Chinese scientist accused of cloning his sister for sexual purpose

>>132210635
So, I heard a guest lecture by Dr. Jonathon Haidt where he proposed this thought experiment.

Imagine if there was a megarich guy who was lonely.

So he paid to have himself cloned as a female
And he paid a woman to be a surrogate to his clone

He paid doctors to sever the fetus' brain during pregnancy so the thing was never self aware, but had sufficient brain function for the body to survive without a mind

He paid to have the clone birthed, and then he paid to raise it to the age of 12 years old, as a mindless female body.

And finally he began having sex with his pet 12 year old whenever he wanted to.

The question of the story is: would that be unethical? How can you say that's in any way wrong without arguing muh feels?

>>132210635
The absolute madman.

>>132210635
Guys... What if our governments has been infiltrated by Clones and what if the Chinese named these clones with Jewish names so we blame the Jews instead of the Chinese?

What if the real Globalists are the Chinese?

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>>132210635
If you have sex with your own clone is that gay sex or is it masturbation?

>>132210915
Having sex with a 12 years old is wrong. Unless he accelerated her growth so she's 12 but has a body of an adult female. But technically, it's still a 12 years old. Then, we touch upon the question of whether the clone counts as human with basic human rights and falls under the protection of human laws.

Why would this rich guy do that though? Someone told him to go fuck himself?

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Why didn't they fuck the clone girls when they were younger? What horny teenage boy wouldn't fuck little clone girls?
>>132210635
I want a clone of my little cousin.
>>132210915
>And finally he began having sex with his pet 12 year old
Why would he wait so long?

>>132211319
either way it's fucking gay.

>>132210915
I don't know if it's ethical or not but I got hard.

>>132211376
>Having sex with a 12 years old is wrong
No, it isn't. Little girls are made for sex.

>>132211376
But she's not actually a 12 year old, since she's brainless. The guy did it for the same reason Howard Hughes built the Spruce Goose. He's rich and can indulge his predilections.

>>132211393
>Why would he wait so long?
Because he isn't moehommad.

>>132210635
nice

>>132211495
remove the holy blood-soaked flag of my ancestors if you're going to talk like that.

Growing up in the 1990s this is headline you'd expect to be seeing in 2017.

See? even chinese can't tell each other apart,m they think they're clones!

>>132211487
How can something be wrong when it feels so right?

Isn't that the argument of the homosexuals and transvestites? How can they get in the way of love, those hateful bigots?

>>132210915
Those braindead (but otherwise normal) folks always look fucked up. I think lack of normal movement stunts growth so they look dwarvish and peanutty.

Unless you hook up your proto-zombie clone to a treadmill it's going to look fucking weird.

>>132210635
Any more sources on this fake news?

Need to know for a friend.

I wonder if having sex with clone of your sister counts as incest. I guess there's only one way to find out. China is probably having tons of exciting (and probably very wrong) experiments going on now.

>>132210915

Severing the fetus brain seems highly unetical you dumbass

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>>132210635
Probably close to Nephilim Chimeras.

>>132211661
So, fine, the guy is so rich that he has a team of people who properly stimulate the body so it looks great.

So two things

If we assume the report from the staff was true, at least how they broke into his home and 'rescued' the hooker, do they really beleive that their research is far enough along their boss would have been able to clone an already adult body?

thats a bit scary, if these people who work there were actually accepting that could be a reality


but chances are it was a hoax, i see no chinese sources when i search for this, probably just posted for clicks

>>132211393
>confederate education
Thats not how cloning works bud.
If you clone a 90 year old hag you still get to see it grow upp and being a baby and then a little girl etc

>>132211635
What if they're actually clones and the "can't tell each others apart" stereotype is just a psy-op?

>>132211699
That's the one point I think you can make. If you believe that life begins at conception, then messing with the fetus in utero is wrong.

BUT if you believe in abortion, and rationalize it by saying to kill an unborn human before a certain developmental phase is morally equivalent to cutting your hair or clipping your toenails, then what's unethical about simply preventing one portion of its development while allowing the rest?

>>132211535
>building a ridiculous plane
>having incestuous sex with your braindead clone
If you can't understand why these are different things, I don't know what to say.

See this is why we need to nuke China, they're stealing our jobs, gaining money from it and doing this with our money.

>>132211891
And if you can't understand why they are similar, then you probably dropped out of high school because you failed to grasp how to make comparisons.

Man, it's gonna get crazy in the future. Imagine if you lost someone you love to cancer like your mom and they were able to clone her. Would you do it? Would you raise your cloned mother as your child? How weird would that be.

>>132210635
Don't know what to think, other then think its fake news.

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>>132210915
I think Peter F. Hamilton stole this idea, or vice versa.

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>>132210915
No

>>132211560
Girls are doable around 3yo.
>>132211804
What are you talking about?

>>132210635

My theory is that the Chinese have already started cloning people but they currently come out weaker and less intelligent than naturally born people. As soon as they are able to create humans that surpass normal humans, they will announce it. I think a lot of countries are dabbling in eugenics, artificial wombs and the such right now.

>>132211868


I dont, abortion should be illegal. Regardless of that, stunting a fetus while you still want to bring it to life is immoral, doesnt matter if you're pro life or pro choice.

You're basically saying it's fine to cut of the fetus arms and legs because fuck it, its still not born yet so it doesn't count

>>132212068
To be fair, it wouldn't be the same. She may have the same body and all things physical but the soul is already lost. Unless we figure out how to summon spirits.

>>132212106
I'm pretty sure Haidt stole it from someone else.

