Anti-depressants

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Anti-depressants function as an active placebo, making them slightly better than a sugar pill.
>inb4 ((Kirsch))

>>132257929
Do you really want to fill your system with unnecessary drugs?

>>132257929
I had a friend that was quite older than me that tried all sorts of anti depressants. He was a fucking mess.

>>132257929
just smoke weed my man
it probably wont help since being depress means you are low test low energy beta male
Only thing that can really help is manning the fuck up

>>132258395
>placebo

nah, they actually work, but they fuck you up as in make you dependant for the rest of your life if you use them long enough

>>132257929
Idk once i stole xanax from my gf just to test the effects.

It didn't do anything to me, literally 0 difference.

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>>132257929
I've got 8 boxes of amitriptyline stockpiled. Throw in a bottle of vodka and my personal nightmare is over. So yeah 10/10.

>>132259651
pretty much this women are depressed and miserable all the time because they have no testosterone, crazy in the head too

>>132257929
I worked with a psychiatrist, a well respected individual.

His words:
Anti-depressants are pure garbage. Do not help one bit, actually fucks up brain --> like killing a fly with a nuke. Change dose slightly/change drug ---> person falls apart;

IMO, 90% of the psycho shooters are on anti-depressants

>>132259651
>be depressed
>just smoke weed my man lighten up
Literally kill yourself you degenerate leaf.

>>132257929
Pure BS op, they make yoy psichotic, see demons, suicidal, hallucinate, and other issues

just review the side effects of any pill, and see if you are ok with them

>>132259651
>weed
just get up, and out of the house EVERY day op, go to work, treat yourself to something once in a while, and get a good diet.

>>132257929
Potheads and scientology tier conspiracy tards will say they are evil and should be avoided at all costs. Scientists and people who have seen them help some people will say they face the same issue as ADHD meds, overprescribed yet still have a place in helping people. Blue pills will say theres absolutely nothing wrong with them.

>>132259946
>xanax
dipshit, that's not an AD and you should have felt something.
>>132257929
any serotonin crap is utter bs.
>>132259651
bad idea

in general - consult >>/fit/.

I can answer any questions. Lexapro + Wellbutrin daily.

I definitely notice a difference. The latter is more recent, and was added bc lexapro, being an ssri, took some joy out of things while also reducing depression and anxiety. Wellbutrin works by increasing dopamine output, so it replaced the joy that I was losing to the other. I took a break from them for about 2 years, and I definitely noticed myself degrading: daily weed smoking, no commitment to my future (part of the weed smoking), being an antisocial recluse. It all ended in me having to leave college and nearly start from scratch.

Definitely worried about the prospect of total dependency in the long run, but for now I'm social, have a gf, am more assertive, and generally feel in control of my life.

Ask me whatever

failures get depressed.

Winners start to improve their life to feel better by becoming successful.

Loosers will take AD and be happy failures.

>>132260758
>read side effects of antibiotics
Oh shit, i guess we shouldn't take those either!
Fuck off Mary Baker Eddy, just because one person in 10,000 has a weird side effect doesn't mean the others don't get helped.

>>132257929

Listen:

To all affected.

1. You lack a certain neurotransmitter.

2. Depression and inflammation are highly linked.

3. Inflammation (gut) will prohibit nutrition absorbtion and damages BBB.

4. You need to lower inflammation by lifestyle and dietary changes.

5. You need to make sure your get enough of a)Tryptophan, b) Vitamin D3, c) Omega 3 fatty acids, d) Magnesium. These are crucial parts your organism needs in order to make the neurotransmitter.

Conclusion:
Get sun, eat healthy, drink healthy, make sport, especially eat, fat fish and nuts, socialize.


BUT

The most IMPORTANT thing:

Find god. Make peace with yourself.
Your heavenly father is waiting for his lost sheep.

Now that I'm on Prozac I would recommend that you stay off Prozac.

Imagine having no ups and downs in life and becoming complacent with consuming the drug because you're afraid you're going to have more downs than up.

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>needing anti-depressants
for fucks sake sort yourself out

>>132261414
If you are worried about total dependance, add in some form of therapy whether seeing a psychologist or reading self help books or self reflection. The chemicals can be balanced by the drugs and make today bearable, but finding a way to deal with the root cause is better for the long run.

>>132259651
lol

>>132261664
Only decent answer in this shitty ass brothread.

>>132261664
>depressed
>told i need to diet to fix it
>try and fail on diet
>even more depressed now

Your answer isn't incorrect, but by itself it shows a complete lack of understanding of those who are depressed. The pills make it possible for the diet to not fail as well as mental/emotional issues to be addressed. Think of it like this: if you break a bone because they are brittle, you don't just start drinking milk to fix the problem. You put a splint/cast on the broken bone, then start drinking milk to fix the underlying problem.

>>132261983
Forgot to mention the talk therapy. Go about once a month when things are good, more when they're not. "Mindfulness" has been the best approach. Basically just becoming literate to your emotions and identifying what makes you depressed and if it's a rational response.

