Christianity General! Imperfect Anons Edition

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For those lurking, here's a link to a free online bible PDF for you to read if you're interested. I personally recommend starting in the book of Matthew (first book of the new testament)

http://www.worldhistory.biz/download567/The_Orthodox_Study_Bible_-_St.pdf

Alternatively if you would like a hard copy, I've been quite pleased with this one thats cheap (~$9!) on Amazon. Its the NIV bible edition, so its written in modern english - unlike the KJV which is like reading shakespere. I feel that the KJV is best for in depth study, but the NIV is MUCH easier to comprehend if you're reading it for the first time:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310411009/
ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>132179131
Hello, orthobro. I barely knew you guys existed until I moved to a place where there are lots of orthodox churches and started wondering what in the heck they were.

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>>132179131
Yay, a daily shitpost thread.

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Often in these threads, anons post concerns about whether or not they're "Good Enough" to be a Christian, they see the opportunity to have a meaningful relationship with God almighty, they see the comfy church life and fellowship, and they think to themselves:

"I'm not worthy of that, I'm just a/an ____________. They wouldnt like me, I do/did____________!"

Well dont worry my friends, none of us are perfect. We all have our demons yet god loves us anyway. Consider this passage:

"As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him. While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the (((Pharisees))) saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” -Matthew Chapter 9

We dont claim to be perfect, we're just normal people and I want to make this claim to everyone out there; if you're interested in learning about God, or the church at all, feel free to stop by. I've been through churches of many denominations yet they all have something in common. There are ALWAYS welcoming people there who will be happy to show you around, talk with you, and usually offer you some literature about the church/denomination. You're welcome anytime.

This is something which is great about the Christian faith, we dont claim to be perfect. One of the prayers offered every week at my church begins "I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ the son of the living God who camest into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first. Therefore I pray thee, have mercy upon me and forgive my transgressions..."

>>132179451
Hello there! Yes, we're everywhere. Fun fact, there is but one Orthodox church worldwide, the "name" in front of it (eg. Russian Orthodox) spesifies only the local culture and possibly language of the church.

For instance there is a Greek Orthodox church near me (American South), where they say many of the same prayers as at my Orthodox church, however they say them in Greek. The food is a little different, and some of the traditions are a little different. But the beliefs are one in the same :)

>>132179581
I spent about a decade of my life as an Atheist, and a fairly militant one at that. I dont hold it against you personally, I've been down that path and remember it well. I'll pray that you find peace in the lord one day (I know, I know, not interested, right?!?). You'll see one day, and when you do, the offer in >>132180147 post is open to you as well, my neighbor in this fallen world.

>>132180807
Yeah, it was all the different names they had that got me curious, which I suppose is a bit ironic considering I couldn't tell you what all the different branches from the western half of the roman split are.

But it was pretty neat when one time I listened to an orthodox service on jewtube and it wasn't far off to setting an RC mass to music. Good people, too, that attend.

I like Christianity itself, but I don't think I could get involved in it, I was in a youth group for a year and just never got along with the other kids

>>132181758
There's quite a variety of interpretation, and certainly no shortage of people who decide that the personal aspect it the key bit rather than joining an organization.

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>>132181287
Yes, there is some GOOD Orthodox content on there, but I wish there was more honestly.

The interesting thing about the church that I go to, is that the congregation is largely made up of converts. We have lots of Catholics, Protestants, and several handfuls of former Atheists (like yours truly) and even some folks who used to practice witchcraft. Its amazing how many folks, from what backgrounds end up in Church.

Have you ever stopped by for a service? You're welcome any time, of course...

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Is that ACTUALLY Christ-chan though?

>>132182394
No, my family is all Roman Catholic and it's part of what keeps us together as a family. That's more important to me than if one sect is more technically correct than a different one. I've seen a lot of people wind up with a growing rift over two different religions or just revert to some variation on aimless atheism as the best middle ground they can find.

But I don't blame the converts. I hear about more and more people defecting because they just can't in good conscience associate themselves with the Vatican.

>>132181758
Its up to you, my friend. You do have an "out" which you can use as your justification to abstain from God almighty. But why?

The Lord loves you anon, he has promised to be with us always, until the end of the age. Why let whatever some kids did to you years ago keep you from a relationship with him?

I'll let you in on something. I've said in these threads before that I spent roughy a decade living the Atheist life, but I've never said why. My Dad was an ordained Protestant minister, and lets just say... Things werent perfect between us. It was this, which lead me to turn away from the church at a young age.

I came back.

I hope that you will too. If theres anything that I can talk with you about, I'd be happy to. I pray that you'll be able to move past your childhood, I know what thats like, it took me years to do so myself.

>>132182902
Yes, I feel bad for many converts, they did everything right, ya know?!? They were brought up in the church, they attended for years, they gave to it, they lived happy, wholesome lives with loving marriages, and then all of a sudden heres a man kissing Muslim feet and preaching degeneracy.

This isnt the fault of the average Catholic believer, they didnt ask for any of this!

I've heard stories from some of the converts in my church, they're told they're going to hell if they join another denomination, etc, etc.

What a rough ride for undeserving folks...

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desu vult, brothers

>>132184090
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>>132183988
Can't let 88 go unchecked.
>they're told they're going to hell if they join another denomination
A guy like that almost married in to my family and really probably should have because he was a legitimately decent guy even if he didn't want anything to do with religion.

But some people just can't even put up with spending a few hours a year being bored in church for major holidays to keep their potential wifes happy. So maybe it was for the best he noped out.

Not gonna lie I've been more and more interested in going to church lately, but I don't know if you can just walk in, or how that works

>>132180147
>One of the prayers offered every week at my church begins "I believe, O Lord, and I confess that Thou art truly the Christ the son of the living God who camest into the world to save sinners, of whom I am first."
Huh. It was actually the pervasive overtone of self-loathing that turned my sister off of Christianity in the first place and ended in her leaving the church.

>>132182951
I see what you are saying. I was never bullied or anything, I just saw them as hypocrites who came to church hungover and smoked on retreats.

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High Anglican reporting in

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Catholicism here! Deus Vult!

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>>132184732
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>>132184872

Yes of course you can just walk in. Every Church has an open door. Communion is the only thing you have to worry about.

Protestants: Generally anyone can take communion, sometimes non-baptized Christians are allowed to come up as well.

Orthodox/Catholics: No communion without confirmation into the Church

Non-Denom, Congregationalists and non-Christians like Unitarians: Probably only do communion once a month or never. They let anyone come up.

>>132184872
The orthodox have told me I can pretty much just go in but I shouldn't do something or other beforehand, but I've never tried it and couldn't tell you. It's kind of an awkward proposition even though I guess it shouldn't be.

What I can tell you is that you're more than welcome to stop in to a roman catholic church any time the doors are open, whether it's for a mass or just because you want some quiet time or to see what it's like inside. A lot of them are so robotic half the time nobody would guess you're not a regular, and the instructions are printed in books in the pews. The only official rule is you're not supposed to take communion.

>>132179131
>white people following a jewish religion
Is it possible to be a bigger cuck than this?

still trying to find out where i stand with christianity

i grew up with christianity but i always have viewed it in as an authoritarian religion

but through reading the bible and scholars i realized it isn't but all the churches i have been to still go with the authoritarian view of it

>>132184760
Eh, I sincerely hope and pray that everyone finds the love of the Lord at some point in their life, but when I was an Atheist, someone said to me "Dont write it off, man... Maybe you're just not ready for it, yet".

Maybe I wasnt...

Maybe he isnt either... Lord only, knows...

>>132184872
One of the nicest things about Church, speaking of my personal experience joining it after a long stay, was how nice, and genuine and welcoming that people are, and I have no doubt that you could find that also!

I decided (on pol, of course) that I would be joining an Orthodox church. So, I bought an Orthodox study bible, and started to read it. After a week or three, I decided I was ready to visit, and all I needed was a google search of "Orthodox Church Near Anonsville" which brought up several. I chose one, showed up, and the greeters there met with me, welcomed me, gave me some free literature and showed me around. I was lucky, I even got to meet the preist before the service (normally hes running around like a madman getting things ready, haha). They were great. I stayed for 2-3 hours afterward talking with folks. I've been back almost every week since!

Reference this post >>132180147 which sort of elaborates on visiting.