>>132211868

Ps. Nobody rationalizes abortion like that

>>132210915

>deliberately making a human fetus a mindless vegetable
>deliberately having sex with a 12 year old minor who is also special needs

And you're having trouble figuring out why its unethical?

The problem is that the only hypothetical part is the cloning bit. We already have lonely rich guys like Jeff Epstein who go on pedo excursions to Thailand and private islands and shit to fuck minor children. And we already have modern science who barbarously destroys unborn fetus in the most inhumane ways.

The day of judgement will come.

>>132211699
This. On its own, I think this is perverse and wrong, because it's an abortion. Maybe not of a biological "life," but of a person, and you're proposing to abort the conscious experience of human life so that the mindless shell of who they could have been can be used as a living, pseudomasturbatory clone-incest sex doll. Even leaving aside how fucked up it is to create something like that to begin with, sex is a bonding mechanism that releases oxytocin, so you'd probably wind up fucked-up by wiring your brain to a brainless pedophiliac incest sex zombie. I can't imagine this wouldn't have negative fallout in society on top of how fucked-up it is.

>>132212114
I hope they catch you.

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>>132210915
>having sex with your own clone
aesthetic as fuark

>>132212114

They have to gestate and grow.

You don't just get a carbon copy of a 30 year old.

Cloning is a rather improper term for the process, honestly.

>>132212068
>someone you love
>like your mom
Please. Maybe I'd clone her so I could kick her clone in her face.

>>132211868
All or nothing
Abortions aka complete death very early in the pregnancy or you let it mature to term unmolested.

>>132210915

It's horribly unethical.

The ethics line was crossed after you severed brain function for your own benefit.

>>132212125
I think the difference is that by removing its mind you are preventing it from creating that which makes it human.

Frankly, I agree with you. It seems to me the scientific position supports the idea that human life begins at conception. But that's not the point of the thought experiment.

The point is to figure out what's unethical if anything, and if we as a society have deemed abortion to be ethical, then this notional millionaire's actions are likewise ethical.

>>132212205
There is no such thing as a spirit, anon. That's literally supernatural.

>>132212298
Yeah, I know. Where was the implication otherwise.

>>132210915
It is unethical but we lack the moral language to describe why.

>>132212374

>and if we as a society have deemed abortion to be ethical

It's become acceptable, I still don't think it's considered ethical.

Or else we'd be aborting all retards, because not doing so would be unethical.

>>132212260
But they do. They exactly do. They say that an unborn fetus is no more than a cluster of cells, so to kill it is as inconsequential as removing any other part of the mother's body.

>>132212373
>She will never feel pain
>This is unethical
>Make a normal human who feels pain until it dies
>This is ethical

calle calle

Tbqh famalam somewhere around ~120 years ago you could legally fuck a 12yo cutie in Europe or anywhere and it would be totally OK. So I think having sex with a little girl is OK, if you're not a FEMINIST.

>>132212494

Yes, cutting her off from experiencing life solely because of your perspective, is unethical.

On a related note, when I was 12 or so I collected a hair of a younger cousin of mine because in the far future I could clone her. She was cute as fuck and I was a horny little shit.

And sadly I think I still have that hair somewhere.

>>132212267
You didn't make an argument. Why is it unethical?

Incidentally, it can easily be argued that pedophilia is wrong because it harms the children psychologically in a particularly vicious way from which they never recover. But if the child has no psyche they cannot be so harmed.

>>132210635
>How far do you suppose they are now?
I'm sure they have a lab filled with super smart four year olds coming up with ways to kill us.

>>132212536
Making someone deliberately suffer is ethical while deliberately removing the suffering from the person is unethical? That doesn't make sense

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>>132211474
"Enjoy yoursel"

>>132211957
They're only similar insofar as you made a post and mentioned both of them.

Building a plane, something that is outwardly constructive and could be a benefit to more than just the person who financed it (however retarded it ends up being may be in the case of Spruce Goose), is leagues different than cloning yourself as a female just to incapacitate and fuck. Morality is subjective up to a point.

As if every other country is not up to no good
Bet there's alot of knowledge they will not release to the public and all sorts of under the rug experimentation

>>132212288
Well, okay, but if you abort the consciousness then it never developed in the first place. You did not so much destroy something as prevent it from being created. That's not unethical, is it?

>>132212252
Struggling to remember the story now.

>>132212444
I dont even think killing a baby at 9 months is unethical.

I think DEMANDING other people pay for your mistake is worse than unethical, especially when half the population thinks it is 'unethical'

>>132212571

Suffering is a condition of life.

Period.

>>132212344
Why?

>>132212409
Whether you believe in the spirit or not you'll never get the same person back with a clone. They're lost forever. I think it would really fuck with people's heads if they had a clone of a deceased loved one.

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>>132212114
I hope you enjoy getting anally raped in prison.

>>132212438
Then how can you know that it is unethical?

>>132212553
How smart can a 4 years old be? I don't think the brain is fully developed at 4 years old.

>>132210635

>chinese
>science

sorry op, this story dosnt hold up under scrutiny

>>132210915

if you have to ask this question you are a fucking idiot

>>132210915
They only objection I can think of is this:
>He paid doctors to sever the fetus' brain during pregnancy so the thing was never self aware
If the clone was genetically modified before there was any fetal development then I think the man is clear of all moral objections.

>>132212705
They will use CRISPR to speed up their development, somehow.

>>132212571

Life is suffering. Pleasure are only brief moments, the rest is an existence laid bare to the elements and decay.

>>132210635
Pretty gruesome, but people are fucked up, so I see it as highly plausible. And we all know, Chinese have no soul.

