Science or religion?

Well I see some religious people.

>>132130802
Christianity.

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>>132130802
religion coz science make muh thinker box hurt

>>132130802
What do you mean "or," exactly? "Science" is a subset of the same rational thought employed by Church scholars for eons. The fact that fucking brainlets do not understand that empiricism is essentially an expansion pack for the same reasoning employed by Thomas Aquinas isn't my problem. Actually, it's mostly theirs. The fact that whites for some reason have chosen to believe the horde of Christkillers telling them to give up their religion and culture in favor of retarded (and, incidentally, baseless) hedonistic consumerism is pathetic and embarrassing. If we are really so susceptible to such stupid ideas we deserve extinction.

You want to make a difference? Reject the false dichotomy and embrace both rational spiritualism and the empirical view of nature. Both are legitimate and both can be argued logically to the hilt. The Jew wants you to exist in a totally material world because that world is his. He cannot touch your soul.

>>132130802
Science is a religion now

>>132131285
This
Quantum physics is all speculation and belief, doesnt even have proven a central theory, just a load of 'priests' guessing at the truth

>>132130802
>gender guy that used to do kids shows represents science
how about someone how didn't lose his credibility when he got paid to promote certain unscientific agendas?

>>132130802
>Bill Nye
>Science

>>132130802
"""Science""" is a religion these days.

>>132130802
>whynotboth.jpeg

Why should anyone have to choose between the two? Fucking fags

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>>132130802
i will have both of them

>>132136683
You literally cant.

>>132136879
My nig.

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>>132136879
already do

Since science decided to marry itself to a destructive ideology and ostracize men who asked the wrong questions, they are both as shit as eachother.

>>132136879
plenty of religious scientists you can because they dont conflict religion gives meaning science grants understanding of the innerworkings of nature and the observable world

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Why not both?

>>132137136
A man of science and reasoning builds his beliefs only on what there is evidence to support. There are equal levels of evidence for the existence of gods as there are for Bigfoot and Mermaids. You can't believe one but not another while claiming to be a man of science.

>>132136879
science explains religion you dumb nigger

>>132130802
You mean pop-science or religion

>>132137530
*refutes religion

>>132130802
Those thing dosen't exclude.

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>>132130802

>Bill Nye
>Science
>Literally erases scientific fact from his old 1990s show because it's too problematic to his SJW fanbase here in 2017

>>132137435
most do as i said plenty of christian men of science because it can not give meaning to any of your discovery and what evidence would be sufficient by the way? what kind of evidence to be more exact?

>>132134008
>>132133503
>STILL having a meltdown about this
Tampons are in aisle 13 lads

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>>132130802

Combination of both promoting Trans-Humanism.

It's part of the "Globalist Endgame"(which I did a thread on).

Archives: http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/knowledge%20bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/%21%219O2tecpDHQ6/

>>132130802
Science
Religion only stops progressp

>>132130802
we need religion to keep population in czech'em

>>132138050
>Religion only stops progressp

>He says while sitting in his modern house full of more stuff invented/discovered by Christians than atheists

>>132130802
You're giving me the option between pseudo-science of diversity or savagery of islam.

>>132138306
Most of those Christians were progressive Christians, not you backwatered christians you find in the Bible belt

>>132137136
no you dont

>>132138625
yes you do

>>132138625
Human beings are fundamentally organized around the need for meaning Having meaning for why you live your life and having a sense that your life has a destination or a purpose, is an important organizer of individuals lives and also communities lives

>>132137659
No it explains religion as a psychological security blanket for the feeble minded

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>>132130802
>Science or religion?
Why not both?

>>132138301
yeah cos that works with the catoliks dunnit

>>132131180
/thread

>>132131285
Yep

>>132138792
Change human beings for weak minded fools

>>132139158
really is it weak minded to say hey my life is heading towards a greater purpouse then my self or better to say i work a shitty job and im going to end up as worm food but its okay in the grand scheme i dont matter any way

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>>132138925
You are a smart man, anon.

