I'm a Communist And Think I Proved Capitalism Wrong

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>>132188117
Lmao fuck off back to breadlines

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>>132188117
One Year: 1989

>>132188184
I checked the catalog, there are no other communist threads.

>>132188285
Good

>>132188266
What happened then?

>>132188309
So it's not a rule violation, this guy reported me when i didn't break any rule.

Communism has tons of class mobility, everyone becomes poor.

>>132188117
You need professional help.

>>132188433
But you can become rich by becoming a general

>>132188460
Explain

>>132188117
Yes, capitalism is survival of the fittest while it takes care of the poor. Get over it, loser.

>>132188537
>capitalism
>takes care of the poor
Read a book loser.

>>132188501
Why don't you just invent something or become a general under capitalism? Could it be you're a alazy deadbeat?

>>132188657
Because you have to be part of the upper class to get into a high up military job. For example google any general and go to wiki and click "childhood". You will find every single one grew up in a "wealthy household" and were sent to some expensive military prep school.

About inventing something that's a literal lol. You can't expect 8 billion people to invent something since we don't all have 150 IQs.

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Because communism totally takes care of the poor. The only real ideology that works is National Socialism.

>>132188117
Yeah, rich bloodlines exist but it's not impenetrable. Anyone can be rich if they're lucky or talented enough. I don't think it's unfair to deny a child their birthright because someone simply can't be them. If I become rich then I'd want to pass down my wealth to my children because I love them rather than watching them struggle from rock bottom and struggle to achieve my level of wealth if they do so at all.

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>>132188117
>Capitalism has no class mobility.
lmfao only if you're a worthless shitter who doesn't apply himself haha

>there can be a NO-NEPOTISM law where everything is done meritocratically.
ahahahah ok, and the NO-MURDER law means murders will never happen, right? this is your brain on communism

>>132189104
You're totally not messing with me.

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>>132188117
How do you reconcile the fact that modern communists have ruined Marx's ideas?

it's nothing but fags, feminists, and self hating whites. they dont care about the actual working class anymore, all they care about is muh POC and muh oppression

>>132189172
Well maybe some people don't want to watch their children struggle while the bourgoise get a free ride

>>132189179
Yeah sure totally, if only everyone worked harder everyone would be a trickle down trillionare hahahaha

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>>132189203
So the hundreds of times communism has killed its own people "for the greater good" and violently spread its influence is how you care for the poor? Communism can barely feed the poor because it becomes a bureaucratic hellhole and nothing gets distributed correctly.

>>132188117
>Capitalism has no class mobility
But that's wrong you retard. Class mobility may not be easy but it is certainly possible. The issue with communism is that it relies entirely on an interim step between true communism which is utopian and capitalism but whether or not it is possible to move from the interim step to true communism is debatable. Put simply true communism has never been tried and may not even be possible, every attempt at communism has failed to pass the dictatorship of the proletariat phase.

>>132189356
Marx was a feminist fyi but i do agree that modern communists don't seem to care much about economics anymore it's all about virtue signaling

>>132189374
I never said everyone should work harder dumbass, it's about working smart which niggers and degenerates are fundamentally incapable of doing

>>132189444
No he wasn't, he disliked feminism because all it wants to do is "empower" women to be slaves of capitalists

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>>132188117
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>>132188117
>this post again
(You)

>implies that communism shows signs of meritocracy.
Ha but no. Not really, the elite is established just like in any other form of political-social system and as a rule it becomes secular to rest of populace, doesn't mix alot with it.

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>>132188924
lol idiot. I know several high up military men and women from lower middle class upbringings. They were just smart and worked hard.

Fucking lazy teeny bopper reading daddy's first gommunizms. Fuck outta here.

>>132189374
>Yeah sure totally, if only everyone worked harder everyone would be a trickle down trillionare hahahaha
That's literally true though

>>132188117
>but it doesn't look i will end up able to be one
typical communist refusing to take responsibility for their own failures.

>>132189738
How will you use this argument when automation has reached a point where there are few jobs and most products require only the press of a button?

>>132189802
haha wow! capitalists are amazing! they only used child labor until it was illegal because theyre so awesome!

>>132189404
That's due to Stalin though, Lenin was the chill one

>>132189443
Well that's due to assholes in charge. If only lenin was in charge

>>132189489
Well sorry we aren't all 162IQ

>>132189531
Wrong. Marx said "you can judge a progression of a society by the social position of the opposite gender".

>>132189601
>snek flag
Troll confirmed

>>132189694
Nice bait

>>132189698
Most communist leaders grew up poor though

>>132189374
Why would you want to force someone else child to struggle but don't want your own to? It just seems like hatred toward people who are simply luckier than you. They didn't do anything wrong so why try to tear them down?

>>132189738
There's still supply and demand in communism. In fact in capitalism is where demand is skewed because say there is a SUPER high demand for water or food but the people have no money to afford it, the market judges food and water as low demand.

>>132189738
Capitalism is nowhere near that simple.
>inb4 not real capitalism

>>132188328
>He doesn't know
Okay. Don't you have summer reading to do?

Has communism even been tested before.
I mean, capitalism has been tested and it works.
Why can't we all accept the fact that capitalism works when most first world countries are capitalist.

>>132188117
> Capitalism has no class mobility.

DRAKE DEBUNKED THIS YEARS AGO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RubBzkZzpUA

>>132190005
>too retarded to excel in capitalism
>thinks he's smart enough to pull off communism

I wonder why you commies get mad whenever I call you retarded when you literally admit it

>>132189733
>civic nationalism

>>132189877
>it's Joe the plumber's fault that he has to care for his aging mother and family and can't find any job so he'll probably never be a millionaire

>>132188117
life's not fair. stop being a faggot, work hard, and make good choices and you will succeed. stop being a loser asking for gibs.

I was born a poor little white boy to a poor white family. I got my masters in occupational therapy now I make $78k a year. I am currently working on my Doctorate in Occupational therapy which will push me into the very low six figure range. From a family that could not even afford to send me to that damn Washington D.C. field trip. I have zero student loan debt at the moment as well. My GI bill coverd my bachelors and working full time covered my masters. Now I have more money then I know what to do with.

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>>132188184

Mexico has roads?

>>132188117
You can tell that commies only care about money because they act like you cannot have a fulfilling life without it- if you spouted this 'class mobility' bullcrap in front of a hardworking man who has provided for his family and led a valued life, he would laugh at you.

>>132189802
No actually. Thats literally not true.

>>132189877
Because im not mentally ill. You blaming yourself for your failures should be enough to institutionalize you for mental illness since it's a huge redflag for depression and low esteem.

>>132188117
Nepotism has become more prevalent in our society due to the amount of cheap labor shipped in by your commie overlords. We don't have the ability to start from the bottom anymore. Why? We can't live on what they are paying. Immigrants can because they benefit from socialists programs which give them housing and such. The rest of us scratch and claw for what we have and naturally our parents want to help. Thus the rise of nepotism.
Also why can't you become a lawyer and why is that everyone else's fault?

