Syria General /sg/ - Kebab Kryptonite Edition

>>132291997
First for Bacon Warfare!

>>132291997

Qatar Latest Update:

>Qatar FM handed Kuwait response, next comes Cairo meeting on Wednesday.
>Saudi FM: will study carefully Doha's response.
*Macron calls Qatar Emir, Tillerson calls Egypt FM, UK PM calls MBS
*German FM: Arab states not questioning Qatar's sovereignty
*Qatar hosted Hamas and Taliban delegations at the 'request' of the US - Petraeus
*Saudi FM: Hope for 'positive response' from Qatar
*Saudi, UAE, Bahrain & Egypt accept 48hr deadline extension for Qatar
*Qatar FM arrives in Kuwait to hand over response to list of demands
>Unconfirmed 5 revised demands based on Kuwait mediation
1. Qatar must expel #gyptian spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood Yusuf Qaradawi & all Hamas officials
2. All Turkish troops recently deployed in Qatar to go back to Turkey
3. Qatar to agree to have monitors on all financial transactions sent to rebel factions in Syria
4. Qatar to provide USA security services all documents of any organisation/group located on its territory
5. Toning down #AlJazeera rhetoric & any programs provoking strike AND pledging NOT to criticise GCC states & Egypt
*Trump calls Qatar Emir. Tillerson calls Bahrain FM
*Saudi, UAE, Egypt,Bahrain to meet Wed. in Cairo
>Qatar does not bow to ultimatums - Qatar FM
>Qatar prepared to 'face the consequences' for rejecting demands
>UAE FM played down the chances of an escalation, saying "The alternative is not escalation but parting ways"
>List of demands 'was meant to be rejected - Qatar FM
>Qatar FM meets members of UN Security Council
>Bahrain invokes WTO’s ‘national security’ clause in Qatar row
>Qatar's defence minister: Blockade is 'declaration of war'
>More Turkish troops arrive in Qatar.

>>132292094
can someone give me a rundown on why Qatar is a thing? Why is Saudi giving them hell?

>>132292170
qatar is refusing to jump on the anti-iran bandwagon

>>132292170
tl;dr: Trump meme'd too hard

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move over, ASSad

your reign of terror will come to an end as the Syrian Democratic Forces march on Damascus

The Syrian people shall be free of your tyranny

Kurdistan delenda est

>>132291997
no wht tf are they starting al tanf again just focus on the rest of the border ffs. source?

do you think after it's all over assad will give the k*rds their independence?

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>>132292170
>inb4 4dchess
bc orb touching and sword dancing

>>132292388
No, king roach would rather declare war on the ebtire world than let kurdistan become a country

>>132292336
Well SAA can get rid of that huge FSA pocket in the SW. Also Al-Tanf would mean that pretty much the whole border with Jordan is secured. It also gives the SAA more leverage with Daraa.

>>132292428
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/881834692282109953

>>132292388
Autonomy. Full on independence would prompt Turkey to go full on Saddam.

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>>132292388
>do you think after it's all over assad will give an ethnic group with no majority in any area of Syria independence over parts of his country after emerging from a civil war that reaffirmed the Syrian Arab Republic's unity and sovereignty?
Gee I wonder

>>132292593
This. There may be a chance they get sovereignty in northern Iraq, but Turkey would pull some serious shit.

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>>132292553
>https://twitter.com/anealla/status/866955387970473984
that was a big party

>>132292681
Barzani doesn't care about the kurdish people. He just uses independence as bait to keep control over Kurdistan. His family has done that for the entirety of Iraq's modern history post-ottomans.

He already said the potential "referendum" will be unofficial and won't count.

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>>132291997

Nth for the liberation of Hrui.

>>132292593
Depends on Russia

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>>132292811
>Russia deciding on whether or not Syria gets cut up

>>132292811
Not really

>>132292801
Okay, then they will probably get nothing, as usual. maybe a little autonomous zone in NE Syria but we'll see.

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gn

>>132292908
uhm...yeah?

>>132292777
Don't worry I'm sure KSA got plenty of US gibs in exchange for that party.

>>132292985
nite swebro

>>132292947
Russia is not protecting Syria. It's protecting its interests in Syria

>>132293025
Yeah, they got a couple of tweets by the orange orangutang.

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This is not comfy at all. Where are the gains /sg/?

>>132293217
Its interests are in holding ports in the Mediterranean Sea and keeping a government favorable to it in the country

How the fuck does forcing them to create Kurdistan contribute to either two of these causes

>>132293376
No gains other than minor ones up road to Sukhnah.
>Wherever the SAA is redeploying to fight ISIS, it's either distant, or they're redeploying massive amounts of manpower.

>>132293486
If the price for ending the war and pushing USA out of Syria is part of north Syria, Russia might pay it.

Who's the faggot who said this weekend was going to be a weekend of gains?

>>132293684
>If the price for ending the war
SDF are a lot weaker than the SAA and US wouldn't risk causing a direct confrontation between the two for the time being. If it did, that would mean forfeiting air support to the SDF.

>pushing USA out of Syria
They're already doing that well. Seceding part of north Syria will not push the USA out of it, it'll just involve them even further in that area with permanent military bases and an additional US puppet in the middle of the region.

>>132293217
King roach doesnt need russian permission to go total war on kurds

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>>132293627
>Sukhnah
Ok, so gains incoming. Getting comfier!