Do you have any particular concerns? I'd be happy to help you in any way that I can. I pray for you.

And remember... No matter how much you read about what its like to go swimming, eventually you need to step into the water.

>>132184949
I'm sorry to hear that, anon. Having been a former member of a church where everyone pretends to be perfect, and more prefect than you, I'd take what you consider "Self-Loathing". Although I dont think of it as such, another verse is "And may the whole day be perfect, peaceful and sinless...."

We acknoledge that everyone sins, we dont dwell on it. We try our best.

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>>132184090
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>>132185893
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What's your attitudes towards sex?
Do you consciously have a desire for sex that you have to ignore and suppress to avoid sinning, or do you just not have a desire for sex in the first place?

>>132185996

I have a strong desire for sex. Before I became a Christian I had it once or twice. My girlfriend and I are waiting for marriage though. It takes work for me to fight against the urge though. It's our nature so I'm not worried about the temptation itself, more-so that I do my best to follow the laws of the bible.

>>132185996
Sex is a good, and even holy, thing. In fact, it's an integral part of the Sacrament of Marriage, just as water is to baptism and Bread and Wine are to the Eucharist.

Staying chaste is not easy. None of us will ever say that. I'd be lying if I said I never fapped or looked at porn before.

But with God, all things are possible. If you fall, you repent and pick yourself back up again.

>>132185996
I have an intense desire for sex, I lust after girls all the time, and I jerk off like a madman. I also fucked up and should have gotten a wife when I was young instead of thinking it was somehow immoral to go against nature and God's creation.

Marriage is objectively preferable and in my opinion required if you're going to make a baby. But I'm not going to be the one to throw stones if you messed around first like most people do. That's not adultury.

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>>132185023
Ah yes... Free will is a gift from above, but unfortunately we all make poor choices with it from time to time.

Regardless, a relationship with God and all the good things that come with it (The Lord's love, guidence, direction in life, and fellowship within the church, just to name a few) are a wonderful thing. I sincerely hope that you wont let some teenagers years ago keep you from this amazing gift that we are all offered.

>>132185097
>>132185135

Greetings, Brothers! I only ask that we not rail on other denominations too much... I believe all pious Christians need to stand together in the face of (((their))) degenerate onslaught and the blessings from the religion of peace...

How are you all doing, today?!?

>>132185468
I'm not aware of anything that a visitor shouldnt do before visiting my (Orthodox) church, but heres another idea. Many/most churches have a functional website with email addresses... We've had a number of folks email the church before they show up, normally a day to a week beforehand. This way, the greeters will be looking for you, and expecting you. Normally they'll offer a tour and answer any questions that you might have. With or without doing this, you're welcome in, of course, but some folks perfer to. I wish you the best!

>>132185561
>Christianity
>Cuckhold Religion

Pic is very related

>>132186779
How did you get on /pol/? Just curious

>>132186779

>I only ask that we not rail on other denominations too much

Don't worry I actually don't give a shit what denomination anyone is in here. All Christians are welcome at an Anglican service and can take communion with us. If you believe that Jesus is the Christ than you are all right with me.

>>132186587
>But I'm not going to be the one to throw stones if you messed around first like most people do. That's not adultury.
doesn't it come under lust?

What separates sinful lust from lawful sexual interactions? Just the context of marriage?

>>132179131
So is only one form of Christianity right or when all us Jesus-believing folk die we each get our own part of Heaven?

>>132187365
One view is correct and what occurs to others depends on the view that is correct.

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>>132186779
Christianity is 100% a cuck religion, it should be referred to as cuckstranity. It is a slave morality based fiction that only spreads guilt for being human.

It essentially promotes the mediocre and weak while trying to suppress the strong and superior. Religion's place in society evaporated after the industrial revolution, and it isn't coming back.

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>>132186969
Haha, its a funny story. I once liked a page on Normiebook called "Operator Operating Opperationally" Or something, which was run by some guy on /k/. I thought the memes were amazing and I already loved firearms, and eventually I discovered where they were coming from.

It was my first experience with 4Chan, I'd never been on before, but I landed on /k/ and was hooked. After about a year as a /k/ommando, I started hearing about /pol/ on there, and stopped in.

At first, as a bluepilled normie with an interest in firearms and dank memes I was completely and totally, 100% repulsed by this place.

At the time I was completely against anti-semitism, was libertarian, etc, etc.

Over the next year or so, I became brutally redpilled (thanks again bros) and split my time between here and /k/. I'd often sit down at the computer after a day of work, check here for happenings, then browse through a /k/ horrors of war thread while eating dinner and relaxing.

Anyway, last fall I stumbled into Christianity threads here and in November or so, I visited an Orthodox church for the first time ever.

Its been quite a journey. How bout you guys?

>>132187194
Yeah it's lust. I would refer you to Jesus's sermon on the mount.

And if you think God thought up the 10 most important commandments for Moses, one of them is that thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife (which I would say is quite a good deal worse than simply drooling over an unmarried girl.)

You're really not supposed to have sex outside of marriage. But if you don't even bother caring about violating them then that I think is where you start running in to trouble.

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>>132187631
but what is "sex"? just penetrative intercourse or any genital stimulation with another person?

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>>132187513
>Nietzsche's poor understanding of Christianity
>again

I have a bit of text I usually share to express my rejection of this idea:

>Nietzsche saw Christian morality as a kind of slave morality, while Greek and Roman culture was characterized as a master morality. Scheler disagrees. He begins with a comparison of Greek love and Christian love. Greek love is described as a movement from lower value to higher value. The weaker love the stronger, the less perfect love the more perfect. The perfect do not love the imperfect because that would diminish their value or corrupt their existence. Greek love is rooted in need and want. This is clearly indicated by the Aristotelian concept of God as the "Unmoved Mover". The unmoved mover is self-sufficient being completely immersed in its own existence. The highest object of contemplation, and who moves others through the force of attraction because efficient causality would degrade its nature.

Part 1/2

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>>132187865
Part 2/2
>In Christian love, there is a reversal in the movement of love. The strong bend to the weak, the healthy help the sick, the noble help the vulgar. This movement is a consequence of the Christian understanding of the nature of God as fullness of being. God's love is an expression of His superabundance. The motive for love is not charity nor the neediness of the lover, but it is rooted in a deeply felt confidence that through loving I become more personalized and most real to myself. The motive for the world is not need or lack (à la Schopenhauer), but a creative urge to express the infinite fullness of being. Poverty and sickness are not values to be celebrated in order to spite those who are rich and healthy, but they simply provide the opportunity for a person to express his love. Rich people are harder to love because they are less in need of your generosity. Fear of death is a sign of a declining, sick, and broken life (Ressent 60). St. Francis' love and care for the lepers would have mortified the Greek mind, but for St. Francis, the threats to well-being are inconsequential because at the core of his being there is the awareness that his existence is firmly rooted in and sustained by the ground of ultimate being. In genuine, Christian love, the lower values that are relative to life are renounced not because they are bad, but simply because they are obstacles to those absolute values which allow a person to enter into a relationship with God. It is through loving like God that we are deified. This is why Scheler sees the Christian saint as a manifestation of strength and nobility and not manifesting ressentiment.

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I have lost all of my saved pictures on my computer. Could anyone help me out and post some Christian art/memes/general images please?

>>132187861
I was never given to wonder about that. I think if you're trying to redefine it so that it's OK to suck a cock or fuck a butthole because that that technically wouldn't result in procreation then you're probably just looking for an excuse to play by the rules rather than having an interest in Christianity.

When I was maybe 4 another boy from down the street and I were changing into swim trunks and showed each other our penises. Does that make us gay? I don't think so.

>>132187865
>nietzsche's understanding of christianity
>not anything but accurate

What you posted if anything completely agrees with what Nietzsche states. The Christian/Plato view projects and establishes an altruism and emotional form of society. Love and Pity? Is this truly what great civilizations are based on? Absolutely not, these are just obstacles to seizing the will to power. To truly rise above the level of the ordinary plebeian and seize the godhood within grasp of (some) men. Christians promote the view of a glorious afterlife which causes people to forsake the actual world they are in, which is a form of proto nihilism.

>>132187101
Same here. I've heard good things about your Church :)

>>132187365
Its tough to say. My laymans view is that no one really knows who will get into heaven and who will not. I remember my Priest quoting someone who said "And if you make it there... Expect to see some people you werent expecting, and expect not to see some people that you were".

