Dixie Thread

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>>132279526

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You would think the photographer would have offered General Lee a comb for that hat hair. Jesus.

I watched Cold Mountain recently. Jesus that fucking Crater scene. Wish there were more ACW movies with battle scenes that hellish.

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>>132279404
MISSISSIPPI REPORTING

BEST FLAG REPORTING

>>132279404
i love dixie desu

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South Carolina checking in.

>No Texan flag

>>132279404
Georgia reporting, down with the eagle and up with the cross!

god damn chigger bites all over my ankles
lazy boomer father needed help mowing his lawn and the grass was knee high
fuck doing any work in July Virginia weather

>>132281755
>No Texan Flag

I bet a Californian Mod did this.

>>132279404
>lmao let's import niggers guise!
>there's no need to industrialize, nothing bad will ever happen
>lets kill hundreds of thousands of white people to remain a minority in our own states!
Fags.

t. Maryland

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>>132281755
this

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Tennessee in the vicinity.

>>132283134
shoo shoo Yank

>>132283134
Maryland wanted to join the Confederacy but got put under martial law by Lincoln. Also TN reporting in. Also importing niggers stopped before the war.

>>132283439
Except I actually have a traceable lineage going back to 1st Maryland Calvary unlike most sharecropper fags and northern reconstruction transplants larping as Southerners.

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The South will rise again!

>>132282058
I got legs full of em too. Some on my balls. Not cool.

>>132283779
of course you wouldn't lie on the internet.

>>132284112
>lying about a unit no one even knows about
Go back to New England / Ireland faggot.

>>132284287
Why would it be important if no one even knows about it?

>>132284287
nigger anyone can google that kinda shit, why don't you fuck off back to your shithole of a state instead of coming in here, shitting on the South and then going "!00% Cavalry heritage." I'm calling bullshit and really don't give a fuck in either case.

>>132283843
And get their drunk inbred asses beat the fuck down, just like the last time.

>A "patriot" who brought a revolver to Gettysburg National Military Park Saturday amid rumors of desecration of memorials accidentally shot himself in the leg Saturday.

http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/07/patriot_shot_in_leg_gettysburg.html

These are the guys with all the guns that the alt-right thinks will protect them. LOL!

>>132284438
>why does lineage matter
because he's larping as a southerner when he has no lineage like most niggers and poorfag sharecroppers.

>>132284483
>no southern lineage
>f...fuck off Yankee!
lmao

If only Yankees knew how animalistic niggers really are

>>132284525
anything happen with antifa at the reenactment this weekend? or did they back off?

>>132284622
whatever man, I'm not going to shit this up going back and forth with your ass, by the way, I wasn't making it some kind of Southern heritage purity match. I'm a bastard, a military brat so I don't belong anyone but I was born in Florida and the farthest north I've ever been was Great Lakes for boot camp, spent my whole time in Virginia and then went back to the state I spent middle and high school in, so yeah, maybe I'm not as purebred as you but dammit I'm passionate so fuck it if it don't count as something. Sorry, for maybe flying off the handle, I was trying to be funny with my first response.

>>132283779
Actually I can trace my lineage to the earliest days of Virginia and North Carolina then after my family served in the Revolution they became some of the first settlers of West TN. My ancestors served for both the Union and Confederacy and I like to honor both of their legacies. I can't say I'm familiar with the 1st Maryland Cavalry but I respect your lineage.

I'm ready when you guys are.

>>132281379
where in MS?

>>132283134
Maryland would have joined the South if we had won you know

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YEE YEE

its amazing how you retards like to worship losers

yes the confederacy lost, which means they are losers

>>132283779
well then you are a disgrace to your ancestors

>>132286577
America lost the Vietnam War

losers

>>132286577
Dixie is more than just the Confederacy brother. Perhaps one of the most well known aspects but far from the only one.

you southern rednecks inbreds are a disgrace to white nationalism

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i hate nupol, memeflags and these larping threads so much

>>132286873
And you're a disgrace to proper civilization.

>>132287123
What do you have against Dixie threads?

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Hand over the sweet tea and nobody gets hurt.

>>132287461

dixies are niggerlovers and thanks to them america is 50% white

Texas here
>>132279404
Based Russia said they'd back Texas in any secession effort. You're great.
>>132279526
Dixie songs are best songs.

>>132287608
America's white decline comes from illegal mexicans not niggers though

>>132287620
I like how both sides would make their own version of songs. Battle Cry of Freedom is a great example of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CZiOKMJpLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz6Jk8RttlE

>>132287620
post some then my dear texbro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5xdgYLuFCk

>>132287877

Also here, Union version of the above song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My1SzxWP_0k

The Irish owned the war musically.

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Northern Florida reporting in!

To hell with the 3th of July. And fuxk independence day.

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>>132287620
>based russia

Of course he would. A divided America is good for Russian interests.

>>132283134
>He doesn't even know his own history
The south made a lot of mistakes. We admit that. But we accept them, and we love our ancestors, what they did, and what they fought for. I don't hate you. I feel bad for you. Maryland is friend. To arms in Dixie.

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>>132288065

Fuck i hate typing on my phone.


Seccession when, though, brothers? When do we finally say enough?!

>>132288006
I love both of those versions too.

>>132288065
Even the Confederacy celebrated the 4th of July because they were proud of their ancestors who fought in the Revolution. Many of my own ancestors were part of the Revolution either as soldiers or as men who provided supplies to the army.

>>132279404
Much love from the Lone Star State, based Vodka-bro

>>132288118
Russian Empire supported the Federal government though

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>>132288377

I wonder how many of them celebrated after.

Descendant of 8th Georgia Infantry checking in.

Do you guys think European white nationalists really respect American Dixie/Southern pride folk?

>>132287608
>dixies are nigger lovers
>had them as slaves
>lynched them
>jim crow laws
Just off yourself mongol

>>132288479
Alexander II was a very forward thinking man of his time. That said I think he had more a mindset like the radical Republicans over Lincoln. Lincoln wasn't aiming for true emancipation. That said how he handled the issue of the serfs went far better than how slavery was handled here.

