Serious Question

>>132241108
How did Russia help Trump exactly?

That as so long ago that nobody gives a fuck anymore. We got other fish to fry.

Do I think the Russians interfered in the election? Yes. Do I think it got Trump elected? No.

Do I think the Russians did the world a favor by exposing the media's collusion with the Dems? Yes.

And the media got burnt just as bad as they did.

>>132241242
Putin drove to Michigan and his kgb thugs forced me to vote Republican

What do you mean by helped? If online trolling is helping, then sure, they helped. But you gotta consider that the MSM was entirely behind Hillary. Online trolls can't compete against that.

>>132241242
i think the claim is subverting the narrative and or hillary/pedosta emails

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They are lying about it for several reasons:

>Delegitimize the president in order to subvert him
>Lay the groundwork for impeachment
>Distract his team from achieving their goals
>Cover the fact that they rigged numerous voting machines systems and organized a ground game of voter fraud on a massive multi-million vote scale.

>>132241108
Russia did nothing that the US doesn't do all the time.

why would they want Hillary to be president?

>>132241108
Do you think Russia helped Obama win?
They were meddling in US elections for both his elections and many elections before it.

The USA has done the same since the collapse of the Soviet Union.

>>132241108
Why would I assume that Russia is entirely innocent? I'm even one of the people early on who criticized Putin for making a public statement in clear support of Trump.

But does it matter? Was that why Trump won? Of course not. If there were anything significant to it, we'd have proofs by now.

>>132241108
Dems: Trying to deflect from wikileaks and demonize opposition party.

Media: Same shit.

Trump has worsened our relations with Russia. That conspiracy theory smells like 2 things:

1. Make Trump look legitimate in the eyes of his sheep supporters. If the media hates him, he must be legit!
2. Trump is the fall guy, he will carry out the establishment's dirty work (saving ISIS) before being impeached and desensitizing the public to political hatred and violence which benefits the Jew

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Yes, the Russians helped Hillary win the popular vote. They weren't happy with only 20% of our plutonium.

>>132241475
>Russia did nothing that the US doesn't do all the time.

Two wrong make a right?

>>132241441
Trump's actions doesn't really help.

>>132241108
>why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it
They lie about everything. Why do you believe they don't when you can clearly see they do?

Unsauceable thread?

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>>132241242
>How did Russia help Trump exactly?

Trump and Putin hacked the election together as they cuddled together on a heart shaped bed in Moscow. They hacked it.

>>132241108

>H-h-help, can't s-stop thinking about p-p-pizza gate. The Russian hacking is t-t-too strong!

Liberals unironically believe this.

>>132241242
HE HACKED THE VOTES YOU FUCKING LEAF

>>132241108
I don't think it's so much a conspiracy and more of a desperate attack. Sure Russian could have interfered in our election but most people only care because they think it can get Trump impeached. The thing is, Obama knew about Russian interference back in late 2015 and did nothing to stop it and only started caring after Trump won which makes me wonder if Trump was the one Russia was actually trying to help. Obama says he didn't say anything because he didn't want to come off as biased but he campaigned for Hillary so that's obviously a lie.

>>132241108
>one candidate has the support of all american and european media
>has the support of all the journalists
>has support of all the celebrities
>actors constantly make videos endorsing her
>tweeting to their millions of followers to vote for her
>a bunch of russian shills created memes and instigated a mail scandal which every media refuted as fake
>still lose

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>>132241108
I memed pretty hard for Trump. Does that mean Canada interfered with the election? I'll wait.

>>132241242
>How did Russia help Trump exactly?
By releasing damaging Democrat emails, while keeping damaging Republican emails to themselves for later blackmail.
How do you not know this already?

>>132241108
that picture though.. you trying to give us an heart attack?

>>132241108
>Russia helped Trump by making Hillary seem unlikable, as though people didn't already realize she is a slimy sociopath
>Meanwhile, Obama is interfering in the Brexit vote by threatening to send the UK to the back of the line for trade deals

Why is anyone supposed to care about this forced meme? Russia shitposted about Hillary? So did I. Who fucking cares?

>>132241815
DAY
OF
THE
RAKE

>>132241379
>the MSM was entirely behind Hillary
NOBODY was behind Hillary.
She was the least popular democrat in living memory, and STILL beat your "poor man's Reagan" by 3 million votes..

>>132241419

The Hillary/Podesta emails appeared do to a whistle blower and a Romanian hacker.

I know Americans are geographically challenged but Romania is not Russia.

>>132241108
OP thinks that liars repeating memes changes reality. If that were the case you better take away the 1st amendment rights from flat earthers, or we will no longer be able to use sattellites GPS or google maps.

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>>132241108
>why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it?
because burglary was what reveealed mkultra, noy FOIA requests?

>OMG THE COLLUSION
what's the legal definition of "collusion", exactly?
>BUT THEY HACKED
Hacked what?
>THE ELECTION
Collusion isn't even a crime, is it?
>TRUMP IS MENTALLY UNFIT

>>132241819
Exposing the corruption and incompetence of a presidential candidate is called helping the American people.

>>132241804
>>still lose

When will this meme die?
YES, Hillary was massively unpopular.
YES, it's the EC, not the popular vote that counts
BUT: Hillary STILL beat Donald by three million votes.
Any story you spin that says "hillary didn't win the support of the voters because...." ignores the fact that Trump did an even poorer job of romancing the voters.

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>>132241242
They spoofed Lynches email and emailed Comey saying they werent going to press charges on Hillary. Comey read the email and was curious so he asked Lynch if she wasnt going to press charges and she told him to get out of her office because Comey cant be that fucking stupid to ask questions like that. Comey went on stage and made a corrupt buffoon out of himself stating all of Hillarys crimes then hes wasnt going to push for charges.

Comey and the FBI dont want to admit they are major fuck ups. Lynch already looks like a corrupt fuckup meeting Clinton on the plane so she stays quiet. Trump doesnt want his win tainted by Comeys idiocy helping him so they dont want it public.

This conspiracy is the only one that makes sense logically.

>>132241819
Wikileaks released those, are you saying wikileaks is a Russian organisation? Why did they only become Russian when they targeted dems but we're hero's when they exposed shit from the Bush admin?

>>132241419
>i think the claim is subverting the narrative and or hillary/pedosta emails

That's interesting, because Obama and DNC all claimed the idea of Russian hacking/meddling as preposterous when they believed Clinton to be a lock for POTUS.

Funny how quick things change when you get your ass handed to you.

>>132241108
They're all in on it, the Clintons, Bushes, Obamas, Putins, UKs May, Macron, etc.
Just a travelling circus troupe playing roles
It's a show, a farce, scripted by the (((media)))
They're all in it together
and they're all against us

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>>132241929

>>132241108
>Still saying that russia helped Trump with no proof
>because shillary doesn't has confirmed sabotage, paid voters and million of illegals bought to vote for her
I love the hypocresy.

>>132241819

You do realize that the wikileaks had nothing to do with Russia but a whistle blower and a Romanian hacker.

>>132241108
Burden of proof lies with those making the claims. If you're going to claim russia hacked anything you need proof. How did they do it? when did they do it? did they just steal her emails? did they actually hack the voting machines? what the fuck do you actually think happened and wheres the evidence that you're basing that belief off of? Seriously, liberals and boomers in this country are fucking retarded. They can't tell a lie from hard factual evidence. Literally retarded.

