Employers can't figure out why Millenials job hop

>do what they get paid to do
>why don't they do additional work for free???
fucking boomers, die already

let's see. I don't need to spend money to feel good. also I will not fund third world niggers to replace german population. Let normies work, I've been living the life of a 16yo on summer break for the past 8 years now.

Millennials figured out that there is no point in working. Pro-asset price inflation policies of the past several decades now make it mathematically impossible to gain ground or even tread water.

Only true hope is for an economic reset that deflates assets and brings a new equilibrium to form a stable basis for the new generations to grow.

>55% not engaged

Wait until they find out that we aren't coming back to change their adult diapers or finance their retirements either.

>>132176924
We have this fucking thread everyday. It's simple.

>I want my job to be about myself
>This job isn't about myself
>I'm leaving

>>132176924
>Joel ((((Stein)))

like clockwork

>>132176924
Hmm, I wonder why people don't care enough about making other people rich at a company they have no stake it...

>>132176924
Caring about my job is above my pay grade.

>>132176924
I've job hopped since I was 18. In the past 5 years I've had 9 jobs. Got laid off once and fired in another because I was having bad reactions to the chemical that I used (pest control.) Every other one I've quit due to low pay or low/no hours. The longest I've worked in a company is 1 year and I quit because I was promoted to a position that gave worthwhile experience (ICP machine for analysis) but I was treated like shit, given no help, and 2nd shift (I was on 3rd) cut corners and I suffered due to it so I left. Doesn't help that my shift supervisor was transferred and the new one I got was bad. 2nd is half a year as a security guard and I left because of management, again. Got a job recently as a CNC operator that'll do some welding so I'm looking forward to that.

The problem is that a lot of people are doing jobs they dislike and the supervisors/managers aren't doing their jobs to engage and retain their employees and instead treat them like shit. It's easier to job hop and hope for a better staff than it is to get a new supervisor or replace management.

>>132177597
>Being engaged with your job
Try being engaged when management are fucking retards and you can see the train wreck they're causing a mile away. There's a major problem in quality of supervisors, managers, and corporate. It's not a surprise that this is never reported on and instead it devolves to "It's the employees fault for not dealing with bullshit.

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Its the catch 22 of employers needing everyone to have "5 years experience" for their first job.


I've read an article recently about the skills shortage in the workforce and the cultural shift from training employees to expecting to hire people will a full skill set.

Millennials are disengaged with their jobs because its becoming far more unusual for an employer to train an employee. Baby boomers started at the bottom and worked their way up, they got training on the job and had the support of their employer.These days employers expect you to have 100 of the skills needed to do a job before you apply. University has never given anyone a full skill set. There has always been a need for on the job training but employers have forgotten this.

I think the recession has played a role in this too. When a company is doing well its a logical choice to invest back into training a workforce, but if you have a struggling company it can seem better to get a quick fix for immediate results by employing someone who is overqualified for a position because you don't want to spare the time and energy on training.

Hard to be "engaged" when you are slaving for retard boomer managers & owners who fuck up left right & center and would sell you out for an extra dollar and not even feel remorse

I mean I'll do it for the bread but I don't know how I could possibly be expected to care

>be told you will jump through 5+ careers in your life and this is normal and fine so be prepared for it
>also told to stop being selfish and just stick to one dead end work station and put some effort into it you uppity serf

The printing press was a mistake

>>132176924
Cause I don't care about my job whatsoever. It's there to pay rent and pay for food, and occasionally some weed or smokes. I don't give a shit about my company, nor do they care about me. I will not go above and beyond for a company that doesn't give a shit about me, nor should the expect me to.

i can't even get hired for one job. fuck these people.

>force you to put in overtime completely unpaid
>expect you to have at least a decade of experience by the time you get out of college
>job training is non existent
>people are hired and fired constantly
>employers have zero loyalty to their employees

huh, really makes you think...

>>132177919
Care to link the article? This seems like the most logical explanation I have heard yet.

>>132177463
You're worse than a third world nigger.

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>>132176924

>Another 16% of millennials are actively disengaged, meaning they are more or less out to do damage to their company

based

Really the whole thing is just insulting at this point. It's nothing but boomers and the angry Gen Xers trying to shift the blame for absolutely everything. You want a real reason why people job hop? Because companies made it clear a long time ago that they don't give a shit about retaining employees and think that 'Careers' are reserved for family members.

I once negotiated a shit ton of basic things with one of my first employers during my final interview that were all agreed upon - 2 weeks vacation, overtime, pay for any additional training that's needed and pay for recertification as necessary. They said that was fine, but couldn't meet my price point initially, flat out told me 'We can't do that now, but within a year we'll bump you up until you're at that point." Year goes by, I then bring it all up again, even go so far as to write out everything else I've done that's above and beyond the scope of my job, point out savings and growth in everything I had a hand in. They flat out told me "I see that and if I could I'd give you this amount that's over what we negotiated, but we just can't do that at this time. all I can do is 5% raise." I knew he was trying to get me to negotiate, but FFS, I already negotiated a year previously. I told him thanks and that I would use up the rest of my vacation time and then work for the next two weeks as a professional courtesy. I already knew that they were paying a family member far more than me for less work and I simply wasn't going to play that game.Call me stupid or whatever, but at some point you have to stand up for yourself and I don't take kindly to being jewed.

At least I had a nice title to put on my resume.

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>>132176924
>Joel Stein
Good goys here belive it's the boomers/genX/millenials fault things are fucked up and dont realise ((they)) just distract you to hate other generations.

>>132176924
>WHY YOU NOT WORKING FOR ME GOY? DONT YOU REMEMBER 666 GORILLIONS?

Probably because my wage is capped, so I either need to curry favor among my bosses so the promote me over some fag who probably doesn't deserve it, or find another job where the income ceiling is higher.

Bearing in mind that I did spend almost a decade at one job who refused to not just increase my wage, but also refused to give me more hours so I could have more income. Now I'm at a job of 3+ years and it's more of the same.

>>132177463
Invest in small companies in the stock market whose stock are around a dollar or less. Live off yhe dividends when you're older, for now live off Govt gibs.

There's going to be a natural boomer genocide in less than 10 years, just remember that when you read what these people say about you my friends. When they are gone, we get to write the history books and we get to choose how they are remembered, this is why the slander us now hoping to get the jump on us.

FUCK BOOMERS

>>132178290

I don't know man. It was titled something like "The workplace skills deficit" but cant remember where I found it.

I'm a millennial with a white collar job and I plan on leaving after I hit the one year mark. This study means nothing because millennials are just starting their careers and are hopping jobs to get to the line of work they couldn't get straight out of college. And fug what employers think, I'm a mercenary. If I can make $20k more by switching over to a more exciting job you're Damn right I'm gonna do it. Luckily I think that most people in my industry are mature enough to understand that it's nothing personal, just business.

It's another millennials are useless entitled shits episode.

>>132178751

Companies aren't loyal to their employees.

Why would you expect the employees to be loyal to them?

My grandfather got a gold watch from his company after ten years of working there.

Where he worked you could easily expect to have the job for the rest of your life if you wanted it.

If you want loyalty from your employees be worth being loyal to.

>>132178118

>I don't give a shit about my company, nor do they care about me

This here. I've only ever worked for one company that did not treat me like a disposable robot, and I'm still working for them years later.

Employers these days don't want to have to deal with human beings at all, and it shows.

>>132176924
>Doing more than what you're paid to do

How cucked can you be?

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>>132177919
>spare time and energy on training
They barely put any energy into training you at all, considering that they have idiots that do it for them.

>>132176924

Here is my experience my fellow Anons

33 year old IT guy here. I have done it all from Helpdesk to Systems Admin to Network Admin.

Why do I job hop as an older millennial? Simple... because the baby boomers will not fucking retire. They stay at their jobs until they are 70 like jaded fucking cops just maximizing their retirement portfolios and social security while making life miserable for everyone.

I didn't get the managerial position I was finally reaching for until I was 32 because the baby boomers never fucking leave/die.

Loyalty is for dogs

>>132178808
>I'm instantly replaceable, why does nobody respect me or give me a gold star for doing my job?
Face it most of you need employers more than the employers need your ass.

I was just promoted to management today. I'm looking for ways to keep morale up while getting the job done faster. What do you recommend?

>>132177210

That's not what that said at all faggot.

But being a souless german i wouldn't expect you to understand passion.

>>132179151
Fire everyone who isn't white and male.

Who cares if millennials job hop?

It's good for the capitalist economy.

It's bad for socialism.

Socialists are pissed off that freedom and liberty is still recognized in the U.S.

The socialists will learn when they dip to new lows hiring the worst of the worst people at minimum wage.

Shitty workers can destroy your business, all it takes is one unsanitary nigger to wipe the poop from his ass and not care to wash his hands while fixing up a meal for the customers.

All it takes is that one drug addicted illegal to run over a customer at a car wash.

>>132179151
Don't micromanage is all I can offer

>>132179200
I work with minorities so that's a no

>>132176924
>Enact right to work laws in most states.
>Employers get pissed when their employees leave without notice, as right to work laws permit.
>Employers think they are in the right when the fire people without warning after they worked for the company for years.
Loyalty to a business stopped being worth it about 20 years ago, there is no point in being loyal when businesses do not reciprocate it.

I worked at my last job for 5 years. Got promoted to supervisor even.
They kept fucking me over, so I left. Then they got all mad about it. Fuck them. You reap what you sow.

>>132179134
>Face it most of you need employers more than the employers need your ass.

Apparently not, judging by all the crying of these articles.

>>132176924
>>Not engaging millennial workers is a big miss for organizations. The millennial workforce is predominantly "checked out" -- not putting energy or passion into their jobs. They are indifferent about work and show up just to put in their hours.

Where do they get this stuff? Most people in my age cohort I know are very motivated people, they volunteer, etc. Of course there are stoner losers in every generation but millennials are pretty dedicated compared to those shiftless gen x'ers.