>>132288065
George Washington was a Virginian you dolt. The South was very proud of the American Revolution. In fact early on in the war they referred to it as the 2nd American Revolution.

>>132287608
>north freed the slaves
>its the souths fault

fuck off schlomo

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>>132288479

You fellas can still make things right, though. We just need a shit load of volunteer and guns. Putins good at that stuff. Write the homie a letter or hit him up in a tweet or something.

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someone say dixie thread?

>>132288065
Bay County fag here, fuck south florida. Was in St. Pete beach for a week a while ago and felt like I was in New York.

>>132288356
probably next time a democrat gets elected

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>>132279404
Can you guys rate this map I made?

Just found out painting maps is really cozy.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJuWszf4g_s

>>132288585

You clearly don't understand the character of Southerners if you think we give a flying fuck...

>>132288522
It varied from area to area as far as I can tell. Some southerners were so bitter about how things turned out they refused to hold celebrations while others continued to gladly enjoy it.

>>132288585
Varies is the shortest way to say it from what I've seen.

>>132288665
Washington was also the Confederate seal.

>>132288712
http://americanhistory.si.edu/blog/2014/09/3-surprising-facts-about-civil-war-general-william-tecumseh-sherman.html

>>132288585
yes i know they do

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>>132279404

>>132287877
>>132288006
USA is great. If the south won the war, I just hope the US and CS would be on good terms. Dixie thread are always country.

>>132288913
Sherman actually really hated that song. At one of the parades they played it so many times he basically had a meltdown.

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accept the rule of glorious New England, cletus

up with the union, may the christian lord smite the sweet tea slurpers

>>132288841
make kentucky, maryland and missouri confederate, also the southwestern territories and oklahoma

>>132288913
>killing fellow whites and simultaneously freeing niggers (that you originally brought here) to run rampant across our country
great job yank

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>>132288665

>hurr durr muh ancestors.

Do them the real honor and justice and finish their fight snd cause. Don't celebrate with their/our conquerors some holiday that is meant to represent " our freedom ".

Do you think the citizens of Vicksburg celebrated the holiday day the seige of their city ended? Do you think they went " thankfuk for my freedom " when union troops marched through the rubble of the city and left them to eat shoe leather and rats?

If you otherwise just wanna get fucked up and blow fireworks up, have at it.

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>>132288707
I really wish we did support you guys back then... The British and the French would have helped wreck Lincoln and his cutthroats then...

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>>132288802

NBF made this for me per request.

Made me feel all special

>>132289070
Honestly if the south won both the USA and CSA probably would've just been dragged into more conflicts by Europe and wreck our nations even more. That might be one of the only positives about the union winning really.

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>>132289132
I bet when you BTFO cletus once you get sick of constantly hearing about it.

daily reminder based midwestern men btfo LARPing neo-nobility cavalier dixiecucks

>>132289174
Were they actually confederate? I thought they were just territories and didn't participate in the war?

>>132289141
The midwest was actually vehemently anti war during the war. They had a lot of issues out in Illinois and Indiana with a political group called the Butternuts that would totally have sided with the south if they weren't surrounded by the Union.

>>132286437
Gulf Coast

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>>132288827

I hope so.

>>132289132
Sherman was such an autist. A damned effective autist, but still an autist.

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>>132289229
>Jews disproportionatly slave traders
>Jews disproportionatly slave owners
>who was Judah Benjamin
>(((((we))))) brought them here even though southern states kept on lobbying congress against the banning

>>132289230
It isn't a holiday of our conquerors though. It's the celebration of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. The main writer of the Declaration was Thomas Jefferson, a southerner. Many Confederates were the descendants of the men who fought in the Revolution.

>>132289351
Makes me wish that al gore was right 15 years ago, I want that hellhole to go the way of atlantis. Also not all the coast is bad, the emerald coast up here in the panhandle is based, and has the most beautiful beaches. Probably because spics havnt got their hands on our pristine white sand. Also fuck the nigger containment zone known as Tallahassee

>>132289457
>>132289457
eh some of the midwest, midwestern men served disproportionately in Union Armies, also the Iron Brigade.

there were some copperheads around, but NYC was also super anti war.

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>>132289261

They at least built us a bunch of ships. And brazil and the coobans let us dock and chill out when we needed to. Then brazil and Mexico took in a bunch of our refugees/immigrants after the war.

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>>132281379
Biloxi MS reporting. Shame the other southern states caved in their flag designs. Im looking at you Georgia....

Are confederates cool with white Spaniards?

>>132289798
I live pretty close to you lol

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>>132289752
I heard there still is a Confederate community in Brazil

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>>132289691

If you join my seccessionist party we can remove south florida from the picture and burn most of tallahassee if you wanna.

FLAG SONGS:

Bonnie Blue Flag, under which the south gathered to protect South Carolina in early 1861.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pukKZIlTEDo

Dixie Cross (Better known as To Arms in Dixie, the National Anthem)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKMTu1GDi_w

Yellow Rose of Texas(Referring to the Texan Battle Flag)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArGlfEVYqM

If I find more I'll post em

>>132289904
How close? Hattiesburg?

>>132289989
Ocean Springs

>>132289873

Yes! Spaniard legion of the second american seccessionist war WHEN?!

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>dixiecucks got btfo by literal potato refugees

>>132289912

Yessir! The Confederados. They have a monument and everything :')

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>>132289873

I'm part Spanish, more people of Spanish descent served for the Confederacy than the Union by far. Remember Florida, Louisiana, and Alabama used to be Spanish possessions. See the Louisiana Tigers.

>>132290064
:)

>>132289873
Southerners back then loved pretty much all of Europe and felt more kinship with them than they did the North. Especially England and France.

>>132289916
is there an actual secessionist party or are you just LARPing? I would be all for it. North Florida is one of the best regions in the US, we cant let carpetbaggers and spics invade from the south, they will run out of space eventually. What county are you from anyways fellow floridian?

>>132289548
It's widely believe Stonewall Jackson had Asperger syndrome due to his quirks. Sherman likely had mental problems as well when you consider things like his famous breakdown earlier on in the war that he had to be relieved of command for awhile and during that time admitted to considering suicide and the newspapers were saying he went insane.

