ volk. Why can't you fucking destroy your shit government and start doing what you did right 5 centuries ago? The Aragon Crown and Castillian Crown, that was beauty.
What you have now, is a fucking FRENCH king that steals from all of you. And you all point figers to Catalonia.
Well, from America all I can say is, good luck catalonia. I hope you will fucking get rid of the Spanish Siesta-cucks that keep you down.

Now start spewing venom you fucking retarded Spaniards. Treat me like your typical Catalan puta. That's all you lot do, go buy some putas in las ramblas, and then say, "MUH CATALONIA IS NOT IN CONSTITUTION". FUcking SIesta constitution, nobody cares about it you fucking loosers.
Siesta-cucks, thats what you all are. Hitler was right again.

>>132352752
i'm not a communist and now stop speaking about spain as if it was your country, you left

>>132352184
Probably, jewish behaviour for sure

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>>132352629
They had one 3 years ago but most people didn't even bother going to vote.

Is it just me or everything's coming together to make 2017 a shit show ?

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA SPAIN IS A FAILED STATE! HAHAHAHAHA GET FUCKED PROTO-MEXICANS! HAHAHAHAH

>>132351310
Catalan independence is a very recent phenomenon with little to no historical backing.

The only instances where Catalans would be considered "independent" would be:
a) during the Civil war literally a couple weeks before they all got anally raped by Nationalist badassing.
b) Aragon, a kingdom which is NOT catalan, and to which "Catalonia" was a county of. Yes a rich and influencial one, but still. The Kingdom of Aragon. (Aragonese is also one of the most based and nationalist regions of Spain, which doesnt make sense).

Catalans are trying to spread their cancer but ended with less than 1% of the vote in Valencia area, and the balear islands could not give a single fuck.

The new age of Catalonian independence was initiated by a (((gentleman))) named Jordi Puyol. At the time and until recently he was praised as the God Emperor of Catalonia. Truth is he is a thief like all Catalans. EVERY single construction or project in Catalonia, would have 3-5% of the cost go directly to his family cartel thing he set up.

Eventually somewhere in the 80s, Spanish govt. started investigated "where the fuck is the money going", so he passed the "Estatut", with the support of the sell-out cuck liberals to get to power, granting Catalonia "special status".

From this moment on the diverged the Catalan education system into a "historically corrected" version. Which is where 30-40 years later we have people so blindly indoctrinated to believe they are special (from a region where close to 50% of the population is non-Catalan).

Unlike the rest of Spain, they were not taught about how Spain found America and made it its bitch. No, they learned how awful Spain was (keep in mind Columbus was financed and backed mostly by Aragonese/Catalans), and their atrocities which we super-cool PC catalans had nothing to do with. Basically a we-wuz-kangz edition of Spain.

>>132353194
Catalans and their slogan of "Espanya ens roba" is a myth. Thinking themselves to be the economic powerhouse of Spain. Truth is only the city of Madrid, not the region, creates three times the GDP of entire Catalonia to begin with.

Secondly, Catalans claiming that they are being used as a piggy bank for Spain, lie. On average every tax-paying Spaniard has to pay nearly 1000 € a year to support these goys and their cultural bubble, along with false economic stability (all being subsidized by Spain).

Worst part is that this money Spaniards put into these god-forgetten rats, well what is it used for?
Recently I found myself taking part in a trip with some friends to Barcelona, where we took the "official" (Catalan indoctrination approved) tour. 2 hours of tour. 15 mins at the beginning selling us the independence story, at this point I was interested because I had never heard of this bullshit that this lib-tard whore was saying (keep in mind I engaged in sceptic mode the second she told us about the "Refugees welcome" banner on the town hall and how they are Europeans who are open and went to help). So I did my own research. Back to the story. EVERY single site we visited had a story about how bad Spain was, taking for example the jail. She told us about how the Spanish tortured and violated the rights of Jews and Muslims in these rooms. etc.

Spanish tax-payer money goes so that they can spread their propaganda, and live in their "European city" (which in 1992 was completely remodelled using exclusively Spanish tax-payer money to look nice). Now these sons of whores go around boasting about this artificially beautiful city as if they built it themselves and Spain is taking advantage of them.

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>>132352322
Well at least you guys have preserved your national identity and the racial homogeneity is your strength. I envy you. The Jew fears the samurai

>>132353194
Burger btfo

>>132351832
>Junts pel Si
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrVuDGOt1M

>>132349766
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Spain called something like the empire where the sun never sets or something like that?
I have a bong at work who says this about the British empire all the time, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that this is what they used to call Spain. Which also makes sense considering that Spain conquered it all much earlier and the bongs came later with their privateers and other sneaky (((tricks)))

>>132352572
Oh, Nippon cuck, your fucking flag reminds me of your ass. after your faggotry. What will Japan be in 100 years? Basically China because you cannot fucking breed anything.