>>132139429
yes
It self aggrandising bullshit

>>132139636
unless its true that might be so and even if not still a necessary evil to ease our fears and confort us to give us structure

>>132139873
comfort* my romanian is showing

>>132130802
I still can't believe a religion that forces people to put their heads on the ground next to some guys butthole is going to destroy Christianity where you pray on your feet next to some nice smelling incense.

>>132139873
Dont see how living in fear of going to hell does that. Your life only has the purpose you give it, otherwise your living in a fairytale. Accept oblivion and live the life your given to the full.

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>>132130802
>Shill Nye the Weimar goy
>Science

Even reddit the pozcuckold libshit central can see thru his kikery.

>>132131180
Based. Too bad op is likely a teenager who doesn't know a lot of those words

>>132140342
fear of hell keeps people in line who would otherwise run amok

>>132140490
>using a reddit screen cap

/pol/ really is a reddit colony

Pretty piss-poor examples in your image...

A Jew-Stooge Charletan, Mongrel-Theist, Evolutionist retard.

And a pack of Butt-Hole worshiping, Demon-Invoking Jew-Dupes?

Stop wiping your Ass on the shower curtain....

>>132140668
Sadly not - the IRA are devout, as are ISIS, as were the crusaders - try again

>>132141088
what is wrong with the IRA and Crusaders?

>>132130802
You just pick the worst of both sides

>>132141233
Never said they were right or wrong, but they run amuck, even with their religions of peace

>>132141518
well in the case of ISIS they run amok acording to their religion but still religion is usefull to keep people in line and give them meaning something to make it worth it

>science and religion are mutually exclusive
when will this meme end?

>>132141909
Yes, yes, but your talking about the feeble minded - do you need religion to keep youself in check? I take responsibility for my own actions, I dont follow a book of rules others have imposed on me complete with nonsense I'm supposed to have faith in. lmfao at people on here with their 'muh jesus' 'muh allah' 'Dues vult' crap. All fucking delusional. What you gonna do when europe is overrun by African migrants - pray?

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>>132131180
>rational spiritualism

Oxymoron. Where do you get that garbage? Conservapedia? Science is based on evidence. Religion is based on faith. They are mutually exclusive. Period.

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"or"?

>>132131180
Thomas Aquinas is just Aristotle-lite.
Aristotlean thought is not Christian

>>132142410
but most people are that way the vast majority of people are that is my point

>>132130802
science has become a religeon people especialy libretards only believe of it what the want for example the left will gladly berate christians with evolution but the will deny the existance of race and biological sex (x and y chromosomes) in the same breath the same breath.

>>132142823
Never met the vast majority, can only speak for myself. If religion gives you hope, fine. I'd rather act and take control of my life than trust in romantic fiction.

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>>132142574
BASED AMERICAN.

Fun fact: Who really gave the idea of "typewriting machine"? A priest from northeastern Brazil! Such idea - somehow ( = freemansonry) - came into the hands of Christopher Latham Sholes...

>>132143495
Newton was gay, and he put people to death for coin clipping - lovely man

>>132143806
>and he put people to death for coin clipping
>Newton was gay,

do you have any citations to back up that claim?

>>132143965
Both documented, you want a history lesson, go to school

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>>132133047
Quantum physics isn't speculation, you dolt. The experimental phenomenon that occurs at the quantum level evades classical explanation. The only speculation we see comes from the snake oil salesmen like Deepak Chopra who use ideas like the uncertainty principle and superposition to prop up their new age hibbity-bibbity.

>>132133047

FUCKING KEK.
Idiot

>>132144170
>both documented
>doesn't show any proof
really activates my almonds you nigger

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>>132133047
>Quantum physics is all speculation and belief

That's a retarded thing to post using a computer. You should have failed high school.