>>132176924
>Make it so the very concept of "working your way up" is a fantasy
>"WHY DOES NOBODY WANT TO WORK THIS DEAD END JOB FOREVER REEEEEEEE"

>>132179151
Don't be a fucking dick and reprimand the slackers. Few things are more demoralizing than busting your ass off and seeing your coworker doing jack shit. Also don't micromanage unless you absolutely fucking have to. Don't be passive aggressive and let people know when they're fucking up.

>>132176924
26 here, been with my company for 5 years. Not planning on leaving any time soon, I've built up 5 weeks of PTO and it'll max out at 6 weeks/year once I hit my 10 years. Shit is cozy.

>>132176924
you can't get a raise until you tell them you've found a new job in my experience, it's the only way they open the checkbook

>>132179151
Quit immediately.

Then why do you fucktards keep hiring them over me

>>132179080

Exactly true.

I'm in a very similar situation. My workplace is packed with people aged 60-70 who are so far out of touch with modern tech they contribute nothing and in fact slow us down because we have to keep trying to teach them the same thing over and over, and fix their mistakes. Yet they just hang on year after year -- earning close to $100K with six weeks vacation -- just fucking parasites. But because it's a union shop they can't be forced out. The company keeps offering them buyouts and they're very rarely taken because the seniors know they've got a sweet gig. Most of them are set for life --
it's not about the money. They're destroying the company and younger peoples' lives just so they can have somewhere to go every morning.

I hope to fuck I'm not like that in a few decades.

>>132176924

>1980-1996
>born in 1998
>been self-identifying as Millennial

Am I not?

>>132179391
This.

>>132177463
>t. pretentious faggot neet

>>132176924

>remove pension programs
>remove training, replace with sink or swim
>offer 3% COLA raises yearly
>if you're competent recruiters banging down your door offering 20%+ raises per job hop after a 2 year stint at a company

Wow, really hard to figure this one out. Turns out when you treat your employees as replaceable 'resources' your employees who aren't mongoloids will treat your company the same way you treat them. Economics in action. Fuck you, pay me.

The older generations had pension plans that incentivized an employee to stay with a company. Now most retirement plans are private except for government ones. It's easier to job hop and get 10% increase in pay instead of waiting for dumbass HR to (maybe) approve a raise for an existing employee.

At the same time, management really looks at employees as expendable and only focus on increasing the value of their stock holdings.
When my grandfather died the company executives flew in a private jet to his funeral. That would never happen now. Bosses barely know your name, so fuck em

They leave because they don't get a raise or they got fired.

When there's no path to moving up in a business so you can make a better life for yourself, there is no reason to become attached to an individual business.

Also:
>Not engaging millennial workers is a big miss for organizations. The millennial workforce is predominantly "checked out" -- not putting energy or passion into their jobs. They are indifferent about work and show up just to put in their hours.
What are they expecting? That these people would work the entirety of their work hours and then decide to do extra work for free? If businesses want you to work extra then they are supposed to pay overtime, as in the time that goes over the allotted time they were meant to be working which in turn is meant to be paid for. People don't do shit for free.

>>132179272
I run the line and make sure my workers are moving quickly. Some of the things I do is offer then water or help whenever they need it. Even though I'm management I was a line worker just yesterday

>>132179441
That is pretty below average desu. My wife gets 2 weeks paid vaca per year as a teller at a bank.

>>132179151
Pizza party every month.

>>132176924
here's why I want to job hop - because the quality of work environments is piss poor in large companies and engage in banal double speak in which they say how much they value your input and efforts but really they want you to shut the fuck up, follow orders and never say a word

Right now we're seeing a exodus of employees who have been with the company for 20+ years because they are sick of being micro managed to death which never used to be the case. Sure, this has opened a ton of opportunities but we're bleeding experience fast and no succession plans are in place.

>>132178454
It is the boomers fault for allying with the jews though. I suppose you could also make the case that is was the silent gen's fault for fighting Hitler.

>>132179357
It's an inconvenience and an expense finding someone new, yes but none of you do anything particularly crucial.

>>132178648
In about 10 years you'll all be automated out of a job anyway so I don't know why you're celebrating.

>>132177919
Nailed it. My dad walked into his boss's office, fresh out of college with a pregnant wife and basically zero experience with programming. The company took a risk on him, trained him, and within five years he worked his way up to head of network security in an era where most people were still wrapping their heads around computers.

Today that same company doesn't even offer employee training.

>>132179491
It's a range, but 2000 is the hard cutoff.

>get job
>expected to do 2 people's worth of work for one person's worth of salary
>bunch of older employees who are incompetent but stick around because everyone works until they're 70 and they're hogging up all the normally 20-something entry level positions
>get more responsibilities tacked onto job
>expected to take a pay cut despite working triple what was agreed upon when hired
>job hop
>rinse, repeat
>get called a lazy/unambitious/X millennial for not wanting to do what is basically space labor after taxes and insurance chews up each paycheck

>>132176924
if employers aren't loyal their employees, why should the reverse be true?

>>132179645

I do the work of 7 people.

You can't find anyone who has the efficiency I do.

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>>132179388

Being an older millennial that manages younger millennials I will say that it is about 50/50. In my experience millenials are good about asking questions and I love that. Our clients are mainly baby boomers and they are always very intimidated by technology and will break shit before asking us to put out the fire.

I have positive and negative feelings about both generations. I don't particularly identify with either. I guess if I was pushed I would say I would prefer to work with an intelligent boomer if not only because of the innate shortcomings of youth (those under 25 approximately) but that has nothing to do with generational deficiencies.

>>132178877
i blame social media. It's responsible for normies.

>>132176924

The money is shit.
Adjusted for inflation in the 1950s the minimum wage was around $20 bucks an hour. In reality you got paid about a dollar but with a dollar?
One hour of work?
You could EASILY take a girl out for a really nice date. Dinner, movie, maybe something else.
Today? You have to work about 6-8 hours minimum wage to take a girl out on a date.
That's ludicrous.
Everything has gotten more expensive and the value of the dollar is such a piss poor thing that kids just don't get that motivated.
Money motivates in capitalism.
Thanks to boomers our economy is entirely wrecked. Thus? Millennials just aren't too keen on busting their ass for potato chips.

>>132178251
Same. Job market sucks ass right now.

>>132176924
>Why don't millenials want to work?

Entry level jobs just don't pay the bills, without a bachelors or a technical mastery. I job hopped up until I was 26, and had enough experience to get a job that paid $18, 4 years ago.

>>132179080
Yep, my immediate boss (VP level) is a Boomer in his 60's. I'm in a management position, and a Millennial, but there are several other managers on my level who are Gen X who can't move up unless some of the other Boomer VPs retire. We recently had some layoffs and restructuring, which helped the Gen X folks, so that's a bonus, I suppose.

>>132179645
>In about 10 years you'll all be automated out of a job anyway so I don't know why you're celebrating
Holy fuck he actually bought into the automation propaganda, kek

>>132177210
This. And there is no loyalty from employers anymore. Our parents and grandparents were able to take jobs woth little or no experience or eduaction and receive steady promotion amd pay increases and receive pensions.

Now employers want masters plus 5 years experience for entry level postitions where you work 50-60 hours a week for a salary. They offer shitty retirement plans and as soon as the company sells out or is aquired all the employees get shit canned and receive a pat on the back on their way out the door.

Boomers are not retiring to make room in upper level positions. They are a cancer and need to fucking die already.

I keep changing jobs because I want to be paid more. I don't even want alot, I have a good resume, a degree and 8 years of military background. I work 2 jobs, 7 days a week, roughly 55-60 hours a week and I don't make 30k after taxes, or even before for that matter. I don't really mind because I live in a great town and I'm happy but most jobs don't pay shit. My main jo I make 14 an hour, no benefits and my weekend job is minimum wage. I'm always looking for something better because I'm not asking for much. 30-33k and a 401k would be nice. I don't need benefits because I can go to the VA.

Boomers refuse to die/leave the workforce and business owners expect people to love within their measly existence while working at a level in which the owners profits expand, all the while the owner doesn't live within their means. I'm a capitalist but older people are greedy as fuck.

My generation isn't without its faults but I think the ones who are active in the workforce are extremely active and work hard and receive very little for it.

American BTW.

>>132179608
Good call on all those, just be straight up with those working under you, don't bullshit (or bully) them and don't promise them anything you know you can't fulfill, IE everything you should already know.

>>132179134

> Face it most of you need employers

If that was true, why is job hopping so easy?

There are no shortage of jobs.

I can work for overtime at 60 hours a week for 8 months then afford to work part time for 4 months as a big vacation.

Socialists are going crazy because they realize their liberal dream of authoritarian slavery is falling apart as it has no substrate to grow roots in such a system in America.

Not my fault lazy ignorant wannabe elitists need 100k job to buy an automatic transmission corvette in order to feel special.

I just buy a older WRX, do some mods and my street car still has a bigger dick... wut?

>>132179481
Do you work in a factory? Sounds like Chrysler in my town. I'm also part of a union and in the next 3 years there will be a large turnover. Our pension has something called a drop program where it freezes your pension and forces you to commit to retiring in 3 years. Every percent you accumulate until your retirement date is paid out in a lump sum. It makes it so the city can plan a little easier.

>>132179623
>2 weeks
vs
>5 weeks
What do you think the average vacation time is in the country?

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>>132176924
>work at company
>another company will pay more or is closer to home
>person uses experience from your company to get that job which the employee sees as better
>complain that people don't have loyalty
What these companies won't admit is that they offer shit or a low minimum and expect people to slave away 30-40 years of their life for the companies financial gain.

FUCK YOU
If someone offers me a better deal than the scraps and bread crust you offer then I'm taking the deal that at least gives me a paper cup of water included

>>132176924
>Why don't millenials want to work?

They do want to work. What they don't want to do is implement solved problems. Busy work, the kind of shit that can be automated by machines, is toxic to millenaisl. They want to solve new, original challanges that haven't been done before instead of breaking themselves over stupid fucking assembly line work that machines should be doing.

kill yourself if you disagree

>>132179151
Mandatory crazy hat day everyday.

>>132179747
I too can make up shit on the internet.

>>132179862
>Propaganda
My little syrupnigger can't be this retarded!