>>132257929
They helped me out.
Something I've seen with people who claim they dont work is that they're given too high of a dosage and they don't do anything else to help with their depression like talk therapy or changing habits that contribute to their depression.
I was on 200mg of Zoloft and it made me feel emotionally numb, but that emotional numbness helped me change a lot of my habits, and therapy helped me from falling back into those destructive habits.
I'm off of it now and doing way better in my life.

>>132257929
i was on ssri for about a year, escitalopram. they helped. instead of being crippled by the depression and anxiety, the pills took away both but didn't replace it with anything. felt a bit like a zombie towards the end, no real emotions or feelings, every day felt like the same, the last few months of the highest dosages are kind of like a haze. but i was a lot more social due to getting over the anxiety (the major issue at the time) and then the depression, so i gained a lot of confidence and started seeing myself in a different light. i've been off them for about two years now, and certainly glad i was helped. i don't think the therapy with my psychiatrist did much though.

Been on them since i've been very young. Never felt a direct difference from taking them. However if i try to gradually stop taking them i eventually start getting negative thoughts and being very rough against myself.

>>132261870
I took prozac before i got off ADs, it didn't make me feel that way at all until it stopped working. Ask you psyche for a different med and start getting therapy

>>132261414
I'm on lexapro and welburtrin combo as well. It's been working great for me so far.

>>132262566
I'm on Escitalopram as well. Some days i feel fine and some days total shit like i feel annoyed by everything. Everything feels difficult, everything feels oppressing. It's awful, and thinking about it makes it ten times more awful.

>>132257929
They work, problem is some seem to only work on some people, so it takes a while to get the right one, and some people get nasty side effects. But both those arnt major problems when you consider that untreated depression is much worse. The problem is that its supposed tobe used only for severse cases, but right now its given out like candy to anyone thats slightly sad.

And for some reason people thing antidepressants cure depression, they dont, they give you just enough of a boost to get out of bed in the mornings so that you can work on fixing the root cause of your depression, but peope are too lazy to do that, and doctors dont seem to want to help so they instead just give meds for years keeping the person in a semi depressed state for ever, when you actually should not take antidepressants for more than 2 years.

>>132262759
>>132261414
>lexapro
Isn't Buproprione enough?
at least you ain't on californian rocket fuel (Venlafaxine & Mirtazapine).

>>132261414
>unable to handle the pressures of 2017 kangaroo kolleges without chemically overclocking your endocrine system

what was paraphrasing spark notes and binge drinking getting too stressful?

>>132263443
>californian rocket fuel (Venlafaxine & Mirtazapine).
I was on that, did know its called californian rocket fuel though.

I was on about 3 other things but none of it work, so eventually I was was put on Venlafaxine & Mirtazapine with some benzodiazepine sprinkled in.

why is it called californian rocket fuel? im not even in californian .

>>132264296
*didnt know its californian rocket fuel

>>132257929

Depends. I mean, it varies from person to person. Some people have said you need to try some different ones before you find one that works. The owner at my old job started taking them. Guess he got the wrong ones, because a few months after he started taking them, he committed suicide.

>>132262468

Verily, verily I tell you brethren you are a very complex cybernetics loop system. There are endless possibilities how you can influence it.
No one said it will be easy to figure it out for yourself. For me it took almost years to get where I am now. Dont expect wonders by dietary changes. Our heavenly father is much more capable of that than the next diet fad.
But dont disregard it either. Food can be medicine. Start somewhere. Fix your organs. Start with the gut. Maybe try fasting, and colon cleansing, then built up your micro biom. Listen to your body what it tells you. The color of your stool, or the smell or your urine can be certain indicators for some conditions. Fix your hormones. Fix your BBB. LOWER INFLAMMATION.


I highly recommend to you not to give up anon. There is always hope. And I will pray for you.

>>132263443
I lack the gene marker that makes Bubproprione effective.

>>132262468
>Think of it like this: if you break a bone because they are brittle, you don't just start drinking milk to fix the problem. You put a splint/cast on the broken bone, then start drinking milk to fix the underlying problem.


You dont need milk for brittle bones. You need sunlight and omega 3 fatty acids and MOST important you need to USE your body. Use it or lose it. Our body works axiomatic by the principle of Hormesis. You dont need to fluoride your teeth you need to chew hard things. Easy.

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>>132257929
is that a repainted engine lift?

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>surely this profitable jewpill will make me feel fine about this gay earth and all the niggerfaggots that overrun it

>>132261664
Can confirm

>t. Cynical fuck with IBD

>>132257929
Zoloft saved my life, my bipolar disorder would have been the death of me

>>132261664
Best post in the thread.

To add: your gut and the flora inside it are proven to have a huge influence on immunity and neuro system, among others. Anon describes good things and adding fermented foods to that will only help as well. Stay away from antibiotics until you are really desperate. A healthy gut is vital. Unfortunately, studies show that the effect of gut flora is most important at young age, and it is more difficult for older people to later their flora for health benefit.

