CATHOLIC GENERAL

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noetoc2W4Pc - 1.5x speed is recomended by anon.

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Beautiful

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>>132267445
thank you

So we can all agree that Calvin was just the worst right?

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Jesus makes a reference to Sirach

>But of these things do not be ashamed,
>lest you sin to save face:
>Of the Law of the Most High and his precepts,
>or of justice that acquits the ungodly;
>Of sharing the expenses of a business or a journey,
>of dividing an inheritance or property;
>Of accuracy of scales and balances,
>of tested measures and weights;
>Of acquiring much or little,
>of bargaining in dealing with a merchant;
>Of constant training of children,
>Of the beating of the sides of a wicked servant
-Sirach


>If the servant sayeth in his heart
>"My lord delayeth his coming"
>and shall begin to beat the servants and maidens
>and eat and drink and be drunken
>The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh for him not.
>and at an hour that is he not aware
>And he will cut him into pieces
>and will appoint his portion with the faithless.
>And that servant which knew his Lord's will
>and did not prepared
>nor commit to his will
>he shall be beaten with many stripes.
>But he that knew not
>and did not commit things worthy of stripes
>he shall be beaten with only a few stripes
>For unto much is given much is required.
Luke 12

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>>132268193
Yea pretty much
He implies that God creates people for the sole purpose of going to hell

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>>132268234
indulgences were not obligatory. All that the Roman Catholics said was that it improves a man's generous spirit and he gets the direct benefit of what ever it is spent on. That was always spent on making new Cathedrals and art, and they liked to do it in their own town or region. They would paint their faces on the wall in paintings and indulgences were targeted at the rich not the poor.

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>>132268818
That was official teaching on indulgences as far as I know, but I don't doubt for a second that there shlomos that took advantage of this.

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

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>>132268818
He's right you know

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bump

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>>132269392
Thanks senpai. Also lots of people don't know this but I remember reading somewhere in the Catechism about the possibility of a heretic pope. Basically the Pope gets what is pretty much an annulment, meaning he was never the pope to begin with and he never joined the Church.

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>>132267445
I am in prison beacuse of my love for you, Lord

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Hebrews 11
>And what more shall I say? For time would fail me to tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets— who through faith conquered kingdoms, enforced justice, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, quenched the power of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, were made strong out of weakness, became mighty in war, put foreign armies to flight.

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>>132269851
I like how people here use the "hurr durr the Pope is super liberal" argument against Catholicism, but what happens if the next Pope is super conservative, it doesn't change the religion as a whole.

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Hebrews 12 - Punishing someone is an act of Kindness

Consider him who endured from sinners such hostility against himself, so that you may not grow weary or fainthearted. In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons?

“My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord,
nor be weary when reproved by him.
For the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and chastises every son whom he receives.”
It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

>>132270234
I have a screencap about Pope Francis saying some pretty "bigoted" things. He has a lot of issues no doubt. But There's a lot of stuff even he wont try to do.

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http://www.stjosephschurch.net/leoxiii.htm

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1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived;
>neither fornicators
>nor idolaters
>nor adulterers
>>>nor the effeminate
>>>nor sodomites
>nor thieves
>nor the greedy
>nor drunkards
>nor slanderers
>nor robbers
will inherit the kingdom of God.

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>>132270555
I like Francis although his stance on refuuges is stupid , but lets be honest most of the media would immediately say the pope doesnt obey the bible that says to help the ,,poor,, people fleeing from war

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Reminder that Monarchies are pretty cool :)

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>>132270848
This is GREAT

>>132271084
No I agree with you on his refugee stance, it proves that he's controlled opposition. Even the most corrupt Popes of the past wouldn't have dared to do such a thing, they'd get assassinated for even suggesting it

>>132269814
I get enjoy the comic but only thing is I thought Catholics were cool with evolution though

>>132271336
It's not set in concrete, as the Church doesn't have an official stance, I personally believe in the Old-Earth theory (which is different from Young-Earth and Evolution)

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>>132271336
officially yes Catholics are ok with Evolution but there are plenty of people who still hate it. I once knew this one girl who came from Italy she told me about her family, they lived out in the country. She told me about how her aunts and grandmothers and great aunts all freaked out when she bought a snake bc they believe that snakes can be vessels for demons. Plenty of Catholics are very much like that, even whites not just Hispanics

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Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the malice and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.

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>>132272235
Excuse me anon but i wanted to ask do you think muslims are bad or just a specific branch of them ?