>>132211535
If she has the physical appearance of a 12 year old, then he's a pedophile. Pedophilia is by definition immoral, a social aberration and mental sickness.

>>132212440
I think you'd find that any actual pro-choice advocate considers abortion to be extremely ethical. And indeed, we do see some retards being aborted. As well as some infants being aborted for other disease screened in utero, and even some being aborted for being an undesired gender (particularly popular in China, for instance).

>>132210915

This "doctor" needs to be put against the wall for thinking about (((thought experiments))) like that

>>132210915
What you're asking essentially is whether slavery is ethical. It isn't.
The fact that it's a cloned fetus is irrelevant.

>>132212553

Maybe, they were using 9-13 year olds when I was little.

>>132212505
120 years ago it was also okay to own a nigger as livestock. Does that mean it should still be okay?

>>132210915
>just curious haha
>haha

>>132212547
I forgive you, anon. All of us do some form of really perverted shit when we're adolescents because we don't know how to deal with our libido and our brains are too immature for us to stop ourselves.

You need to forgive yourself now, and move on.

>>132212586
That is an assertion not an argument.

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>>132210635

All chinks look alike, no wonder the sister thought she saw a clone.

>>132212505
In a time period where the life expectancy was around 30/40 years old. It would be a logical conclusion that procreate at that age. Today we are living in a different society with a higher standard anon. Just admit that you want to fuck 12 year old.

>>132212625
Right, so that seems like a very self interested economics argument, but you don't seem to care about human rights.

>>132212756
What about rape baby? Abortion is a really gray area to be honest.

>>132210915
>the fucking garbage state of western ''philosphy'' nowadays
how about they crossed the line when they severed the fetus's brain you fucking mong

>>132212669
That's an assumption, though. You don't have any evidence to support that.

Meanwhile there is evidence that your personality is much more a function of your biology than post modernists want to admit. Take for instance cases of twins separated at birth who wind up meeting only in adulthood, yet have astoundingly similar life stories.

>>132212586
but other people could fuck your female clone and benefit the world just as much as other people could ride your plane. your argument is entirely emotional

The real questions are, is it real? Sounds too good to be true. If yes, cloning Hitler when?

>>132212670
What if you time travel back to when you were a child to have sex with your past self?

>>132212719
If you can't answer this question you have a closed mind.

>>132210635
>they claim to have seen him leave the facility with a woman bearing a striking resemblance to his 29-year old sister
Well no shit, the women are Asian

>>132212749
>Life is suffering

So it would be ethical to not fuck her brain up, and instead be conscious of the rape every day?

>>132212754
So physical appearance defines pedophilia? So what of 14 year olds who appear to be further developed than that? Or what of 20 year olds who appear to be 14?

>>132212788
Dude, of course.

>>132212756

Because they're entirely self-absorbed.

Of course they find it ethical.

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>>132210915
> would that be unethical? How can you say that's in any way wrong without arguing muh feels?
Having a clone is like having a very identical twin. So yes it's still the same as killing a normal human bean
Also very unproductive. For instance the mental links between twins and most importantly clones is so strong that abilities like telepathy, empathy and intuitive memory sharing is easy to do.
So why not just clone an army of yourself, train them to be obedient and know they benefit from you around and have them around as muscle?
It's what I would've done if I was super rich.

>>132212918
I think we should call it, what it is. Abortion of life. I have to state I am taking a neutral stand on this. If it can be avoided, great. But the sole responsibility and decision and future ramifications lie with the 'parents'.

>>132212763
He's a psychologist. He works on the psychology of moral arguments and politics. He calls himself a reformed liberal, because he had never read any conservative political philosophy before 2004 when he became so enraged at the Democrat party's failure with John Kerry that he set out to explain to them how to beat Republicans. However he quickly came to find he agreed more with conservatives than he did with liberals.

Basically he was redpilled in a proto-/pol/ way.

>>132212878
I just want an obedient little girl, not an uppity fucking broad that will give me shit, y'know?

>>132212780
How can it be a slave if it has no mind?

>>132213052

That's kind of the point in why the entire thing is unethical, anon.

Without suffering you have no perspective to know what joy is.

Just as you don't know what cold is until you feel warm, or vice versa.

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>>132210635
>Chinese scientist accused of cloning his sister for sexual purpose

>>132212918
What about it? Is it the baby's fault the father was a rapist? Then why does the baby deserve to suffer the death penalty for its father's crime?

>>132212961
So you don't see anything wrong with incest? Or pedophilia? Or forcibly incapacitating others? For the sole purpose of depositing your sperm?

That's sociopathic as fuck

>>132213183
Just Chinkly Things

>>132212939
If you read the thread, you'll see that's the one objection.

However, the idea is that the brain was severed before a mind developed.

>>132213134
That is the wet dream of /pol . How plausible is it, in the present day? Probably when shit hits the fan and women realize they actually need the men. But now.... you have better luck buying a wife Asia. Or wait a few year and buy one with a bitcoin /sarc

headless clone of yourself in case you need organ tranplants

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>>132210635
TOPKEK

>>132213060
Stop LARPing and make an argument.

>>132212968
Who is having a hold of Hitler's remain? And do we want a female Hitler clone?

>>132213083
If you ever talk to them, I think you'll find them actually zealous. It's religion to them. It's quite strange, actually. They seem incapable of rationality while asserting themselves to be supremely rational.

>>132210635
There is no fucking way that is true

>>132213296
We already have Merkel on the continent anon.

>>132213112
No, the point is that you don't kill it, you prevent it from becoming fully human.

And there are no ESP links, that's science fiction anon.

>>132213190
thats not the argument though

>>132213296
His DNA is probably hidden somewhere in his belongings or something, hardly obtainable but doable.