>>132179272

> Don't micromanage

How about don't be a nigger and stop being a lazy shitty business relying on writing off losses so the government can give you welfare checks for being in the red every year.

;)

>>132179975
Oh, nvm I read that as you got 5 weeks over 5 years my bad.

Only way to grow your wage is to job hop. What's hard to understand.

I worked for a company for 3 years (loyalty since they gave me a job after 4 years of NEEThood), no promotions, no raises aside from inflation adjustment, more and more responsibilities, so i used all the shit i learned at work to get a junior management position at another company, after a year and a promotion i went back to that first company and got an extra 30 fucking grand a year doing LITERALLY the same job i was before with better hours, better benefits, better everything.

Laughed about it with my boss who was now my colleague how they could have saved themselves replacing me and spending 6 months looking for the position i just filled if they straight promoted me.

>>132178685
>white collar
>exciting

Explain what you do please. I have a white collar job right out of college as well and the most exciting part of the day is when I leave.

>>132176924
Maybe they would if they offered pensions

>>132179304
You don't have to work with them if you fire then

>>132179940
I warn the slackers. Where I work the other managers are to friendly to the line workers and let them slide with everything. On my first day I had to write up one of my workers for not meeting quota. Now people respect me even more but tell me I'm changing to quickly

>>132176924

>soulless corporate harpies and white collar nu male cucks dominate big companies
>they will suck your soul out and make you like them
>they will make you police your own words and your own thoughts
>they will pretend as though they have given you the greatest favor in the world by giving you employment
>they will hold the threat of unemployment over your head in subtle ways to make you always uneasy and nervous

Fuck it all I should've stayed a NEET. Also FUCK THE GOVERNMENT for taking 1/3 of my already shitty paycheck and giving it to worthless niggers and other minorities

>>132177919
There's no training because their wages are too high to stack on top of training. I wouldn't want to pay someone minimum 15 plus tax and benefits and then give them classes to boot. Lower or remove the minimum wage and suddenly non minimum wage jobs feel like they pay enough with related price drops, and employers can afford to train their employees.

>>132179833
The Creature from Jekyll Island

>>132180054

>I too can make up shit on the internet.

When I worked in Medicaid for Hewlett Packard (Why is this allowed anyway?) I was entering and adjudicating ~250 cases a day.

I was doing the work of 4 departments by myself.

I left after 2 years because I never got a raise, and their protocol was soul-killing.

>>132179491
Millennial is a catch-all term for 3 distinct generations. Those who grew up without the internet, those who grew up with he development of it, and those who grew up into it. It's why I think it's pretty fucking stupid.

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>>132176924

>Why don't millennials want to work?

1. Facebook and keeping up with the Joneses also because of stuff like linked-in ,the grass is always greener.

2. If you're working for a company that actively outsources to the third world it destroys morale. Your job could go to India at any time.They company is not even loyal to the nation let alone you, why do they expect more in return?

3. "Muh diversity" destroys morale as well, the Putnam study showed it lowered trustworthiness in neighborhoods even between the melanin un-enriched.

4. The PC minefield wherein you can get fired for telling the wrong joke. In industries with high turnover it can be used as one of the many excuses to get rid of employees that have hung on too long.

All of this makes employees feel like disposables and replaceable cogs rather than members of a community (I for one have witnessed people getting pushed out of a company and screwed out of their pension for almost non-reasons). Boomers move around less because they a.)have formed relationships before the current workplace culture came to a head - so the rules don't really apply to them, they either are management or have strong ties to it so don't feel threatened as much . and b.) have less opportunity to move around because of ageism (ironically).

99% of milienials articles are from people complaining why they are willing to be cucked by their gf but not their employer, housing market, cable company, etc

>>132176924
>Get paid shit
>Rarely get promoted
>Raises are fucking shit
>More overtime with no pay
>Benefits are slowly being stripped away
>Expect people to be loyal

I can't really speak for corporations but I've had experience with a couple of ad agencies and they fucking suck.

>>132180113

Boomers are mad because they thought they could trap millennials.

It's why the majority of boomers voted for Hillary and their socialist dream.

>>132180100
Ah, sorry. Shit phrasing on my part.

>>132177919
This so much, my dad started out a high school dropout sweeping the factory floors at night and worked his way up all the way to plant manager. He was trained on everything from machining to robotics during his career and got paid while doing it. I get out of college and can't find a single damn thing better than McDonalds or Walmart.

>>132180054
I bet you think UBI is a good idea to, fucking retarded bong

>>132180041
>they don't want to do busy work

Are you familiar with what a job is?

>>132178685

In and of itself there's nothing wrong with moving around like that. You can generally increase your compensation more shopping around like that than you would get from raises in the same position.

In all fairness too, most businesses aren't particularly loyal to their employees. I mean they're about as loyal as they can be expected, but at the end of the day, they have a lot of other people they have to keep happy (shareholders, customers, other employees, etc.). If it's necessary to ensure the business survives and thrives, you better believe they will let your ass go in a heartbeat. That's just the way things work. Employees should operate the same way and always be putting their own welfare and interests ahead of some company and "loyalty."

>>132176924
A lot of it is lack of opportunity for advancement. i don't know the reason why, whether it's the economy or some kind of shady boardroom tactic, but a lot of employers don't want to train people for management, so advancement is limited. you have to job hop to find a place willing to take on a new manager. At least that's what happens in tech.

>>132176924
I worked at a company that hired a lot of young people. They actually did a fair job at weeding them out.

However the company, mostly old boomers, cared only about money. They'd tell the staff and young kids "You guys are an expense, you're replaceable".

They set in place unspoken policies, especially the HR, who got a chunk of budget every year. If everyone was an idiot and fucked up, the HR people would get to keep more of the money.

It costs less to pay for someone who will only be there a year or two, than it is to pay for someone that has been their 5 years. Or so their thinking went.

I watched these bright, engaged young people just droop and stop caring when they got treated like shit by the old boomers, who were just out for more and more money.

>>132176924
>Unattached to organizations and institutions, people from this generation

They've learned from them as these organizations and institutions show no loyalty to their workforce.

>>132177841
>The problem is that a lot of people are doing jobs they dislike and the supervisors/managers aren't doing their jobs to engage and retain their employees and instead treat them like shit. It's easier to job hop and hope for a better staff than it is to get a new supervisor or replace management.

I think this is a huge problem. Alot of places I had worked at provided no training whatsoever and it's always been a "hurry up and learn or you'll be gone soon". And alot of managers ive dealt with have been fucking terrible.

>>132179391
This

>>132180215
Sounds like you know what you're doing then, keep on trucking anon.

>>132180415
Yes. My job involves solving problems that don't have extant solutions. If the solution existed already we'd just pull it off of github or whatever and shove it in our codebase. Busywork is the sign of economic inefficiency.

>>132179964
>If that was true, why is job hopping so easy?
Because half your working age population is on fucking welfare.

>>132177919
Protip: (((skills shortage))) and (((labor shortage))) are the globalist's calling card and are just excuses for even more cheap labor/demographic replacement. No company actually has any real problems finding workers.

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>>132180022
>Companies expect me to give them 2 weeks notice when another job is offering 5 dollars more with better benefits and work hours

>>132180500
It's because there's a divide between managers and the hourly employees. They don't know what's going on and if there's a horrible supervisor nothing gets done about it since retaliation is a real thing that happens. Plus it's impossible to get rid of a terrible manager because they also have scapegoats. Only reason the lab manager in my lab got fired was due to sexual harassment but if he was higher ranked he would've just been relocated.

>>132180348
sales and marketing sound stressful regardless

>>132180487
>It costs less to pay for someone who will only be there a year or two, than it is to pay for someone that has been their 5 years. Or so their thinking went.
It's funny, turnover is fucking expensive. But, it's not a line-item cost, and so many people aren't cognizant of it as a result.

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Millennials are not compatible with life.

>>132177919
This might be where costco succeeds.

Pretty much everyone comes in at the bottom of the ladder and learns the positions from scratch. Not horseshit with "please have 5 years experience in these twenty things".

People move around and learn different positions.

Then they become managers if they want to and hopefully they're decent at it because they were all once the pleb pushing carts or wrapping hotdogs.

Might be the mandatory pay rises every 6-8 months too. Or the pension they still have. Or the health benefits they still offer. Or the bonus payments they give out to longer term employees. Hmm.

>>132176924
Why care about a heartless company that doesn't care about you? The vast majority of companies will drop your ass in a heartbeat if you effect the bottom line negatively.

>>132177919

> employers needing everyone to have "5 years experience" for their first job.

This is the boomer business owner culture because they;

1.) don't want to train
2.) don't want to pay well
3.) don't want to invest

It's hilarious because the boomers wanted the younger generation to be all on board with a socialist slave system but the younger generation chose capitalism.

Why work for a muffler shop when you can turn your small residential garage into a shop.

Capitalism and freemarket makes the older generation cringe.

>>132176924
>They are indifferent about work and show up just to put in their hours.

Employers will fire anybody the moment it is economically feasible to do so. H1Bs, moving a function or department overseas, automation, etc. Many large companies are super SJW as well, supporting LGBT, refugees, etc. So fuck 'em.

I'm make my money, tuck it away, and stay as long as I can or until I find something better after 18-24 months.

They also don't pay shit for benefits, and salaries as a whole are much lower than they were 10 years ago. And they expect people to work like slaves with overtime, etc.

>>132176924
My supervisor at a GOOD F500 company literally trained me using youtube videos...

It's sad to say after all my college and work exp this is the best I'll ever get.

My company literally has a corvette club while I get 800 bucks a week, and drive a 2003 Honda.

in ten years I'll be 39 and I can't wait until 40 when I plan on an hero-ing

Fuck the boomers!

Boomers killed all the things that make a person feel personally attached to the company. Things like stock ownership, good pensions, and yearly bonuses all got cut.

You'd have to be pretty stupid to behave like a "company man" with that shit of a deal.

>>132176924
Ugh, maybe because inflation and corporate rape of the economy has reward/cost ratio to the point of oblivion for millenials. We do the work we do because we have to eat. None of us are exactly living the high life or paying off mortgages since the banks used their fiat scheme to seize all real assets from the boomers.