>>132263003
you have pretty much the opposite reaction i had, weird. cipralex?

I was on anti-depressants for two years. While on them, I gained weight, tried to kill myself, never left the house, stopped showering, stopped shaving, and stopped caring.

After quitting them cold turkey (absolutely horrible month) I got a girlfriend, lost heaps of weight, got a job, started volunteering at my local animal shelter, started playing guitar and started working out.

Anti-depressants are bad. Nobody I know who has ever been on them has had any benefit from them, they just become empty shells of consumption.

>>132257929
Yes it works depending on what exact symptoms you are trying to fix. Was on them for 2 years before I stopped as I did not want to rely on drugs. For me depression severely reduced my will to wake up in the morning. Multiple alarm clocks, 30+ minutes of 5-10 minutes of snooze intervals, did nothing as I just shut them off and went straight back to sleep. Even across the room alarms. After around 3 weeks of prozac, everything worked the first time. First buzzer of the alarm got me off the bed.

Another thing was eating. Never had an appetite while depressed. Prozac fixed that.

Now a year off of prozac, I managed everything on my own, with the help of a dog from keeping me super depressed. It's a bit of a middle ground between super depressed and on meds but it's working for the most part.

>>132259651
Whenever inn depressed it's cause of libs
Trolling me to feel bad about shit.
>le white slave trade
after seeing it was mostly Jewish
Owned boats I feel better even though
my family came here in the 20's.

I am on AD right now, and I want to quit because I know it can't be good for me in the long run. I'm afraid I'm destroying my brain lol

>>132257929
Don't take the jew pill

You should always exercise and eat healthy before you put any sort of medication in your body, whatever psychologists and therapists tell you about anti-depressants just remember they have a quota to fill and you are just another number for them.

>>132257929
ANTI-DEPRESSANTS = CONCENTRATED NIGGER JEW SEMEN FOR AMERICUNTS AND KEKOLDS

EAT UP YOU DEPRESSED FAGGOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>132261280
I'm fitter than most people
just went for a casual 40km bike ride high as fuck

>>132265814
which one were you on may i ask

>>132264296
don't know why. that combination made me sick, switched to Buproprione. quit everything 6 years ago after changing lifestyle and dumping my then wife.

>>132266207
>some anon jerking off in his mom's basement
>professional doctors that went to med school for years and stuff

i know who to trust.

I'm currently in the process of reducing my dosage of Zoloft from 100mg. I'm at 50mg now with two months left until I ultimately am off it completely.

You don't realize the control those things have over you until you go without or until you lower your intake. A couple days off it, you become more irritable, experience more anxiety etc. a week off it the pounding headaches and nausea are enough to put you on your ass. I determined I wasn't going to be that dependent on anything so like I said, I'm going off it completely.

Another factor to consider is getting an ancestry DNA test and sending the raw data to Promethease to decode your genetic predispositions. I have several that make me prone to anxiety and depression. Honestly I use it as motivation. Fight my internal demons, shit like that.

But yeah, my advice: Don't. It compounds the problem.

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>>132257929

Don't trust the pharmaceutical Jew

>>132261664
Get testosterone levels checked aswell. Exercise and zinc magnesium supplements help with that

>>132266004
Get off them. I'm incrementally decreasing my dosage of Zoloft with guidance from my doctor. The level of dependency and the physical havoc that shit hits you with is terrifying.

I tried zoloft and paxil. Took better to zoloft (sertraline). It reduced my anxiety, cleared my head and made ideas flow in my head. Ganja also seemed more enjoyable than it would be otherwise. But I ditched the prescription and now I am a miserable lazy shit again. You better off training yourself meditation and that goes for me too.

As someone who's suffered from depression for most of his life I can give you a decent picture.

They help to an extent. Once you find out which out of all the different types (for me it was SSRI's) Then the right kind of that type(Cytalopram/Cylexa) you need to understand it is not a cure. I tried it as a cure and you end up needing higher and higher doses, then feel nothing.

They need to be used as a way to get your head above water so that you can help yourself. Go out more often, go for walks in nature, run, go to the gym, see a councillor, do whatever. Then ween yourself off gradually. Thats what they are there for.

I know plenty of people who see anti depressants as a cure and get cycled of different ones every 6 months are are massive fuck ups. Their brains are damaged, they are beyond help now. It seems like they enjoy, or at least are so used to they feel commutable in self loathing or depression.

>>132261664
Was a pretty accurate post until the cringy god shit. You didn't need to add this, seriously.

>>132266871
>>132266004
this article is pretty interesting: http://archive.fo/wFHUN
don't reduce w/o your GP.

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>>132266555
>le mom's basement maymay

>>132266652
these fags never listen

>>132257929
Take shrooms or 1p-LSD instead of falling for the pharma Jew.