>>132293627
They're probably consolidating all of the territory they've gained in the past two weeks. Otherwise:

-putting soldiers on the SW front with Al-Tanf now that CJTF-OIR has pulled out
-Desert Hawks getting the BMPs ready to move up the center in that central ISIL pocket.

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>>132292094
MADMEN
unnoficial response from Qatar to GCC:
>#Qatar reportedly agreed to Saudi demands to reduce diplomatic elations with Iran if other #GCC did the same.
>Same response was #Qatar's response to cutting economic relations with #Iran. Qatar would if other #GCC, esp. the #UAE do same.
>#Qatar agrees to close #Turkey's military base if other #GCC members close foreign bases on their soil.
>#Qatar denies relations only with UN-designated terroris organizations &refuses to honor lists by individual nations, incl. US, it seems.
>#Qatar refused to close any media officia or non-official media outlet.
>Qatar refused to pay compensation to fellow #GCC members & demanded compensation for damages from current blockade by some fellow GCC.

>>132293872
>it'll just involve them even further in that area with permanent military bases
ah true. Well my main point is just that I see Russia as being able to push Syria into accepting
>muh Kurdistan
should it be in their interest.

US bases make this unlikely though, well seems Kurdistan will stay a meme

>>132292511
against us forces
im just saying that theres more easily attainable objectives rather than al tanf. the sooner they get to al qaim the soomer the pocket in DeZ gets cleared. clearly the tigers are the most capable force and to have them go to east ghouta after aforementioned would be the only realistic way to liberate the pocket

>>132294444
4x4 checked.
So they give back their own impossible demands?

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gn /sg/

>>132294597
Yes! The madmen!
>>132294701
g'nite bong

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ASSADWAVE - ALLAH, SOURIA, BASHAR OU BAS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH5Ay4tWvWc

>>132294701
dude why are you going to be at 7:30 lmao

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Halal propaganda

>>132294444
to be fair, this is bad. Qatar and UAE needs to keep ties with Iran.

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https://www.thenational.ae/world/europe/sweden-reports-tenfold-increase-in-isil-sympathisers-1.91695
>Sweden reports tenfold increase in ISIL sympathisers
>'We have never seen anything like it,' says Swedish intelligence chief.
>Sweden is home to at least 2,000 ISIL sympathisers who are believed to have been radicalised over the internet, the country’s spy chief revealed on Monday.
>Mr Thornberg said that Swedish police were now dealing with close to 70,000 leads a year relating to terrorism and extremism, up from 24,000 five years ago.
>The growth of religious extremism in areas of Sweden with high poverty levels and crime rates, which took place among segregated immigrant communities, was a third reason, according to Mr Ranstorp.


>>>“And the fourth reason is maybe that the prevention measures have been pretty tame. It's become better in the last year, but I have long said that if you compare Denmark and Sweden, Denmark is at university level and Sweden at kindergarten level,” Mr Ranstorp told The Local, calling on national and local authorities to better integrate communities that were providing support for Islamist extremists.

Damn Sweden, you're always behind the times. ISIS is so 2013!
Who's ready for /sg/ - Sweden General?

>>132295216
you're autistic dude

>>132295398
Looks like ISIL is gonna move from Syria/Iraq to Sweden. /sg/ will live on after all.

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>>132295692
Even my uncle living in Sweden who moved there in the 70's complains about Somalian immigrants and islamist ghetto trash there.

How much of a fucking hellhole are you trying to become if even a Moroccan immigrant is complaining about immigration?

>>132295692
>pirate flag
>us flag
you seem like a cunt

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>>132294444
very nice response

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>tfw slow day
>tfw Best Korea delivers happening

>>132295938
It better be true that rural Swedes are willing to fight. City Swedes are gonna get killed en masse if this breaks out.

>>132296359
>north korea
>happening
pick one

>>132296564
hurr durr trump tweeted something so it's habbening XDDD MAGA shadilay

>>132296564
Hype is good tho.

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>>132295142


B A S H A R
S
S
A
D

>>132296564
forgot 4chin flag

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>>132296645
its really no different than another dozen threads about the latest "seth rich happening" or "bad self eater" Nork threads are the biggest non-happening threads.
>fall out of the news
>fire a missile
>get attention
>fall out of the news
>test a nuke
>get attention
repeat ad infinitum, its like Trump with twitter except Kim uses fireworks

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>>132294444
absolute madmen

>>132292808
>bashar visits haruhi cafe on the regular
is every syrian a goddamn weeb? wtf

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It's nearly 3 AM and I'm lurking /sg/ while playing comfy ruskie music
Just wanted to remind on how these moments should be cherished
What we're living on /sg/ is unique, the Ukraine-Donbass conflict was a precursor to that but this is really the first war where anyone anywhere in the world can use their computer and know about every aspect of the war, to which faction every square meter in Syria belongs to, and the details of every offensive no matter how small in scale it is

Information cannot be censored, Anonymous users on a discussion board are organizing airstrikes on training camps, and we're all here waiting for gainz while occasionally posting SAAnime pictures

I love /sg/

>>132297705
>It's nearly 3 AM and I'm lurking /sg/ while playing comfy ruskie music

my kekistani fag flag demands you share the comfy music anon

>>132297779
kikestan, kekistan
same shit.