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>>132272531
I hear all the time "oh but Shia are different, or Sufi is different, those are wahabists" ect ect. Look I think they are all part of a crazy death cult hell bent on ruining perfectly good lives. They ruined the levant and we need a new Crusade. No Mudslimes No exceptions.

>>132271754
That's an amazing quote

>>132271697

Young-Earth Theory
>Earth made in 6 days and is what most protestants believe

Old-Earth Theory
>Earth is old and each 'day' in Genesis is an age, and plants and animals were put onto Earth (or evolved) through divine intervention (doesn't apply to humans depending on who you ask)
>Also includes Gap Theory, where there is a very large gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, and the Earth was made in 6 days

Evolution Theory
>Evolution and stuff

Hello there, lovely christians.
I've got a question regarding Buddhism. I see that you don't see Buddhism as "good" so to speak, because of it's quite atheistic nature - though I wouldn't 100% agree on that. But that's not the point.

My question is regarding meditative practices. After all a prolonged service or night mass is pretty much active meditation. So what would you think about adopting actual meditative practices - as in sitting meditation and the like ? I think it could bring pretty huge benefits in a sense of clearing and refocusing your mind, contemplation of the teachings and so on and so forth.

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>>132272874
Thanks Ill dump more of this stuff

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>>132272792
Just asking , im trying to understand all religions beacuse i just came back to christianity after my atheistic phase and i got a big interest in knowing their values and history of how they were made

>>132272531
They are all bad, but Shi'ites tend to be more secular and nice towards us (Hezbollah trains Christian militias to fight ISIS), Sunnis are your average Muslims, and Wahhabis (Saudis) are evil

>>132272975
so.. praying basically.

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>>132273110
This guy has good resources on the sand religion of death. Lots of anons also have good pics of that stuff too. I used to have a bunch of rare ones but not anymroe so you can just use this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5Nu6EabQD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6st_tFj6ouM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AM7665cbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

>>132272975
It depends on what you are meditating on, if you meditate on the mysteries of the Lord and how you can be a better person through him, that's good. However, if you meditate the Buddhist way (clearing your mind and not thinking about anything), demons will infiltrate you because you essentially letting them in

>>132273706
are*

>>132273404

Well, yes - "in principle". But praying and meditation are not exactly the same. Essentially meditation is something where you aren't directing and entertaining your thoughts - and mind for that matter - so that you can reach insights without attachment.
Praying is the "direct your thoughts"-counterpart I'd say.

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>>132273437
Thanks man i'll be sure to check this out , also i will soon go on my first mass after 8 years of absence in my church and i wanted to ask should i really tell all my sins to the priest , or can i skip some , beacuse im kinda ashamed over the stuff i did in the past

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>>132273706
Agree completely. St Athony and the Desert Fathers are the howto on being a desert NEET. You just pick a favorite subject in Catholicism and you just think about it, because like to. And you're ina desert in solitude bc you hate normies.

>>132273912
Well priests aren't really surprised by what people tell them. it's pretty normal for them.

>>132274083
Ok thanks for answering my questions god bless ya !

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God bless you too see you around

>>132273706

I think your perception is not 100% accurate. There's no actual buddhist that would want to reach a "clear thoughtless mind". That's not even possible. It's more like I've described here >>132273789. You merely observe your thoughts without messing with them.

Buddhist meditation practice is said to be done to "forget yourself". But that's only half the truth - or better: a false notion. What buddhists meditate for is not to detach themselves from themselves so to speak.
The main issue is to learn to control your mind in order to act compassionate and controlled. That's where the mantras come into play as well.

But other than that, I see your point. So basically if you use it to - say - visualize Jesus and meditate about his teachings, you're totally ok with it ? That's great. I've heard others - protestants actually - that would reject meditation fully, because it's "Indian deviltry". Which made me pretty sad, as they're basically ignoring this pretty much benefiting practice out of shere ignorance.

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>>132274348
for you
>>132274467

The Battle Hymn of the Republic:

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an alter in the evening dews and damps
I can read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnished rows of steel
"As ye deal with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heal
Since God is marching on"

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgement seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me
As he dies to make men holy, let us die to make men free
While God is marching on

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>>132274518
>detach themselves from themselves
Jesus Christ that must be difficult how the hell do you that? Kek Typical Protestants, the word that is translated as "meditate on the Law" in the psalms means to murmur. So these men are reading aloud under their breath the law over and over, in order to understand it perfectly.