>>132177919
Bingo I just graduated with an IT degree and every job I've applied for/ interviewed at expects you to have 2 years experience in multiple areas for fucking jobs listed as entry level. Shit I saw a damn QA tester position asking for fucking 5 years experience in SQL for entry level. It's insane. Some of the expectations I've heard from managers in interviews is unreal. I don't know how they would expect someone coming out of school to be able to do what they ask even if they had done internships since they were sophmores.

>>132179491
You're Gen Z

>>132180895

>800/week
>Fortune 500 company

Are you an inside sales wage slave? Customer service rep?

>>132176924
>Why don't millenials want to work?
Why do you want to work?

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>>132180834
>boomers wanted the younger generation to be all on board with a socialist slave system but the younger generation chose capitalism.

>>132180575

> Because half your working age population is on fucking welfare.

So am I and I still work.

I'm not married interracially with a jewish family that gives me a desk job checking emails for the family business all day long while niggers and spics work for $9.00 per hour doing hard labor.

What ever will we do?

>>132178251
Move! You dumb fuck!

>>132179080
>They stay at their jobs until they are 70 like jaded fucking cops just maximizing their retirement portfolios and social security while making life miserable for everyone.

Part of this is because their kids are unable to get decent jobs, so it ends up making more sense for them to keep working than to give up their well paying jobs. I know my mom is like this, she makes more than me and my three siblings combined, so to she thinks of it as practically a necessity for her to keep working just to ensure we're able to have stable lives in case she passes on. Bit depressing, but she's a bit of a pessimist about our prospects (though bit more positive in regards to me at least).

>>132180321
Kek

>>132179740
this

>>132176924
I would blame it on racial diversity, millennials are the first generation to have to deal with large scale ethnic diversity and the implications that come from that such as less happiness, less civic participation, less community participation, isolation etc....

>companies pretending they're employee-loyal

>>132180949
You're supposed to just apply anyway since most people can't meet the requirements anyway and the ones that can aren't about to change jobs into an entry level position

>>132180693
I can't speak for sales but for marketing (specifically digital marketing, which I do) it's not stressful if you're decent at your job. The problem is that it's constantly changing and you really have to be on top of the newest trends. Even if you take a few months off from learning new things, you fall way behind the competition. You constantly have to train and lean about new things.

My biggest complaint is that all my experience at Ad agencies are that all of the CEO's are fucking sociopathic and the business works in the most kikest way possible. Very cheap wages, shitty work environments, overtime with no pay, no training, and they pick the worst possible people to be managers. I'm in the process of interviewing with big name corporations though so thank God for that.

IIRC job hopping pays better than staying at a single company for an extended period of time. Employers have gotten spoiled; if employee morale is shit, instead of improving salaries, benefits, or even just the work environment, they'll import some third worlder that's used to being treated like shit.

>>132180949
It's so they can hire H1B poo-in-loos for a third the wage

>>132180949
> interviewing for jobs

you're doing it wrong. companies hire based off of who you know, not where you sent a job application. Go to industry conventions and schmooze. Make friends. One of them will talk to a C-level and that C-level will make a job for you.

Resumes & job applications are the greatest lie ever told.

>>132181037

You don't really see how deep this goes do you?

> Why don't you kids have any skills?
> We won't hire you unless you have 5 years minimum.
> We as a majority voted democrat and for more welfare
> I guess you kids will just have to take the jobs we offer you

They tried, they tried so hard they actually put the country another 16 trillion in debt to prevent their inflated investments from crashing.

Soon it all comes crashing down.

>>132181225
True. Job-hopping is one of the better ways to increase your salary. If you stick around too long, you'll get stuck with the 2-4% yearly merit increase, or maybe something larger if you get promoted. If you job hop, you're looking at a 10-30% raise whenever you make a move.

>>132181140

Don't get why people don't understand this. If you feel you're qualified, apply. Those listings are their "ideal" (i.e. non-existent) candidate and are often written by HR goons who throw in a bunch of buzzwords and other fluff to make them sound more impressive, and probably also scare off the less serious applicants.

>tfw actively disengaged

Wrench in schlomo's system, goys

>>132177552
Exactly. Humans do things because there is the possibility of reward, accomplishment, or accolades--some form of positive feedback. Modern "work" is just that: empty work with no inherent meaning. You're "working" to make some douchebags at the top--executives and shareholders--rich. Fuck that.

Companies show zero loyalty to their workers, laying them off at a whim and making them reapply to their jobs every years. Meanwhile the CEOs keep getting paid more and more. Why the fuck should we be loyal to our companies?

>>132180541
One of the good managers told me that he doesn't ride the good workers because they get tired out. The whole point of being a manager is to run everything smooth and keep everyone happy. I try to do that but be firm with my workers and if I say I'll buy them a carbonated Jew during brake then that's what I'm going to do

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>>132176924
>Gain experience in Company A
>Company A does not have any capacity or plans for internal promotion
>Company B is seeking someone with same experience for more money
>Go to Company B
>Gain more experience
>Company B does not have any capacity or plans for internal promotion
>Company C is seeking someone with same experience for more money

You get the idea

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>>132181342

>they still unironically think their embezzled pensions exist

>>132176924
because it's usually not worth their bother, why invest in something when all you are getting is the bare minimum?

Companies need to start valuing their workers, otherwise there will be no back scratching.

Millennials are the uncucked

>>132179173
Passion for what you cucked faggot? 95% of people aren't working in an industry or profession they're "passionate" about - they're working so they don't have to live on the fucking streets.

>>132176924
>Not engaging millennial workers is a big miss for organizations. The millennial workforce is predominantly "checked out" -- not putting energy or passion into their jobs.

No shit, it would be weird if someone put passion into being a cashier or working in a fucking factory. Are these people really so naive?

>>132176924
>had three jobs in the past seven years
>one i had the longest was between Aug 2010 and April 2017
>i worked at another one between April 2012 and April 2013
>i started another job in may
>i also went to university between 2010 and 2013

I had three summer jobs when i went to university the first time (2004-2008), plus another between 2008 - 2009

Can't tell if I'm part of the "problem" or ot

>>132176924

Wow, the youngest generation currently in and still entering the workforce has changed jobs a bunch. My dad worked at the same company for 30 years. Before that happened he was employed at 3 other companies following leaving the Marines and getting his degree.

Is the headline that younger workers are less likely to stay employed at the same location for long periods of time? They don't necessarily have houses and families yet.

>>132181050
go fuck yourself

>>132181517
Then we have failed as a society. Workers who don't give a shit about their work aren't productive and are a waste of air

Most companies ive worked at
>no promotions
>raises are rare
>cant talk to coworkers without looking creepy, not worth the risk of talking with people when a fight or hr disaster will eventually happen

It pays more to switch jobs to get your pay increased or a promotion than to get one at your company.

>>132177919
This basically. Competition is crazy wages are down the market is shit, and the youngest generation with the least skills is not very employed? Who woulda thunk.

>>132180701
They had it down to a science.

If an open positioned opened up 3 months before the end of the fiscal year, they would just let it sit.

HR would then push the people there to cover for that position until they got a new person.

>>132180949

There was a part time admin job at a school I saw on a jobs board. They wanted a bachelors and 7 years experience for entry level shit. Lol.

>>132176924
Jobs have 0 fulfillment. An ongoing story over the ages but it has worsened now. You see nothing for your work. Then your boss pays you the absolute minimal amount they can and cut any and all benefits.
When you don't value your employees and they find no value in work then they leave.

I want to work but not for a job I absolutely hate, and not for shit tier pay. I've seen job-regret erode the sanity of my friends and if I commit to a path I want it to be something I believe in, or at least won't regret to the point of depression.

Whether or not I'm loyal to a business is secondary to this, and is largely dependent on what loyalty they show their employees.

>>132181578

Yeah society is collapsing all around us.

I bet you've never worked a real job for longer than a few weeks in your life.

I have been a job-hopper ever since graduating high school. I graduated in 2011, and since then I have had 11 jobs. I have never held a job for longer than a year, except for one, and this was from 2012-2013.

For me, I wasn't able to go to university right away. My father lives in another state and can barely support himself, and my mother is a deadbeat who wouldn't even help me get my drivers license (my gf helped me by letting me practice in her car and use it for the drivers exam, and I didn't even get my license until I was 20). I was forced to enter the workforce right away, so the options available to me were less than desirable. Really bad low-pay factory jobs where they are willing to hire literally anyone, the kind of jobs where they expect you to do way more than what they pay you for. The kind of jobs that people with experience know to stay away from. These jobs had extremely high turnover rates, and despite my status as a job-hopper, I probably had the highest longevity, as I would normally last about 6 months before I had enough, while others would quit before a month was even up.

I don't know why it's like this. Maybe it's because we grow up being told that we can be anything we want to be, but when there are those of us without any kind of support or safety net to fall back on, we get stuck taking the shitiest jobs and become disenfranchised, or maybe just unimpressed and bored.

Anyways, I'm a junior in university now. I don't know if a job I get after graduation will make me want to stay longer than a year, but I'm hoping it won't be anywhere near as bad as tedious manual labor factory work. Maybe by then I'll have enough patience and maturity to stick around and have more dedication.

>>132177597
Boomers will just open the floodgates of immigration if NEETs refuse to participate in the Boomer ponzi scheme.

>>132180687
The 2 weeks notice thing is bullshit.
I've met too many people who told their bosses/managers they're putting in their 2 weeks, just to be told they are fired the next day.

My current boss would do that. But then again the only employees he has that he'll actually do anything for all the Serbian immigrants.

Only reason I "job hop" is because I'm still in uni so I try to work in the summer. However, a lot of places say they don't want someone for just the summer, so I lie about it and work for 3 months and then quit. Obviously I can't go back in since the bosses hate me so I have to move on to another workplace. Rinse and repeat.

>>132181578
Yeah because back in the 1800s all those child labourers were really into the spinning jenny and scrambling up chimneys. Hell my ancestors were proud Welsh dungfarmers, they were really passionate about subsistence farming.

You're all fucking dumb.