Its like the question of, what happens to an infant that dies days after being born? Of course they werent confirmed into the church and they hadnt made the decision to accept Christ as their savior, but on the other hand, they're not really capable of sin.

I believe they'll make it to heaven in this case, along with the animals of the world.

But this is just my layman's perspective, this would be a great question for your local Priest. Personally, I believe that to an extent, we dont know who will make it and who will not.

I follow the Orthodox faith because we can trace our lineage directly back to the Apostles of Jesus, all the way, in a Church that is truer to its roots over 2,000 years than any other, especially since most havent even existed that long in the first place.

I hope to study this more...

>>132187513 Whatever you say, my neighbor in this fallen world. I dont want to argue with you, I know that you wont be changing my mind (Like I said, I lived the Atheist life for a decade, I know all the lines, all the buzzwords, and all the "arguments"), and I dont expect to change yours. You came here not to learn, not to ask questions, but to tell us all why we're "wrong". I pray that one day you'll seek salvation, and just know, that the door will be open for you, when you did. Jesus wont turn away from you, even when you do on him.

>>132187554
Full disclosure, im a newfag who is still in high school, I go to a private school that drinks (((their))) propaganda like they were dying of thirst in the sahara. I put up with a lot of shit like plays on transgenderism and black lives matter speakers whose events we are forced to attend. I recently found that /pol/ is a great place to bitch.

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>>132179131
Do you think its possible to connect paganism with catholic saints? If so, what if black and white people create a indentitarianism movement based in their respective cultures. Whites with saints of Nordic's deities and Blacks with saints of Afros's deities, and then proceed to a separatism movement.

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>>132188304
I simply pointed out my view on things to invite spirited debate. My view is that religion is a personal matter, I think everyone is entitled to his own religious beliefs. If you have the capacity to have faith in something beyond yourself and of natural reality then I applaud you. I could and would never have or understand such a feeling. I think that as members of the political right we should all stand together against the forces destroying our glorious civilization and riddling us with decadence and degeneration.

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Any tips on quiting porn and masturbation? Seems likely that it will keep me from entering heaven unless I'm given a lot of mercy. I only do it 4ish times a week, so it's nothing chronic.

What does the phrase "turn the other cheek" encompass?
Minor insults, assault, war?

How is this phrase reconciled with other passages justifying self defense and just war.

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>>132188726
BE GONE FOUL DEMON

>>132188726
I found it useful to only do it when I'm in bed and too lazy to go get up and go find porn so I'm forced to use my imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqOUUAC7_E
Jesse Morrell & The Italian Street Preacher Tag Team Kansas State University with Open Air Preaching

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>>132188781
give yourself FULLY to Jesus.
DO as He COMMANDS

>>132188130
>if you're trying to specifically define the rules it means you're looking for loopholes
I hear this a lot as a go-to response about many different areas, and I think it's a dangerous state of mind. Why should it be encouraged to make yourself feel guilty about more things than are necessary - meaning in some cases you're therefore making yourself feel guilty about doing things that aren't actually sins?
Treating grey areas as if they're "sin by default, don't think about it" isn't particularly helpful imo

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>>132188296
>What you posted if anything completely agrees with what Nietzsche states.

It completely rejects the Christian worldview and figures as representative of resentment which is central to the classification of it as "Slave Morality". Further it attests to the saints - the figures that are representative of the lifestyle - as figures of strength and nobility. This is explicitly against Nietzsche's entire view of Christianity.

Did you actually read what was stated?

>Christians promote the view of a glorious afterlife which causes people to forsake the actual world they are in, which is a form of proto nihilism.

That's not sound at all as Christianity classically considers the world good. The saints, such as the ascetics, do not reject their nature but work to restore it to its integrity in this life and the next. There is no rejection of it, there is affirmation of the world. The core disagreement is not one of disposition but of the facts. Whether order/disorder exists.

The issue that Nietzsche had is that he grew up in a Lutheran/Calvinist atmosphere and gives a view of Christianity which is solely restricted to Lutheranism and Calvinism.

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>>132188781
I don't know how accurate pic related is but it's an interesting interpretation

>>132188982
Laaaame.

Any other takers?

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>>132185996
I was raised as a catholic and when I was 14 I assumed myself as an atheist. I've been browsing 4chan since 2007.

Now I'm 26 and I rediscovered my faith 3 months ago after one year reading st. Thomas. I had never had a boyfriend before until last month, when one of the friends who guided me through the process asked me. My boyfriend is fully redpilled.

I'm still a virgin and so does he. We French kiss, but I don't touch his private parts and I stop kissing when I feel we're going to trespass the limits. I want to have sex with him, but at the same time I know it's an offence to God, so why not wait until marriage. I didn't expect someone would love me anyway.

>>132189005
I think it's the opposite. If it's a grey area then the point is to do what you can to avoid doing what you know or think to be wrong.

I don't think it's about feeling guilty. I think that it's just a good sign if you're trying to figure your way around some technicality or other that either you don't understand the point of it or you're lying to yourself.

>>132188781
You be merciful unless it allows the other person to sin. It doesn't mean "be a doormat". It means that you don't hold on to grudges. If someone is threatening you, you have not only a right but an obligation to protect yourself. This is all right from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. A battered spouse has the right to flee, and someone under attack has the right to fight back. In the latter case, it's okay to make an unjust aggressor BTFO, but not okay to go and overkill.

Hope that helps anon!

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>>132188781

Saint Augustine's theology defended military service and war as long as it was in self-defense. Many other theologians believe that only pacifism can work with Christianity.

Basically you're looking at Augustinian self-defense doctrine or pacifism.

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>>132189120
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeqQAxFmSQ

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>>132189107
PRAISE HIM

>>132189132
Marry that guy already. Why hasn't he proposed to you?

>>132189175
I understand what you're saying - but from my point of view I'm not approaching these questions as "finding a way around a rule", I'm approaching it as "understanding what the rule actually covers in the first place so I don't put unnecessary guilt onto myself"

>>132187909
I enjoyed reading this, thank you!

>>132188017
I would, if I had much of anything. I hope someone here will commence a photo dump for us all to save...

>>132188345
Oh Jeeze... I've know folks like that, and honestly I think that what based Yuri said about Marxists also applies to Jews. People become so brainwashed that even when exposed to genuine information, they'll dismiss it under whatever pretense.

If you take someone who believes (((they))) can do no wrong, and show them evidence of the holocaust being a hoax, or how (((they))) run the media, they just dismiss it as Alex Jones level nonsense.

What to do about this?

I pray for them. I know that I believed their lies, realized I had been lied to, and now hate them 10x more than someone who hadnt been lied to and discovered it in the first place, if that makes sense.

I truly hope that more will break the cycle and see the light.

>>132188462
Honestly I dont know enough of Pagans or Catholics to produce an intelligent comment, but I have my doubts, personally...

>>132188517
Beautiful churches, are beautiful...

>>132188664
I agree, we do need to stand together. If you're interested, perhaps you'll consider a book called "Beginning to Pray" which outlines an Orthodox perspective of what exactly god is, and isnt. I recommend the book, highly, it might well be able to help you...

>>132188726
Yes, ultimately... Get married! People are Sexual beings, theres no two ways around it, and honestly I dont look at this as a bad thing, we need to be, in order to survive as a species!

With that being said, with oppertunity comes responsibility, and a healthy, Christian marriage is mutually beneficial, serves the family, and the community. This is my ultimate goal, personally.

Also, stop watching porn! I did, after a couple months or so, from watching hardcore stuff, I found myself aroused by a fully clothed, respectable looking ~20 year old girl on the front of a local magazine. It was a good start for me.

>>132189100
Your pic is accurate.

>>132189368
>proposing after one month
it takes longer than that to know if you're compatible and get along properly in all areas of life. Getting married early just to have non-sinful sex is not a wise decision for something so permanent and long term

>>132189100
This is good stuff, wonder what language that is?

Greek, Latin or yiddish?

>>132188781

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVeCpDU0RIU
What If Someone Slaps My Wife?

>>132189394
Like I said, check out Jesus' sermon on the mount. I'm no priest or biblical scholar but I think it's pretty clear that sex is for after marriage and for the purposes of creating children, that it's obviously a source of intimate bonding with your soul mate, a form of rightful recreation and necessary release, and that if you think of it as nothing more than hedonism then you're disrespecting the order of the universe.

