Theists

God is dead.

>>132076505
>worships an egg
What did he mean by this

>>132076577
>feminism

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>God creates time and space and a bunch of gases
>God: "Hmmm... better make this universe probabilistic to allow for free will."
>Billions of years later, rapes and murders start happening
>God: "Stop that or I'll damn you."
>Rapist: "Nah."
>God: "Okay, I guess I'll damn you."
>God damns the rapist.

And this is somehow hard to figure out.

Unless you think God has a duty to intervene every time you stub your toe, which He doesn't.

Does God allow freewill in heaven?

>>132076682
>better make this universe probabilistic to allow for free will
>free will
>probabilistic

wat

>>132076505
in a previous lifetime the little girl was actually the pedo and the pedo was the little girl

>>132076936
boom , Gods revenge explained

>>132076505
look up alina shuvalova
now tell me you wouldnt, idare you

God invented the anime cuck tho

>>132076505

Read the book of Job.

>>132076505
If God bended his will to whatever man finds proper, he wouldn't be much of a God then, now would he?

>>132076505
the magnitude of the depravity man perpetrates is inversely proportional to the glory he was created to enjoy but chose to abandon

>>132076936
>132076936

So God rewards victims by turning them into sinners in the next life time?

>>132076936
so they are just soulmates destined to tango forever?

>>132076765
well yes, according to scripture this whole physical body experiment is to allow us to naturally choose our alignment.
God or his once favorite angel Lucifer.

The problem with arguments against religion is they are steeped heavily on ignorance about said religion. Atheists tend to be the most ignorant people, they do not even crack open a simple book and read it. Yet pretend to know everything about it.

But thats part of their free will, they are indirectly choosing their side.

If God(s) exist they probably just planned and designed the big bang, knowing it would form these giant life-giving heat/light orbs and when the earths orbiting them were at the right distance life would evolve from the vents, and it was on autopilot after that.

>not wanting to watch a pack of niggers fug a loli
what are you gay?

>>132077153
nope, obviously its just to balance out justice that must be delivered. The pedophile must experience what it is to be the victim - Gods ironic justice delivered !

>>132077051
>book of job
>implying
i will take bait

You are basically saying that a supreme being that is omniscient, omnipresent and omnibenevolent somone god trolled into make a pointless bet with his worse half (satan) just to prove that he was right?

>>132077202
>>132077116
>>132077051
>>132076682

thought i had to intervene in OP's degeneracy, you guys have it covered, good on ya guys!

>>132076765
Yes.

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>>132076505

See pic related - boom answers this 100% and is only $1 on Amazon

>>132077286
but the pedophile might like being a loli, how is that experience justice even if they could rememebr thier past lives

Also its true, in some cases genocide and racial extermination as well war is just karma that must be balanced from previous lifetimes and history, this is everything that explains injustice

>>132076505
>the pedo and the little girl/ boy are two different entities.

We are all one conciousness with God. Be good to yourself /pol/. Committing sin against yourself is to separate yourself from God.

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>>132076682
>"""all powerful""" (meaning UNLIMITED power) God
>claims to be good
>still allows the rapists to rape people to death all while staying completely silent
>expects people to genuinely loved and praise him despite being so cruelly indifferent
Whew lads. I need you theist cucks to just look up at the sky where ever you are for half a minute and think about how silent God is being right now. Just for good measure, if du.bs God doesn't exist.

>>132077463
Case in point...

>>132077128
This guy gets it. Man had a choice. It wasn't hard.

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The egg isn't balancing, it's being artificially held up.

It's a meme of lies.

>>132076505
>get to heaven
>god is a nigger
what do

>>132076505
>you don't talk about the many times God doesn't let stuff like this happen because it doesn't happen
>you expect nothing bad to happen even though Christians talk about free will and how we are all sinful

Let me go even further
>christians are against paedos and niggers since the dawn of christianity
>-boo nazis stop your HATE

Hahahahaha

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>>132076505
>takes bait
It's not b/c of god that this happened you stupid atheist nigger.

Our boomer grandparents did this evil shit to us, not god. Does God have a ressponsibility to intervene when boomers fuck things up?

>>132077373
justice is attained because the balance in karma was eventually achieved anyways and as to the individual case if the pedophile liked being a loli, why wouldn't the eternal boundless forces of judgement find some sort of solution like programming the consciousness to not like being a loli, or to even equate the balance of karma to another negative experience that attains the same goals in the negative experience of being a loli rape victim that didnt enjoy it ?

Could be a thing.

>>132077616
tell him to go to hell

or say "there goes the neighborhood"

>>132077689
if you retain no memories what is being punished?

what is the point of punishing a soul without memories?

>>132077463
>>132076505

Why are there so many of these threads right now? Also, living in a bubble where nothing bad can ever happen isn't really an environment that stimulates a lot of innovation. If nothing bad ever happened to anyone there would be no need for hierarchies of law and order. Would a "good" god force everyone to live in a theocratic society where it was impossible to have moral independence?

>>132077554
True,anon. its on us.

for years I blamed God for allowing my father, a good and decent man to get Alzheimer's when I was still in High School.. it derailed my life and I hated God for letting my familiy suffer this horr... but I eventually came to see the truth... mankind lost our original state and that we exists at all is by God's mercy.. we may live in hope of an everlasting life beyond this world but the evil that comes on all on this globe is entirely of our own doing..

Even John the Baptist Jesus' cousin was beheaded.

