/pol/ communism general

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How's Venezuela doing???

>Marxism Leninism

If you hate /pol/ being nazis, then why would turning them into tankies be any better?

>>132219015
>>132219015
Hello Gomrades, This general is for the disgussion of Margsism-Leninism, ideology of revolutionaly socialismus and food :D

Revolution won't happen. Deal with it.

>>132219015
Hello Kamerad. How do I eat and surf the internet in a communist regime?

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No yous for the spic.

>>132219015
Hello Cumrag, what must a good goy like me do to keep my Starbucks and iPhone?

>>132219015
>This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism
>Does not care to answer questions
Is this communism discussion 101?

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It must suck making a communist general and get laughed at in the comments

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>>132219015
>falling for the communism meme

>>132221205
I've come in cg 3 times willing to be converted and they haven't even tried once. It has to be a joke.

>>132219199

Venezuela is a kleptocracy that exchanged the regular nationalist rhetoric for a leftist one - both sides of the political climate are just different sections of bourgeois interests.

>>132220489

define tankie

>>132220507

use another flag kekistani

>>132221205

Hi comrade, do I know you?

>>132220857

Ask your bourgeois masters cuck

>>132219015
Hello comrade, revolution when?

>>132221585
Welcome back komrad. Was your short absence due to newly refined internet in glorious gommie country?

>>132219015
"LEAVE OUR COMRADE ALONE HE HAS ASTHMA", the antifa cuck yelled out with a lisp.

>>132221557
Communism converts by force

>>132221757

what the hell are you talking about?

>>132221846
So the point of these 'generals' is to shitpost, gotcha.

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FAQ for washed liberal-morons, kekistani egdelord teenagers and normal people who simply do not know much about communism:

1. Communism is the USSR.
The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.

2.1. Why, then, does the Communists all the time refer to the USSR?
Because the USSR is our historical experience of the practical construction of a communist society. We highlight the positive aspects of the experience of the USSR and study the negative experience. It is also worthwhile to understand that the USSR is for us a certain significant Symbol.

2.2 Communism is a dictatorship
Under communism there are no classes, accordingly there is no dictatorship.

3. What about the dictatorship of the proletariat?
The dictatorship of the proletariat is a temporary form of political power called upon to ensure the observance of the rights of the proletariat during the transition from capitalist society to communism.

4. But Stalin ...
With regard to the period of Stalin's rule, we can identify a lot of positive and negative aspects of his activities. But unfortunately, all-round propaganda has distorted the history of this period too much, therefore, without a comprehensive historical analysis of this period, it is impossible to draw unambiguous conclusions on the basis of ALL declassified documents.

5. And yet Stalin ...
We adequately perceive the figure of Stalin and treat him normally and without hysteria. Nevertheless, Stalin - though significant, but by no means the main figure of the communist movement.

6. What is the main figure, if not Stalin?
Marx

7. Ie you are not Communists, but Marxists?
Communism is part of Marx's teaching. At present, Marx's teaching has evolved into many directions. As for the precise definition, the terms "Communist" and "Marxist" often very much depend on the context.

8. Communism is the antithesis of democracy.
By no means. Communism is just a true democracy.

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What do communists believe about dead trannies?

9. Under communism - all work in the Gulag for workdays on 24/7.
On the contrary, the Communists set their task to reduce the number of working hours, by increasing the productivity of labor. Ideally, we should work for 4 hours in fully automated production, the remaining time dedicated to self-development, art, hobby.

10. But wait! This is a capitalistic post-industrial one!
You are deeply mistaken my young friend. This is precisely communism. And under capitalism you will not get it. Communism is the highest stage of development of society and economy and if capitalism is similar to what I described above, then it turns into communism.

>>132220311
A lot of the revolutionaries there were actually other socialists. This mysteriously gets left out of most American descriptions.

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>>132219015
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.https://www.gommies.gom/fug/https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/https://www.gommies.gom/1984/https://www.gommies.gom/guck/https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>>132222009
>NOT
>TRUE
>GOMMUNISM

>>132222009
>I don't know how to answer specific questions, just be a broken record.

I'm utterly disappointed again.

fugg off gommie

>>132222387
Get this man a beer.

>>132222222

>>132219015

HIJO DE LA GRAN PUTA DEJA DE HACER ESTOS THREADS DE MIERDA PUTO CABRÓN DE LOS COJONES Y VETE A TOMAR POR CULO COMO EL MARICÓN QUE ERES HIJOPUTA

>>132222430
i think all ideologies do this you know the old "capitalism is the greatest system ever, but now we have corporatism and there not at all the same" meme?

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>>132224344
the bourgeoisie dont even let the dead rest

>>132219199
How's Illionois doing?

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>>132224760
good meme.

question, why do you choose marxist-leninism above anarchism?

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>>132219015

>>132224530
Use your almighty system to maintain the grave site then.

>>132222387
I come to these threads just to make sure this exact post with this exact pic is posted. Godspeed anon

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>>132224883
I'm a statist scum.

commies: worse than nazis.

The only good commie is a dead commie.

>>132225327

I'm not your enemy comrade I just want the best for all of us

>>132224530
Oh my! you have to pay for a maintenance of a high end grave/statue on a private burrial ground?

How fucking strange!