>>132144170
>you want a history lesson, go to school

if you make claims you should back them up.
instead you arent showing any proof.

>>132130802

>posts fake scientist
>posts garbage-tier religion

If these two were my only choices, I'd take neither.

>>132130802
Bill Nye and Islam are our only choices? Fuck man...

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>>132130802
Again:

"or"? No, just no. Fuck off.

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Science or (((science)))?

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>>132130802


>Science

>Post picture of Bill Nye the Shill

>Round Earth

Wew, lads.

The Earth is FLAT.

>>132144731


The only one that is based is Tesla.

Einstein was a shill, and he stole his work from others.

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>>132130802
"or", bitch? Someone give the dick for OP.

>>132144194
Explain it to us then smartarse - What is the underlying nature of the universe, is it holographic?, are Gluons the smallest particle? Is supersymmetry the ultimate the answer? is everything just interaction of virtual particles emerging from the quantum foam at a sub plank level? I'm afraid being a dolt I didnt realise that YOU have evidence of the true nature

>>132144329
fuck off abdul

>>132144828
>Einstein was a shill,

well he did deny the existance of quantum physics famously "saying god doent roll dice"

but do you have any proof for the claim that he stole his work from others?

>>132130802
When science starts creating dogmas based on ideals and politics, when people start taking the word of scientists as gospel, when science starts focusing on public figures rather than objective truths... what's the difference exactly?

>>132144363
Good go get em toasted prick

>>132142475
You really don't get it, do you?
Faith is rational, science is empirical.
Rationalism is basically theory that fits to common sense the best, empirism requires evidence supporting some theory, even if it goes against common sense.

>>132131179
That's low tier shitposting

>>132144828
Keep your ideological nonsense out of science please.
Science doesn't care who is "redpilled" and who is not.

>>132144752
>the earth is flat
the earth is a sphere you nigger

>>132144928
nice flag change.

https://phys.org/physics-news/quantum-physics/

The underlying principles of quantum mechanics are correct.

Debunk 70 years of research you tool.

>>132144433
proof of its nature? computers use quantum principles but nobody KNOWS what those are

>>132145173
>still doesn't show any evidence
:thinking:

>>132131180
this

>>132145109
>When science starts creating dogmas based on ideals and politics, when people start taking the word of scientists as gospel, when science starts focusing on public figures rather than objective truths... what's the difference exactly?


science still has objective undeniable truth to it and leads to great advances like computers no wonder people start treating it like a new god. even if the ((figures)) governing it want to cover it up.

>>132144465
He worked as chief of the royal mint, never married, lots of boyfriends blah blah

>>132130802
Don't see either in the picture.

>>132145394
>kenya
I thought the only african countries that have internet are south africa and zimbabwe

>>132130802
Science basically IS religion at this point

Atheist National Trotsky Swiss Ethnostate

>>132145179
>You really don't get it, do you?

I get your retardation perfectly.

>Faith is rational

Prove it. Theists say that "faith can move mountains". Move a mountain. Do it. Do it now.

Obviously science but since we're le countercultural

>dur jesus died for my sins it says right here, in this book of fairytales from 2000 years ago

>>132145455
>He worked as chief of the royal mint, never married, lots of boyfriends blah blah


and? you till arent providing any sources for youre claims.

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>>132145455
>still doesn't show sources

>>132145316
Flag change? your dreaming - yes theres lots of speculative theories, they are called THEORIES for a reason.

>>132145580
To low IQ normies who think it's the kewlest, but have no grasp on anything beyond the most basic, yes.

>>132145648
>Theists say that "faith can move mountains".


thats a saying not an actual belief the hold you moron.

>>132145179
What evidence is there that everything that exists is observable, at least in theory? That's an unsupported assumption. If you question it you can't even get started with science.

Both. There's no reason you have to choose one or the other.

