STOCK BREAD

>>132293164
It's a glitch you fucking idiot.
Sage for the 3 threads that already exist.

>>132293164
>>132293164
>>132293164
>>132293164
>>132293164
GUYS THIS IS OUR CHANCE

#DUMPALLSTOCKS

MAKE THOSE COMPANIES GO BANKRUPT

>>132293164
>>132293296
>It's a glitch you fucking idiot.
this is why outsourcing programming to poos is a bad idea

>>132293296
Yes but it's a good enough glitch to create a ruqus in the news.

>>132293164
listening to alex jones interviewing a guy who claims to be an actual illuminati

/comfy/ here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m65JD08925w

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Who here /comfy/?

>>132293296
IT'S NOT A GLITCH

STOCK MARKET IS KILL!!!!

I REPEAT, STOCK MARKET IS KILL!!

SELL SELL SELL

>SELL SELL SELL

>>132293164
Happening canceled. Go home, boys.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/finance-sites-erroneously-show-amazon-apple-other-stocks-crashing-2017-07-03

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/finance-sites-erroneously-show-amazon-apple-other-stocks-crashing-2017-07-03


kys

>>132293444
KEK WILLS IT

>>132293444

Despite your trips, dumping stocks will not have any effect on the underlying companies.

SELL SELL SELL

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>>132293603

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCQBIdvmPg4&ab_channel=Rwesthuis

>Time to COMFYYYY

F

>>132293164
>1.23% drop

terrifying

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Bloomberg still has $124

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called TD ameritrade they said it was a

*stress test*

odd thing is i thoght all brokers and platforms use different prom for there charts and prices and this is on most all thing tho i dont know about etrade

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so we're out of the bull trap?

should i pull all of my principal out of my roth ira?

Shills may be in force.
Anyone else still getting the pesos on Google?

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ALL TRUE DEKEKTIVES REPORT IN

FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE AFFECTED COMPANIES HAVE IN COMMON AND GIVE US A SUSPECT TO INVESTIGATE

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

WE ALL NEED TO KNOW IF THIS IS A GOOD GUY OR A BAD GUY CRASHING THE MARKET THROUGH PERCEPTION MANIPULATION AND REALITY CONTROL

PRAISE KEK AND FIND OUT WHO DID THIS

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>>132295406
This seems to be a market or server specific thing.
Nasdaq always showed the "correct" value of $954.99

Also pic related, went from Pesos to Euros

>>132295910
>Someone targeted the google servers hosting the stock info of those 12 companies
Well then, where do they all get their stock market data from?

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>>132295406
>All of them
How many of them?

>>132296829
Google uses a third-party vendor called SIX
Wouldn't be surprised if Yahoo! finance and others pulled from Google's finance API.

>>132295406
Google finance is shit. It's a bug.

However, this is summer, so SNB people who buy shit like FANGs are going on vacation. Because they buy with abandon, when they will stop showing up for a few months of European vacation they enjoy, those crazy stocks will crater.

>>132293164

both amazon and google had their stock prices hit 1000 recently. that triggers a lot of stock owners to cash out then the market responds to it.

>>132297080
So SIX had a disgruntled goyim who LEAKED the codes about how to hack the Google market and crash Amazon's stock prices

Find that employee and give us his Facebook.

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From earlier today.

>>132293603
I am now. Comfy af

>>132297080
>>132297361
Google has discontinued its finance API, didn't realize this until just now.

>>132293559
what time in the vid does that interview start anon?

>>132298096
Their prices are generally shit. Yahoo was gold standard finance website, but the bitch destroyed it.

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Some crazy shit is going on.
Pic related, Google's stock is listed in Brazilian real, Amazon is still in Euros.

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>>132298416
what the fuck is happening?

I got my e-mail statement for the day and it has incorrect prices. Mattel is way up and Appl is way down. Now what?

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>>132298391

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>>132300595
>Feminism STRIKES again
It's like Hillary Clinton and feminism all over again

>>132293164

>1% dipsy doodle is a happening

Fuck you guys are retarded.

>>132298416
Curious that this occurs at the same time a ballistic missile is launched from DPRK

>>132301820
>as usual the shills have no idea what they are even commenting on

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>>132293164
Oh Goyim,

You better buy some shares in Amazon. There is nothing wrong

Buy NEM, SSRI, and PICK. M is also ridiculously undervalued (market value of real estate alone is greater than the total market capitalization, and the company is cash flow positive)

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>>132303801
i warned you goys earlier, that tomorrow may be the day of a market correction its the perfect day for the chinese and euros to dump dow and bonds.