>>132212621
It is. I think it's perverse and against the spirit of human life itself.

We're sexual creatures. The fact that we have sexes and reproduce the way we do matters. Sex affects the way we think and interact to a huge extent, and the way we think and interact matters. The fact that it takes two people for sex to happen matters. The fact that it takes two people to make a new one matters. The spirit of relationships between siblings matters, and this seems to violate that somehow on some level I can't even express. Even if you were fine with incest, it feels like the fact that having sex with ANYONE requires people interacting on some level matters.

The idea that the human form, fully-fleshed with hands and eyes and a tongue and feet and everything capable of producing the event of a human life, with laughter and joy and sadness and pain and walking and dancing and sitting and standing and speaking and song and reading and building and doing, might be created with that part missing so that it can be used as a fleshlight seems tragic and wrong on some level. A coma seems tragic and wrong. This image isn't a far cry from that one.

There's something perverse and tragic about the whole image. I don't know how else to say it, and I hardly ever think anything is just inherently perverse.

>>132213448
Imagine cloning Jesus Christ

>>132213510
No, fuck no you fucking fuck. HERETIC

>>132213510
And the result is a Ceasar.

>>132212295
>falling for the Boghartio trap

>>132213187
Ok, that may be a bad example. The child may be born without either of its parents wanting its existence though. Maybe then it can be giving out for adoption with circumstance of birth kept secret or something.

>>132210915
You can skip the brain severing by making a ZIKA clone

>>132213173
But not having suffering would still be better than having some suffering combined with some joy, since in the first you won't have suffering, but in hte second you do even if it's balanced out

>>132213240
Tbqh bruv, I'm lying. I won't ever find a brainless womanlet attractive. I wanna find an ex-feminist or some shit like that. I feel like a woman that wanted to be independent and smart initially, at some point, but realized her natural place is under man's control - is much more valuable than a dumb bitch that just FEELS like she wants to be dominated or some shit like that.

I'd love to meet a girl that has BRAINS and her becoming an obedient little girl is HER THOUGHTFUL CHOICE, you feel me? That's why this is all fucking retarded.

As Varg said - all the smart women get baited by jews to go into careers and do some other dumb shit and then the only bitches we got left to breed are dumbass little whores that are good for nothing.

>>132213367
>No, the point is that you don't kill it, you prevent it from becoming fully human.
Nonsense. It's always human unless you make it so that the fetus doesn't have a head initially. That is the sure way to know that what you're growing doesn't have a pre-mind and in other words "alive" or have the chance to be or in the process to be. Then you can just chop up the headless body after it grows for organs and limbs.
>And there are no ESP links, that's science fiction anon.
A lot of things were considered science fiction. In fact 100 years ago people would consider things we have in our modern world science fiction if you were to go back in time and describe it to them.

>>132210635
You would have to raise it. Change its daipers etc. Itd end up being your daughter. Fake and gay

>> i waited 18 years to fuck her....

Faggot

I'm surprised the chinks haven't genetically engineered babies to be really good at certain sports and then have them raised and trained by the state so they win all the gold medals at the Olympics

>>132210635
Damn the future is going to be degenerate in ways we didn't even consider.

>>132213653
Yeah, people think you automatically get an adult clone.

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>>132210915
>all these replies and this hasn't been posted yet.

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>>132213510
seems pointless if the original is gone(if he's gone)
You need the original Christ being present so the clone Christ can relearn his psychokinetic powers. So in that case cloning Christ without the real Christ being alive is like cloning an average man.

>>132212114
>Girls are doable around 3yo.
That hick flag.

>>132213296
Literal feminazi führer? Could be really fucking bad.
On the other hand, a qt loli Hitler would be just like my japanese animes.

>>132213635
Yup, I totally agree. The only thing we can do now. Is to make progress little by little. I do not know, how long the current situation will last. But nothing is forever. And a certain point this tide will turn and opportunity's will manifest itself in the chaos. The other outcome is perishing in the process.

>>132213635
>I'd love to meet a girl that has BRAINS and her becoming an obedient little girl is HER THOUGHTFUL CHOICE, you feel me? That's why this is all fucking retarded.


This brings another question? Would you take a former slut that reforms herself and knows better about life or some pure but naive girl that can still fall for temptation. Do you believe that sluts can be reformed at all?

>>132211376
Are you retarded?

>having sex with a 12 year old brain and an adult female body is okay

It's the exact opposite.
Consent requires adult brains that can understand the risks and consequences involves.

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>>132213693
They have an eugenics program for that, how do you think this man was made? Also, at present it's much safer to selective breed than CRISPR mutant freaks.

>>132213693
Like ping pong?

>>132210915
>He paid to have the clone birthed, and then he paid to raise it to the age of 12 years old, as a mindless female body.

This would fail. Animals need movement to develop.

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>>132214047
Reminds of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF9o79uGQ_8

>>132210915
>ethics
>not comprised entirely of muh feels
Pick one

>>132214017
I believe that pirate posters are huge faggots.

>>132213973
I hope you're right and I'll be able to see your predictions become true in next 5-10 years or I'm dying alone lol.

>>132214021
A brain is part of the body. So what if it's a 12 years old but with an adult body AND brain?

>>132214184
That is the definition of a mentally challenged person i.e. retard, anon.

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>>132211319
gay incest

>>132210915
it became unethical as soon as you paid for something, ZOGboy

>>132213632
Would you like to become a vegetable?
There are people out there that can help you to achieve that.

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>>132213510
You can't clone an imaginary charachter, you doss cunt.