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>>132076505
>you have 0.00000000001 nanoseconds to strawman this
>tfw I didn't even load the thread quick enough to respond
>tfw i'm like 10000000000000000000000000000000000000x too late now and even as I'm typing it just keeps getting worse
>tfw nihilists are fucking morons who just masturbate over how they outsmarted religion without realizing how pyrrhic their victory was for their own psyche and when the afterglow wears off they turn into useless globs of meat addled with drugs or actively working to destroy civilization
>tfw i'm now like 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x too late and really just continue typing because this was a shitpost from the start and I just wanted to waste peoples time for reading it

>>132076682
>implying the universe isn't deterministic
>implying determinism excludes free will

>>132077855
in my prison earth theory, you could be under punishment at this very moment for something you didn't remember from a previous lifetime or experience in order to come to a profound understanding or even make up for something.

In between these experiences is actual real life and awareness, and all your memories - perhaps you have even lived on another planet.

You do have memories, but not access to them at the current moment because you are in earth prison and potentially being punished.

>>132076505
The only truthful honest way to worship God is by fear, that's how i worship him
i just don't wanna go to hell, he's too powerful and i'm scared.

>>132078218
No he is implying that determinism allows for free will.

>>132076912
HE is implying determinism excludes free will.

>>132078308
its not punishment if the mind cannot correlate the cause and effect

punishing a sufferer of Alzheimers is just pointless torture

>>132076682
>God creates probabilistic universe
Which can't happen since he's omniscient. Even then
>dude maybe I'll let some rape happen lmao

>>132076577
>leaf doesn't watch Black Mirror

You're a fool. we're in hell right now. I'v died and come back to life before. After death is nothingness, bliss, peace, however you want to phrase it. The only way to live is to fight right now and fear nothing and die happy.

>>132078781
You sound like a Jihadist famalam.

>>132078491
It's temporary Alzheimers of true awareness of self and in theory it could make sense why you would want to put the state of temporary consciousness under this condition in order to administer more advanced forms of punishment, profound reflection and even enslavement of not just the human species, but rather of all consciousness itself.

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>>132078218

determinism absolutely excludes free will
what in the fuck are you smoking?

do you even know what "free will" implies?

>>132076505
Someone is still enjoying the moment....maybe we are more alone than we thought

>>132078961
>and in theory it could make sense
no
no it doesn't

responsibility requires continuity

its why we don't blame the son for the sins of the father

>>132079079
Continuity exists between experience or temporary states of memory loss.

>>132076505
Ever consider that God is merciful?

>>132079407
then i can blame you for every murder ever

because you can't argue again discontinuity

>>132076505
>beautiful girls
Fuck off paki.

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>>132078990
>determinism absolutely excludes free will

It really doesn't, since you're predetermined to want to do what you end up doing. (hypothetically speaking)

God measures the desires of your heart and the intents of your actions to determine whether or not you're committing sin, rather than the actions themselves. (Certain sins always require malicious desires, however)

You are predetermined to make all your actions, and you are the only one culpable for them, since these actions arose from the desires of your heart.

Imagine your life as a rewinding video tape. Once you hit play again, it will be the exact same thing, since you cannot add new information to the tape. No matter how many times you go back in time and hit that play button, the building blocks of the Universe will fall into place the exact same way, causing the exact same effect.

This is also needed for the attribute of omniscience to be possible. God sees everything that will eventually happen, from a perspective outside of time and space. Everything that has happened and will happen, has already transpired before the eyes of the Creator.

Determinism does not strip culpability and does not invalidate free will. It only defines it.

>He still thinks the definition of God is a bearded guy in the sky watching over humans
So young, so naive...

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>>132076505
god made the pedo and nigger who are raping the little girl so it's all fine. it's just gods children playing around afterall

>>132079575
in theory that could potentially be true to a degree, that the individual in previous lifetimes had experienced life as a murderer , and is in this lifetime to repay for it, and according to this logic the karma or justice would have to somehow according to individual circumstances be re-payed in that persons current life experience.

Can the personal life of one individual point to this suggestion ? You would have to look at a variety of factors in their life and speculate whether those factors are due to their own actions in this lifetime, or if that factor is potentially due to karma and actions from a previous lifetime.

But by all means , many events and even acts of good and evil can be explained via this theory

>>132079708
you are arguing that the trolley is culpable in any trolley problem, because you have no way to differentiate agency from inanimate, will from none

>>132078990
>buy bug zapper
>bugs fly into it and die
>you knew exactly this would happen
>somehow this means bugs don't have free will

hurr durr durr

>>132076505
Do you blame the gun makers for mass shootings? I don't mean to undermine the pure evil that is of harm to children, and I don't know why God doesn't intervene sometimes. But trust me when I say this: Their sins will be dealt with for eternity if they don't truly repent, and God has a place in eternal heaven for children. Those sickos day will come, and we can pray to God for him to intervene.

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>>132076505
>>132076569
>Its God's fault that Muslim immigrants we let in are raping and killing our people
>If my parents were real they would of stopped me from driving drunk and killing someone.

Wowa, really makes you think

>>132076505
>a thing upset me
>if I was god I wouldn't have let it happen
>god let it happen
>therefore god doesn't act like me
>god's only real if he'd always act like me
>therefore god's not real
atheist logic

>>132080069
it explains nothing because it is not predictive, and anyone can rationalize post-hoc

if you had any substance in your theory then it would demolish any motivation to impose consequences for any wrongdoing.
why inflict karma if its already been inflicted on someone else?
this would be applied as the ultimate scapegoating, its fucking vapid

>>132078074

I always thought of disease as a force that pushes us to learn so that we may eventually overcome it with our own will and wit. Its a harsh challenge but it helps us grow.

>>132076505
The best part is the paedos and the niggers can ask for forgiveness before they die and they can meet that little beautiful girl up in heaven.

Remember, with cuckistianity, even the most vile sinners are allowed in, there's no limit to Jesus' forgiveness.