>>132130802
Science and religion are not mutually exclusive. Peusdo-scientist and pseudo-intellectuals perpetuate the belief that they are. I'm not religious, nor do I really believe in god but I can't say with 100% certainty that a god or gods don't exist.

>>132130802
>leftist shill
>islam
both are cancer and must be destroyed

>>132130802
Science is a cult at this point

>but muh X theory
>aren't they called theories because they are not proven yet? not to mention most of them turn out to be literally works of fiction?
>SHUT UP WHAT DO YOU KNOW, SCIENCE BITCH! WOOOO

>>132145741
>THEORIES

so the theory of evolution and the other theory's are not fact by that logic?

>>132138879
Nice edge bruh

>>132145656
Cant be bothered entertaining you, dont be so fucking lazy - who the fuck cares anyway, you got a thing for Newton? (probably not the first) - oh, yeah, he was an alchemist too, fuckwit

>>132145908
I'm not a new-born atheist, but fuck off in the bin with that shit. Yes, a scientist can believe in anything. But it's a completely arbitrary adoption based on geographic location. Science doesn't rule out god, but it also doesn't rule out the infinity of other shit that "might exist".

>>132145360
>proof of its nature?

I just posted the proof, dummy. You are fighting against high school level science and losing badly.

>computers use quantum principles but nobody KNOWS

Speak only for yourself. I trust computer chip makers over nobodies on the internet that should have failed out of high school.

>>132145700
This is a religion thread - you need education

>>132145406
Of course, I was being hypberbolic. Just saying that science is going downhill. Fast.

>>132142278
Either when this board isn't overrun with burgers, or when burgerland isn't overrun with ultra militant sola scriptura retards who screw the average burger's view of religion.

>>132131094
This

>>132145554
South Africa has AIDS and Zimbabwe has a retarded president.

>>132146076
Are you being deliberatly stupid? Theories are not facts until they are proven

>>132145767

It's a complete lie. Enough with the excuses. You people say faith can do something. So do it.

>>132146207
>Cant be bothered entertaining you, dont be so fucking lazy


if you make a claim provide citations for it is that so difficult? do you think im a gullible idiot?

>who the fuck cares anyway,

you clearly do as you made the claim.

>>132130802
Why not both? Electricity was considered to be "Christian magic" by locals when electric lights were introduced to Japan.

>>132146587
>Are you being deliberatly stupid? Theories are not facts until they are proven


and evolution ois a proven fact but its called a theory.

>>132146126
Pure truth

>>132146376
>still doesn't show proof

>>132146587
>he still confuses theory and hypothesis

>>132146587
>cuck flag
>confuses hypothesis with theory
>hasn't read anything
>doesn't know about the evidence and simple logical reason for evolution
fucking do the world a favour. JUMP

>>132130802
Sceligion.

Both if you are not a pleb.

>>132146372
Fucking kindergarden could defeat your logic retard

>>132146616
Yes I think your a gullible idiot

>>132147072
You're*

>>132147072
>Yes I think your a gullible idiot

im asking you for proof fo youre claims and you call me gulleble?.

do you know what that word means retard?

Gullibility is a failure of social intelligence in which a person is easily tricked or manipulated into an ill-advised course of action.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullible

>>132146801
this is the only correct answer

>>132146707
No, its called evolution, its an established fact of existance It was once a theory, now considered proven, do you understand the difference?

>>132145648
Faith is rational to religious people the same way atheism is rational to you and me.
There is no empirical evidence of either.
>>132145811
That's an axiome but still. Point taken. Axioms are plain assumptions as well.

>>132147256
>No, its called evolution, its an established fact of existance It was once a theory, now considered proven, do you understand the difference?


youre the one cofusing hypotosis with theory here mate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothesis
A hypothesis (plural hypotheses) is a proposed explanation for a phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
In modern science, the term "theory" refers to scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science. Such theories are described in such a way that any scientist in the field is in a position to understand and either provide empirical support ("verify") or empirically contradict ("falsify") it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge

>>132147487
Try to spell 'hypothesis' right at least onece, eh?
Theory just means 'we think'
>A theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking.