>>132261563
this

why do you think depression and suicide are so common? it is mother natures way of having genetic rejects make place for less worthless creatures.

so here is a radial idea... if you feel like killing yourself... maybe you should?

>>132266555
>(((professional doctors))) that went to (((med school)))

>>132258395
>>132259892
Both wrong. Antidepressants actually are less effective than placebo. Depression is a meme. Every one has radically different brain chemistry. Even the creator of Prozac has come out and denounced it.

>>132257929
The problem is not whether anti-depressents work or not, but mostly for exactly what they are prescribed for.

If you got some quack that's just throwing a bunch of pills to get you out of their office because they just don't want to hear about your problems, then yeah. they aren't going to do shit except get you dependent on them. Sadly, the bleedover does go over to other fields because some psychiatrists are just lazy twats. If a kid is being a rambunctious kid, the so-called doctor just wants to pump he kid so full of drugs that they become mindless little fucking zombies instead of figuring out the root cause(shitty parenting), so what makes us think the same isn't done to adults?

So yeah. if they have a real mental disorder like schizophrenia or an actual chemical imbalance in the brain that causes unexplainable depression,then why take them?

I took antidepressants about 3 months.

Psychiatryst warned that i might feel worse fit week or so.

Well i felt fucking worse Murch worse. And not only week. I had fucking paranoia, it was horrible.

And also constant nausea. Im happy that im off these meds.

>>132266919
I'm only on 50mg of zoloft but damn my ocd disappeared on it and it was pretty damn ocd. I wish I knew about this stuff a long ass time ago.

>>132267547
inb4 teh jooz

Im >>132267010


>>132260661
They do help, he is wrong. Read my post above. He is correct about charging dose or drug though. They need to be very closely regulated. I can see a shooter going on rampage after stopping his meds or changing dose.
>>132260758
psychosis and hallucinations would only happen if you already have a latent mental health condition that would cause that. In that case then yes, that can be triggered.
>>132262468
Like I said in previous post Ive suffered with depression since I was very young. You need diet, exercise and structure in life, not meds.
Use the meds to get into a cycle, get some structure in your life. Get up early, run to gym, work out, run back, eat, shower, work, meet up with friends, come back, eat, read/whatever, sleep rinse and repeat.

>>132261272
I notice it's mostly autistic christards who still push them. Read up on the history of the DSM you dumbfuck.

>>132257929

They literally increase suicidal ideation in people with depression.

So, yes.

Not to mention it fucks up your thyroid forever.

>>132266555

Have they actually been on the shit they prescribe?

I have actual experience with them, not just theory.

I'm going to try weening myself off anti-depressants and onto something more natural like St. John's Wort. I've been on 10mg Escitalopram per day for 2 years. Should I start buy taking half a pill per day or 1 pill every 2 days?

>>132267738
Yeah totally, it acts on a spectrum of symptoms and OCD or obsessive thoughts are in it. I remember even describing it to my councillor that I stopped looping and get over things much quicker. I fucked up by forgetting to take the blisters with me on holiday and when I returned I was too confident that I was past the bullshit. How wrong I was..

>>132267547
This, most "professionals" are Prussian serf sadists who read the brochure and use it"s BS to get rich.

>>132267771
Not an argument nigger. Doctors being intelligent and educated doesn't mean that they don't commit scams.

>>132257929
Retard detected.

>>132267150
tnx for the link. That was pretty depressing to read...

>>132257929
I told my doctor I had insomnia (I do) and she prescribed me a "major" anti-depressant for it. Ambien works amazingly for me, I only need to take it twice a week but nooooooooo, better use the drug that re-writes your brain instead of the one that works.

>>132269335
sorry, but better be informed than eunuch.
Buproprione doesn't have those long lasting effects, all it did was make me angry very fast.

Welp been on antibiotics depressants for a month, and haven't felt this good since I was a child, but reading this thread has got my worried I'll get hooked and only the pills will ever give me happiness

FML

>>132269686
Opps auto correct changed anti to antibiotics

>>132269686

The thing about them is that everyone has a different experience.

If they are working for you, then good, but don't take them forever. You shouldn't take any pharmaceutical forever unless you'll literally die if you don't.

They're a crutch, treat them as such.

>>132268764
i was inb4ing jew apologists

>>132269426
Mirtazapine would be one, at least it's dopaminergic. don't fall for pregabaline either. if I can't sleep: 5mg Clotiapine. yes, that stuff.
>>132270008
this

>>132270080
Why take an antidepressant or anti-psychotic at all though? Ambien works for me wonderfully, all I need.

>>132270008
I understand, thanks mate, need to improve my life while I'm on them to be able to get off of them

>>132259651
I'm pro-marijuana and even I think you are absolutely retarded

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>>132257929
>taking anti-depressants
>not self medicating your depression with alcohol, amphetamines, and benzos

>>132270343

You've got the right mindset, you'll get through it.