>>132190005
>Wrong. Marx said "you can judge a progression of a society by the social position of the opposite gender".

all communists have to do is drop this social progressivism like the soviets did and it would explode in america

>>132190044
Because you can make everyone elses life a little bit better via redistribution

>>132190147
No

>>132190155
Capitalism has failed every single time

>>132190160
That's a myth, he was born rich from the start

>>132190262
Shut up loser, stop blaming yourself for everything.

>>132190276
>78k a year
Bro you just proved your point. Yeah that's ok money but i mean like we will never run the means of production. I mean be like part of the elite class

>>132190320
I'm not tlaking about providing for your family. I could easily do that off inheritance since im going to inherit like a million dollars. I'm talking about actually running the means of production! That's true freedom, running the factories.

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>>132190005
>posts bait thread
>Roll plays as a gommunist
>Claims that I am trolling

>>132190354
Also Rockefeller was poor as fuck and his father was a con man

>>132190354
>Also why can't you become a lawyer and why is that everyone else's fault?
Because i did shit in high-school. It's not everyones fault i can't be a lawyer, but say i did good in school I would become a lawyer aka a slave to corporations.

>>132190571
Because you are roleplaying as a libertarian/capitalist when you're obviously baiting. You know that capitalism doesn't work.

>>132188117
capitalism has class mobility what are you talking about ? You wouldn't know it reading Keynesian research. They only take snapshots of the population as a whole and don't track the movement of individual/households and their wealth.

>>132188117
>Capitalism has no class mobility.
Wtf we have ridiculous amounts of it.
My mother grew up homeless, I grew up in a nice house and paid my own way through college, my child will grow up in a nicer house and have his college paid for.
What you are describing, generational job roles, is fundamentally anti capitalist.
Also, CEO =\= owner

>>132190587
Why does that mean you'd become a lawyer? Grow some balls and do what you want.

>>132190628
but capitalism works. Free enterprise is nice. You can make choices with capitalism, the idea of "we are not equal till it sucks for everyone" doesnt apply

>>132190751
Grow some balls, you can't "do what you want" in a capitalist land

>>132190726
You will never become the owner of the means of production

>>132190790
Oh really, well sorry but a system like capitalism DOESNT WORK. It only works for the upper class.

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>>132190628
>mfw he thinks I am pretending to be pro-capitalist

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>>132190524
>Shut up loser, stop blaming yourself for everything
right in the feels.
seriously though. communism is nigger tier economics.
>give up all rights and money earned by work
>get same amount of money you would get if you didn't work
>stop working
>government puts you in gulag, because everyone stoped working
>once more a slave to the system

>>132190866
So what do you want to do? I bet I could tell you exactly how to do it.

>>132190524
Learn history, dumbass.

>>132190524
I see were you are coming from. I understand my 78k a year salary will never buy me a mansion or put me in a position of political importance. But it affords me the ability to do whatever I want to do in life. I'm used to working 65 hour weeks pouring concrete ( that is probably the normal hour week for a commi) but now I work 40 hours at the most. I spend the bulk of my life hanging out with my wife and kids, fishing, hunting,and lurking pol

>>132190155
>Has communism even been tested before
Communism has never been established. It has been attempted several times.

>capitalism has been tested and it works.
lol

>>132188924
>since we all don't have 150 IQs
So....not everyone is equal???

>>132190524
>be like part of the elite class

Thats the problem with you all commies wanna be, every single western faggot that calls himself a commie thinks that if communism is pulled off in the west they will be somehow part of the elite/ruling class, but not a single one of you delussional motherfuckers want to be part of the working class, nobody want to be proletariat

In short is just like this man said>>132190203

You didnt succeed in a capitalist economy, now you want to take what is not yours by force because you are too retarded to achieve it by yourself, every commie must be shot in the spot, you are all just lazy and retatded

>>132190524
>Yeah that's ok money but i mean like we will never run the means of production. I mean be like part of the elite class
Those aren't the same thing
A contract worker owns the means of production
A guy making 3d printed parts own the means of production
A guy putting on a local festival owns the means of production.

The elite DO NOT own the means of production.

They invest.

They loan money to others, who make money, and pay them more.
This is even how stocks work, even though stocks are a form of ownership. You buy 100 in stocks, the company does well and your 100 is worth 200.
The absurdly rich can't get there by starting small?
Jobs, gates, Zuckerberg, oprah

Communism has loads of class mobility.

Everyone moves to the bottom rung of being half educated, half fed, and half clothed.

It's truly egalitarian.

>>132190921
No ones denying your a capitalist, but everyone agrees if you have capitalism you need strong regulations to regulate the shit out of these companies

>>132190946
I would prefer if we didn't have to work

>>132190960
I would want to be an investment banker or run a law firm. That's my ideal but i know that can't happen.

>>132190981
Learn history and economics dumbass

>>132190005
>Well that's due to assholes in charge.
Assholes every single solitary time? Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya, Warsaw pact countries, Yugoslavia. Every single one of them failed to pass the dictatorship of the proletariat phase and yet you think this time it will magically work on what grounds?

>>132190866
>You will never become the owner of the means of production
I owned my own business and sold it to buy a house.

>>132191056
>if communism is pulled off in the west they will be somehow part of the elite/ruling class
If communism was "pulled off" there would be no ruling class, that's kind of the point.

>>132190992
My ideal system would be so that people like you can actually have important disision making process

>>132191032
Nope.

>>132188117
can you give us some examples of how you have applied communism in your daily life and the blessings you have received as a result?

this is something you should be able to do without mentioning capitalism, seeing as how communism is such a great idea and all

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>>132188117
>my great granfather was a factory worker and my grandfather was the officer of a nuclear submarine and eventually became a CEO of a nuclear power plant.
>My other grandfather was a lower middle class lawyer, and my father moved to the upper middle class as a lawyer.


I have seem people get rich and become poor -in relativity to the average person in society-

>>132191126
>I would prefer if we didn't have to work
i don't think anyone would, but that's not realistic.

>>132190203
Except i am very intelligent, you're dumb if you excell in capitalism they love slaves

>>132191056
In capitalism you exploit others, in communism you work for what you earn. Only stupid excell in capitalism

>>132188117
When a faggot like me rose up from the slums in this country, to have a very decent high-middle class life, why cant you? Seriously, your gibsmedat attitude is oozing. Pathethic. Class mobility my ass.

>>132190005
Yes, but none of them were asigned because of their personal skill or education or achievements and weren't removed once a better candidate showed up. I am refering to USSR. Every single one of the leaders were well established party members, most of them came to power by eliminating their opponnents after previous leader has died, if I recall it right. If you consider political success as a merit in itself, even in cases, when one rounds up his enemies and shoot them, I can't argue with you on this topic.

tl;dr party system pushes forward amoral subhumans, just like in gags or syndicates, while refraining intelectuals and true communism theoricians.