>>132289873
You're not exactly a huge majority overall in the south but in general as long as you're not an obnoxious leftist southerners like anyone from Europe.

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>>132290047
That is close. Well met fellow coastie.

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>>132290210
kek man all those crazy outfits that each side wore at first manassas were hilarious. The 146th New Yorkers LARPed as French-Algerians.

>>132289873
A good deal of Latin America backed the Confederacy. Your kids are cool.

>>132290455
>It's widely believe Stonewall Jackson had Asperger syndrome due to his quirks

I 100% believe that. Dude was weird as fuck. Reading Rebel Yell right now and he's an interesting character.

>>132290455
Actually to expand on what I said the local battlefield I work at gets a lot of European visitors, mainly from Britain and Germany but also other places. We also get a lot of visitors from Japan and China too. The Japanese especially got really excited when local reenactors shot some cannons and rifles for them.

>>132290713
Fuck Latin America.

>>132290599
Is that Fort Massachusetts?

Been years since I've been out to ship island.

>>132290095
Irish regiments on both sides. One of My great great great grand-dad was a poor Irish guy who came over to escape the famine and as soon as he arrived was given a rifle and told to fight for the confederacy.

>>132289873

Also can't forget Texas.

>>132290850
Yeah on a clear water water day. With all the rain we've been getting its pretty murky right now. Was out there today.

>>132291073
literally one national guard unit in Missouri

>>132290680
I know at Shiloh the Union got a batch of southern unionist recruits and they were so fresh they weren't even given uniform and were fighting in civilian clothes which caused some confusion during the battle.

>>132290819
Yeah Stonewall was a genius but he was extremely weird as well as extremely zealous to his Presbyterian faith.

>>132291073
Irish were unlucky bastards. Union and Confederacy usually threw the Irish into some of the roughest situations in the war and excused it with "Well they're just Irish."

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpVIOxBhUMk

Do y'all suppose the South will ever rise again? I sure would like to be free from new york and california politics.

>>132288802
>>132289691
>>132289916
>>132290309

>Hating on South Florida & /masterrace/ Cubans

Stay mad Panhandle nigs

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Captain Michael Philip Usina (1840–1903) - was a member of the Confederate States Navy. He was born in St. Augustine, Florida, to Spanish parents. As Captain of several blockade runners, Usina managed to avoid capture on his many successful missions. Usina fought in Co. B in the 8th Georgia Infantry of the Confederate Army before being transferred to the Navy. He was wounded and captured in the Battle of Manassas, but managed to escape and reach the Southern lines.

>>132291184
I miss going out to islands. Haven't really gone since I moved back after college. Don't have a boat to get out there on.

I'll be getting one someday though, it's just not that high on my priority list at the moment.

And yeah. Wasn't this past June supposedly the rainiest in a century or some nonsense like that?

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TN checking in

>tfw north alabama unionist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jREUrbGGrgM


always remember the Tannehill raid traitor scum

>>132291521
Im not sure, cindy added quite a bit to the count.

>>132291442
fuck off south florida is a shithole of degeneracy. Basically the california of the East with less industry and shittier beaches. North Florida is a white paradise with basically no new yorkers or spics. My home of Bay County is over 85% white and most of those whites are southerners. Dont call us niggers when your multiracial hellhole of a region is the laughing stock of north florida

>>132291567
Hello fellow TN brother!

>>132291678
I had several unionist ancestors that joined a Union regiment in the extremely Confederate side of TN. Union command praised the regiment quite a few times for being excellent scouts and for their bravery in battle even when outnumbered and their northern allies refusing to aid them.

>>132284525
go prep your bull cuck

>>132279404
Alabama reporting in. First White House of the Confederacy

>>132283779
I can trace my lineage to a knight that fought at the Battle of Hastings in 1066, doesn't mean shit.

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>>132291808
>The laughingstock of North Florida
>North Florida laughing at anyone

Top kek

>>132292191
That's pretty rad honestly. The furthest I've gotten I've found I'm related to a British lord and to a man that's on the Anglican calendar of saints. I'm also distantly related to the famous Marriott and Browning families although it's really fucking distant since none of my family or even closer distant family are Mormon.

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Texas checking in.

The South will rise again!

Death to globalist scum.

>>132292054
Same, couple of my ancestors launched a pro-union insurgency in north Alabama and blew up some ammo dumps and shit

ngl we got BTFO by Forrest's cavalry though

>>132292722
hillbilly scum

>>132292722
Forrest captured the regiment my ancestors were in and sent them to Andersonville. Unlucky for them nothing made Forrest angrier than Tennessee unionists so he broke his promises in the surrender and let his men steal everything the regiment owned. By the time they reached Andersonville other regiments noted they didn't even have clothes on their back and were having to eat and drink with their hands and bury themselves for warmth. In the end though a lot of those Confederates ended up needing the unionists have the war because often times the only people with any money at all were the unionists getting pensions from the government.

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>>132292959
>serving rich faggot plantation lords who use nigger labor

true cuck, us mountainmen stand with America

>>132293060
interesting, I think my ancestors ( my super great grandfather and his brother) just joined up with the union army later I dont think they were captured

>>132289413
kentucky and missouri tried to secede but weren't successful. missouri had a rebel govt attempt to take over that got exiled. still, both states were claimed confederate states by the confederacy.

>>132293192

Most of the founding fathers were "rich faggot plantation lords", retard.

>>132292959
North Alabama (Wintson County) were fucking poor-ass dirt farmers. They didn't care cause they didn't fucking have anything except 5 acres of mud and some feral pigs.

>>132279404
Daily reminder that the majority of citizens in the South did not want to succeed. But since the Slave owning elites controlled the state houses their voices were unheard.

These board claim they are anti-elite. But you show your true colors and carcass ass holes with almost every post.

For the love of God read a book. I mean, What The Fuck?

>>132293554
Uh. have any proof, OP?

t. my great-grandfather owned a plantation ouside of Etowah County, Alabama that was very lucrative and he did treat his slaves very well.

>>132293554

There was widespread support for secession throughout the deep south. Like, read a book.