Now, on topic. The law is the law? You are a fucking cuck. So, the Law in Hitlers time was VERY AGAINST NATIIONAL GERMANS. IF it was not for HItler, Aryans would be a slave race AT BEST today. But did hitler go and Say, MUH LAW IS THE MUH LAW? No. FUCK OF with that shit rethoric.

The laws in America NOWADAYS are FUcking bullshit. They skip the constitution. Now instead of going The laws in America are Zionized and we all know that we go protecet "ZIon". Up to the Spine all the laws are fucking shit in America.

Educate yourself in terms of Catalonia and rea what primmo de rivera had to say. He wpuld of been the perfect leader, but he died and the cuck dictator (called by hitler) rose to power. Instea of unifying Spain he created divisions and divisions, making a few reach, basically hte church and friends, and the rest poor. Even Asturians, the saviors of Spain, were fucking disregarded.
So fuck of, the law is what the elites use as fucking toilet paper to keep you in fucking line. You are calling me a jew for not beeing a sheep and trying to educate you fucking cuck channer. Great. bravo.

Read what hitler says: https://archive.org/stream/TheTestamentOfAdolfHitler/TOAH_djvu.txt

google: SOBRE CATALUÑA Primo Rivera.

You siesta nigger. Spain as it is sucks.

Good luck catalonia.

>>132340323
How will European Union function then? Do they get membership if they win automatically?

>>132353194
>Columbus was financed and backed mostly by Aragonese/Catalans
Who is Isabel?

>>132353437
Yup, Spain was the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_empire_on_which_the_sun_never_sets

>>132353437
Yes, we used that expression first, they copied it.

>>132352861

We may have bad government, but you don't even have one. You call us bastards? YOU are the bastard, breed from all kinds of scums that wants to mimic every european action and to be relevant in this world with your bald eagle, your satellite surveillance, your globalization and global subversion with the help of the WORST of the businessmen. Americans are the ones who looks like clowns to the rest of the world, not us. Just look at pathetic drumpf, your derisory media, your malicious institutions.
You don't have fucking idea about this country or even your own country. You are a bunch of scapegoat ignorant cucked people, and when you start being useless to the elites (soon) you will see the anglosphere fall apart, exposing the enormous debt and lies that you believed while you thought america is the leader of the world. And I will be laughing.This what I say is not venom, is the objective truth. Your "country" is a continent ruled by enterprises, turned on a massive useful experiment, where a bunch of fedora brainwashed faggots like you "exist". Now gtfo this tread, tragagrasas envidioso sin cultura ni valores.

What's Catelonia's plan if they do withdraw? Do they really think they can survive piggybacking off Barcelona's economy?

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>>132353659
Burgers on literal life support, holy shit lmao.

>>132352184
The Jews of Spain were mostly in:
Andalucia and Regions of Madrid. Thats wher ethe synagogues are. But spanish people are to fucking stupid to even know they're own history. Asturians tried to kick them out.

>>132353194
The Crown of Aragon at that time was half Occitane- Thats where catalan comes from. Read my other posts, it's all fucking bullshit what you are postiong. Hitler and Primo de Rivera do not agree with you. Educate yourself you siesta shit.

>>132353900
Lmfao, shut the fuck up, you stupid cunt. Cataluña 1930 != Cataluña 2017
Please go suck a buffalo's dick and get the fuck out.

>>132353900
>Hitler and Primo de Rivera don't agree with yuo!
And why the fuck should I care about what these two (one of them isn't even Spanish) thought, even more so, how the fuck are they relevant to actual politics and plot twists?
Don't you know Columbus was ALSO Catalonian? Cristobà Coloc who discovered Americ, in honor of Americ Vespuigdemont (also Catalonian)

>>132340947
This.
Catalonia is just to keep people blaming everything on them instead of focusing on our useless government.

>>132352546
>Spain is theoretically well as it is. Socialist,
do you want to be another south american shithole m8?

>>132343490
>Portugal
I wish shit skins didn't have the right to vote.