>>132181734
bitch please I've worked 2 jobs for the past year and a half because we're making fucking awesome software

>>132181863
And they weren't shit compared to the scientists and explores of their time. The fact that they were child laborours or dungfarmers meant they were exploited, not that shitty work is a good thing kys

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>stop offering pensions or benefits packages worth a damn
>shocked when employees no longer feel loyalty to you

>>132181517

I don't know, even when I was flipping burgers and doing lame part time work, I still challenged myself to improve and be better at what I do.

Most young people especially though just don't have that drive. They're more than content just putting in the bare minimum and coasting through the day. Work is just a means to an end, not something they really care about and think defines them.

>>132181793
Let them. Add another 90% of a demographic fighting with them for their gibs. Lol.

>>132181863
>Hell my ancestors were proud Welsh dungfarmers, they were really passionate about subsistence farming.

Until they fucked up royal and got transported to Emu land, right?

>>132176924
>pay people under 15 for skilled work
>trick the working class to attack the 15 minium wage because "someday I might be rich"
>wonder why people don't like being fucked over by a system that threw them overboard 40 years ago
conservatives and boomers are all cucks

>>132176924
I'll tell you why people this age job hope and show no company loyalty.

The companies have no loyalty either. We grew up with seeing people layer off because they made too much for younger cheaper Indians and foreigners. There's no such thing as a pension with most jobs and 401ks go with you so there no incentive to stay there for retirement either in many cases. Most of the time when you change a job it's for more money. This goes to show the origionally company didn't show enough interest to keep who they have. It's been like that for decades. It's you old and young dumb mother Fulkerson who stick around at shifty fucking jobs who give you a 2% raise every year with no incentive to stay there.

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TruQua dot com

/\ Work this shithole in Shitcago
They intentionally hire Mexican and Chink IT workers to keep pay low
They even have a lawyer whose job is to process H1 visas

Many white Americans with good experience denied jobs

And the few that take them get paid shit

I can provide CEOs address and phone if anyone wants to ruin him and his skank Brazilian wifey

Race
War
Now

>>132176924
Throwing in my input here.

Was working at an iron foundry with shit hours for about 11.50 an hour, left when I found out that I had been working for about a year with the company doing chemical balances on/in the furnance while they hired some other fucker for $13 to grind flash off of the finished product an hour since he was a relative of the supervisor. When I raised a stink about it they told me he had more experience working in a factory then i did, so I up and fucking left. Fuck those guys.

My next job was working in a company based off of incentive pay, second shift (still with this company). Was making about 18-20 an hour, promoted to supervisor, and transferred to my current job because Management could not give a shit about 2nd shift employees in our department. We were the red-headed stepchild given the worst product to make money off of, the most complicated, and since it was incentive pay we got fucked hard because of it. I left after about 3 years, which is a bit longer than what i expected but it established my reputation in the company as a fucking balls to the wall hard worker. Current job I make about 27-30 an hour, and I make 2k a week investing, so after taxes i make about 3-5k a week.

But yeah, the best thing I can say is that if you even have an inkling of a fact that you're getting fucked get out immediately. Be a mercenary, show loyalty only to those who are loyal to you (reason why i stayed on second so long is a lot of those guys are good fucking people, and loyal as shit). But you can't eat loyalty and you cant heat commitment.

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>ask for promotion
>get jewed around
>get a new job
>%15 more dosh instantly

Why bother.

Of all the jobs I've been engaged in in my life (Over 10 jobs) I've really only been engaged in two. My fathers trade (finish work/carpentry/technician design) and a manager of a pizza store. Those were my favorite gigs and right now I'm doing the shit with my father.

I used to wonder as a kid why he wouldn't take a "legitimate" job but now I fucking get it. He's free and happy and isn't bothered by anyone, simultaneously creating and designing new shit. And the pizza place was just a fun atmosphere. All the corporate jobs I've had sucked the life out of me. No fucking way, no fucking how man.

Right now I'm trying to transition into the military. My friends told me to go POG since I killed it on the asvab, but I just can't/ I can't fucking do desk work anymore that has no meaning to anything. I'm either looking to do intel or a combat role.

I know the structure of the military will piss me off, but it's 4 years and I'll get a free Masters out of it, plus fix my teeth, plus learn tons of new skills, meet new people, maybe travel.

After that, probably going right back to doing what my dad does for the rest of my life because fuck corporations.

My buddy earns 120-180k annual at a major international finance company. Dude is broke as fuck because he spends all his money on drugs and crazy parties to get through his shitty work life.
He's officially started saving so he can get out of finance within the next 2-3 years. He said he's rather work in academia or a restaurant and not have to suffer mentally anymore.

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>>132181793

What do you think they've been doing?

Problem is, most of them work even less than the NEETs.

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Money isn't worth anything. If I made slightly more money It would hardly affect my life because I'm not impressed by STUFF. If I made significantly more than I'd get taxed more. I will never own a home or have a non tatooed 'reformed' THOT woman to settle down with. I break my body for nothing. I want to trade all my sadness for anger. NEETS are right.

>>132176924
>The data support this. A recent Gallup report on the millennial generation reveals that 21% of millennials say they've changed jobs within the past year, which is more than three times the number of non-millennials who report the same. Gallup estimates that millennial turnover costs the U.S. economy $30.5 billion annually.

>which is more than three times the number of non-millennials

So the data doesn't include what the other generations did when they were around the same age group as millennials. The data looked at older people compared to younger people in the present and not when older people were in the same age range as millennials.

Generation X is not going to live as long as the boomers, they are all fucked up with diabetes and cancer and drug addiction, they will be buried alongside the boomers.

The only competent millennials are the first born, all the rest from 1990 on downwards really are not worth the meat they are made of.

Disposable labor slavery in feudal farms is about the only thing they could be used for.

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> on 6th job at 5 different companies in 15 years.
>Never been laid off, never fired.
>4/5 companies I left would take me back quickly
>Every move came with more money
>7-18% pay raise each time
>Some moves to learn new stuff
>Some moves to gain experience
>Some moves to leave bad work environment

Companies have zero loyalty, why should I? Also I love my job, love my career, and industry. I have done everything to make my self eminently employable. The great thing is this, if my peers weren't such shitty employees, this would be much harder. More than half the people I work around, even boomers, are such a waste of space. They would have no where to go if they left. I guess that is the irony, the shitiest employees now have the most loyalty.

>>132181957
>we're making fucking awesome software

What is it?

>>132180712
Those aren't millenials

>>132182190
>Money isn't worth anything.

I disagree. I find going without money to be a very unforgiving and unwelcoming experience and I wish to never do it again.

>>132181797

>two weeks notice

Isn't industry standard a month now? That's what I was taught. I've never heard of someone being fired after putting his notice... that's bizarre that your boss does that

>>132180308
>was born in 94 but had no access to a computer until 2007
Where's that leave me?

>>132176924
>Gallup estimates that millennial turnover costs the U.S. economy $30.5 billion annually.
Go fuck yourself Gallup.

>>132176924
Should you feel involved in a company that views you as a resource and not a human? Of course you job-hop if you are forced to have 2 temporary contracts and then you can go fuckoff for 6 months to get another 2 years (dutch policy) how is it that there were only 5000 new permanent employment contracts issued in 2016?

How can company's expect their employees to be loyal to them if they are not loyal to their employees?

>>132182158
>He's officially started saving so he can get out of finance within the next 2-3 years. He said he's rather work in academia or a restaurant and not have to suffer mentally anymore.

Does he mean owning/running his own restaurant, or what? Because that is highly-stressful, too, considering how many restaurants fail.

>Why don't millenials want to work?

working at a corporation is like dating a modern american woman.

they want your beta buck to work for low wages, un questionable loyalty, and do the work of 4 people.

meanwhile they wil
l dump you at a split second despite being with them for 10 years,

want to sucker you for your value,

and if they could, replace you with a darkie.

any working man whom expects a career at the same company is a cuck

might was well work for the government. theyll pay you a pension and protected by a union.

>>132176924
>>Not engaging millennial workers is a big miss for organizations.

The opposite is true. They are cancer and most companies are glad to see the back of them. They are lazy, useless and there is another generation under them with it seems more going for it. They may just be a generation that stays outside work and in poverty forever because their baby boomer parents set them up to be failures. Muh creativity can't get me to answer the phone or hold a job down and it has no market value.

>>132180356
>It's why the majority of boomers voted for Hillary and their socialist dream

Bullshit, they voted Trump. Their only redeeming feature.

>>132182283
spatial UI for VR/AR. Basically, we have awesome computers but society is limited by people's lack of ability to access said computing power. So with one of my jobs I work on that interface layer so more people can use the awesome power of computing. I study design from a neuroscience perspective to make it happen. The other is some shitty indie game but I get to hone my art and gamedev skills on it as well as do tons of user testing.

>>132182349
Depends on the industry. In healthcare you may have to give several months notice depending on your specialty and skill set.

In sales it's virtually non existent unless you have a decent boss because why bother keeping you around for contracts that you can't close for more than 2 weeks. That's how it was at my last 2 sales jobs, and one was doing contract and marketing work as well. They told me I should just quit because they would fire me by the end of the day for telling them I will be leaving in 2 weeks.

>>132182119

>posts that image
>acknowledges that the bosses are at fault for hiring foreign labor and treating it poorly
>race war now not class solidarity now

Nigga what

>>132180748
>This might be where costco succeeds.

This is fine for unskilled work, but in this scenario you're only options are grunt work or management positions.

industries that require technical knowledge still suffer.

>>132176924
Women in the worforce means drastically reduces job security. It creates a very strong deflationary pressure on wages. It harms families because not even the mother is able to spend the necessary time with her child.

>don't job hop
>end up working a low pay wagecuck job going insane for years knowing nothing but what's within the walls of the workplace
They're smart.

I work for a big defense company in a relatively rural area. The employees are basically split between "lifers" (baby boomers who have been with the company for 30+ years) and people with less than 5 years experience.

We are desperately trying to hire young employees so that they can learn from the lifers before the impending mass retirements, but all the young employees job hop before they hit 5 years.