Completely agree, in our current disgusting radical capitalist economy if you're born poor you'll die poor. Communism allows the proletariat to live in a beautiful, equal society where they don't have to worry about being poisoned by large corporations and be at the whip of their corrupt, bourgeois scum employer.

>>132191077
Jobs, Gates, and Zuckerberg were all born very wealthy, Oprah is an exception

Ok so let me ask you this, how do i become part of the bougaise class the guys who sit around on gold courses all day smoking cigars playing cards and being rich assholes? I always wanted to be like one of them.

>>132191292
>In capitalism you exploit others
Wait, real quick, what do you actually think capitalism is.
Like, not your opinion, but how you define it.

>>132191197
Sorry honey, but that is an utter lie, at least watch every communist country that has ever existed, they all have a "leader" with its ruling class, if you think that communism is the rule of the proletariat then you are either immature or retarded

>>132191126
Dude, capitalism was established because feudalism made no sense, like your communism bullshit.

>>132191292
>hurr I'm so smart guiz
>even though earlier I said my IQ wasn't high

>Only stupid excell in capitalism
lmfao, so if the stupid excel in capitalism why aren't you already in the elite then. Top fucking kek, you're so full of more contradiction than the Das fucking Kapital

>>132188117
>Two words; Class Mobility. Capitalism has no class mobility.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>132191398
Start your own business
Costs like $300 in texas

>>132191292
The low-iq and the unquestioning are the only groups who truly benefit from capitalism.

>>132188117
>the only system that has ever produced authentic rags-to-riches class mobility
>hah i prefer eating dirt for a living
commies are so stupid, is it malnutrition or what

In communism there's no class mobility either. There's only the poor who stay poor and the ruling party members who pass their position to their kids

>>132188328
You learned to use Google.

>>132190333
>No actually. Thats literally not true.
Several people in my family did this.

>>132188117
Yeah, perpetual economy shouldn't happen

>>132191135
>Venezeula
Proof ultra-capitalism fails

>Vietnam
Good point, fail communism

>Cambodia
Fair play, fail communism

>USSR
Quality of life improved

>North Korea
National Bolshivism not real communism

>Libya
Literal paradise on earth for the working class, communist WIN

>China
Fail communism, i agree

>Cuba
Did well considering the embargo

>>132191157
Well i mean like be a rich and powerful tycoon asshole elitist. That's what i mean, like the guys who sit around in top hats

>>132191235
I can't apply communism since i don't live in a communist society

>>132191262
Lawyers are poor, and your great grandfather probably had some nepotistic connection.

>>132191398
>Oprah is an exception

so you even ADMIT that class mobility is possible, you just shrug it off as "an exception" hahaha

>>132191135
A lot of those were established directly by the Soviet Union, so it's not surprising that they resemble the Soviet model. Others were literally not Marxist-Leninist (Pol Pot was a reactionary who idealized the medieval village life), and others still weren't perfect but were much, much less nasty than dictators like Stalin, Mao, and the like.

>>132191285
Automation

>>132190524
>Everyone's life it a "bit better" but that excludes successful people who were doing just fine without communism and likely forces even the upper middle class to suffer as well.
>Some people can have a great life while some have shit. Everyone can get lucky and join the 1%, even the ones born with shit. Parents are allowed to love their children.

>>132191530
Look up the Commune of Paris and Venezuela you fucking idiot. Obviously the Soviet Union and China did horribly under "Communism." This is because capitalists and shills destroyed the movement and made true communism impossible in both of the aforementioned countries.

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>>132189995
>communists don't use child labor

>>132188924
>you have to be part of the upper class
And under communism you have to be the generals son to become a general yourself

>>132191126
So get a degree in financing. Work as a teller while you're in college and trade penny stocks to build a portfolio. Once you graduate you can get an entry level position at a bank, probably as a loan officer while building your portfolio with more funds. Then you can move in to investments. That's not hard to figure out you just sound fucking lazy. You don't want to put in the work to get to the top. You think you should start there. Thus you believe the great lie that communism will put you there.

I think you could do it if you'd quit admitting defeat before you've even started. It's never too late to turn your life around.

>>132191292
You have never had a job dont you? Even less a business I bet, but no, when people seek work in my business I do not "exploit" them, in capitalism if you dont like your job you just quit, in commie lands either you work by force in what was assigned to you or you go to the gulag, this doesnt happen in here

>>132191616
someone gotta clean the machine cleaning machines.

>>132188117
i started out poor and founded my own business. now i'm not poor. wow look at that mobility that i achieved in a capitalist economy. incredible how smart people who are willing to work hard can accomplish things.

>>132191433
>every communist country that has ever existed
I see you missed my post where i said communism has never been reached >>132191020

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>>132188117

>>132189444
But even the kind of feminist that Marx was would be fucking appalled at feminists now

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>>132188117
>I'm a Communist
Shut up, retard.

>>132191308
>why can't i
I already am high middle class my dad owns a law firm. I want to be like the elite but can't since capitalism is holding me down

>>132191362
Ok well then that's fucked up. I want like a system where it's fully democratic and meritocratic without asshole dads giving their sons all the wealth to run companies

>>132191480
A business in what?

>>132191484
THIS!

>>132191597
Yeah but thinking it's realistic is like those hood rappers who think they gonna be lil wayne.

>>132191398
And there's where you fucked up buddy. You want instant satisfaction to your WANTS. It's fucking shameful when people from 1st world countries act like their victims when other shit-tier countries had worse.

You dont expect to be rich flipping burgers. It's a free market for god's sake. Learn a trade, formulate some products, dont get tunnel vision.

>>132191616
Who refills the automated car?
Who refills the gas pump?
Who processes the raw oil/natural gas?
Who digs wells for said gas?
Who the fuck repairs all of this shit?!

>>132188117
But op you have proven that capitalism does allow for class mobility! By most likely choosing to be a perpetual uni student rather than a lawyer you have demonstrated downward mobility.

>>132191594
Juche ideology has actually worked wonders in North Korea. I come from near their border and I used to dream about running away to their Utopia, a damn shame my family made me move to Canada for a stupid fucking STEM career. Whatever, we plan on making Vancouver Communist.

>>132191683
The USSR banned child labor in 1922. The closest thing they had was a system of mandatory service for schoolchildren on weekends. Not too dissimilar to the SSL system we have here.

>>132191807
>Yeah but thinking it's realistic is like those hood rappers who think they gonna be lil wayne.
then hood niggers should set more realistic goals, not change the system they're voluntarily and intentionally setting themselves to fail at by their own nigger decision logic lul

>>132188117
>Andrew Carnegie
>Born to a weaver
>As a child worked in a cotton mill for literal pennies an hour
>Became a messenger boy as a teenager
>Became a telegraph operator
>Then manager
>Invested money in growing industries
>Earned money he put into steel industry
>Died worth millions
>But there's no class mobility

Oh, and fuck communism.