>>132076505
What if God isn't actually omnipotent or omniscient at all? He hates children dying, sure, but perhaps he doesn't have the ability to save every single one?

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>>132080179
brainlet listen. If God created us and everything in this "system" then he could have created no evil.
Just like he did with heaven.
But he didn't.

>>132080401
then why call him god?

hell why the fuck would a good god want to be worshiped? worshiped by sycophants at that?

>>132076505

lol... fucking pleb and his humanized concept of god. Those who believe God is benevolence and nothing else are the first to corrupt themselves.

God is everything. God is power. God is above and beyond "Good and Evil." God makes the rules.

Yes, God is a god that let's little girls get raped.

God is "metal." God is tough. God allows wars, death, and invented suffering.

Mortal... God doesn't answer to you.

>>132080557
>God doesn't answer to you.
God doesn't answer to anyone
Not even himself

God is a being no mortal can truly comoprehend, an intelligence, a computer beyond the scope of what we can imagine. The grand creator, the eternal thinker.

>>132080685
>can't comprehend
>proceeded to give him labels

>>132076505
Is that Jon Hamm?

>>132080467
>god could have done things differently to how he did them
>but he didn't
>therefore he's not real

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>>132076682
>God creates humans
>Gives free will
>Gives us the "choice" between worshiping him and following all his rules or going to hell for all eternity

T-Thanks

>>132081043
not that he's not real, but the Bible is wrong.

You will be reborn in the world you create, unless you are soulless, then you can only find a corrupted vessel.

unfortunately for us there are so many corrupted vessels all the demons are being born.

>>132080557
>God is above and beyond good and evil
God is literally good, mook

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>>132076505
>Blaming God for all the problems in the world
>Shit posting about it on an image board
You are truly an enlightened being.

>>132080517
What else would you call something that has the power to create and destroy? Thor, Odin, Shiva, etc., they are not all-powerful but they are still considered gods

As for the worshipping part, who knows? Maybe in order to exist he has to have followers of some kind. There's no way for us to know ethereal laws such as one like that. Maybe gods are just thoughtforms that become real when enough people believe in it

Question everything, look from all perspectives, not all answers are black and gray

>>132081304
Er, black and white lol

>>132076765
Yes, but the only people who go to heaven are the ones who already agree with him, so the end result is essentially the same as no free will.

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>>132077952
Hey man its completely ok to believe in a all powerful sky wizard. Just know that you have absolutely no evidence and anyone who still lives in reality thinks you guys are insane.

>>132080883
yes

>>132076505
Since when did God have to prove He was good to me? I thought it was up to me to prove I was good to Him?

>>132080300
It explains why good and evil exists. Its not designed to demolish motivation to impose consequence, its describes the system in the very opposite.

karma is inflicted onto others in order to repay for previous karma or balance justice. It is not scapegoating at all, its just cosmic justice

>>132080467
Also, your picture is wrong. There is free will in heaven. If there wasn't, Lucifur wouldn't have been able to rebel against God. So by your pictures logic, heaven exists.

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>>132076505
Without evil in the world there would be no balance in the universe. Evil in necessary, God creates evil too, because he loves us.

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>The irony of all existence is that good would be totally impotent without the contrast of evil.

>MFW a children's tale btfo of the problem of evil

>>132081304
>Question everything, look from all perspectives
with no useful answers given, and not all perspectives are equivalently useful, this is a massive waste of time, and the only reason you are concerned with this fiction is due to mind-viruses disseminated to make money for useless grandstanding cowards, who don't give one shit about anything spiritual, would be the first to suppress any real spiritual event, and live fat off their con-money

>>132081470
What the hell is he doing staring at an egg?

>>132078657
>he's proud of watching a tv show
did you learn how to be an intellectual form Sherlock too?

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>>132081666
>I thought it was up to me to prove I was good to Him?
for what purpose?

>>132078990
Free will is a myth. Free will only exists if you have all information available. Only God would have free will.

>>132081719
>Its not designed
intention does not make the result excusable

karma with continuity removed leads to universal scapegoating, or "universal justice", and you are only for "universal justice" because you don't have to endure it

>>132076682
We don't know if the universe is probabilistic.
All we know is that AS OF NOW, our understanding of quantum mechanics is probabilistic. In macro scales it appears to be deterministic.

>>132081797
God doesn't create evil.
By allowing freedom of will evil(actions uninspired by or done against by God) exists.

Also Good has a hierarchy in which Evil is the wrong order of Good.

Ex: The Parable of the Samaritan

>>132081768
So we can do evil in heaven?

>>132076505
Let's say he's all powerful and will live forever. We're the greatest show in the universe, he created us to watch for his own entertainment.
Let's say he isn't all powerful and is instead just very powerful. Then he's mortal and watches with agony knowing he might be able to prevent some of the shit we do. Or he's as autistic as this board and completely desensitised to everything

>>132081922
God doesn't have free will because he must be himself. Our "free will" is simply the ability to not comfort our will to God's.

>>132076505
rape is the norm in anarchy, god is order. the furthest we get from god the closer we get to every little girl in the world getting raped by a pack of wild niggers

>>132082080
Conform*

>>132079708
So you are saying that all your sins were determined before you were born and you can do nothing to stop them, but it is still fair to be judged for your sins and punished eternally for them.

>Believe in a god.
>Think you have to worship it.
Why?

>>132082036
No

>>132082080
For a being without choice he certainly changes his mind quite a bit

>>132076577

That egg contains the memories and personality of the individual who owns it, it is the owner and believes it is her/him.

In that scene he's torturing the personality in the egg because it's not co-operating. He's subjecting it to a simulated 1000 years of complete boredom.

He is god in the image, not the egg. He can do what he wants to it until it submits.