Wow, the prices changed on Nasdaq. MSFT is quoted at 29 but traded 123.47, which it never did. The times of sales also changed from actual times and sales. I think it's some sort of exchange bug.

>>132306205
it could also be a market glitch from wanna cry or some related virus. But tomorrow something may happen

>>132293444
HODL HODL HODL

>>132306205
here you go senpai

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/finance-sites-erroneously-show-amazon-apple-other-stocks-crashing-2017-07-03?link=sfmw_tw

>>132306205
Sauce?
This seems like a happening, potentially a cover up.

>>132306279
Markets are closed tomorrow. What can happen is that margin calls will get triggered for people who trade multiple markets, and kill European markets tomorrow. I would assume the marks would be adjusted for margin purposes. Whoever has auto margin calls is fucked if this is not fixed. Like people with IB accounts.

>>132306508
No, I have direct market data. Just looked at times of sales from the exchange, and they all changed. It's not a website issue.

>>132306685
not online they aint, physical yes but you can trade shit on your phone and pc. Remember we are in the future not in the 80s

Update 10:30pm
Amazon stock is still showing Euros in the same private browsing session.
Alphabet is still showing as Brazilian Real.
Google it yourself, interesting to see if anyone else gets this bug.

>>132306662
It looks like a bug. Nasdaq claims they sent test data and it hit real feed. The problem is that those prices appeared after the markets closed.

>>132306783
im gonna throw some information that noone has cared or has not searched at all, ill give a quick run down
>chinese make new gold backed yuan currency
>brics on the move can stand up toward the us
>everyone switching to rubles or yuan investing in oil and other things
>chinese dumping bonds that far as the eye can see billions of bonds along with euros aswell

>>132306662
Who owns those market values?
Is there any way to trace back to this?
Nasdaq original was in the clear, but am not sure how Google finance, Yahoo! finance, etc. aggregate and store their data.

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>>132307001
Meant to reply to this thread, my bad.

>>132306981
God mother of God, how fucked are we? What's gonna happen when people get into work Thursday? Tomorrow's a holiday, not sure who's gonna fix this.

>>132306763
It doesn't matter what your price is after you can't trade. The next time you can trade, the prices will be much closer to reality. Besides, they bust trades like these, but those trades weren't what was happening when you could trade. It's after the market closed reporting that went haywire.

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Post economic doom porn.

>>132307150
we are fucked possibly this year a major correction is going to happen, im not playing either search those topics when you have a chance, along with the auto loan bubble, housing bubble and dollar devaluation. I tell people all the time to watch out and they dont care at all. Not screaming doom but its clearly happening and its going off a cliff

>>132307001
Those are post market prices sent to everyone by Nasdaq. Those trades never happened when you could trade. Just some reporting gone wrong. I would assume they fix it, otherwise it will be a bloodbath on Wed.

>>132307248
So Amazon closed at $~959 today
Say some anon hacked the system and caused the prices to drop.
What does this mean for tomorrow and Thursday's markets given that tomorrow is an American bank holiday and the next working business day isn't until the 5th?

>>132307466
along with the student loan bubble
https://www.ft.com/content/a272ee4c-1b83-11e7-bcac-6d03d067f81f?mhq5j=e3

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201609151045341538-gold-yuan-china-dollar-eurasia/

https://www.rt.com/business/389712-russia-iran-oil-goods/

https://themortgagereports.com/27875/home-values-in-2017-are-we-facing-a-real-estate-bubble
>>132307150
here just read these

>>132307565
I would expect the brokers to use the real closing prices for margins, not what Nasdaq sent. Japan trades fine, so I assume the margin calls didn't triggered. If its not fixed (which I doubt), there will be a lot of automatic liquidations on Wed.

>>132307682
Financial times one is price blocked, but will read the other three now.

>>132307948
So tl;dr we have to wait until tomorrow morning to see if there's a happening or not?

>>132308270
>https://www.ft.com/content/a272ee4c-1b83-11e7-bcac-6d03d067f81f?mhq5j=e3
i just had it up and readable, i guess they are gonna be dicks but it was
>The US college debt bubble is becoming dangerous

>>132307248
people can put in orders to execute when market opens
so it might be a shitstorm

>>132308432
>not trading on the thin after-hours market to set it up for when the big boy hours start up.