Science likes YOU to think they know

>>132130802
Science by a mile but science has become so political now it pretty much has become a religion of its own. Carbon= 6 protons 6 neutrons 6 electrons. Carbon is da debil

>>132147429
>Faith is rational to religious people the same way atheism is rational to you and me

Bullshit. Something is either rational or it is irrational. The universe doesn't care about your feelings.

>There is no empirical evidence of either

The burden of proof is on the theists and only them. The exact same way the burden of proof is on tooth fairians and unicornians.

>>132146865
>could defeat your logic
>kindergarden

You couldn't. Did you fail "kindergarden" as well?

Science because im not an inbred faggot.

>>132130802
If it's a choice between these 2 can I not just kill myself instead?

>>132148237
Amen - dont forget the benzene ring

>>132130802
Science

I want my descendants to touch the starts someday

>>132130802
I'm surprised at the amount of people in this thread that say they science and religion don't conflict. They are completely opposite ways of thinking. Religious scientists don't apply a scientific way of thinking to their religion, it's impossible to remain religious that way. Religion requires faith. If you ever 'prove' religion you would render faith useless. It's not really religion anymore then.

>>132130802
At least science can correct themselves when they make a mistake. Religion ....ehh not so much...

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>>132148631
>I know a chemical
Fucking commie LARPing as someone with above average IQ.

>>132148533
Burden of proof lies with YOU - how does it work? Hmmm? what is going on? Hmmm? dont point me at someone elses IDEAS explain and prove them - IF YOU understand them

>>132130802
If religious were not such extremists and closed minds - both would be possible

>>132148896
Actually Im a Bishop, Im only larping until evening mass

>>132142475
>he hasn't read Kant
>he thinks Hume was an absolute empiricist
>he has blindly followed Jewish Science
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&t=25s
Science has always failed tremendously when it goes toe-to-toe with serious religious thought, not even on a philosophical rationalistic basis, but on the basis of evidence and experiment, Jewish Science has failed every single time.

>>132149034
>Hmmm?
>Hmmm?

You definitely should go back to kindergarten. Start schooling all over again. Maybe you might learn something a second time. Actually, never mind. That's a bad idea. An anarchist like you would probably rape a little boy in kindergarten.

>>132149364
Jewish science? Please explain

>>132138925
I think you've figured it out.

>>132130802
Both.
Gnosticism and the green pill.

>>132149563
Great explanation, you fucking cocksucker

>>132130802
Religion. I want to feel guilt free berating others.

>>132149364
You're one of those people on here of whom I can't figure out if you're a troll or a loon.
>Science has always failed tremendously when it goes toe-to-toe with serious religious thought, not even on a philosophical rationalistic basis, but on the basis of evidence and experiment, Jewish Science has failed every single time.
Come on...

>>132148804
>a pencil is used for writing while a knife is used for cutting
>this means you can't have both

>>132149364

Stop lying using green text.

>Science has always failed tremendously when it goes toe-to-toe with serious religious thought

You completely failed to name one time. Typical.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY&t=25s

WTF? Jesus was an alien? Are you trolling me?

>>132149927
That's a terrible analogy.

I don't say you can't have both, obviously there are relgious scientists. They conflict though.

>>132150322
The methodologies conflicts, but only when you try to apply them both at the same subject.

>>132150816
They are both about finding truth. Well, one shoves it down your throat.

>>132130802
Science is a religion. check and mate.

>>132151107
You mean like 'man made ' climate change?

>>132151107
Read some actual theology and then try telling me that, boi.

>>132151348
I grew up religious...

>>132151496
Doesn't mean that you read any serious theological texts. Have you?