>>132241108
Well what is the remedy? We help certain people get elected across the globe? Of course countries have interests they want to defend, faggot. Jesus Christ, you people are children. Every fucking leader in the world "conspired" to get the jaggoff nigger elected.

>>132241819
>I just make stuff up, mom
>its keks

>>132241819
>>132241929
Are ya shillin', son?

>>132241766
>HE HACKED THE VOTES YOU FUCKING LEAF

In favor of Clinton?

>>132241108
without that lordosis pose she'd be a flat board

>>132241948
>The Hillary/Podesta emails appeared do to a whistle blower and a Romanian hacker.
do you have a source for that? specifically the romanian hacker? i havent read anything other than muh le russia apart from the seth rich frenzy a couple weeks ago

>>132242077
indeed

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>>132241242
>>132241766
pic related

>>132241108
that's a nice body, have a bump

>>132241242
They did a lot of things. They hacked the DNC and DCCC and gave all the democrats information to the republicans. They also hacked state voter rolls and fucked with them so it was harder for people to vote and they hacked a lot of computers of the companies that manage the voting machines. They also ran a bunch of fake news sites that posted fake articles about hillary and the democrats. They used tons of bots that posted on sites like twitter and used botnets to track individual voters and target them with disinformation in key swing states. They also used paid online posters who coordinated on websites to sway public opinion in favor of trump. They also made false information about loretta lynch helping hillary or something that supposedly forced comey's hand in saying he was reopening the hillary email investigation. Some less reputable media outlets are also reporting that Weiner may have been catfished and hillary's emails were planted on his computer by russian hackers, thus forcing comey to reopen the investigation in the first place. This last part isn't mainstream but the rest is and is purported as fact by both the media and government.

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>>132241108
Putin himself put a collar bomb filled with /pol/onium on me and forced me to vote for Trump. He can't keep getting away with this!

>>132241108
What? All I care about is sticking my dick in that grill

>>132241108

Do I believe the Russians helped Trump get elected?

Of course I don't.

Study after study, expert after expert, has said that Russia's efforts had little to no effect on voters.

So, of course they did not help Trump get elected.

Did they fuck with us? Yup. But not much really. If your vote is changed because of Russian spam bots on Facebook, then there's not much help for you.

>>132241367
Dude same, nobody was gonna vote Trump here in Arizona until they showed up

>>132242277
>that's a nice body
wrong. she's skinnyfat. imagine if she wasn't lordosis-posing. she'd have a fat paunch and her "ass" would be a pancake.

she obviously doesn't lift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE-hKEA8ALo

when you shill this hard

>>132242067
Hahahahaha. I heard Limbaugh pushing this shit last week?
>OK, we need to come up with a story where no one gets in trouble for all our obvious crimes
>Lets go with incompetence again
LMAO

>>132241108
Russia did not directly try to influence the election, Hillary Clinton was such a god awful candidate that reeked of corruption. It was effortless to point out her highly questionable behaviour and anybody that did so was called a liar or a hacker. Wikileaks was started and based in iceland due to no laws that effect the internet, but people (((democrats))) claim they are somehow russian even though most of the members are westerners from countries like the UK and the USA.

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>>132241242
>>132241766
>>132241819

>>132241108
I'm sure there were Russian individuals involved in his campaign Just as there would be people from other nationalities, I dont believe the Russian government contributed however

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>>132242412
>>132241242
>>132241766
>>132241819
>believing fake news

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>>132241242
>>132241766
>>132241819
>shilling for fake news

>>132242239

Guccifer a Romanian hacker leaked the info that Hillary Clinton had a private server and it wouldn't be that hard to think that he also had access to it and leaked some of the info to Wikileaks.

One of the first results is RT: https://www.rt.com/viral/372005-2016-biggest-leaks-hacks/
But you can go search for it yourself.

>>132241108
Of course the Russians didn't help Trump get elected, have you even been paying attention? CNN even admitted the whole thing is a nothing burger, it's all just drama for TV ratings.

>>132241108
considering meme shitposts on 4chan from a russian flag meddling in anything is the biggest fucking joke ever.

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>>132241242
>>132241766
>>132241819
how much is brock paying you faggots?

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>>132242288
So everything the DNC fucked up themselves is now being blamed on Russia, with absolutely zero proof.

Brilliant.

>>132241766
well since the voting machines were all soros owned and we know how leftists LOVE to project

good to know that leftists ALSO hacked the votes

>>132242502
>implying Putin didn't create pepe

>>132241108
In the most recent US election, the voters were more informed than they had ever been about the histories of both candidates, and exactly half as informed as they should have been.

>>132242371
Honestly tho it seems more plausible than "made awesome memes and had twitter bots" no ones grandma is going ever see.

>>132242288
There's literally zero evidence for any of that.

Jesus christ dems are so desperate they just make shit up now.

>>132242109
Its religion, how dare you deny the almighty russian hacker? Lulz upon him

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>>132242288
>They also ran a bunch of fake news sites that posted fake articles about hillary and the democrats

thats rich

>>132241367
Holy shit we should start spreading this across social media. Contact news sources anonymously saying Russian agents strong-armed people (including "myself") into voting republican. Say that the threats extended to family and that if they didn't vote republican too they'd all be killed. Make it sound like people were afraid to speak up. We could probably spin this in a way where it sounds believable and also could expand on a national level.

>>132241596
so what, just keep piling on wrongs then?

>>132241929
Wait, I though she was extreamly popular, the most qualified candidate EVER, and loved by all.

If that's not true, then why aren't you demanding answers from your party.

>>132241819
>By releasing damaging Democrat emails

Is Seth Rich Russian?

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>>132241108
>Do any of you on here actually believe that the Russians didn't help Trump get elected?
Since there has been zero actual evidence collected, I have no reason to believe it. Also, HILLARY is the one who gave them 20% of our uranium, so I think they would be far more likely to help her if they helped anyone.

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>>132241419
>i think the claim is subverting the narrative and or hillary/pedosta emails

>someone hacked / leaked the Democrats' own actual e-mails
>the only damning part about them is that they're all fucking true
>someone, Russian or otherwise, revealing the truth to the American public is now "unfair meddling in the election"

I cannot see myself being compelled to vote for the Democrats ever again.

>>132241108
sauce pls

>>132242064
>BUT: Hillary STILL beat Donald by three million votes.
that remains to be seen

>>132241108
I have a better question. What do the democrats offer of any substance? (Citing sources. Don't just say "muh healthcare" find me a coalition of democratic representatives with a viable healthcare plan)
Pro tip: you can't.
The democrats are shit.

>>132241108
actually da
me and my broski from fsb cyberbullied a couple thousands of you guys into voting for tramp

KGB here

U /pol tards are up to something and we are
Going to make you look really bad

Hang on to your IPs and get ready for

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>>132242623
Its not even slightly plausible. It's an obvious attempt to cover everyone's ass. Only Comey is implicated, the man who was already fired and compensated, and he's only guilty of falling for le epic Russian ruze, but he tried to help America!
Garbage

>>132242862
We have to impeach Trump to find out how much the Russians hacked the election.

>>132242625
The government and media claim otherwise. Rather than argue with you and post links which you would deny, I'd simply ask you to answer my original questions: why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it? How many people do you think are in on the conspiracy and how many do you think are just being used? Who is leading the deception and why?