Hoi people are following the religion of globalism

Thanks to Christians and Catholics Europe is being dragged into the dark ages while you faggots turn the other cheek because a Jew on a stick supposedly died for your sorry asses

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Catholic is a useless heresy , it's about time you either reformed back to 1054 or converted to Orthodoxy .

You are sending your innocent flock to hell, you must revert or be extinguished .

>This is a reminder that the Catholics of Rome are an apostate religion with no relation to Jesus at all.

The Whore of filth on the Beast, is the Church of Rome riding on Satan's back and we all know the 3rd secret of Fatima, don't we ?

> In the last days ( well since its beginning in 1054 actually ) the Catholic Church will be the carpet of Lucifer .

*no 'Holy' Church would ever protect its resident child molesters . And we know that too . To hell with the corrupt institution of Rome .

No you know the real meaning of Orthodoxy or death . There is no alternative other than the Orthodox Church. The original one.

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>>132275267

>>132275267

Yeah, I'm catholic but I have been attending a russian orthodox church since january. They don't have a catechism and when I asked "how do I learn the orthodoxy" they simply said: "you will feel it when the time comes".

How the fuck is anybody supposed to know how a religion works if you have to keep awaiting until the Holy Spirit comes? I don't get it. What if a demon starts to pretend he is some kind of angel telling me to convert to the orthodoxy?

>>132275267
ottoman empire is beast stop being filled with evangelical ((lies))

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>>132275267

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>>132275267
I always accept our orthodox brothers can you tell me , do you hate catholicism beacuse of the corruption or catholicism as a whole ?

>>132275725
The Holy Spirit comes at Baptism

How do we fix the Church in Northern Europe?

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/belgian-bishops-refuse-to-call-abortion-murder

The Grand Chancellor of this University is a Cardinal. Archbishop Joseph de Kesel.

https://cruxnow.com/global-church/2016/10/11/new-belgian-cardinal-poised-key-papal-ally-europe/

>When asked about his attitude toward homosexuality at a news conference after his appointment, De Kesel said, “I have much respect for gays,” including “their way of living their sexuality.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/brussels-archbishop-deals-potentially-fatal-blow-to-an-uprising-of-vocation

>The fraternity was only 3 years old, but already numbered 6 priests and 21 seminarians - flourishing, by Northern European standards.
>Despite its rapid growth and fruitful work in parishes, in which attendance rose, the fraternity was closed down by the newly instituted bishop, De Kesel. The reason given in a statement was that the majority of the seminarians were French. Since many regions of France have no priests, De Kesel alluded to a move of solidarity with his French brother bishops in not taking away their vocations.

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>>132275725
>They don't have a catechism and when I asked "how do I learn the orthodoxy" they simply said: "you will feel it when the time comes".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Typical Orthodox if they don't have an answer it's sorta mystical and its a mystery. Everything is a mystery to them. the answer is "god is mysterious" Thomas Aquinas and various other monks and bishops were writing entire libraries to answer everyone's questions.

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>>132275979
>>132275820
Dont spam plox

>>132275174

I'm pretty sure it's way more delicate and nifty than this. Actually it seems to be due to the lack of virtues. After all the West is falling, because "Democracy" is a purely self-sustaining system pleasing the biggest voter groups and since the massive decline in faithfulness and the rise of secularism as state doctrine, the governments/parties have no incentive to work in favor of religious (e.g. christian) groups, except they're exotic minorities and can claim to somehow being """oppressed"""".

I'm not a christian but I believe christianity is a very beneficial factor to a society, if not corrupted and/or marginalized (or better: demonized).
The only reason that the church(es) still have a say in western states is that the last few people that were really faithful haven't die out yet ... which is but a matter of time. You can't take protestants seriously, because even if they are good people - their fait literally screams "imma do what i want and if you don't appreciate that you're a heretic and a devil worshiper".

>>132275104

Yeah, absolutely. No clue where that notion came from kek

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>>132275820
A lot of this stuff goes back to the Protestants, lots of Protestant influence

>>132276119
The first text had an extra line that made no sense, sorry ;_;

orthodox who hate catholics are hypocrites and scum

daily reminder orthodox are all split up and their real leader is still in turkey but cant say or do shit also a reminder most of the middle eastern cristians cry for help to westerns and then theres the few that are traitors like in lebanon and lick up to the muslim terrorists

>>132276087

They say catholics transformed God into a "thing" by rationalising Him. We are not supposed to make philosophy about God or how things work. Everything is a mystery, indeed.

>>132275557
um No, very charming essay and quite cheap desu , but the fact you have no legitimacy because you are an imposter with an imaginary dovtrine does not seem to be addressed in your macro .