Old missus married will the weaver, william was a gay deceiver ! Look away ! Look away Look away ! Dixie Land
Oh when he put his arms round her, smiled as fiere as a forty pounder ! Look away ! Look away Look away ! Dixie Land

>>132293370
Many served the union in other capacities but the regiment my ancestors were in is interesting. They weren't really in any particularly important battles but the scouting, spying, and interfering with Confederate supply lines made them extremely valuable to Grant and in a way they indirectly helped give victory for Grant in key battles due to this. I know in this book I own there's Confederate reports where they're complaining about how these unionists know every road and trail better than they do and are aiding the northerners to disappear and reappear.

>>132281684
>crescent moon
what did they mean by this?

>>132293505
Indeed, but by 1860 that was no longer the case.

Jefferson wrote often about the need for a yeoman farmer class instead of large planter estates.

>>132293554
this, fuck planters and their supporting cuck artistan class

yeomanry not neo-nobles ok praise Lincoln

>>132279404
Thread's Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OKdbc0DYpM&index=1&list=RD5OKdbc0DYpM [Embed]

Union:
>cucks trying to free the BBC
>soldiers are unarmed city faggots
>president is a crooked asshole who thinks he's above all laws
>3% slave-owners somehow turn all southerns into all racist sexist xenophobes to be exterminated like nazis in their eyes
>against the law seizes the court of Maryland to stop them from voting their constitutional right to secede
>basically Antifa

Dixie:
>based southern boys who could handle a gun
>wanted freedom from federal government
>somehow turned into racists by (((historians)))
>fought without half the resources against the entire country
>still put up a hell of a fight being invaded by the federal army

Why does /pol/ want another Civil War if the good guys always lose to the cucks and crooks in the end?

>>132293878
It's actually a gorgot.

>>132293554
You're half correct. The Deep South is where secessionist feelings were strongest while states like Tennessee and Virginia was more heavily divided by the issue. However secessionists weren't exclusive to rich plantation owners and on the other hand there were rich southern aristocrats who decided to stand for the union even if it meant costing them slavery.

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>>132294050
how come the southern states weren't allowed to abolish slavery as stated in the confederate constitution if it was so much about states rights you retard?

>>132294050
Half right although not entirely correct for either side.

>>132294155
The issue with that map is in many counties including my own there were secessionist mobs who would refuse to allow unionists in to vote and would physically harm those they found out that did.

>>132294155
LINCOLN SHILLS BTFO

>>132294353

That's not really helping your case. Mobs of people coming out in support of secession does not really indicate a lack of support for it.

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>>132279404

>when you realize we'd have literal World Peace if only Lee had heeded Longstreet's pleas to disengage and make his stand elsewhere

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>>132294353
What's not correct?

The (((UNION))) was a bunch of cucks trying to get money for the federal government and they wanted to raise tariffs because that was the only way to finance the Federal Government back in the day.

The South was unwilling to pay more taxes and were tired of Hillary Lincoln. So, like 1776, they started a war for freedom.

And guess what?

They lost, the tariffs rose, they lost their legitimate property (slaves) and Hillary Lincoln came up with the Federal Income Tax that exists to this day.

OH I WISH I WAS IN DIXIE, HOORAY, HORORAY, IN DIXIE'S LAND I'LL TAKE MY STAND.

>>132294605
I'm not saying there was a lack of support for secession. What I am saying is that map doesn't accurately indicate the amount of secessionists versus unionists when secessionists would block unionists from entering polling booths and would form mobs to attack local unionists if they attempted to.

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>>132294663

If Forrest had only been given overall command of the forces in the West....

>>132294826
Well lets break it down.

Union:
>cucks trying to free the BBC
This is wrong. Abolitionists were the only ones particularly interested in ending slavery. Even Lincoln and Grant wanted to send blacks to Liberia, the Dominican Republic, Panama, and other areas.

>soldiers are unarmed city faggots
Only half correct. Plenty of rural northerners and southerners joined the Union Army and plenty of them had weapons and weapon training.

>president is a crooked asshole who thinks he's above all laws
Correct

>3% slave-owners somehow turn all southerns into all racist sexist xenophobes to be exterminated like nazis in their eyes
Correct

>against the law seizes the court of Maryland to stop them from voting their constitutional right to secede
Correct
>basically Antifa
Wrong

Dixie:
>based southern boys who could handle a gun
Correct

>wanted freedom from federal government
Depends on the southerner and their idea of what this freedom entailed.

>somehow turned into racists by (((historians)))
Correct

>fought without half the resources against the entire country
Correct

>still put up a hell of a fight being invaded by the federal army
Correct

We don't really disagree that much but creating idiot lies about the Union just makes us all look dumber.

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>>132295132
Secession was strongest in South Carolina. They were also the only southern state not to raise a Union regiment in the war.

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>>132294939

Bingo

"There is no doubt we could soon wipe old Sherman off the face of the earth, John, if they'd give me enough men and you enough guns!"

>>132294939
Only Davis, Lee, and even Sherman himself agrees with you.

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watch out nazis, antifags are coming for you

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>>132290309

Im starting one up actually. Ideologically free so we get the most support we can, but we all know how north florida swinga.

Look for red shirt army here soon

>>132295386
>Though every slave state except South Carolina contributed white battalions to both the Union and Confederate armies (South Carolina Unionists fought in units from other Union states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_%28American_Civil_War%29
Hmmm, so that map is accurate and the claim of the average Southerner having different motives for fighting than slavery is true then?

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>>132295490

It's ridiculous how many times Forrest told his superiors exactly what they needed to do to win, they completely ignored him and it led to Confederate defeat. He was truly a man far ahead of his time.

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>>132295610

We aren't Nazis tho

Also Antifags are pussies who can't handle a fair fight. We have multiple anons from Berkeley who attested to this.

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Hail Florida!

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>>132295132
the dark ones are anti-secession. SC was where the secessionist mindset started so it makes sense theres no dark areas in it. Pretty sure that's where Preston Brooks was from too.

>>132295991

We're all Nazis to them.

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>>132295991

I'm pissing off as many as I can in Jacksonville in the name of Southern Nationalism/Florida Seccessionism, because I know none of them will ever actually stand up and fight me over the shit.

