Why did we have to use this?

We ran out of the little ones.

To prove it works.
To show Japan America can build multiple
To begin the "war is too scary now" phase

Someone figured out time travel and suggested it because it was the only way for anime to happen.

>>132298294
The Jews couldn't wage a war to end all war with WWI, so they tried to wage a war to end all war with WWII.

Of course we're still at war because of the Jews.

>>132298294
It was estimated there would have been more deaths from a conventional war and it also cost us less to drop the bombs than to spend years more fighting. It also told Stalin to back the fuck off and allowed us to establish some control of Japan which gave us a naval foothold in the western Pacific.

>>132298825
Japan was already ready to surrender. Literally the Jews (e.g. Einstein) wanted to make a show of it to end war.

>>132298294
>Why did we have to use this?


More like why didn't we use it again

And again

And again

A stitch in time would have solved all of the modern world's problems

>>132298294
We do what we must, because we can®

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>>132298593
>Someone figured out time travel and suggested it because it was the only way for anime to happen.
Underrated

>>132298294
Seriously why?
Thanks to this, we all have to go to Hiroshima on a school trip and listen to their touchy stories then submit reports

>>132298294
To send a message.

>>132299796
Ever been to the cu chi tunnels in vietnam? That is a war memorial done right.

>>132298294
Is that a submarine for midgets?

>>132298294
Because it was hella balls to the walls fucking awesome

>>132299796
Japs are on par with niggers with their dindu nuffins.

>>132298294
Because we built it.

>>132298961
>Japan was already ready to surrender.
Literally nope

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>>132299796
How about you write about the righteousness of your determination, and the righteousness of the western reprisal

Both sides were right

Simultaneous validity is a possibility in a quantum mechanics world

It's just that the frontiers have closed and there's no more room to expand, and both sides have an equally valid desire for growth and prosperity based on the presently available models of economic survival

It's all so tiresome

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>>132298294
To open the hell portal that Jack Whiteside Parsons was working towards and bring the manikin inside Jumbo into existence.

>>132298294

Testing and sending a message to the commies.
It's morally inexcusable, but those were the main reasons.

>>132298294
to save thousands of American lives

To create anime.

>>132299338
This. We should have listened to Patton, and glassed the Commies before they had their own nukes.

>>132302379
Is it ok to kill the few to save the many?

>>132302577
In a war? Yes.

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>>132302577
Yes. I have a feeling you might need a third. Pic relatedto my reasoning.

>>132302577
Soldiers and Marines cost money. Jap civilians are free. So... Yeah. It was totally worth it.

>>132302577
In war, it's okay to kill every single person in an enemy country to save one of your own people.

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>>132302447
Anime was a mistake

>>132302787
Even innocent civilians?

>>132298294
>>132299796
we lost the race to Hitler's bunker to the Soviets which meant we lost that campaign to Stalin. This threatened the collective size of America's dick, so rather than wait two weeks for Japan to surrender we dropped the first bomb. Messages took time to relay back then and we dropped the second just to be impatient assholes. It was all done to paint us as the victors of the entire war and bury Stalin's victory in the western campaign by our awesome display of might. We had the Japs starved of oil and they were about to surrender after years of successful island hopping. To this day Russia doesn't get the credit it deserves for throwing bodies at the Nazis while we sat on our hands until the last minute to do something.

>>132302577
Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for you guys, but we did kinda need to do something.

>>132298294
If you dont know the answer to this you haven't read enough history. A better question would be 'did we have to use it twice'? At least that could begin a proper debate.

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If the Imperial Japanese never lost control, then anime wouldn't've been created. There is no way that they would've allowed something like that to exist. The nukes were well worth it.

>>132302577

Dropping two nukes on major cities was not necessary go get Japan to surrender.
Arguably none were necessary, but even one nuke on a less densely populated area would have been enough. Let's not pretend this didn't happen because the Americans were bored with detonating them in their deserts and wanted to see the effect on a city.

>>132303229
Someone had to make the anime and if you weren't going to do it willfully they had to make you.

Poopoo

Peepee

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>>132298294
USA decided the war was over and decided to hit the lights on the way out.

Not our fault the Japs wanted to party in the dark.

>>132303229
From a practical standpoint, if we were going to drop one, we might as well have dropped both in order to confirm both designs.

Too bad we'd already firebombed the good targets to hell and back and had to go back to the drawing board to figure out where we could drop these.

>>132303229
>one nuke on a less densely populated area would have been enough
There were three days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki - they didn't surrender in the meantime.