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>>132297705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOTnSXK_dHM

>>132297923
cuckistan

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>>132297779
I-It's alexandrov ensemble but still comfy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnLppyPCuvg

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>>132297957

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Just a reminder North Korea stands with Assad against terrorism and the jew world order

there needs to be a channel for /sg/ music
all the syrian music, hezbollah music, houthi music, assadwave, even isis nasheeds since there's been a plurality of people here who get into them too

>>132298251
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfGQfQUY-2OVI4OWE41oThw/playlists?sort=dd&view=1&shelf_id=0

>>132297779
Go to bed, degenerate

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>>132298033
checked and how dare ivan music not be britney spears like???

>>132298010
>kikes trying to subvert kekistani nationalism this hard itt
i sure wonder why that is

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>>132298367
KYS zionist KIKE.

>>132297957
girlinblack = waifu
>>132298251
THIS. based 98 has some quality assadwave
>>132298355
nice. first warsong is perfect, from fallout. love that tune
>I don't want to set the world on fire

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>>132298425
>kikestani flag
you are a kike cuck no?

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>>132298494
>>132298597
>>132298425
Keep it comfy!

HURR DURR I AM KIKESTANI FLAG!!!
SO COMFY!
PRAISE DRUMPF!
PRAISE ISRAEL!!!

>>132298425
If /ptg/ didn't exist I'd say this was bait 100% but you just never know anymore.

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Death to Israel. Death to kikes motherfuckers.

>>132298821
actually I like to use this flag ironically

>>132298821
Careful with that mate, I got warned for kekfag shitposting earlier.

Speaking of /sg/ music, this was posted back when it had less than 3k views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X16wr6Chy5o

Any new mixes like this? Never heard stuff like this but I really like it.

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>>132298952
You are a massive flag fag, also prolly a drumpg and therefore a kikelover. I would love to see pic related onto you.

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>>132298982
Careful with being kikestani flag? Careful with what?

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KIKES = KEKESTANIS
therefore, death to 4chin Drumpgfags.

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>>132299063
>>132299167
>>132299283
Dude, calm down

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>>132299334
Imma super calm now.

How many soldiers are left of syrias forces, saa and tigers?

>>132299334
morrocan jewish cock sucker

>>132299506
Enough to blot out the sun

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BASED ASSAD

>page 5

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>>132299804
lol nice

>>132295411
DIAGNOSED SPERG #AutisticNationalism

>>132294444
Sounds like a square deal.

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kikestan = kekistan forever!!!
>>132300585
>confederate flag
mild kike

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Israel and fellow Kekistanis are based.

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PRAISE KEK!!!

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>based bro

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RIP anon.

>>132298821
>the triple inverse false flag psyop jewing
R A R E
A
R
E

>>132301363
>you are this mad
settle down jared

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>>132298652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DljgSrTbNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8zIfaNHiB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXY9teAXA0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9XsfuonpMA

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>>132294555
>replying to my own comment

or am i completely wrong and ive been lurking for nothing. pls respond

>>132292170
Saudis are Sunni and Qatar is harboring Shia terrorist

>>132303268
>Qatar is harboring Shia terrorist
Not even that, they just let Al-Jazeera cover Shiite opposition parties in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia which is the cause of this

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where the tiger at

>US coalition says the mainly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces fighting #ISIS has breached the Old City of #Raqqah #Syria on July 3.

>>132304515
>Coalition used targeted strikes to create their own gaps in Rafiqah Wall to give SDF access to old city of Raqqa, per @CJTFOIR

>>132300905
>implying the Kekistani flag isn't a kike flag

>>132304825
> "liberating" ancient structures with bombs
No better than ISIS

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what the fuck is his problem?

>>132305821
>America has just bombed Syria again. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that Assad.....
>....and Countryside General will put up with this much longer. Perhaps Russia will put a heavy move on the US and end this nonsense once and for all!

you jewish idiots feeding into the meme war over kekistsan, you have no clue what you're doing
PROTIP: it isn't what you think you're doing
you'll regret trying to coopt kek's chosen people

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>>132306312

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>>132305821
>US can test missiles
>North Korea cant

you have to be israel vassal to have nukes

quick quick R&U video

25 minutes ago
>Images from Western Mosul | Late June - Early July of 2017

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HDBF5RDagI

hello, do any of you have the webm detailing organizations smuggling migrants from africa into italy?

>U.S. warns businesses of hacking campaign against nuclear, energy firms

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-energy-idUSKBN19L2Z9

>>132295142
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH5Ay4tWvWc
Damn thats some fine tunez. Who made that?
Awesome work.

>>132307369
he made it

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>>132295216
Ayo, you make all the autism anime edits? Could you deck my waifu out Hezbollah style?

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THINGS AREN'T THE WAY THEY WERE BEFORE

>>132305821
He talked the Chinese yesterday about North Korea and they told him to fuck off after his recent stunts in the SCS and threats of tariffs

>>132306175
do it

>>132295216
>best girl as SAA

thanks mate

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>>132309020
>doormat
>best girl

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>>132307879
This good enough for you?

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Y'all ready for nk-general? It's happening.

>>132306175
>countryside cuck
kek, i miss him lads
F

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Well, it's 5AM already. Good night and sweet dreams, faggots.

>>132305821
>NK is flying nukes over you
>Japan and SK just sit there and take it like the giant cucks they are

What the fuck is their problem?

>>132309453
american invasion was a mistake

>>132292311
>>132293285

>unironically shilling

/sg/ has been Trump-skeptics, but this is just outright shilling. Blame McMasters, the neocons, and the Dems for this shit.