>You wouldn't be hiding , something , would you ?

>>132275725
Well, you have enough demons already around you in the Catholic Church . Do you really need to be tought like a schoolboy what it is ti believe ? Talk more with your priest .

>>132275742
I'm Orthodox friend, we don't 'evangelical' It is you , Fatima said it . Can you deal with it ?

No, it is the corruption that is the problem . A reformed or purged Catholicism would save 100ds of milions , but how easy is it to carry these reforms.

>>132276289
That's not accurate in terms of facts, I might as well return that to you , since you are definately scum.

>>132275267

Hi there Orthodox. The Church is just a fucking church. Our religion is the same.
The priests rape children... yeah, it has happened. I can't think of a worse crime against the church ... and yet the Catholic Church will hopefully clean itself of this generation's sins.

We have the same religion, don't forget that. Peace.

>>132275051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6AOGRsR80

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>>132276289
Ive been called all sorts of things, including "devil worshipper" for posting icons by Orthodox. I'd be a lot nicer to them but they give me such a hard time.

>>132276526
kek I always wondered what they thought of that. YES. Every time I asked someone a hard question, if they were unable to answer they'd say "God is mysterious" It was so damn frustrating

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The day of the reckoning is approaching rappidly luckily you will the first to be judged you fucking heretics.

>>132275267
>you must revert or be extinguished
>original seats of orthodoxy literally in muslim hands

Tell us again who's being extinguished...

>>132272887
Which creation from Genesis though, the first one or second one?

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What does Catholic /pol/ make of zazen (zen meditation)?

I recently read "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind," and despite the off-putting title it actually has helped me immensely. Just sitting zazen and clearing my mind has done more than any Catholic reading I've come across.

Does Catholicism allow for zazen?

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>>132276552
All that ever matters to you and your whole identity is is all about "we're more traditional than Roman Catholics" or "we're more unified than Roman Catholics" or "we're less corrupt than Roman Catholics" or "we're more mystical than Roman Catholics" or "we're more Apostolic not like the Roman Catholics." Literally all that matters to you is what you think of us. you don't matter when we aren't mentioned in your own conversations. You exist bc you are compared.

>>132275557
It's funny that people actually thought that this was a good post.

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>>132276944
Wrong building. kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZHbjT-pZ_I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OrlzZLNk_Q&t=25s

Also this movie is Charleton Heston playing Michaelangelo and there was some Deus Vulting Holy wars in it to

>>132276552

So I am supposed to learn orthodoxy from whom? How?

>ask orthodox to explain something related to the religion
>"WHY CARE ABOUT THAT? WE DON'T NEED THIS TO BE SAVED. IT'S A MYSTERY, DON'T WORRY M8"

I am not buying that. Even though I respect the orthodox, I am still trying to figure out how things work in this religion.

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>>132276636
Our religion is not the same . You have gone astray brother and destroy souls. And not just now , for a few centuries now , have you seen "The Borgias" ? , it's an example .

>>132276725
You are quite the inveterate liar aren't you ? No orthodox ever called you a 'devil worshipper' for hagiographic icons . It is a dishonest statement you made and quite obvious to me.

>kek I always wondered what they thought of that. YES. Every time I asked someone a hard question, if they were unable to answer they'd say "God is mysterious" It was so damn frustrating.

It's because there is no real understanding left .

>>132276985
You brother , you are being seen for what your church has become , a 'cucked' as they say, disconnection from Christ .

>>132277184
No, we exist in our own glory. To you all this might be good explanations. But from my side an imposter is claiming to be the real deal , and that insults me that a liar is trying to besmirch what Orthodoxy is and put themselves in Orthodoxy's place .

>>132277467
Faith is experiential, if you really want to know from the source , then you must address monasteries instead of churches or else you go little by little . Like everyone else . It's not an idea , faith, it's a happening.

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>>132277722
I have it somewhere meanwhile I also have THIS ONE.
>that chart
See this is what I am talking about all you are dong is comparing yourself to us, itls your entire identity.

>>132277722
the deluded gal you have there

who are you to tell anyone they are cuked when all orthodox original seats are literally under muslim rule
Alexandria, Muslim.
Syria, Muslim.
Constantinople, Muslim.

Catholicism disconnected from Christ? Try at least to disconnect orthodoxy from islam before saying such things...

>>132277722
you just came into a Catholic general and posted a pic titled "Orthodoxy or death"

i would not expect anyone to take you seriously. You obviously are quite mixed up in the head to do that.