>>132303576
>implying we wouldn't have dropped Fat Man anyway
o-oh oops! solly!

>>132303576
wow seriously? fuck

>>132303229
And? Who was going to stop us? The League of Nations?

>>132303229
You would think that a Jap would be better educated on this subject. They didn't even surrender after the first A-bomb. Also, just be happy that we didn't blow up your whole island. You started this with Pearl Harbor. I'm sure that the Japanese would've been soooo merciful to us if you won the war. I leaned what you monsters did the China and The Philippines. Japan was on the side of evil in WW2.

>>132303722
We baited them in to Pearl Harbor, retard.

>>132303229
You know your people didn't, also have to torture our POWs the way they did. Aside from that, all of this is silly. No one on this board was alive back then, so it's not as if there's a need to be bitching about the acts of dead people.

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We didn't use it, it was a Jewish hoax. Nukes aren't real and the Cold War was staged.

>>132298294

Because the Jew said "activate it", and the Anglo, due to decades of bred domestication, said "Yes, master".

>>132298294
To send a message to Stalin.

>>132298961
>Japan was already ready to surrender
nice meme

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Because we had it.

Nips wouldn't stop chimping out

>>132298294
To stop Stalin steam rolling over Western Europe.

>>132303778
Let me guess, the oil embargo was an act of war?

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>>132303778
Go away anti-America cuck.

>h-hey world. I h-hate Am-merica t-too. W-we are e-evil. D-do you l-like m-m-me now?

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>>132299796
>Seriously why?

I dunno, why didn't you japs lay your weapons down and give up once you saw that the Americans were winning? You should have surrendered once the Nazis did.

but noooo you had to have your foolish pride,

Japan said it would fight to the last man, but guess what? We called you on your fucking bluff, and it wasn't pretty.

If anything Japan hasn't fucked with anyone since, and for that matter neither has Germany.
So you can thank us for the years of peace Japan and Germany have enjoyed.


You're welcome, assholes

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pic related. japs were nigger-tier brutal and we didn't need any other justification than that

>>132304015
No, we needed a first Pearl Harbor to get the US involved in Great War 2.0 to end all wars and replace the League of Nations with a new communist utopia, just like the New Pearl Harbor of 9/11.

So we lined up a bunch of old boats in Pearl Harbor, kindly ignored intelligence sent from Australia, classified that telegram from the UK about it, """somehow""" didn't tell anybody in Hawaii we knew they were headed over, parked the planes a circle because they're a bitch to have to pull out in reverse when you need to take off to fight the nips, and then BAM!

All of a sudden those bad goy xenophic Americans were ready to join WWII to stop evil Hitler because of the poor Jews! The Jewish media confirmed it!

>>132304084
It was the Jews you fag. They're not American.

>>132302867
Choke on it commieboo.

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>>132298961
>Japan was already ready to surrender. Literally the Jews...

...told you that garbage in college.

>>132304514
OOYYYYY VEEEEEYYYYYY!

>>132298294
Conventional invasion would have decimated the civilian population due to the regime sponsoring a death before surrender mindset, imperial Japan quite literally worshiped the emperor

But the real reason is Truman couldn't justify sending all those letters to American mothers and wife's who's men were killed in combat in Japan, the bombs offered a quick way to end the war with minimal American casualties, it also had the benefit of being a perfect live test of the weapon system while simultaneously telling Stalin to fuck off

From the American perspective dropping the bomb was quite literally a win-win-win

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>>132304309
hear
hear
Couldn't have put it better myself

To this fucking day many Chinese will have nothing to do with the japs because of their cruelty, rapist, and murderous ways during the war

The japs acted like fucking subhumans and got slapped down

they've been nice ever since.

>>132298961
ok so why didn't they lol

We did what we must because we could.

>>132304882
And the CIA cut a deal with them that the US would keep quiet about it in exchange for half the loot they got from China.

I had an older Chinese woman boss for a few years and the best part ever was when she'd lose her temper and start bitching out about the Japanese (she had gotten a degree from the University of Tokyo, which qualified her to speak from first hand knowledge) and how their language was just Chinese with shit pronunciation and all this other stuff.

It was a pile of lol, but a good learning experience in how to deal with having a woman as your boss.

>>132304882

Yeah, that's why millions of Chinese want to live here, but only a handful of Japanese reluctantly go to China for business.

>>132298294
Never opened a history book?