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>>132302524
>>132307369
Wow comfy song to hear before sleeping, lads

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>>132309453
They don't want to get Chink'd.

>>132309527
>Wanting ruskis to take over the peninsula

Right now we are just waiting for them to nuke Tokyo or USA. Completely unacceptable.

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>>132309741
You really think chinks would risk both war AND destroying their economy for North Korea?

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>>132305821
>>132306175
AYYYYY

>>132293857
Right here

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>>132307879
I don't make all of them, no. I've made a few, though.

>>132309020
No problem, why do you think I made her SAA?

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>>132309916
Yes. They can't easily afford to back down on literally the only thing they've taken a consistent stand against the United States on.

another day more gainz for the ROJAVAN resistance

every day more land falls to the REVOLUTION sweeping across the land
everything east of the euphrates is now part of the new revolutionary state of ROJAVA
all over the land the people have taken back their villages farms and cities from the dictators and fanatics which threatened to tear apart the peaceful land
now with the fall of raqqa which shall be the capital of the new nation all reactionary resistance shall be pushed WEST of the Euphrates
and their is nothing damascus or tehran or moscow or ankara can do to stop it
its not just a dream anymore its ROJAVA and its happening RIGHT NOW it already exists
and it shall be the beacon of peace democracy and freedom for all in its borders

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFozm4nAKDg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I3Cacxk0aI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgoiYmPJQNk

L O N G
L I V E
R O J A V A

>>132311354
No fuckin way man. It's bad for them either way.

Options as follows:
1) The don't do anything. They will look weak and like they failed to influence NK
2) They side with NK against USA. Chinese trade with USA and probably UK, Jap, SK stops resulting in mass unemployment in China thus starvation and severe unrest. War will probably be stalemate, thus furthering internal unrest.
3) China sides with US and invades NK from the North. This allows chinks to set up puppet regime in NK that completely dependent on china. This is best option for China and could spin it so to not look like they are betraying NK.

>>132311829
United Kurdistan would be better but that's okay too.

>>132311959
>united kurdistan would be cool
of course id support that as long as they stay dedicated to democracy freedom justice and equality as they have up till this point

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>>132312088
>democracy freedom justice
>commie
Die please hehe. Hell has lots of that!

>>132312088
Honestly, the best you could hope for in the middle east is a reasonably broad oligarchy (nominally democratic) and I would support that.

>>132312088
>dedicated to democracy freedom justice and equality

i.e. ethnic cleansing, land appropriation, denial of rights and oppression of minorities

>>132312281
what is..
>CAT-FAI Catalonia
>Ukrainian Free territory
>Paris commune
>Shinmin autonomy
you should look em up by the way they werent commie by the way sorta like how IM not a commie

>>132312300
i just wish they could maintain some tenants of the psudo-direct democracy system they have going now despite that being a bit of wishful thinking

>>132312420
proof mate?

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>>132312478
>thinking Rojava isn't equally retarded
Die, heretic!

>>132297705

We love you too Moroccobro thanks for keeping /sg/ /comfy/

YA BASHAR YA SOURIA!

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>>132294444

>>132305821
I would be so fucking embarrassed if this retarded was my president

>>132312088
>united kurdistan
talk about a pipe dream
iraqi kurds dont like syrian kurds and can't stand pkk turk kurds, iranian kurds are loyal to iran, and armenian kurds would have no representation, on top of that turkey iran syria armenia and iraq would all have issues with their clay being stolen for israel 2: imperialist bijiloo

>>132312922
Here's a number of links talking about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in both Syria and Iraq including the SDF
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/04/25/christian-assyrian-clash-kurds-syria/
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/20/first-hand-account-kurdish-ypg-forces-routinely-terrorize-assyrian-christians-in-syria/
http://www.aina.org/news/20160112034707.htm
http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm
http://www.aina.org/reports/ace201701.pdf
The last link is a PDF specifically about Kurdish crimes against Assyrians in northern Syria, including forced deportation, murder, assassination and bomb plots
from http://www.aina.org/news/20160427141009.htm
>In Iraq, the Assyrian militia that was fighting Saddam was first disarmed by U.S. forces and then later, as conditions in Iraq deteriorated, the Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) blocked all Assyrian attempts to create local Assyrian forces, even those who were designed to do nothing more than protect soft targets like Assyrian schools, churches and businesses. Finally, in 2011 forward, the Kurds forcibly disarmed even average Assyrian citizens (and Yezidis as well) throughout the Nineveh Plain and Sinjar, leaving them incapable of defending themselves.
>Once disarmed, the Assyrians and Yezidis were abandoned by the Kurdish Peshmerga as ISIS stormed across northern Iraq. The KRG's program of forced disarmament and failure to defend Assyrians and Yezidis, even women and children, has been extensively documented by a number of groups.