>>132242964
kek

>>132242288
Proofs?

However, please keep pushing muh Russia. And make sure to run Hilldawg again in 2020. Dblumpft btfo. TWO SCOOPS!

>>132242479
alright thanks
it still assumes that guccifier is telling the truth when taking credit for the hack
more likely than russia at least

>>132242753
i get you
its hilarious the way they acted and are acting

>>132241108
The Russian can shitpost as much as they want on 4chan, reddit or anywhere else.

They can advocate for whatever they want.

There is no indication they changed one vote through hacking a machine and illicitly changing votes. They may be behind a leak here or there, Putin did say Trump would be better Russia than Hillary, but the vote of individuals were still the votes of individuals.

The most likely real factor to influence people to vote republican is all the chimpout riots that 1 year and other acts of retardation that the status quo not only did nothing to stop but in some cases even encouraged.

Whether white bleeding heart liberals have any kind of intelligence simply due to the fact they are white is questionable at best but best be sure when Cesar starts encircling the gated communities and whole foods and blocks traffic they will change their tune real quick as virtue signaling only matters if you have rich white friends to show off too in your peaceful grotto garden.

The reason Russia/Trump is bullshit: it only gets pushed by DNC, their paid operatives (media) and their brainwashed true believers.

Anyone who is remotely objective knows it's bullshit to try and save face for running a shitshow campaign with a horrible candidate.

>>132243026
1. You have literally zero evidence and refuse to post anything, hilarious.

2. Already answered that, look at my earlier post. CNN producers literally admitted the Russia thing has no substance and it's all for ratings. Libtards just eat it up and keep watching the news hoping Drumpf will be impeached, even though there is literally zero evidence. It's Libtard soap opera drama, great media money.

>>132243026
>why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it?
They lie about everything but the weather, and they still get the weather wrong. Why do you pretend they don't lie about everything and have some sort of credibility remaining?

>>132242288
>They hacked the DNC

I dont know about other stuff but they definitely 100% did not do this

>>132243026
>The government and media claim otherwise.
Who exactly in the govenment and media claims otherwise?

Have they provided any actual evidence? I never seem to find any anywhere that I look.

The Russians didn't do anything to influence the election.

The media did.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/damaging-emails-dnc-wikileaks-dump/story?id=40852448

>>132241108
I believe in the spotless record of wikileaks. If they said it wasn't Russians im 100% sure it wasn't Russians.
>why lie?
Refusal to accept legitimate loss and terrible campaign despite 100% media support. The need to make an excuse for the donors, among which some of the most powerful people on earth.

Fear of Trump re-election in 2020. If he delivers on all of his promises, most important of which is Wall and good relations with Russia - he has a clear run. They understand that smearing is not enough to beat him. Making Russia American ally trumps any achievement of any other American president for at least last 20 years. That would shift entire global paradigm and start a new chapter of global politics. If he manages that - NOBODY will deny him a second term.

There's literally trillions of dollars spread among NATO, CIA, Pentagon and other agencies that are dependent in funding on having an external threat. Without it they will crumble and lose all the power they gained since Kennedy. That would be catastrophic and they cant allow it.

Its coordinated effort and nobody believes it except for the sheep/shills.

>>132241108

If Russians knowingly did anything they did the following:

>paid some programer to make specialized worms
>sent spearfishing campaigns to get email passwords
>got email passwords
>revealed the insider hypocrisy and horribleness of the DNC to the public

The only blame they could possibly have is they didn't keep their mouth shut. You want me as an American citizen to be upset at the person who didn't keep his mouth shut because who did the bad stuff and said the bad things happens to be running for president. I'm supposed to be upset because they are Russian and you know, even though the cold war is over Russia is still are eternal enemy for reasons we will never understand because their filthy communist...

TLDR: Russia leaked dirty laundry and I'm supposed to hate anyone who indirectly profited from that because Russia is evil.

>>132243048
I'll just post a few articles about the topic:
http://time.com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top-secret-nsa-report-details-russian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/
This last one is about the document reality winner is going to jail for leaking.
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
Government's report on the topic
http://time.com/4810345/james-comey-testimony-real-time-transcript/
This is a transcript of former FBI director James Comey's Testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee which has opened an investigation into Russian interference in the US elections. Here's a few relevant passages
>Chairman:
>Do you have any doubt that Russia attempted to interfere In the 2016 election?
>James Comey:
>None.
>Chairman Richard Burr - North Carolina:
>Do you have any doubt that the Russian government was behind the intrusions in the DNC and DCCC systems and the subsequent leaks of that information?
>James Comey:
>No, no doubt.
>Chairman Richard Burr - North Carolina:
>Do you have any doubt that the Russian government was behind the cyber intrusion in the state voter files?
>James Comey:
>No.
>Chairman:
>Do you have any doubt that officials of the Russian government were fully aware of these activities?
>Comey:
>No doubt.
...
>And in that timeframe there were more than the DNC and DCCC that were targets?
>James Comey:
>Correct, there was a massive effort to target government and non-governmental -- near governmental agencies like non-profits.
>Chairman:
>What would be the estimate of how many entities out there the Russians specifically targeted in that timeframe?
>James Comey:
>It's hundreds, I suppose it could be more than a thousand. But it's at least hundreds.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?430128-1/senate-intel-panel-told-21-states-targeted-russia-2016-election

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>>132243489
And here's the archive

>http://time com/4828306/russian-hacking-election-widespread-private-data
https://archive.is/qFe07
>http://time com/4810345/james-comey-testimony-real-time-transcript
https://archive.is/tPI7x

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>>132241108
>Be me, normal day in September 2016
>Walking to work
>Gang of KGB agents accost me at Starbucks >Ктo вы гoлocyeтe
>H...Hila...I'm with her
>Not anymore, comrade, you vote Trump now
>O...OK
>We watch from inside booth, we know who you vote.
>Da, Trump, then.

The Russians absolutely helped Trump get elected.

all you niggers responding to this faggots thread without sage should killyourself

>>132241108
>Do any of you on here actually believe that the Russians didn't help Trump get elected?
yes

>If so, why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it?
because politicians can cause political unrest on their opposition and the media sell news papers and get clicks

How many people do you think are in on the conspiracy and how many do you think are just being used? Who is leading the deception and why?
it is being equally propped up by anyone that has something to gain from it

After a year of this shit, reading people who still unironically believe the Russia collusion theory or people who still wish Hillary were president is starting to make me physically sick, I can't even read this bullshit anymore

>>132241108
The government literally said trump didn't have connections to russia.
It was snake oil being sold to liberals who latched onto anything no matter how unsourced it was because they didn't like the fat mean white man running for president.

>>132243318
The only 'evidence' ive seen was a report on the 'DNC hack' which showed a massive list of port probes (the kind that have probably 'attacked' your network printer several times in the span it takes you to read this post) from all over the world directed at DNC servers. Some of those probes came from IP addressees within russia.

That was literally the extent of their evidence and the media took this report and acted like it proved anything and retards bought it.

While its likly all major nations try to influence all other nations elections, there is no evidence the DNC hack was done by russia at all.