>>132308526
in pretty sure the majority of shareholders wont do that

>>132293445
Fucking this.

>>132308432
Which is Wed, By that time it will be fixed. It's clearly a bug after the market was closed, even after hours session, so those prices never happened.

>>132308597
>implying people arent putting in sell orders right now and we wont see bloody wensday

>>132308584
Shareholders or traders?

>>132308745
everyone

>>132293164
(((BEZOS)))

>>132308597
>they never happened
never in the history of trading markets has this ever mattered

>>132308697
It's possible, but you still will not get anything close to those prices. Most people have ETFs now and they have lock up periods with their advisers. Its been a long time since anyone really saw real prices anyway. I can only spot the real market with computer. The naked eye bids and offers are long gone.

>>132309036
I wouldn't count on it. It probably has happened before, but people are generally either completely ignorant of these events or know enough to see a bug for what it is. So even if there are people willing to sell some stocks, they are a tiny minority in modern day equity markets. You have central banks holding shit like MSFT & AMZN. Whatever retail wants to sell will be a drop in a bucket. The markets are not really voting mechanisms anymore. It's a few institutions with insane amount of money forcing their own pricing. If they break, it's a different story, but that wouldn't put a dent into anything.

>>132309309
the market is affected by hysteria more easily than you think.
who knows though

>>132309061
Do you think this is just some software fault or someone deliberately trying to hack the system?

Seems like much more than a coincidence that this would happen after markets close the night before a holiday, not to mention all the Trump and Amazon controversy. Combined with the Fed approving share buy backs and the DPRK missile launching, I'm hesitant to dismiss this as just some Pajeet.

>>132307682
So we're gonna get BTFO by China and their metal-backed currency because we're spending non-existent money on shit we can't afford like houses and college? Not sure what to make of the RT article and how this ties to everything.

>>132306685
can you confirm if any of your peers or twitter peeps got fucked by this glitch?

>>132309574
do you realize that those things matter for economics and that if those bubbles burst we are fucked?

yea, i got calls on msft, aapl, ndx, and nvda going up.
the market will self correct itself by going up. basic economics.

>>132309574
also that rt article is saying russia and iran are forming trade shit without the us say or do.

>>132309574
Yes
This is why we are getting BTFO by China.
How to Russian/Iranian sanctions play into this?

>>132309856
>>132310034
Damnit keep replying to the wrong posts.

>>132309524
Here is the thing, though. There is no "market" in the US equities anymore. What will affect the "markets" if say SNB decides to reallocated from AAPL or some other crap they are holding, and will discover they are the market. Right now there is no crowd and no "market" and no behavior of the crowd. It's a few players hiding from economic repression in equities. When they decide to leave equities, that would be a different story. But while they are allocating into this shit show, a fucking nuclear bomb going off in NYC will not stop European or Asian CBs from buying this shit.

>>132310034
because they are going to say piss off to the us and just trade without us, with the brics union and new world bank being established china will be trading with everyone, while we are not trading shit. Remember war ruined this country and bombing the middle east is useless we can easily make a better oil and engines that take other shit then retarded gas.

>>132309574
This is just a bug from NASDAQ. They have a few tickers just for testing. They probably decided to test something after the AH session ended and distributed bad prices from their tests.

>>132310179
>a fucking nuclear bomb going off in NYC
sounds comfy famalam

>>132309712
I'm short MSFT, and it shows a loss on the system. But I wouldn't know if it's reflected in my end of day report. It probably will not. I still wouldn't suffer a margin call even with this, so I don't care. I would know tomorrow after my end of day statement arrives if this price is real.

>>132310179
What do you mean "they are the market?" Are you implying that the stock market consists with such a majority of venture capitalists and high-stake wealthy individuals and so few average Joes that the system is starting to cave in on itself?

I will say that companies like Amazon and Google can't finance themselves entirely just yet.

>>132310369
They are not in the country. They wouldn't know or care from what I've seen. The Central banks can get into the equities, they will not be able to get out. So if anything will make them try to sell these positions that would be an Armageddon. Before they try to sell, it will melt up.