Of all the good you could do in this world, today, outside, you're interested in children of christ switching denominations, on a fucking image board.

>>132276636
I would directly execute those devil's worshipers. The Enemy must be laughing about it.

>>132276526
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>2 He was in the beginning with God.
>3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
>4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
>5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Our ability to rationalize is itself a gift from god though.

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>>132277722
This was out of nowhere

>>132278163
I will stop to compare when you admit that ' Catholicism is the true and only apostolic Church of the Pope' NOT Christ . Because you don't seem to relate very well with Christianity in general .

>>132278234
Excuse me, what's the politics of Orthodox countries have to do with the validity of their church ?

>Is that even an argument ?

Perhaps you missed /pol/s definition of Catholicism's cuckery, the new Marxism of the Church, a further disgrace.

>>132278304
You are entitled to your opinions, I don't see how a 'fucking' imageboard is not a place we meet and talk . And of course, the children of Christ must be on the bosom of Orthodoxy, not on some Catholic priests lap.

>>132278537
yes but it is not a religious faculty , you alse so the gift of awareness and experience , by God . How do you exercise them , with regards to faith . Apart from 'rationalizing'.

>>132279346
oh digits , do they really mean something ? Because my last post had a 2277722 string
-- -- -- -- -- --
I'll be back in 30 min , sorry if I'm laste to reply .
>>132278163
I will stop to compare when you admit that ' Catholicism is the true and only apostolic Church of the Pope' NOT Christ . Because you don't seem to relate very well with Christianity in general .

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Here it is. I forgot the screencap the other comments but one anon did call me a devil worshipper.

>>132278234
Nice fourth crusade you forgot to mention, or the fact that it was the very fact that the popes thought themself above the other patriarchs in a greedy grab for power, leading to the fall of eastern christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ_YnDQi-MU

>>132278514

Yes.

I bet there was not a time when the church was not infiltrated by the devil itself.
Look at Judas...

However the church and specially Christianity are bigger than its faults.

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>>132279928
Latin Massacre and Constantinople owed lots of money and political favors and refused to follow through. When you owe the Jew lord of Venice money. YOU PAY Long live VENICE. Venice is the BEST Pleb

>>132279624
The orthodox seats have to literally serve under the gov of islamic countries, and you don't see how that questions their validity?

you're so sad the Pope kissed a nigger's feet in a little display, while blind to the patriarchs sucking muslim dick as part of their existance for the last centuries. you have no grounds on which to accuse anything of being cucks.

>>132280270
You preyed upon a foolish Pretender to the throne, who had been usurped by his uncle as a kid.
You were the cretins who bought ships from venice without the finances to and allowed them to use you like paid mercenaries, leading you to use a crybaby to prey upon the greatest city in europe, raping nuns and desecrating churches when the pretender realised he couldn't pay up.

>>132264726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeP1GG5wi-E

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>>132280945


>In 827, Venetian merchants stole the body of St. Mark the Evangelist from Alexandria in Egypt, where he had served as a bishop before being martyred around 68 AD. Following the relic's transfer to the Rialto, they were solemnly received by the bishop and doge of Venice and subsequently deposited in the ducal chapel.

>In subsequent centuries, many prominent relics of Christ—among them fragments of the True Cross, Christ's Holy Blood, and thorns from the Crown of Thorns—and relics of prominent saints—among them relics of Sts. George, John the Baptist, and Isidore—entered the Church of St. Mark's and were deposited in its treasury. Following the sack of Constantinople in 1204, the facades of San Marco were richly decorated with marble spolia, or spoils, many of which had formerly decorated churches, palaces, and public squares in the imperial city
http://www.learn.columbia.edu/treasuresofheaven/shrines/Venice/index.php

The (((Merchants))) of Venice stole the corpse of St Mark and took all the holy relics back from Orthodox lands. HAHAHA Guess where they are? Yes You got BTFOd by Jew merchants

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Stop molesting children

>>132280792
>Implying the pope couldn't refuse to kiss those feet at the cost of the lives of all his religious bretheren.
What the patriarchs did was more human than any staged performance the pope has ever stooped to do, they invalidated their holy office to protect the lives of their people.

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>>132281103
Speak for Athens pleb

>>132280945
Even teh pagan Romans hated the Greeks, they called them "trecherous snakes" and they were. A Roman will follow through on his promise, a deal is a deal but the Greeks would stab you in the back for an extra shekel. Loyalty? No such thing. So when this man comes up to Roma telling him THE SAME STORY as it always has for over a thousand years, no I don't believe you especially from what I heard about that situation. you did not follow through on the deal with that man,

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>>132279624
>mfw when you are rationalizing that rationalizing is a subordinate faculty of our spiritual experience in order to justify your subjective understanding of spiritual experience.