If you don't like that answer ask somebody else.

>>132189053
But the saints are often rather just figures of weakness and depravity. Morons who dedicate their lives to altruism, or people martyred for ideals.

I should have said, a component of what he said admits to what Nietzsche said about Christianity, specifically in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Nietzsche is rejecting the entire premise of the Christian belief system, arguing that revering such figures who espouse such weakness is a form of slave morality, in which it is. Instead of worshipping great conquerors or leaders, men who wash the feet of the poor and die mauled by lions are made the ideal.

>That's not sound at all as Christianity classically considers the world good.

That's not what St Ambrose had to say in The City of God, widely considered one of the foundations of Christian theology.

Nietzsche grew up when Christianity was generally finished as the premier social force. His philosophy reflects that, which is also why churches today are either progressive hellholes (Including the mainstream Catholic Church or most Lutherans) or half empty houses of worship filled with Octogenarians.

>>132179131
Do you know any good Orthodox reading/listening online that I can use to learn? Been protestant my whole life and after listening to a little bit of the podcast Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy from ancientfaith.com I have become more convinced that Orthodoxy is the way, but I really do not know much about it.

>>132189645

Koine Greek, the original language of the New Testament.

Koine "Common" Hellenistic Greek --- not be confused with Attic or Ionic Greek of Homer

>>132179131
>>132189770
>implying your denomination is "orthodox" for more than slavs and greeks

No, Anon. Around here we call them _Eastern_ Orthodoxy at best, and Orientalist heresy as normal.

Ivan, please go.

>>132189937
Neato, that kind of context is crucial.

Why isnt this well known?

>>132189577
nice numbers checked and good advice

I hope anon doesn't wait too long if things look good enough though. Most people I know who are happily married didn't wait too long. Most people I know who aren't waited too long.

>>132188726
On getting into heaven:
Do you believe that God sent His Son to Earth to live among humans and to ultimately die to absolve humans of the penalty of being apart from God?
If the answer is yes, congrats, I'll meet you one day in Heaven. That's all it takes. Doesn't matter how much you're jerking off - your faith, not your works, gets you into heaven.

Regarding quitting porn/masturbation: First off, it'll be a LOT of willpower. It's almost like you're quitting drugs. It isn't easy. It'll be painful. It will 100% be worth it.
Second, don't go it alone. Have someone you trust keep you accountable. Ideally, have that person be someone who's trying to quit/has quit themselves.
Third, replace the routine. Find something else to do/think about during your normal crank time. If it's just before sleeping, think about something else. Get into another habit.
It'll be pretty tough for the first week or so. It gets slowly more manageable after that.
I'll say a prayer for you, anon. Stay strong.

>>132189368
We're both ending college, he must find a job first. Since our country is through financial crisis, it'll take a while.

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>>132189770
Yes! I recommend a book called "Beginning To Pray", you can buy it cheap on Amazon. Additionally, I enjoy "Orthodox Sermons" on YouTube, I dont remember their exact channel name, but if you search what I put in quotes, you can find it. Additionally, "Aincent Faith Radio" is a wonderful podcast, you can find it through a quick google search. I will pray for you, and I hope that maybe some other anons here will chime in with helpful suggestions, also.

>>132190024

It is if you go to seminary or study theology at a divinity school. However the ancient languages are no longer required teaching in the modern church among both catholic and protestant denominations. It's a shame because Koine, Hebrew and Latin give Christian's a strong connection to their texts.

If the Jews do one thing right, it's that they force their children to the language of their people to become fully incoproated into the faith. Christians should learn at least basic Koine Greek for confirmation.

t. seminary student with a BA in Classics who has studied koine greek and hebrew

>>132190121
Don't let the Jew money crisis scare you. It's probably going to get worse anyway.

If he comes from a good family and he's ready to commit to see you through good times and bad times, sickness and health, 'till death do you part, don't let a good thing slip out of your fingers. I assume you've already met his family and been able to determine whether or not they're happy to have you as a part of it.

>>132190279

*learn the language

>>132189053
Christianity doesn't consider the world good. Christianity is a light in a dark world. Given all the references to "the world" and "the flesh" as opposition to His word, I'm not sure where you came to that conclusion - Biblically, at least.

>>132188726
Looking at porn isn't a sin if you aren't married

>>132190200
>practising heresy

>>132190592
looking lustfully at someone other than your wife is definitely a sin, anon

>>132190534
Good one, lad.

>>132190592
It depends on how much you do it, Anon. Same with masterbating, T.B.H.

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>>132189730
>But the saints are often rather just figures of weakness and depravity.

And what I said stated and defended the opposite. You're going to need to give an argument with evidence to get anywhere because your view that charity and love is weak has already been contended.


>Nietzsche is rejecting the entire premise of the Christian belief system, arguing that revering such figures who espouse such weakness is a form of slave morality, in which it is.

Slave Morality is based on resentment in Nietzsche's view. Not only has the view of the Christian belief as a manifestation of resentment already been argued against but your example isn't even an example of slave morality as its a title to how the moral system came about, not why people follow it or what that may mean.

>The City of God

St. Augustine wrote The City of God, not St. Ambrose. Further, St. Augustine was key to discerning the Christian view that evil has no real existence in reality but is just a privation of the good. He defended that all that actually exists is good.

>Nietzsche grew up when Christianity was generally finished as the premier social force.

It's crudely simplistic to say just "Christianity" here. He was alive in post-Enlightenment and post-Reformation Germany and grew up in a Lutheran household very influenced by the work of John Calvin. His views of Christianity come from this and it shows in his work. The Enlightenment and Reformation was a massive jump for the spirit of popular Christianity. This is why Catholicism and Orthodoxy reject is as Modernity.

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>>132190544
>God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. -Genesis 1

>All of nature, therefore, is good, since the Creator of all nature is supremely good -Enchiridion, by St. Augustine


You do not know of what you're talking about.


>>132190592
lol this guy

thats bullshit and you know it

>>132190949
>boosting "catholicism and orthodoxy" while using the u.s. flag
Where do all of these heretics come from and what must be done to send them back?

>>132190670
yeah it is if your married

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>>132190294
Our parents live at least 200km away from the city we study, but he wants me to go to his birth town to meet his family this month. My boyfriend has showed them several pictures and they know I'm going to be a doctor. I'm secure we'll have their blessings.

As for my parents, they are eager to meet him, I was going to a destructive path before knowing Jesus. However, I think it's better to meet his parents first. I'm probably going to move to his birth town next year.

I want at least two kids before hitting 35 years old, so we must marry as soon as possible.

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>>132190701

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Reminder to find your religious roots, Americans.

>>132191271
Catholicism is correct and Orthodoxy is largely correct, besides some vague attributes and ecclesial differences. The landmass I'm from doesn't decide what is true, Anon.

>>132191381
>pic. related

Are you saying... Are you saying... Are you saying you don't like me? Anon. No! Don't say that! Anything but that!

Anon.!

:^)

>>132191431
I think you meant to use the word "heretical," Anon.

If not...

>>132191536
Don't try to be coy with me. I believe you're wrong and heretical. If you have any evidence to your view, go ahead and provide it. Oh, and actually state what your view is.

I don't have a denomination. I was born into a Catholic church, went to an evangelical church at some point, and now am going to a Baptist church. I just read the bible everyday and keep His laws. I hope that isn't a sin

>>132191255
Genesis 1? Prior to the Fall? When sin did not separate God and man? Yes, the world was good then.
Post-fall, no. And the world will never be good, which is why it will be destroyed during the Second Coming.

>>132191372
I'm going to be honest with you that sounds entirely ideal from a male perspective but I would be left having second thoughts as to whether you were showing signs about being too cunning and manipulative or not.

I hope both families will meet each other and become friends.

>>132179131
I hate your shitty religion with a passion.

>>132190592
lol

>>132192079
Why?

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>tfw happier and more fulfilled than I've ever been since I started going to Church
This shit works

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>>132191873
Ephesians 2:8-9

>>132190949
Whoops, I confused Ambrose and Augustine. But I mean those names aren't that far off.

How can you defend the opposite? It's absolutely ludicrous. The notion that charity and love is somehow an ideal is what slave morality is by definition "focused on those abused, oppressed, weak and suffering".