>>132210915
>The question of the story is: would that be unethical?
you have to be a sociopath for even asking

>>132214878
If it meant I couldn't actually think anymore, or be aware of anything at all, it would feel like being dead, and I wish I was dead, so I wouldn't have any problems with that.

>>132212260
Dr. Mengele would be ashamed of you. Change that flag now motherfucker.

>>132210635
>they claim to have seen him leave the facility with a woman bearing a striking resemblance to his 29-year old sister
So not only did he clone her, but he also caused her to grow at a rapid rate? Sounds totally legit.

>>132212756
Eugenics is a good thing!

>>132212788
Yes. Remove that flag you fucking traitor.

>>132215336
hitler would be against owning niggers

>>132213496
Ah. So you're a muh feels type.

>>132215179
>a woman bearing a striking resemblance to his 29-year old sister
So some random Chinese woman between the ages of 18 and 45?

>>132212968
Yes. Yes this. Please let this happen.

>>132211572
t. Tyrone Hernandez Smith

>>132215422
In a way, yes, in the sense that I give a fuck. Meaning matters, I think, and things can be perverse enough to actually be morally wrong.

I also want to be a fetal surgeon somebody, so I'm probably tremendously biased here.

>>132213247
Dr. Kevorkian proposed this very idea.

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>>132213630
A fate deserved only by south americans.

>>132213558
Remove that flag you fucking traitor.

>>132213642
>Nonsense. It's always human unless you make it so that the fetus doesn't have a head initially.
The conditions of the thought experiment are such that the procedure was done to ensure the fetus never developed a mind.

>A lot of things were considered science fiction.
That doesn't mean you get to invent things. If you want people to believe in your nonsense you must present evidence.

>>132210915
>would that be unethical? How can you say that's in any way wrong without arguing muh feels?

Obviously yes. it is murder. Same as if I stuck a screwdriver in your skull and kept your limp corpse as a sex doll. Please don't make any decisions involving right or wrong if this is not glaringly obvious.

>>132213112
>Human beans

>>132215732
>the fetus never developed a mind.

Are you George Soros because when it comes to human life you sound similar.

>>132213884
Or maybe that's what God meant when he prophesied Christ's second coming.

So they're saying that the scientist cloned his sister, and somehow used accelerated maturation to make her 29?

This is the most obvious character assassination ever. How can anyone be stupid enough to believe this? Of course it's a prostitute who resembles his sister, they're Chinese, they all look the same!

>>132211319
I'd fuck myself.

>>132212754
So is being gay. :^)

>>132213884
>clone Christ can relearn his psychokinetic powers

You think Jesus Christs recorded miracles are explained by a physical property you can clone?

O my.

>>132214099
As previously stated ITT, assume that part of the payment he laid out to raise the body to 12 included causing it to move for proper development.

>>132210635
>Chinese scientist accused of cloning his sister for sexual purpose

How would that even work? It would take at least 13 years for her to even start to develop

>>132211932
>t. leftist niggerlover westerner
Muh feels :( is why you guys are being overrun by shitskins.

>>132215856
>Or maybe that's what God meant when he prophesied Christ's second coming.

Or maybe not. Bad idea to try and second guess God.

>>132214934
Namecalling isn't an argument, Indonesia.

>>132215899
>>132215899
>I'd fuck myself.


I'm quite confident you already do regularly.

>>132215392
This. The Nazis believed in treating their animals well and with compassion.

>>132215010
We often feel like that during our lives but it passes.
I once was halfways out the window of the third floor contemplating, that i could just end it all now.
But i came to the conclusion that i may have a shitty horrorible handful of years and if i can just endure it, the rest of my life may be worth living. Today i do not have those problems anymore, that destroyed me, and now i am recovering from them.

Life is sometimes a struggle but you should not take it for granted. You might as well live because atleast that is an experience. Sure, sometimes you suffer but suffering will lead to two things, either you fail or you get stronger.

To deprive someone to the human experience, to live, and especially for your own gain is just selfish and corrupt.

>>132215781
But it's not. They do not kill the clone, they prevent it from ever developing a mind.

>>132215840
Don't get so excited. It's just a thought experiment. Are you drunk, cousin?

>>132214934
>>The question of the story is: would that be unethical?you have to be a sociopath for even asking


I understand you and your moral reasoning but you have to understand these degenerates grew up in secular societies where morals are relative and there is no good and evil. They don't even know how fucked up they are, is like a mild version of the transsexual illness.

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>>132210915
This is wrong because it involves losing your virginity for a pointless reason that produces nothing good.

>>132215010
>If it meant I couldn't actually think anymore, or be aware of anything at all, it would feel like being dead, and I wish I was dead, so I wouldn't have any problems with that.

Not your call for someone else though.

>>132215939
Who's to say they're not? The Church position is that Christ was fully human.

>>132215292
>Eugenics is a good thing!

You're a secular abomination like trannies then.

>>132216010
You're the only one second guessing

>>132216179
If you can't say why it's wrong, how do you know it's wrong?

>>132216194
Nobody in this entire thread said anything about virginity before you.

Are you projecting?

>>132216245
>Who's to say they're not? The Church position is that Christ was fully human.

No. The Churches position is that he was part of the trinity that is God while also being human..

>>132216257
At least transvestites remove their perversity from the gene pool.

>>132216260
>You're the only one second guessing

I've speculated not a jot on Gods mind...you have.

>>132216363
I don't think you understand the Trinity. It doesn't have parts. It's one whole. You should go read the story of St. Patrick and the shamrock.

>>132216382
>At least transvestites remove their perversity from the gene pool.

Sadly amoral secularists don't do the same thing.