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>>132293878
it's actually just a repurposed turkish flag

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>>132296220

>>132295749
To clarify, all the Confederate state governments issued official documents describing their reasons for secession and they're all overwhelmingly about slavery, but of course governments can never be truly representative of all the people. Some Southerners could have been fighting for other reasons like economic policies Lincoln supported that would exploit the South, Georgia's declaration of causes for secession is the only to articulate economic exploitation. They all declared different reasons but they're all tied to slavery one way or another seeing as slavery was a large part of the Southern economy, but nonetheless some Confederate troops could have been fighting explicitly over economics and state's rights issues regardless of slavery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPiDqUB9k1I

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Bump for more dixie bros!

>>132296065
lol, duh. I'm stupid.

>>132296065

>Preston Brooks

He was from Roseland Plantation, South Carolina

The man had a pretty well established reputation for having a short fuze to say the least. He was booted from the University of South Carolina for threatening a police officer with a gun and was shot in the hip during a duel with Louis Wigfall (that's why he had a cane in the first place).

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Bumporoonie

>>132294155

Aren't anti-secession counties often very pro-Confederate in modern times because they're majority white?

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>>132296585

I read the blog of the guy who first introduced me to that flag on a weekly basis.

https://truthcrushedtoearth.blogspot.com/2014/09/we-just-want-to-be-left-alone.html

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Where are my florida Seccessionist bros at?

>>132279404
Come, all ye sons of freedom, and join our Southern band,
We are going to fight the Yankees, and drive them from our land!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agnz56OuG_E

>>132296370

Here's the problem with the everyone was fighting for slavery argument. Let's say initially that is 100% the reason everyone joined up in the Confederate Army. The initial
enlistments were only a small portion of the troops that eventually joined up. Federal troops started marching south burning buildings, destroying and stealing property, and killing those suspected of having anything to do with the Confederacy. Common sense tells you that is going to be huge motivator among the lower and middle classes to fight back against what they saw as a foreign force raping their homeland.

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Have you read his book yet, /dixie/?

>>132295749
Of course. This is why I think all people of Dixie have to fight both the ridiculous demonization of the Confederacy but also the rose colored glasses ridiculous romanticized Confederacy as well. The sooner we all have an understanding of the many motives of every southerner the further we'll get.

>>132295967
Oh Forrest was extremely genius and men like Patton were capable of refining his methods. Forrest is one of the most enjoyable figures to read about.

>>132296370
This. Aristocrats probably were just wanting to defend slavery but aristocrats weren't the only Confederates.

>>132296607
A mix between being white and the history of southern unionists have often been untold so many southerners aren't aware that not all parts of the south were pro-Confederate. Southerners take pride in their own so taking pride in the Confederacy is unsurprising. We erect statues to Lee just like we would Elvis or Johnny Cash.

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>>132296585
>>132296936

Is there any vendor who specializes in Antebellum flag?

I just love the unique character to all of them, even the pro-Union/abolitionist ones look beautiful.

>>132296936
Here! Seminole(Pinellas), FL here. I have the confederate flag with the official state of Florida seal in the middle. Love it!!

>>132295729
>>132296036
>>132296241

I love you too Florida bros! /Miami/ reporting in, when do we banish the eternal snowbird from our domains?

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>>132297310

I'm currently re-reading so I writefag some fanfiction about Sam Watkins and use it to spread subliminal pro-Confederate propaganda.

>>132296607

Honestly my experience from living in the South my entire life (Georgia and Alabama) is that map coincides closely with support for the Confederacy today. Below the fall line (south Georgia and Alabama) there is a lot more open display of Confederate flags and veneration of the Confederacy. I have no way to quantify this but that is just how it seems to me.

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>>132297381
>>132297545

We must stand together! United we must move as an ever growing force across the state.

Start up the red shirt army with me bros. I already have a few in jacksonville who are on board and a fella in orlando.

We are open to all ideologies ( save supremacist ) for as long as seccession and removal of the federal bastard.

I have a layout and another fella working on a spreadsheet.

>>132297803
My county voted against secession but we have a lot of Confederate veneration. I think a lot of it has to do with if an area has a battlefield and if any groups are attempting to preserve it.

>>132297624
I'm morbidly curious now. post some.

>>132297908

Email me if interested.

[email protected]

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>>132297803

It just seems to me that West Virginia for example is very pro-Confederate now despite the fact it was a hotbed for pro-Union sentiment during the war. One of the leading figures in the creation of West Virginia, John Jay Jackson, supposedly nearly came to blows with other members of the legislature during the secession debates

>>132297991

The other thing you have to consider is that there has been a lot of demographic shift in 150 years. I can trace my Confederate ancestry through both my maternal grandmother's family and maternal grandfather's family. My ancestor through my maternal grandfather that fought in the Civil War joined up in 1862 in a Georgia Infantry Regiment that was replacing it's losses in South Carolina. After the war he settled in what is now North Georgia, in Bartow County. An area that I believe voted against secession. So that is one example of a secessionist ending up in an area that previously was not very pro secession. Also you have to account for white flight. A lot of people who's families were probably pro-secession have moved north out of Atlanta into North Georgia to escape the expanding reach of negros.

>>132294121
Finally, someone else who knows this

>>132298868
Also a great point. I also think the lack of discussion on southern unionism in schools is another issue. I think plenty of southerners just assume their ancestors were Confederates when that isn't always the case.

>150+ years later and Confederate LARPers are still mad

Sherman is and will always remain a national hero.

>>132298981
neat. didn't know.

>>132299154
meant for >>132294121

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>>132299118
Sherman got the job done effectively but he was kind of a piece of shit and mediocre tactician honestly.

Hancock and Chamberlain are Union heroes.

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>>132299118
You all fucking hate us, but won't let us fucking leave. I don't give a damn about who your national hero is, baitboi.

You're all a bunch of cancerous leftwing faggots that won't just let us be left alone.

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>>132299118

>Yankeeboos have such poor knowledge of history that they fixate their pride on a pryromaniac depressive who held a low opinion of even himself rather than admiring a general who had actual talent.

Here, have one free, now go circlejerk to him for a change.

>>132299411
was he that music teacher who turned out to be a brilliant cavalryman?