>>132298294
Well, we had another choice but it would have killed more people than the atom bombs. If the US invaded Japan millions of soldiers would have died, in fact, the US would have needed the help from the USSR (in this scenario, the USSR already conquered Manchuria and whole Korea), then Japan would be divided in North (for the communists) and South (for the capitalists). Soon after WW2, Japan would have its own war, pretty much like Korea.

>>132305109
They were in negotiations with the Soviets. The US didn't want to split Japan like with Germany.

>>132305213
My first time to learn what pieces of shit the japs were during the war was when I was 11

We would go get food at this takeout Chinese restaurant and one time I said "sayonnara" to the owner, an old man who had been a cop in China, he was in his 70's but looked to be in good physical shape

He took great offense and said that sayonnara was japanese and he gave me a lecture on what kind of horrible people the japs were during the war

>>132305246
Maybe as time has passed with the younger generations their outlook has changed but as far as I know any Chinaman who lived during the war or directly after hates your fucking guts, you fucking degenerates.

There are some places where, even in time of war, no one should ever go.

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>>132305596
It's war.

Faggots like you are trash for implying there's a sort of "good" or "honorable" way to wage war.

>>132304479
this is what is taught in college and is also documented by Oliver Stone.
ever wonder why "muh D-Day" meme is celebrated? It's because we didn't seal the deal there. On the other hand, we beat the Japanese with no help. We didn't need bombs. Bombs were a geopolitical move.

To end the war

>>132305802
The Japanese were doomed to lose when they were embargoed. They were dry on fuels and oil.

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>mfw decimate an entire country in the span of 3 days and then destroy generations with radiation

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>>132298294

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>>132305731
Yeah, well, that doesn't mean we have to go full fucking savage and torture, rape, and kill 6-10 million just for shit and giggles

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>>132298961
Einstein was very much against the bomb you dip.

>>132306435
Yes, thats why he wrote a letter begging for it to be made and to be used against le ebil gnatsees

>>132305802
>he actually takes Oliver Stone seriously

>>132306435
When Truman was still on the fence about it, Einstein got in direct contact to push for it.

>>132306607
he certainly got crucified by his own people by producing that Putin documentary.

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>>132298294
The weapon to end Japanese aggression had not been invented yet: Anime....

>>132306358
That shit is just going to happen when entire populations of people are sent to kill each other. Fuck it, at that point, everything goes. That's what it ends up being in wars.

I'm sure you've even read of the cases of US soldiers raping and shit in Afghanistan and Iraq.

>>132306435
One of the things he allegedly regretted when he was older was personally writing a letter to the President advocating using the bomb

>>132298294
rice niggers

Daily reminder that nagasaki and hiroshima were the cities with big christian population

>>132298294
Because we can? USAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSAUSA

>>132306743
Wolf Ladejinsky isn't credited as much as some others with the rebuilding, but you can see right away the influence of the evil satanic talmudic khazar jews by the name alone.

I never did take proper advantage of my old WWII-era CI contacts at the time because I didn't know what to think, but I think it's pretty clear that trauma based mind control via the bombs (which was the Jewish plan to end war in the first place) was used to create effectively a laboratory to experiment with recreating Japan in a potential version of the globalist world of the future.

Some of this is covered rather well in, "Tragedy and Hope" by Carroll Quigley. But I don't think anybody at the time was expecting based anime.

>>132298294
You didnt, you did it for the kikes.

>>132298294

Because those niggas were crazy, suiciding their planes into shit.

They wouldn't stop unless they were given absolute shock and awe.

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>>132307069

>>132301298
>>132303920
They were you fucking good goys
They had no oil, their entire war machine was literally fucking dead
You fucking monsters just felt likw incinerating a few hundred thousand civilians because "muh ebil fascists"

>>132307151
Fucking hell
Burgers: The Eternal Good Goy
America needs to be destroyed Hitler was right

>>132298294
They didn't mind being firebombed on the hour every hour so we dropped this instead to step up our game

>>132307270
i think there are 3 major facts;
>They needed a way to destroy completely japan without losing own forces
>to demostrate power
>the christianity in those cities (remember that the presidents of USA were masons)

>>132307151
the firebombs on dense civilian cities would have sufficed if that was it.

as many or more people were killed by the firebombs than nukes

>>132306435
Einstein and Szilard were the ones who wrote FDR to build the bomb, but Einstien never signed Szilard's later petition. And the ECAS never actively opposed the development either. He had objections about it, but was never against it, and for good reason

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>>132307728

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>Why did we have to use this?