>>132216403
Quite the contrary, I am not even sure there is a god, let alone that he would have a mind. But I have to agree with Galileo, who said that he refused to believe in a god that would gift man the ability to reason and then demand he not use it.

>>132216023
No name calling. Just stating a fact. If you see nothing wrong with that, you are a sociopath. Maybe that's the default state of a human, but I believe we're better than that.

>>132216439
Many do, through abortion and birth control. It's alright though, cousin, I love you anyway. Say, if I give you money and AR-15s will you go kill some protestants? You can even make some petrol bombs, or whatever the devil you call them.

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>>132216352
I think we should value our virginities more and not give them away to sluts, even to sluts who have had their brain functions removed. They'll probably still find a way to take all our money. Don't trust them, anon. I speak from experience.

>>132216500
I'm not convinced you know what a sociopath is. You certainly seem to not know what a thought experiment is.

>>132216436
>I don't think you understand the Trinity. It doesn't have parts. It's one whole. You should go read the story of St. Patrick and the shamrock.

Tells an Irishman about the analogy of the three in one by St. Patrick using a shamrock.

I sing for God and St. Patrick every St. Patricks day and have read his confessions. I have also stood on Tara where St. Patrick is purported to have made the analogy.

Thanks though. I learned so much just there from you and about you I wish I did not know.


Why do you hide your national flag? Are you ashamed of it?

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>>132210635
>telling the difference between chinks

>>132216483
>Quite the contrary, I am not even sure there is a god, let alone that he would have a mind. But I have to agree with Galileo, who said that he refused to believe in a god that would gift man the ability to reason and then demand he not use it.

So can I stick a screwdriver in your skull to make you brain dead and why not?

Please...no answers involving your potential, merits or feels. Apparently in your world view humans are just potential corpse like sex dolls and human life is worthless.

>>132210915
Nothing you said takes away the fact that she's 12

>>132216500
>No name calling. Just stating a fact. If you see nothing wrong with that, you are a sociopath. Maybe that's the default state of a human, but I believe we're better than that.

You are right but lapsed protestant secular societies are like that. Their women murder their unborn for convenience like underfed feral cats eating their newborn.

>>132216726
its not self aware

>>132210635
clone the whites, who knew the gooks would be the ones to save the white race

Finally! Now neither of us will be virgins

>>132216605
My ancestor wrote the memoirs of Thomas Francis Meagher, who designed the flag you call yours.

http://www.archive.org/stream/memoirsgenthoma00cavagoog#page/n10/mode/2up

He served under Meagher during the Irish invasion of Canada.

Sorry, cousin, I'm as Irish as you are. More, most likely, since I at least remember to hate the British and the protestants.

And you, anon a chara, demonstrate a lack of understanding of the mystery of the Trinity.

>>132216533
>Say, if I give you money and AR-15s will you go kill some protestants?

No anon I won't murder anyone. I would only use violence to defend another who had done nothing wrong and who was being attacked for no reason. In which case I assure you I would smite the wicked with tools better than an AR.

But thank you for your kind offer.

>>132216693
You misunderstand the thought experiment. I thought I had already corrected you on this. Are you literate in English?

The terms of the thought experiment are that the girl was not killed. Rather she was made to never develop in the first place.

>>132210635
>Chinese scientist
>cloning his sister
>couldn't even clone a regular girl
>could genetically engineer any kind of inhuman beauty
>had to get a gook
I call bullshit

>>132216726
Why is that important?

>>132216767
Which is funny because Ireland is poised to legalize abortion. Something comes to mind about glass houses and throwing stones.

>>132216886
>My ancestor wrote the memoirs of Thomas Francis Meagher, who designed the flag you call yours.


Ahem. I have listened to you before on this anon. As regards your pretensions to being more Irish than I. I assure you, you are not. You get to be Irish by the grace of God not aspiration..

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>>132210635
Is there anything objectively wrong with it if she's consenting?

>>132216900
I didn't say anything about murder. I was talking about killing protestants.

But stop being silly. There's no tool better than an AR for smiting.

>>132216886
Bitch you ain't Irish if you're not living in Ireland.
It's blood AND soil.

>>132216941
>Are you literate in English?

What do you think?

>>132216941
>Rather she was made to never develop in the first place

Same think as someone sticking a screwdriver in your brain and fucking your brain dead body. Exactly the same. I misunderstand nothing.

>>132210915
Those are a lot of unnecessary steps my friend.

>>132217016
Perhaps, but you don't get to pick who has the blood of the Irish flowing in their veins. That makes us cousins whether you like it or not. :^)

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>>132217058
Kek

>>132217006
>Which is funny because Ireland is poised to legalize abortion. Something comes to mind about glass houses and throwing stones.

Soros and the EU and MSM. There will be a giant rally against that soon. Watch this space.

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>>132210915
As expected, you got nothing but muh feels.
The only people that have any argument standing is the pro lifers with their 'every life is precious' mindset, but as the world clearly shows, it's not.

>>132217081
Alas, my rootedness to Ireland was severed by the depredations of the british people. As such, I feel the diasporic disconnect. But that also makes me more nationalist than an Irish national. I actually care about unifying the 6 and 26. Most of the people in Ireland have given up on it.

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>>132210635
>story about a man successfully cloning a grown woman
>pol instantly believe it because OP said too

what did they mean by this?

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>>132210635
Don't let people hold you back Mr. Scientist! Follow your dreams!

>>132217102
>Exactly the same. I misunderstand nothing.
You betray that you misunderstand. However, I'll give you the benefit of thinking you're being purposely obtuse rather than just intellectually inferior.