Just remember that your depression is ultimately conquered by your willpower and your ability to track down the root of WHY (you can't be afraid to ask yourself why, honestly, about every self-sabotaging impulse you have).

>>132270504
You would be my negro two years ago when I was an alcoholic methhead, but in all honesty it just made my depression worse :-):-):-)

>>132270288
>either
None I consider good after having used them.
Clotiapine is hard reset, 5mg is a quarter normal dose. other than Ambien it doesn't just put me off to sleep, it prolongs rest and I'm very relaxed, although a little dumb, the next day.
>>132270697
someone just mentioned acid?

>>132270504

Psilocybin will do you better than any of those.

>>132270788

>someone just mentioned acid?

I wouldn't generally recommend it for depression, depends on the constitution of the person taking it and the environment they take it in, though.

>>132270697
Man, your a good dude, didn't expect this on /pol/.

Thanks man, gonna take your advice and figure out why, while I'm feeling good

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>>132257929
>ANTI-DEPRESSANTS ARE BULLSHIT
>THEY ARE JUST A PHARMA COMPANY'S DRUG

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2007/may/13/socialcare.medicineandhealth

Eli Lilly, the company behind Prozac, originally saw an entirely different future for its new drug. It was first tested as a treatment for high blood pressure, which worked in some animals but not in humans. Plan B was as an anti-obesity agent, but this didn't hold up either. When tested on psychotic patients and those hospitalised with depression, LY110141 - by now named Fluoxetine - had no obvious benefit, with a number of patients getting worse. Finally, Eli Lilly tested it on mild depressives. Five recruits tried it; all five cheered up. By 1999, it was providing Eli Lilly with more than 25 per cent of its $10bn revenue.

https://theconversation.com/antidepressants-may-be-no-better-than-a-placebo-so-why-take-them-32430

In this most recent study, people with at least moderate depression received support and encouragement alone, or coupled with an antidepressant or a placebo. Those who received an antidepressant or placebo did better than those who got only support. But placebos improved depression nearly as much as the active drug and the difference wasn’t significant.

An earlier review found antidepressants offered minimal benefit over placebos except in very severe depression, where the benefit was substantial. And a 2008 study found antidepressants were no more effective even in severe depression; very depressed people were just less responsive to placebos.

>>132270938
absolutely. it's no joke and it can work. perhaps the reason why I use Clotiapin now and then..

>>132271092
Let's archive it

>https://theguardian com/society/2007/may/13/socialcare.medicineandhealth
https://archive.is/1H0zA

>>132266652
This, when you leave your irrigation on 24/7 all the plants drown. Milking your brain for serotonin 24/7 is no different.

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>>132270799
I like alcohol and benzos precisely because they give me an undeserved ego boost and make me care less about my shit situation

Psilocybin would do the exact opposite

If you're going to ween yourself off, is it better to take a half pill every day or a whole pill every other day? Escitalopram (lexapro) for reference.

buy a musical instrument learn to play it.
this works more for me than the pills ever did.

>>132271011

I've been through it, I know what it feels like.

I don't want other people to have to reach the levels I did to pull themselves out of it.

>>132271339

I agree with anon, alcohol boosts your good feelings if you don't abuse it.
Psilocybin shreds you & makes you face things but gives no idea how to fix them.

>>132271756

>Psilocybin shreds you & makes you face things but gives no idea how to fix them.

It also gives you a feeling of connection, one that can't be replicated by alcohol.

by the way: crazymeds.us
some good aspie collected loads of information.

>>132260737
>Don't smoke weed or the 2D grills will never kiss you back
You're fucking gay m8

>>132259651
>manning the fuck up
a meme pushed by feminists anytime a man speaks up about hypocrisy and heresy
>a fucking leaf

>>132257929
they suppress rather than fix, but some people need that to get better, I know I did.

>>132271611
Hope all is well in your life now mate.

Thanks for helping a random anon

>>132272204

Loving the chance to wake up every single day.

You'll get there too, we're all gonna make it bro.

i took 100mg zoloft every day for 1 year. quit cold-turkey and didnt even feel a thing. what's up with that?

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I got incredibly depressed after a month without running and fapping due kidney stone removal surgery, but as soon as I resumed those two I felt good again

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> semi related

I just weened myself off of xanax after 6-7 years. Definitely served its purpose but ready to stop going to (((them))) for refills.

>>132272717

Exercise definitely helps a ton.

Also, two years of no porn, no fap.

Life changer, man.

Jew free

Is it true that St. John's Wort works as well as SSRI's?

the entire """mental health"""" field is a scam

>>132272946
No

>>132272946

better. but apparently a few people just lose their fucking minds, nobody's really sure why, or if maybe they would have regardless. there's like almost 0 actual research done on herbal remedies

>>132273126

I just know when I started escitalopram I did a little research, and one thing that kept popping up was "do not take this with st. john's wort because it can cause serotonin syndrome"

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>>132257929
Shit made me a zombie and even more of a wackjob. Having a dad in the picture and maybe some light anti-anxiety meds might have helped but it's 20 years too late now.