So that my HS could have a cool logo.

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>>132298294
>Why did we have to use this?

>>132301298
>>132303920
It's half true. They were willing to surrender on the condition that the emperor didn't have to abdicate. We refused that condition and atom bombed them.

Then we ended up accepting the condition anyway. It was probably to send a message to the world

>>132307284
>>132307364
Funniest part is that they still keep the narrative going. It didn't used to be like that. It's like of like that post out of nowhere about Arlen Specter and his magic bullet JFK thing post the other day actually garnered a denier.

I think they're just coming apart and they have poor kids who don't know what they're doing running this.

>>132308074
The funniest part is you're a fucking retard and should shut up if you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, which you clearly don't.

>>132308139
>1 post by this ID

>>132307069
>Japanese
>Christian

you wot m8

>>132298961
That's why it took two nukes for them to surrender right?

Operation Downfall would have been way more bloody and cost way more lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Downfall#Estimated_casualties

>>132308764
Yes, yes!

>>132308764
For us to accept their surrender. They wanted the Emperor to stay, and we said fuck that. Dropped the nukes then let the Emperor stay anyway.

>>132298294

To make sure it worked properly in action, and get a good idea of kill figures and the effect on a major city.

>>132298294

Was determined a lower cost of life than invading mainland japan and fighting grannies with spears with guns?

>>132303920
>>132298294
We didn't have to do it. Japan was literally 5 seconds away from surrendering, with unconditional terms. They totally were, trust me if we'd of just waited 3 more seconds, the following outcome would of been 105X better than what actually happened. For real, Japanese ambassadors were gaping their assholes open, in the white house, on the floor in front of Truman himself with news cameras, and literally sucking at the wind in the direction of his dick on their knees, begging without any care for working in their own terms to the agreement. The scribes record it all happening quite clearly, quote "please Master please, give us japanese servants submission, we surrender baby love, please make us slaves."
The entire pacific front and how the Japanese behaved up until then was all a front preparing in advance for this destined magical moment. Just five more milliseconds, the Emperor himself hand in hand with ever general, admiral and governor of all of Japan, was planning to demand that every jap female bear an american child immediately. Those not able, were to be put to death. Every japanese man was to be a slave for 30 years along with the following generation.
Every historian knows this is 1159% true and it is an indisputable FACT-meme because it sounds nice for people to believe. Thus why people say it. It's not because of any motive or white guilt bullshit or anti-american jew style bullshit tactics. It's truth yo. It's truth.
Trust me.

>>132309248
All wars are (((banker))) wars.

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imagine how the guy who dropped the bombs in the plane felt? he literately killed thousands of people. I wonder if he has a comfy spot in HELL.

>>132309503
>implying you would feel like a real man in the enola
GAY

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>>132309503
>thousands

>>132298294
You didn't. You just wanted to test it on living beings before the war was over, and your country didn't consider the japanese humans.

>>132298294
>Why did we have to use this?

to see what happened and share oc with stalinchan

>>132309638
>This meme again
Yes, because operation downfall would have been a fun time for everybody involved.

Because we'd rather glass some slant eyed gooks than let stalin get his filthy cigar stained hands on more territory.

>>132298294

Just gonna throw out I think it's pointless to focus so much on the atomic bombing as it is the entire bombing campaign against Japan. We killed so many more Japs throw fire bombing and conventional bombing, and their air force and air defenses were so pathetic, we could have very well leveled the entire country if we wanted to.

I think it's more debatable that the practice of extensive, sustained bombing against Japan might have hardened them or made more peaceful resolutions less likely. The atomic bombing itself, I really don't know. Though for what it's worth, I think LeMay is a sociopath, and Paul Tibbets was either that or at the least someone who on some level had trouble grasping what he took part in. Look up what he said about nuking Afghanistan after 9/11.

Hell, next to none of the staff and crew of the bombings expressed genuine remorse over what they did, at best "I didn't really like doing it, and I hope we never have to do something like this again." If I were to take part in something like that, I'd dedicate the rest of my life to helping prevent nuclear proliferation or something.

>>132310047
>t. I love jews and I'm glad I have no foreskin

>>132310047
>i'd dedicate the rest of my life to helping prevent nuclear proliferation
That's not really something one man can make a difference in, anon. You'd be better off putting your efforts into some other charitable effort.
Also, i think the bombing of mainland japan did more good then harm, considering the japanese weren't that keen on a peaceful resolution that would have satisfied the allies, and it did a number on the japanese war effort.