>>132310464
fawk, but about the ppl with stop loss, surely that shit could have been triggered in some cases like you said, i guess we will find out

i shorted $sfun this morning for a 6% profit, what do you think about shorting $spex

>>132310591
It's not wealthy people anymore either. It a few institutions that basically control the prices. Whoever is a marginal buyer/seller determines the prices. There is no crowd when someone is buying 10% of the company. The sellers are simply not there for the buyer, and buyer drives the price up daily. VCs are not in the stock market. Now with indexes equities are just an asset class that gets bought for reasons unrelated to the reasons you should be buying or selling a stock. AAPL & MSFT in particular are bought by Swiss National bank. It's some sort of currency play for them, and they are the market in those two names. While they are buying it instead of bonds, they will be going up. When they stop, it will crater those stocks. When they try to get out, it will be bad. But until they try to get out, it's buying or not buying. Buying is daily melt up, not buying is drifting lower.

>>132310651
I mostly trade computerised strategies and have very few positions on some stupid observations. I don't know anything about the stocks you mentioned. I'm short MSFT for the summer based on SNB people being on vacation.

>>132310651
SFUN looks like a Chinese fraud company. It will either get bought out by a Chinese state backed entity based in the Cayman Isalands or go to zero depending on who the CEO is. If the CEO is some party guy the state will bail them out.

>>132310964
Makes sense.
So what's the geopolitical power play between the big boys like Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft, Apple, etc. who are having their stock traded as well as nation states like Russia, China and Iran? If the SNB is investing into the tech realm, I can only imagine what this means for raw material markets.

>>132311378
They are stupid and burning money. They can always print more Swiss francs to cover their losses. I wouldn't want to even think what gave these people an idea to buy individual equities in size. They are clearly not suited for it. I think they are buying techs because the US will not seize them like the financial companies, and they track S&Ps. It's all idiotic and will end badly, what's unknown is when it will end badly.

Money is all digital these days. It's not real.

So what would happen if the Norkorians detonated an electromagnetic pulse weapon over the USA and wiped out all our computers?

What if all our DIGITAL currency was erased?

What would happen? Are there paper backups of all the records or would be so far up shit creek we found the mythical shit source?

>>132311701
Why wouldn't the U.S seize the tech companies? They control the global infrastructure of the internet and are arguably the backbone of entrepreneurship progress in this country. I was surprised when Obama handed off ICANN rights to the U.N.

>>132311976
Because US can't run them. And because the US government will first seize more banks and oil companies before they would decide to seize tech companies. $20T in debt makes the government prone to expropriations.

>>132311976
Maybe they would. Like "help" MSFT with a little TARP for 50% of equity warrants. You really can't rule it out, but tech has never been expropriated before on the large scale, and they go by historical precedents.

>>132312094
Is that why the Fed approved the share buy backs? What is the banks' end game in all of this?

>>132312391
So far the banks paid "fines". So they pay the government not to be seized all the time now. Eventually there is another crisis and the government does another money grab. Banks are fucked.

>>132311365
i have been seeing distinct trends with both chinese and israeli companies recently, their resistance levels are so easy to determine when to short eg. $CAMT

>>132312391
Banks are cheap, though, so this is reflected in their prices. If there is no government risk they would be worth a lot more.

>>132312567
So why doesn't the government just take control and buy out all the banks? Sounds like some form of socialism is inevitable at this rate.

>>132310034
you are a 100% kosher good goy.

>>132312391
End game? lol

As for the stock buy backs that keeps the market up and the dupe employees happy while capitalizing the C-levels to scoop up defaulted real assets like during the Great Depression.

>>132311862
pre sure if one person has the blockchain code the whole thing can be recovered if emp fallout occurred

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>>132312776
>>132312778

>>132312692
I don't like to trade frauds. They are unpredictable. If the company is already worth multiples more than it should nothing stops it from being worth even more, and there is no real resistance on fraud. All the news are good, and it's very different from trading real companies. You should seek some sort of catalyst that would wipe it out or they pull a take over. There are really only two outcomes of frauds. Either they go bust or somebody buys them out. So you run the risk of these people convincing somebody to buy them out. And it's not a small risk, because they are successful frauds.

>>132312751
The government will not pay shit for the banks. They would get them for free. There is no point of owning the banks when they can extort money and favors from them under the threat of seizure.