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>clone yourself
>she cucks you for Tyrone

>>132210915
Why not save some time?

>>132217109
I believe the conditions are designed to defeat certain types of ethical objections. Ultimately the point is to attempt to create a situation in which it may be considered ethical to fuck a 12 year old.

>>132217058
>I didn't say anything about murder. I was talking about killing protestants.But stop being silly. There's no tool better than an AR for smiting.

Dispite their distasteful antics they are still human and I remind you that many of the united Irishmen of 98 were in fact Protestants. As were some other fine men like CS Lewis. Only just defence. I prefer smiting with a centerfire bolt action in a larger calibre anon when protecting the innocent from the wicked...each to their own hey?

>>132210635
china will vastly outpace the west in human genetic experimentation. I'm a geneticist, but I work with plants. They dont scream when you cut them, and going through thousands of mutants to get one right dosnt piss anyone off.

China does not give a shit because they are robots.

>>132217233
>279 KB PNG>>132210635 (OP)Don't let people hold you back Mr. Scientist! Follow your dreams!

You sound exactly like a tranny too.

>>132217138
Wow. Did he died?

>>132217160
Okay. When nothing happens and I'm disappointed, how do I contact you to complain?

>>132210915

tbq I don't see much wrong with it.

I've already thought about this before as well. The thought that we could eventually genetically engineer people into slaves with no emotion or awareness is strange but I have a feeling it will happen and I honestly don't see anything wrong with it. If a human is as dumb and unaware as a plant then it is not a legitimate person.

Another question is if you were to remove the brain from a human and replace it with a computer would that body still be considered a human?

>>132210915
I'd tell that guy to go fuck himself.

>>132217238
Your intellect which you deem superior on your own assessment is however a crippled thing with a conscience as ill informed and dumb as a rock.

>>132217188
Yeah, that's the curse of being a diasporic %place your ethnicity here%.
But if you really cared about these issues then you shoul've realized that without YOU being THERE not much can change. Repatriate, nao.

>>132217179
That's not their argument, though. Their argument is one based on human rights. If human life begins at conception, than the fetus has rights even before its brain is developed.

>>132210915
Sounds like he doesn't understand what cloning really is.

Protip, it's not duplicating.

>>132217312
Unfortunately not

>>132217350
>Okay. When nothing happens and I'm disappointed, how do I contact you to complain?

Come over here and stand naked in Stephens Green.

>>132217306
Trannies are degenerate as fuck.
Having sex with your sister is the crowning achivement of mankind.

>>132217269
It's not 1798 any longer anon. It's not even 1981 when Bobby Sands died.
>bolt action
It's not 1916 any longer, either.

>>132210915
>The question of the story is: would that be unethical?

No.

But this is too convoluted anyway.

Pretty soon we will be able to make legit blade runner replicants.

If you make one without a brain, what's the difference between that and a sex doll?

Same thing.

>>132217188
>Alas, my rootedness to Ireland was severed by the depredations of the british people. As such, I feel the diasporic disconnect. But that also makes me more nationalist than an Irish national. I actually care about unifying the 6 and 26. Most of the people in Ireland have given up on it.


Stop larping as Irish. Please. Be proud of your nation but confusing unwanted terrorism with the aspirations of the Irish republic and its acceptance of democratic mandates is not part of the main theme of the Irish nation...whatsoever.

>>132217359
Stop, rather not have full blown Battle Angel Alita in the prospects.

>>132217359
So you think the Alphas should fuck the Epsilons in Huxley's Brave New World?

>>132217611
Dude if you ain't taking your land back then you're a little twat.

>>132217599
>If you make one without a brain, what's the difference between that and a sex doll?

It's murder. Simples. You interjected to destroy the brain of another human.

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>Forgetting to cross the DNA with a cute animal.

What a tragedy. Such potential.

>>132217387
So then do you say we cannot have philosophical discussions on the ethics of things which may be immoral? Because your conscious objects?

>>132217359
>implying a human brain isn't a fleshy computer

>>132217188
From the north here, and i do not want one until the south sorts itself out, until they stop the genocidal shit on themselves. The irish nation ironically stands more of a chance surviving up here in the north.

>>132217413
I don't think they allow Americans any longer.

Besides, the Irish do not value freedom. They have no second amendment.

>>132217427
:^(

>>132217649
>Dude if you ain't taking your land back then you're a little twat.

You a big killer are you? How many people have you actually killed?

>>132217458
Now don't promise me something you can't deliver. When I do it, you'd better be there.

>>132217710
>philosophical discussions on the ethics of things which may be immoral?

You may as well be having a nice chat about being a pedo or a torturer. You are the failure of secularism.

>>132217611
It's not a LARP. I'm as Irish as you are. More, because I never gave up on the dream.

>>132217814
>Now don't promise me something you can't deliver. When I do it, you'd better be there.

Get on the plane quick. Fame awaits you.

>>132217705
>It's murder. Simples. You interjected to destroy the brain of another human.

No, you decided to make it that way, you did not destroy anything.

And it's not a human if you create it artificially.

>>132212578
>>132212578

FUCKING UNDERRATED

my sides are in orbit

>>132217723
And what of the muslim menace in the North? Are you doing a better job than the Republic of keeping Ahmed out?

>>132217888
>It's not a LARP. I'm as Irish as you are. More, because I never gave up on the dream.

Sad...you say that and hide the flag. By the way, you don't get to decide whether I'm Irish or not, I'm born of people born here for ten generations and Roman Catholic and my family have done more glory for Ireland than your fantasies can encompass.

>>132217861
If you cannot discuss why pedophilia is wrong, then perhaps it isn't wrong at all. On the other hand, if you want to call it wrong, perhaps you should know why.