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Gandhi wouldn't stop threatening us with his nukes so we decided to decimate his resources before he could get to nuclear missiles

>>132309750
Operation downfall and its estimated casualties are the real meme. The japanese were ready to surrender.
>inb4 le japanese didnt surrender

>>132310279

What are you talking about? I lean towards all kinds of bombings against Japan as being wrong. It was wrong to bomb and target their civilian populace to begin with, the atomic bombings were more debatable. And even if it was "justified", LeMay, the man heavily behind the bombings, was clearly a sociopath, and the sentiments of the crew of the bombers is a testament to how it was ultimately an inhuman act.

>>132298294
Jap army would shred G.Is

>>132310635
And (((who))) put the crewmen up to it?

>>132298294
Nuke the Gook!

Japan was going to bomb the US with the bubonic plague.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cherry_Blossoms_at_Night
Two bombs were not enough.

>>132310614
>the japanese were ready to surrender
Right, which is exactly why they told the US to fuck off when we delivered them the postdam declaration before we set them up the bombs.

>>132310385

>That's not really something one man can make a difference in, anon. You'd be better off putting your efforts into some other charitable effort.

That's why I said "or something." Next to none of the crew or staff made any kind of dedicated effort to charity or peacemaking.

>Also, i think the bombing of mainland japan did more good then harm, considering the japanese weren't that keen on a peaceful resolution that would have satisfied the allies, and it did a number on the japanese war effort.

Yeah, but look at what LeMay argued:

>We were going after military targets. No point in slaughtering civilians for the mere sake of slaughter. Of course there is a pretty thin veneer in Japan, but the veneer was there. It was their system of dispersal of industry. All you had to do was visit one of those targets after we’d roasted it, and see the ruins of a multitude of houses, with a drill press sticking up through the wreckage of every home. The entire population got into the act and worked to make those airplanes or munitions of war . . . men, women, children. We knew we were going to kill a lot of women and kids when we burned [a] town. Had to be done.

He seemed to see any contribution to the war effort on the part of civilians as a worthy target, even something as insignificant as a family making rivets in their basement. I'm sorry but wouldn't stuff like that be essentially useless if you destroyed the assembly and manufacturing centers?

>>132310750

I don't know if it was jews or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Got any links on that though?

>>132310963
Just look in to the Manhattan Project mate.

Nuke the Gook! Nuke the Gook!

>>132310916
>wouldn't stuff like that be essentially useless if you destroyed the assembly and manufacturing centers
"last ditch" small arms and ammunition were being manufactured mostly in Japanese homes. Destroying them had just as much of an effect on the Japanese war effort as going after the major manufacturing centers. All a Japanese soldier needed to fight effectively was a shitty arisaka, a couple clips of ammo, and some moldy rice.

>>132310785

>Japan was going to bomb the US with the bubonic plague.

A likely success I'm sure, given how successful all of their other attacks on the US mainland were.

>>132311123

But what about things that were actually relevant to overseas operations, like planes, ships, and other vehicles? Pretty sure any part they made would be next to useless without a proper assembly center.

>>132311123
Yeah kind of like Mao had the Chinese smelting slag in their back yards.

That totally was a danger. Unlike the Jewish betrayal of Chiang Kai-Shek.

>>132311224
We were already bombing things that were relevant to overseas operations. Might as well destroy their small arms while we're at it, seeing as it doesn't look like they're gonna surrender anyways.

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>>132311327
>gonna

>>132311224
We were also engaging in those kinds of operations well before the atomic bombings, and before the idea that Japan was unlikely to surrender and would fight to the death became truly apparent. The idea of them being "last ditch" equipment and arms likely wasn't even on the table when the bombings began.

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>>132311466
checked and good arugment

>>132305731
This. All the bleeding hearts in this thread, whining about the poor Chinese, don't seem to connect the corruption in our homeland with this same Chinese who have bribed and bought off our government.
If you are Japanese, and your social superior tells you to die for the emperor, what do you do but holler Banzai and charge right in if you are to retain self-respect?
Japs did nothing wrong. War is father of all.

>>132311414

Right, but the things being manufactured in people's homes were pretty much either:

A) Parts for vehicles and such that would be near-useless without proper assembly and manufacturing centers, IE, factories
B) Small arms and personal equipment that would be next to useless (outside of "last ditch" operations) if the capacity to create A was eliminated

And again, I doubt the idea of them being incredibly unlikely to surrender truly emerged until sometime after the bombings began. I think Okinawa, which didn't occur until April-June 1945, is what really affirmed this.