>>132306135
how so?
give me a quick bogdown

>>132313044
i never hold these shit stocks over night that would be suicidal, im usually scanning for big premarket movers then shorting into the morning spike. you would be surprised how useful powerful going back 5-10+ yrs on the chart can be, so on average im only holding for 1-1 1/2 hrs, unless i see a good "play off intraday high into fade" play then ill hold longer but never holding after hours

They did just start a venture to try and kill walmart/target...

>>132313457
Aren't they all hard to borrow and you have to locate them? I usually have programs trade opens, so I can't locate everything. And I trade higher priced stocks.

>>132313195
Starting to all make sense now...
How is this the same or different with a Republican Trump regime compared with Bush or Obama?

>>132313549
Sauce?

>>132313622
i use center point securities, 50k up front, i think they will work with you if you have less, i think you can start with 30 as you kno 25k minimum for pdt rule, center point usually has easy to borrow (commission 4$/1000 stock) and if they dont have it they can usually find it for additional commission

>>132313742
Bush had friend banks and the banks he didn't like like Lehman. Bear was ridiculous. They first called all the big clients to pull out from Bear, and then JPM "saved" them. Lehman was just vendetta against the CEO. But basically Bush was redistribution of banks to favored banks. Fannie and Freddie were manipulated into a total seizure, then the accounting fraud was used to justify it. WAMU was forced into JPM fold. They did other borderline illegal bullshit to cull the herd.

Obama was racket. He threatened them all and they all paid "fines" and did whatever the fucker wanted. It was really Banana Republic tier shit happening. Fannie and Freddie were just milked for the money Bush holdover created through fraudulent accounting.

Under Trump I don't know. So far he stopped extortion. It would be good if he also introduced non mafia based business model to the banks, because now banks are mob owned, and the mob is the US government.

>>132314083
I actually traded professionally. Now I basically manage my own money, so I'm not that active anymore. This type of strategy you need to fully automate, and then you can get bigger with it. It's not the stocks that most people trade. They are illiquid, and you have to locate a shit load of names every morning to make an impact. It's an edge, I guess.

>>132314264
What do the Clintons have to do with all of this? Why did she lose? I view Trump's win as symbolic over the dominance of large corporations into our lives - like NBC, Comcast, Warner Bros, WWE and all others who put on a mass charade of media to the masses.

>>132315614
I'm really a trader, so I don't know the political side of it. I can tell you what Bush did or Obama did, from their effects on the markets, but what would Clinton have done I can't tell you. She looked to me like a completely incompetent person, so he advisers would have ran things. I would guess it would have been the same people that advised her husband, and it would be more bank extortion and allowing banks to break all the laws for the "fines". But maybe she would have been even worse. I can't speculate on what would have been, because I don't have enough information.

>>132316702
Just trying to see how Clinton 90's economics plays into this, especially with the tech and dot com booms, but I understand you're just a trader.

>>132316894
Clinton used to raid some companies when he was POTUS. He raided Phillip Morris. At first he tried to destroy them, then he let go. That was an awesome buying opportunity. They also magically ended up owning RTC banks that paid off huge after botched up conservatorship. Clinton was more corrupt than Obama, but he was limiting his raids to individual names. He collapsed .com bubble by essentially nationalizing human genome mapping from CRA (Celera). That was really when NASDAQ bubble burst. That stock dropped from ~$300 to ~$50 in days, and it was in all tech portfolios and it really started the .com bust.

That's what I remember about Clinton. He was a pretty bad dude, but nothing compared to Bush & Obama.

>>132317546
Good to know. Do you know anything about state and hospital finance? interesting to see how this human genome data is used from a technical standpoint by giants like Google.

Also, WSJ caught on to this
https://www.wsj.com/articles/glitch-briefly-shows-incorrect-u-s-tech-stock-prices-1499134057

>>132313742
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/16/amazon-is-buying-whole-foods-in-a-deal-valued-at-13-point-7-billion.html
https://www.amazon.com/b?node=16008589011

>>132318676
State like munis? My good friend trades munis. I personally never looked into this. Hospital stocks I do trade sometimes, there is really nothing good about them.