There's no question the benefits aren't what they used to be, particularly no pensions, but the jobs here do pay well and will easily allow you to live a comfortable, middle class life. Yet, all the millennials come in and incessantly whine about everything - muh vacation, muh tuition reimbursement, muh boss sucks, muh work is boring, etc. So much entitlement, so much complaining, absolutely no loyalty, all they wanna do is move to the city and find a job where they can "change the world."

In 5 or so years when the lifers begin retiring and basically the entire millennial workforce has replaced itself yet again, I can't help but imagine any other circumstance than our company failing, which will come at a huge cost to the American taxpayer.

>>132180237
No.
Back then a wage could support you, a full family AND LEAVE YOU ENOUGH MONEY TO ALSO BUY A HOUSE WITH.
Today that same job makes you barely able to break even while paying off education debts.

>>132181303
Yep I'm realizing this now. I've got a friend at a company in my city that said he would shoot over my resume to his manager so I'm really hoping something comes from that. I've applied to 150-180 places the past 6 months and have done 5 interviews and still haven't gotten anything. I'm about ready to go to a damn temp service just to get my foot in the door somewhere. In a group interview for a fucking IT support job we had to take a quiz to assess our IT skills and I looked over at one of the kids answers to judge the competition and he didn't even know what fucking CSS stood for and 1/2 his answers were wrong, we also had to make presentations in powerpoint to present and this kid did his on how to make a fucking omelette which is the example the recruiter gave when explaining how the interview would go down. I had a damn IS degree and fucking experience w/ what they were asking but they hired this retard with a marketing degree because he was the boomer owners Uber driver one night and he liked him.....

>>132182397
I think he was just generalizing. And yes restaurants are stressful. Worked in them when I was younger, but I've also worked finance. And I would genuinely take a kitchen job over another office job with baseless meetings and number crunching. I think realistically he will get his PHD and try and teach econ at Uni. That seems to be the path he is actually moving towards.

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>>132182318
I mean in terms of how much you can get with money...it feels like nothing. Get my car fixed up a bit and a few days of suffering worth disappear.

I'm saying everything I purchase feels like a merchant fast talked me. But I just let it happen.

>>132179151
Good suggestions here, overall.
I'd say, do address true slackers. People that genuinely try, will eventually get better. May take time, muscle memory, memorization, endurance ect., but they will get better if they are putting effort in.
People that slack to the expense of others intentionally however, are going to make their coworkers lives hell in the long term, and they won't get any better. It's a character flaw. They'll float at least required effort and make work harder for everyone else. Also, don't be that guy.
Don't micromanage, but if you see a better way to do something, feel free to share it.
Be willing to learn from other people's methods.
Be willing to try new ideas if you have the authority. But, also be willing to discard new ideas that aren't working, even if you were the one to think of it. Most old ways were implemented for reasons that may not be easily foreseen.
Ask your superiors any questions. Ask experienced workers any questions. Ask new people questions.
Who's fucking who doesn't matter.
Listen to gossip. Don't add to it. Sounds go in, words don't go out. Keep your cards held close.
Learn how to know the difference between people that are good, and people that will just kiss your ass. There's enough ass kissing in management. Don't give those any props to ever step up.
Get enough sleep.
Get, enough, sleep.
Don't be dumb.

>>132182486

That's pretty interesting.

A lot of malevolent applications down that road, though.

All the shit you guys complain about (short of garbage management which will always be up tp chance) aren't a problem at Home Depot.

>decent pay (started above minimum before the 15/hr jump)
>benefits available even to part timers (healthcare only for fulltime, but dental, vision, retirement, stock discounts...etc all available to part-time)
>flexible scheduling around life/school/other jobs
>some morons but for retail it's a moderately difficult job so the retards don't last or are shoved out to parking lot duty

Seriously. Posting from the breakroom on lunch. I'm about to hit a year and get a raise (merit-based at that).

>>132176924
>Why don't millenials want to work?

Idk about the rest of you fucks but I wanna work. The problem I hear the most from people is that most of the jobs pay shitty for the amount of bullshit that is put up with. If companies actually cared about the well being of their employees, I'm sure more would stay put.

>>132180712
What do you think they'd be like if they could work for minimum wage in 1979 and earn the equivalent of $20 an hour?

I imagine they'd be out having a good time on a regular basis rather than being stuck unable to do much more than browse the internet or texting people.

>>132182349
He doesn't care. If you request one day off, he'll give you two or three.
I had a really bad throat infection and flu last month, asked for a single day off so I get rest to try to beat it and not have to go to the doctors.
>in my bosses own words "you're not sick if you're not in the hospital"
>Go into work another week, only getting worse
>finally say fuck it and go to doctors
>doctor gives me antibiotics and note saying don't go into work for a couple days
>give it to boss
>boss responds by cutting my hours down to three days a week with 2 of those days only being a 6-7 hour shift.

Then the old prick had the nerve to ask me after 3 weeks if I needed any time off.
So fuck that. I'm not putting in any fucking notice when I quit. Cunt will be lucky to even get a phone call.

>>132176924
The US is predicated on making as much money and not giving a fuck about anyone else. Look at the Great Recession, when companies were posting a loss their CEO still got a massive bonus. Conversely, in Japan, CEOs took significant pay cuts just so the average worker didn't. There is an actual sense of community in Japan that doesn't exist in the US. The top 10% in America has 18.5 times the wealth than the bottom 90%, while in Japan it's 4.5 times. Why would we work harder just so the fuck boy administrators make more money while we get less and less every year? I'm a number like everyone else in this thread, and to the average corporation we are a burden.

Because they are all boomer-style workplaces, ran by boomer sjw turbocunts.

Seriously, can you imagine a more depressing end to your life than office small talk in a cubicle everyday, while fearing HR?

Boomers need to die.

>>132180783
>success of rehab center is mixed, with 80 per cent of patients relapsing
>doesn't occur to them that maybe the issue isn't with the patients but maybe the job market

>why wont you goyim take these shit jobs with bad pay

>>132176924
millenials job hop because companies don't give raises anymore
this isn't boomer land where you got 4-5% annual raises just for staying with the company
companies are also really stingy with promotion, they expect you to take on additional duties yet remain at your current pay
if you want to increase your pay you have to get a different job the moment you can qualify for it, simple as that

as an employer I can see millennials if they are employed at all working on minimum wage for gen z which seems to have has a wok ethic and are good hires. You'd literally have to pay me to interview a millennial at this stage and I'd never hire one again. Any company that does is making a big mistake.

>>132176924

Companies used to be part of their community in a time when community still existed.

Now they are driven by some far removed management of varying ethnicities of lizard people all working towards white genocide.

Fuck em.

>>132176924
Millenials should just get taxed to cover the cost to the economy.

>>132179151
Communicate everything that isn't sensitive, this includes you're struggles with the job. Becoming personal with the people youre managing helps to establish the human side to your position. If you can create an atmosphere where people feel comfortable telling you you messed up or that they're having problems then people won't fear firing or like they're being handed all the shit jobs. Reward good behaviour and discipline bad behaviour. Make sure your standards are clear to all and that when they put in the effort they're sure you're going to make it worth their while. Be willing to take the dirty jobs if they come you're way and don't pawn it on someone else. Micromanaging is a sure fire way for people to lose creativity and smother innovation. Create an atmosphere of team work and encourage partnership in tasks if they natural form. Be humble and transparent, build people up and encourage those who need a little boost. Basically show everyone there is a job to do and you're there to do it with them. If everyone does their part and is successful then there is reward, even if it's just a pat on the back and a thank you. That's my two cents at least.

>>132182674

Many women back then were also stay at home moms, so fewer people were in the workforce putting downward pressure on wages. Not surprising now that it requires two incomes to support a family when both parents are out there getting jobs.

Average US home size was also like 1000 sq ft, vs 2500 sq ft today. If people bought more modest homes, they would be more affordable. Most millennials also want to live in the cramped big cities where real estate is insane, and scoff at the idea of living in a more affordable suburban or rural area.

Not that I don't think things are worse today in the workforce than then, but people romanticize the 50s and 60s a bit too much.

>>132179151
Quit.

You are not management material if your are asking /pol/ for management advice.

>>132176924

This is horse shit.
I hope no one believes this.
The jews fucked us, thats it.

>>132176924
>boomer manager response to all problems
fugg, someone call pajeeb.
>goes on break
>IT staff gets replaced by pajeeb

>>132183015
>Becoming personal with the people youre managing helps to establish the human side to your position.

Muh special millennial be personal with me.No fuck off.

at the office job i'm in now, all my coworkers are former temps, i do most of it, and i get paid the same

and the result of my efforts is that i can compete with the other dumbasses who have worked there for 6 years for the next tier position

or i could just apply fresh at another company for a similar tier and they would hire me to 'steal' from the other company.... in the hopes of enslaving me and slow rolling my climb in the company

so probably once i go to another company in a few months, i'll just leave there in a year or two once i am railroaded again

>>132182349
In sales, a lot of employees are fired if they give notice of any length of time.

I worked as a sales rep for a cell phone company for about 3 years. My company was bought by another authorized retailer and I worked for them for about 6mo. I was fired 3 days into my 2 weeks notice.

>>132182710
I agree. On the flip side though, amazing positive applications down this road. You can turn people into literal cyborg wizards with this tech. If we can keep the attention economy (advertisers, google, etc) out of this economy for even a brief period during the beginning, we can do good work.

>>132180113
Every time I hop jobs, I always make more money at the new job than the last. My first employer hates me because I quit without notice after 2.5 years of hard work while being under paid and constantly being lied to about getting the raise I deserve next month or so. Second 2 jobs laid me off as soon as things got a little slow (no notice, who woulda thought?).

Loyalty gets you nowhere.

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>>132182644
I strongly believe your company isn't doing nearly enough to satisfy it's workforce. You already listed no pension. Well why would anyone in their right mind decide to make a fucking long term commitment to a place like that?

I'm not going to completely chastise your points. My generation certainly does need to get it's head out of it's ass but it bears no correlation to the previous generation of boomers being hard workers. If anything millennial's need to start thinking long term and stop complaining about shit because they are fucked.