Have you never met a Jesuit?

>>132217599
A living sexdoll, that is creepy as fuck.
When we start turning ourselves into sexdolls then we have lost all respect for ourselves altogether.
We do alot of disturbing shit to eachother already, i do not think we should get any worse.
This would be the height of corruption for ones self.

>>132217935
>And it's not a human if you create it artificially.

*if* big if there. Very big if. A human is a human no matter how you try and twist the definition to facilitate evil

>>132217909
I'll come in my own time. Meanwhile I'm waiting for your little anti-Soros rally. Come on anon. Do you want to disappoint me?

>>132218014
>And what of the muslim menace in the North? Are you doing a better job than the Republic of keeping Ahmed out?


Frankly no.

>>132218014
Yes actually. But still, not good enough.

>>132218070
>Have you never met a Jesuit?

What do you think?

>>132218042
What flag do you think I hide? This is the flag I pick.

>>132218157
>I'll come in my own time. Meanwhile I'm waiting for your little anti-Soros rally. Come on anon. Do you want to disappoint me?


I'm sure you will be in bed. Feel free to get your arse out and go.

>>132218104
>A human is a human no matter how you try and twist the definition to facilitate evil

So if I create a creature using artificially synthesized DNA in an artificial womb, and make it look like a human, is that a human?

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>>132218084
>When we start turning ourselves into sexdolls then we have lost all respect for ourselves altogether.
Anon, that has been done countless times in human history.

>>132218223
>What flag do you think I hide? This is the flag I pick.

so you would go under that flag instead of the flag of the Republic?

Irredeemable.

>>132218159
>>132218188
I'm getting mixed messages.

>>132218201
Your attitude suggests you have not. They value the sort of thing you seem to find abhorrent.

>>132218257
Anon, you promised me a rally. Don't bitch out now just because you're afraid I won't be there with you.

>>132218309
Sex slaves yes, but not sex dolls.
There is a difference between the two.

>>132218084
>A living sexdoll, that is creepy as fuck.
>When we start turning ourselves into sexdolls then we have lost all respect for ourselves altogether.

I wasn't talking about turning somebody into a sex doll, I was talking about creating sex dolls, creating artificially made organic creatures that look like people, but have no consciousness.

>>132210635
So they saw resmblence to the 29 year old sis.
DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CLONE TO GROW? So he waited 20 years or so, and he cloned his sis when he was 22?
BS.
Looks like a campaign of discreditation, typical commie shit.

>>132218312
I'd fly the Golden Harp flag. The white in the tricolor is meant to symbolize peace between Ireland and England. I'll never fly a flag like that.

>>132218354
We in the north do not have as much foreigner percentage as a whole

>>132210915
This is all fine and dandy but a human, even without higher brain functions, is still a human. They also can't consent to sex so the gov't will fuck you up.

>>132210635
Why would you clone your sister whenever you can clone yourself; XY>XX genetic alterations is easy, it has been done with sheep.
I'm not talking about Transgendered shit here. This biologically would be an actually female.

The point of the XX clone would be a vehicle for future childbirth for the XY; unless you have biological flaws of your own, this is the ideal, the non-plus-ultra, of biological succession.
No, I would not engage in sexual activity with the XX clone, it would seem too holy of a thing to defile with such filth but years down the line, I think artificial insemination via an earlier donation would do the trick.
Ideally, the clone would be near 30 (older maternal age to a point = higher IQ) around the time and my sperm would be saved from whenever I was 25 or so (older paternal age = lower IQ).

The end product, the child of two identical XX and XY DNA lines, would truly be the highest individual achievement a human could accomplish in life. It is akin to God creating man in his own image; man creates his successor in his own image, even at the biological level.

>>132210635
Can a clone consent??? Do you need consent???

>>132218475
That is turning ourselves into sexdolls even before "birth" or what ever the equivalent would be to birth.
You might as well just develop actual sexdolls to be better than making life to do that. And look, you would have to clean them, feed them, wipe the dribble and shite of em.

>>132219055
Sure, it's still a person. It's like a twin.

>>132210635
>biological 3DPD that will get muh rights in no time
Much worse than sexbots. Get to work on that shit already.

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>woman bearing a striking resemblance to his 29-year old sister.

How can you even tell that when all chinks look identical. They are ant-people.

>>132219067
>So anon, who is this woman? Is she your girlfriend?
>Yes?
>Hi my name is ______, what is your name?
>...............Ublublub
>What is wrong with her anon? You are not dating a mentally disabled person are you?

>>132219067
What if we engineer maido cat girls with a very high tidiness level (the thing peterson talks about). They'd keep your house clean and view erections as something to be dealt with immediately.

>>132220111
Digits, wtf?

You mean naturally, biologically tidy? And give them an altered state of consciousness where it is their nature to serve and want to?

>>132217359
It is more likely that before scientists are able to clone mindless human slaves, they are able to build working drones and robots that operate themselves, which not only would be more ethical (I guess) but probably also more efficient. Besides there would be no use of a mindless human slave to perform any cognitive tasks, so their only use would be in physical labour which robots indeed would be better at.

>>132210915
Just shoot them both for putting you in a disgusting moral dilemma

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>>132220111
kek approves

>>132220452
Serving is just a way of tidying. Natural women have a slightly higher tidiness preference than men. Improving on the theme seems logical.

>>132221176
I don't think we should me fucking about with biology.
And i don't like the idea of humanity becoming genetically programmable.

>>132221176
>>132221460
In any shape or form i should say

>>132220111
Make options for dog girls and bunny girls too.