That Human genome thing went like this. There was a government project and private project ran by Celera. Celera of course finished the mapping first, so one day Clinton and Blair came out and said that Human Genome is the property of the people, not some corporation, and basically CRA wanted to sell software for analyze the genome, not the actual data. But I guess that put an end to private money flowing to fund genome research. The stock collapsed, there were some retracted statements, But the business of selling that software was done. The private money was done too. As a side effect .com collapsed. I doubt Google has any use for this data. There is no math to work with that stuff yet, and the sheer quantity of data is tremendous.

>>132315241
an edge is an edge my dude
follow this fucker on twitter hes 22 and nearing 2 million dollars in verified profits starting from 27k hes a fucking beast with the shorts https://twitter.com/Steven1_994
hes dropping a dvd sometime this year

hes passing up this guy who you should also follow https://twitter.com/kroyrunner89
he has a dvd called trading tickers which there is a torrent for

>>132319139
check out $AMRN for a long play, they have vascepa - Vascepa (icosapent) works in the liver and bloodstream to reduce very low-density triglycerides.

Vascepa is used together with a low-fat and low-cholesterol diet to reduce triglycerides (fats) in adults with severely high triglycerides.

super refined prescribed fish oil basically, the shit is going to blow i think

>>132318875
How is this proof of them trying to kill Target or Walmart? The Whole Foods acquisition concerns me still, but for different reasons.

>>132319139
Why do hospitals have stocks? What's the split between private and public ones? What is their role in the healthcare controversy right now? Thinking of the Illinois Medical District right now and how their only job is to use the poor people of Chicago as lab rats.

>>132319641
Sounds like a Ponzi scheme.

>>132319386
I don't trade discretionary. I develop a model, and run the model trades. So it's statistical. I don't really trade individual names like that. When I started trading, I was taught to do pick stocks. I can't say I enjoyed it. I do simple statistics, no stop gains/losses of a period based on the model. It generally made me a lot of money. Basic statistics seems to work for me. I test it, and go with it. So I run a lot of backtesting studies for new models,, and I code working models so they run automatically.

>>132320089
Click the second link anon

>>132318875
>https://www.amazon.com/b?node=16008589011
I knew about Amazon Go from the get-go. The bigger concern is how Amazon is tracking you and what you're carrying in and out of the store. Sure they may be trying to compete with Wal-mart and Target, but that doesn't strike me as an immediate concern, especially since those two are big enough as it is.

>>132320475
What code runs the trading algorithm? Who owns the servers and how are they used in conjunction with Nasdaq?

>>132320089
To be honest with you, I have a bucket called hospitals, and I trade that bucket on some triggers. I never really looked at the internals of the bucket. Something is wrong with them, because the P/Es are too low. Like HCA is a hospital company that trades on NYSE. I was short some emergency room operator based on some technical trigger, and they went out of business. This sector sucks. It's generally untradable unless something specific happens.

>>132320614
See
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>>132320842
I write my own code. I route directly to exchanges. The servers are in an office I rent.

>>132320944
What languages to do code in? How do you route to the exchanges? Is there some sort of API or are you doing this from scratch?

>>132320842
What?

Tracking what comes in and out makes it easier to keep in stock what is in demand.

>>132321035
I use C++ & Python. The scripts I use python for, the heavier duty processes use C++. I can use FIX, but I bought software that organizes the book for me, and they have a C++ API. FIX is too hard core for me. I know how to do it, I was forced to do it, but I don't want to maintain all the brokers and exchanges. It's cheaper to buy a platform with an API. I do have an ability to use FIX, but the benefits are non existent for me. The wrapper manages risk and writes to FIX.

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>mfw the algorithim trading robots that were connected to these sources for prices are going to make some fucking weird dumps and buys which will trigger other algos not connected to these sources to make some fucking weird dumps and buys

HAHA I LOVE TECHNOLOGY

Someone SOMEWHERE will go broke today

>>132293727
>Despite your trips, dumping stocks will not have any effect on the underlying companies.

Um what?

>>132310964
>It a few institutions that basically control the prices. Whoever is a marginal buyer/seller determines the prices. ...in particular are bought by Swiss National bank.
I've been studying forex and commodities, different from equities, but the same premise seems to be true that there are a few large players that have control over price. I haven't even started trading, I'm really interested in this because then that means all those theories I've been taught like random walk and EMH are wrong and they should leave some kind of fingerprint or footprint when they control price. One problem is though the FRB publishes a report of when they conduct open market operations and I was thinking I could match that up to see if there are any patterns but according to this report they havent been doing anything for awhile, but this report excludes unsanitized operations.