>>132294155
based north alabama

fuck traitorous sesh

>>132299108

Another telling sign that sentiment had changed in the area was that Bartow county (in north Georgia) was named after the Col. Bartow who led the 8th GA infantry at 1st Manassas. My ancestor fought in the 8th GA and then ended up settling in the county named after his deceased Col. I have no proof but I feel like that must have something to do with why he chose to live there.

>>132299466

No, Barlow was a lawyer and wrote for New-York Tribune before the war.

It took a very personal toll on him too. His wife whom he married the day before he joined the Union got Anne Frank'd (Typhus) after she took care of him when he was grievously wounded in 1864. She was supposedly pregnant with their first child at the time too.

Only other Yankee who reduced me to near tears reading about the personal tragedy that befell him is Strong Vincent.

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My Dixie Normis

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>>132299346
>You're all a bunch of cancerous leftwing faggots that won't just let us be left alone.
Yep, I'm left wing for supporting an imperialist US policy. And remember who fired the first shot, and demanded you get all Federal property, and refused to pay your debts in the event of secession.
>>132299411
>Barlow
>Not the Rock of Chickamauga
Sherman is just the more infamous commander to Dixiefags
>>132299321
Sherman had to be a dick to end the war as soon as possible. Without destroying the little foodcrops and industry the south had the war would've dragged on much longer. Fun fact, hundreds of "Bummers" on the March to the Sea were actually Confederate deserters who, combined with the other Bummers, did more looting and rapes than the actual Union army.

>>132299779
neato, looks like I know who I'm reading up on after I'm finished with Rebel Yell.

I looked it up, I was thinking about Grierson.

Was Enoch Powell are guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeNdu0CVWVs

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>>132299154

Bump against JEWNITED STATES and ETERNAL YANKEE shills

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damn, sesh scum utterly btfo

>>132299466
That's Benjamin Grierson, another great Union general, though there were so few thanks to the Administration appointing political generals like Nathaniel Banks and other just downright ineffectual commanders like Pope and McClellan. Rosecrans was pretty poor too. It's amazing dixieboos fucked up as many times as they did given how poor the Union leadership was for the first 3 years of the war.

>>132299777
Even if that isn't a reason that's a really cool coincidence. I know after the war a GAR post was set up and named after the colonel my great-great-great grandfather was in but he never joined because he died before the post was made. The colonel was a good man though. Staunch unionist but both sides admired him being a true southern gentleman and after the war became a lawyer to help his former men get pensions and also became a Congressman and pleaded for leniency and aid for former Confederates. His dedication to helping everyone in the community no matter what side they supported actually ended up the opposite of what Forrest thought would happen so one time Forrest was wrong. I like to think the colonel put everyone being southerners and Americans over any old feelings from the war.

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>who was Judah Benjamin

yes, take pride that poor farmers fought for rich jew plantation owners who used nigger labor

reminder based Grant literally expelled the jews from Louisiana

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>>132300288
America, love it or leave it. Oh wait, you already tried!

>>132300092
Did Sherman's actions saved white America (whites from Union + CSA) for not prolonging the Civil War and for not having more causalities or is it (((some propaganda))) that I watched on the documentaries? Was it effective in stopping CSA war efforts?

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>>132295384
You're just looking desperate now nigger. You gotta do local organizing and get to know people in the community and go to events. You're never gonna grow your organization on 4pol alone.

>>132300526
Wasnt he the treasurer of the Confederacy?

hmm really makes u think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin

>>132296410
Mike? is that you?

>>132279404
Texan here. Why are you interested in the CSA Russbro?

>>132300829
>Was it effective in stopping CSA war efforts?

Extremely. problem was is that he went full scorched earth on the civvies. but that along with Vicksburg is what killed the southern war effort.

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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUAHAH

>Inhales Deeply

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>132300943

I Think I know the Mike you're talking about ( pictured in quoted ) but no this aint him. We did work together in the Florida LoS years back.

>>132284928
Perhaps the leaders of the South shouldn't have tried to settle the Western territories with a black work force.

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>>132281379
>Implying

>>132289798
Hancock county reporting

>>132300887
Yep. Yanks like to pretend only the south had Jews and that they totally didn't get endorsed by Karl Marx himself and was sent marxist volunteers or anything. Easier to just ignore the shitposting.

>>132291434
If the lefty riots get around twice as worse and California Secession becomes a very real possibility, then I could see an American schism with several regions seceding, and the CSA being reborn.

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>>132301193
kek, i'm the guy with the shield.

>>132301338
Marx opposed slavery and called the confederacy the pro-slavery rebellion while writing from london. you had hook-noses working in the top of your administration. Jews were disproportionately slave owners as well.

>marxist volunteers
lol

>>132289912
Rosalynn Carter has ancestors that were Confederados.

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My great great great great (great?) grandfather fire the first shot of the Civil war.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16710788

>>132292191
this

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Threadly reminder to ignore ETERNAL YANKEE shills AND that if you are not actively participating in your local southern Nationalist / seccessionist organization you are not only deadweight but also deadmeat.

Resist or be buried, my southern countrymen!

>>132289229
>fellow whites
Actually, kikes were disproportionately represented in the slave trade. In fact, nearly 50% of Jewish households in the South had slaves, while, for the average American, only about 1% owned slaves. Not only that, but leading up to the Civil War, most heebs were located in South Carolina - Charleston, to be specific, had the highest concentration. Gee, I wonder why they seceded first?

>>132295386
They pushed secession from 1816.
They 'bout damn near went to war in 1850.

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>>132301560

Kek thats pretty funny.

Godspeed and may we fight soon side by side for our freedom and nation!

>>132300829
>Was it effective in stopping CSA war efforts?
It was the final decisive factor that one the Civil War, though really that had been decided at Antietam, when the South threw away any chance at foreign recognition thanks to their strategic defeat and the Emancipation proclamation. The siege of Vicksburg also closed the Mississippi to the South and prevented Texas from sending reinforcements, material, food, etc. But Sherman's March won Lincoln re-election, which meant at least four more years of war, and the Souther economy and population couldn't support that. The Union had a higher casualty rate, but their population actually went up due to immigration from Ireland, Britain and Germany, while the South plummeted dramatically.