>>132082150
But I thought we had free will in heaven, right? I mean, lucifer did it, right? So I could potentially do evil things in heaven

>>132082130
Worship is a level of reverence the modern age has forgotten. In the past when someone or God did something so Good for you, your honor became that you honored the debt. Today's man has no honor and refuses to worship a God who's blessing he cannot repay

>>132082270
You lose minibar privileges

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>>132076505
>free will

Tl:dr OP btfo
What would be the point of creating pre programmed life?

Go could we live up to his image if we had no choice?

Also you have just as much faith that god isn't real as a Christian does that he is real you can't prove he doesn't exist therefore you are exactly the same you smug little cunt

>>132082012
Yes that sounds good too, we all have our own perceptions of the way. There is a lot more good in the entire universe than bad, we can see this around us.

>>132076505
God doesn't allow jack shit, humans do with their free will.

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>>132077463
Tell that to the giant space lizard

>>132076505
god prescribed you free will, he's not responsible for the actions of individuals.

>>132082224
He never has changed his mind, the scriptures show a God who is presently patience and hopeful while He knew all along we fail to be Good.

Christs sacrifice was planned before creation. The steps of the OT and NT were meant to show how legalism and religiousness fail the test. Only God can save us because we fail to be Good. We must eternally rely on him else we become demons.

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>>132082323
Shit, I was really looking forward to that.

>>132076505

Demiurge

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>>132082332
watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAnlBW5INYg

>>132082130
>anarchist
>understanding anything

>>132082270
You cannot do evil in heaven.

A scale from neutral to Holiest of Holy actions is the only scale.

>>132082307
>worship
>reverence
>debt
>honor

these are not the same concept, and who the hell has reverence or worship for a debt collector? for a debt we had no choice in taking?

>>132082332
That picture is so fucking inaccurate it's funny Jesus that's not even what Atheist's believe

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>>132076505
God isn't your babysitter faggot

>>132082548
> a leaf

makes sense you believe in God actually

>>132082473
Amos 7:3
Amos 7:6
Exodus 32:14
WRONG

>>132082334
Perception that there is more good depends on where your standing and how rosy your glasses are.

Christians and Red/Black pillers would say that you do not see clearly enough.

>>132082470
Exactly, he can't directly intervene.

This is reason #87 why Gnosticism is true.

>>132081818
>[Fedora Tipping Intensifies]

Le "bigger religions have cases of extortion" maymay appears

Fallacy of composition

>>132082538
>no double slit experiment
trashed

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>>132082557
So if I wanted to disobey God in any way, I couldn't do it? If I wanted to steal from someone, that would be impossible in heaven?

>>132082332
>you can't prove he doesn't exist
That's not how logic works. If everything must be considered possible and equally true then every ridiculous thing you can make up off the top of your head must also be considered true.

>Can you prove there isn't a pink unicorn behind Jupiter? No? Then you are just an aunicornist who goes on nothing but blind faith.

We can all accept that is a ridiculous argument. Of course there isn't a pink unicorn behind Jupiter, and we don't need proof in order to believe it.

Ideas presented without supporting evidence can be rejected without specific evidence to debunk them. It's up to somebody to show evidence for the pink unicorn behind Jupiter before we need to even consider it might be true.

There is no solid evidence for a deity of any type. People have been looking for thousands of years. Still nothing more than ancient books, vague prophecies, and incorrectly cited science (creationism for example).

>>132076505
hey you fucking faggot. What did he tell you? Don't eat from the fucking tree. What did you do? Eat from the fucking tree.
Do you like them apples but don't like the consequences? Tough shit. Nigger chose for himself to rape the little girl, everybody has to deal with the consequences of the free will. God has no business to allow or stop you, he will just hands you the bill after you croak.

Moral of the story - kill niggers.

>>132081818
And who are you to determine which perspectives are more important than others? Once again, as humans, we have literally no way of determining just how God works, at least as of right now. That means just about every perspective in this argument is just as valid as any other

>>132082768
What would there be to steal in heaven? It's only your soul... and God. The most boring afterlife if you ask me. At least isn't as childish as Islam's "FUCK ALL DAY AND EAT ALL YOU WANT! WHILE LISTENING TO HALAL MUSIC!"

>>132082718
>ignores the usefulness and utility issue

desu senpai the only reason you have your particular brand is because preinternet memes, and it does make money for scam artists, there are how many codified religions now?

>>132082607
Not wrong. Christ existed before the beginning. It takes a higher level of theological understanding but salvation was planned before Eve picked the fruit off the tree.

What creation is is an experiment for Humanity to truly know God. And to know Him we had to fall and be saved so we could truly know His righteousness and his Grace.

If heaven was the only thing that existed it would be meaningless, hence why Good is impotent without contrast of evil.

Ex: A warm blanket means nothing unless you know what coldness is.

>>132082867
>And who are you to determine which perspectives are more important than others?
the irony is you think god put us here to do just that

>>132081962
continuity is not removed in karma, karma exists from one experience to another. There is no scapegoating, it's just repaying for actions you committed in a previous experience

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>>132082931
That does sound boring as hell. What can my soul do in heaven anyway? Do I still have thoughts? Can I disobey God with my thoughts then?

>>132080085
>>132081922

all of you are terribly wrong
its not even worth replying to your dumb asses

>>132082667
Perhaps. I'm from the West and raised with a Christian morality more or less, I don't really like religion, but respect is immensely. I put my blind faith into God and do my best to do right, and when I die I know it will be alright.

>>132082768
It's a purposeless question. Read the magnimity of the Lord in Revelations. His magnimity AWES is to a point where our Wills collapse.

Think of "every knee will bow"
Every tongue will praise

Some will do so Willingly but the Wicked will be sundered.