Adding to it, the russians have been accused of hacking multiple things for duplicates of the same information, and some information was already publicly available anyway. Perhaps the russians did hack something among all these things, but there is no evidence they hacked the DNC. There is however the fact that despite the lack of evidence, the media keeps insisting they did. This is evidence that the media can not be trust.

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>>132243521
The fact that this only did the time articles proves it's a bot. It always posts immediately after certain links are posted, mostly liberal sources.

>>132243318
Oh come on! Look at all the anonymous sources that prove it by being familiar with the Russians' thinking! It's so obvious that they're guilty, all the trusted media outlets say so constantly in their headlines, and that's good enough for me. I can't be bothered to think for myself or read past headlines, I have too much white privilege and need to spend my time virtue signaling and talking about things that matter like LGBTQWTFH rights, how Islam is a religion of peace, and how people of color need our help because they are underprivileged and oppressed.

>>132241108

SIGH

It wasn't the Russians.

It was the Subterranean Reptile People CONTROLLING the Russians.

Get it straight. Everyone knows this even though the media and government are covering it up.

>>132241108
fucking sexy ass.

I'm from the Philippines and our recently elected president was from a "Communist" group.

Sure it's a fucked up country, but hey the Philippines is a good airfield... might achieve victory in the Pacific if ever.

I have a pretty strong feeling that the russians manipulated media, especially social media. I do agent based modeling in my research, and you can indirectly control behavior of a network by controlling a very tiny amount of nodes as long as you coordinate between "your" nodes.

I think it's weird (well, not really) that there is so little effort spend on this compared to red herrings like pizza-gate and similar from the conspiratards.

At any rate the social media manipulation is pretty much all smoke, it's very hard to turn that into a legal argument, so even though I'm 99% sure it happened I don't think it will lead anywhere.

>still talking about muh russians allegations for last year election
>not a peep about media outlets provably funded by american jewish companies electing their puppet in france just two months ago
Go take a shower, Jacob.

Angleton was right...
http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/perspectives/PE100/PE198/RAND_PE198.pdf

>>132241108
IT BEZE UZ, WE BEEZ KANGZ, AND FOUCKING YALZ LECTIONS UP AN SHITEE

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>>132243860
now imagine her without the lordosis pose. she has a skinnyfat gut and a skinnyfat pancake ass.

get some better taste

>>132241108
First I'd like you to answer a serious question of mine.
Do you think that the Clinton Foundation is clean? Do you believe that the Clintons earned hundreds of millions of dollars legally and ethically after "leaving the White House penniless"? Do you think that Loretta Lynch was not covering up legitimate criminal investigations in an attempt to hide the Clinton's corruption? Furthermore, if there was no massive Democrat voter fraud as you Democrats insist, then why are you so resistant to a simple inexpensive review of your voter roles that can all be done on a few computers using existing public domain information and databases which are routinely given to research groups on both sides? Why do you oppose voter ID laws when legal IDs can be obtained easily and inexpensively in any state?
Finally, do you actually believe that Russia interfered with this election any more than they have interfered with every single other election in the past 50 years?

>>132243489
Sorry, Intel fag here. That is not proof. That is assertion and speculation.

I see you are pretty dense, so let's try the Socratic method.

Question 1. What did the Russians "hack" ?

>>132243318
>>132243286
>>132243256
should have linked you too. Probably others too but I'm too lazy anyway I put some of the media and government reports here
>>132243489

>>132241441
>Delegitimize Trump's presidency
This is the main reason. I don't douubt that Russia meddled, but they didn't directly fuck with the votes, and there's no WAY they were half as involved as the media claims they were. The point of the whole campaign is to make impeachong him "okay," because if they succeed in getting people to believe it, then he was never the president anyway.

>>132241766
Russians hacked Soros owned machines votes? Arrest Soros this moment!

>>132243489
see: >>132242269
and gtfo nigger

>>132244131
You're trust in a legitimate government -
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj0tsHRyO3UAhWI1CYKHdVNAJoQFgg4MAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iwp.edu%2FdocLib%2F20131120_KuxSovietActiveMeasuresandDisinformation.pdf&usg=AFQjCNHvlQnuSR4UO5vnT0zOlPHVAptIYQ

>>132241242
The Data Machine: Russian GRU hacks DNC and Podesta emails. Since Russians wouldn't know how to micro-target this BS, they use a server to relay the data to Trump in Trump Tower. Once they had the info, Trump and co would share voter-roll data, legally allowed to be acquired by the campaign, so that Russian propaganda robots could micro-target facebooks, twitters, imgurs, linkedins - if it had a right-wing presence and was social media, you can bet GRU was there. I wouldn't be surprised if 4chan is in use in a similar way to spread pro-Trump propaganda.

>How does this effect the election?

Mom, pop, and Little Joey Fuckface get updates from Breitbart and other right wing news and facebook pages. These pages and Breitbart are updated with propaganda micro-targeted to the voters you're talking to. For instance, you know that in this county let's say Gay Marriage is a big wedge issue. For some reason, lots of people in that county will start getting posts and content relating to that fringe issue and being solicited for cash for the campaign or to fight the Clintons.

A highly sophisticated micro-targeting campaign using publicly available resources.

>>132242394
this.
folks have been saying the clinton family is no good for decades. and you also have to remember that hillary has literally been one or two degrees of separation from DC since bill was a senator. then she was first lady. then bill left and she become NY state senator and fucked us good for like a decade. then obama appointed her as SoS. then, as secretary of state, all kinds of fucked up shit starts happening in the middle east. george w bush level of tomfoolery going on over there, sans-media coverage. then she goes and uses her nonprofit foundation to sell 1/3rd of our uranium to the russians (which btw is the ONLY real collusion ive found between US and russia, and ive been looking). and dont get me started on all the other sketchy shit like the haiti earthquake relief.

so after fucking everything up for like two decades, she decides the time is ripe to run for POTUS for real. she feels good knowing that she can get hundreds of millions of tax-exempt dollars from foreign interest groups, and buys out almost every single media broadcaster to shill for her. and then what? her past caught up with her, and she was dwarfed by the cult of personality that is trump. if the DNC really wanted to win, they could have run bernie. but what happened? bernie was crushing in the primaries, until they got to hillarys state, NY. tons of people who anted to vote for him were not allowed to because of NYs archaic voter registration laws, and he lost. then he lost some more. then bernie conceded and gave all the money that was raised by grassroots activists and gave it to her. "atleast shes not trump" isnt going to re-enfranchise people who essentially felt that they had been robbed. the rest of her campaign only further served to alienate dem voters.

then she lost. and the media is still actively shilling for her. and paid protesters are getting bussed around to burn trashcans. if you want to find a culprit for why the DNC lost, you need only to look at the DNC

>>132244131
read my fucking links faggot. I know you couldn't have because 1) you posted in just a couple minutes and 2) the answer to your question is in the links I posted. You just want to make me type them all out, in a long tedious process or refuse to do that and look like I have nothing. Well you know what, I'm lazy so your tactic works but people should really just do some fucking reading for themselves somewhere besides this fucking site jesus christ. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink so fucking die of dehydration for all I care.

>>132244554
He wants to have a political discussion using the Socratic Method, which is really just a way of saying "I dropped out of law school and don't know how to argue without a moderator".

>>132244554
https://ia600205.us.archive.org/31/items/gov.archives.arc.54826/gov.archives.arc.54826_512kb.mp4

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>>132241108

So they should just admit everyone is an idiot and easily influenced by memes on social media and shouldn't have a right to vote. That's what they are really trying to say with this.