Burry him in the desert, see if you get taxed then. Fucking communists.

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>>132222009
Ahh, so you must be one of those "my system has proved that under no circumstances can it ever a tually work in practice and is bound to crash and burn along with a huge loss of human life, but that is not important, on paper, even though even there it is critically flawd, it apeals to my distorted sense of justice and emotion, therefore, it is a perfect system, and must be hopelessly pushed upon general public. Also, seing how, due to me actually beliving in comunism, it is clear that i have had problems in mental development and therefore am stuck in a mental state of a 13 year old child, i can not actually come up with any arguments in a debate against adults, so i resort to copy pasta answers that someone else came up with" guys

>>132222387
Great job Anon and thank you for the laugh.
Keep it up.

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>>132225327
>I just want the best for all of us

>>132219015
GOMRADES!
GOMMUNISM VERY GUD!
WE EQUALLY POOR, MALNOURISHED, UNDERACHIEVING AND MISERABLE BECAUSE WHY BOTHER?!
WELL NOT ALL OF US, THERE'S STILL AN ELITE TAKING CARE OF TOTALITARIAN MATTERS XDDDDD
NEGATIVE SELECTION GREAT, MERITOCRACY BAD, GOT IT? GOOD!
STAY THIS WAY FOR GENERATIONS, OR ELSE...
DEAL WITH IT OR WE KILL YOU WHILE YOU TRY TO ESCAPE XDD

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>>132225021
it doesnt pay the rent, in anarcho-communism, you would not need to pay the rent so you can spent time maintaining it.

but who cares, were all going to lose, right and left, to neo-liberalistic coroporatism. so dont worry we can all die together in our hellhole

>>132225244
but why, isnt the goal of communism being stateless

>>132225713
> anarcho-communism being an actual option ever.
Holy fuck nice meme. Can I be a muslim-christian too?

>>132225821
The end goal is nowhere near in sight.

>>132225833
why couldnt it be?

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>>132219015
I bet you're that Hispanic one.
How this time you plan to implement communism so that it won't collapse like always in the past?
What's your special brand?

>>132225996
Well, USA is heading for a collapse. No better time to talk about communism than when the biggest anti-commie crusader in the world is dying.

>>132225914
Communism is an authoritarian system, anarchy is libertarian system. two direct opposites of eatch other. I can't believe i have to tell you this.

then again, you're a communist. i guess the brain wasn't included in your birthing process.

I love gulags because it kills communists.

>>132226097
every centrally planned economy is going to collapse
what comes next is a libertarian right paradise, GOMRADE XDDD

>>132225886
catalonia and the paris commune were pretty OK, before getting steamrolled why not learn from their examples?

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>>132226097

>>132226097
USA is failing because of multiculturalism and left wing libertarianism, not capitalism.
btw. you failed too, time and time again.

>>132226169
The goal of both is to establish a non-hierarchical society, so...

>>132226198
>USSR went from a backwater shithole to the second most powerful country on Earth with central planning
>corporations engage in central-planning
>Incan Empire was centrally planned
>but it doesn't work ecks dee
This is your brain on the free market.

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stand back, autistic austrian economic memes coming through

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>>132222387
>not posting the full one

Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.

https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

_________________________________


Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

>>132226097
That wasn't my question.
How do you plan to implement communism, so it will work this time?
What do you want to do different?

If you don't have anything different to bring, it will end up like in the past - famines, shortages and totalitarian goverment.

>>132226361
the faggot's correct on kike monopolies failing tho
there is only one kind of libertarianism and that is right libertarianism

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>>132226097
>tfw your nation has been killing commies for so long that you've become their boogieman

Venezuela?

>>132226454
I was thinking that we DON'T pay clouds not rain. And stop Stalin from eating all the grain.

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>>132226454
No, you see, to change the implementation would be to make it not communism, so they're just going to keep trying the same things over and over again until the rest of the world has sufficiently changed for it to work.

>>132226546
What?
So... nothing new?

>>132226425
your totalitarian dream as well as status quo shall die as soon as people have viable means of not having to be forced to pay into wealth redistribution schemes, use monopolistic hyperinflationary means of payment and so on

you're nothing but a bunch of envious useless negatively-selected pieces of shit who deserve a .45 to the head for trying to violate NAP

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>>132226169
communism is a moneyless, stateless and classless society, this is the actual definition.

what you descriped was marxist-leninism, which sucked in my opinion.
socialism also sucked since workers were not in charge of their own labor

inb4 "no true scotsman XD", pic related

>>132226425
> non-hierarchical society
> still have leaders

the 1% will always be there. For the matter of fact, thats what communism is for. For 1% to have an endless supply of equally deluded, dumb, useful idiots.

By all means, remain a commie, I love cheap labour.

>>132226465
This

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>>132226546
>tfw communists now gleefully talk about how they're going to not let the worker have the full value of his labor
You guys have really hit rock bottom...

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>>132226598
>so they're just going to keep trying the same things over and over again until the rest of the world has sufficiently changed for it to work.

That souns awfully familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on where did I hear it.

>>132226703
Wait, we were having a serious discussion? I just start shitposting when I get dumb nazi/mccarthy/cia memes spewed at me.

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So do tell me , are you going to ally up with the anarchist kiddies again?