>>132188117
its the opposite infact, anyone can become rich due to capitalism, even niggers who make songs by repeating the same 9 words. with communism, the average joe can never become rich

>>132188501
>rich/poor dichotomy
Sounds like you don't understand the goal of communism

>>132191563
They became trillionaires by hard work?

>>132191541
Wrong! Party members have to get their on merit

>>132191530
Moron! In capitalism you are born into a class

>>132191644
>upper middle class to suffer
Bullshit, i am upper middle class under communism i would become an inner party member

>>132191687
Not true

>>132191714
>get a degree in fractioning
I can't, I'm not part of the elite upper globalist class. My dad is a super conservative WASPY lawyer who bullies me for not being educated, believe me it's not that i don't want to go.

>>132191126
>Everyone agrees you need strong Regulation

Chicago School says no

Classical Liberal Economics says no

Supply Side School says no

NeoClassical says no

English Historical School says no

Austrian School says no

American School of Economics says no

Physiocrats said no

French Liberal School says no

How does it feel to be on par with Austrian School meme tier bullshit?

>>132188639
Andrew Carnegie, owner of U.S. Steel, funded a country-wide program to build libraries to help children be exposed to reading and hopefully writing. It's just good to donate money to charities, just donate to charities that you know/researched and are going to get shit done.

My town has one of his libraries that he funded, it's neat

>>132191594
>Well i mean like be a rich and powerful tycoon asshole elitist. That's what i mean, like the guys who sit around in top hats
Start your own business
No one gets there, even those with tons of inheritance, without work.
You think the rothchilds are gonna just turn over everything they control to the next in line because of blood? No, they spend their entire lives being carefully groomed and educated to do precisely that.
You get to be a tycoon by finding a market you are extremely good at, and providing a service better than others.
That's why real estate is the shit. You start low, and make money through savy buying and selling, and then by the time you're in your 50s, you're a tycoon
How old are you? It's relevant to gauge your experience level if you want more advice

>>132191734
>>132191835
uh, no, sweetie, EVERYTHING is automated, even the things that make automation is possible! don't you like, know, how robots work and everything?

please feed and entertain my dumb ass just for merely existing.

t. gommunist

>>132191594
I'm pretty socialism is fail their as well.

>>132188117
if you have talent and work hard you can climb the ladder,if you are a talentless fuck with a huge ego and think you are entitled to the good life then no...stfu and deal with it commie scum

>>132191925
Typical Capitalist mindset. Instead of looking to the system which causes these struggling communities to fail you blame the communities themselves. Your petty Bourgeois attitude is disgusting.

>>132191725
Except you can't "quit your job" you need food

>>132191734
So like 1% of the population has jobs

>>132191758
You'll never be elite

>>132191775
indeed

>>132191807
why are you giving up on yourself? why not try? why live off the profits of other people's labor? dont you know thats why it's so hard for people to get ahead in the first place?

>>132191999
What country do you live?

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>>132191807
>communist
>I want to be like the elite

>>132191616
We're about 200 years from that level of automation

>>132191594
>I can't apply communism since i don't live in a communist society

then why should we listen to you?

you could absolutely apply it if you were a true believer, in your own household and among your own family for instance. then in your own community. once you are willing to go that far only then can you truly speak to the effectiveness of communism.

of course the truth is you just like the way it sounds COMPARED TO CAPITALISM however in reality you have no clue how it works.

so why should we listen to you?

>>132188117
Communism is not immune to nepotism either. Communist or capitalist, knowing the right people is just as important as having skills or talents. Arguably more important, in fact.

>>132191759
Oh I see, the "not real communism" meme. But again, if you think that "real communism" can be achieved then you are immature or retarded, "real communism" is impossible to pull off because is intrinsically innatural to the human psyche, just get a job dumbass, is not that hard to progress as an individual in a capitalist economy, if in Mexico you can do it then in the US is easier

>>132191832
How will learning a trade make me rich, that's sterotypical proletariet

>>132191847
I didn't ""choose" to be a NEET, I would love to go to uni and become a lawyer

>>132191999
Don't feel bad comrade, your dad represents the system which is due to fall any day now. Focus on the bigger issues instead of the desires of the temporary slave.

>>132191925
>realistic goals
There you go, it's not realistic for us to be anything.

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>>132191683
Pretty sure they couldn't use child labour because they'd already eaten them

>>132192083
>you blame the communities themselves.
>hurr people shouldn't be responsible

>Your petty Bourgeois attitude is disgusting.
typical leaf mindset, your abhorrent posts are even more disgusting

132192064
I mean, I'm pretty sure socialism fails in Venezuela as well.

>>132191973
Wrong, in communism anyone can be rich but capitalism you are a born into claass

>>132192194
>it's not real capitalism, it's crony capitalism!

>>132188117
Wait, if there's no class mobility as you claim, but you have succeeded in moving downward in class from both your Father and Grandfather then doesn't your own existence disprove your premise?

>>132192084
>you'll never be elite
why the fuck does that matter? do you literally only care about material possessions?

>>132192213
Plus, modern universities only serve to ingrain a capitalist belief system. Marxists are a persucted minority on the modern campus.

>>132191807
>A business in what?
Literally anything
There are tons of tycoons
Energy tycoons, real estate tycoons, construction tycoons, shipping tycoons. My god, shipping is probably the biggest set of tycoons in the world.

>>132192243
>commies admit that realistically they're worthless incompetent losers with no realistic aspirations

who woulda fucking known lmao

>>132192084
>you cant "quit" your job you need food

You just have never been employed, you are a lazy person that want to take what is not yours and have someone enforce it by law because your low IQ cant make a few dollars to eat

>>132191398
First: It's spelt "bourgeoisie."
Secondly, the bourgeoisie is the affluent middle class- not people that "city around on golf courses all day smoking cigars, playing cards and being rich assholes." The middle class are the people who work -for- those people. They're the managers, the clerks, the secretaries and supervisors that make those businesses run. And becoming one of those people is very simple in a capitalist society. All you have to do is equip yourself with skills that are useful to the rich assholes, and then make yourself seem better than the other guy that's applying for the same position you are.

Read. Work out. Pay attention in your course of study. Make that course a worthwhile one. STEM or economics, with law and medicine being second-tier choices. Something that you can convert into a salary.

Alternately, if college isn't for you, that's fine, go to a trade school. Be a welder, collect certifications. Get certified to operate heavy machinery. Become a plumber. All you have to do is not be dumb labor.

>>132192317
What country do you live in?

>>132192304
Fucking idiot I hate leafland and the ingrained conservative, capitalist belief system. I am here to make money and influence opinion to see true enlightenment.

ITT: /leftypol/ continues to prove why Communism doesn't, and never will work

>>132192395
You serious, cannard?