>>132272946
SSRI's are barely more effective than a placebo anyways.

>>132273235

the idea these days is that it basically functions as a mild SSRI in your body and also an anti-inflammatory but without all the nasty side effects from the pills. so if you're taking a natural SSRI and a prescription SSRI it can basically lead to an OD

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>>132262566
It's called lexapro where I'm from, but I was on that shit for a while too
it helps to get your mood from a 2/10 to a 5 or 6/10 but I found it kind of stopped me from getting past that.
Counselling is the key I think. Helped me more than the pills anyway. Got a sound fella who was ex-military and was just a top tier bloke all-round.
At a certain point I said fuck it and stopped taking them because I felt like a zombie.
>don't do this.
Had fucking tremors, moodswings and spasms from the withdrawals, but my mood was 8/10 on an average day after that

>>132274105
Yeah I'm gonna try to switch over gradually. Unfortunately I can't get an answer as to whether half a pill per day or 1 pill every other day is the best way to go about it. I need a weening schedule (escitalopram).

>>132261414
>I definitely notice a difference. The latter is more recent, and was added bc lexapro, being an ssri, took some joy out of things while also reducing depression and anxiety. Wellbutrin works by increasing dopamine output, so it replaced the joy that I was losing to the other. I took a break from them for about 2 years, and I definitely noticed myself degrading: daily weed smoking, no commitment to my future (part of the weed smoking), being an antisocial recluse. It all ended in me having to leave college and nearly start from scratch.
>Definitely worried about the prospect of total dependency in the long run, but for now I'm social, have a gf, am more assertive, and generally feel in control of my life.

Im basically the same but take citalopram.

>>132274646

I'm in your exact situation. You're saying you cut it cold turkey? I been on it for about 2 years.

Y'all need Jesus

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>struggle with depression since puberty
>at a new low, life falling apart for various reasons
>go to doctor for regular check-up, end up leaving with script for Wellbutrin
>start having panic attacks within the month
>go full psychotic after about 6 weeks
>delusional, hearing voices, altered thought processes

Results not typical, but goddamn if that wasn't one of the worst decisions of my life to take those pills. I'm doing way better now, I think that was the wake-up call I needed to get my shit together and put in the work I needed to fix myself down to the subroutines.

All the memes about strict diet and exercise are true, as is keeping a journal to force yourself to clarify your thoughts and identify cognitive distortions - and I've even gained some faith in traditional remedies, namely rhodiola and bacopa. They're adaptogens, not anti-depressants per se, but I think my depression is and has been fundamentally a stress response, and I'm sure there are many out there who suffer the same etiology, so it might be worth mentioning here.

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>>132275016
I was only on it for about a year, so chances are it could be worse for you if you stopped altogether tomorrow.I just got frustrated and stopped refilling my prescription as opposed to consulting my doctor and working out a couple month long plan where the dosage is gradually reduced.
If you really feel like you've reached a plateau in regards to how much the pills can help you feel better, talk to your counsellor/doctor about starting to come off them.
just in case you're thinking of the cold turkey approach, here are a few of the symptoms I suffered
>Profuse sweating
>Fits of rage
>Suicidal thoughts
>Insomnia
>Loss of appetite
>Fluttering sensations in my brain
>Muscle spasms
It was a stupid move on my part but I'm a much happier person now, due more to the stress management tools i learned in counselling ie. setting achievable goals, to do lists, planning your meals and cooking them from scratch, cleaning your house, socialising with friends as much as possible.
I hope this helps anon, best of luck to you

I suggest you do some research and look at testomonies of people trying to come off of anti-depressants. They completely re-wire your brain chemistry and take 6 months to a year to completely come off of. If you try cold turkey on a moderate-high dose the chance you can't handle the withdrawl symptoms or commit suicide is astronomically high. People complain of things like electric shocks in their head coming off the drugs.

You can manage depression with non-chemistry altering means.

>>132276277
>People complain of things like electric shocks in their head coming off the drugs.

I can testify to that shit

One thing I notice is not mentioned here is that some people straight up have a chemical unbalance in their brains. Sadly, at this time only medication can help these people. Ssri meds on the other hand barely work. Not only do you have to find the right ome, even those don't help all that much. The real messed up thing is this stuff is often prescribed for situational depression, not clinical depression. There is a a big difference.

>>132276437
Ohhhhhh yeah. I was on the max dose of Zoloft for 14 years. Coming off that shit was no fun. Your brain is literally trying to rwbalce itself.

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>>132276652
>I was on the max dose of Zoloft for 14 years.
holy fucking shit anon, that must have been one hell of an experience to say the least

Anyone have experience with schizophrenia and meds?

I'm turning 21 soon and I'm worried that I'm starting to show signs. I have close family that have the paranoid variety and it's more than a little unsettling, especially from what I hear about meds not working entirely.