>>132226807
>>132225996

Still no clear answer, I'm waiting.

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>>132226913
that russian guy must feel really bad since his childeren probably going to live off of UBI.

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>>132226746
To understand Communism is to understand that it is a cult. Marx is their infallible prophet, and communism is the only thing worth living for.

I've had communists on this site openly admit that communism will almost certainly never work, but that they're going to keep trying because "if communism doesn't work then what reason does humanity have to exist?". It's literally communism or humanity's death for these people.

And that's before we get into the science denial. Marx has already been scientifically disproven, his "pre-agricultural communist society" has NEVER existed, and we know that humans aren't a blank slate, yet commies will deny this with NO explanation other than they don't want it to be true.

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>>132227113
>implying capitalism will let him afford children
It's funny to people confused by fertility rate is tanking and upset that they NEED immigrants to keep their pyramid scheme going.

>>132227113
>UBI
another negative selection-promoting mechanism that will drive away everyone worth a damn
do you want to see prosperous societies devolve into nigger or sandnigger-tier shitholes? if so then implement UBI

>>132226958
again the incentive shit, cmon give something better.

i worked at a kindergarten and have followed an education for childcare worker.

WHY, not because it pays good, but because i care for childeren.

>>132227071
>always failed due to western imperialist aggression
>somehow have to justify attempting it again
How about we launch the fucking nukes next time?

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>>132219015
Communism would work if *I* were in charge.

>>132219015
The only good thing about communism is that it'll eventually starve to death the people who believe in it.

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>>132227457

>>132227390
>>always failed due to western imperialist aggression

So when did USA attacked USSR? or China? Poland? Czechoslovakia?
Why South Kora is more walthy than North?

Not every communist country was influenced in the same way by "imperialist aggresion", yet somehow all of the states collapsed.

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>>132226670
sooooooooo according to your definition, and apparently real definition of communism is anarchy. What's the point of giving them a different term then?

Either way, the only way that would work is among small groups of people and not on the global scale.

> workers controlling means of production.
1. workers unions.
2. give me one example of a business started by workers and successfuly kept alive by workers that's bigger than any private company.

oh wait, that would mean they are self employed! but that doesnt make them workers anymore, that makes them their own masters. they can either fail and starve, or become successful! therfor become a bourgeosie!
they must be killed! they can't be better than us great communists, masters of justice and equality! xd

you're soo braindead i can't even describe it.

>>132227260
im and anacho-communist and believe that small communes who hold their own culture and values can work together to uphold the village they lived in. immigrants can come in but only if they are willing to work (if able) and if the village can allow and afford it.

>>132227600
Why do ex-commie countries find it so easy to BTFO commies ?

>>132227148
>The Scientific Status of the Labour Theory of Value
http://users.wfu.edu/cottrell/eea97.pdf

>>132227148
Fun fact, even communist goverments did know this shit isn't working. They just play the charade to hold the totalitarian power over the people.

>>132227505
i actually have no problem with ancap.
an anarchist before a communist.

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>>132227739

>>132227616
>communes
what's that? a gulag?
I only know of local communities consisting of people owning property next to each other, communities who can discriminate as they see fit

>>132227783
I'm not a cuck but a hoppean physical removal guy

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>>132227682

>>132226430
Thats a shit maymay

>>132227892
>calculation problem
Just like ethical capitalism, it does not exist.

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>>132227874
sounds good to me, senpai

>>132227596
>waving nukes around, military build-up and talking an empire of evil isn't aggression
k

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Hey guys, remember that one time when communism didnt lead to lack of basic food supplies ? Yea, me neither

>>132227967
Yeah, just, like everybody do something and take something. No need to keep track or plan, it'll sort itself out somehow.

>>132228006
>implying it wasn't selfdefence agains commies planning to conquere the whole world

>>132227388
based, the incentive argument is such bullshit. pro-capitalist point to a system where people have to work for money or die and declare
>see people work for the love of money
what will they say when communism makes it possible to work for the love of work.

very few people want to be neets, they want to go out and contribute and work, this will be even more true when the social structure of communism will reinforce this motivation.

>>132226097
this time it will be real communism or fake communism?

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>>132228088

>>132228006
GEEEEEEEEE, I WONDER WHO ELSE WAS DOING THAT.

> b-but he waved it first!!!

fuck off and die.

>>132228091
>fag armbands
Don't tell him Stalin hated fags.

>>132226344
Checked and kek'd

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>>132228088
Venezuela

What you guys think about Sorel

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>>132228088
>tfw there's no option for communist success on that pic

>>132227600
im not for a big super union, but for smaller unions. also the anarchy in anarcho-communism is for immediate implementation of communism (absolute stateless), no socialist crap.

1.workers unions, whats with them. i mean it isnt the autonomy system i mean. but they are good.
2. i dont understand the question fully, could you explain?

the bourgeosie, as i see it, are the people with so much capital they rule the world and the humans almost absolutly. but their is no money so in what would they suceed per se?

>>132228173
real communism

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>>132228161
>launches Operation Condor
>sabotages free elections because a commie candidate might win democratically
>funds contras
>calls genocidal crypto-fascist states allies
>"It was self-defense"

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>>132228399
>communism promises mass genocide, the destruction of nation-states, and a totalitarian worldwide regime
>expects no resistance from anyone

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>>132228334

>>132228294
why doesn't the chart show when Pinochet lost power and when the Chavez took power from the right wing government that existed before

>>132227826
ancom doesnt need a gulag since you can leave the commune you were in.
which communitys are you talking about?