>>132244778
Or we could take the issue of foreign governments sending US citizens voting pamphlets a little more seriously. A crazy suggestion, I realize.

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>>132241108

The left is so hypocritical, they are in oribit

https://euvsdisinfo.eu/
Europeans admit this is part of daily life. Just like Israeli's accept market bombings...Not something American's are accustomed to.

>>132244674
It's not a political discussion to make someone prove things that are in the public sphere. A political conversation would be discussing the implications of what's going on, not just simply saying: LALALA IT DIDN'T HAPPEN PROVE IT TO ME, ALSO NO LINKS, YOU HAVE TO TYPE EVERYTHING YOURSELF

>>132244525
I posted about this above, but to reiterate, in agent based modeling we see that controlling a very small part of a network lets us indirectly control very much. For instance, an omnipresent observer controlling 2% of the cars in an idealized traffic system can reduce congestion and even outright remove large traffic jams under many circumstances. Of course with these idealized models it's easy to just tweak the parameters until we get whatever result we want, but I still think this holds for social networks under normal circumstances.

By being at the right place at the right time you can spread news that go viral even without a massive army of bots...

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>>132241108


The evidence is staggering that there is collusion between FBI/MSM/DNC and obama & hillary

CNN admitted they made the whole collusion thing up. So no I don't believe it. Maybe they acted on their own accord, but that wouldn't necessarily be the same thing.

>>132241108
>If so, why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it?
Because it wouldn't be the first time the government has lied.

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>>132241108

Let me lay it out for you...

>>132241108
Yes, because those entrenched In power don't like Trump because he's not an insider, not playing by their rules, and is a threat to their power.

>>132245162
I AM SILLY

>>132244866
I'm not sure what your saying, if you are talking about pretending to be citizens abroad and sending in ballots, I'm sure that's been scrutinized a bajillion times already as that's such an easy out for them.

Same could be said about groups bussing in dem voters from out of state or illegal voters in California.

It's hilarious that people find it hard to believe that anyone genuinely non ironically voted for Trump.

Trump may have flaws, who doesn't but he never said anything wrong on the campaign trail and spoke the truth from his heart. When you drop all pretenses of political correctness you know the real score. Everyone does.

I don't believe it:

I know it.

All the poor shills and sheeple in here who believe in the Russia narrative.

>>132243026
Answer your own question.
Who stands to benefit from this story?
You seem desperate for validation.

>>132244866
I know I don't make up my mind until I get election related junk mail. Case closed!

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>>132241108
That picture is so old. I wonder what their asses look like today?

>>132245275
Can you answer the rest of the stuff about who's in on the conspiracy then. Is it every governmental worker? Just some sort of deep state that's fooling everyone else? Who is behind it all specifically and what are they hoping to gain by planting this false shit about russia helping him.

All you've done is said you disagree because people don't like Trump. Please will someone answer my fucking questions.

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>>132241819
Haha did posting this make your little tight pussy wet you shill. I hope so. You probably feel very naughty for posting this, shill, but I have to inform you that we don't even care about your post that much, because we really know the incentive behind it. But that probably makes you just even more excited. I can already sense the tingles that you feel right now. You'd wish one of us were at your place, because then you wouldn't get away as easily. Only talking shit to incite sexual tension, making your little used up liberal sluthole dripping like the niagara falls. But don't worry: we at /pol/ know exactly how to deal with liberal whores. It excites them everytime when we grab them by the shoulders and whisper redpills to them in a sexual manner while you hide your goldrings. This is the kind of sexual dominance you shills wish for, which you don't find anywhere else, which is why you come to /pol/ only to get yourself some cummies. Don't worry. We at /pol/ know how to macho. Your little cuckbois can go to their shed while we show you how to really handle little bitches like you. Suck my cock.

>>132241108
I think the Russians were pro-Trump, but why wouldn't they be? Clinton was promising to turn up the Cold War narrative, whereas Trump said he admired Putin and wanted to rebuild American-Russian ties. As to whether the Russians directly interfered to help Trump win the election, I've seen absolutely zero proof, or even any convincing stories. It's all an 'unnamed official' said this, or 'senior sources' say that, or a tenuous link about some businessman connected to Trump who once upon a time did a business deal with the Russians. I genuinely think it's completely fake news, although I have no particular allegiance to Trump and am happy to be convinced otherwise if I actually see some evidence.

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>>132241108

Russians never hacked anyone, the DNC had a whistle blower named Seth Rich..

>>132245585
I'm asking you faggot. Tell me what you think. I already know what I think about all this. I made the thread to get other people's thoughts.

>>132245699
What was his name again?

>>132241108
Whether Putin did or did not help Trump isn't important.
All I care about is Putin my dick in that ass.

>>132245733
So you're a shill doing opposition research.

>>132245654
I agree that there is very little evidence here, but to me it seems as if the congress and senate is torpedoing the investigation and then claim that the absence of evidence means nothing happened. Full disclaimer: I think Trump is a fucking clown and I would love to see his whole administration crash and burn, so I'm not gonna pretend to be an impartial observer here.

>>132241108
yes, because it benefits them, alot, again alot, CIA, because money.

also OP is clever bait to make you think muh russia argument is viable in the slightest. it is not.

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>>132244525
>The Data Machine

Lol you do know facebook and google actively suppressed and censored any conservative sources to give more visibility to their liberal handlers, right?

B-b-but muh Russians posting on facebook!! Eat a dick.

The biggest truth in life, never blame on conspiracy what you can blame on stupidity.

>>132241108
Shut up and post more juicy middle school ass!

Gonna need some sauce famalam

>>132245600
I never got my soviet propaganda junk mail. Sucks. Also checked.

>>132241108
Edward Snowden already stated that every country tries to meddle in the electoral process of others. Thus it's highly probable that russians indeed interfered in the election.

However, I don't think Trump got elected solely because of that. After the exposure of CNN, we can see that it's clearly stretch towards a certain narrative.

>>132244554
1.) None of your links contain evidence
2.) Comey's testimony means shit. He failed his job and failed to produce any proof whatsoever.

>>132241108
Russian porn influenced my vote. Was good.

>>132245647
While I am privy to all this information I will choose not to disclose who is actually pulling the strings, except to say, it's the Jews.

>>132241108
Who are these girls.

>>132244525
>A highly sophisticated micro-targeting campaign using publicly available resources.

So exactly what the Democrats do. Oh, okay.

>>132241108
I'm going to need the sauce on this photo

>>132245654
Well, in open hearings Dan Coats, Mike Rodgers, James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Rod Rosenstein, and other senior government officials have all stated unequivocally that this happened and spelled out pretty clearly what was involved.
Here's just one of the more recent hearings:https://www.c-span.org/video/?430128-1/senate-intel-panel-told-21-states-targeted-russia-2016-election

It's not some unnammed officials. It's coming from every part of the government.

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>>132241108
What likely happened
>hey Mr head of the KGB, could you bribe a few American journalists to write pro-trump stories so Hillary doesn't send Russia back to the stone age? Perhaps we can help him get an edge on her
>of course president Putin, ill contact our undercover journalists in america and get them started right away

What the media says happened
>Vodka 1 this is Mother bear, I've reached the voter database mainframe
>roger than, good luck Mr. Putin
>Vodka 1 I'm rewriting the data. God americans are so dumb
>all done Vodka 1 I'm heading out. Call me a chopper for evac.
>Roger that mother bear. Good work in there.