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Jesus Christ, /pol/, here's the answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuQgJxYriYI

>>132257929
>they made an engine hoist into a fat person caddy

They stole my idea.

From experience they work but they suck. I used venlafaxine for 6 months. Decided to stop when I finally had sex because it reduced libido, made it hard to have an erection and reaching orgasm was harder than running uphill against the wind for an hour. And having sex fixed some fears of being doomed which made it not that necessary anymore and rumination went away.

Aside from that I gained weight very fast and sweat like a pig. Plus the first weeks make you more emotional than a pregnant lesbian. Then you lose inhibitions and stop giving a fuck. Apparently that's the moment where a lot of depressed people kill themselves but well I was not to that point anymore so it was kinda cool. Then you become apathetic but rather productive. I'm glad I'm off. Felt pretty good to be able to enjoy music again.

Overall they helped me dealing with life and reducing anxieties which brought me down, while I was trying new things to fix my life which eventually worked enough. Also don't waste your life online you'll regret it.

>>132276277
Yes that "electric shock" feeling. I was only on them for 6 months but when it stopped it lasted for 2 months. I used weed to temporarily not feel it. I also felt kinda flu like but I didn't see a drop in my performance in weightlifting.

>>132276951
Amazingly, it wasn't that bad. The brain zaps and the emotional roller coaster was the worst part. I went cold turkey when I had weened down to 100mg as I wanted to speed things up. Right decision on my part. The next 3 weeks sucked, but I got through it. Most people have a way worse time. I was extremely lucky. My experience was extremely rare as it's usually far worse. My psych doc was amazed. Still sucked though. Now I have actual emotions Now! It's actually kind of hard to get used too, but even sadness feels good! Feeling something rather than nothoing is way better.

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read anatomy of an epidemic.

spoilers: anti-depressants fuck you up

>>132279056
Haha I've been on most of those at one point or another lithium and zyprexa were the worst.

>>132257929

The warnings are real.
The side-effects are real.
The addiction is real.
The withdrawal is real.

The only thing that isn't real is the claim that they alleviate/cure depression. Zero research indicating that; zero fucks given by Big Pharma.

>>132279056
Oh and risperdal sucked too.

>>132261414
>he fell for the anti-depressant meme
Kek. Have fun with your zero-resiliency lifestyle

>>132257929
On Zoloft right now they seem to be working real well for me but it could just be a coincidence.

>>132261414
Bro you're fucked and will probably kill yourself by 40

>>132261563
this

>>132262544
come on man. Talk therapy? Does it get any more cucked? The pain you feel is an opportunity for growth.

>>132280991
>>132280991
Eh, sometimes verbalizing something helps you process it. Not saying it works for everyone, but it's better than psych meds.

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>>132267078

>>132261664
Also important for gut health:
Cut out sugar and grains

I take citalopram and ariprazole every day. Absolutely changed my life for the better.

>>132257929
THIS
>Get sun, eat healthy, drink healthy, make sport, especially eat, fat fish and nuts, socialize.

Your brain cannot function normally without fresh food.
You have to put GAS in the car, nothing else will do

>>132281311
Talk therapy is cucked. If you say anything bad enough you'll get reported too. You're literally paying someone to pretend to care about your personal problems. I only tell you this because you cannot really fix yourself until you realize you do not need monthly talk therapy.

>>132265582
Great argument for why we should ban Zoloft Abdul

>>132271339
>benzo
Took molly and Benzo with a mate and woke up in a stolen car worth 100k$
Dont remember shit but we had many pictures and videos from that night lol

>>132266555
Lmao, good one Mr. Ode To Joy
Doctors are some of the most indoctrinated folks out there. The "Years of Med School" are mostly just them memorizing facts and doing scut work and being shit on by higher ups. You think any of them stay up to date on the literature? Hardly any of them do actual research.
Med School is textbook good goy programming. None of them ever question what they're taught because their too busy memorizing them so they can regurgitate the correct set of facts on their board exams.

>>132260131
aww

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>ITT: a bunch of post-fact anti-science republicans talk about conspiracy theories of how the last 300 years of proven medical science is just a jew scheme
You people don't deserve to live, people like this are what hold us back with retarded as fuck anti-stem cells policies

Psychopharmacologist here. Quick overview.

SSRIs like Prozac and Zoloft are predominantly emotional pain killers. They flatten your mood. If your depression is marked with emotional pain or emotional liability they can help.
They're useless for anhedonic depression where you already feel nothing and can't get motivated to get out of bed.

TCAs vary greatly between them but in general they feel like being hit with a sedative due to their antihistamine and anticholinergic effects. They also often have mood flattening effects but are sometimes activating as well which is good for low energy depression.

MAOIs are the gold standard. Moclobimide, a RIMA, is less intense than a full MAOI or SSRI but it's one of the nicest antidepressants if it works.
It produces a mild mood lift and emotional dampening but it isn't very strong and a lot of patients report it not working at all. Personally I find moclobimide to feel like a small dose of MDMA for the first few weeks.