>>132228399
>What is KGB

>>132228331
Yet.

>>132228478
>communism promises mass genocide, the destruction of nation-states, and a totalitarian worldwide regime
your thinking of Fascism

>>132228509
hoppean covenants

>>132228565
>National Socialism
It isn't that different, really.

>>132228565
>fascism
>the destruction of nation-states

nigga are you high

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>>132228542
Hey guys, remember that one time when a communist won a debate against someone older than 15 ? Yeah, me neither

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spin this one commies

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>>132228478
>demand better wages for your labor and not having to work 16 hour shifts and risk dropping dead from overwork at age 30
>get shot
>act surprised future generations of socialists are a bit angrier and twitchier

>>132219015
Political correctness origin lies in communism, to be politically incorrect and communist is infact a dichotomy, especially when your allies are the ones who require political correctness to protect their identity/status.

>>132228731
>muh ebil imperialistic embargos

in communism there will be state-enforced homosexuality guys

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

>>132228703
Only the destruction of other nation states kek

>>132228761
No one's forcing you to work under capitalism.
In communist state on the other hand...

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>>132228565
>the destruction of nation-states
>totalitarian worldwide regime
Even from the perspective of the most cartoonish exaggeration of fascism this makes no sense.

>>132228761
>shoot random innocent people entirely uninvolved with your economic problems
>act surprised when they don't want to support your revolution in the future

>>132228731
commie bucks don't translate into shekels very well.
Inflation is nearly non-existant and there is a strong safety net.
UK is about to lose NHS, lmao

>>132228710
suck an imam's dick

>>132228628
i see what you mean and this is indeed true, but this is what the people chose

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hello gomrads, im shoor yer pooting a way bread crumbs for da winter :DDDDD

>>132228088
>Muh SEE EYE AYE MOFUCKA
How did we infiltrate and destroy the USSR?

>>132228334
so you're not a fan of super union (which is exactly what communism is, what the fuck are you), but for totall societal collapse or order, so simply an anarchist.

1. they are created to give workers power over limited means of production. guess what, even on smaller scale of a company that doesn't fucking work cuz workers get spoiled over time.
2. i'll take that as a "there is no such thing". because really, there is no way you couldn't understand that point.
unless you're braindead.
oh wait.

Money's primary function was to determine worth of the goods and work of the workers. without money, there was no clear indication of any of that. so technically someone could just say that you working to build a car for 5 years (because a folk with better ones doesn't trust you enough to borrow them, and he wont just give them away cuz he has his own reason to use them.) is worth nothing. now would you call that fair?

> no, but i can decide whether to sell it or not.

of course, give it away to society! see for how long they will appreciate that and then forget.
trust me, it wouldn't be worth those 5 years.
either way you'd be stuck at point of having nothing and not having access to better tools.

and if you sell it? why bother?
how can someone know that you've done someone a great favour? how would they know you sold it? there's no money! the buyer could also lie, saying that he made it. how would you prove it? there is no state :^)

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>>132228970

>>132228088
This chart doesn't apply well for Europe.

>>132229137
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_Soviet_Union

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>>132228970
lol

>>132229264
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States

>>132229264
>>132229359
Yeah it went both ways, I know that

also
>In Operation Acoustic Kitty, CIA attempts to eavesdrop on men in a park outside the Soviet embassy in Washington with a $20,000,000 cat. The cat is run over by a car en route to mission.

>>132225209
This.

>>132224584
>rebuts by pointing to a state run by Marxist

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>>132229089
>a nigger thinks he can hurt my feelings by posting shit online
How old to you think i am, 12 ?

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Your fate: suicide.

>>132229264
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_the_Soviet_Union
Where on that list does it say how the CIA tricked the Soviets into running their economy into the ground?

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>>132229471

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>>132229245
What's funny is that the same thing happens in reverse with capitalism, it just happens to be strong enough to actually survive communist resistance.

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Why do you support capitalism?

>>132219015
Greeting cumrag, plotting to steal shit from ordinary people to give to the lazy and soon to be dead because of it masses?

>If masses means the hierarchy of your dicktastership, see Stalin.

>>132229595
Why'd you post a picture of yourself? I didn't need to see that to know you're a confused pussy.

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Reminder that Hitler fought the jewish international finance cabal; the USSR allied with it.

Who really fights against the corrupt capitalists? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

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>>132229647
Who said I do?

>>132229526
unironically worshipping a pedo Arab as the messenger of a sky daddy who demands you circumcise yourself

I will give a shit about you when you cast away the ignorance of religion

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>>132229685
Bad joke

>>132229091
>this is what the people chose
you mean those without property decided to take from those with property
in my world they would be killed on the spot

>>132229847
Like your system of government.

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>>132229647
Why do you?

Marxism is a fake revolution. As long as it has a central bank, it has a seat for finance to speculate on the labor of the people.

>>132229782
you support private property which will lead to a plutocracy

>>132229405
Yet somehow Only CIA activiets "destroyed" glorious communism while KGB activities didn't affected evil capitalism at all. Really makes you think.