>>132294444

OMG!!! xDDDDD bruh i'm dying Qatar gave a Based response

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>>132312088

>>132313099
>muh retarded
not an arguement mate
>"yeah all those french men Spanish men Ukrainians and Koreans who rose up for against monarchy and dictatorship and in the case of the Koreans colonialism and attempted genocide they were just retarded for standing up for themselves"

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Kekistani
Kekistain
Keikstain
Kiekstain
Kikestain

>>132313677
i will always be a proud kekistani because it will always trigger (((You))), yid

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>>132313819
>i will always be a proud kikestain
wew

>>132313499
the geopolitical realities make an independent kurdistan an impossibility.
iran turkey and iraq and syria dont want to each give up a third of their land to some kurds. especially not when all the oil is on that land.
if u get one kurdistan, the others will want to join.
turkey has for years been fighting kurdish seperatism. the threat to turkey is that an independent kurdistan acts as a springboard for terrorism in turkey. and inspires a third of its population to think things unturkish.

so essentially, an independent kurdistan is going to attract the attentions of turkey and iran, the two biggest players. an independent kurdistan unites them in a way that only russia wants them united. they dont want to be united, and the usa and saudi and israel dont want them united.

within this geopolitical reality, kurdistan is not an easy thing to achieve nor maintain. unless burgers are going to turn it into a colony, there will be no kurdistan. and if there is, it will be a wellspring of kurdish blood to quench the ever thirsty earth.

>>132314111
>kikestain
no, that would be the crosskikes, aka you

>>132314165
>wellspring of kurdish blood
wtf? i love bijiwiji now

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>>132314254
>n-no you
Nice argument kikestain :^)

>>132305821
> Donald Trump just posted another shitpost reddit video. Does this guy have anything better to do with his life? Hard to believe that Kike Pence....

>>132305821
....and Paul Ryan will put up with this much longer. Perhaps Israel will put a heavy move on Donald Trump and end this nonsense once and for all!

>>132314165
you dont seem to get my reasoning
in north eastern syria kurdistan de-facto all ready exists under the name ROJAVA
this is why i support rojava cuz just through its existence it acts as a beacon for other kurdish nationalists in the region
ROJAVA is the "proto-kurdistan" so to speak
even if for the next few years ROJAVA stays at its current size its still an important step

(b t w not sure why you replied to this post i was talking bout the ethics of the commune CATalonia free-territory shinmin etc)

>>132314383
an argument to your non-argument is in poor taste, i do admit, but with you i have no point in being concern trolled with such things

>>132313475
The absolute state of the PYD.
>Confused middle-aged woman
>Saddam's younger brother
>The company twink
>Talan the tweaker

>>132298577

girl in black is most def waifu, you and I have similar tastes Opel.

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>>132314722
>kikestain throwing buzzwords around
wew

>>132313475
t b f even i think the PYD is a little shitty/cringy/stupid
specially with their "muh brave women soldiers" prop

Y P G
P K K

>>132314505
yeah but the 6 % of the syrian population that are the syrian kurds don't deserve 1/3 of syria.

and there is no way in hell turkey is going to let that happen. rojava have already said they dont want independence. plus, there are assyrians, and arabs who have a far better claim to that land.

if they change their minds and say they want independence, that will mean that syria and turkey will unite and go to war with them. and that means iran will join in too.

so no, it does not exist defacto.

Hey guys what do y'all think of Baluchi separatists in Pakistan?? Apparently they hail from Aleppo way back in the day? Syria's lost tribe perhaps?

I saw a video of them BTFO Pakistan troops a few years back attacking paki train

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRGd5BCR-Yo

>>132315248
sorry i meant to add "it exists de-facto a t m"
still would be nice if they could get like an autonomous zone something within syria (no not the entirety of the land they currently control) where they can still practice ther democratic confederationist systems and have there kurdish nationalist region but with it all on paper still being part of syria
i think that would be the best outcome for the situation

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>>132313316
REMEMBER THE 6 BAZILLION ASSYRIANS

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https://twitter.com/AlDorarAlShamia/status/881908493846024192

>Roaches and Kurds BTFO

>>132315524
they will probably get some limited autonomy.
but that alone may be too much for the turks.
the worst case scenario is that turkey takes northern syria as it's own. which it may do in the event of a potential festering hotbed of terrorism on it's border.

the rational long view for kurds is to remain loyal to syria, who will view them more favourably that the turks, take the concessions offered to them by assad, and start a long journey to nationhood not founded on armed conflict.

from a timing perspective, the right time was at the end of ww1. right now turkey is rising as a regional power, the kurds are not a match for them.

>>132313499
Communism is Communism. There is no need for argument.

>>132309666
>sure
He's the only shill

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>>132312088
>of course id support that as long as they stay dedicated to democracy freedom justice and equality as they have up till this point

I like the Kurds but just fuck off man. This naive idealism is retarded.

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>>132315996
true if huge

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>>132315996
>https://twitter.com/AlDorarAlShamia/status/881908493846024192
Without Afrin what will allergy sufferers do?

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>>132316848
>allergy sufferers

I don't understand.

>>132316465
Communism itself does not, has not and cannot exist.
People who want to be communists do exist. Communism, as a fantasy, for people who want what cannot yet be ( a form of socialised ownership of the means of producton ) , is dangerous. However, ultimately, the time will come when it will be possible ( ai makes a socially owned means of production possible ), but that time is not now.
Communism is a future. We do not know what it entails in practical terms, thus all attempts to define it are a fantasy. It would be like expecting a 12th century baron to describe the modern capitalist economy and democracy and socialist principles.

>>132316952
It's #1 doctor and pharmacist recommended

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>>132316952

>>132316952
https://www.afrin.com/

>>132315996
thats the cleverest thing the kurds have done.
Bashar!

>>132317112
>>132317115
>>132317136

Forgot about that joke.