What I'm identifying is that Christianity does in fact promote slave morality, this is further emphasized by the egalitarian, communal and pacifistic nature of early Christian communities.

Slave morality isn't just based on resentment, it's based on what I mentioned above, as well as a concern with universal justice and fairness.

Does Christianity encourage the will to power? it does not in anyway, in that it encourages mediocrity.

He implied that all that goodness stemmed from the inherent nature of the divines victory. His chagrin directed at the earthly city is if anything defining the Christian view of the earth.

Nietzsche grew up in a protestant household, but he also travelled all over Germany and into France. He was well versed with the Catholic church too.

>>132192081
plrase show me the verse saying it is then anon.

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>>132187909
Ressentment should be required reading material for Christians in this age. It absolutely wrecks the narrative of our opponents as so much of it is based on Nietzsche's diseased understanding of Christianity

>>132179131
All orthodox/catholic christians need to leave this board during our july celebrations.

After securing our £1billion investment in return for creating Theresa May's government, our culture and our unity, this period is now especially valuable to us and we won't have any Catholic fenian bastards ruining it!

>>132192512
Why is a copy of a copy of a copy better than the original?

>>132192263
It's dumb, authoritarian and repulsive.

>>132192079
Jesus loves you, confess and regret your sins.

>>132191970
>being too cunning and manipulative
I'm a terrible liar and I truly want to make my boyfriend happy as we grow old together. I hope they don't think about me this way, it isn't my intention.

Christum pax, anon.

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I recently broke up with my longtime girlfriend and I've been wanting a God-centered relationship for once. I think I've found a woman who can give me just that. I can't remember the last time I had this much joy in my heart. Please pray for me, brothers. God bless

>>132192833
Just like gays hehe

>>132192902
>god-centered
>girlfriend
get married if you're a real god fearing man

>>132192871
Best of luck, anoness.

I've been to some weddings where they both just want to get it done. But a lot of them the groom in particular is shitting his pants wondering it he's about to make the best or the worst decision of his life. Go the family route and see how it plays would be my advice.

In proper tradition he should want to meet your father to ask for his permission to propose to you.

Hey Ortho-bros, I just found out there's a small Orthodox church on the other side of town. Should I contact them first or just walk in? What are the meetings like? What should I expect?

>>132192612
Eph. 5:3-6
Matt. 5:28
Jam. 1:14-15

>>132179131
Hey /cg/ would you guys be interested in continuing a relationship with a girl after finding out she's not a virgin?

I've apparently turned a good section of the young adult group at my Church for breaking things off with a girl due to that.

Just kind of curious on perspectives from fellow Christians.

>>132185878
>I'm sorry to hear that, anon. Having been a former member of a church where everyone pretends to be perfect, and more prefect than you, I'd take what you consider "Self-Loathing". Although I dont think of it as such, another verse is "And may the whole day be perfect, peaceful and sinless...."
>We acknoledge that everyone sins, we dont dwell on it. We try our best.
My Church had the opposite problem. There was a lot of overemphasis on everyone being unworthy no matter what we do.

There wasn't much good news in our gospel beyond "you're not necessarily fucked, even though you deserve to be".

>>132187513
That's one way of looking at it. Another way is recognizing God's authority as supreme -- He does not a priori favor kings over beggars.

Why did slave morality prevail over master morality? Why did Christianity do away with animal sacrifice -- not just in Judea but everywhere? Because God has power.

Master morality is weak. It died out. It's for losers. It won't come back until the old gods are released from prison.

>>132192871
No, I quite like my sins actually.

>>132192993
I guess that's your perspective. That's fine, we can hate each other.

Hello fellow Christians.

Does anyone have any suggestions for how to reconnect with an old friend who seems to have actually lost himself and his personality in "Christianity?" It seems he may be in some kind of 12 step recovery program in addition to being heavily churchian. He has become distant and judgmental and seems deeply sad. I'm afraid he's under the sway of a joyless, counterfeit, cultlike Christianity and is punishing himself severely for past mistakes.

>>132179131
>and my brothers and sisters in Christ
this sounds so comfy

>>132193566
>joyless, counterfeit, cultlike Christianity
Just like regular Christianity then?

>>132193566
I had a previously atheist friend who got in to the culty parts as part of joining AA to fix his life and sober up. About a year or two in he had kicked the addiction and decided he wasn't big in to it.

You might try giving him some time.

>>132193663
It reminds me of all the incest of Genesis, not comfy at all.

>>132193368
Personally, I think it's completely within reason for you to break that off - especially if you've been saving yourself and expect your spouse to do the same.

Agree that each situation is different, but if it's important to you, I don't think it's unreasonable.

FWIW, as a Christian who is saving himself for marriage, I'd need some context, but in most cases I'd do the exact same.

when you say Deus Vult, you are praising Zeus

>>132193368
>continuing a relationship with a girl after finding out she's not a virgin
Call me less than strict but if she's ready to be a faithful wife and everything seems to be working out OK, then that would hardly be a deal breaker.

>>132193888
>when you say Deus Vult, you are being autistic
fixed

>>132193766
Thanks anon, it's been about 2 years but he's been under ongoing stress (family stuff) so perhaps it's going to take a while longer. I hope he emerges from it.

>>132193566
Try to develop a relationship with him outside of a Christian context. The Lord has you in his life for a reason. Conversation will likely come up naturally.
Also, ultimately, point him back to the Bible. Find him a verse or two and encourage him to read it on his own.

>>132193368
if she's an alpha widow, hell no.
run my nigga.

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>>132191961
>Genesis 1? Prior to the Fall? When sin did not separate God and man?

Original sin separated us from God's gift of grace but it did not make the world bad or evil inherently. Sin itself is a separation from God's will for us and evil has no real existence. It is only a privation of good. All that exists is good as God eternally creates it. Your view doesn't stand to criticism.

>>132192079
Get your shit together.

>>132192512
>Ephesians 2:8-9

...yes? Works does not give justification but rather works perfects faith. The grace of God works in us to both desire and work towards righteousness.

>>132192606
>How can you defend the opposite?

Actually look at what I posted and find out. It's right there.

>The notion that charity and love is somehow an ideal is what slave morality is by definition "focused on those abused, oppressed...

No, the basis of Slave Morality is resentment. Meanwhile the basis of Master Morality is sentiment. Another inherent issue in the dichotomy is that it presupposes Will to Power to make the judgement.

>egalitarian

Christianity is the western origin of Class Collaboration, which is the opposite of Marxism's Class Conflict. The Catholic Church is amongst the first proponents of Corporatism.

>Slave morality isn't just based on resentment

That's literally the concept that it surrounds. It is a devaluing of the master's morality and defines its morality by its master's, which is where the very name comes from.


>Does Christianity encourage the will to power?

It doesn't acknowledge such a flawed system in the first place. Seeking and attaining power simply doesn't give fulfillment.

>Nietzsche grew up in a protestant household, but he also travelled all over Germany and into France. He was well versed with the Catholic church too.

I very much doubt it given his shit understanding.

also
>reddit spacing

>>132192734
Thanks for the image!
Would you happen to have any more? I'm still struggling from >>132188017

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>>132179131
https://m.youtube.com/#/channel/UCwsu0o35x7sqG9T13v1T0Cg

I hope Orthodox OP enjoys my video on the Battle of Kosovo.

>>132193888
This guy is dumb.

>>132192827
because its extremely different

>>132194037
Two years in and he should be, as my mom once put it, ready to "shit or get off the pot."

If you're in your mid 20s already and you're not sure if this is going to work then you might want to give it some careful thought or at least give it a push. Maybe that means doing women magic to help with family relations. Maybe that means cooking him dinner. I don't know. But if the upcoming meetings don't go well you might have to ask yourself if he and you are connected enough to get over whatever's not going well.

>>132193681
No he's probably referring to something Like Joel Osteen who preaches the "prosperity gospel".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e5lbnBMP2U

>>132179131
Fuck this gay thread

>>132194278
He has a commie flag, of course he's dumb

>>132193938
Fair point. She may be completely repentant of that. Can't fight biology though.

Question: are you saving yourself for marriage? It's an important factor. Many virgins (like myself) would strongly prefer to have an equally-yoked spouse in that regard.

