Atheists will defend this

>>132198787
>the real creator is his own father AND son, and also a ghost
>it says so in this old Jewish book!
my reply won't bump your thread, flagfag

>>132198873
>the real creatir was some water and lightning

>>132198873
>strawman

>>132199039
I have not said what the creator was or if there was a creator, but you actually think Genesis was real, right? Badass Templar, huh?
>>132199341
>no actual argument

Again, this reply will not bump.

Real argument. Athiecucks can not defend this. It is speculative anyways. The odds of a cell making itself is literally almost impossible. It is 1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of a chance.

If a basic as hell bacteria forms on its own, how the hell does it automatically have the ability to reproduce. There would have to be 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000s of those types of basic bacteria before one would ever spontaneously get the ability to reproduce.

>>132200175
>almost impossible
You know how the almost impossible happens? Time. 4.543 billion years ago the earth formed, life appeared 260 million years after that.

Time, as they say, is on my side. Yes it is.

>>132200303
No, all living things genes trace back to a single common ancestor. Even trees & shit believe it or not. This doesn't imply not deny a god.

>>132200175
>1/10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 of a chance

well, there are ten times more planets than that that can host life, and there's 4.5 billion years too

>>132201391
That's just the age of the earth. The universe is older (13.82 billion years) and panspermia is a valid hypothesis

Athiecucks do not understand basic Biology. A Phospholipid bilayer has to form with a whole bunch of cell surface receptors to have an affinity towards nutrients, there has to be Ribosomes, a nucleoid. This all has to magically form together for life to occur. Even a phospolipid bilayer is somewhat chemically complex. What's more there has to be thousands of phospholipids that magically go next to each other just to form the membrane. It is too complex to naturally form. Also, if time was a determinant, why is there literally no proof for life on other planets when the Universe is literally infinite.

On another note, athiecucks, remember in the 90s when scientists said the universe came from something and was somewhat eternal. They now agree with the Bible in saying it had a beginning.

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>>132202435

>Tfw atheist but still unconvinced on how Abiogenesis happened

The Miller-Urey experiment is such bullshit too.

>/pol/ tries science
cute

>>132202603
abiogenesis is a sham. there's 0 scientific evidence for it. it's not replicable in a lab test. it isn't even theoretically sound

>>132201391
yes because we can tell if planets can contain life from millions if lightyears away

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Theists can't prove their god without violating this.

>>132202435

>complexity, therefore God
It's a pretty big universe, there are many, many planets, and a lot of time has passed. It is entirely possible that a complex clump of molecules formed by chance.

>Also, if time was a determinant, why is there literally no proof for life on other planets when the Universe is literally infinite.
Because as you have stated, the universe is infinite. It is entirely possible that there is life on other planets, but we have only seen a tiny fraction of it.

>They now agree with the Bible in saying it had a beginning.
Yes, and? Arguably, everything should have a beginning since time doesn't really travel in two directions. But how does any of this imply a creator?

>>132202603

The world's a mystery, and we have much to discover about it. I consider myself an atheist for one simple reason: because if a God exists, we must not only discover what he created and how he created it, and what happened by chance, but we must also ask a question about God's origin. A world without a god is incomprehensible, but a world with one is twice as incomprehensible.

>>132198873
This guy gets it.

>>132198873
>the real creator is his own father AND son, and also a ghost
it doesn't say that though

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>>132203507


>Muh Arguments

Yet, Atheists can't explain why our World is Flat.

>>132198787
wait so god is a basketball american?

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>>132203681
Theists threaten people with their imaginary friend well into adulthood.

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>>132203507
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

>>132203810
>doesn't know what the word "imaginary" even means

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>>132198787
Christianity is a cuck religion, FAGS you just WANT god to seed your wives, Jesus is the son of a bull.
Yes yes let the big G handle your life for you, turn the other chick pussy.

>>132203810


Nice dodge of the question.

If the Earth is Flat, it was created.

No two ways about it.

>>132203816
>watch Moses video
>they find human bones a chariot wheels at bottom of water

>meanwhile you can find cars at the bottom of water bodies all over the world

>>132199904
you didn't have an argument in the first place you massive nigger. counter-bump

>>132204199
>implying chariots are the same as cars

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>>132204199
yeah i doubt you watched the whole thing

>atheists will defend this
>Doesn't know what he's talking about

>>132204346
>wood has never been found at the bottom of a water body

That's some Theistic mental 4d chess

>>132204138
Not all Christians are Catholic.

>>132201527
>>132201391
believing in "science"

>>132200303
the law of thermo dynamics is what creates cells.

cells come from energy. energy is non-biological. fire is not biological. heat is not biological. biological cells form when the energetic conditions allow for them to be.

>>132204607
>generalizing chariots as wood

>>132205167
Oh yeah they had metal. Is that why chariots can't sink?

>>132205226
>chariots produced throughout other parts of the world
>the only body of water that contains piles of ancient chariot remains is the red sea
>some dumbass on 4chan claims 'hurrr itz jus wood'

>>132202435
>when the Universe is literally infinite.
Religicucks do not understand basic physics. It is not infinite. It's just big as fuck and constantly getting bigger. The rate of the universe's expansion is fast enough that it is impossible to travel out of our local group of galaxies, or any other group of galaxies for that matter. While we are probably not the only planet with life, we will never meet any aliens because they are moving away from us faster than either of us could catch up.

>>132203528

Athiecuck, much modern communication travels through radio waves (electromagnetic radiation). A 13.82 billion year old universe allegedly had life on Earth for 3.5 billion years. If multiple civilizations have formed, why have we not heard from them? SETI has not found evidence for intelligent life other than on Earth. Electromagnetic radiation travels fast and far enough to reach Earth, but we have not found life. AKA FERMI's Paradox. If life formed at age 2 billion for the Universe and developed intelligent life, why have we not picked up on it billions of years later even though it has enough time to travel throughout the universe to us.

Athiecuck, I was saying the Bible had some predictability in stating that contrary to scientific belief until the 90s, the Universe had a beginning.

Athiecuck,

The universe is infinite you dumb ass athiecuck. Mathematically, infinite means it keeps getting larger you dumb nig.

>>132205477
>the only body of water that contains chariot remains

1. The oceans and seas are barely explored, and incredibly difficult to find shit it. It's impossible to accurately state anything we've found is the only one that exists.

2. You've never thought a chariot could fall off a boat? You can find videos on YouTube of cars falling off boats. I can't believe that you're so stupid that the only explanation for chariots at the bottom of a water bed is it was parted by a magical being. Holy fuck you're stupid.

wow, really makes you think... maybe we're wrong?

>>132198787
You idiot you can be Christian and believe in evolution, imagine Jesus told people that we came from monkeys no one would have listened to him because they would think he is crazy.