To answer you answer your question, I try to exercise them in tandem.

The way, the truth, and the life.
>awareness, logic, and experience

>>132281445
What the fuck are you even saying? Speak not in riddles Untermenschen.

>>132279928
>muh fourth crusade
Every single time.
muh Latin massacre.

Syria and Alexandria had long been lost before the fourth crusade. What's their excuse?

And you're convinced that it was just coincidence that who was to become the patriarch of constantinople just happened to be the bishop of constantinople who just so happened had to answer to the Byzantine emperor?

No greedy grab of power there?

The bishop of constantinople was excommunicated. The catholic countries and church has no responsiblity towards them from then on until they repent. Syria and Alexandria chose to follow constantinople. They made a choice. They lived their choice. For them too, catholicism didn't owe them anything anymore.

>>132281294
didn't work out that well for them now did it.
therefore
1. Orthodoxy is not valid.
2. It became useless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b3AV_UgZPQ

>>132281991
Antioch fell in the 11th century, and alexandria was taken by the first caliph.
The rise of islam was because of a devastating plague that had decimated Byzantium and persia, and they were recovering from the latest big war. The Jihadists found themselves in exactly the right time and place to mass conquest.
Byzantium held against combined jihad, many times stronger than papal crusades, for hundreds of years, but eventually started to crumble due to trade embargoes from the west, subversion from muslim agents,
After the catholic Latin empire was constructed after the 4rth crusade, it ravaged the populaces and countryside due to its distrust of time tested greek banking procedures leaving it bankrupt and weak.

The remenant states of Byzantium had to sort the mess out for themselves however, and Nycia eventually restored the Empire, but racked up alot of debt in the process.
Next comes the assault of the sultanate of Rum, gobbling up the eastern anatolian land and driving them to the coasts.

Rum then crumbles, but an even stronger foe emerges, the Ottoman Turks.

They forced the Patriarch to submit, or have his people genocided, and to this day, his successors still teach the old faith.

You should be more sympathetic, considering all of your land was controlled by the Umayads for hundreds of years.

>>132282430
I am sure that god will come down to cleanse the popes lips of subhuman skincells once the cameras are away, but catholicism became useless when the pope had to revamp it because his followers were so discontent with the teachings...

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>>132283306
you fucked up because the TURKS outmatched you in TECHNOLOGY with their damn canons you should have gotten with the times anon. This is hundreds of years after the 4th crusade its' you PLEB. After the black plague in the 13oos italy actually got richer and mroe powerful especially FLorence

>>132283306
I am sympathetic. I don't have a problem with Orthodox church. Ecumenism doesn't get any better nor fruitful than when catholics and orthodoxy sit down around the same table.

I just don't see how an Orthodox can point fingers at who's more cucked than what.

>>132277159
Catholicism has developed so many different forms of meditation that at least one of them is going to be identical to Zazen.

>>132284137
Byzantium was reduced to a few small holdings over 100 years before Constantinople finally fell, there were only >30,000 people living in the city that once housed over 2 million. Genoa sucked up all the trade wealth of the Aegean sea, and Byzantium was bankrupt trying to feed its starving citizens.

Times were tough for them, there was no going back from 1204AD.
>>132284250
The Orthodox church remains a conservative, family oriented stonghold, even with the old holdings being under control. look at how militarised the Russian orthodox church is!
Yet the pope would kiss the feet of subhumans to show how progressive he is...

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does anyone know a good source (and media adaptations) on the japanese martyrs?

>>132284733
yet bows to islamic leaders.
that's the thing.
the Pope could kiss 1000 nigger feet. He answers only to God.
What could the original patriarchs do without asking their Muslim overlords? What does it matter if they are goose stepping while doing it?

>>132264726
Angels with wings...so much man made dogma...Everybody knows angels fly in vehicles!

>>132285591
The Russian orthodoxy does not submit to islam, but the greek orthodox church submitted to protect its followers, in semblance of how Christ gave his life and dignity to save humanity (just an insight into the thought process).
The pope answers also to the media, and so must use PR stunts to better his image, even at the expense of humiliating his religion.
The patriarchs humiliated their religion to save the lives of the local practitioners of Christianity, not just greek orthodoxy.
They put human life over greed and glory, the pope put greed over reputation.

Understand yet?