>>132193289
The only one of those 3 that sounds like it is James. And it says it may bring forth sin since you would probably be more likely to fornicate. It didn't say it is a sin.

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>>132194213
Sure, I'll post some of the old ones I haven't seen in a while

>>132194409
>guy makes no posts besides 'fuck this thread'

But why?

>>132194114
Thanks anon, our friendship was actually built on other interests/work, and I became a Christian long after our friendship began. But he is like a zombie now, he regurgitates scripture but no longer connects emotionally as a friend. I'm having a hard time finding a way in. Maybe more time needs to pass. I'll keep reaching out in the hope that an opportunity opens up in our conversation. I don't want to overstep.

>>132194325
We're in our early 30's and we both have young children and are exhausted all the time. I hear what you're saying. It's sad to think of losing him as a friend, and strange to feel that his spirituality has taken this strange turn that's driving us apart. Part of life I suppose.

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>>132194556

>>132194437
I'm a virgin. I never really thought of it as "saving myself for marriage" but rather that's what I understood to be the right thing to do.

I just wish I was less of a prude and had done more to score a mate when it was easier.

>>132194560
>Wolfsheim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyrFko0C5Pk

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>>132179131
bump

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>>132195074

Thank you very much to the anon posting pictures.

>>132194213
>Get your shit together.
Says the autistic tripfag.

>>132195131
Yes.
Says a lot when the autistic tripfag needs to tell you this.

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>>132195124

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The Ministry in the Streets

http://viessman.org/

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>>132195249

>>132194768
I remember back when I was collaborating with a 16 year old Australian to help rehabilitate a suicide potential. On his advice I bought a Wolfsheim album.

I'll never forget the first time I came across the WOLFSHEIM namefag here and I think the first thing I said to him was a quote from the booklet
>You will not like wolfsheim
And he had no idea what I was talking about. What a strange trip life is. Now he's a regular in the most unexpected sort of thread.

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PATER NOSTER, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo. Amen.

>>132195346
Dude looks like a tripfag to me

>>132189368
Marriage needs two for it to work, and if you don't know how your partner works, then it's going to be horrible.

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>>132195277
The Russian Christian Missionary to America

While returning from a 24 hour trip and enroute to camp; I ran into a young man that was selling Russian paintings. He was well dressed and spoke excellent english with a Russian accent. He couldn't been from around here, because he was asking a street person for money. I was pulling a cart; and everyone else knew I was a street person. As we talked, he said he was with a Christian Missionary organization; and they were called to America.

Note: My "Wake up America" tracts are from a Missionary to America.

I said "A missionary to America"? He said yes- and stated: that it was unusual. Note: He didn't know I was a believer up to this point. After he said that, the Presence of the Lord came over me, and out of my mouth in an almost shout came: "THE LORD IS WITH YOU-THE LORD SENT YOU TO AMERICA-WE NEED MISSIONARIES TO AMERICA"!! His face lit up and joy came over him. We began to fellowship and I showed him my ministry signs and shared a little about the ministry to the streets. It was as if we were transported back to the days of the early church. I was on the verge of weeping on the return to camp.

This was an incredible fellowship time and both of us were encouraged in the Lord. When he left, Michael was almost running in and out of businesses trying to sell his paintings to support this mission organization, called by the Lord to America.

http://viessman.org/Testrussianmis.html

>>132195441
Oh yeah tripfag. Maybe he was a namefag back then or maybe my memory is going.

>>132194213
I believe we're at odds with how we determine "the world". I'm looking more at mankind. I believe you're looking at nature.

>>132195346
Welp.

>>132189132
bless u

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>>132195417
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbmRut5Z7w

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>>132195522
A Living Parable. The Homeless Man

http://viessman.org/stre2int.htm

The Lord led me to a homeless man named Gene in our town; and He told me to help him. The Lord directed me to buy Gene a large cabin tent, and build a wooden floor for the tent to sit on. I befriended Gene, and acquired his trust after a couple of weeks of talking with him, bringing food, and some camping equipment. Gene was living in a small tent that leaked, situated in a mud hole. The new tent was covered with a tarp; and a camouflage net used by the army, to hide their vehicles.

After fasting for 4 days, I decided to set the tent up on Thanksgiving; and stay the night. I was almost finished setting up Gene's tent, when a man named Mike walked up with a turkey leg, and all the trimmings for Gene. I told Mike the Lord told me to help Gene; and Mike said he's been helping him for over a year. Mike has been bringing Gene food, doing his laundry; and even bringing him home to take a shower. Mike is NOT a (Christian). There are four churches within a two mile radius; and Mike said the churches are not helping Gene; and the one across the street even called the cops on him. I knew this was a confirmation of the assignment, that the Lord had given me. Mike also shared about a miracle that happened to him, since he's been helping Gene.

>>132195577
howdy

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>>132195406
Gonna post a couple more before I go to bed

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I need to start visiting a church. I want a young adult program because I want to see and interact with the followers of Yahweh. There's always cute girls at churches.

What denomination is friendly to apostates and heretics?

>>132195221
I don't need anything, you're just saying it because you're a self righteous cunt.

>>132195570
Man is part of nature. All men are created good. We wrestle to control our irrational desires by our will and reason due to our fallen state.

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>>132195644
(cont.)

After talking to Mike; the Lord put this portion of prophecy #70 in my mind:

[The Father is speaking] {'For there are so many demonic forces out there, it would make your Head Spin. Some of you are going to be scared, just by listening to what I am saying at this very moment, but that is the reality. You Pastors are so ill equipped. You haven't the foggiest idea of what a demon is. You're looking for middle class solutions to a Spirit. You think you can solve them by sending them to an analyst, when the analyst himself might be possessed by a Spirit. Satan has done his Job well, but you don't have to worry if you're in the Body of Christ. And if you're strong in the Body of Christ. For only the strong will make it, the Pure and the Clean, the Honest, the Righteous. For there are many Christians that call themselves Christians, and are worse off than non-Christians, in their thinking and theology.

Now listen! Christianity is basically simple. You turn to Jesus Christ of Nazareth, your King of Kings, Lord of Lords. He is your Protector. He is your Guide. For he has already won the Battle. The problem is you have to walk through it. You have to carry your own Cross, for everyone has to take an accounting of themselves, at the end of time. Everybody that has ever lived will have to know that when Judgment comes, their tongue has to confess Jesus Christ is the Lord of Lords and the King of Kings and every knee, and I mean every knee has to Bow down to him from the beginning of man to now. Satan himself has to Bow down, but he's going to be chained and sent to the pit of hell with a lot of you, My Children, that have the hard hearts and closed minds. Don't be beguiled by the easy life, the evil life of this World, for this World is about out of time'}.

>>132195540
He was a namefag back on /v/ back in like 2009-2010 or so.

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>>132195742
(cont.)

I watched Gene eat his Thanksgiving feast, and was longing for the left-overs; but the Lord told me- to continue the fast. The Lord put Gene in a deep sleep for hours after he ate. I anointed the new tent inside and out with oil, and prayed over it; and then started walking around the camp praying in the dark. Gene was asleep in his old tent.

After praying for a while, a homesickness came over me; and I started thinking about my 6 sisters, 2 brothers and Mom in Missouri. I haven't seen them for 2.5 years; and knew they were spending Thanksgiving together. I started to cry, and then weep. This turned into a wailing that seemed to last for hours. I hadn't cried like that, since the night of my father's funeral in 1988. During this wailing, the Lord started giving me the word.

The Lord told me to sleep in a brush pile, that a homeless person lived in. The wind was blowing hard, and was cold, with nothing between the hill; and the San Francisco bay. In the middle of the night, I was awakened and frightened by what sounded like a group of people outside my camp; and I realized it was Gene having a conversation in a number of voices, and laughter. I didn't sleep much after that, and this continued on much of the night. I spent most of the night in prayer. The Lord clarified the word to be placed in this testimony.

At sunrise, Gene and I went to 7-11; and had some coffee and donuts. He seemed to be in the best mental state, that I've seen him in. He was very happy with his new home with a cot, sleeping bag, table; and big enough to walk around in.

>>132194437
How old are you now? Men tend to reach their sexual peaks around 28-29 - it's not impossible.

...but it'll be tough to find a girl that has saved herself at that age. Nothing wrong with a three-or-four-year difference IMO

>>132195815
Don't reply to yourself anon.

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>>132195811
(cont.)