>>132229647
Because under communism my parents struggle to obtain food, for starters.

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>>132229956
No, it won't.

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>>132222387
Knew this would be here.

>>132230089
struggled*

>>132229938
no private property means no central bank.
if workers don't want to build yachts for bankers then they won't get made.

>>132230092
Oh look, its the anime posting fascist poster again

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>>132230162
>complains about anime images on an anime imageboard
You're a special kind of stupid

>>132225597
a Bosnian bragging and bragging on about commie wrongdoings. heard capitalism is doing great in bosnia huh?

>>132230089
>In 2009, 2.2 million people lived in extreme poverty. Most of them live in agricultural areas in Podlaskie and Świętokrzyskie voivodeships, as well as in the Lublin area. Mazovia, the Opolskie and Łódzkie voivodeships have the lowest number of the poor. The highest level of extreme poverty is encountered among the unemployed and their families, and among people without education and in large families.
http://www.pah.org.pl/nasze-dzialania/203/poverty_and_hunger_in_poland
and many are still hungry in Capitalist Poland

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>>132230256
I didn't complain, I just recognised your posts thats all

>>132230092
wealthy people bribe politicians -> politicians make it easier for the wealthier to get wealthier-> wealthy people now have more money to bribe politicians

>>132230131
>no private property means no central bank.
You dumbass, the dictatorship doesn't exist to protect the revolution, the revolution exists to create the dictatorship.

There will NEVER be anarchist socialism. The dictator will NEVER give up power, the state will NEVER dissolve. They rope you along with these promises to obtain control over the country.

And if you think that "local communes" can work, LOOK AT VENEZUELA. They tried this and immediately went into economic collapse.

>>132230234
I always thought that was a funny idea. Worker's unions are from the communist handbook but when they achieve domination, you better not strike for more compensation or we'll kill you.

>>132230278
Hmmm... what side of the iron curtain was Bosnia on again?

>>132230100
>>132230100
>>132230100

>>132230293
So?
You also have poor people in your country.
Now compare these numbers to ones from commie era.
Also
>2009

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>>132229229

You commies and stormfaggots are all the same. Instead of the kike, you have porky.

The only difference between you is that one wants national borders and the other wants globalism. You're both the same shit.

>>132230480
>There will NEVER be anarchist socialism. The dictator will NEVER give up power, the state will NEVER dissolve. They rope you along with these promises to obtain control over the country.
cultural revolution China
>>132230645
capitalism didn't fix anything, Are you a catholic? if you are I shall refrain from wasting my time debating someone who unironically believes they drink jewish zombie blood every mass

>>132221585
I am using a proper flag, mate.

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>>132230504
Because it's a fake revolution that is nothing more than a pretext for the corrupt to seize power; backed by a garbage economic model.

Seriously, look at how quickly the USSR collapsed. Just 50 years! Has there ever, in all of history, been a superpower empire that collapsed, in peace time, in less than a century? Has any commie country ever lasted more than half a century before collapsing or re-adopting capitalism?

>>132228091
Nobody cares if that guy can drop to his knees and suck off every drop of cum at 500 yards

>>132230645
>Now compare these numbers to ones from commie era.
Because everyone and their mothers has emigrated from poland

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OP is a faggot and his bait is shit.
Abandon thread.

>>132230606
Yugoslavia was not behind the iron curtain. get your facts straight. also, why is it particularly relevant?

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>>132229817
Thy real question here is why do you presume that i care if you give a shit about me ?

>>132230880
>capitalism didn't fix anything

It did. For example I can eat whatever I want, becouse goverment isn't rationin food because of shortages that central planing does.
Now tell me more how capitalism is failing in my country.

>Are you a catholic? if you are I shall refrain from wasting my time debating someone who unironically believes they drink jewish zombie blood every mass

Nice ad hominem. No, I'm not a catholic.

>>132229165
im an anarcho communist who believes smaller communes exist along side eachother so that bureaucracy doesnt cloud the system, i also am the only ancom who doesnt hate ancaps.

1. they are limited so how do they get spoiled?
2. no, i meant why does it need to be bigger then. will it only then prove that itis better? i can give you marinaleda as a example village who does it pretty good.

also diffrent systems instead of money could be used, people have suggested similair concepts but isnt exactly clear what that would be.

they will appreciate and forget, thats the way humans work. money isnt in any way a good sign of doing someone a great favour, the only way to do great favours is too help individuals. if you live in a small commune and you talk to people about this grand scale car project for 5 years, and people come to your house and look at it, would probably be enough evidence if almost everyone in the commune knows it is you (thats the beauty of small communes).

>>132230278
Oh you think this is bad ? You should have seen us under communism, this shit hole of a county is far better off now than it ever was under communism

>>132228912
No one is forcing you to work under communism as well.

You just wind up in jail, sure, but it's your right.
Just as it's your right to die from hunger or whore yourself for a penny.

Both things are technically voluntary.

>>132230773
> Implying that people at the top give a fuck about you or your community, because of "muh NAP" and "Muh trickle down".

Natsocs got it pretty much right, despite that they will plainly ignore decadence and usury from a people with right kind of genes.