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>>132280792
Yes, they did 'serve under the gov of islamic countries', the muslims have a foreign faith irrelated to Orthodoxy, you're trying to make a point that doesn't really exist.

>>132280270
That to is false, the regent Empress was Latin and gave many privileges to Venice despised by the populace, after two inter-Latin civil wars inside Byzantium ( Venice vs Genoa & Venice vs Pisa).

>>132281445
No, speak for the Catholic clergy, protected instead of stripped off.

>Even teh pagan Romans hated the Greeks, they called them "trecherous snakes" and they were. A Roman will follow through on his promise, a deal is a deal but the Greeks would stab you in the back for an extra shekel.

No, that's not the case . If I remember correctly the Romans hated the Greeks because as they said , "the Greeks might make the statues come to life but us Romans are destined to rule the Mare Nostrum" , an admission of cultural inferiority .

>>132281791
I don't rationalize about it friend, I know of it . There's a small but significant difference there, which I'm sure you understand.

>>132281991
>The bishop of constantinople was excommunicated.

The Pope was excommunicated after claiming the double procession of the Holy Spirit. A heresy.
>No other Church agreed with Rome and labled themselves 'Orthodox' this is what you seem to be missing.

>>132282430
Your Catholicism became not valid, not the other way around . The 'schismatics' are , Rome .

>>132284137
>you fucked up because the TURKS outmatched you

Well you're missing the point here aren't you?

>>132284250
Orthodox don't agree with Ecumenism even if the current Patriarch is attempting it in good faith.

>>132285591
Orthodoxy didn't change through, Islam it endured and resurged , some are still under it like Syria, and are still Orthodox. The question is, is Rome still 'Orthodox' ? Or did it make religion as it went along from the filioque to indulgences up to the disgusting vatican II accords and Marxism.

>>132271697
Agreed.The earth is ancient. There are three earth ages , one that was, one that is and one yet to come.

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>>132284733
>Genoa
OH PLEASE GENOA GAVE YOU TROUBLE LOL Genoa Couldn't even hold PISA. Youre just a BUNCH OF FUCKING KEKS

>>132286619
kek no read up about the Ptolemies or the Roman conquest of Greece. Roma didn't even conquer Greece they literally just paid a bunch of Greeks to fuck each other over. >
>cultural superiority
HAHAHA if that were true you would have won back your land like the Catholics in Spain. The Romans used to say "the greeks are only fit for slavery"

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>but the Genoans
Holy Hell I cannot believe they gave you trouble HAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHA Faggot I wipe my ass with Genoan troubles

>>132286536
>the russian orthodox
I explicitly talk about the original seats. I have no interest in discussing others.

>>132286619
not did, do. to this day.
and the point is, the patriarch answers to god and the local islamic leadership.

The schismatics surely are not the church of Peter.
Surely the church of Andrew should know better than to claim to be the church of Peter, or better, that the church of Peter doesn't exist and therefore is free to lead itself.

>The question is, is Rome still 'Orthodox'
no. the question is: is the church of Andrew still being led by the church of Peter as Jesus told it should be?

>>132287633
Genoa was weak enough though to warrant territory on the coast Crimean peninsula?!

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>>132288256
Yes because that's what a joke you were. I didn't knwo this I'm telling my friends about this this is funny

>>132288521
You misunderstand, those were trading colonies. Genoa helped Byzantium retake Constantinople 60 years after. My point was that their power and influence was almost on par with venice despite being much younger.

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>>132288840
>helped
HAHAHA YOU NEEDED THEIR HELP BWAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132288956
I would like to see how effective you were at retaking Jerusalem then, templar.
Oh wait...

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>>132289237
Hey hey don't smack talk Jerusalem, hey pLEBIAn. It was the goyim only the goyim can ruin Jerusalem. GOY

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CANT HANDLE THIS

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THIS GAVE YOU TROUBLE. THIS

>>132287633
>HAHAHA if that were true you would have won back your land like the Catholics in Spain. The Romans used to say "the greeks are only fit for slavery"

I would appreciate to not talk with children, the Romans never said that, they said what I quoted about bringing marble to life, and out of spite . Why do you think all Roman statues of a human figure have a shrub or small tree adjacent to keep the statue from falling untill 1500's while Greek ones are just a human form since 500 BC without the need of an edifice ?

>I think Greece reached Ankara in the 1920's before folding, that's deep in Asia Minor.

They still liberated the Helladic peninsula and some of the Balkans. What of all this did your attention span jump over ?

>>132287990
>I explicitly talk about the original seats. I have no interest in discussing others.