>>132316465
well considering half of the leaders of the paris commune were "mutualist" (believes in freedom and capitalism and collectivism)

CATalonia was "AN-SYN" which is an entirely different ideology then marxist-communism branching off of mutual-ism and the union movement and a democratic resistance to a ineffective corrupt republic and a facist coup

free territory despite its leftist philosophical stance and its alliance with the R.S.S.R never claimed to be communist or "an-com" and had a fair chunk of Ukrainian nationalists living their who disliked german and russian rule

shinmin wasnt communist at all it was almost entirely run by korean nationalist and war migrants exiled from korea in an attempted genocide

so no at most TWO of those (CATalonia and ukraine) were even similar to communism and in the case of ukraine had a large nationalist sect of the pop supporting them
half the communes leadership was proto AN-CAP so that rules them out for being commies
and shinmin didnt even have a economic/social policy asides from korean nationalism

so no they werent "commies"

>>132317109

Except we do know what it means in practical terms, gulags and mass starvation

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>>132317109

Wouldn't an super-smart AI just take over and do whatever the fuck it wants?

>>132315996
And manbij too.
Hopefully no armed American convoys will break these negotiations up again like last time

Is there anywhere to get reliable info on the war for things that happened before April of 2016? Wordpress doesn't go back very far

>>132315996
>>132316743


Unconfirmed so far, leave it be. Until confirmed in full

>>132317364
>inb4 "ASSad personally gasses six gorillion babies in Afrin"

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>>132317287

Almost all the communists states were just nationalists with a lot of nationalized industry.

Post-scarcity, classless communism is a pipe dream.

Also do you guys have more images of Soviet Union vs Western Degeneracy?

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https://youtu.be/Beb6QCgJZAQ?t=4m12s

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>>132317493

I also have this one but I cannot find the most common one.

>>132317493
>most communist states were really nationalists with nationalized industry
i know i was talking bout anarchist "states"/experiments/societies not commie ones
>post-scarcity classless communism is a pipe dream
i agree for the next hundred years till tech becomes really advanced at least till then its impossible
>more soviet vs western "communist" memes
sorry mate no

good morning sg

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>>132317768
>REE id

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>>132317700

I think the technology is already advanced enough to create some form of classless society in which everyone fulfills their needs.

The problem is that it's basically impossible to organize since humans are too chaotic and self-centered. Any hierarchy would corrupt itself.

Question for you long time /sg/ posters. What are you views on immigration? I've been lurking on and off in /sg/ since at least Kobane but it's gotten to me that it feels like people in here have lost their original /pol/ political leanings. So, /sg/, do you feel like you've changed your opinion on immigration or Islam? Do you still hold deus vult ideas, see Assad as the best choice of Syria, but couldn't care about letting the Syrians immigrate to your countries?

>>132317299
yeah, but no
u cant have communism without having had international socialism first. and you will have had to have had it for centuries. only then could you be communist according to the definition of marx's analysis.

on the memesplaining/bants level, however, we could point to guantanamo and cia black sites as the gulags, and the growing poverty in the US as mass starvation waiting to happen (the potential for mass starvation in its nascent form).

>whose the communist now huh?

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>>132317768
>>132317580
>>132317109
>>132313283
>>132300398


Night guys, hoping for gainz tomorrow I'm about ready to hit the hay, gonna clean my shot gun first and hang my hat from varmint shooting on the porch pic related.

>>132318081
>original /pol/ political leanings

Fuck off.

Although I think immigration is missing the real issue. What causes immigration from places like Central America and the Middle East is war and poverty, and that's often the result of very stupid wars and neoliberalism.

>>132318176
Nice
Good night amribro

>>132317317
depends. you have to give it boundaries.
but ai doesn't behave like we expect it to.
so we would want to be clear to set some boundaries for it, and know more or less what it must do. ai is like spellcheck-on-the-next-level. you use it to automate the boring stuff.

you don't have to write an ai that will try to dominate the species. but someone probably will.

>>132318081
Immigration is not the poor peoples fault. Refugees and immigration should be accepted in western society. No longer can we as a society ignore the plight of those in need when we are capable of providing for them. Islam as well is perfectly compatible with western society and there's really nothing wrong with it.

>>132318253
>fuck off
When /sg/ was in its infancy the plurality obviously would hold general /pol/ beliefs, that's just obvious.

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>Syrian refugee Iman Hassoun graduated russian middle school with gold medal
>our refugees vs (You)rs

>>132318176
gn

I also off. later.

>>132318253
Those all contribute to immigration, but the real issue is that we are too weak to tell them no. A real border cares not for the crisis outside it.

>>132318336

If you make anything smart enough to handle human problems it will probably develop sentience on accident.

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>>132318395

Ok I said I was gonna sleep but this faggotry right here is making me want to take my 12 gauge to your brain.

GTFO with moralism, if you love them so much YOU take them in and don't force anyone else to do so. That includes my tax money!

>REEEEEEE

>>132318550
Most crises are the fault of the societies that turtle themselves like the USA and europe. If they're going to create those problems in the world they should also be willing to provide for those that are affected.

>>132294444
this and they have oil?
we're gonna have to make a /qg/ now

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>>132318550

Most of the immigrants in the USA come from Asia. You are getting tricked by the Jews to vote for their puppets under false pretenses.

>>132318644
Don't worry I vote according to my morals and principles and hope to one day elect a government that has a heart big enough to provide for those who seek shelter from the storm.

>>132297696
cringe flag

>>132318493
>our mudslimes and rapefugees are FUCKING BASED, checkmate westerners

>>132318793

so you WANT to be Europe in it's current crisis?