>>132191999
You know why you think there's not class mobility?
It's because you're too stupid and wrapped up in your own failure as an element of your ideology to see opportunities and follow them. I made 10.50 an hour 5 years ago and in the month of june 2017 I made 20k. I was able to do this by keeping my options open and always looking for opportunities. When I found one I was ready to jump on it and it paid off. you can do the same if you quit reading marx and thinking about oppressed you are all the time.

>>132191807
>calls himself communist
>I WANT TO BE THE ELITE

At least you're not lying about that part. All communism does is create an ultra-elite of party members that do nothing but shoot dissidents and eat caviar, while the proletariat starve in the streets waiting for crumbs, all equally starved

>>132192213
Did I say you were a meet? And how about responding to my post instead of going off on a tangent. You sound like a young person who has lost their way, I truly hope you find the motivation to do something meaningful with your life someday. Please do not throw away your youth on the false hope of a commie paradise where everything is free. Capitalism works because it is the closest system to nature; survival of the fittest.

>>132192003
im not, im anti-free market

>>132192021
I'm 18 but im already too old to start getting rich since i fucked up highschool like an idiot

>>132192066
shut up scum

>>132192084
and assuming you're enforcing this with a government, thats at least 2% and guess who has more power and luxury? the robot cleaner, or the inner circle who write the laws?

>>132192213
>Dad owns a law firm
>Can't go to school
>Calls it uni
Wait... What country are you from?

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>>132192452
>be communist
>I am here to make money

alright, I laughed. That was hilarious.

>>132188117
>Think about it. We the proletariat are predestined to be who were are before birth just like how the bourgeois are predestined to be the scum they are.

This is the result of the National education association. This is the kind of brain dead thinking they have produced.

the real world is more corrupt than your utopian ideal? crazy.

>>132192395
Quality leaf post, I'm glad some of you still fly the maple

>>132191882
Can't have kids learning skills when they can be learning party doctrine

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>>132192016
Carnegie also experimented on the populace's school children and turned education into his personal factory training. Watch this you stupid nigger.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-aEtJVVdk Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt served as the head of policy at the Department of Education during the first administration of Ronald Reagan. Exclusive interview with Iserbyt breaks down how conditioning/training under a corporate agenda has replaced traditional education, leading to a deliberate dumbing down of Americans. Iserbyt further explains how Reagan signed agreements merging the U.S. and Soviet systems under the United Nations banner, turning over education and many other areas of public policy to global control.

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>>132188117
>not doing auto repair and paint, earning $41k a year at agr 20 and start earning $61k a year by age 31
>not living with grandma to have an extremely low cost of living the whole time
>not saving drastically for ten years
>not retiring at age 31
>not inheriting property
No thanks for mandatory sharing and equality of outcome babe. I'm don't need it slick.

>>132192086
I don't want to live off the profits of others labours, i am anti-capitalist

>why are you giving up on yourself
I fucked up my life really really bad

>>132192133
United States, more specifically Vermont

>>132192178
Because i am objectivily right

>>132192444
obviously american university. on campus.

>>132192370
Thats all they care for, western commies are either poor low iq faggs thats cant make it trough life or rich spoiled low iq faggs that are afraid they will lose all their commodities cause they are to retarded to succeed

Communism equates to the entire country and your life being operated like your local motor vehicles administration

>>132192519
Comrade don't listen to these idiots! They are brainwashed and their is no hope for them other than a Mosin round! They will never learn!

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>>132192495
*neet

>>132192541
I'm from America, Vermont

>>132192317
Delusion at its finnest

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>>132192519
>

>>132192688
Town? Area code? Address?

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>>132192623
Oh, OH SHIT

>>132192317
Rich means having alot of money,
And in communism, you don't have money.
So I'm pretty sure you're the dumbass here.

>>132192629
>US
Then why is your English so poor?

>>132192553
I only here to make money because my parents made me. I would much rather use my degrees to correct the terrible course my home country is on!

>>132192519
>believes highschool grades reflect anything important
oh, anon

>>132192304
You're disgusting

>>132192308
Capitalism failed in venezeula

>>132192363
You can go down but not up

>>132192370
NO! I don't give a rats ass about matieal possessions i just want to be elite! I could live in medievil scotland like Macbeth where even the king had nothing, i just want control and power and privilege and respect and admiration.

>>132192629
>Because i am objectivily right

so you have nothing then

>>132192194
>"not real communism"
Let me break it down for you.

Capitalism > Socialism > Communism. These are the steps we have to follow

We have had the first two but not the third. Unless you can find me a country which established a classless, moneyless, stateless, society.

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>>132188117
Someone is not familiar with the USSR, DPRK, PRC, DPRC, Vietnam, Khmer Rouge, Cuba, or Venezuela.

Did I leave any out, anons?

>>132192766
because American public schools are laughable day care centres designed to create a population of consumerist whores for the corporations to abuse

>>132192730
Maybe when they realize they can't afford much.

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>>132188117
>No nepotism
Hi, my uncle is the head of the secret police, can I get a job?

>>132188117
Thank you for this thread. I haven't had a laugh that hardy in weeks.

>>132188117
Capitalism is the economic system that defines class mobility through your own hard work. Marxist-based economies don't allow for any mobility at all unless you prove valuable to the party. Meritism is also promoted far more via the free-market than a bureaucrat filling a quota. Most of the silver spoons manage to keep or increase worth, proving they are worthy. Those who aren't worthy of their position usually lose all their money. Fuck off.

nice try retard. most millionaires are self made. look up the statistics

>>132192409
How could i become a tycoon in real estate?

>>132192423
I'm not a loser, i drive a freaking BMW and have lots of friends and party. Problem is im not fucking eisntien

>>132192431
Well not my fault

>>132192435
>Secondly, the bourgeoisie is the affluent middle class- not people that "city around on golf courses all day smoking cigars, playing cards and being rich assholes." The middle class are the people who work -for- those people. They're the managers, the clerks, the secretaries and supervisors that make those businesses run. And becoming one of those people is very simple in a capitalist society. All you have to do is equip yourself with skills that are useful to the rich assholes, and then make yourself seem better than the other guy that's applying for the same position you are.
WRONG! My dad literally runs a law firm and makes 400K a year. We are still proletariet since we do not OWN the means of production, we work on it, we are simple above average paid SLAVES. Until we own the means of production we are SLAVES

>Read. Work out. Pay attention in your course of study. Make that course a worthwhile one. STEM or economics, with law and medicine being second-tier choices. Something that you can convert into a salary.
I just fucking explained. I can't get into college/university since i am not one of them, by them i mean elite globalist scum who rule our planet and own the stock market. Only a Bush can get into Harvard off privlege.

>>132192856
Large swathes of Africa, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia (ended in genocidal warfare dontchaknow), Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Romania, Albania, probably a couple more.