>>132076505
Mods need to ban fedoras

>>132083156
Put your faith and trust in Christ alone. Nothing else.

Let the Spirit of God lead you.

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>>132076976
You piece of shit

>>132083073
your an intellectually dishonest and vapid charlatan

you removed continuity explicitly in your system, and karma still does it tacitly anyway

without continuity it results in universal scapegoating, and i don't know why that bothers you

>>132076569

Is that a Nichijou reference

>>132083018
Put us here to do what? I've never said a single thing about the purpose of God or why he made us, simply speculated on some points that you and OP are bringing up

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>>132083208
here get in

>>132081890
You obviously are not a bladesmith. A knife you make is a beautiful thing. You put your heart and soul into a blade that people will buy. If that blade breaks you are out of a customerand you grow to fucking hate the blade you created because less income.

>>132082822
The belief in existence of God is not a scientific claim

You can't prove stoicism is real either but people still believe in it. Stop focusing on the material.

>>132082944
You are leaving out some details.
First: If god is all-knowing and omnipotent in a way that he already knows that Eve will pick the apple, that sin will appear, and EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE UNIVERSE since God knows EVERYTHING full stop. Then there's no point in the experiment to begin with, as God already knows the result.
This would mean that people who sin are DESTINED to sin and they were never intended to be with God since the moment before he created the world.
Second: The "you must know evil to know good" while a good argument, has a flaw. That there exists natural evil that isn't survivable. If a kid catches a retrovirus because some nigger coughed at their school and dies because of it, what was the point of the disease? The kid is dead before they could learn from the experience and died young for nothing. Same goes to people who die on childbirth. If the world was designed to teach us through pain, we would be a lot more resistant so you can experience more suffering instead of just DYING for things outside of your control.
If god exists and created the world, he's not omniscient but only a VERY powerful being.

>>132083225
I don't like middlemen, I don't like churches, I don't like the idea that there's something between me and God. I'm fine as-is.

>>132083168
>a impotent finite power fantasy, written by bronze age shamans for tribal warlords, completely pathetic after a moments observation

>>132083225
>a don't think critically instruction

hows that cuckdom doing for you?

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>>132083168
>Read the magnimity of the Lord in Revelations. His magnimity AWES is to a point where our Wills collapse.
So what you're saying is, I'd be so awed by god that I wouldn't WANT to do evil?

But if I can't do evil, I don't have free will.

Even if I was so awed by god that I wouldn't want to do evil, wouldn't it imply that I still have the capability of doing evil?

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>this entire thread
>arguing over something with absolutely no chance of ever having concrete proof of confirmation
>people buying into the utter bullshit anyway

https://youtu.be/RB3g6mXLEKk

>>132083348
You think god put us here to make a choice between evil and good, and that is "to determine which perspectives are more important"

>>132076505
OP, you support a society and government that let's these things happen. Best to put a bullet in your head, friendo.

>>132076505

Lots of people find comfort in religion for this very fact. That terrible things happen to good people, but ultimately everyone will be judged. So an atheist thinks that a criminal who gets away never faces judgement for his actions whereas Christians believe he burns for an eternity in hell, suffering the worst pain imaginable.

>>132083442
This is what annoys me so much about religion. It always gets the never ending cop out argument that you can't prove it wrong. It always gets to exist in the unknown and untestable. Yet at the same time its believers get to argue it must be accepted. Just don't ask them to prove it in any concrete way.

>my argument needs no supporting evidence but yours does
>the lack of evidence and testabilty for my argument is actually the foundation of my argument

Sorry, but I will never buy into that.

>>132083424
>god needs an income
>blacksmiths didn't even know about atoms for the vast majority of the existence of blacksmiths
>blaming individual atoms of a knife
>breaks arn't even the result of individual atoms, but thousands if not millions

>>132083442
>The belief in existence of God is not a scientific claim
because it is useless

>>132076682
Okay anon. You won.

God erases all the rapists. However, if you don't stop browsing 4chan and do something productive with your life, you will be erased too.

Still thinks it's okay to mess with free will?

>>132083565
I said you. YOU. As in YOU the person sitting at your desk right now. You said that the perspectives I brought up were irrelevant and that some are more important than others. To which I said that all perspectives should be considered since we are talking about something that we will never have concrete evidence for.

Fucks sake, I really hope you have the "English isn't my first language" card up your sleeve

>>132082675
why can't he intervene though
I'm not trying to shit on you, I'm being genuine.

>>132076682
>can't make a universe in which free will exists while not allowing evil to exist
Sounds like your god is a pussy faggot.

>>132083743
that sounds like a fucking great deal
wtf is wrong with you, to think that was a bad deal?

>eliminate untold suffering, for not even one life in worst case scenario

>>132083486
Did I say middlemen?
No.
I said Christ.

>>132083488
I'm blessed, how are you?

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>>132083705
Not who you were replying to. But I think a better analogy would be and author getting mad at a villain he wrote in a story and personally holding him responsible for his actions.

Imagine being able to design a character and actually manifest them into existence. If you wrote the joker character in batman and willed him into existence in that form, why should the joker be judged for being evil? You wrote him that way.

I think that makes more sense than the sword metaphor.

>>132083813
YOU THINK GOD PUT EVERYONE, INCLUDING ME, HERE TO MAKE EXACTLY THAT DETERMINATION YOU RELIGIOUSLY BLINDED IDIOT

>>132083959
>blessed
delusion

>>132083262
my system does not explicitly exclude continuity, it does the very opposite, therefore there is no universal scapegoating. It doesn't bother me, I just don't see the nature of cosmic scapegoating you speak of.

Nor am I intellectually dishonest, for you cannot refute any of these intellectually esoteric interdisciplinary theories and claims, nor have you done so thus far. If anyone is the Charlatan, it is you in self projection and your attempt to disprove my claim without a substantial argument that can be so easily refuted.