Every corporate style company I've worked at, and almost everyone I know who has worked at one has the same shitty story. Asking for vacation time and having your company question the shit out of your choice and trying to stall, and in some instances illegally trying to reprimand.
Bosses suck universally but something else I've noticed within the boomer boss culture is a total disregard for the work they are dishing out. Boomers in lots of major corporate industries still really don't do much. But they live off the backs of the millennial and take all the glory.
Fact is my generation has wised up to the fact that we don't feel like being chattel. We don't feel like being used and abused by a generation that didn't really suffer in the job markets.

It's one thing if a world war 2 vet comes and says "Stop pussy footing and work harder!"

But when their kids, who realized the greatest prosperity the world has ever known in it's history, then fucked it up and come and tell us to stop being "Lazy". We ain't buying.
There is leading by example here. Just a bunch of old entitled kids, telling younger entitled kids to keep the older kids entitled.

>>132176924
>be me
>senior developer
>nearly 7 years in the company
>had to sit with hr for new job entries
>25 y old guys comes in makes interview in short knows how to do shit , gets the job
>salary is ok for no experience job
> dude says wants to leave a mark in the company
>fast foward 6 months , dude wants to leave because he doesnt feel that is making a change
>you have been here only for six months

are millennials retarded ?

>>132183109
Thanks for the advice. I'll be sure to hand in my resignation ASAP

>>132182158
>I used to wonder as a kid why he wouldn't take a "legitimate" job but now I fucking get it. He's free and happy and isn't bothered by anyone, simultaneously creating and designing new shit. And the pizza place was just a fun atmosphere. All the corporate jobs I've had sucked the life out of me. No fucking way, no fucking how man.
this resonates with me


>Right now I'm trying to transition into the military. My friends told me to go POG since I killed it on the asvab, but I just can't/ I can't fucking do desk work anymore that has no meaning to anything. I'm either looking to do intel or a combat role.
Army lets you choose your MOS, as long as you make sure that it's in your contract at MEPS. If you want combat arms, go for it but be advised Infantry will ruin your knees and Artillery will ruin your ears, while any tracked vehicle will make you work long hours maintaining it. There's a lot of options available, and you should do a lot of research on your own before seeing a recruiter. If your desired MOS doesn't have any open slots, just check again in a few months instead of accepting whatever MOS the recruiter wants to shove you into.
>I know the structure of the military will piss me off,
It has it's stupid aspects, but overall it feels more meaningful than anything corporate. The bullshit is more in your face and direct, instead of subtly fucking you over behind your back.
>After that, probably going right back to doing what my dad does for the rest of my life because fuck corporations.
Sounds good. "the military is a great place to be from". It's a great experience, make the most of it.

>Not engaging millennial workers is a big miss for organizations. The millennial workforce is predominantly "checked out" -- not putting energy or passion into their jobs. They are indifferent about work and show up just to put in their hours.

THE GOYIM ARE NOT WORKING FOR ME LIKE SHEEP, BAAAAWWW

>>132180237
>boohoo
times changes. Adjust or get left behind.

The simple truth is that working in today's ZOG is TREASON to your race. If your work you pay taxes, if you pay taxes you are funding white genocide and gibs for sluts raising mixed-raced bastards. You're funding weapons for the kikes and Saudi mudshits. You're funding gibs to Africa so that every dindu can have twenty kids, half of whom will end up over here just to gangbang your wife and daughter while your labor is making some kike rich. Get on welfare, spend the money on weapons and wait for the system to crumble. The system can only handle so many leeches before it collapses. Might as well jump on the gib gravy train, you'll make money while helping to destroy our decayed and fucked up shithole. After the collapse we can rebuild

>>132180222
Don't feel bad man. Something like 55 percent of all Australians taxes go to welfare. There is always someone worse off...

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it used to be that a company could hold you for life, promote you up the "corporate ladder" if they saw you were smart, worked hard, and cared, pay for your training, solicit your advice, re-position at least some people internally if there were restructurings or layoffs, give you a nice pension and medical insurance (or at least that was the case in my dad's and grandpa's time who earned upper-middle class salaries and spent their entire lives in one company)

Now nobody will even fucking train you (unless you luck out massively), they all want minimum 2 years' experience even for entry-level - causing everyone to bullshit their resumes, they will chop and outsource entire departments when they can, and they'd rather import a foreigner or a temp and pay them minimum wage if they could. Oh, HR will also inject some authoritarian diversity hag into your highly technical department somehow.

Company loyalty is dead. That's why people job-hop.

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>>132183205
2 week notices are for schmucks. if you hate your job, just slack off as long as possible until they fire you. i've done it at least 4 times...still get hired at new companies. of course i'm a lot smarter than the average millenial so ymmv.

>132182674
And it was minimum wage increases that made the unskilled able to afford more than they needed to and shoot the prices of goods and services to the point non minimum wage jobs couldn't really get by with as much. Remove the minimum wage and I guarantee you prices will have a small crash and things will become much more affordable like the old days.

>>132182370
How much do shitbird boomers who half ass their job but been at the same job for 23 years cost the economy?

>>132179151
Don't give too much special treatment to any one person and try to be there for employees who aren't as content as the others. Just be supportive and nip any misbehavior in the bud, peacefully.

>>132176924
True story:

apply for a job opening in a well known worldwide company, always refused (i have 2 degrees) wonder why i never get picked when i hear the tall good looking guys and mostly women get the roles

Set up fake linkedin profile, make man appear over 6ft, shitty interests, 1 degree shitty, shitty cv, shitty cover letter... apply as my own same time, clearly better, im 5ft5, they ring fake profile straight away and dont ring me... take it up with them, thy dont reply....can someone tell me if this is grounds for discrimination? this company usualy or typically has female/feminist HR

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>>132177210
This.

>pay me for 8 hours of work, 0700-1500
>why wont you come in earlier
>why dont you do your job outside of hours
>why are you quitting with no notice when you get an offer for $10/hr more when we can fire you at any time
>why don't you feel attached to the place that exploits your labor to fill someone elses pockets (who doesn't give a shit about you)
gee wiz got some hard thinker questions here

>>132180895
I'm a 30 year old wage slave...I'll probably an hero around 40 too.

>>132183153
Agree and disagree.
If you're in a management position if you're gonna be cool, be fucking cool. Don't act like a bro one second bullshitting around, then berate the same people for not doing something.
Also if you're dick, just be a dick. I'm sick of bipolar fucking people in management.

That it is for a gas station/convenience store atleast

>>132176924
Why would i ever value a company higher than myself?
If I can go elsewhere and recieve more pay/benefits/free time I'd be out the door fast as can be too.

>>132183112
Millennials fuck themselves.

1)Don;t answer or return calls
2)Poor punctuality
3)Constant complaining
4)Mostly talentless
5)Sit fucking around on facebook/instagram all day
6)Expect promotion ater doing nothing for six months
7)endless stupid suggestions about their need to be 'creative'
8)Bring sex and politics into the workplace
9)Never do a minute more than the minimum and submit sloppy lousy work that has to be constantly checked

Lousy lousy employees. You could replace ten of them with a single gen z or any other generation.

>>132182486

>spatial UI for VR
>awesome software

And you're the one going on about scientists and explorers? Fucks sake you're making shit entertainment so streamers can fuck about on youtube with limited non-meme commercial applications. VR is where start-up head in the clouds mongoloids end up working at some company based around a cult of personality.

I'd be interested if you were working on cyber security but fuck right off, 10/10 if this was a troll post, I'm livid.

>>132180834
>employers needing everyone to have "5 years experience" for their first job.
Bullshit. Show me one job posting that requires 5 years experience for an entry level job

protip: you can't

>>132183424
I did, for 6 months. They put me in a store completely alone for a month and when they began encouraging me to work off the clock for no overtime, I gave them 2 weeks notice.

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>Be me. Self employed, no problems and I dictate my own working times.
>I have every incentive to learn and improve myself, because it makes me more money.
I fucking love it.
Compared to:
Bro works in a big warehouse.
>Pay is relatively low, yet he's super motivated.
>All other workers apparently are bottom of the barrel morons who have no will to work.
>He works hard, notices that he's doing the work of +4 people. Fuck it, keeps working hard.
>Bosses notice his work ethic too.
>"You're a great guy! You work very hard so you've been selected to train new people."
>"You get a bonus of 1.30€ per hour as you do it. Have fun! Here are your new trainees."
>Gets a bunch of niggers and who knows what shitskins that the company has recently hired.
>This is because the company is planning on kicking out the older more expensive workers in the near future.
>They're even more dysfunctional than everyone else. They do jack shit, yet they're supposed to handle a bigger workload than the older workers, so that the company saves money.
>Bro says "fuck this shit" is leaving the job in the next week or two.

So instead of the company actually hiring an instructor, getting the manager to do it, or paying a good wage for training the nigs, they got the hardest worker and gave him literal pocket change to train over a dozen of people.
Then they're planning on kicking out the older workers for the newer cheaper workforce.
There's zero loyalty from the company and they have no interest in investing into their workers.
Also wages are shit and instead of raises, they're nowadays slapping more working days into the year and cutting vacation days.
It's no wonder they can't keep a hold of decent workers and people hop from job to job.

>>132176924
>remove pension
>wonder why nobody will slave for your shitty company for their whole life
lmao. fuck loyalty to corporations

>>132182956

Older Millienials are upwards of 35. Fuck off with your idiocy. You sound like a millennial in denial.

>>132180949
I got into IT out of college no problem and I now make over six figures. I think you're not very bright.

>>132176924
>Finding the place that will pay you the most amount of money for the least amount of work

Isn't this supposed to be the model?

>>132183520
just asking, cause i recently was dating a girl who got into this company, she has experience but doesnt even have high school...also she was fat and feministic .... not dating her anymore

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>>132177919
This is why I like working in the healthcare industry, they've actually been going out of their way to offer me more training in computer programs to schedule appointments because they understand how important it is to make sure patients are treated correctly.
Helps that I get paid too during training seminars.

>>132183252

It was a hard lesson to learn, good thing about returning to a previous company though is you know the bosses and they know you aren't fucking around when you say you want a promotion or a raise, they have a direct example of it costing them down the road if they don't.