>>132203528
Also cuck, have fun falling into your degeneracy that atheism and nihilism brings.

>>132198873
The father is God
The Son is the part of god we can comprehend through Jesus.
The Holy spirit (ghost) is the faith, kindled by the Son, that believers hold in their hearts and give to each other through acts of charity and kindness

I'm not even properly religious, it just doesn't seem that complex to me. I could be way off-base though, never studied scripture.

>>132206317
So he told everyone he was the son of God and at the same time God himself and that he will sacrifice himself, who cannot die because he is an immortal being of immense power, for the original sin which he declared a sin.

And that made much more sense.

>>132204138
>checks flag
nice try schlomo

>>132206462
Your god does not exist its just the creation of an illuminate fag

>>132204669
Obviously god makes all these electronics work, through magic

>>132202603
i'm catholic, but honestly if i were a nonbeliever and I wanted to be metaphysically consistent I would just have to assert that life always existed. abiogenesis is the dumbest metaphysically unsound ad hoc thing i've ever heard.

>>132206064
>implies there's ancient chariot remains throughout bodies of water everywhere on the basis that the oceans are 'barely explored'
>implies that ancient egyptians shuttled chariots on boats without any basis
>implies that the cause of the events precedes the actual explanation of the events
you're incredibly stupid

>>132198787

and who were gods parents?

>>132206064
we have explored the coasts

there's bodies and its in the perfect location

>>132206317
so instead he would lie?

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>>132200175
>The odds of a cell making itself
The first step isn't cellular life.

But defending that theres a man who lives in another dimension and created humanity out of thin air is rational. That sounds like a story ancient niggers would chant around a fire. Go ahead and be religious but don't insult people for not buying into your shit.

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>>132207587
a lot more rational than the big bang and abogenesis

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Are you sure?

>>132198787
If there's any starting point it doesn't have parents, retard. Would god have parents?

>>132207068
The first step is God creating the atoms to make a phospholipid for his already created life.

>>132207882
Atoms are not the first step either.

>>132198787
well he was probably a molecule so, yeah makes sense

sage

I want to believe everyone in this thread is baiting instead of being actually retarded

>>132202948
How the fuck would abiogenesis even work? Does lightning transfer information or something? Where does the information come from?

>>132207784
god is eternal. eternal doesn't just mean goes on forever, it means without a beginning or an end.

ITT: we're just going to repeat ourselves over and over in a big shill way! Bible's or other scriptures can't be backed up or tested in anyway or form! YOU need faith to believe religions. I think that says enough..

>>132208065

what information?

>>132198787
They won't, because it's ignorant as fuck.

>3.8 billion years ago
>life existing

retard, life is thought to have begun approx 1 billion years ago, and the organisms living back then were genderless

>>132200486
It's cute when they think a few billion years is enough to luck together a functional cell.

>>132207587
Why the fuck not if everything is possible? Makes as much sense.

>>132207926
The first step is God creating volume to put his atoms in to make the phospholipid to support his created life. "In the beginning God created the heavens"
Also, fun fact, the BIBLE says that life first formed in water before on land. Modern Biology supports that part of the Bible. The reason that is important its immense predictability from a 2000+ year old book.

>>132208133
DNA and the RNA to carry it out.

Ever notice how few shitskins are atheists compared to whites, or how most scientists are atheists?
God existing or not, Atheism is the intellectual man's way

>>132206790

>I would just have to assert that life always existed.

How did life exist before the earth existed?

>>132208065
>How the fuck would abiogenesis even work?
it wouldn't, not even theoretically. it's the dumbest theory that's conjured up by pop sci

>>132203507
God is not something to be proven, it is something to be believed

>>132208201

Which creation myth in the bible are you talking about, you are aware that their is two conflicting stories right?

>>132208235
early life didn't have dna or rna

>>132208254
name a single influential scientist in history who was atheist

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>>132208350

>>132205082
This is nonsensical. You say that cells 'come from energy'. How? Even if we are talking about a ultra-basic bacteria, nothing but a cell wall and some encoded DNA, how does this come about?

>>132208322
What are the Ascendent God and the Demiurge for $500 Alex

>>132206953
>b-but what created god?
If a cell doesn't need parents why does God need them?

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>>132208120
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/125637346/#125637346

>>132208664

>ultra basic bacteria

Kek, even the most simplistic bacteria contain hundreds of genes and numerous other complex, functional parts. All of which, mind you, need to be arranged in a particular, careful way.

>>132208254
It seems you are committing a logical fallacy, cuck. ad hominem

Scientists are generally antisocial and commit jewry all the time in their work. An athiest chemistry professor will likely steal one of his worker's chemical compound set up reactions because he has zero morals. The set up will be named after the thief.

Anyways, all the best scientists and mathematicians to have ever lived were Christian or a theist like Albert Einstein. Kurt Godel fixed the axioms math is built upon, and he made an ontological proof before God died.

>>132198787
obviously some acid particals just happen to come together and create DNA, thats of course after the universe invented its self. Obviously.

>>132206953
Beings without beginnings (like an eternal God) don't need beginners.

>>132208596

classical egg/chicken dilemma. the answer is that there was a percussor that was neither egg nor chicken.

>>132208350
was it also incaple of taking in energy or reproducing? How about existing?

>>132208899
So God

>>132206019
actually it means without center and simultaneously every defined point is the center

>>132208254
Unless scientists are studying God in their labs who cares what they think about it?
Most theologists are Christian.

>Christians are stupid enough to believe atheists believe this

FTFY

>>132208825

Anon, the mousetrap argument has been debunked for years now.

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Crystals.

Life piggybacked off crystallization.

My ancestors. :)

>>132206685
>illuminate
is this bait or are you actually retarded? do you honestly believe the illuminaty existed back then?

>>132209005

The debunking is used on the basis of evolution, which does not apply here. You can't use evolution to argue for the creation of the first cell.

>>132208899
Chicken and egg isn't science, gleebort. Do they also reference the law of Immovable Object in textbooks now?

>>132209074
One fucking google search
Here you go you fucking retard, denounce your kike worshipping cult or kill yourself
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128251-300-first-life-the-search-for-the-first-replicator/

>>132209074

the very first steps in the creation of life were things that, by the current definition, weren't alive. Things so simple as to arise from the random mixing of chemicals in the early earth.

>>132203528
I must not understand your reasoning. Why would Gods existance leading you to determine what God did and didn't do have anything to do with you be living in him or not? It sounds like you are saying 'God's existence would mean my work is harder, so I believe he doesn't exist'. But that's absurd, so I probably misunderstand.

As for the origin of God... he doesn't have one. As He is something that has always existed, there is no starting point to his existence and thus no Origin.