>>132311780

meant to be in response to >>132311327

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>>132306358
>s-s-6-2-10 GORRILLIONS?

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>>132311603
Y-you too....
>>132311780
>Next to useless if the capacity to create A was eliminated
A japanese soldier hiding in the grass can still kill an american with a shitty arisaka made from bombshell fragments, regardless of whether or not he was backed up by vehicles.
>The idea of them being unlikely to surrender not emerging till after the bombing began
Prior experience in the pacific theatre had demonstrated that the Japanese were both fanatically devoted to their emperor and incapable of surrender; The idea that we might have to incinerate the home islands because the japanese refused to surrender was nothing new.

>>132306358
>>132305596

Really hard to take seriously the idea of the Japs being so horrible compared to the Chinese when you look at the full scope of Chinese history, and of course now.

You could of course make the argument China would be much better off if not for Japan (IE, Japan greatly weakened the KMT, who did most of the fighting against them), but Mao, the deplorable state of China today didn't spring from that alone. Just look at the historic treatment of animals in China vs. Japan. Or foot binding. Or death by a thousand cuts. Etc.

>>132305802
>Oliver Stone.
please don't tell me you take that kike seriously.

Drop a Nuke on a Gook!

>>132298294
It is strange Hiroshima and Nagasaki recovered like they have never been hit with an A bomb. Many large cities in the USA will never recover from the nigger plague unleashed upon them.

>>132298294


Dick waving

>>132312064

>A japanese soldier hiding in the grass can still kill an american with a shitty arisaka made from bombshell fragments, regardless of whether or not he was backed up by vehicles.

The point is that if he lacked planes or boats to get him beyond Japan (which could only be completed if you had factories and ports), then he would only be a threat to Americans if they actually went to Japan. By war's end, their military and air force were crippled. I think we could have done that without mass-murdering civilians.

And hell, just look at how few airmen we lost in all of the bombings of Japan. The ratio of Japs dead to allied pilots lost is incredible. Their AA defenses were always pathetic.

>The idea that we might have to incinerate the home islands because the japanese refused to surrender was nothing new.

I didn't say that, but the full extent of it didn't sink in until months after the first bombings of Japan began. And like I said from the beginning, it's arguable that killing so many of their people hardened them more.

>>132311125
The odd of success is not particularly important. It's about what Japan was willing to do. Japan was already developing and using biological weapons on the Chinese. In other words considering what Japan did in the past, was doing currently and was hoping to do in the future, ending the war quickly was definitely justified, and it was far from overkill compared to the horrors they promised.

>>132309503

I met the pilots at an air show and got a picture with them as a kid in the 90s.

People were lining up to get their autographs. I doubt they felt remorse, if anything, they were likely proud.

>>132312537
>By war's end, their military and air force were crippled.

Meant to say "navy and air force", their general military was certainly still lethal, but posed minimal threat (outside of the home islands) to the US and the other allies coming from the Pacific.

>>132312562

Given how castrated their air force and navy were, how they were getting bogged down by the Soviets, I doubt it. They were on their last legs. The bubonic plague attack was clearly a last ditch effort, and even by September they only had a handful of planes completed.

because Jews don't have a conscience.

>>132309503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDaiQ9n5wEM

Ape mentality

>>132312870

This is what Paul Tibbets had to say about kneejerk calls to use nukes after 9/11: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/06/nuclear.japan

>ST: One last thing, when you hear people say, "Let's nuke 'em," "Let's nuke these people," what do you think?

>PT: Oh, I wouldn't hesitate if I had the choice. I'd wipe 'em out. You're gonna kill innocent people at the same time, but we've never fought a damn war anywhere in the world where they didn't kill innocent people. If the newspapers would just cut out the shit: "You've killed so many civilians." That's their tough luck for being there.

>one of the incredibly few people in history who is so singularly directly responsible for the deaths of so many people, literally piloted the vehicle that directly killed tens of thousands
>years later says he'd have no problem using nukes on tribal, backwater afghanistan, a place that only threatened us because of our retarded interventionism and insane immigration policies
>is either using this is a defense mechanism for something he can't truly grasp, or an immeasurable sociopath

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>>132313140
Always archive or screenshot https://archive.is/wu8P2

>>132298294
Reminder that Little Boy was a captured German bomb

>>132313140

fuck, meant to be in response to >>132312602

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2 weren't enough, desu senpai.