Commuinism has been attempted so often it's funny, since every single time it's failed, often with local world ending results

>>132191211

If you concede that not everyone is equal, but want to destroy hierarchies that are the natural result of these inequalities and reduce all people to the same living standards (which is the goal of communism, any communist "intellectual" will tell you as much), aren't you basically just being evil and destructive? Communists typically say there are no meaningful biological differences between people so all differences come from pre-existing power structures and socialization, therefore communism levels the playing field. But what you're saying is some people are geniuses and some people are dumbasses, but you want to destroy the value structure that makes geniuses more important than dumbasses by putting both of them to work in a factory for a pittance and having them live in collectivized housing?

>>132188117
An Anti-Nepotism law might be a wothwhile idea in and off itself. But why do you need a socialist economy to make it work?

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>>132192844
THE COMMUNE PARIS IDIOT! Also Venezuela too before disgusting American imperialists destroyed it the bastards! Chavez gave his people fridges, phones and microwaves and increased standard of living. In all the examples pigs use to justify their failed belief system true communism was never achieved!!!!

>>132192863
But you agree his English sucks? I'm not the only one that picked up on that right?

>>132192519
>I'm 18 but im already too old to start getting rich since i fucked up highschool like an idiot
Nah man.
Most people who get rich don't start making money until they're twice your age.
High school is less important than ever.
Here's a straight forward path if you have the drive for it
Learn coding. You can do it on your own, no school.
Use your coding skills to create software that fills a market gap.
Form a company foe the purpose of selling and further development of the software.
Become a millionaire by the time you're 35
Spend the next decade using you millions to invest in other business
Turn a million into hundreds of millions.

Software development is hands down the best way to get rich without an education.

>>132188117
>Capitalism has no class mobility.
>For example my grandfather was a lawyer, my dad is a lawyer, and i was pushed into becoming one since age 3 but it doesn't look i will end up able to be one.
This is too obviously retarded to not be a shitpost.

Look up the word "subtlety," then try again. Sage.

>>132191999
>They became trillionaires by hard work?
My great grandfather became millionaire with no education, coming from a family of peasants. Just hard work and intelligence.

>>132192629
so what if you fucked up. start over. get a new identity if you need to. it's not as hard as you think to start over. it's especially easy if you have nothing to loose.

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>>132193013
>I'm not a loser, i drive a freaking BMW and have lots of friends and party.
Found your FB

>>132192844
>name one country that achieved something impossible
Get a job you lazy motherfucker, stoo LARPing about being a commie and do something, communism will never exist, is just an idea to sell, go out and see the world by yourself

>>132192800
>be communist
>a system where people are forced to do things by the state
>commie whines about being forced to do stuff

o i am laffin

>I would much rather use my degrees to correct the terrible course my home country is on!
yeah, you can donate your degree as toilet paper, I'm sure they will appreciate it

>>132192807
and you're pathetic. Shared your thread with a few mates so we can all laugh at you on discord, you're a living joke

>>132192475
>i was able to go from slave to slightly paid more slave by working hard
HAHAHAHA You are proletariet as well!

>>132192730
Ummm i'd love that if ithat was all free, but unfortunantly you have to pay for it

>>132192806
My dad said since i fucked up in school, i can't get into university.

>>132193039
Fuck Soviet Union was not full communist and even so they drastically increased the quality of life and took a backwards, feudal society to space! Just imagine what they could have achieved if true Communism was achieved!

>>132192553
The only reason im a communist is i want more money

>>132193047
Most people's English has massively suffered due to the advent of grammar and spellcheck software. I am not immune to this myself.

>>132193013
>I'm not a loser, i drive a freaking BMW and have lots of friends and party.

whoa there buckaroo, did you just say you have a BMW? a luxury CAPITALIST product? lmfao

>Problem is im not fucking eisntien
that's a personal problem kid, try posting that on your blog where it belongs

>>132192688
Oh, so first and foremost, everything Bernie says is wrong.
Like, he's not lying, he's legitimately confusing what is communism and what is capitalism. He also blames wealthy like the waltons, ignoring that inherited money has no bearing on salary. He also can't add. None of the bills he proposed has correct math.

>>132188117
If you believe this shit you are a moron.

>>132193181
See >>132192659

You are just dumb, talentless and full of envy, you just want what other people has worked for and you want it with no effort, get a fucking job lazy bastard

>>132193143
Look at these pathetic slaves delighting in their poverty! They work entire hard lives only to fill the spiritual and political gap with material goods. I don't try and I still make million, you too comrade will be on top when capitalism inevitably fails!

>>132192626
I already have all the money in the world my dad has a trust fund for me if i don't have to work i don't want to and could still live a good life. PRoblem is I want to rule i want to be elite i want to be the establishment

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>>132193181
>The only reason im a communist is i want more money

truly words of wisdom from a communist

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>>132193143
>free

>>132193046
"Perhaps you will point to the Paris Commune; but apart from the fact that this was merely the rising of a town under exceptional conditions, the majority of the Commune was in no sense socialist, nor could it be. With a small amount of sound common sense, however, they could have reached a compromise with Versailles useful to the whole mass of the people -- the only thing that could be reached at the time."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1881/letters/81_02_22.htm

>Also Venezuela too
You seem confused

>>132192749
I want to be an inner party member

>>132192766
Because the comments are coming in at like 3/second and i have to type ultra-fast to respond to them all

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>>132189404
Is that milo in the middle of that boat? I mean, i know the fall from grace has been rough and its got to be challenging but going down on boat people is no way to advance the cause. Just sayin....

>>132192856
I am, all examples of failure capitalism

>>132193143
>My dad said since i fucked up in school, i can't get into university
why do you need university? you have the internet! you can learn whatever you want! plus there are tons of ways to repair your gpa if that is really where you want to go with your life.

>>132192901
A lot of African countries claimed to be Marxist-Leninist to get aid from the Soviet Union while not being Marxist-Leninist in practice.

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>>132188117
>but it doesn't look i will end up able to be one
thinks class mobility doesn't exist because you were too stupid to follow in your family's footsteps to become a lawyer

>proved capitalism wrong everybody, we can go home now

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>>132188117
Google "Bill Gates."
I'll wait.

>>132192807
>Capitalism failed in venezeula
My dad used to work in venezuela (oil)
The government literally had workers making sure only gov approved people entered the oil companys office.
How is that level of control capitalism?
You can argue it's not true communism, sure, but it's no where near capitalism.

>>132193388
Why do you retards still reply to this faggot? Its an obvious and shitty troll, every thread he makes he says the same thing and LARPs as the most privileged and wealthy shitstain, trying to bait replies that point this out. ITS A TROLL. SAGE AND DONT REPLY.

Can't this communist dumbass get over it?

>>132193388
You will be the establishment soon comrade, use material goods to build a revolution. Trust me, look to the north soon and you will see what a small number of high-iq, dedicated and driven group of Comrades can achieve politically ahahaha I can't fucking wait!!!! I promise you will delight in what we achieve my friend, you will be in the elite, we all will!