>>132209074
>You can't use evolution to argue for the creation of the first cell.
Actually, you can. It's easy to apply the very same principles of natural selection and evolution to non-living, self-replicating chemicals. It's the same basic premise. Stuff that is better prepared to continue existing in its environment will be more likely to replicate, and so on.

>>132209398
>life coming from non life
>atheists actually believe this
you realize theres no proof of abogenesis and its just what they think happened rigjt?

>we don't know how life started so this book of jewish fairy tales will just have to do

>>132209554
survival of the fittest =/= evolution

As a Christian, disproving abiogenesis does NOT disprove the theory of evolution.

Probably the only thing that abiogenesis currently has going for it, was the Miller-Urey experiment, which was flawed and produced minuscule amounts of amino acids, and half of them were "right handed isomers" and half were "left handed isomers" This is referring to there chemical formation. Life cannot arise when these isomers are mixed.

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>>132209750
Are you fuckin' with me?

>>132208825
I'm aware how monstrously complex life is, but I need not bother with bringing the rest up when people can't even explain how to get two or three of those parts together through naturalistic means.

>>132198787
Why most of religious people autistic?

>>132209818
it plays a part in evolution but you can have it without evolution.

>>132209350

>Conjecture
>"maaaybe it happened this way"
>No explanation of how genetic code originated
>Using extremely specific lab conditions to prove life formed from the chaotic conditions of early earth
>Article flatly admits they've only created 2 of the 4 nucleotides
>doesn't explain how enzymes formed to make use of the fucking RNA
>Unironically states that life formed in "deep ocean vents" despite ocean vents denature proteins

K then, and I'm not a christian you retardo

>>132209909
Ha its literally the exact opposite

>>132209932
Natural selection is the process in which evolution occurs. I have no idea what you're fucking even trying to say.

>>132210026
People find tall people attractive so tall people are more likely to pass on their genes making more tall people. its not evolution its just genetics

>>132198787
neanderthals didn't much care about family

i don't see how this proves anything, dumbass

>>132209976
Just look around in USA. There are a lot of bullshit sects like the Witnesses of Jehova or the Faith Church and not to mention those isolated inbred shithole sects. So tell me why most of religious people not retarded?

>>132210026
Natural selection is NOT the process in which evolution occurs.

Natural selection is a part of what drives evolution if you believe it, and most theistic people accept natural selection, what theistic people don't accept is the belief that over billions of years and millions of small mutations and changes a fish could become a reptilian and the repitilin could eventually become a avian and so on

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Best way to explain it so atheists:

Don't look at God as some sort of scientific entity, like some guy physically existing in the universe somewhere floating around and making shit.

Instead, think of God as sort of the greatest good that all of humanity can aspire towards. It's a potential for a transcendent goodness of being that exists within all humans, and something we should all be working towards. If you look at it that way, rather than trying to apply some pure scientific/logical frame to it, then you can begin to understand religion and the fact that it's more or less made up the fabric of the society we live in, largely for the better.

>>132209948
Tubby, the reason you convert to Christianity is that it is most historically accurate religion. The Bible says life began in the ocean first and then went on land. It also states that our universe had a beginning. Modern science did not figure this out until the 90s, so come join the club that knew the truth all along. God knows truth.

inb4: I called you tubby, so I won't join.

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>>132208359
Thomas Edison, Alan Turing, John McCarthy, just to name a few
>>132208852
Im not saying ALL scientists are atheists, but they most definitely have a such a tendency
>>132208954
Scientists are generally people on the bright side of the IQ spectrum, relatively speaking. Now link this to how most of them are atheists and draw your own conclusions

Why do people cling to religion so hard? Not even talking about just Christianity here, religion in general.
Your beliefs are literally what some organization tells you to believe, isn't that shady as fuck?
You can go ahead and believe in god, but why do you have to follow religious dogma? Why don't you just interact with god directly?
Religion is literally for cucks. Religious institutions are literally cucking god away from you.

>inb4 well evolution is lie
Ok, maybe it is, but I don't worship Darwin or let him tell me how to live my life.

>b-b-but religion gives us morals
I'm not religious and yet I don't steal, murder, etc. Seems like common sense shit.

>>132198787
Probably life came to Earth from space and is widespread in terms of simple life forms.

A miracle in any case. As our existence.

And cmon, Humans are literally 10000x more intelligent than any other animal, you really think all the transitional creatures that led up to us died off? no.

>>132198787
You know this sounds reatarted but I believe in a idea that god caused the big bang. Which he then decided to intervene a little bit to make earth. Then after that he just stopped to see what happens. This leads to natural evolution on earth. So then god then test us to see if we stay loyal to the lord.

>>132210128
>>132210227
Micro and macroevolution are the same thing. The only difference is one of them takes place over tens of thousands of years, and the other takes millions.

>>132210457
>Humans are literally 10000x more intelligent than any other animal
Evidently that multiplier is a little bit smaller than that.

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>>132210423
Tubler, it is not common sense shit. You fat retard, before Christianity, people were acting like wild animals and had no mercy or sympathy for people. Christianity made mercy a virtue you dumb degenerate.

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>I don't understand! Therefore GOD!!!

>>132210423
Okay if that's what you think religion is, or at least Christianity to the people who really believe it, you're retarded. It's not what an organization tells you to, it's believing that the Bible is the word of God, and that you should abide by it. the biggest thing that so many people miss is the personal relationship with God, that is 100000x more important than going to church twice a week for example

>>132210423

Hey guess what buddy, animals murder and kill each other, and humans used to (a lot more) too. The largely peaceful and moral (relatively speaking) Western society we live in today didn't come out of nowhere.

It took thousands of years of bloodshed to get here, and the foundation of it is Christianity. Look at how ingrained and definitive it has been. Jesus is the most well known and revered person on the planet and has been for thousands of years. The laws and morals we used today were first introduced and popularized by religion, mainly Christianity.

>>132210182
Because atheists are more likely to have actual autism

>>132198787
This is so stupid, born out of thin air like Creationists do?

>>132210587
>I don't understand! Therefore RANDOM CHANCE!!!

Christians who are anti-evolution are actually retarded, go to school faggots

>>132210529
The fact that you think that microevolution and macroevolution are the same thing instantly drops your credibility to 0.

They are not even close to the same

>>132210774
No. Therefore do more research and not just simply claim MUH JEEZUS!!!

A random chance is more probable than a magic sky daddy kid.

>>132210827
Explain how they are different.

It would be a bacterium or other single celled organism, since that's what we evolved from you fucking christfag

>>132210387
being a scientist does atomatically make you smart. you're probably quite smart in your specific field but doesn't you are in orhers.