>>132083973
That all perspectives should be considered? At this point I can't even tell if you're trying to put words in my mouth or are just not comprehending what I'm saying

>>132084036
Some blessing is bliss, definitely.

The garden of eden was ignorant bliss, but only after losing Grace do we come to truly value it. THAT is the purpose of this experiment.

God creates humanity.
Humanity falls.
God saves Humanity.
Humanity realizes how everything relies on the goodness of God.
Happy Ending.

>>132076505
If you don't worship such god, he'll make paedos and niggers rape you instead. Fag.

>>132076505
>If god exists he is a god that allows people freedom, so much freedom it's kind of dangerous...
Fixed

>>132084119
one last time you collosal intelectualy dishonest ass

you think god put everyone here, including me, to make the determinations of which perspectives are more important than others, that's what you think free will's choice between good and evil is

you are having so much trouble with reading comprehension that i think your going to use the "i was just pretending to be retarded" card up your sleeve

>>132083501
Of course, that's why you have free will.

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>>132083683
He'll be accepted with open arms as long as he accepts jesus into his heart and asks for forgiveness, anon, so that makes no sense.

>>132077317
Not about proving he was right. More about proving that Job was 100% on point about having faith in God.

>>132084174
thats the story of a sociopath, not a benevolent father

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>>132084352
So what you're saying is...I CAN do evil in heaven, I just won't want to, because when you get into heaven, you're so awed by God that you can think to do nothing else

Wtf is the point of letting me do evil then?

"Oh you can have free will, you just will never use it"

>>132080153
>God is a shitty parent who doesn't know how to raise his kids right
Hmm, what did you mean by this?

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"""""God""""" does not exist because no being deserving such a status can exist.

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>>132076569
What a Jewish way to observe the world we live in.

You should try and kill yourself as it would be a great benefit to the rest of society.

>>132084387
meanwhile god was willing to stand by and let Jobs family die horrible deaths purely to win a bet with satan. Suck for them, oh well. Don't worry about them, Job got a new family and they were all shiny and new and totally better than that old used up hag and annoying kids right? Fuck them.

>>132080883
It's Hamm & Egg, actually

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>>132076505
>>132079727
fuk u demiurge

>>132084542
No- that your soul will have free will as always, but if you sin in heaven you will be cast out (BC it's heaven FFS; just like that piece of shit lucifer dude [but with no superpowers])

And what are you doing to stop it?

>God is omnipresent, which means he is everywhere and observes everything.
>God is omnipotent, which means he has the power to do whatever he wants.

So, God watched has watched millions of children die in the most gruesome ways imaginable and done absolutely nothing about it, even though he could have.

That's not a God, that's a sociopath.

>>132084738
If god is all powerful why was there even a battle with satan? Why can't god just squash him out of existence? It should be less of a contest than me vs an ant.

The idea that something could not only stand up to god's authority, but actually present a real challenge and battle that still rages on to this day proves God is far from all powerful.

Or perhaps there is no god at all and the entire story is BS.

>>132082255
Okay. I'm gonna watch this.

>>132084738
So I CAN do evil in heaven. That's good to know. Do I get a chance at redemption in heaven if I disobey, or is it a one and done deal?

>>132084861
>God is omnipresent, which means he is everywhere and observes everything.
Technically, god watched me jerk off a few minutes ago. God is quite lewd

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>>132083508
extended version

>>132084560
>saying God is dead is Jewish
>but worshipping a Jewish god is okay

>>132084551

What if we define God simply as an all powerful being, but we do not define him as good?

>>132084560
He's right though.

The people who say they believe in """""god""""" today never really did, or they would be following his supposéd word as closely as they could given its plethora of glaring contradictions.
https://youtu.be/RB3g6mXLEKk
Besides that, """""god""""" never really existed as more than a stand-in placation for the masses while a few people turned their brains on and actually figured out how to benefit society by not simply accepting their status quo on blind faith.

>>132076505
I don't give a shit.
>tfw doing God's work

>>132085038
Why worship him if he is not good?

In Deism God just started the big bang and then peaced out. Seems more plausible.

>>132084977
Thanks, nice digits; have a (you)

>>132076505
show me where in the Bible God or jesus said life on Earth would be good for everybody

>>132085113
Cuz he'll reincarnate you as a little white girl living in a Muslim ghetto.

>>132085202
see pic related >>132084551

>>132085202
show me in reality where it shows that god is real

>>132084977
Weapons of Mass Trolling , love this

>>132084943
-No, you'd be fucked
-Knows of everything != wants to watch your petty bits

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>>132085363
I gochu f4m

>>132084875
That's why you have free will, what's your mettle worth? The other thing to keep in mind is that this is but one plane of existence, succeed here and you'll start on the next; fail and go to (the first) hell.

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>>132085122
If there is a god I think it is totally beyond human reasoning to comprehend the scope of what that would mean.

Personally I consider myself an atheist. I think religion just fills the uncomfortable void that tells us we have no idea WTF is going on.

I'm not sure humans will ever be able to fully comprehend physics and the universe. We are clever apes that only differ 1% or 2% from a Chimp. Can a dog ever learn even basic math? Probably not. Can a Chimp ever do calculus? Probably not. Then why can humans ever understand physics and the universe entirely? We are just mammals that have a striking similarity with stuff likes squirrels and mice or even fish at the physiological level. We are only smart in relation to them. We still don't know jack shit.

Religion is us trying to make sense of the craziness we will never comprehend.

>>132076505
Suffering exists because god either can not stop or does not care to stop it. There is no other possibility here, if you think it's part of a "plan", you're deluding yourself. You have to accept that your god is either impotent as he cant stop it, or evil, because he allows it to happen when he could easily stop it.