>>132243810
>proves that it's a bot
Your post proves that you're a pedosexual

>>132241766
Shekkel whore you are.

Dude you idiot! The maker of the story himself said - on video - that the entire Russia story is a big Nothing Burger, and there never was any evidence to support it in the first place!

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>>132245760
S E T H
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>>132246222
What do you think of the testimony of the DAG, DNI director, and DIRNSA (among others) saying the same thing then?

>>132241242
They hacked the emails of Democratic officials and exposed to the public just how backward and corrupted the Democrat party was.

The response of the Democrats is basically what the villains say after they get caught on Scooby Doo: "And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling Russians!"

Yeah the meme wars

>>132244554
Lies by omission are not proof friendo.

>>132246062
brrraaaapppppp

>>132246321
Dont give a shit, it's not proof. Provide proof

>>132241108
>why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it
When those white politicians spend decades forming a network of corruption, if you were in their shoes you would try anything you can that won't dirty your hands to get rid of someone who comes in on a message to clean up corruption. The media was given free reign to say whatever they want with no consequenes and no one was allowed to call them out on it. Trump changed that. When you risk losing a lavish lifestyle of excess and influence you bet your ass they will try to remove him. They can't use assassination because all eyes are on Trump all the time to either praise his work or wait for him to say something stupid so they can ridicule him. He intentionally makes retarded tweets to always keep media focus on him. An assassin would never be able to get close enough to take him out. Combined with the fact there are secret service that obeys the president no matter who might be in that position, they won't betray their ideals and country over media memes.

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>>132241929

>everyone hates Hillary

Correct faggot.

>>132242064
they should let them see the cali vote records. that will put /pol/ in their place

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NSA, CIA, FBI, and MSM cannot find any credible evidence that the election was "hacked" by Russia, but some idiots believed it (read their 25 page unvlassified report). So then the narrarive went to "Trump campaign colluded with Russia" again no evidence, story retracted and MSM BTFO, even more idiots believed this. Finally we are to "Russian Interference" wtf is this limited to exactly? RT pushing a counter narrative? Like HRC pushing a human rights violation campaign in Russia causing riots? Like Obama giving anti-Brexit and now anti-Trump speeches? This whole idea that Trump's support was somehow spawned from anything else other than spite from the rabidly idiotic leftist policies of Obama is asinine. Democrats lost ~1000 office seats (state and federal) under Obama. Maybe we were not all as easily duped and enamoured with Obama as the Libtards are.

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>>132241108

What conspiracy?

It's just salty cucks lying because they're mad they lost an election.

I don't go in for retarded conspiracies like Russian Mind Hacking and Flat Earther shit. Soz.

>>132241108
Russian intervention getting trump elected.

I repeat

Getting TRUMP out of ALLLLL the candidates elected is so ridiculous

Its less likely than 4chan summoning an egyptian chaos god to turn the election for the sake of epic memes

>>132241108
Oh cool! You guys finally have evidence?

>>132241108
Russia doesn't give a shit who was elected, both parties are more than willing to play ball with them particularly when it comes to their Jewish oligarchy. The goal, if there was any election meddling, was to create political instability and weaken the US internally. To this end, they've been overwhelmingly successful.

>>132246481
>le soopr sekret evidunce :^)
With as many leaks as there are, including Comey, if there was any evidence of the veracity of any of this, the media would've been screaming this out. The fact that it can't means there is no evidence. Also notice the question asks his opinion and not for evidence, means he cant be held for perjury

>>132241929
>>132242064
>>132241819
you get paid to shitpost
damn

>>132246482
The emails were nothing. They hacked their entire operation for both the presidential and congressional and local campaigns. They got everything, all the opposition research, all the voter information, the analysis.

It was used to actually flip democratic seats too:
http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/335169-gop-operative-used-hacked-data-in-campaign

>>132241819

How is a person meant to know something that never happened?

>>132246627
holy shit that's a blast from the past.

anyway, i absolutely guarantee that i'm more fit than you are

>>132241108
It was the CIAniggers. They've fucked with other elections. You don't think they fuck with ours?

>>132241929

SAY IT WITH ME

MADAM 3% MARGIN OF ERROR

>>132244482
So, the Russians conduct Information Ops? So, what exactly did they "hack"?

>>132242239

Are you a fucking tard?

>Who is Gucifer 2.0

>>132246838
So basically unless the government releases the raw data on the computers of the DNC and DCCC and state election infrastructure, you won't be satisfied then. Also, I'm assuming you're an expert who knows how to determine all that data and detect who was responsible for the intrusions right?

>Before the election Trump says he won't accept the results if he loses, citing voter fraud
>Dems boast how the elections cannot be tampered with and whatever the results turn out to be will be legit sicne they believe they have it in the bag
>Trump wins
>Dems go full autistic screeching saying Russia hacked the elections
The Dems get caught lying and being hypocritical yet no one seems to care.

>>132246911

This Fake News is some next level goofballs.

>>132244554
Simple question. What did the Russians "hack"?

>>132246321
Even if that's true (no proof is provided, and we know CIA have the capability to make it look like a cyber attack is coming from anywhere), they say that no vote tallies were altered - so how exactly is it that Russians supposedly hacked the election?

>>132244674
You too faggit. What did the Russians "hack"?

>>132246911
>thehill
>hill
>Hillary
>Clinton owned organisation to cycle fake news
WOAH!

>>132247116

>tfw Obama explicitly and clearly stated that Russia was not a threat nor an enemy and that election fraud and hacking were completely impossible and that the results must be respected and not questioned

Why do liberals always flip flop?

>>132241108

Russia and Trump: Nothing there.

Russia and the DNC: Duh.

>>132246321

So...no proof?

>>132244954
Yeah, all of that stuff is speculative nonsense. Tell me what the Russians "hacked"?

>>132241108
are you retarded or something

>>132247430
>"hacked"
nothing. see: >>132242269

>>132247180
Not a simple answer considering it involves literally thousands of machines. In summary the DNC and DCCC's entire operations including emails, podesta's emails, state voter rolls, and computers belonging to the IT guys who run the computers which cast the votes.

>>132247308

It's literally owned by Democrat donors and is a propaganda outlet for the DNC. It's as reliable CNN.

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>>132241108

Where have you been, OP? This bull shit was debunked last week.

https://youtu.be/jdP8TiKY8dE

>>132247602

>Podestas emails

So if you're lying about that, how do I know you aren't lying about the rest?

Also...proofs?

>>132246627
why did you defend your skinnyfat girl with the lordosis pose then run away, you fat beta faggot?

>>132247214
They hacked the DNC and DCCC and podesta and gave all their strategic political data to the republicans to use. They also used the emails in smear campaigns like pizzagate.

I think we exist in an age where every country is so close to each other in terms of computer skill that any sort of "hacking" is easily done no matter who your victim is. To say that Russia hacked the election is to say that all countries hacked the election; hell, we have evidence that North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia, and various European countries all tried to influence the American election via cyber espionage - it's just that the only country who had any success with it was Russia.

The question you should be asking is, "Did they do it with assistance from various parties in the US?" The answer to that is also yes. But once again, only one party was successful, so they're the big target.