What's wrong with Russia ? Are they not Orthodox ? They are the most fervent believers and never bowed to Islam. When St. Andrews cross visited Russia a few years ago ( their baptismal cross) 4 Million believers flocked, ever seen that before ?


>not did, do. to this day.and the point is, the patriarch answers to god and the local islamic leadership.

Nope , wrong, sorry . The milliet (national ) system of islam does not interfere with religion. Simple as that.

>The schismatics surely are not the church of Peter.
Surely the church of Andrew should know better than to claim to be the church of Peter, or better, that the church of Peter doesn't exist and therefore is free to lead itself.

You make many mistakes, the Church of Andrew is Russia's Church. The 'schismatics'. Ok, look . The Church of Peter has been corrupted successively by the Papacy, you might think it's of Peter's but doctrinaly, the 'Orthodox' are Peter's, because the Papacy took it upon itself to turn the original Peter's Church into a political whore . A total disgrace.

Catholics are not the church of Peter, even if they say so.

So Rome is a , new , beast .

>>132264726
Anyone in here a sedevacantist?

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>>132288521
read here >>132292893

>>132288956
>HAHAHA YOU NEEDED THEIR HELP BWAHAHAHAHAHA
>Hey hey don't smack talk Jerusalem, hey pLEBIAn. It was the goyim only the goyim can ruin Jerusalem. GOY
>CANT HANDLE THIS
>THIS GAVE YOU TROUBLE. THIS

why don't you bring your rabbi dad to talk for you, you're an obvious joke. I mean all that hahah huhuh and all.

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>>132292893
YOU CANT PAINT WORTH A DAMN SHIT. Who invented Concrete ROMA. Who was able to build BIGGER ARCHES? ROMA. WHO WAS ABLE TO BUILD BIGGER DOMES ROMA. WHO WAS ABLE TO BUILD BIGGER ROADS? ROMA. WHO WAS ABLE TO BUILD BIGGER SHIPS? ROMA. HAH TRIEMES WE HAD 5, 5 ROWS OF OARS. FAGGOT WE HAD BIGGER DICKS TOO

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>>132293299
SURE SHOWED ME.


JUST LIKE GENOA

>>132264726
/bant/ was made for shit like this. How is your pedophile relgion political? Fuck off delusional morons

>>132293316
Um that's actually false , child. The biggest ships in antiquity , the quinterme were built by Alexander the Great, it took over 2000 years to match them after the 1800's by the English.Who was able to build the Greatest churches for 1000 years ? Byzantium . Why ? because it inherited Rome and Greece. Your lack of knowledge not only shows, but shines.
>Just as much as your BWAHAHA adolescence. I doubt you can evaluate art at all.

>>132293518
I don't know what you refer to, because you are being ridiculous.

>>132264726
Ave Maria ,
Deus Vult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxm0P9hLpR4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttOrfE12hIA

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>>132294302
OH PLEASE that's not the same thing. WERE TALKING FIVE ROWS.

This is how irrelevant you are, YOU HAVE COMPARE YOURSELVES ON EVERYTHING. DOWN TO ROWBOATS MADE BY ROWMANS and muh balance with statues. ALL THE ORTHODOX DO IS COMPARE THEMSELVES TO ROMA

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>>132294725
God bless

>>132294793
I'm sorry , are you obtuse on purpose, you started a comparison and now make a point of answering to it ? How old are you for real .

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>>132295356
>obtuse

PLEBBOT DETECTED
>flag
ILL SHOW YOU PIRATS
>age?
older than you

>>132295636
>obtuse
>PLEBBOT DETECTED
>flag
>ILL SHOW YOU PIRATS
>age?
>older than you
No, just how you evade a staight answer and unsuccessfully attempt to make a cheap impression shows to my experience that you have no points to make, very Catholic , in a way , don;t you agree ?

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Did you know that the reason why all boats in venice have to be black is because the jews kept painting them in GOLD. They got so heavy that they kept sinking, and so they kept filing insurance claims. It got too expensive, among other things

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>>132295987
I bet you guys didnt' like Florence either

>>132296158
>>132296452

Change of subject little askenatsi ? Typical.

The difference between an Orthodox and a Catholic is the same between a faithful and an imposter.

However the difference between an Orthodox and an askenazi is the same between a faithful and and a middle-class gypsy.

>>132268234
There's no getting through to these people, fellow burger. The Roman Catholic church employs literally tens of thousands of repressed sodomites to spin lies which absolve them of any guilt or recourse to reason and logic.