Irreversible MAOIs I argue are beat strong antidepressants in general but they have diet restrictions and many negative drug-drug interactions.

Parnate is amazing, it's like an MAOI mixed with amphetamines. If anhedonia, lack of motivation and lethargy plague you then it's a great option.

Nardil is like an MAOI mixed with a benzo. Great for anxiety but it can be sedating and is known to cause constipation.

Amphetamines like adderall are effective antidepressants for the anhedonia/type.
And opioids are great for melancholia.

There are plenty of others I haven't covered

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>>132257929
Try getting more sun on you and exercise
It's free.
If that doesn't work then try whatever the pharmajew wants to shove into you

>>132286434
The real problem with antidepressents isn't that they don't work, but rather they sweep your real underlying problems under the rug.

>>132264296
It's called California rocket fuel because a Californian psychiatrist helped popularise the combo.

>>132287728
Inb4
Reeee shill shut up jew, (((science)))

>>132287728

As someone who has been on escitalopram for 2 years (10mg/day) and is sick of this zombie-like "painkiller" effect, how would you recommend I go about weening myself off? And once completed, would you recommend starting something like St. John's Wort to keep myself more level-headed in general?

>>132286434
GTFO tumblrtard.

>>132288169
Tapering the dose by dropping the dose by the smallest amount you can every week or two weeks should prevent any terrible withdrawal effects.
If you want to replace it with something start with what symptoms are causing you the most problem and look into drugs that treat those symptoms.
St. Jon's Wort isn't a bad idea as a suppliment

>>132288500
>No argument
>starts saying buzzwords
Expected

>>132257929

Just do some push ups.

>>132286434
Anti-depressants have only been around since the 50's and we really don't know how they work or why they affect different people differently.
But there's money is selling pills so obviously if they can find a pill and can justify using it to treat X then they'll sell it. The problem with psyche mess is that the conditions being treated aren't even well defined or well understood and are literally imaginary diseases.
I bet you would have defended lobotomies and blood letting back in the day too cause you fucking shitlibs just love "muh well educayted intelligencia"

>>132288916

Yeah that's what I was thinking. I think the part that benefitted me the most from the SSRI was the anti-anxiety benefits. I'd probably be better off just getting a straight up tranquilizer.

I guess I'll start by cutting down to a half pill per day for several weeks, then half pill every 2 days, etc.

HAHAHAHAHA what the fuck is that in the Ops pic? Is that seriously for lifting fatties out of bed?

Also pro tip. If you take these or are thinking of taking them do NOT let idiots on /pol/ convince you either way. Talk to your doctor. Or family who are on it.

Venlafaxine has helped me greatly.

Sure I'm lucky in that I found a drug with almost no negative side effects (it does decrease my sex drive, but no issues preforming. Basically I just don't think with my dick anymore or have hornyness be a distraction in everyday life).

But they do take time to work.

>>132257929
Was on them for a while, it was basically chemical castration, couldn't get my dick hard to save my life. Also reduce sperm count and testosterone, stopped taking them after that. Don't go near the chemical jew.

>>132262566
I was on Eskimolotran for 1day and chased my neighbours cat because i thought she was a dragon. I made it without the pills. In the end you realize how obnoxious this whole story is and you just go on with your life to more important things than ridicolous thoughts and feelings, shady doctors, crazy pills and a science that isnt even there.

>>132287728
what about NDRIs

Yes stop anti-depressants. Get on TRT instead and go lift.

>>132260131
Think about the people that would be torn up about your death.

That's what gets me. I always intended to top myself as soon as my parents were dead, since technically I'm their property lol, but now I have two niblings and I don't want to fuck them up.

Just got to hope I die in an accident or something, mebby a truck of peace, wouldn't mind getting blown up tussling with a snackbar desu

>>132262561
I was on 300mg Zoloft for 7 years. I tried to suicide several times and committed 5 times. Stepped off to Wellbutrin about 2 years ago and my life is completely better in every way. I feel for the first time. See beauty. Relate. It saved my life, desu.

>>132280757
not him but you sound like the dumbest person on the face of the planet. i don't necessarily support the use of anti-depressants but you can''t just tell someone they're fucked when you don't even know them. YOU should kill yourself man.

I pictured my thought process as a river that flows into the ocean. At the end of the day, hour, minute, second it flows into ocean. You decide wheter its a bumpy ride or not. It put me back in control of my ship and also solved the spiritual problem: Why crash ship on rock then lie nacked on rock in the hot sun and moan because you are masturbating to the amazonas woman on the top of the cliff?

>>132291045
Going off Ritalin they're stimulating and would work in a similar fashion to amphetamines. So good for motivation, energy and anhedonia

>>132267078
Was a pretty accurate post until your cringy post shit. You didn't need to add this, seriously.

>>132259651
I'll never understand why people criticize alcoholics. Potheads are just as bad.