>>132247602
>it involves literally thousands of machines
evidence?

here is the evidence that podesta's dumbfuck ass fell for spearphishing: >>132242269

now where is your evidence?

>>132247430
They hacked this liberal faggot's brain to contribute to the further destabilization of this great nation. What better way to weaken a country than to delegitimize a lawfully elected leader and create an even greater divide between it's people?

>>132247779
where is your evidence?

>>132241108
Basically, it's the Clinton's/Dem's corrupted net pulling the strings

>>132241108
Unless they literally hacked into and/or changed the votes/voting system, I don't care.

>They flooded the internet with pro-Trump bots and trolls

IF they did this, it's influencing an election, not hacking it. And IF they did it, I don't give a shit and anyone who does should be shot. Anyone can influence anyone about anything, that's the price you pay with having the internet. Rather than complain about the Russians, you should complain about stupid people who get influenced like that.

>>132247779
It's almost certain that Seth Rich was the DNC leak, that's one of the reasons I'm so skeptical about the whole Russia narrative.

>>132247878
their argument is literally
>the russians released true and relevant information on the DNC's corruption. no i don't even have evidence for this nothingburger

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>>132243147
>Putin did say Trump would be better Russia than Hillary
He did't even say exactly that. I would encourage you to ask whoever made you believe that to show you a proof (le stereotype, i know)
All he said was that - Trump telling that he want's to improve relations with Russia is very welcome, but he is willing to work with any POTUS. Plus, whatever the presidential candidate is saying has yet to be proven true. Which is funny, couse not much improvements is yet to be seen.

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>>132241108
>>New fag tier

>>132247602
Ok....

So name one thing (biggest? ) that the Russians hacked?

>>132245954
Hell even liberal MSM reported on the fact that Facebook was guilty of doing this. You know, back when they reported on other things in the news that could be backed with facts.....those were the days

>>132241108
For 99% of people, the Russians did not help sway vote, for 1% who follow shit on line, the Russians did sway the vote but not in the way the narrative is laid out.

Let me start by saying, "The Liberals are everything they hate." It's true, they are more racist, less tolerant, more Homophobic ect. than Republicans. They are racist because they think Minorities are stupid, and treat every law like it effects a mentally retarded 8 year old from the worst part of Detroit. They think they are too stupid to get IDs or know how to pay taxes. The Left does not tolerate free speech, only approved speech. And they are homophobic in the way that they are afraid of not accepting queers out of repercussions from their lack of accepting them. Don't like that Gay new boss you have, too bad lefty can't say shit or you get fired. That is fear. Not fear of what they are but who they are.

When the Left says something is bad, it is generally because they are doing it worse. The Russians helped sway the vote simply by Hillary being so against Russia. Yes, Russia is generally a 3rd world hell hole that has nukes, vast corruption, the gulags, and a blatant disregard for human life and American world law. But attacking a country while running for office puts you at a disadvantage. By simply existing, Russia helped Trump win the election because Hillary choose to attack them.

>>132241108
Do you think the US State dept interferes in the Ukraine?

Russians hacked the election like Kim Kardashian broke the internet.

>>132247779

>They

So...we're all Russian Hackers?

>>132247982
But I mean I don't even care about that either. That's still not "Hacking an election"

That's hacking DNC stuff and releasing it to possibly influence an election. That's not good IF it happened, but it's not the same as hacking an election. Get on their case for any hacking that occurred (though it's hard to care about that when the CIA and our own does MUCH worse cyber shit) but if you think there's a problem with them influencing the election with that info, honestly just kill yourself.

>>132248016
He actually did, but not in so few words. Although, it had to do with Hillary saying she'd shoot down Russian aircraft, whereas Trump wanting to make trade deals.

Anyone would have favored Trump in that situation.

>>132247982
So the true crime here is America learned the truth.

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Putin works for the Jews.

>>132248302
they have no arguments or evidence.

see:
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>>132242436
>>132242468
>>132242507

>>132248294
According to the MSM, yes; we hacked the voters minds.

>>132242468
It seems the idea of fake news is very subjective. The only evidence I have seen of a foreign subversion using fake news is the Israeli, CNN, MSNBC connection.

>>132248419
How do you expect Russia to be part of world banking?

>>132248113
DNC and DCCC's survors were probably the biggest. They contained thousands of documents and emails and phone numbers and all sorts of research and analytics as well as strategy. This was for both the presidential and congressional races. Basically everything the party had on the election.

>>132248492

Fake News = News which goes against OUR narrative.

'Fake News' is a fake term.

>>132246627
lel

>>132241108
>Do any of you on here actually believe that the Russians didn't help Trump get elected?
No Russia didn't so much help elect Trump as they did whatever they could to stop Shillary. Even then there is no conclusive proof that the DNC hack was Russian, and not some other hackers or even Seth Rich leaking.
>why do you think the government and media is lying to you about it?
Delegitimize the president, bog him down into dealing with allegations that can never be properly dispelled since they are based on nothing to begin with. Also, demoralize Trump's voter base so that they never get the idea to vote against the will of the elites.
>How many people do you think are in on the conspiracy and how many do you think are just being used? Who is leading the deception and why?
US deep state, intelligence agencies unhappy with having a non-controlled person in the presidency, liberals obviously for ideological reasons. Probably some others, but without any conclusive proof either way who knows?

>>132248648
fake news is news with no evidence, no sources

>>132248640
How was the DNC server hacked?

>>132241108
The MSM claim that the Russians hacked the election.
Thus, it is safe to assume that the Russians did not hack the election.

>>132248367
>it had to do with Hillary saying she'd shoot down Russian aircraft
i might have very well missed this one, not a big follower of him
>>132248419
>the most Russian "non-Russian" flag to pick
Analny, pls go

>>132241819
The real hilarious bit is is the DNC not once denied the veracity of any emails. They were outraged that they were released and only that they were released and that is what pissed off tons of undecided/independent American voters. while they were up there screaming muh racism, you had people in the DNC correspondence talking about racist things and using slurs. The DNC is a group of corrupt racebaiting Hypocrites and champagne socialists and I for one cannot wait to see the party collapse under its own hubris.

>>132248826
I'm confused, you admit that the russians helped Trump and yet you answered the rest of the questions as if you didn't accept it. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

If hillary had campaigned in the midwest and soft blue states for the working class and stopped talking about "white privilege" and niggers constantly, maybe she could have won.

The fact that she spent so much time on niggers meant even she knew her support was soft.

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>>132241929
>>'Beat', with illegal votes and cheating, yet still lost because THAT'S NOT HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED.

Why was Hillary and her supporters so stupid that they don't understand the electoral college?

The United States is not a democracy, it is a REPUBLIC.

>>132241108
>they "hacked"

Fucking how

How

How in the fuck do you hack a closed circuit system from the outside? Please tell me, because if you know how then you are probably the smartest living person and should be a multi trillionaire by now.

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>>132249221
She was trying to take the Bernie nigger vote, but they weren't buying it, because niggers hate whites.

>>132248931
IDK, you'd have to ask the FBI that. It basically does come down to a matter of trust, which is why I posed the original question. If you don't trust their assessment, why do you think they're lying? If you do trust their assessment, then how doesn't really matter unless you plan to do something about it (which you don't).