>>132231271
just because capitalism works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone
Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
>>132231271
pedo Arab worshipper has no right to express an opinion, for they have already failed the intelligence test that determines if anything of worth will ever come from their existence

>>132231394
> I love Saudi funded mosques

>>132231596
>just because capitalism works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone

It works for more people than communism did.

>Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
No. What this has to do with anything?

Communism is an antiquated system that has never and will never work.

The internet made short work of that

>>132231596
You do realise, that to be a communist, you need to be stuck in a mind set of a 13 year old kid, therefore you have to be mentally underdeveloped. And you, off all people, tell someone that they are low IQ. Even you have to admit, that is pretty ironic

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>>132230880
>cultural revolution China
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, seriously, don't ever mention Mao unless you want to be laughed at.

Let me tell you how much of a moron Mao was....

Mao's Automotive Effort
>Mao wanted to be like the west and have cars.
>China didn't have the industry to make cars for everyone
>Mao decided, he would "upgrade" the horse-drawn wagons that people used
>He would replace the wooden wheels with steel wheels. Like cars have!
>The steel wheels sank into the mud, were too heavy for the horses to pull
>Thousands of absolutely useless wagons were constructed or retrofitted

Mao's Agricultural Effort
>Mao was walking through the farms, wondering how to improve farming output
>Sees birds eating the grain farmers were sowing
>Mao decides that birds should all be killed
>Billions of chinamen all start killing birds
>Insect numbers swell up now that their predators are being removed
>Insects eat the crops
>Massive famine that lasts for years

Mao's Steel Industry Effort
>Mao decides he needs steel for construction
>No heavy industry in China that can make steel
>He gets everyone in China to smelt down all their steel and iron
>Pots, pans, utensils melted down, hell, even houses are even dismantled to get more steel
>Entire forests cut down to fuel the furnaces
>In the end, all that was produced is tons and tons of useless pig iron that is too brittle to be used for anything.

>>132231271

> I can eat whatever I want,

Natural food that doesn't have whole Mendeleyev table inside it to cut costs :D
Or the meat that is advertised as ham and is actually ham, not some poor sick horse.

Or milk that is not full of hormones that farms pump into cows to maximize output of milk.

Or salads that weren't washed several times before by (((supermarket))) to postpone the rot.

But hey, at least you are free to choose between shit and a turd :D

>>132231820
it does work small scale though.

>>132231127
He's correct anon. The Yugos were the only one stupid enough to stay without force.

>>132231858
You do realize I can grow my own food? (Which I do to some degree)

Under communism everything was took by the state to redistribute.

>>132231271
>Now tell me more how capitalism is failing in my country.
Making a large portion of your youth leaving the country, and replacing it with ukies, and, in the future, niggers and arabs

>>132231858
Well hell, i would rather eat artificial food than not eat at all

>>132231409
>Communism
>Your rights

pick one

>>132231409
In a capitalist country, a person doesn't have to work unless they feel they are justly compensated.

If a job is not paying well, if it is demeaning to you, or if it is painful or dangerous, then you don't have to do it.

Yes, you have to do -something-, but that's life. You have the freedom to choose.

"Work where I tell you to work or I jail you" is forcing to someone to work, and it must take some insane mental hurdles to think otherwise.

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>>132226244
>catalonia and the paris commune were pretty OK
>not ruled by bandits
>not forced recuitment
>not killing whoever you wanted without answering to the law

>>132231685
yep. if you are bosnian, and you prefer the current system, you are either an ensuing jihadi, or... idk really, how else would you be able to prefer it?
>far better off
I laughed so hard, and so bitterly

>>132229956
Goverment regulations preventing absolute monopolies prevents that.

These threads are getting interesting desu not so much useless shitposting anymore, more interesting discussion

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>>132222009
>1. Communism is the USSR.
>The USSR is a socialist state, not a communist state.
Every time

>>132232033
People were leaving during communism for the same reasn and I belive in the 80' when laws were more lenient they were leaving in even higher numbers.

Also this trend is starting to reverse, because the wealth gap between Poland and The West is shrinking.

>>132232310
except they dont. just look at the way banks, gas corporation etc. negotiate with governments. they all band up, they dictate prices, they lobby together. corporations are no longer regulated by governemnts, which leads to them being more powerful, which leads o less regulation.
also, check cyber giants

>>132232205
Pretty much slavery. Antifa better get someone ahead of this.

>>132232205
>
poor people in a capitalist country do not have the "freedom to choose". Merely a illusion

There were plenty of capitalist countries that forced people to work. Nazi Germany comes to mind

>>132232220
>>not ruled by bandits
Many people would classify our govs as bandits

>not forced recuitment
>What is a draft

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>>132230394
wealthy people bribe politicans -> wealthy person and politician get executed for bribery

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>>132232518
>What is a draft
It's not anarchism, I can tell you that.

>>132232310
>Goverment regulations preventing absolute monopolies
>implying govt didn't create almost every single monopoly.

>>132232518
>govs as bandits
Govt works by law and procedures, bandits do not. Govt is both legal and legitimate, bandits are not.

>draft
>implying we have it or support it

>>132232518
>Nazi Germany
>National Socialism

>>132232220
bandits, you mean the people you oppose, right. very subjective, i personaly find neo-liberals and IDpol the enemy.
their willbe killing if you have a small scale revolution surrounded by the enemy.