I honestly wish it wasn't this way, i wish loyalty mattered, i wish my company was loyal to me and i to them, but that just ain't the way things work anymore.

>>132183424
>because I'll never get another job again so I don't need the reference from previous employers.

You're not a lot smarter than the average millenial. In fact, you're one of the most fucking stupid.

>>132183516
>Agree and disagree.
>If you're in a management position if you're gonna be cool, be fucking cool.

Just shut up and do your job, take your pay and beyond that I don't give a shit. Millennials really are fucking cancer in a company. They will loose you customers and push their work onto other staff making them unhappy to. Fuck 'em.

>>132183520
>1)Don;t answer or return calls
never do this
>2)Poor punctuality
always on time or early
>3)Constant complaining
I don't complain
>4)Mostly talentless
fuck you old man
>5)Sit fucking around on facebook/instagram all day
i dont even have a fb
>6)Expect promotion ater doing nothing for six months
wrong
>7)endless stupid suggestions about their need to be 'creative'
nobody does this
>8)Bring sex and politics into the workplace
absolutely
>9)Never do a minute more than the minimum and submit sloppy lousy work that has to be constantly checked
Did someone blow your cubicle buddy and not you?

>Why they'll save us all

STILL WAITING FOR A FUCKING ELABORATION ON THIS HORSESHIT.

>>132183589
Actually I see that a lot and have even put it on postings I have written.

What it does is keeps the betas/cucks from applying. If some one applies with out the experience needed they are either stupid or have the balls to make it work. You can figure out which over the phone.

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>>132183287
why are all dev job postings "senior developer?" i'm senior grade, but i just want a shitty entry level dev job i can quit in a year or so.

>encouraging
where's your team spirit anon?

>>132183758
haa. haHaha. you haven't seen my resume.
>tfw started coding in the 90s

>>132182356
As a poorfag, a category that transcends any generation

>>132176924

The average job in America is a service industry position.

aka McDonalds or Walmart. When you start bringing in immigrants to run your subways and gas stations and mexishits to take over the construction fields a majority have now legal or not. Then you have a bunch of left overs with no real future. You are forced to be beta and compaired to mexishit or a dot head or anything else that has shown up in the last 20+ years to live off our economy. White males even have it worse because of anti white male quotas.

when is the next boat load of illegals arriving? I'm ready to lose another job or take another pay decrease and be culturally enriched! Can't say Mexicans are better than Americans either. That is just what racist whites say that want some servant mexishits. They run their mouths for decades now about it. Mexishits half the time act like niggers. Entitled.

>>132183597
I'd have walked out the second they asked me to work off the clock, granted I could find a new job the same day.
I don't love the store I work at. The only reason I give a shit about its existence is because it pays the bills, barely.

I'd tell the boss if it's so important you work off the fucking clock.

>>132183520
What is the company you hire for and what is the job in question.

>>132182965
this.

/thread

>>132176924
>stay at same job
>2% raise annually
>job hop
>10% raise instantly

Not hard to figure out.

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>require fuck loads of experience or work in order to get where I want
>having to hop around to jobs to get it done
>have to increase my pay as well to pay bills
>OMG WHY AREN'T THEY STAYING
cause you greedy fucks made it difficult to even get a foot in the door. It's bullshit I need so much stupid experience for a small position. No I don't expect to immediately make it but these bastards have fucked things so much that they require more and more time to even get mentioned.

Not to mention many companies are understaffing, cutting hours, and lowering pay making staying at these jobs not possible.

>>132183488
seriously? can someone tell me if this is discrimination? its one of these faggy lgbtwagsgshk comapnies but they are great to work for. money is money. they are well known worldwide

>>132182613
Yes but it is more of a stepping stone to better one's self. The job security allows one to save money to learn and train to move on to something else with a higher skill set.

>>132183597
>I did, for 6 months. They put me in a store completely alone for a month and when they began encouraging me to work off the clock for no overtime, I gave them 2 weeks notice.

There you go. You see if you want to be in charge you have to show willingness to do that. You failed the test. Millennials fail it always. They will never ever be capable of being anything more than poor quality minimum wage seasonal workers if they are lucky. If someone leaves a job before a year and puts it on their CV it goes in the bin because they are shite.

But but I don't want to wear a suit to an interview you are oppressing my individuality!

>>132183365
How the fuck do I hop on gibs train?

I am a straight white male with no obvious disability. I am fucked.

>>132182956
You sound retarded. The gap you're causing in your workforce will doom your company. Gen z is worse than millennials, mostly because millennials have a vast difference in ages within the generation. you're just regurgitating memes.

>>132183015
When I was a line worker I was quiet but if you needed to talk to me I was Thier to talk back in a respectful manner. I told my line that if they have a problem to tell me in my face so we can address and fix it quickly

>>132183986
>I'd have walked out the second they asked me to work off the clock

Fails the test hard again. No promotion for you.

>>132184263
I asked you a question potato man >>132184012

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I think a lot of people can see through the nameless faceless corporate gimmick and realize that you're only as good as what you can do for your corporation. There is no genuine sense of comradery and corporations always want more from you. It starts off slow, but eventually you'll be working ten plus hour days without even realizing it. Its really soul sucking. Corporations treat young employees as disposable so why not treat them the same way.

>>132182644
>Will easily allow you to love a comfortable middle class life
If you don't have a 100k loan to repay that all of your income is being drained into. It's effectively a second mortgage that you start paying off with your entry level salary, with no pension and two mortgages there's no money left in the bank for retirement and so there's no choice but to keep on jumping and hoping.

I was just thinking about this on the ride home. I keep hearing "we can't find any good workers, nobody is qualified." my boss says that all the time at work. But what he really doesn't understand is that our organization has zero depth. There is nobody training to replace anyone, so any time anyone quits there is a massive gap, and it will take 6 months to fill it.

>>132184239
>Gen z is worse than millennials

You could not be more wrong. I wont have a millennial in the building now not worth the grief any other age group but not them, they are useless..

>>132184142
>Applying for a job as trashman
>pizza delivery guy
>cashier at gas station
>farm/ranch hand

>"sorry bro, no suit, no sweet gig at Hot Topic"

Unless you're applying to work at a law firm or fortune 500 business, wearing a suit is fucking retarded.

Remember that scene from Step Brothers? They looked fucking stupid applying for a job at footlocker dressed in suits.

>>132182486
>literally useless meme peripheral software
kys

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>Pull yourself up by them bootstraps!
>Don't even think about silly shit like ethnic identity. You're just a mongrel!
>Why do you not care about anyone but yourself? Why don't you settle down already?

Everyone has a lot to say about how everyone else should live. It's rarely productive conversation or good advice, and you can tell, because it's advice that the giver will rarely take. "Pull yourself up by your boot straps...oh, I went to college on a subsidized loan, and I'm not saving for retirement because social security is going to take care of me in my later years."
Just do you. Use whatever you can.

>>132183272
So I am a millennial, I am just observing what I see going on. There are absolutely baby boomers who do nothing and slide on by, but the vast majority of the good technical work that gets done is handled by a few baby boomers. There are certainly some millennials who are extremely smart and good contributors, I think a big problem is that we are so desperate to keep people that everyone gets the same raise, promotions are time-based etc.

So I certainly understand why the top 10% of millennials leave , but these are not the people doing all the complaining. Millennials who have been with the company less than a year, are NOT major contributors, are generally the most vocal about hating their jobs. While there are baby boomers who are equally useless (albeit a smaller percentage), they at least know better than to complain about a stable job guaranteeing a comfy middle class life.

>>132184307
>I asked you a question potato man

None of your business and if you are a millennial you need not be too concerned because you will never be hired or paid a dime. This subject has come up with other hirers and even agencies and my experience is not unique.

>>132183986
It was 2 weeks before christmas and I wasn't going to get my PTO or commission until after new years so I thought an extra couple of days would be nice to have. Didn't work out, but the area manager was fired soon after.

>>132184251
>standing behind counter with boss.
>he fucks up something at his register
>fucking blames me.

I'm about to break that old man's fucking hip.

>>132176924
>be me
>work at walmart
>they just layed off all but 10 people on my shift
>basically only 5 people on shift at a time
>store manager still says our shift has high worked hours
>next breath
>we're trying to hire more people
>but
>I guess nobody wants to work
>manager then says "i talked to a guy at pepsi over there, and they cant get employees either"
>every other place in town is paying 12-13 an hour
>walmarts paying 10 still

>>132184471
>>Applying for a job as trashman
>>pizza delivery guy
>>cashier at gas station
>>farm/ranch hand
>>"sorry bro, no suit, no sweet gig at Hot Topic"
>Unless you're applying to work at a law firm or fortune 500 business, wearing a suit is fucking retarded.
>Remember that scene from Step Brothers? They looked fucking stupid applying for a job at footlocker dressed in suits.

Another millennial fails the test hard.

>>132179080
>tfw worked as a courier for several months
>kept getting wrong addresses on half my fucking orders and had to track down the recipients myself most of the time
>find out a few weeks later that the person in charge of getting all the addresses down on paper time after time is a crazy cat lady in her 60's that spends most of her time yacking with her friends on the phone
I've come to learn that Gen X'ers are the only people I like working with.

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Why the fuck are boomers still going on about corporate loyalty? They killed this shit before most millenials were born to juice "shareholder value" and their retirement funds.

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>>132183508
I don't appreciate your fucking sarcasm you little shit.

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>>132176924
because the jobs offering promotions are shit
>get shitty summer job at a home depot renting tools
>be competent and 24
>by month two I'm offered advanced management training in lieu of a promotion to department manager within a couple months
No fucking way I'm working at a home depot though. Retail a shit. I'm glad retail in general is running off a cliff too.

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>>132183912

They want slaves don't they. Ones that can't even talk back in a proper language and have bastard baby trolls with.

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>>132184307
Don't bother. The lad is from Ireland. I'm pretty sure he's living off of welfare and shitposting in his mother's basement.
>>132184450
>..
You need to try harder on your baits lad. You refuse to answer questions by calling people millennials. Pretty fucking obvious what you're doing.

>>132184263
In my state it's illegal to work off the clock.