>>132318655
A society detached from its neighbors doesn't cause crises in its neighbors countries. If you're not interacting with your neighbors, the worst that can come of it is animosity leading to war in the most extreme case - but that doesn't mean that lack of interaction can lead to you being the cause of their internal problems.

>>132318655
US policy is retarded because it is conducted for the sole benefit of Israel and KSA. The European states want NATO gibs, but there's no such thing as a free launcher.

>>132318690
There are no anti-Jewish candidates on the ballot. That's why only about half of eligible voters vote.

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>>132318925

your muslims are fucking cockroaches, don`t forget this

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>>132318793

Forcing everyone to pay for your personal social justice crusades is very moral of you... Fuck people like you, not doing anything about the problem and wanting government to fix it. Fucking parasite!

>>132319063
>crisis
Hardly a "crisis", its being overblown for political purposes and the jew elite to manipulate you into being xenophobic against mostly normal people who only want a better life.
>>132319069
Nah cancerous "american first" policies ignore the plight of neighbors at their expense creating huge refugee and immigration problems. Nations like the USA are reaping what they're sowing, the refugees and immigrants don't bother me any though.

so, who won the footy?

>>132319300

>>132319230
>baiting this hard
The government created the problem so yes I expect them to provide for those in hardship because of the governments policies.

>>132319268

jeez, you're trolling is so loopy, it's hard to respond to, you'll have to try better. I'm bored and I want something to talk about, but you're trying too hard.

>>132319172
Idlibstani rapefugees are no better, don't forget this

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>>132319363

You're literally retarded if you think government will fix the problems it makes.

>>132319449
How about making an argument would be a starter? I understand if you disagree or are overwhelmed by the scope of the topic but seriously, don't bother responding if you're just going to attack me.

>>132319363
>implying the goverment structures in place can fix systemic problems they themselves cause sometimes by just existing
plz stop

>>132319521
It wont by itself, thats why you elect the people who can fix the problems. A non interventionist with a strong pro-immigration policy would be a huge step in the right direction to improving the image of the USA and providing for the people affected by past policy.

>>132319593
see:>>132319635

>>132319268
>America first
>Hey let's just use our own resources and labour instead of building up the industry of other countries for the benefit of profit towards multinational conglomerates
Yeah of course that's going to hurt the potential growth of other countries, but they can build themselves. It's not your own countries business to prop up other unstable countries because they suck at governance.

>>132319693
I'm not sure what you're referring to specifically but american first foreign policy has led to the mindless destabilization of many foreign countries causing familes from all over the world to be displaced. (vietnam, korea, middle east, afghanistan, africa, south america) Those policies directly benefited the rich corporatists within the country at the expense of foreigners. Encouraging industry like oil and coal in the USA isn't a good strategy either though tbqh.

>>132319635
>implying voting isnt just a floor show
>a non interventionist with a pro-immgration policy would be a step in the right direction
you already got your "non-interventionist" and he lied to you and went back on every promise
say it with me

V O T I N G
D O S E N T
W O R K

>>132319523

Cultural ghettos destroy the fabric of any culture or society, no matter where they are found. Millions of refugees, without the means of integrating into said society, are per-disposed to creating these ghettos or joining them so they have something to anchor their lives to. This is the situation that they find themselves in Europe. No country can afford having mass immigration without this process, as well as a strict vetting process.

>>132320008
I didn't vote for Trump and do not support him Bernie Sanders would have been perfect and thats why they wouldn't let him take power and until a socialist uprising occurs I'll keep trying the peaceful way.

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>>132320105

>Bernie Sanders

literally jewish puppet, in the grim of darkness there is only Tulsi Gabbard

>>132320008

Voting works when you are also a proactive member of society and the electorate. expecting solutions to appear out of thin air without participation and expecting a government to do it for you is as foolish as believing in communism.

>>132319635
almost all of the problems will still have are from unelected officials though

>>132320032
>Cultural ghettos destroy the fabric of any culture or society, no matter where they are found.
citation needed
>Millions of refugees, without the means of integrating into said society, are per-disposed to creating these ghettos or joining them so they have something to anchor their lives to.
That's why they need to be cared for through programs and integrated quickly through education systems. This can be done if theres enough thought put into it.

>>132319909
America first policies are the investment into internal resources and infrastructure over the investment into foreign resources and infrastructure. Interventionist policies led to the destabilization of foreign countries, not America first policies.

>>132320197
Nah she got very cozy with Trump at one point, she can't be trusted to not compromise with the right wing. People only like her because she's pretty.

>>132320245
I don't think you understand that interventionist policies are directly related to "america first" policies. Past administrations would do anything to get a piece of the pie in energy resources or drugs or raw materials. It's imperialism and it only puts the interests of america first.

>>132320215

>>citation needed

ok, you first for your the first 5 posts you made full of garbage bullshit.

>>muh jews controlling Europe preventing immigration
>>muh america first is bad and my feels hurt

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>>132320296

FASCIST ESCORTS TO SYRIA

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>>132320503

wrong pic blya

>>132320105
>sanders would have been perfect
>what is controlled opposition
>what is just fucking lying

once your """""representitive""""" democracies reach their latest stages it becomes impossible for any true change within society to occur this is why i believe a "democratic confederationist" or even swiss "direct democracy" system is far superior

>>132320210
im not a communist and like isaid above i just believe voting is worthless within our current """"representative""""" democracy (A.K.A oligarchy with a floor show for the plebs)

if we lived i a "direct democracy" or "confederationist" system id be happy to participate in voting politics etc
but up until then there is no reason to participate in a system built for oligarchy rigging and floor shows

>>132320215

>>That's why they need to be cared for through programs and integrated quickly through education systems. This can be done if theres enough thought put into it.