>>132232251
You commie cunts really are delusional arent you ? Why are we better off ? We dont need to use food cupons anymore for starters. I can always buy fresh bread, i dont have to go to Italy to buy jeans, i can sleep witouth the fear that i will be sent to jail because someone joked about Tito in the floor below me, i am not required by law to be poor either, i can vote for whoever the fuck i want now, i have vide array of potential jobs avalable to me etc etc..

>>132232868
>people you oppose
No, I mean people that went from home to home and took what they wanted, for such was life in Catalonia during the true communist rule.

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>>132231833
you do realize to believe in a pedo Arab you have to have the mindset of a goat
>>132231714
>No. What this has to do with anything?
debating religious people is pointless
>It works for more people than communism did
for now, all countries are sadly becoming like Bangladesh. slowly western labour protections and conditions will erode as they try to become more competitive, the same will happen with social services.

Communism does not have to be 1980s polish communism, it can be better.

i know what you are thinking. That I should not let Bangladeshi capitalism define capitalism. but I see that my country and many other countries are trending towards Bangladeshi capitalism and this is inevitable because plutocracy develops through corruption which is unsolvable in capitalism.

Communism fixes corruption, and thus preserves democracy and people can use the means of prodution to better their lives.

I will admit communist movements have failed to achieve this, 1980s Poland for example
But the closest success was 1970's China before Mao died. You had democracy cadres weren't powerful and people had dignity and were advancing the standard of living.

>>132232586
>wealthy person and politician get executed for bribery
by who? Who pays the executioner?

>>132232887
But Anon, some people are poor or can't find job after studying Gender Studies, so we need to go full gommie.

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>>132233010
continued

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>>132232518
>poor people in a capitalist country do not have the "freedom to choose". Merely a illusion
You can work at a call center, fast food, at a warehouse, landscaping, clerk at a store, data entry at an office, marketing, salesman, etc, etc. (by no means a comprehensive list)

All of these without any investments, skills or qualifications

So seriously, what the hell are you on about?

>There were plenty of capitalist countries that forced people to work. Nazi Germany comes to mind
Yes, my grandparents lived in Nazi Germany.

They were from a wealthy family until the economic collapse, and then they had nothing. Nobody could find work. People were starving on the streets. Then Hitler took power, and the economy did a complete recovery in just a few years. Everyone had radios, everyone had televisions, most people had cars, everyone had a job, everyone had luxury time, everyone had workers rights, new highways were being built, new churches and hospitals.

What horror! The Nazis fixed the economy and provided prosperity for everyone!

Tell me something: Have you ever seen any politician draw a crowd as big as Hitler? There's a reason his people loved him.

>>132233010
Yea, a communist really isnt competent to judge someone's intellect, if an athiest capitalist told me that, i would take him more seriously, but since you are a communist, nah, your oppinion doesnt matter

>>132232816
>Govt works by law and procedures
xDDD

>>132232836
>North Korea
>Democratic republic

Nazi germany was capitalist by every definition

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>>132233057
Just get anyone to do it

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>>132233313
>be Austrian 33-42
>pay 70% tax as middle calass
>be german 39-42
>can't open own buissness
>capitalist by every definition

>>132233010
>for now, all countries are sadly becoming like Bangladesh. slowly western labour protections and conditions will erode as they try to become more competitive, the same will happen with social services

That is valid concern, however communism isn't good answer for it. Replacing your WIndows PC with Mac, because some program isn't working properly.

>Communism does not have to be 1980s polish communism, it can be better.

Problem is that 1970 communism wasn't good either. Or 1960 one. Or in any other time and country.

>Communism fixes corruption, and thus preserves democracy and people can use the means of prodution to better their lives.

It's literally the opposite. You give all the power and means to group of people in hope that they will "set up real communism". It always ends with totalitarian goverment pretending to be commies.

>>132233168
>So seriously, what the hell are you on about?
those jobs pay shit compared to 30 years ago, That there is no social safety net, you have no dignity at the workplace, system is rigged for the rich
>>132233256
you unironically believe in a pedo Arab, think about it, why?
>>132233389
who gave them the legal authority?

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>communism is the next step after capitalism
>literally got BTFO worldwide in a three year period between 1989 and 1991

>>132225209
This exactly. Only good thing about these threads.

>>132224584
Would be better with less niggers

>>132229595
>>Has no clue that Illinois has been run into the ground by Marxists... like Venesuela.

>>132232944
i never said it was beautiful and perfect. i never think things will be harmonieus. but the progression is here, so why not try to better the world.

and i think anarchism is the way

>>132233727
Because everyone not brain dead will agree that even that makes more sense than beliving in communism

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>>132233921
>better the world
>not by roman fascism or libertarianism
Go ahead, give me a single example where anarchism was better than the state.

>>132229529
The other day, I thought that maybe Obamacare is responsible for the for the massive wave of degeneracy.

Because of Obamacare, head-cases can no longer see therapists, and therapists no longer receive decent pay from insurers.

That being said: the crazies are running around with impunity, and nowhere to get help.

>>132233549
>high taxes and large restriction during a war
>it means it's socialism!!!!!