Either way this board is filled with literal mongoloids. It's funny, for a board obsessed with cleansing the gene pool, you guys sure are pretty fucking stupid. Its one of the real hotbeds of religiosity on here, no surprise.

Before this board existed, 4chan was a better place.

Also /r9k/, fuck that piece of trash, you all need to fuck off to an island and make a weird repressed society.

>>132081140

Seems like an easy choice to me.

>>132076505
God doesn't impede over free will. its not that he allows little girls to be raped, its we that allow little girls to be raped. we were given authority over good and evil, meaning it is our responsibility to stamp out evil, and not his.

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>>132081768
Lucifer is the good guy. He saw what a fuckwit god was being and didn't want any part of it.

>>132085482
i would pray to spiderman before the christfag's god anyday

>>132085665
shill (and leaf!) detected, kys

>>132085665
>lucifer was a good guy
Lucifer isn't real, and he wasn't a good guy in the story.

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>>132085430
>-No, you'd be fucked
So I fuck up once, it's off to the lake of fire for me? That's even worse than life one earth, where I can multiple times, so long as I do my best to change my ways and repent. What's the point of saying I have free will in heaven if I can't use it?


>-Knows of everything != wants to watch your petty bits
I mean, technically, if he knows of everything, past, present and future, he knows the precise moment when I will jerk off in my day to day schedule. That's pretty lewd tbqh

>>132085523
So does god support the existence of Satan then? It sounds like he needs him to exist. Does god maintain systems of evil then?

>>132085620
It begs the question: Why give us free will at all then?

>>132085706
Don't cut yourself on that edge

can someone explain to me why people unironically try to use such juvenile arguments like the OP's to disprove the validity of religion?

>>132078990
The choices you make in life are still made by you, even if they're the only decisions you could have made at the time. Free will is only a myth because you don't have control over your own mind, which is a ridiculous concept.

>>132082255
Excellent summary and digits.

>>132085777
the irony

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>>132084560
>Kike on a stick

>>132085113
people worship celebs for being rich/famous even though they're room temp iq drug addicts with no self respect.
Maybe just worship power, not benevolence.

>>132085755
Not fuck up once... in your scenario make it to heaven by being pretty good then choose to sin *in heaven* and be cast out from there. That's not even destruction, just moving you somehwere where you'd fit in a bit better.

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>>132076505
whats wrong with being a pedo and raping little white girls?

>>132085779
because it sparks interesting conversation like this thread, and it triggers people

It's like the "why can't atheists define what atheism is" thread that is perpetually copy/pasted on /b/ day after day. That thread has existed almost 24/7 for years, and still goes to the reply limit almost every time.

>>132084977
>bloodletting
can be effective in specific cases
>monsanto
this is a real company that abuses genetic copyrights, not sure what is a pseudoscience conspiracy here
>numbers stations
were also a real thing in the war
>daylight savings time
??????

>>132085779
you're right, this must be a slide thread (mfw)

>>132085779
There isn't a single aspect of that argument that's juvenile.

Coming from the guy who a magic fairy is looking down on you and guiding your every step. The ones who's juvenile is you kiddo.

Op brings up a great point.
You have no argument .

>God is mysterious
>who are we to questions god will
Not an argument.

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>>132085904
Pedro i will fucking slit you up the middle

>>132085992
sage

>>132085872
>people worship celebs for being rich/famous even though they're room temp iq drug addicts with no self respect.
Yes, and that is another similar problem.
>Maybe just worship power, not benevolence.
Since when does worship bring power? I should think, as Bacon, that ipsa scientia potestas est, knowledge itself is power, which may be gained through thorough exploration of the scientific method, and not blind faith.

>>132076505
Are you responsible for the actions of your grown children?
No?
Well then.

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The world is perfect.

Beautiful girls being raped is part of perfection. If it seems abhorrent, it's because you're looking at it through the lens of human morality. God's view is not distorted by that lens.

If you can't see why tragedy is as important and as necessary as comedy, then you aren't thinking big enough.

>>132086021
I will slit my dick inside you after i rape this little girl i have tied up

>>132076505
I'd reason a devil exists on the opposite side of the spectrum for not only bringing them to commit evils, but for there to be people life dedicated to preventing the rapists and pedophiles being dealt with appropriately. There's already work to normalize pedophilia ongoing now that they've got sodomy and mental sickness about gender to stick.

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>>132084904
Protip: if you can binge all of Black Mirror, you are officially not reddit. /r/blackmirror pussies can barely last through an episode

>>132086074
Do you punish your grown children by burning them in the basement when they disobey you?
no?
well then

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>>132085892
>Exercise free will in heaven and choose to sin
>Am cast out of heaven
>"But you still have free will in heaven, you just aren't allowed to use it"

Heaven actually sounds worse than earth

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>>132076505
Am I in junior high school?

>>132078414
>pretty much this

Although I say "I'd rather not piss this guy off" my actions and ramapant degeneracy speak differently. The number of times I've almost gotten struck by lightning is staggering. I like to think the Lord has a dark sense of humor.

>>132076505
It's all in the Quaran bro, educate yourself

>>132086120
The world is perfect... BECAUSE!

>>132084977
>Jihad against vaccinations
rural retards move over

>>132076505
the fact that you're offended by niggers and paedos raping little girls is enough to prove the existence of god

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>>1320859921
>he unironically thinks all religious folk believe god is a magical man in the clouds
>not juvenile

>>132086184
You can use it, but just like pissing on the bartender, you're going to be kicked out to the alley.

>>132076682
>probabilistic
>makes problems

Can God create a problem that he can't solve?

If he can, then he cannot solve every problem.