>>132352322
Implying you ain't another weebo faggot you 英会話gaylord

mum n dad

>>132340323
Catalonia; I'm independent now
>spain sends military
Catalonia: I hate you dad

>>132353900
>The Jews of Spain were mostly in:
Andalucia and Regions of Madrid.
>There are currently around 50,000 Spanish Jews, with the largest communities in Barcelona and Madrid each with around 3,500 members. There are smaller communities in Alicante, Málaga, Tenerife, Granada, Valencia, Benidorm, Cadiz, Murcia and many more.
>Barcelona, with a Jewish community of 3,500, has the largest concentration of Jews in Spain.
And ther most important of all:
>Moreover, Reform and liberal communities have arisen in cities like Barcelona or Oviedo during the last decade.
----
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hU0Xkm7noY
José Antonio about Catalonia
>>132354438
Slovenian doesn't understand humour from my countryman

>>132353900
Also, Asturians ARE Spanish, in fact, all Spanish people descend from Asturians (and Basques, most common surname is Garcia, which is Basque) who reconquered the territory and then repopulated it, also do you even know what Pureza de Sangre is? You know what the expulsion of the Moriscos is? Do you know what the Reconquista is?
""Spanish people"" didn't fucking appear from nowhere, they descend from the people who reconquered the territories.

>>132354196
>Sp*niard
>Any good sailing
Cristóvão Colombo was Portuguese and so was Américo Vespuges

>>132354643
Columbus was from Genoa.

>>132354643

>Cristóvão Colombo was Portuguese
Fuck you. They also that he was Catalan.
Stop being a WE WUZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_theories_of_Christopher_Columbus

Were Catalonia to actually secede, how would the Spanish government realistically react?

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>>132354643
Wow...i always thought they were italians...did you also get infected by the identity crisis portubros?i mean you don't need to we wuz with sailors you already have enough good ones to embarrass yourself we wuzzing

>>132354848
>>132354829
>>132354908
>being this new
fucking Summerfags, I swear.

Not happening.

>>132354590
Sorry but ironic shitposting isn't humor. It might be a nice way to get some (you)s but other than that it just points a shit colored light on your country.

>>132354890
>Were Catalonia to actually secede, how would the Spanish government realistically react?
with tanks


but only jews want that

>>132352712
In the moment (unlikely to imposible) they get the independence, they are out of Europe, and with Spain having vet on decissions, they wont be part of EU never

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Revolutionary Catalonia when?

>>132353659
He's right you know.

>>132354890
U should fear it, because they want Rosellon back also.

>>132344270
THIS
I actually could comprehend a Basque nation but the cucktalans are these leftist that believe they are Superior but then they support immigration of rapefugees so if you support multiculturalism with them why not with us?

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>>132353659
No, do you know who calls you bastards?
Your own poets call you bastardos. Because you only destroy and steal and siesta, you cannot create from anew.

THink about it, your own poets think that you are barbarians. Incredible.

You know why, because you would go fight in catalonia against the catalans in a heart beat, following what your fucking joke of a government says.
And by the way, I'm an asturian living in america. Your argument was only, "Drumpf".
Good job BAstardo. Showing your mental power once again. You are an equivalent of your constitution, irrelevant.

>>132353236
CHeck balanzas fiscales and Inversion autonomica 20 años. Your argument falls apart there. You cannot lie man. Fucking spanish people, all you do is point fingers and not realize that if Catalonia doesn't want you, is because, you probably fuckign suck more than them.

If a fucking chick doesn't want you, it is not because she sucks, it's because you are a fucking loser who is on cuckchan masturbaiting to hentai porn instead of lifting and following the Spartan order and becoming the virtuvian man. Can't you all fucking realize that? Catalonia is full of cucks too, but you all can't fucking point fingers at them for wanting to get rid of the shit governemnt you lot have. I applaud them for having "cojones" and actually going for the bluff it started out as. You all should be mad at your fucking Government, but you can't introsepect in what went wrong. Instead you blame "muh catalans".
If the chick leaves you, it's because you couoldn't provide.
And if Catalonia is so bad, why do you all even want it? It must not be as bad as you spanish siesta fuckers portray it to be.
You all are like the fucking fat kid that lost his girlfriend and you go to mommy (government) to ask for explanations. The mommy says. oh, she is not constitutional enough for you. You deserve better.
But you are:
-Uneducated
-fat
-can't provide.
-watches porn.
You believe it's Catalonias fault, it's yours.

>>132354643
>trying to steal Cristopher Columbus and Ameriggo Vespuci when the Portuguese already have Nicolau Tésla
smdh

Via a law written by anti-capitalist commies. How progressive.

>>132354196
Why should you care? Are you retarded?
It's the precednet of what is happening today.
Famous Franco's words were: "Lo dejo todo atado y bien atado".
Everything is tied, and well tied. Meaning that his inheretence, politically is what we have today. Primo de Rivera was the other Option if not killed.
Hitler wanted strong regions with strong identety. What Franco did was the inverse, he destroyed identedies into a thousand pieces to create a strong one, however, he did not erradiate the others, tehrefore the others are waiting for their chance to strike back in quietness.
>>132354624
Yes. Don't worry. My family was involved in keeping spanish pure you fucking nigger.