No country can afford this at the level your talking about. It would cripple their economies and drive people to nationalism, which is clearly what you're trying to prevent,

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>>132317109
>>132317287
10 metric tons of butthurt

>>132318081
I wish Trump were actually a Hitlerian puppet dictator serving Russia.

>>132320296
>People only like her because she's pretty.

welcome to women in politics

see all the camwhores being spammed on /pol/ day after day? it's not because they're disseminating sage political advice

>>132307881
>be an isis fighter
>stare out at the river
>know death is a few blocks away

>>132320399
What are you talking about, are you drunk? point to specifics if you want me to elaborate.
>>132320503
>>132320546
Yeah she's very shady, I don't think she could survive a political campaign on the national stage.
>>132320585
>what is controlled opposition
>what is just fucking lying
Based on what evidence? He has a strong voting record which is what I go off of, Trump didn't have a track record. Which is why I didn't trust him and was proven right. I strongly feel that sanders would have made a lot of strong changes which is why they wouldn't let him take office.

>>132320546

how the fuck else are you going to get there?

>>132320627
You're so wrong though, if the military budget for the USA was put into programs like that for immigration and refugee integration they would easily afford it.

>>132320690
Yup, same reason why JIDF shills IDF qts

>>132320673
>10 tons of butthurt
>explaining some facts about the examples i gave without any name calling or acting salty
>"butthurt"
kay

>>132320197
>open boders gun grabber
What are you smoking Ivan?

>>132320930
>muh guns!
>muh borders!
put up the confederate flag and larp as a redneck instead it fits you better

Are we gonna have ISIS hunt?

I miss the one were we drawed a map collaboratively and looked for the the house blueprint someone made.

March on this year.

>>132320690

People like her because she actually has guts.

>>132320998
Not an argument.

>>132320911
>oh look you got another pair
HALP

>>132321056
All civilized countries have banned guns and have a dramatic decrease in murder rates.
Draconian border control only stop people who want to contribute to your economy and make a better life for themselves. God knows America needs more people willing to work and not be a fat ass.

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qatar supports the muslim brotherhood, the muslim brotherhood is a threat to the saud family

>>132321162
Still not an argument. One of the good reasons for Assad staying in power (and for USA to not intervene in the Middle-East) is to prevent destablization and the flow of refugees/immigrants. Taking the peoples guns away is also a no-no which has a higher chance of leading to less freedom in the future.

>>132292170
>>132321312
(reply to you)

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>>132321162
Civilization ended in 1914. We're just watching the last embers go out.

>>132321162
ok please stop dude
if you read some of my posts you would probably realize im certainly not a reactionary but confiscating the peoples guns is nothing short of ridiculous
if you confiscate the peoples weapons what thhe fuck stops some tankie from co-opting the gov and destroying all your "liberal achievements"

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>>132321312
wtf I love the Muslim Brotherhood now.

>>132321324
>Taking the peoples guns away is also a no-no which has a higher chance of leading to less freedom in the future.
>i might be dead but muh freedumbz
I agree about Assad preventing destabilization but that has nothing to do with US border control.

>>132303614
such a good series with a god tier OP

>>132320810

Their military is how the US got those advantages. I'm not going to say it's moral, but the way they privatized major tech that we use as our infrastructure today is from US military spending from decades ago. Having inventions that help people improve their lives and increase the standard of living across the world is better than trying to fix their problems here.

Culturally countries will grow up as they are forced to adapt to new tech or be left behind. I agree with you that interventionism is a terrible and outdated policy that has been proven to be broken time and again. Syria will be better off when reconciliation agreements are made (and they already are) so people can go back home to relative peace and prosperity instead of being forced to live in another country to get by.

Your progressive feels policy is how we hurt ourselves. culture has to change generation to generation. forcing the issue will only divide a country.

>>132321390
>but confiscating the peoples guns is nothing short of ridiculous
Except its worked everywhere its been tried, go look up the statistics on gun crime in Australia before and after confiscation.
>guns will stop the government
murrica's shotguns wont do shit to drones and tomahawk missiles. Sorry to break it to you.

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>>132321390
>war and politics is about using small arms to fight against imaginary tyranny.

>>132321590
If you think the side with the coolest toys wins you haven't been paying attention.

>>132321630
lol
I think America has proven that it's not mature enough to handle firearms anyways. How many times do we see people killing themselves taking a selfie or cleaning their gun? It's fucking ridiculous and if it werent for cancerous organizations like the NRA they would have been banned decades ago.

>>132321039

she's a traitor whore

>>132321469
You still haven't proven why America needs refugees/mass immigration. America has proven that it can function without them and that less immigrants leads to less likely hoods of tensions.

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>>132321938

>* Informed sources say that the US aircraft carrier George Bush, anchored outside the port of Haifa, has dropped a plane using a system to intercept Israeli aircraft from the city of Haifa The media in Israel claimed that "2 hijackers flown by Israelis from the coast in Haifa, Toward the aircraft carrier, disappeared and did not return to their owners.

https://nzivnet.com/brief/9912

hmm

translation is somewhat unclear, perhaps. not even sure what's being reported here

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ITT commie shills that need to be gassed