>>132324522
How can there be randomness when the FED literally controls the interest rates. Pretty much the same regime is in equities now. It's great for trading, but terrible for investments. If you can spot the non random component, it's literally a strategy. I doubt you can spot them through reports. My understanding is that commodities still have market on close trade going. Equities are too far gone with all the cheating. What I would do if I traded commodities I would try to get an info on imbalances for the close from the floor. That alone will last you through a few years until they change the rules. I bet you most of the floor trades these.

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>>132324522
>I've been studying forex and commodities
Good luck with that.

>>132293995
https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AMZN:US,

No it doesn't.

>>132325767
>https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/AMZN:US

Without the "," at the end.

>>132325223
>imbalances for the close from the floor. That alone will last you through a few years until they change the rules. I bet you most of the floor trades these.
What do you mean by this? Also majority of that is electronic now like GLOBEX.
>market on close trade going.
I seen some articles about them still trying things like banging the fix close and stuff but it seems the people caught doing that and end up in a article about it are being thrown under the bus.
>doubt you can spot them through reports.
I have seen some interesting things happen around big moves in the the CFTC Tuesday snapshot reports.

>>132325923
They do have imbalances around contract rolls, and they do play with closes. The floor has the direction and size of imbalance disseminated to them through exchange messages. I haven't really seen that through my datafeed, but I don't trade commodities. I know they get it, though. You just buy buy imbalance and sell on close and short sell imbalance and buy on close to cover. This is standard shit they all do on the floor on the big imbalance. I'm pretty sure this is one of the few trades they have left. I would probably trade around fixes on FOREX too. They do have valid order flow around those times. It's not all manipulation.

>>132326250
Are you talking about spotting imbalances in OF by watching the OB? Or are you talking about imbalances like the specialists in the nyse publish before the close, I don't think the CME has something like that.

>>132326756
NYMEX has imbalances just like NYSE has them. Now NYSE imbalances are pretty useless, but it used to be a huge trade. I don't know about the CME.

>>132326861
NYMEX is owned by the CME group and CME closed their pits a couple years ago.

>>132327017
But how do they determine the closing price of a contract? It was an auction. If the pits are closed, there has to be a separate feed.

>>132327017
I know that oil contracts had those imbalances. I think the terminology is different, but the general idea is that they have a feed for the open and close auctions unless they trade non stop now. They still have to determine settlement prices.

>>132327097
It varies for different contracts but for example the contract specs for ES trading hours
CME Globex: Sunday - Friday 6:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time (ET) with trading halt 4:15 p.m. - 4:30 p.m.

Sell please I need to get in and P/Es are too high now. I need a market crash.

>>132327236
>unless they trade non stop
The contract specs for CL trading hours are
CME Globex: Sunday - Friday 6:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. (5:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. Chicago Time/CT) with a 60-minute break each day beginning at 5:00 p.m. (4:00 p.m. CT)
>I think the terminology is different
probably. I've never head of it, I don't know what you're referring to.

>>132327572
I talked to an oil guy a while ago, and he told me that they do get updates about the end of the day auction to determine settlement prices. They get number of contracts that want to print settlement price. Again, if the pits are closed, this info is probably disseminated electronically. They also trade on expiration of the contract at settlement price.

From what I've seen in commodities and FOREX, the bullshit intraday trading is garbage unless its around some events, and I know that in an oil pit all those government oil reports were published a few seconds earlier than on Bloomberg.

I was trading something with oil stocks, and I mostly talked to him about the report dissemination.

>>132328007
So I guess I should research and dig around to learn more about the details of what goes on around the session closes in commodities and forex.

>>132327572
Most US markets have those type of trades. Government bonds have short wi, buy on auction (albeit it works worse now). There has to be something in commodities and FOREX. Otherwise it's a shit market. I know FOREX is not very good market for those trades, but commodities generally used to mint money, so they have those arb trades.

>>132328286
Not worth it for me. I have my hands full with equities. I have more strategies to work on than I have time.

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heh when your research on this is going in circles

>>132293559
>4:25 muslims run the federal reserve.
Gas this kike, never the jews

>>132293164
>(((Glitch)))

>>132328336
That's you. For me I'm not even trading maybe I might start not sure but I do know I'm interested in learning a lot more about the market.

>>132328658
And it has been (((fixed))).