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>>132148337
You don't seem to know what rationalism and empiricism are.
Let's say there is objective truth, like the God question. Empiricism comes to it by empirical evidence, for example "we have successfully detected God".
Rationalism is saying "God exists" or "God doesn't exist" without any supporting evidence than common sense, which is subjective.

>>132130802
Science at this point is the substitute for religion, Black Based Communist.

>>132151836
This

>Bill Nye
>Science

>>132134008
Fuck, got here before me.

>>132151754
>rationalism is subjective
You need the rope and a philosophy course or two.

>>132151679
A little of Aquinas. Who I was really unimpressed by.

But if you think religion is not about truth that's fine by me. Then we agree on something, not what most people think of religion though.

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>>132130802
>yfw you realized that the Big Bang theory was originally rejected for seeming 'too religious'

>>132130802
I'm honestly discouraged to read about/believe in science when liberals keep being so damn retarded. Like the guy in your picture, or the fat black retard DeGrasse, that is basically like an older version of Jaden Smith on Twitter.
Such a shame.

>>132130802
I hate brainlets they turned science into a religion because they cant ever think for themselves. Science is nothing more than trial and error thats it. Through trial and error we discovered how the universe APPEARED to be formed, and also that God does not exist at all.

Science was something done for curious humans who wanted to learn more now scientist have been reduced as slaves who come with ideas to entertain the retard masses stripped of all of their former respect and glory. Brainlets should bow down to scientist because without them you morons would still in the dark ages(technologically, socially there was nothing wrong with it).

>bill nye
>(((science)))

Science. Not "SCIENCE!" tho
I think you should be able to worship whatever the fuck you want. Want to worship a fucking light bulb ? Go ahead just don't force it on me.

>>132152928
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE ! xohhhhh we are like so small and gorillions of stars wow dude

>>132130802
Both. Science can never offer a complete worldview (is/ought), religion can be irrational and deny facts. A synthesis of both is best: science to explain the universe, religion to explain why the universe is here and how to act in it.

>>132152704
Aquinas is not bad, though bit of an Aristotle fanboy. My disagreement was over whether religion shoves stuff down your throat. I personally didn't get that impression from Aquinas, did you?

>>132145179
>Faith is rational

>>132153178
Why religion? What about philosophy?

>>132130802
False dichotomy. Kill yourself, nigger

>>132152642
We didn't have philosophy classes in high school so this is my amateur take on it.
What's wrong with it?
>>132153360
Yeah, same as atheism. Both imply that there is certain logical structure in our reality.

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$CIENCE

>>132153768
Rationalism is not "common sense" as in subjective, it's the application of purely logical means towards finding the truth.
Solving a problem through principles of geometry would be rationalistic, doing the same by physically measuring would be empirical.

>>132130802
Why not both

>>132153311
Aquinas tries to reason a bit, not very well in my opnion, but mostly relies on faith and revelation. Which is irreconcilable with science.

>>132130802
ahh, the good old uninformed "you cant believe in both"
saged

>>132154213
>>132154486
They conflict. But yes humans are very much capable of cognitive dissonance,

>>132154124
Okay, thanks for explaination.
We're getting philosophy this year so it's good to have some foreknowledge.

>>132154486
You can belive in both, if you have a cognitive dissonance.

>>132130802
Religion: posting the most dellusional and retarded religion
Science: Posting Bill Nye the ice cream raping guy.
Hmmmmmm

>>132154776
you have no idea what you are talking about stop trying to use big words anon

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The left worships fake science as a religion, though. Their god is a fake television scientist and they believe in theories that have no evidence to support them aside from man-made models (religious texts) specifically designed to justify their beliefs.

those that chose religion like wars and the past are hung up on it probably voted trump
that that chose science are right

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Both, as long as they're not related to Bill Nye or Islam.

I vote for science,not that fake science but REAL science that involves rigor and experimentation

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>>132146049
Pay what you owe us. THEN you can hang out on 4chan