>>132312870
Let's put this another way: when you bomb people with the bubonic plague, you don't get to cry foul at what the enemy is doing to end the war.

>>132313140
>die by execution after watching family get raped
Vs
>be obliterated instantaneously

>>132313540

I draw a division between civilians and people like Shiro Ishii, but people (when discussing Japan's war crimes) seem to have a really difficult of time of this.

>>132313540
Reminder that Churchill was planning to carpet bomb Germany with cattle cakes infected with anthrax

>>132313140
>>132313235

yeah, that's what I figured. but they had to have someone with this mindset for the mission, sociopath or not.

keep in mind, the Japanese were also considered sub-human by most Americans at the time.

>>132313844
>instantaneously

That's a nice little romantization of what the bomb does.

It's not. You'll probably live another weak or two with radiation poisoning in agonizing pain vomiting blood, unless you're right the fuck under where the bomb drops.

>>132313844

That was about his attitudes towards using nukes decades later in a radically different situation, not what Japan was doing in the war and whether nukes were worse.

Also,

>thinking everyone in a nuclear blast is going to die instantaneously

Nukes doesn't exist. They're made up lies to deny God's existence.

>>132313968

Never heard of this, but Le May was also an avowed advocate of mass targeting civilians in Germany, and even using nukes. We'd have way more Dresdens if he got his way, and Berlin would have probably ended up like Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

>>132314017

I agree, but his attitude years later is incredibly disturbing. I've never seen such a callous response from other the other crew. It's either a defense mechanism of some kind or evidence of pure sociopathy.

And that too about how the Japanese were viewed- granted, it isn't entirely hard to understand given their behavior, but I find it hard to believe that didn't influence the willingness to kill civilians as much as we did.

>>132298294
>couple of nukes on a couple of Jap cities
>we get 4chan
it was a good deal

>>132314211
God christcucks are literally nigger tier

>>132312537
>They lacked the planes or boats to get them beyond japan
Considering they had submarines which could strike against the US? That's false
>It arguably hardened the japanese against surrender
It was literally impossible to make the japanese any less inclined to surrender.

>>132314212
It was called Operation Vegetarian, millions of the cakes were produced and planned to be used if the D-Day landings were unsuccessful. It was tested on a Scottish island and it was contaminated and deadly until the '70s when they dug up and destroyed all the topsoil. It's hard to imagine how terrible it would have been if it had been used. They also fully planned to use poison gas if the war turned. Meanwhile, even though Germany had much more potent and powerful nerve gases, they refused to use them even as their capital was overrun

>>132314415
You'll get yours soon, heathen.

>>132298294
Because you were led by bloodthirsty Jews.

>>132314442
>Considering they had submarines which could strike against the US? That's false

I didn't mention submarines because they were next to useless. They didn't have missiles, they only had cannons on them or the ability to launch planes. There were a few attempts to attack the mainland using subs throughout the war, but they were all abject failures. All they could ever do was something last-ditch like the bubonic plague attack, and even that was unlikely.

Oh, and I guess they could have deployed operatives, but the Germans tried this and failed as well.

>It was literally impossible to make the japanese any less inclined to surrender.

I don't know about that. I find it kind of hard to believe that butchering so many of their civilians didn't harden them somehow. And the idea they were highly unlikely to surrender didn't full materialize until Okinawa, just a few months before war's end.

>>132302864
>innocent
lul, we all deserve death

Because Americans are pansy ass weak cunts who always have to knock it up a few steps out of fear

Getting into a fist fight? Better grab an automatic weapon!
Getting into a gun fight? Better grab an atomic bomb!

Truly fucking pathetic

>>132298294
Well their god king would've fought till the last man, woman, and child. So unfortunately we had to show the Japanese people we would kill every last man, woman, and child. Worked didn't it?

>>132314447
>Operation Vegetarian

Yeah, this is honestly my first time hearing of this. That's even more monstrous than the last-ditch bubonic plague attack, or Japan's general use of plague and other biological warfare in China.

>Meanwhile, even though Germany had much more potent and powerful nerve gases, they refused to use them even as their capital was overrun

What about this though?

>>132315336
Should've contacted Russia and waited a few months. Let the UK take the ass whooping it deserved.

>>132315490
Germany developed nerve gas (tabun, sarin etc.) during the war, while the allies only had the old and comparatively ineffective gases (mustard gas, phosgene, chlorine). Hitler was so against the use of poison gas that he refused to use it even as a last resort.