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>>132198873
Father = God
Son = avatar he inserted into the particle simulation to interact with us directly without having to hijack another player's avatar or tediously hack the simulation
Holy spirit = euphemism for free will of a conscious soul controlling an avatar in the particle simulation, conscious free will is necessary for any potential outcome to resolve one way or the other in this universe, this is proven by science via the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment

pic related, it's where your basic bitch world view comes from

>>132198873
stop thinking reeeeeeeee

The real win for the theist here is obviously no one fucking knows.

Any speculation into the origin is just that LARPing

Heck you don't even need to go that far back. There are lots of unanswerable questions as to how natural selection worked out in its microscopic near infinite minutia.

Fuck an A there are probably millions if not billions of extinct animals that existed for longer then Human animals did we don't even know about and it might be totally impossible for us to even know about.

And yes unless time travel exists we will never know.

But back to the original point.
A pure skeptical mind must admit that he does not know and cannot know as it is impossible to see that far back into the past a happening so small in a world so large and so alien to the one we live in today.

The Coup that is pulled off with this by the Theist over the Atheist is "Why do you care at all?"

There is a state of unknowing. In fact "unknowable" is fact on this subject. Yet every fucking atheist jumps in anyway trying to prove a LARP.

Why you doing that Athiest?
really ask yourself that. What is motivating you to jump on a "LARP" over "unknowing"?

And how is that even remotely different then the theists view?

>>132210864
I really don't want to waste my time educating you, as it's not my job to correct your ignorance, but i will.

Microevolution is simply a small change in an animal, like a mutation. This mutation if favorable, will be kept due to natural selection. This gives this specific animal and it's descendants a slight advantage in its immediate surroundings. We can observe this in Africa, where people malaria infested locations have developed a tendency to keep one working gene and one non working gene for blood cells, leaving them as a carrier for sickle cell-anemia. This renders them immune to malaria, but at the same time only a carrier for sickle cell anemia.

macroevolution describes the larger process and belief that these mutations are unlimited, and for example a fish with billions of mutations would eventually become a bird or a human( over simplification here, i know). This is an incorrect assumption, as animals have a certain limit to where they can mutate too.

Not to mention that macroevolution has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED. it has only been speculated, not even seen in the fossil record. Microevolution on he other hand, has.

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>>132211431
>He has no parents
Here is a more scientifically accurate model.

>>132211272
Except both of those are evolution, dumbass, it's just one of them takes a long time and the other doesn't. Building on itself, those mutations come together, over time, to drastically change whatever animal is going going through it. Eventually, that creates new species, and if given a long enough time it can do what you say is "impossible."

>animals have a certain limit to where they can mutate too
And where are you getting this from? Observation, I assume. There's no other way you could say that as fact.

>>132211431
>macroevolution has NEVER BEEN OBSERVED
No shit, Sherlock.
>not even seen in the fossil record
So you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about? Nice.

>>132211680
My dad is the flying spaghetti monster.

>>132210864
Happily. Microevolution is what we have observed. It consists of shifts in which genes are prevalent in populations and situationally valuable mutations that broke something is a useful way. Lactose tolerance is an example of this, where before humans stopped producing the means to digest milk after childhood (to maintain the ability was a waste of resources) but that transition stopped happening after drinking milk into adulthood became viable.

The key factor here is that microevolution is not a creative force; it either brings existing mechanisms into prominence or breaks a system that is not needed/is counterproductive.

Microevolution is described as a creative mechanism, able to produce new systems and information in the form of new bodyplans, organs, and so forth. The observed microevolution does not very well for this description.

>>132211711
You do realize that the Fossil Record if anything supports the Creationistic view of things right? Lack of transition fossils, mass extinctions, etc

>>132211680
>with no proof

>>132210654
The bible was edited by series of religious councils dating back to the 3rd century, it's literally a collection of church approved texts. Not to mention if you're not reading a greek/latin version, it's not a 1:1 translation, plus the original authors of the texts probably spoke aramaic or some other levantine language. Word of god my ass.

>>132210674
I'm not denying that christianity shaped western ethics, but why continue with the religion charade when the morals are already engrained into your culture. Just admit that X religion's morals are a good idea and ditch the rest of the dogmatic baggage.

>>132211711
Just cause it's got the name evolution in it, doesn't mean it's darwinian evolution. Evolution simply means to change buddy

>>132199904
>but you actually think Genesis was real, right?
All atheists can do is attack strawmen

>>132211272
>>132211431

You are killing me with your micro macro horse shit.

Just use th fucking terms Darwin came up with

Natural Selection = Micro
Evolution = Macro

>>132211762
My man YOU GET THIS. Good to see there's another person out there's whose studies some biology!

>It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.

Daily Reminder Christianity is a Socialist religion

>>132211902
Okay after that statement I'm kinda done with you, no point in arguing with the willfully ignorant. Unless if you're stuck back in time, micro and macro are not defined as such

>>132211762
Ugh, i have a lot of typos in the above. The last sentence is suspost to say 'macroevolution is creative blah blah', in contrast to microevolution.

>>132211829
Yeah Gid wouldn't allow them to completely cahnge it. And KJV is pretty much a word for word translation and is the best english one.

>>132212103
God*

>>132211853
VP5fkkq

^ discord gg link

>>132204221
OP didn't have an argument either. Entire thread is a bait thread and everyone should feel bad because a thread died for this.

Your god is but a myth created by some ancient white knight fag who realized the only way to get people to do what he wanted is to put the fear of "god" into them.

>>132212002
its a man who relies on his riches you retard
and its not socialist at all
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EWB3s2X0L6Y

>>132211102
first of all, you should look up what larping is before overusing it like a retard.
second - of course we will not know how exactly shit went down. we can try to find out how it could have happened.
why would we want to do that? because we are curious. we want to know if it could have happened on other planets and what some crucial conditions are for it to happen.
just saying god did it is the lazy way out and fundamentally keeps us from figuring out anything about us and our surroundings when applied to anything we dont know.

>>132212219
>Doesn't know how Christianity started

>>132211829
>when the morals are already engrained into your culture.

were

No longer though.

Be happy anon you live in a time the west has not seen for 1000 or more years. Heck even before then they had other Religions. But now there is only nothing.

The complete shattering of all moral and ethical basis in our lifetime and with the added cultural element that everyone thinks they are an atomized individual.

I might be overplaying it though. I mean Mexicans or Islamists going from house to house with machetes is a possible, maybe even likely anti-climatic outcome.

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>>132198787
I was trying to make a tree diagram showing the entire human anatomy and everything the human body depends on that would have needed to evolve at the same time, but pic related is as far as I got before I got too bored.

>>132211827
phospholipid bilayer bubbles can be reproduced without living things, many organic molecules can be derived by zapping their components in a primordial soup concoction.