>>132193047
I got a 91% in English last year i think im good actually

>>132192868
THIS

>>132192931
>dues vult cringe flag
Good laugh

>>132192953
Wrong. Free markets make it so you inherit your wealth or you stay poor

>>132193565
Youre right, im out of here

>>132193128
>communism will never exist
Your previous post of "not real communism" seems to imply different

>>132193020
>large swathes of Africa
AFAIK it was just Ethiopia, Somalia, Mozambique, Burkina Faso, and (very briefly) the Congo.
Funnily enough, the real disasters actually came after the collapse of communism in a lot of the countries you listed.

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>>132188117

Don't you DARE abuse the word "meritocracy," you fucking communist piece of crap! Firstly, the words "Class Mobility" that you used there should actually be written as "class immobility," which is the problem you're actually complaining about. Secondly, "class immobility" is precisely WHY communism fails on its face! As a communist, you allow everything to be taken from you in exchange for the promise of equality, and everyone becomes poor. Because there can be no private ownership in a "true" communism, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE POOR IN A COMMUNISTIC SOCIETY! Au contraire, in capitalism, you at least have some class mobility outside what you inherit, which is precisely how the Bush family, the Rockerfellers and Rothschilds became wealthy in the first place. Are you fucking retarded? Of course you are, that's why you're a communist instead of a meritocrat, and why you couldn't even understand this basic truth in the first place!

>>132193550
Ahahaha I love when imperialists admit their disgusting, exploitative nature without having to interrogate them.

>My dad used to work in venezuela (oil)

When will you porks learn that you are the problem! You take the resources of a beautiful, peaceful communism paradise and ruin it, you disgust me.

>>132193023
I want a natural heiarchy but one where A. I'm on top and B. One based on merit.

I want a system where geniuses can rise to where they belong but in capitalism all the smart people are jammed in factories and made slaves

>>132193034
In capitalism you have inhertiance, inheriently neopotistical

>>132193059
I'm 18, don't you have to have a young mind to learn coding like learning a language, i couldn't learn spanish how could i learn code?

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>>132192807
>You can go down but not up
But that's bullshit, I myself came from a lower class family and have moved myself up because I understand how to plan ahead and move my life forward in responsible ways.
Also you simply moved the goalpost when I pointed at your own personal failure, motivated people move up and you simply think that you deserve to be in charge even though you've never put in the effort and have no claim to the power your corrupt mind vies for.

>Capitalism failed in venezeula
THEY LITERALLY SEIZED THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

>>132192844
Tribal Africa is realized Communism even if the gommies will never admit it.

>>132193707
That's what I was saying though, communist policies basically drove the countries into the ground, which then completely collapsed shortly after the fall of the government for whatever reason

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>>132193743
LONG WORDS for an imperialist being offended at facts I see! Ahahaha I swear to god I'm smoking cigar right now plotting about the day I will use pest control on you snake fucks!

>>132193073
You're obviously trolling, too retarded

>>132193087
Explain

>>132193088
Because i can't re-do highshool, GEDs aren't taken seriously by any prestegious university

>>132198630
Dude, communism sucks, amid it.

>>132188117

Don't you have a South American country to ruin or something

>>132193287
>whoa there buckaroo, did you just say you have a BMW? a luxury CAPITALIST product? lmfao
Bro, I want to be an inner party member where I could have Yachts.

>>132193013
>How could i become a tycoon in real estate?
You start by becoming a realtor. It allows you to learn the ropes about property values, buying and selling, etc, while working for a company before you strike out on your own, with hard saved money, and start buying properties. After awhile of buying, and renovating properties, you'll understand enough to start getting contracts for real estate bids, the big money, and use that to create your own properties, a la trump.
Small business loans are fairly easy for anyone with steady revenue in 6 figures for 5 years, and they start at 1 million, so it's pretty easy to expand after you do real estate on your own for a bit.

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>>132192156
The technology for sentient robots exists today, just no one has figured out how to program the processors yet.

>>132188117
You don't solve class mobility by getting rid of the concept of class.

>>132191393
Communism is all about relativism. If everyone's born poor and hungry, then everyone is relatively wealthy! :D
>communists

Capitalism is the evolution of the mercantile class. If you can contribute something of worth to society you make more money and move up. If you do nothing but unskilled work, or no work at all, you stay where you are. Simple, easy, best economic system tried. Just keep a mindful eye on cronyism/corruption (which happens in every system) and keep consumerism in check and you're good to go.

>>132193324
Oh come on. If the Waltons didn't inherit money they wouldn't be rich, they all inherited money from the first Walton.

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>>132188117
This is bad because....? Seems like a lack of argument.

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>>132193947
top fucking kek, a Yacht of the People, you simply cannot make this shit up

>>132193793

> but in capitalism all the smart people are jammed in factories and made slaves

The fuck are you on about? Do you think the people making a killing off the stock market and currency speculation are 65 IQ niggers? Do you think your average construction worker has an IQ of 150? What sort of whacky tobbaccy are you huffing on you retarded faggot?

Learn the difference between capitalism and corporatism, dumbass.

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>>132188117
>Capitalism has no class mobility
What the fuck

This is the exact opposite of reality. Capitalism has more class mobility than probably any other system.
The US literally creates 1000 millionaires a day, and plenty of people are going the other direction too.

>>132194116
nice gif lad

>>132193381
Capitalists take what others work for

>>132193565
You're a really shitty troll, enjoy your ban bro

>>132193394
What's wrong with that? They want to keep the statue running

>>132193513
I can learn whatever I want true, but i need a fancy degree to do anything.

>>132194002
You know my family had tie to pinochet and half the people he threw were chicago boy faggots!

>>132193505
No, I meant as examples of communist governments that immediately became caste systems with zero social mobility.

North Korea is an especially egregious case of how communism destroys social mobility as a direct byproduct of the revolution. Social mobility is a product of democracy and economics has surprisingly little effect on it.

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>>132193929
That's capitalism's job

>>132193526
He was born rich

>>132194174
You too

>>132193770
?
It was Venezuelas oil
He was helping them find it.

>>132194159
>1000 Millionaires a day
Is this what imperialists seriously believe?!?!
I can't believe society ever fell for this fucking meme.

>no matter what system is in place... corruption and nepotism always permeate at the top of the food chain...survival of the fittest and smartest is natures law...time to swallow the red pill kid.

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>>132194184
>What's wrong with that? They want to keep the statue running

the irony is lost on you, comrade

>>132194208
>at the absolute worst 50,000 gone
>meanwhile in Venezuela millions are starving in the streets

>>132194184
kek, enjoy my "ban". Kill yourself faggot. You arent even good at this. You can keep amusing yourself with the baited newfags for a while, but it wont last. Eventually more people will realize you are just a shit-tier troll. It is BLATANTLY OBVIOUS.