>>132298294
The japs were animals, held their emperor at basically gunpoint. Something had to be done.

>>132315490

The fact that the cakes were actually made too, that this wasn't just a proposal. Truly amazing how WWII is portrayed, when the UK was willing to do to something that would have outdone almost any Axis atrocity.

>>132315841

Yeah but got any more info on this, like proof of Hitler's genuine unwillingness to use chemical and biological warfare? I know the Nazis never used it in theater, but I'd like to know.

>>132315841
>ineffective gases
Are you serious? Pretty sure we haven't gained an immunity to mustard, phosphine nor chlorine gas. It's as effective on the human body as it was a hundred years ago.

>>132316236
>comparatively

compared to nerve gas

>>132316236
No but all you need is a relatively cheap mask, and minor exposure isn't lethal. Sarin on the other hand is very lethal, even through skin contact.

>>132298593
Based.

>>132298294
Because before WW1 Japan tried to be superpower of the world and you had to stop their industry from growing and be dependent on USA.

>>132316085
Probably because it isn't as good as using air raids and artillery. Maybe not enough time or the denial of deployment of such weapons. There is also the use of chemical weapons brings harm to your already depleted soldiers and the retaliation of the same type of attack.Many reasons why they were not used at the end of the war.

>>132316306
>>132316330
I see what you're saying. But mustard gas can render a person affected out of combat for quite a while if exposed. Sarin is highly effective, but Hitler would risk his own personnel who had to fight in their theater or risk losing it. Sarin lasts quite a long time.

>>132315336
Your gov't approved it you nigger

>>132315336
WWII vets sure didn't mind kicking your ass and fucking your women during the pacific theater. Only reason you're still a country and not a jap shithole.

>>132309248
Usually when someone repeatedly says "trust me" they are completely full of shit.

The weak should fear the strong.

>>132314985
>plague attack was unlikely
cherry blossoms at night was literally ready to go when the americans dropped the bomb.
>the idea that they were unlikely to surrender didn't materialize until okinawa
Nigga what? We were always aware that we would have to fight the japs to the very end after our fist few land engagements with them.

>>132315336
>Aussies made wartime propaganda about American G.I's stealing Aussie women

KEKED

>>132298294
Because Japan wanted to give up on its own conditions and USA didn't want that. Also, to prevent the chance of Japan surrendering to USSR that was pushing forward from the north

>>132298294
The Japs were planning on using the bubonic plague weapons they made in the rape of Nanking using subs you could fly planes off.

It's suppressed but was on the History channel in the 90s.

Look up scorched Earth real meaning and you will see we easily could have won Vietnam and Korea but the Jews sabotaged us to distract from Israel power grabs.

Americans are pissed now reading even NYT comment threads and are sick of the Jew and corruption.

They are living on borrowed time.

>>132298294
Because otherwise Hitler would have wiped all the Jews, niggers, spics, cripples, and gays off the face of the planet

>>132321175
The drop off the nukes was due to spy Intel that later that week the plague weapons would be used in a suicidal final attack.

The German government we're men with honor. The Japs were monsters.

Remember that before you trust them. They want you dead as much as the Jews if you're white and are willing to kill without honor.

White Christian men should not fire another bullet at each other while the servants of evil surround us.

why would you develop something so badass and not use it

building that bomb then not irradiating the nips would've been like spending all saturday building a brick barbecue from scratch, buying really nice cuts of meat on sunday, bacon, sausages ect and laying a table ready for the best barbecue ever then never cooking or eating any of it and leaving it out for the flies

>>132306435
>>132306558
>>132306645
>>132306890
>>132307757
Einstein was against using nuclear once it happened, but saw it through as a necessary evil because he shit his pants after hearing the Nazis were developing an "atomic bomb".

Why not post the actual letter? Here: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Einstein-Roosevelt-letter.png

>>132323012
>Rosenfeld
lol

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>>132298294
nk will disappear forever within 12 hours

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>>132298477
fpbp
/thread

>>132298294
>Why did we have to use this?

Save some of our guys
Test a new weapon
Science!
Get Japan before the Russians could have any reason to claim some of it.
Show everyone we had the biggest stick
Ect...

In the end what does it matter, it is just some dead foreigners.

>>132298294
All or nothing mentality, black and white thinking, low IQ in general and American ethics

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>>132301859

Thisisthewaterandthisisthewell
drinkfullandascend
thehorseisthewhiteoftheeyes
anddarkwithin

for the lulz

>>132298294

To see if it worked.