[Word from the Lord]

This is what the Lord told me that night:

>Because the Christians in the churches don't have time for the sheep that are suffering in the streets; (when everything falls apart); THEY are going to suffer. Christians are going to live in holes like animals; and will be scared, hungry, and cold. Christians will cry, weep and wail for the Lord's deliverance; but the Lord was not going to listen; because the Christians weren't listening to the cries of the sheep living in the streets. The Lord also said; He was going to take care of HIS sheep; and the sheep that were neglected by the churches.

Scripture Note: The Lord gave me Ezekiel Chapter 34. (the entire chapter).
http://viessman.org/ezekiel.htm

Scripture Note: The Lord directed me to add these passages from Ezekiel Chapter 12: 1-7; and Proverbs 1:23-29
http://viessman.org/ezek12pa.htm
http://viessman.org/prov1str.htm
Final Note: I felt so unworthy doing this for the Lord; and could only see my sin. This caused me to wail more.

End of Testimony

God Bless

In His service

Ron Viessman

http://viessman.org/stre2int.htm

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>>132195771
>tfw no qt Russian gf

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>>132195956

>>132194631
Sounds like he's seeking an identity in Christ and is a bit cautious to opening up due to fear/shame. I'll say a prayer for both him and you. Got a bit of a list after this thread.

>>132184872
I used to go to church because my family went. My wife, my in laws, every body I knew went to church. My kids absolutely loved it. There were days I wanted to stay home, but I didn't want to deny my kids the joy they had been anticipating all week, so I went. It was a baptist church, slightly different than how I grew up with a few minor quarks here and there, but this church has the SPIRIT. Not just in the preacher, but in the body of the church as well. It wasn't long before the Spirit moved in me as well. I highly recommend going. Look and see if your church has the Holy Spirit, see if they are burning with the fire for the lord, but also try to get into a small group of people in your walk of life, singles, young couples, etc.., I look forward to my small groups as much as Sunday service.

>>132195922
>>132195811
>>132195742
>>132195644
>>132195522
>>132195277
Thank you for these, anon.

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>>132196021
Last one, I'll post more next time. Night all

>>132192871
You sound like an angel anon, best of luck :)

>>132196116
Good night

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>>132195678
Very much appreciate it.

>>132195693
I say it because you're doing nothing but antagonism and not using your reason whatsoever in doing so. You're not helping anything towards your goals. You're just randomly spouting insults.

>>132195768
This is accurate. 2008 though.

>>132195646
Hi. Hope you're well.

>>132196116
Goodnight anon and thank you very much.

>>132196342
Makes sense. 2008 would have been pretty much exactly the right time frame.

i miss ad majorem dei gloriam

>>132195684
Episcopalians

Forgive me Lord for i am a sinner.

Its taken me years (now 21) to decide to come to terms with my beliefs, is it to late for me to get Baptised?

It's not awwwright. I see that now.

>>132195684
>father was a baptist pastor
>early childhood memories of him preaching and writing sermons
>take up his interest on spiritual matters
>move around a lot and visit a lot of different denominations of churches
>fall out of favor with God
>don't feel his light
>get dragged to some posh baptist church in a distant rich part of town once
>doesn't feel right
>want to find a good one
I'm just going to visit a different local church every sunday until I find one that feels right and has a good program for people my age.

>>132196625
Any reason why?

>>132196678
You can get baptised any time. Most of the people I see getting baptised in my chruch are like in their 30s/40s.

I didn't start to think for myself about it all until maybe 24 or so.

This should be on /a/

>>132196823
Thank you

I think /pol/ made me really rethink about everything i believed

>>132196068
Thanks friend.

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>choosing the Kike's religion

>>132197169
It's best to get baptised at a later age.
I see kids getting baptised when they're nine like I did and my mind was nowhere near mature enough to comprehend Christ when I was that age.

>>132197169
Well, don't do it because /pol/ gave you feels or something. The whole point is to examine what you think.

One of the most difficult points was when the nun preparing me for confirmation told us all we were all just born in to it and we'd have been just as happy to sign on to some other belief system if we had been born in a different part of the world.

It took me a while to work through that one, but she was right. And the thing about baptism is that it's just an initiation into it. It's not making a commitment about where you really stand.

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>kike religion based on nonviolence
>literally fattening you up for the slaughter
People actually believe these jewish lies

>>132197457
I meant it made me question myself and i realised i already believed but had never really thought about it much

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>>132196342
Oh I guess, the years all blend together for me. I've been on this site far too long now.

>>132197576
Obligatory post.

>>132196737
>>132196625
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Episcopal_Church_(United_States)
>The Episcopal Church describes itself as "Protestant, yet Catholic"
I have good experiences with Protestants but I'm wary of Catholicism.

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>>132197804
So how come pagan rome conquered pic related, while Christian Rome collapsed in a little over 100 years?

You really think Christians would have the balls to march on territory with the intent to conquer, dominate, subjugate and civilize? Hell no, they are weak little dandelions afraid of the breeze. They would never die on their feet, only on their knees waiting for their imaginary afterlife.

And the worst part is, they seem intent on dragging us all down with them. Anyone who actually wants to survive in the world is their enemy

>>132195684
>Going to a church for the women and not salvation thru Christ

>>132196737
Was a bit of a joke. Episcopalians are some of the more liberal/heretical sects of Christianity.

I'm a Baptist myself, so unless you're in suburban Detroit, where I could recommend my church, I'd say go for one with an emphasis on service and evangelism. That's how you know the church values relationships - and where you'll likely feel like part of the community.

Relationships matter, everyone. Whether it's with God or with each other. Don't neglect them.

>>132196678
Absolutely not! You can get baptized at any age - and don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" time to do it.

You have a unique journey. Don't let fear or shame prevent you from publicly acknowledging that Christ is your Savior!

>>132198050
I want to go for BIBLE STUDY.
I've been out of formal education for too long and my bible gathers dust. That, and because there is the real possibility that I'm straying further down a darker path.
>>132198130
Thanks. The song and dance is my least favorite part. The student in me enjoys a enlightening sermon, which seems to be getting rarer and rarer.

>>132198022
>Christian Rome
Eastern Roman Empire was around for centuries after Western Roman Empire fell. Also, WRE was taken down by Christian (Arian) Germanic tribes, was more about Rome being degenerate and not paying their armies properly and overextension than religous wars.

All roman pagans are Christians now.

>>132198022
>You really think Christians would have the balls to march on territory with the intent to conquer, dominate, subjugate and civilize? Hell no, they are weak little dandelions afraid of the breeze. They would never die on their feet, only on their knees waiting for their imaginary afterlife.

>Spain
>Portugal
>UK
>Russia's eastern expansion
>Pretty much all colonial empires from Europe

>>132198348
Sometimes I find myself wondering if intertube streaming is the future here. It's a weird world we're living in.

Pastor at my local church is awesome as fuck, but the stand-ins vary from boring to cringe.

>>132198022
Late Romes doom was cause they didn't integrate those they conquered, which led to large parts of their armies consisting of those who didn't consider themselves Roman and had loyalty to their Non-Roman Generals (Who held no love for Rome)

>>132198662
>Church
>over the internet
It's not a proper service if it isn't holy ground.

>>132198348
Check out the Grace Bible Church (Ann Arbor, MI) podcast - the pastor is a friend and was responsible for a thriving, passionate young adult community in his previous church.

>>132198893
I don't know what holy ground is. I hope it's more like an alter built on two or three gathered together than land ownership.

I just think in my experience it's vastly clear that folks would rather go to church if they could learn something while they're there. Otherwise, electronic venues, whether that means televized church or some stupid thread on 4chan, are going to be the kind of thing people gravitate toward.

>>132199270
Strong holy ground feels like sunshine coming up through the soles of your boots. Best I've felt it was after this veteran chaplain did the an opening prayer in this traveling service. He explicitly said "we stand on holy ground" and it lit up. Dissipated after closing prayer.
In a regular church it feels weak to me like it may or may not be there at all. Pretty sad. It might be a fleeting thing, or spread thin, or just plain forgotten about.

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>>132198022
>Christian Rome collapsed in a little over 100 years?
ERE lasted ~1000 years and is basically the reason Europe isn't praying to Mohammed 10 times a day. You can thank Christians for that.

>>132198348
Oh alright, well it depends on the church. As long as they don't use some translation like NIV.