>>132199904
>literally the "are you kidding me" argument

>>132202603
Wouldn't it be possible that, over time, the radiation from the Sun beaming at the young Earth caused changes in fundamental organic material located on the surface that, eventually, culminated into complex life?

>>132203507
You forgot that I have nothing to prove, what do I care if you don't believe in God, your loss at the end.
This is the thing with atheists, as soon as they find out you're a theist they make it their life mission to debate you constantly

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>>132212448
>many organic molecules can be derived by zapping their components in a primordial soup concoction.
This is like implying smashing rocks into dust is evidence that buildings evolved (which evolutionists literally must believe). A protein will never be made in a lab by zapping anything.

>>132200175
Lol kill yourself

>>132212219
No one ever talks about the underpinnings of freedom and rights. Atheists are particularly bad about this when they bring up classical liberalism or the enlightenment.

See the thing is the Christian god is unique in that you got to come to him freely. Created in his image, he is everyones god and the only god all that stuff.
If you are a slave and are told to go to him by your master...well you could just be going through the motions your soul eternally damned. And so Christendom as a whole and generally forbids it.

It is why women have to say I do at marriage. It is why the west freed the slaves.

There have always been gods and there has always been slavery. "Your god" as you call it why the West is free at all.

By killing him and wiping him from human memory has only one outcome. Other gods shall replace him and slavery for all shall return.

>>132212387
thats some serious autistic retardation, but I'll bite thr bait

you are wrongly assuming that evolutionworks on single organs,and before they eveolve they are nonfunctional

in realityentire organisms evolve to slowly change simple, less effevtive systems into more complicaded and effective ones while maintaining perfect compatablity

>>132212708
You'd expect it to be reversed, as theists believe that there is an important reason to convert atheists (the fate of the converted person's soul in the afterlife) while atheists do not believe in such eternal consequences.

So why do they seem more invested in the debate then us?

life, uh, finds a way

>>132207653
>i'm too retarded to understand it thus it cannot be true

>>132198787
WHO made god?

>>132213095
besides i do understand it and its still retarded

>>132207653
Why are you bashing the big bang? It's strong evidence that the universe had a beginning, which is fantastic for creationists.

>>132211809
And here we have a dumb nigger. Muh transition fossils is a surefire way to identify a 50IQ monkey who somehow wandered on the internet

>>132198787

>Years of research with thesis drawn on empirical evidence

vs

>the "infallible" word of god, told by the fallible mind of man, translated a few times (by a select group of people) through the years for good measure too.
Who are you going to believe?

>>132213180

>i understand it i swear.
>no, the big words doesn't hurt my head it's truth

>>132213058
Retard on the internet syndrome. When you spot a retard saying fucking mongoloid shit, most people first instinct is to try to educate said retard so he stops polluting the space

>>132213324
bottom

>>132213344
nice arguement

>>132213141
not even God knows

>>132199904
Not all americans are morons, you sir have a (you) from me. Also sage.

>>132213431
You provided none. Why is abiogenesis retarded ?

>>132213490
have you actually read the thread?

>>132208878

So I assume that god is you. Right?

>>132213548
Just post it here, mentally retarded kun

It's already in the thread apparently so shouldn,t be hard for you

Why is abiogenesis retarded?

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>>132213141
Someone hasn't read the thread. God, being eternal, always was/is/will be, and so never had to start being. Thus, no-one made Him.

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>>132212387
Fixed the picture in case anyone finds it interesting or wants to finish it. "Colon" was pointing at the same subsystem four times instead of there being four subsystems.

>>132213681
2 lifeless things making life

>>132213893
You gotta be more precise, little retard

What is retarded about amino acid forming in favorable conditions (like say wet clay under primitive atmosphere with lots of energy due storm and other natuiral processes) then grouping up ?


Sewriously tho, it's fine to admit you simply don,t know, at this point

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Thus, life was formed.

>>132205493

Your definition of infinite is whack. If there is always more universe than can be measured and it constantly increases then you have a pretty nice definition for an infinate universe right there.

Certain scientists made an experiment for how life could be created by non-living material in natural conditions. They simulated an asteroid crashing into earth, in a lab. I'm this asteroid contained multiple kinds of protein, acids, and carbon. They used a very strong cannon to shoot this rock into rock like soil that also contained no living organisms. They theorized that the energy from the impact and the materials had potential to create life. And on the FIRST test, can you guess what happened? The simplest forms of life have emerged, RNA. Which predates our DNA and is the code that makes up some of the earliest possible life known. With enough time and the right conditions, any life has the chance to form. There has been life on mars, even the smallest still counts. Science is the desire for understanding of the world around you with factual proof. Things that can be repeated with success.

Religion once held a similar point of view in many people's eyes, but has no ground to stand on in today's world of facts. People around the world are becoming more educated than in the past. And this is good, just try to maintain an open mind and don't let religion control your thoughts if you still believe in a deity.

>>132211027
>Son = avatar he inserted into the particle simulation
The Son existed before Jesus though.

>>132214053
Implying amino acids are life is like implying concrete is buildings. The burden of proof is on you to show that amino acids can magically make proteins in non-living, "favorable" conditions. It is irrational to believe they can if you can't provide an argument, "little retard."

>>132208878
Objects without beginnings (like the singularity that existed prior to the Big Bang) don't need beginners.

See? Both sides face the same issue. If we can define God as eternal, then we can just as easily define the universe as eternal.

>>132214214
One part isn't much at all we you need probably hundreds.

>>132208201
You clearly have never studied Biology at advanced level. The way you write and how you keep repeating the word phospholipid tells me you read it on Wikipedia and are trying to sound knowledgeable.

>Using coincidence as an argument that the Bible is correct.
Just how Muslims try to say Islam is the one true religion as the Quran correctly says the earth orbits the sun.

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>>132198787
>children in this thread

>>132214361
That completely breaks physics though(and atheists believe you cant break it)

>>132198787
Does god have parents?

>>132213804
Thus, it is just a pagan story made by mentally ill iraqi jew.
He did had a talent in writing tho

>>132214214
>I'm this asteroid contained multiple kinds of protein
This is literally just false. A protein has never been developed in a lap, especially not by simulating natural conditions.

It is only a matter of time before life can be created in a lab.

Even now, they have managed to create some of the building blocks in simulated Earth environments.

What will you say then, religiousfags?

>>132211272
Yeah that totally explains why humans have a tail bone just like all mammals. It can't be macroeveolution. It must be God just having a laugh.

We BTFO you Catholic cucks every time you try and invade us. Why isn't god on your side? Hahaha

>>132214610
>thinking the "tail bone's" name means it's a tail.
>implying God himself named all the bones in english
This isn't even b8, is it? You're just retarded.