>>132194103
The dudes on the stock market actually inhertied their stock money from their daddys. Watch this scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0lByEmGkkU

>these assholes i bust, most of them their fathers were assholes and their fathers before them, a whole stock market family.

>>132194274
YES TO USE AGAINST STATE HE HELPED KILL THE MAN KNOW AS CHAVEZ BUT I KNOW HIM HE WAS A FUCKING SNAKE

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>>132194208
A government supporting dictators =/= an system of economics that supports private property and free markets.

Are you retarded?

>>132194109
>It wasn't real capitalism!

>>132193388
Hva faen jævla? Oh.... Du elsker svart innvandrere dritt og du er konge av landet av sorgen og dod riket. Ikke forskjellet for alt tid.....

>>132194388

>what is inflation
>implying a million dollars means anything

>>132194305
Sorry but there is nowhere in the communist manfiesto that says you can't make a bit of cash if it's for a good cause. I'm sure Marx would approve if it was for his legacy

>>132194388
Nice source hog 中國人的耐心有限

>>132193793
>I'm 18, don't you have to have a young mind to learn coding like learning a language, i couldn't learn spanish how could i learn code?
No, coding is easier the older you get.
Coding is 90% logic, 10% language
Also, older people learn languages all the time. I'm learning Japanese while improving my French, and I'm twice your age.
Children have an easier time learning two languages AT the same time, but that's not the same as language as a whole.

Also, you're 18.
Your brain develops until 24

>>132194332
Due to capitalism

>>132194346
You're a super bad troll, a shit-tier troll like the mexican guy

>>132194477
THIS! A million dollars today is PROLETARIET

>>132194477
If you are seriously trying to argue there is no class mobility in the US or in any capitalist system, you are totally fucked in the head. All data says otherwise
>>132194544
Source is Fortune.com
http://fortune.com/2016/11/22/us-millionaire-wealth-inequality/

>>132194435
>A government supporting dictators =/= an system of economics that supports private property and free markets.
The question to ask here is "why" Why support these dictators? Hmmm, it's a mystery

>>132194305
>an entire war has been fought against socialism
>people still trust western sources
Blisteringly retarded.

>>132194435

The US government is the official representing force of moneyed interests. In an AnCap system it would be exactly the same, but instead of having a government to do it for you you just do it yourself.

>>132194371

IQ is heritable, what a surprise. If the kids were dumb they'd mismanage the finances they inherited and run their companies or personal assets into the dirt, as has happened in the past with wealthy dynasties.

>>132188117
>no class mobility

1). Communism isn't the way to increase class mobility (you can't be class mobile if everyone is the same class) 2). Who cares? Your life is substantially better due to capitalism. It's lifted our species out of poverty and given us levels of prosperity never seen before in human history. Even a person who "barely gets by" lives better than the kings and queens of medieval Europe (indoor plumbing, easy heating, cheap clothing, cell phones, television). So what if the people on the bottom have trouble moving higher? Only so many people can be on the top. What matters is that the people who get to the top get there because they innovate and make people's lives better (Bill Gates) or lend others money to innovate and make people's lives better (Rockefellers and Warren Buffett).

Tl;dr The people at the top allow you to shitpost on 4chan rather than spending your entire pathetic existence plowing fields

>>132194549
I'm going to be 19 soon, so what do you recommend? At 19 i can code? How do i learn it? Some online course?

>>132193955
That's not automation
Automation by default cannot be sentient, or even true AI.

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>>132193998
Damn Worst Korea, haven't seen your flag for a while nigga.

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>>132193013
So you literally live off your parents money, have failed to even do as well as your ancestry and just because you can still suck on your mothers teet for money you think that you aren't a loser?
If only the power was in your capable hands everything would be solved right?

>>132194600
Hahahah the name of the website itself gives away it's clear imperialist and capitalist bias. GTFO 骯髒的反改性者

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>>132193895

It isn't your so-called "facts" (see: misinformed opinons) that offend me, but the mere matter of your mentally-deranged existence. You nihilistic vampires have spent so long living in society that you've forgotten what it means to work intelligently as well as hard, as opposed to merely performing "fruitless labor" for other people with more money than you. That's what it means to be a meritocrat: To strike out on your own and prove yourself, thereby elevating yourself as a person, as well as financially.

You can burn up in the sunlight and fuck right off to the afterlife for all I care, Dracula. The day will soon come when incompetent fools like you that continually try to defy the natural order will once again succumb to it, and furthermore, it will be your own doing. May that day come swiftly, Emeritus Excelsior.

>>132194585
>Due to capitalism
Fixed food prices so low that it's impossible to sustain a farm selling your corn for 10% of what it costs to grow is because of capitalism?

>>132193801
Actually, a lot of those regimes increased living conditions greatly. For example, Albania was a war-ravaged peasant society stuck in literal feudalism and tribal warfare in 1945. Within a matter of years, illiteracy was virtually eradicated, railroads, bridges, and roads were built, education and healthcare became widespread, heavy industry developed for the first time, the country became largely self-sufficient, and life expectancy increased by decades. It was still one of the poorest countries in Europe, but had developed by leaps and bounds since 1945. The real disaster for Albania came in the 1990s, when communism collapsed and the new capitalist order was unable to effectively govern. The country gained its current notoriety for corruption at this time, and billions of dollars were lost in pyramid schemes, leading to a literal civil war in 1997.

>>132193999
The point is that them being rich has no impact on the worker salaries.
They're not taking money that would go to the workers. Ceos can be accused of that, but not people who inherit money.

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>>132194463
No need for the "not true socialism" meme. We have had examples of capitalism working very well.

We still have not had an example of socialism working more then a decade or so, and that's using the term "working" very loosely.

>>132194745
So are you alleging that this is an incorrect number? Do you have any data or sources to prove this?

>>132194797
So what you're saying that the power hungry middle tier managers used the collapse of the socialist government to concentrate their power to such an extent the entire country degenerated into civil war?

>>132194658
>Even a person who "barely gets by" lives better than the kings and queens of medieval Europe (indoor plumbing, easy heating, cheap clothing, cell phones, television)
Bullshit bro. I have a swimming pool, I drive a BMW, I have an iphone, 3 TVs, I have an amazing computer and any food i want. Guess what, my life is still shit since it's about STATUS and HONOUR not mateiralism. I don't just want material stuff i want power. I want the ability to make laws and stuff. THat's why i envy the capitalists, they have power.

>>132194184
>Capitalists
There's that word again
Define it

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>>132194797
wew lad

>>132194776
Are you retarded? I'm here to inside the mind of the deranged imperialist. The hardest workers in society are those of Communist countries. Although yes, I'm currently residing in Canada, I work hard and head petroleum engineering project, event though I hate country I still work hard because that is what comes naturally to the communist man (and woman)

>>132194745
That's because socialism/Marxism is so much of a failure that it hasn't even produce a well known news outlet.