>>132241929
>>132242064
>implying a few million extra votes from liberal strong holds actually means anything

The electoral college did what it was supposed to, you don't get to shit on rural area's while enjoying their productivity and expecting their votes just because the media meme's about dems wanting to help poor people.

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If you still believe the Russians interfered in the election as much as the DNC says they did, you are a complete brainlet.

>>132249556
Funny how many people still haven't views the recent Project Veritas videos.

>>132241108
Seth Rich

>>132241108
Yes the Russians helped trump win through Russia today peddling conspiracy theories that made the party currently holding power look bad. They are now making trump look bad. It's not some vast conspiracy because trump is a puppet it's simply a continuuation of their long term strategy of demoralizing our populace and turning it against our institutions.

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>>132249380
with an axe

>>132249451
Liberals love diversity, until it also means ideological diversity.

The founders were geniuses, and KNEW that stupid fuck elitists would ruin America with a direct democracy.

Guccifer 2 lol. This is a proven democrat disinformation campaign.

>>132249427
>IDK
Yeah, that's the problem. You make baseless allegations and when asked for specifics you have zero.

As Julian Assange pointed out, "A 14 year old could have hacked the DNC." The server password was Obama2008 and Podesta's email password was "password". And we know Seth Rich was the leaker.

>>132241108
At worst they exposed information regarding Hillary Clinton to the US public.

There is no evidence that any actual votes were tampered by Russian agents. Any influence Russia had on the election was indirect in this regard and therefore a non-issue as in the end they had no direct way to change the vote.

There is actually more evidence showing that the Democrats attempted to rig the vote than the Russians.

>>132249798

...the demoralization stopped in November though.

All that's left is a bunch of no-talent hold outs who've lost the argument.

>>132241108
Alright, let's say Russia helped Trump get elected:
>How many people do you think are in on the conspiracy and how many do you think are just being used? Who is leading the deception and why?
If you're just going to bring up the magnitude of world-stage plays as a case to their implausibility then it seems to me like you're just arguing from incredulity. In either case, a massive, unbelievable play has been perpetrated so standing on either side of the fence will still make you a believer in giants.

>>132249427
https://theintercept.com/2017/06/27/cnn-journalists-resign-latest-example-of-media-recklessness-on-the-russia-threat/
http://nypost.com/2017/06/24/inside-the-shadowy-intelligence-firm-behind-the-trump-dossier/
https://www.voanews.com/a/crowdstrike-comey-russia-hack-dnc-clinton-trump/3776067.html

Can you stop being such a retard. Do you not understand how fucked the MSM and Dems are going to be if this Russia shit doesn't pan out?

>yes
>media because they get shekels out of it, gov because the democrats are butthurt about losing
>how the fuck would i know
>(((who else)))

>>132250142
The larger the story, the larger the evidence required to prove it.

They'd need quite the evidence at this point, and so far they've revealed nothing.

>>132249427
Yes let's ask the fbi. Wtf it turns out the fbi never examined the server because the dnc didn't let them and instead paid. A consulting firm to come to the conclusion they were paid to come to.

>>132250341
>>...how fucked the MSM and Dems are going to be if this Russia shit doesn't pan out?

But anon, it hasn't panned out, and they're already fucked.

>>132250457
I know I know, but MSM and many of my liberal friends still think it's a done deal. They are still in pre-election mindset for some reason. They are hoping for something to come out of Mueller's investigation.

>>132249403
Niggers wouldn't vote for the kike. For some reason, people are very surprised to find out that niggers hate jews when jews are their slumlords most of the time.

>>132241108

Yeah. I think they just went with the guy cause he doesn't really know the game. He killed it with population support, but has failed in both policy and relationships with allies. It seems like Russia has been attempting to get isolationists elected in Europe as well. Brexit was another blow to Western strength. It seems like Russia "had" been doing a good job of negatively influencing NATO countries. But they're in the limelight now.

I don't think Trump deliberately colluded with Russians. Comey supported that in his debrief. But I find the Rex Tillerson appointment incredibly suspect. I'd like to know who suggested the guy to Trump.

>>132241819
seth rich leaked the emails to wikileaks and was murdered by doing it. the russian narrative is to divert attention away from seths murder, podesta/hillary emails.

>>132250781
>The west grows it's strength with mass immigration from countries with shitty cultures and shitty people.

OMG GOYS RUSSIA IS GETTING NATIONALISTS ELECTED TO WEAKEN EUROPE!!!!

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>>132242288
>They hacked the DNC
How do you know? The DNC refuses to let the FBI look at their databases to see.

>They also hacked state voter rolls and fucked with them so it was harder for people to vote and they hacked a lot of computers of the companies that manage the voting machines.
I would like to see .gov sources or FBI admitting this. It only exists in smear pieces from CNN and PodestaPost.

>but the rest is and is purported as fact by both the media and government.
Where did they receive their intelligence? CroudStrike?

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>>132249427
>IDK, you'd have to ask the FBI that.
They won't let the FBI see friendo.

>It basically does come down to a matter of trust
Yes goyim trust us, Trump and Putin hacked your minds and brainwashed you to vote for Trump.

>>132251124
>The DNC refuses to let the FBI look at their databases to see.

It tells a lot about a society when the average person would go bankrupt trying to tell the FBI they cannot diddle their computer.

>>132241108
Really it just comes down to a few key points regarding Russia "hacking" the election.

When idiots say Russia hacked or influenced the election, they don't really know what they themselves mean by it.

>1. Russia hacked DNC emails and released to damage Clinton

Possible, although it likely wasn't that hard to crack Podesta's password of "Obama2012". Wikileaks claims it did not get the emails from a state entity or Russia, which I tend to believe. Assange could be lying, but his track record so far seems to be pretty good, Id wager it was a disgruntled DNC staffer that leaked over getting hacked.

>2.Russian fake news online helped persuade people to vote Trump

Sure I guess. Im sure there were some shitposting Russians that had ulterior motives. But that happens from just about every country with internet access. I highly doubt any concentrated propaganda effort of US voters for a foreign state was actually able to influence the election that much.

The only other issue is some loose connections between people under and around Trump and Russia. Mostly non-issues that are picked up for a day my MSM and then dropped.

It's possible Russia was responsible for the DNC leaks, and as all my libshit friends like to remind me, "HURR DURR ALL THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES PROVED IT WAS RUSSIA". I'd have to see the forensics to have a definite answer to who was responsible for the leaks, which these intelligence agencies are not releasing.

Most people who talk about Russia hacking the election are pretty stupid. They generally get all their info from headlines and don't read into the topic or even try to gain any sense of nuance. Trying to have any sort of constructive conversation with these people generally ends poorly because, well they know Russia hacked the election. duh.

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>>132251440
I just read your above post.

13/10 famalam.

>>132241929
wew lad this is some next level cognitive dissonance.

>>132251099

***tried***

Which they've been failing at left and right since Trump got elected. How's /ourgirl/ La Pen doing nowadays?

>>132241379
apparently, online trolls can compete against that
source: we're on /pol/

>>132251771
Polydactylism is one of my favorite isms

>>132252205
Whatever role Russia may have played in Europe, it doesn't change the situation on the ground. Native populations don't want to be demographically replaced by shitskins. Nationalism is grassroots and going to continue to grow until a civil war happens or they get control of their culture and demographics again.

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