>>132214609
nothing because it will never happen

>>132214610
you realize it has uses right? And wouldn't evolution get rid if it?

>>132214609
>It is only a matter of time before poopie doopie doo

>>132198787
Atheists are free to think for themselves but they're forcing their 'belief' that there is no creator. They mock believers. Theists are the same.

>>132200175
>The odds of a cell making itself is literally almost impossible
See I'm not even a fedora and I know about quantum possibility.

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>>132214609
>design life using intelligence
>HAHA FUCKING OWNED! BET YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN INTELLIGENT DESIGN NOW THAT I HAVE CREATED LIFE, YOU THINK CREATIONISM IS REAL NOW HUH?

>>132214808
Don't you have to have a mind of like an 8-year-old in order for beliefs to be "forced" on you?

>>132214555
What do you mean? There are protein in asteroids. How is this false? It's fact. Look it up for yourself if you are curious. Don't just be arrogant and make up a lie to soothe yourself with.

>>132198787
>change label to God
>he has no parents
wow makes perfect sense now

>>132214609
That said lab life is very intelligently designed. Heh.

Really, my response would probably depend on the details of the experiment. How close to a realistic environment the lab used, stuff like that.

>>132214493
Black holes and quantum mechanics also appear to break physics, but that's because we don't know enough about the universe to have a 100% accurate model.

>>132212791
you dont even deserve a response for an argument like that.
I was going to say something to prove you wrong, but I'd rather have you shut up.

>>132214724
>Christcucks '''intelligence''' everyone
You cannot be that dense that you don't realise the tail bone is an evolutionary left over and is essentially an extremely small tail.

If that's not bait it's unbelievable. But you are American so...

>>132214774
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vestigiality

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>>132214912
Someone hasn't read the thread. God, being eternal, always was/is/will be, and so never had to start being. Thus, no-one made Him.

-Number of times posted this thread: 4

>>132214910
I misread what you said as "made protein in a lab." Protein has never been discovered on an asteroid. Proteins are made via a complex and tedious process that doesn't occur in non-life and could never occur in nature in a trillion trillion years. You have a better chance of a Ferrari naturally coming into existence (which evolutionists must necessarily believe btw, as our "creations" would necessarily just be part of the evolutionary process).
>>132214974
>I was going to say something to prove you wrong
I believe you completely.

>>132214726

>We will never fly!
>We will never go to space!
>We will never understand DNA!

>>132214794

If it's possible, it will happen. It is just a matter of time.

>>132214872

>Conducting successful experiments to support a theory does not prove it

Arguing with /pol/. Never again. Jump off the Deus Vult bandwagon, it's embarrassing. Embrace science and maybe we'll get off this planet someday.

>>132214925
besudes we can clearly see black holes so it doesnt

>>132214974
>no arguement

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>>132215240
>If it's possible

>>132214774
No the coccyx does very little. The fact it is impractical proves it to be part of the process of evolution. Evolution is not evolving to be perfect. It's evolving to be just good enough. As soon as the tail got so small in Apes, Horses and humanoids it was no longer visible and so was no longer a trait which would have any influence on natural selection.
Why do eyes have so many shortcomings? Blind spot etc. Because we evolved to have eyes just good enough to survive. If we relied on them to hunt to survive we might have evolved eyes like that of a hawk. Instead we relied on our brains to hunt.

>>132215078
You realize it has uases right or are you this retarded?

>>132215240
>too dumb to argue
>blames everyone but himself
You're a fucking idiot.
Intelligently designing life doesn't disprove intelligent design.
Also not everyone who calls you a fucking moron is a Christian. You don't have to believe in intelligent design to see how retarded it is to try to disprove it by showing how to intelligently design life.

If you don't believe life can be created naturally, look up (google) any combinations of these key words and you'll find creditable sources discussing the building blocks of life. "Proteins in asteroids" or "amino acids in meteorites". Unless you're too arrogant or prideful to improve yourself and understanding of the world around you.

Just open a second tab and do it.

>>132215310

Are you saying it is not possible?

In a hundred years?

A thousand years?

A hundred thousand?

Just please - You're embarrassing yourself.

Sometime I find it hard to understand how the people I agree so much with, keep believing in such complete fiction.

Man created God - Not the other way around.

That said, I do understand the benefits of a religion to a society.

>>132215240
you keep telling yourself that

>>132215313
>very little
yeah so it still has uses

>>132215314
>Christcuck attacks strawman once again.
It has some uses but nothing major. Hence why you can have it removed.
God gave it to us for a reason though right. Just like he gave us defects in our eyes like Blindspots and an appendix which has literally no use in humans.

>>132215447

Creating life in simulated Earth conditions would support the theory of biogenesis, no?

>>132215460
>protein and amino acids are alive

>>132214361
You could claim such. So what?

>>132215207
It has been created naturally. They found a meteorite that contained amino acids and was created by two asteroids crashing into each other, heating up to 2000 degrees Fahrenheit IN SPACE. This meteorite crashed on our planet. This is fact. And only a fool will deny facts.

>>132215553
I attacked your arguement you retard. And the appendix does have a use

>>132215613
Stop changing the goal posts, retard.

>>132198787
> 6,000 years ago there were only 2 people
> We are all incest retards
> Thanks god.

>>132198787
You lack any understanding of evolution. Besides you don't have to be an atheist to know and understand it.

>>132215828

Changing goal posts?

What are you even talking about?

I've been arguing for the same thing all the time.

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>>132215907
evolution is a hoax
the earth isnt even a globe

they lied about everything to hide god

can you wake up to the truth and believe in god? thats the test were in thats why you exist

>>132215918
see
>>132214609
then kill yourself
We are not talking about whether or not creating artificial life supports theories of the origin of life. We are talking about ''hurr durr let me intelligently design life, what will you say then religious FAGGOTS HAHA *tips fedora*''

>>132215634
Protein and amino acids make up RNA which is life. And RNA has been created by the two by adding energy in the scenario of a meteorite crashing into earth. Tested and proven.

>>132215765
Amino acids are not proteins, but the building blocks to make them. That's like saying that you found a cabin when you actually just found a fallen log.

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Job 37:21
And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them.

1 Corinthians 3:18-19
Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

>>132216076
>cocacola font

>>132216114

You seem rather agitated. Are you sure you understand me?

While my first post was in a rather provocative manner, the point remains - creating life in simulated earth conditions would support the theory of abiogenesis, which explains how life came to be without the need of a God.

Something you don't get about that?

Is the truth difficult to accept?

>>132216147
RNA isnt life how autistic are you?

>>132216185
I think saying you found proteins when you found amino acids is more comparable to saying you found proteins when you found amino acids.
Why do you brainlets use retarded analogies? Can't you just talk straight and not be faggots?