Ultimately it's the aristocratic plantation owners who kept importing hordes of niggers because they refused to pay poor white backwoodsmen to pick their cotton.

>>132282058
I read that as "nigger bites on my ankles"

>>132297310
I've got a copy. My wife's uncle is a private school history teacher in Atlanta that specializes in the Civil War. He always recommends Company Aytch as required reading.

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Bump

>>132301903
>Ultimately it's the aristocratic plantation owners who kept importing hordes of niggers because they refused to pay poor white backwoodsmen to pick their cotton.
Let's not beat around the bush here. By aristocratic plantation owners, you're talking about kikes, much like when people talk about the 1% nowadays, they're talking about the kikes.

Southerners don't want to admit that the Brother War is one of the many notable examples that Jews used a divide and conquer tactic against whites.

>>132282058
I constantly get bit by chiggers and ticks and stung by wasps and everything else. Wasp stung me the other day so hard my hand went numb the rest of the day.

>>132301903
Correction, the recapture of Atlanta won Lincoln re-election. The March to the Sea just proved the South couldn't even protect their interior, proving the ultimate futility of the war to the population who became extremely hostile towards Davis' continuation of the war.

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>>132301610
That's cool, Anon. Why did Edmund Ruffin get credit for doing the same?

Virginia here, anyone got the feels guy state pic for Virginia?

>>132302236
probs because he didn't kill himself like a bitch like Ruffin did

>>132302055
It is terrific reading. Elisha Rhodes' diary is about the closest thing to it for the Union side, but Watkin's style of writing is far better.

>>132302236
After the election of Abraham Lincoln as president in 1860, Ruffin traveled to South Carolina, where he had previously worked as an agronomist, hoping to encourage secession (perhaps because, as Swanberg says, his fellow Virginians found his views too extreme). He wrote to his son, "The time since I have been here has been the happiest of my life."[10] "Ruffin is credited with firing one of the first shots from Morris Island against the federally held Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, which is generally considered the military event that initiated the war; the actual first shot against Fort Sumter was likely a signal shot from Fort Johnson under the command of Captain George S. James." [11][12] Ruffin was also the first person to enter Fort Sumter after it fell to Southern forces.[1]

>>132302153
>Let's not beat around the bush here. By aristocratic plantation owners, you're talking about kikes,
No, Protestants. Jews were very much despised everywhere, but more so in the South than the North. Though plantation owners were certainly the 1% of their day, deciding to secede without ever holding a popular plebiscite. Hence we now have West Virginia today.

not quite, but there is a small city with lots of descendants and they throw a yearly gathering.

its not like the German communities, in which they are 100% European

>>132300092
While bummers were a thing, there's no way on God's green earth that they came anywhere close to the atrocities that Sherman did. Fucking Yankee Alologists. Every. Fucking. Time.
The war was over on September 1st, 1864.

>>132284965
You really think Antifa has the balls to fuck with a reenactment? They can't do jack fucking shit unless it involves trash cans or inanimate objects.

>>132290309
if North Florida seceded from the rest of Florida and made the laws even more conservative than they already are in Florida (which would be pretty dang conservative) I will move there

>>132302489
Then please explain why around 50% of Jewish households were slave-owning households in the South, and please explain why the first state to secede, South Carolina, also had the highest concentration of heebs. I've already laid out some basics facts here >>132301729 so if you're willing to address these points and somehow shift the blame from the heebs to Protestants, I'd be impressed.

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>>132301902
HAIL DIXIE! HAIL VICTORY!

>>132302723
I live nearby and one of them stabbed a police officer's horse with a flagpole over in Harrisburg the other day, so they're pretty stupid here.

that bitch is so unbelievably fucked. apparently attacking a cop's horse is guaranteed getting fucked in court material.

If you hate the US so much, why don't you leave now? You worship a bunch deserters and you say you hate this place so much.. we not just go away?

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>>132302489
nice BS inbred retard

gonna need some sources

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>>132301141

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHUAHAH

>Inhales Deeply

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132291206
you realize that a huge portion of Southerners were Irish and even more Scots-Irish?

>>132293554
>uh, read a book
>I mean, What the Fuck
>I mean
>>capital wtf
>double spacing for very short paragraphs
Hello, reddit.

>>132302916

Are you really this fucking stupid? Dixie is our homeland, unlike most of the US we have close cultural ties to the land. We aren't going anywhere dipshit, that's the point.

>>132291678
why the fuck are you listening to a Dixie song then scalawag?

>>132302614
>there's no way on God's green earth that they came anywhere close to the atrocities that Sherman did.
Sherman actually gave a loose set of orders to his subordinates that he largely enforced (I'll copy paste it in chucks for ya), whereas the Bummers were not part of the Army, and did whatever they wanted. He could've stopped them, but he didn't want to expend more men or resources so deep in enemy territory that were still accomplishing his ultimate goal anyways, the destruction of the Southern spirit to carry on the fight. It's cruel, it's painful, it's called winning the war.

>The war was over on September 1st, 1864
Then the South should've capitulated.

>>132303193
The only "culture" you have is treating all people, even other whites, like garbage and bringing blacks into the US

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A reminder this 3rd of July night, that Southerners took the Declaration of Independence literally.


When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

>>132302614

IV. The army will forage liberally on the country during the march. To this end, each brigade commander will organize a good and sufficient foraging party, under the command of one or more discreet officers, who will gather, near the route traveled, corn or forage of any kind, meat of any kind, vegetables, corn-meal, or whatever is needed by the command, aiming at all times to keep in the wagons at least ten day's provisions for the command and three days' forage. Soldiers must not enter the dwellings of the inhabitants, or commit any trespass, but during a halt or a camp they may be permitted to gather turnips, apples, and other vegetables, and to drive in stock of their camp. To regular foraging parties must be instructed the gathering of provisions and forage at any distance from the road traveled.

V. To army corps commanders alone is entrusted the power to destroy mills, houses, cotton-gins, &c., and for them this general principle is laid down: In districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.