>>132340323
Franco, purge them

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>>132356349
>Franco
pleb tier
>José Antonio Primo de Rivera
God tier

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>>132356453
Looks like the Portuguese Mozambique coat os arms.

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>>132352689
No, you fucking nigger.
What allowed CAtalonia to grow was that the king of spain, at the time, in a well covivance, with the catalan crown, decided that Sevilla could not have the Monopoly of all the gold that came into spain and decentralized it.
And at that time were all the jews lived in spain was in Sevilla and in Cordoba. He decided to decentralize it, and what happend is that the port of Barcelona became the most important port. THis is what allowed Barcelona to flourish. It was the changing of the monopoly, because (((SEVILLA))) was monopolizing everything. And the rest of spain wasa eating breadcrumbs. THIS is what allowed not only Barcelona, but Valencia and the North of Spain to become developed. A good king, not what they have today.

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>>132356230
Again, please tell me how what Hitler or Primo de Rivera thought influences modern politics and how they exactly influenced the CORRUPT Estatut.
>Yes. Don't worry. My family was involved in keeping spanish pure you fucking nigger.
>Flag
You fucking burger LARPer, your family didn't do any fucking shit. Let me guess, you are 1/256 Asturian?

>>132356638
You're just confirming that Catalunha was not the historic money maker if someone had to intervene to give it a consolation prize.

>>132354643
Cristóbal Colón was Alpharius

>>132356620
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoke_and_arrows

>>132356777
>Alpharius
No he was Atlantian.

Fuckin seperatists everywhere atleast they are not terrorists like basques right ?

>>132356781
Kek, that's why we gave it to Mozambique

Crush commies

>>132344240
esa femiputa no puede reconciliar el haber dado con la pared, su anti tradicionalismo, y el querer tener niños como haría cualquier mujer sensata
triste!

>>132347517
>>132347389
They've been pretending that Valencia, Baleares and Aragón share their commie delusions for a while now. The truth is I've seldom met someone as anti-independentism as an Aragonese.

>>132356729

You do Realize that the fucking

You siesta cuck, you do realize that is a debt, which means what you owe to the state right? You do realize if Spain takes away more than what you are given, then they are basically taking away production from you and you are a slave, right?
You do realize that you have to pay debt with what you produce, which is given to spain, right?
You do realize why you are a spanish bastard that probably mixed with either jews and arabs and thatsa why your rhethoric is so pathetic, right?

Seriously, Catalonia is Spain, because they share around 65-70%. But you fuckers are fucking everything up. Pelayo would be sad of you all. You are so fucking stupid. The graph you showed just reinforces the catalan argument of "Spain steals".

What's the benefit of tiny countries wanting independence? Surely they'd be better off staying part of a bigger nation?

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ggs.

>>132359450
Read Alesina, the optimal size of nations. Smaller is usually better if country is educated becaause it's easier to govern. 400 yeras ago it was different.

I don't give a shit about spain, I'm a muslim and soon al-andalus will return inshallah

>>132359291

It is called redistribution of income. The idea is that wealthy/industrialized over the average autonomous communities must help the poorer ones to develop. If you are a progressive catalonian and don't want this u're just an hypocrit liar.

>>132359450
This above. They claim to be supporters of communist-like system, they say they embrace immigration, equality etc etc. But at the moment of truth, their government is playing the victim, only wanting the money and industry for themselves.

I fucking wish.
I hope those kikes get out soon

>>132356733
(((David)))? Are you stupid? Once free market rules applied, the fucking money maker became Catalonia. Seriously, your mental gymnastics amaze me. Stupid cuckchanners. I was partially agreeing with you, but the principle is that free market rules have to be protected. nigger.

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>>132340323
The Popular Party (PP) allows the referendum. The independence of Catalonia gives votes to the Popular Party.
The independence of Catalonia is the new ETA for the popular party. The PP always needs an enemy to legitimize its power

>>132359291
anon our spanish overlords treat us quite well, we've got plenty of representation nation-wide from the spanish public TV to the Cortes. Indeed Catalonia has a good economy but we work better as a whole than independently, and the Spanish government is as corrupt as the catalan one, the 3% corruption scandals are worth millions and millions, we shouldn’t be looking for independence but to reform the country and to destroy the parasites

>>132359655
Only burgers think that

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>>132359655

Spain, the good Mexico