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>>132233601
capitalism trends to plutocracy. wealth concentrates and concentrated wealth is concentrated power which means plutocracy
>Problem is that 1970 communism wasn't good either. Or 1960 one. Or in any other time and country.
Did you read those images I posted?
>It's literally the opposite. You give all the power and means to group of people
That is not what I or communist would do.
If you oppose concentration of the ownership of the means of productiont hen you must be opposed to capitalism, capitalism concentrates the means of production and media.

>>132231311
I'm gonna give you some facts, and it might just blow your fucking mind:

- world isn't flat.
- it's bigger than 20km from one side to another.
- there's a world outside your god forsaken village.

you keep saying that it might work among small communes. first of all doesn't, second of all nations aren't just communes combined. it's people united by tradition, history, language and race, not just a fucking location.

if your logic would be implemented, it would result in creation of small socialist states, who eventually will fall into a conflict with eatch other over someone not wanting to give out a fucking loaf of bread.

1.
Employer: okey fine, you can controll this sector, just tell me if you need anything
Workers: MORE MONEY WE WANT MORE MONEY WE WANT MORE.

are you even fucking human? i honestly doubt it. if you were human you'd know that greed exists.

2. Because corporations and bigger businesses get alot more done, alot faster and often times alot better. communes would constantly need to be commanded in order to even remotely get close to efficiancy of a corporation (but oh wait, muh but bourgeoisie). More so, a private company can employ soo many people before it becomes a big business or a corporation, limit varies based on countries.

oh wait, why do we even need workforce, we got robots now. wew, aren't you salty that you're useless.

> different systems could be used.
call me when they invent one, i'll wait.

Man with your mentality in the last sentence you might just as well become a priest.

>>132234151
everything is better then the state. doesnt matter what kind of state you like. you will forever be in the neo-liberalistic corporatism system. there is no escape if you are being ruled by the voilence monopoly.

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>>132234389
>high taxes and large restriction
>exactly like how life was in yugo
>not socialism at all!!!!

>>132219015
fuck off red niggers

>>132233982
pedo Arab worshipper please don't reproduce, the goats of the world suffer enough already

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>>132234596

>Capitalism is an economic system and an ideology based on private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.[1][2][3] Characteristics central to capitalism include private property, capital accumulation, wage labor, voluntary exchange, a price system, and competitive markets.

All describe nazi germany perfectly

Rich people where taxes 90% in USA, and USA had price controls during the war. I guess USA was a commie infested hellhole

>>132234419
>Polish
>does not believe in Jesus
>claims greed is natural
Are you Jewish?

>>132234799
>>Cites the US economy from WWII
>>Thinks he's making a point

>>132234916

> Never said i don't believe
> being christian apparently means neglecting basic human attributes.

Idk, are you babtist or protestant? Either are heretics.

>>132235004
Rooseveltian economy is a great point, and a great proof that captalism with strong state, really strong state is the only viable answer. everything else either crshes the economy (2008) or is flat out catastrophe (eastern bloc)

>>132235083
Are you a Jew? Yes or no?

>>132234393
>Did you read those images I posted?
Yes and I stand by what I said. These are just statements of workers who can't see the big picture. Kind of people that can't normally function unless state took care of everything for them.

>That is not what I or communist would do.
So how do you intend to implement communism? What other way do you propose?

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>>132235194
I am not. also fuck off, heretic.

> inb4 "that's what jew would say xddddd"

>>132235004
The Slovenian made the same argument, but instead of talking about USA, he talked about Germany

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>>132234799
>All describe nazi germany perfectly

>private ownership of the means of production
>what is nationalisation

>operation for profit
In place of ordinary profit incentives guiding the economy, financial investment was regulated as per the needs of the state. The profit incentive for businessmen remained, but was greatly modified; Nazi agencies replaced the profit motive that automatically allocated investment, and the course of the economy.

>private property
Same as in yugo, it was state land, you paid to borrow it.

>capital accumulation
inheritance tax prevented this.

>wage labor
>What is forced labour
etc.

>>132235139
Capitalism destroy public power in favor of power of private capital that is why they want to shrink the state and privatize everything and have NGOs and private initiatives.

They want to keep the public from ever having the power to control capital.

>>132234419
people are getting divided by ideologie and class, sometimes violently, so i think it would be better to make smaller communes and yes there have been villages who lived in a commune like system just fine.

1. so, they want more. this is a gross generalization. im human and know it exists but thats what people in the ancom community are talking about, it isnt perfect, nothing is.
2. it gets more done, sometimes so much that we throw stuff away, a lot of stuff.

we need workforce to uphold traditional craftmanship. robots and UBI will lead to neo-liberal hellhole.

not really salty, i have other things in life besides a job, most people do.

i know, dont worry there are even more ambitous people out there. also being a priest sounds quiet comfy.

>>132235425
>you paid to borrow it
there's no allodial land left non-shithole areas of the world; I know there's some in clapistan but it comes with loads of caveats

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>>132219015
Gommunism iz gancer :DDDD

>>132235476
>Capitalism destroy public power in favor of power of private capital
How? Were the public to refuse to partake in the goods/services of an company, it would fail, as the consumer/public has all the power.

>>132235476
>They want to keep the public from ever having the power to control capital.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can create capital yourself. You can save some money to invest it and multiple slowly your capital. Either by opening a buissness, investing in bonds, stocks or real estate.