If he can't, then he is unable to create everything.

God sometimes need sacrifices

>>132086515
>am fish
>can best fish swim fastest?
>if not, is not fastest fish
see concorde jet above water

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>>132076505
What atheists will never understand is, the material existence is just the place to prepare your soul for heaven or hell. But as they are godless, its the only one they believe in and the only one that matters.

>>132086679
prove it

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>>132086505
So why would I want to go to heaven? What makes heaven good if there is no evil to contrast it?

>>132086515
Can god microwave a burrito so hot even he can't eat it?

If yes, he is not all powerful, there is something too hot for him to eat.

If no, he is not all powerful, he can't make the burrito hot enough.

>>132086861
Well first off, people say it's better than Hell and I don't have too many other invitations pending for my death.

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>>132086394
> vaccinations are un-islamic

>>132086931
plebbit - you have to go back..
>lurk more (2 years)

>>132087013
rip sides

>>132076505
>little girls
>beautiful
kys paedo nigger

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>>132086985
Tbh, I think I'd rather stay on earth. If i have to spend an eternity walking on eggshells and not slipping up even a single time, that sounds more like hell than actual hell

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>anno domini 2kVII
>god still being discussed as some separate entity from the rest of creation

>>132076505
Polytheism => God => Communism => Kekism

>>132076505
God is real.

God israel

DOG ISRAEL

>>132076569
AND NO ONE CARES

>>132076569
Jesus was a slave master

>>132087600
He was a pathological bullshitter that got himself killed. He was probably loaded with STDs.

>>132087572
IF THERE IS A HELL

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>>132087689
ILL SEEE YOU THEEERE

>>132076505
Those are schemes of godless men, not God.

>>132076505
The Gods owe you nothing.

>>132087778
Yeah, they're godless alright. Only schmucks believe in God.

>>132087840
Are "The Gods" the Jews, or something?

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Look everybody, it's God!

>>132087922
Well for Christians that's right. I can see why a Christian would get ass blasted about ops image. As the Christian god claims to love all of mankind.

>>132088094
Too bad the Christians were wiped out by the Communists. Praise Kek!

>>132088094
>claims to love all of mankind.
no he doesnt he only loves christians his sons
the rest are sons of the devil or the wicked

>>132088185
The Democrats!

>>132086515
Retarded nigger.
God's nature is unipetence and omnipotence.
Like a human, god can't act against his nature. He can't create something he can't use / solve / lift. That doesn't speak against his nature though.

>>132076505
free will of the people he does not control us

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>>132088225
Heil Hitler!

>>132088185
>no he doesnt he only loves Christians
I stand corrected, but he oddly doesnt care about dying Christian children. So much for his love of Christians.

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>>132088293
I guess we're intelligent machines now. So much for Göd!

>>132088293

>evolved behaviours
>free will

>>132088320
Indeed, but it feels weird that I have to explain that I'm not a socialist every time someone calls me a Nazi.

>>132076505
>waaaah don't believe in God, he can't stop little girls from getting raped!!!
>believe in Marxism instead!! whose gonna rape our little girls if we don't welcome refugees??!

How's that for a strawman?

>>132088364

all christians go to heaven so it cancels out all present suffering

dying in the bible is a good thing

Philippians 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

>>132076505
Easy, those little girls are just rapists and pedos themselves from a past life.

>>132076505
easy. god is a pedo

>>132076505
buddhism fagit

>>132085620
It WOULD have been an easy choice if the world didn't have over 6000 religions, and no indication as to which is "Real" and which is just humans exercising free will.

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>>132088524
Believe in Kek instead. You don't have a choice, kek.

>>132088863
>over 6000 religions, and no indication as to which is "Real"

Fuck you, mine is clearly the correct one, my parents told me so.

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>>132076505
You pray with actions. Birth was the the miracle: let your hands speak and have your feet walk God's path! End horrors wherever you find them in whatever way you can.

>the rock is both too heavy and liftable.
This paradox is the limit of our brains, just an organ making thoughts just as livers make metabolites. God transcends our mere thoughts.

>>132088656
Can you all just go to Heaven right now and stop dragging everyone else down?

>>132081414
What makes you think you can't fall after Heaven? Lucifer fell and he was pretty high up in the pecking order up there.

>>132080467
Not religious in any commercial sense, but your picrelated meme is wrong.
Suppose there is free will in heaven, it is just there "people"/souls whatever commit no evil and there is no external evils present (ie threats, disease, famine, death, pick your poisons)

>>132076505
Would you interfere with an ongoing scientific experiment?

Yeah, that's what I though. Don't fucking assume you know what's going on.

>>132088854
He raped the virgin mary at 12!

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>>132080557
You sound like a Hermetic. My views align with such too. Maybe check out the book Kybalion, pdfs are easy to come by. It's an interesting take on, well, everything.

Furthermore, what I found endearing had been the ideas which I had toyed around with formerly, to have been further cemented after reading.

>>132076505
Jesus was a nigger. The kang of jews.

>>132076505
i don't think the rapers nor the rapees, are doing much praying. maybe if they did....

>>132087681
Probably anon.

>>132076505

The problem is faith , if god would stop every bad thing there would be no faith it would be just normal

>>132084551
God just IS dude. Just like Time. These are mortal words and meanings.

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>>132076505
>a death worshipping cult that indoctrinates its youth to go out and waste their lives mass converting gooks and niggers and allow them to mass immigrate back into our countries to marry off white girls "in the church" in the hopes that their messiah might come back and destroy the world
>being good for America
Christians are just as bad as muslims, if not worse. It's a shame because all the alternatives are edgy or shit. I really want to believe in a God, just not the God of the semites.

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>>132076505
your move faggot

>>132086515
> using human logic on a divine being