>>132199791
ERE lasted ~1000 years and is basically the reason Europe isn't praying to Mohammed 10 times a day. You can thank Christians for that.

Well ERE defended against Eastern Muslims, Charlemagne and later Iberians defended against moors who were still on their land until they expelled them and Jews in 1492 and onwards.

>>132199673
I've been interested to try crossing ley lines since I sometimes feel things like that.

Meanwhile, there are some churches I've been to that just plain feel right. I don't know what that is exactly, but it's the sort of feeling I can't deny. Not like sunshine in my boots, but I know I'm in the right place.

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>>132198022
You internet pagans have such small goals, dangerous to a few, but so small and petty. You know masses aren't going to join you and never will. You know you can't win people over with reason because the facts don't support you. All you are trying to do is lead a few misanthropes astray. You attack Christianity not with any hope of winning an argument, but merely to strike a chord with the weak who already hate God. You put out your obvious bait not for the spiritually healthy, but for the fools already angry at the Lord and the easily misled, the ones angry or gullible enough to listen to your lies. Once you get your hooks set you will reel these fools into your website where you will beg them for donations and sell them overpriced trash.

>>132198662
I find myself listening to an internet sermon every now and then, but the community of an actual church is too important to do this in lieu of services.

>>132200006
Those are good feelings. Some churches that mean well become dark and dying places if all the young people leave and only the retirees carry the torch.

>>132200601
>only the retirees carry the torch
If only. One time I don't know wtf happened but I was visiting family and one of the guys pulls me aside to recruit me because they screwed up and didn't have enough ushers to run things. And it's fucking Christmase eve. What the fuck?

Scared out of my boots because I don't know wtf to do. Why me? But I'll tell you what it felt like awesome, and I wound up leading the disorganized mess at some points.

good night my dudes
I wish we had this thread more often, one day per week ain't enough

>>132200140
>it is spiritually healthy for a white man to pray to a Jewish god
I can really only laugh at this.

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>>132179131
Reminder to all that Jesus is always there for you.

>>132201075
Goodnight and God bless.

>>132179376
>recommending NIV ever at all when the ESV exists
Numbers 5 NIV
19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has had sexual relations with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”
>miscarries
literally sanctioning abortion

>>132179131
Islam may be just as much bullshit as christianity but at least its not based on the teachings of a pussy

>>132202091
>ESV
Go DR or KJV if you want an English translation.

>>132202153
Islam, like Judaism is predicated on the the mindset that everybody not in your tribe or who doesn't submit to your belief system is a lesser being who deserves to be treated like an animal at all costs.

Christianity is based on the radical notion that even shitty people are also God's children. You might try going through what Jesus did with resolve before calling him a pussy.

>>132201709
same buddy
cheers

>>132202263
He was suggesting it those uncomfortable with EME
all new translations are cucked, but NIV is especially so
and DR is based off the vulgate so that's a no-no

>>132179131
OP, I need your tele number if you are a practicing orthodox Christian and look like an adult version of the picture. I am 6' 2'' and an engineer and go to church.

>>132202540
Christians still believe that non believers go to hell

>>132179131
Niggerfag you are cucked by jews. Jesus is a hystoricized for social control. Go molest an alter boy faget. Anime is gay.

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>>132195625
>John Paul II
hmmmm

>>132202711
I'm post Vatican-II so I never heard a word about satan or hell, let alone believed nonbelievers would go there.

If you want my personal beliefs about what I think that's all about based on the little I know I'll tell you. But you'd probably do better to learn for yourself.

>>132179131
Make America Christian Again

>>132202579
>Based off Vulgate
Nothing wrong with that.

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>>132185097
EEEYYYY
(Don't kill us pls)

How cancerous are those new nondenominational churches?

I was raised catholic, but I'm considering going to a nondenominational church as I'm fresh out of college and looking for a wife. They seem to have a much better social atmosphere and younger demographics than traditional churches.

>>132203255
Give it a shot I guess. I hear a lot of them are pretty OK, and if that's your venue for landing a decent wife then I guess that's OK.

I've been to some that just really rubbed me the wrong way.

>>132179131
Im with the greek orthodox church, but I wish there was a german orthodox church...

>>132202879
Issue is America was founded by freemasons/deists and freemasonry, being founded on the Jewish Kabbalah, and especially with the "freedom of religion", which is very masonic.

>>132203255
I was invited to one, didn't go but a friend did. Told me that it's unlike Catholic and Orthodox churches where it's fairly quiet (sans priest talking or the traditional organ/hymns and the like).

>>132201448
That picture makes me tear up a little.

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>>132188462
the pantheon part of that pic is completely wrong, there is a lot of afrikan umbanda in Brazil and the pantheon is composed of mostly demons and spirits that do your bidding if you sacrifice animals to them. also their idols are all black

>>132179131
Hey losers.

>>132203224

>>132192512
Protestant who prefers KJV here.
I unironically find it easier to read than NIV.

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>>132203731
thats not good enough to just prefer it
you have to know of the satanic manipulation

or you could learn something totally contradictory to the word of god

>>132179131
Can god sin?

>>132204030
Oh I know of the manipulation. It makes me very sad because my parents got me a personalized NIV bible when I was confirmed but I can't in good conscience use it.

It's one thing to change words, but removing entire verses isn't acceptable.

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>>132203489
no it wasn't, but it was hijacked later.

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>>132197277
>he doesn;t know the truth

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>>132204767
>It wasn't
The Constitution is a freemasonic document and many "founding fathers with the exception of John Quincy Adams, were.

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>>132203641
>that flag
pedos gtfo

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>>132205021
washington himself was mason, but he did say and wrote in some book that he realized what they are he simply walked out. he could walk out, because he wasn't that deep into the game. which is probably impossible for todays initiates as they are somehow bounded by life. i don't know. i've noticed that lots of people are bashing washington, but they should try to research further on it.

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New video from Mr. E that lightly goes into heresies of the modern church.

>http://www.rockingphilosophy.com/2017/07/destroying-christianity-from-within.html

On another note, earlier today some anon mentioned about how there would be a large falling away before the end and it rather struck a chord with me. Do any historianons here know if we've seen such a global move away from faith the in past? Because it certainly feels like faith is dying.

I feel like shit. Got drunk this weekend, ended up taking amphetamine and fapping to porn. Everytime I fall into the same stupid and obvious traps, because I'm weak and easily tempted. I'm too ashamed to pray even. I often feel completely worthless and unworthy of His love, I can't shake off this feeling that I am doomed.

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>>132185097
>>132203244
Hey, lads.

>>132205773
Franklin was also a mason.

Thomas Jefferson, why not publicly declared a mason, was a deist, and helped with the creation of the the "Delcaration of Rights of Man" another definite masonic document.

Freemasonry is liked at all in Catholcism and Orthodoxy, but they've infiltrated all sects of Christianity hoping to take down Christianity.

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>>132185097
>>132203244
>>132205938

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>>132205974
sure. it's high likely that some of them were, but you would never have a nation that would work if all of them were masons. it would be commieism from the start. and yeah, they are everywhere, no surprise there.

>>132205920
This this this this this

>this this this this this

>>132205920
Cry out, repent, ask for his forgiveness, confess everything. Jesus loves you and will always be there for you. Ask God for strength to not repeat your past behaviors. You have to meet him half way though, he gives you what you need to overcome but won't carry you over each pitfall himself. You need to demonstrate your willingness to obey and better yourself.

>>132206374
There's a reason Franco and Hitler kicked them out of their countries, they're subversive and very Jew like in practice. Freemasonry is Judaism-lite.

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>>132206769
>you must be new

>>132206531
I have done this many times, I am a convinced christian, but I am also a fool and feel really ashamed to turn to Him after the n-th time that I've knowingly given in to something sinful. I fear that He will lose all patience with me, or worse.

I do know what the fear of God means now.

>>132205821
It's really sad.
Even the southern baptists are having to accept homosexuality now because of it. It's one thing to love the sinner hate the sin and another to love the sinner and tolerate or encourage the sin because it brings in more people. Sadly a lot of churches find themselves in that position because the youth predominantly subscribes to the same leftist values that caused the falling away in the first place. If the church would have held firm we'd potentially have a spiritual beach head to hold back the globalist tide. And it's just baffling that people can't see this happening.