>>132216076
Stop shitting up the thread with this flat earth junk. Make your own thread if you want to debate it.

The topic here is evolution and the origin of life, not geography.

>>132216185
You're mistaken, RNA was created by those things. And that is life. Take your analogy, and change it with finding a log that was once used to make a cabin. That's what I'm talking about.

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>>132216347
its all tied together you flippin retard

if you start with the hoax globe earth you cant even debate them because atheists live in an alternative universe that isnt real... they use it to justify all their bullshit

>>132216233
the clouds arent behind it you fucking retard the light is just shining through


are you seriously suggesting the sun isnt bright enough to shine THOUGH the clouds?

>>132216307
Not autistic at all. Look up RNA for yourself. It's one the simplest forms of life. It replicates and stores information, just like our DNA. It's the foundation of life and that's a theoretic origin of how life began.

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>>132216510
no because theres clear video of even the clouds going behind the MOON on youtube

its all published theres no way around it

>>132198787
What the fuck do you not understand about evolution to post this garbage.
I don't even consider myself an atheist but find this incredibly stupid.

>Man comes from ape,
>ape comes from monkey,
>monkey comes from large rat,
>large rat comes from smaller scaly rat,
>scaly rat comes from lizard,
>lizard comes from newt,
>newt comes from fish,
>fish comes from small fish,
>smaller fish comes from microscopic life forms.
>microscopic lifeforms come from special temperature, pressure and light environments.
(Obviously this is incredibly simple but that is the steps of human life.)

>>132216674
Ummm. It's published by a uncredited website. Those are claims made by people with a record for absurd accusations. Check your sources kiddo.

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>>132216870
>uncredited website
do you watch CNN too and believe everything they say? you sound like a really smart guy with your blind trust in only credible sources like the mainstream media

>>132209948
>Not a Christian
>Uses deus vult flag

Fuck off larper

>>132216475
You're the one living in an alternate universe. Where do you get these facts? On the creationist homepage?

Get educated. And you better not be spreading these lies to other people. This information you believe to be true is harmful to oor growth as a species. Open your mind to the truth. Forget what religion tells you for a moment, and find out for yourself. Then question whether you should follow everything in your religion afterwards. You can still be Christian if you think God created three universe.

>>132205477
moses didnt part the red sea tho
even biblical scholars agree with this

>>132216986
That's not even a real image you dumb fuck. It's a recreation of what it might look like in high res, obviously the designer thought it would be cool to make it bigger.
If you're so convinced the world is flat or there is some big conspiracy why not fly to Canada and walk to the edge.

>>132216674
>a burger believes this
Why am I not surprised.

>>132216807
>What the fuck do you not understand about evolution


Haha he is using evolution for everything what a dumbass .

>>132208188
well obviously it was enough to luck a cell
because it H A P P E N E D

obviously not a proper cell with all the functional organelles, just a bubble with some shit floating in it that could just about duplicate itself.

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>>132217372
actually it is a real image posted by nasa

theyre all fake

>>132208277
the alleged highest IQ man on earth claims the same thing you do, netherbro.

>>132216986
I watch a variety of media outlets and look at multiple sources of information on the internet. Credible ones.

Do you know what "credible" means? It means a widely trusted source of information that has evidence or facts to back its claims and has done so previously MULTIPLE times.

You have to ask yourself, "is this true?" when you hear about any news or facts being told to you. Analyze it by looking up more information and come to the conclusion on your own. Hopefully you have the commen sense to do so, so you can further your understanding. It's good to be wrong, you learn from your wrongs. You can't learn from being stuck in one way.

Question everything. Even yourself.

I looked up what you are claiming out of curiosity, I didn't let my previous notions of the earth being spherical stop me. But I concluded it's still spherical.

Now you try.

>>132206462
jesus is more properly described as the son of man and not the son of god

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>>132217911
>I looked up what you are claiming out of curiosity, I didn't let my previous notions of the earth being spherical stop me. But I concluded it's still spherical.

i dont think you did

>Now you try.

i used to believe in a globe earth until 1 year ago i was just ignorant and fell for the deception

>>132202435
Not if life formed in "cells" in porous volcanic undersea vent rocks, with a pre existing nutrient/proton gradient and preformed amino acids from the vent itself, meaning that neither cell walls, nor metabolic mechanisms, nor food source locating devices were necessary to begin with, simplifying the initial, biggest jump to one of "simply" a self copying structure that occupies rock "cells" and can copy itself to new cells.
From there, there is an easy path of evolution to compete for cells, then to compete for partial cells, learning to "repair" sections, before finally breaking free, whereupon they need to compete to survive further and further from the pre existing food source, and thus develop metabolic and feeding mechanisms etc.

>>132215765
No, only a fool believes something is true just because someone says it's a fact. Amino acids are not proteins. It's doubtful any asteroid has on or in it the necessary chemicals even to form an amino acid. It's like you'll believe anything just because someone calls it science.

>>132202435
Also: big bang is religious theosophy masquerading as science. There are a huge number of unsolved and contradictory phenomena and problems with the big bang theory, eg quantised red shift, and vastly superior (steady state) theories that don't have such problems, but the big bang jew is pushed upon us all anyway, and the problems ignored, or papered over with "muh dark energy" ad hoc nonsense

>>132202948
Bahaha rofl

Erm..it IS replicatable in a lab test, you just didn't read the initial "paper" and "method" properly....
To replicate: first, you need a universe, and at least a few billion years hehehe

>>132218177
mutative genetic additions*

Why are you fags discussing evolution?
Most of you are christians and the bible speaks of evolution, since Noah grabs an animal of each kind, nor of each species and subspecies, he grabs them of each kind and they evolve.

Or at least that's what you believe if you are christian.

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>>132218449
we believe in variation from the original pairs on noahs ark

a form of change over thousands of years not billions

>>132218085
There is no evidence to prove your theory.

There is no gain in oppressing the truth of a spherical earth.

You just have Photoshop'd pictures to refer to. Your belief in this conspiracy theory is flat out wrong. I was like you once, when I was 19 and used to do drugs. I wanted to believe I was lied to, it made this dull life more interesting. But, I learned ways to open my mind and sharpen my own reasoning skills to avoid bullshit like this. I'm a lot older now, and just hope you gain the wisdom learn that as well.

Good luck with life and I hope this is a phase for you too.

>>132218566
*looks at flath earth map*

You know, globes aren't flat.

>>132198873
This. Christians are literally subhumans, lmao

>>132213004
>you are wrongly assuming that evolutionworks on single organs
I am assuming no such thing. The implication that they would have to evolve at the same time is not a singularity.
>in realityentire organisms evolve to slowly change simple, less effevtive systems into more complicaded and effective ones while maintaining perfect compatablity
Irrelevant and impossible. It's like you have no concept of irreducible complexity, and are instead just regurgitating your indoctrination, so sure that the super smart evolutionists must be right.