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Times change and men often change with them, but principles never! - Alexander Stephens

>>132302614
VI. As for horses, mules, wagons, &c., belonging to the inhabitants, the cavalry and artillery may appropriate freely and without limit, discriminating, however, between the rich, who are usually hostile, and the poor or industrious, usually neutral or friendly. Foraging parties may also take mules or horses to replace the jaded animals of their trains, or to serve as pack-mules for the regiments or brigades. In all foraging, of whatever kind, the parties engaged will refrain from abusive or threatening language, and may, where the officer in command thinks proper, give written certificates of the facts, but no receipts, and they will endeavor to leave with each family a reasonable portion for their maintenance.

VII. Negroes who are able-bodied and can be of service to the several columns may be taken along, but each army commander will bear in mind that the question of supplies is a very important one and that his first duty is to see to them who bear arms....

—William T. Sherman, Military Division of the Mississippi Special Field Order 120, November 9, 1864.

>>132303434
Reminder that even before the civil war, the South was killing, raping and torturing white settlers in the Bloody Kansas incident because of their obsession with owning slaves.

>>132303299
>bringing blacks into the US
The average white Southerner did not do this. I feel like, again, I need to repeat that only about 1% of Americans owned a slave. Meanwhile, nearly 50% of Jewish households (admittedly, by half of the households I mean 25% of total heebs, which would be about 50% of households) had slaves. Fighting for independence is about as American as you can get, so there's no hard feelings from me towards a white Southerner proud of their heritage. But, perhaps they should admit that they were duped by the heebs.

>>132303574
I don't care about the "average southerner"

It is the South's fault because they were too stupid and lazy to develop their own industry and wanted slavery.

They wanted the slaves. It's their fault.

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No tarheel rebs? Let's fix that.

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>>132302789

DOWN WITH THE EAGLE


UP WITH THE CROSS

>>132303544
Northerners were doing the same to southerners. In fact John Brown got all in on that shit, executed 5 people with a sword at one point.

I'd say the South probably killed more though.

Bloody Kansas MP game when?

>Border Ruffians vs. Free Soilers
>lever actions, shotguns, revolvers, and axes/knives
>prairie town maps

>>132297311
I don't think white conservatives who live in old Union Southern counties and are there descendants would suddenly change their mind if they found out their ancestors fought against the South.

>>132302460
Ruffin liked the press.
He was at John Brown's Trial & Hanging. He sent Pikes from John Brown's defenses, to every Southern Governor.

>>132303803
John Brown's family was killed in what is now Missouri you idiot. They were killed by southern raiders. That's why he did what he did. He wanted revenge.

>>132303574
>Meanwhile, nearly 50% of Jewish household
Where are you pulling this number from?

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>I WANT TO SECEDE

AR reporting in

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Thats some nice federal history you have there.

>>132302394
I have a softcover book.
I'd love an older copy,

>>132303861
Of course not. As I've said in many of these threads as long as there is tyranny in the federal government the symbols of the Confederacy will always remain popular in the south no matter if their ancestors supported the north or south.

>>132303861
Union County Georgia is about as Southern as they come, these days.
Most of N GA were unionists in the war.

>>132299108
chances are at least one of them did, even if most were unionists

>>132303655
"They" didn't want slaves. This was a time before information was widely available, like it is in today's world. The average Southern absolutely had legitimate complaints, such as higher tax rates in the South (due to heebs slaving ways) which were used to essentially subsidize Northern industrialization, however, claiming that the average Southerner wanted slaves is a bit absurd. Based on this thread, I guaran-damn-tee you that the average Southerner, would have rather had slaves sent back to Africa and let white Americans work on the farm.

>>132303912
>A few Jews even became prominent slaveowning planters in the Old South ... as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves
Rodriguez, Junius. The Historical Encyclopedia of World Slavery, Volume 1, ABC-CLIO, 1997

you guys realize that even if the south won...the confederacy had no active economy

>>132304170
Yankees died for their government's right to obtain ultimate power. Southerners died to be free.

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>>132298031

Home from work now, I'll post the intro

"Private Watkins crept up through the darkness toward an unlit row of building. He had never felt worse in his life. His hands were sore calloused from spending the past three hours sawing through the sewer grating with his bayonet (thank heavens his lieutenant had chewed him out for having a rusted bayonet, his old one probably would’ve broken if he had used that). And still, it was better than trying to go out the way he came, the open entrance was half collapsed and on fire. The stench, by God,- he had never smelled so bad in his life. Not even a childhood growing up on a farm could’ve prepared him for this. And still, it was better to smell like a pigsty and stay hidden than to be caught out in the open. On this lonely and bitter cold night, one thought rushed through Watkins’ head. “Got to get off the street or the next patrol that comes by is gonna turn me into Swiss cheese.” Now a mere ten paces from the buildings, Watkins realized he still needed to decide which one to take cover in."

I'm still rereading the book, so the final version will probably sound a lot different.

>>132300222
dont know much about him, but read about him when there was a /pol/ thread about eric clapton.

if i remember correctly, definitely our guy

>>132304203
Oh absolutely. I had many uncles who fought in the Confederacy for example while my two of my great-great-great grandfathers, a cousin, and an uncle were unionists. Southerners having family who were divided is pretty common and I think truly shows the division of the south during that time. It divided families just as much as it divided America.

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>>132304273
"Had this foundation secession principle of the system then been generally acknowledged — had no military force been called out to prevent the exercise of this right of withdrawal on the part of the seceding States — had no war been waged against Georgia and the other States, for their assertion and maintenance of this right, had not this primary law of our entire system of Government been violated in the war so waged, I cannot permit myself to entertain the shadow of a doubt, that the whole controversy, between the States would, at no distant day, have been satisfactorily and harmoniously adjusted, under the peaceful and beneficent operation of this very law itself. Just as all perturbations and irregularities are adjusted in the solar system, by the simple law of gravitation, from which alone — it sprung in the beginning, and on which alone its continuance, with its wonderfully harmonious workings, depends!" Alexander Stephens

(They sure were wordy back then)

>>132303959
You implying the North went to war for niggers? There were riots in Northern cities and open talk of mutiny in Union regiments following both the Emancipation Proclamation and the order to set up colored regiments.