Which evolved first: the digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to its own digestive juice? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? Males or female -- when females got their reproductive organs, were they just waiting around for the male, or was it just really good timing? The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones -- what did the bones do until the muscles evolved?
Concerning natural selection, if we went to a car factory and we took out all the kinks, all the bad things, in the car assembly line, after we got everything that was wrong with the car assembly, how many runs would we have to wait until finally they produced an airplane?
You believe the necessary mutative genetic additions happened undirected, naturally over only a couple billion years based on insufficient evidence and illogical explanations.
A billion years isn't a long time.
>>132215482
>Are you saying it is not possible?
I don't need to make any such claim. Your claim is that it's possible, but you're apparently confused -- assertion isn't proof.
>I find it hard to understand how the people I agree so much with, keep believing in such complete fiction
I don't -- you're stupid, but that isn't an immutable condition.
>Man created God - Not the other way around.
false dichotomy
>thinking is hard

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>>132218642
>no proof

DERRRRRRRRRR

>>132218673

What, you don't believe god killed his son to forgive you from eating an apple?

>>132218304
Actually they found them in space already

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17628-found-first-amino-acid-on-a-comet/

>>132218735
>what is an allegory
>what is a parable
>what is phenomenal language
>implying that if God is possible, a tree of knowledge of good and evil isn't possible
>inb4 hurr but phenomenal language can't hold truth
>>132218942
The composition of asteroids, I mean comets, is more diverse than I guessed.

>>132218658
>*looks at flath earth map*
fuck off reddit nigger
the earth is flat

>>132218304

It's from multiple credible sources. I'm not just believing "someone" that's randomly saying it's science. What's foolish is to believe an ancient book that was used to oppress the masses and keep them uneducated for centuries, by a church that would sooner have you killed for blasphemy than to look for the truth. Religion was a source of power and control for a long long time. And it's true meanings and morales have been mutilated by people who backed these churches. Wake up.

>>132219009

It's not a parable though. He literally got mad at humans reaching gnosis through a fruit.

>>132219064
*raises paw*

No, it's a 3 dimensional object in a virtual reality kind of universe.

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>>132200175
The cell was't the first lifeform. A cell is very complex and the odds of one forming spontaneously is really small. The first "life forms" were probably chemicals capable of replicating themselves. Also things in nature aren't entirely random. The odds of all the atoms of a rock being in that specific shape is 1:10000000000000000.... yet it happens all the time because the distribution of those atoms isn't random.

>>132219283
>what is camera angle

>>132203315
Well not for sure but we can tell if the planet is at the right distance from the star to sustain life similar to ours. Not like it matters much anyway. There are billions of galaxies each with millions of stars. There should be many planets capable of sustaining life.

This whole flat earth notion is ridiculous. Look up "neil degrasse tyson on flat earth" for a quick explanation on why it appears flat to your eyes or a camera.

He's a credible person, with a strong reputation among scientists. NOT my only source. Just one of MANY. He's very amusing as well. I've been following him for over a decade, along with others.

Check out more of his stuff if you find him interesting.

>>132206777
le triples confirm

>>132218711
"
Which evolved first: the digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to its own digestive juice? The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce? Males or female -- when females got their reproductive organs, were they just waiting around for the male, or was it just really good timing? The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones -- what did the bones do until the muscles evolved?"

- volcanic undersea vents contain
-pre-made cell walls (porous rock pores)
- food source (proton gradients, the lower level energy system that underlies all life's higher level atp/glycogen/ketone etc cycles, and which mean
- NONE of those complex metabolic systems need to be evolved till later)
-complex chemicals including amino acids etc

Original cells were therefore, assuming this is correct: asexual (reproduction by simple fission), immobile, needed no digestion, hunger, stomachs, cell.walls, or any of that other complex crap.

Nothing but self replicating rna precursors, that competed for rock pore "cell" homes until they ran out of full pores, then competed to "repair" partial pores with precursors to cell walls, as well as competed to use proton gradients and other nutrients more efficiently, before finally breaking free with full cell walls, and then competing to divide, and utilise less and less strong external proton gradients, ie developing metabolic and digestive functions. Sex didn't happen till much later most likely.

A stomach is just thin absorbent skin that secretes acids etc, it can start as normal skin, then evolve to thinner protected skinin hollows, then internal cavity skin that secretes a few enzymes and weak acids, that slowly get stronger as the skin evolves to handle it, and so on.

"irreducible complexity" has always been shown to *actually* be "lack of imagination" by faithists.

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>>132219125
>It's from multiple credible sources
What? Proteins or amino acids? Because you apparently think they're the same.
>What's foolish is to believe an ancient book
genetic fallacy
>that was used to oppress the masses and keep them uneducated for centuries
the difficult-to-spot, actual ad hominem
Modern science owes its very existence to Christianity. Atheism only seems obvious to you because you don't know what you're talking about. Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, and Albert Einstein all believed in a god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_Christianity_in_civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates
If anything keeps people ignorant, i.e. "uneducated," it's "atheism."
>by a church that would sooner have you killed for blasphemy than to look for the truth.
Blasphemy is by definition against the truth. Your implication fallaciously presupposes the bible isn't the truth, and thus begs the question.
>Religion was a source of power and control for a long long time.
Irrelevant association fallacy, and ad hominem
>And it's true meanings and morales have been mutilated by people who backed these churches.
Genetic fallacy, ad hominem.. again.., and implicit equivocation and rhetorical tautology. I must admit, your ability to think like an idiot is impressive. You can't just define something as a "mutilation," and conclude you have proven something to be unreliable. Oh, and begs the question, i.e. this is a completely unsupported assertion.
You shouldn't confuse your delusions of ideological superiority with intelligence -- you might start to accuse people of "blasphemy" rather than to look for the truth.

You wake up.

>>132219461
>multimillion dollar equipment
>lets put a dutch tilt on it

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>>132219179
>It's not a parable though.
Source? Or are you so intellectually superior that your baseless assertions constitute fact?
>He literally got mad at humans reaching gnosis through a fruit.
fallacy of the single cause. He instructed them not to. There are consequences for disobeying God, unless you're arrogant enough to excuse yourself, of course.

>>132220000
>its not tilted because i say so
and no, the iron is not beyond me

>>132220090
irony
fuck

>>132209509
Ok now its up to you to come up with some proof that god was always there.

These threads are just twosides bait.
Theists and atheists will never see eye to eye, they're almost different creatures behaviorally.
This will probably lead to a global theist/atheist conflict eventually.

>>132220037
>Source?

Parables are identified as such in the bible or labeled so in any way in the bible.