Automation Is Biggest Economic Threat

>guys, this technological advancement is going to result in mass unemployment, unlike literally every other technological advancement in human history!

Let me guess, we need to fix this "problem" that is decades away by even the most optimistic estimates with a universal basic income.

>>132038630
Yeah sure buddy, sure, having robots replacing all the jobs will TOTALLY be like the 1800s which a machine could move up and down with a level.

>>132038492
>Tell me why there hasn't been a ban on automation yet?
Cause meat-puppets like you are less profitable.

>>132038850
Well that's why we need to vote a BAN ON AUTOMATION

>>132038993
No. We need more students in gender studies.

>>132038786

>Yeah sure buddy, sure, having internal combustion engines will TOTALLY be like horse-drawn machines
>Yeah sure buddy, sure, creating assembly lines will TOTALLY be like a single person using replaceable parts to build a product
>Yeah sure buddy, sure, having computers in the office will TOTALLY be like having a small army of clerks processing paperwork and punched cards

Reminder that no matter what fantastical speculations you make you will never be entitled to another private individual's capital.

>>132039334
Are you ok my Croatian friend?

>>132039400
Reminder that no matter how much you try to justify it you will never be entitled to the collectives property aka private property. And it will be different since automation can literally do everything a human can.

>>132039634
Yes. Why do you ask?

>>132038492
I know right? We banned slavery and child labor. But if that's how we're going to go why not just use a system of social dividends after nationalizing industry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dividend#Criticism

>>132039776
Why would you want more people into gender studies?

>>132039835
I am 100% for that!

>>132039854
I don't really do. I was just practicing my sardonicism.

>>132039634

>And it will be different

There you go again.

Here's a serious question: let's go ahead and say that automation will make human workers obsolete. Let's also say it is decades before the majority of workers get replaced (as again is consistent with the most liberal estimates). Why aren't you preparing for that eventuality? Is it because you assume that the state should take care of you instead?

>>132039981
I am failing to understand your overall message

>>132040002
Because i can't prepare, what can i do?

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Automation can be dealt with by transitioning to a post labour scarcity economy. This is inevitable in the long run. Illegal spic labour and outsourcing cannot be.

When all jobs are automated, humanity will become more miserable than ever.

You'll either become obsolete and useless, a relic of a bygone age, or the Government will give you money in the form of a universal income, and social mobility will end completely. Corporations will hold all the power, and people will just become endless consumers.

Life will have no high points to enjoy and low points to strengthen and shape you, it'll all be one long and depressing existence, just like proles from 1984

>>132038492
Trying to pitch an idea to ban the development and progress of sciences in a market that thrives on the constant progress of innovation and invention?

Hahahaha.

Go back to your drawing board, comrade.

The problem with automation is not automation itself.
It is the distribution of wealth that is the problem.
Only automation can bring us to a (((post scarcity))) society.

>>132040293
Get with the program and go for tech careers. not everyone is cut out to be an engineer but someone has to maintain all dem evil machines that come with automation. Pull a Darwin and adapt in order to survive. Beats complaining on 4chan.

>>132038492
Automation is a threat to slave labor-based economies with depleted natural resources (like China)

>>132038492
Back in the 1800's people like you called for a ban on machinery as it made the spinning wheel that spun cotton and fabric defunct which caused mass unemployment.

Without advancing to machinery and listening to idiotic leftists like you humanity would be much less advanced

>>132040572
Also,
It is inherent that the (magical rainbows kike self regulating) market system is going to withhold the advancements to humanity brought by automation.

>>132040328
Nice shit opinion

>>132040358
Oh no

>>132040509
No i want a 1984 based economy where progress halts, it's all about production and consuming of things. Actually more like a Brave New World based economy but with social mobility

>>132040572
So whats that like?

>>132040654
You need a degree for that

>>132038492
We should all be harvesting wheat with our own hands. Transporting them by human-powered vehicles to population centers built with manually crafted masonry. All while using no tools that would make it so fewer people are needed for the job.
That way everyone will have a job.
Also 1000$ minimal wage.

>>132040796
China is communist they are cool with automation since they could redistribute the wealth to their people

>>132040877
You're a moron, it's different this time

>>132040979
I am 100% for this the problem is convincing society to go along.

>>132038492
Communism is the only answer.

>>132041077
Which proves you're either b8 or retarded beyond salvation

>>132041028
You're fantastically retarded if you think China or any of the communist countries have or had welfare like the West.

>>132040925
A degree for wrenching and greasemonkeying? Nope. Just a tech inclined personality and a will to learn. Apprentice -> independent -> master

>>132041157
>argentina
Troll confirmed, get off my thread

>>132041185
You're 100% retarded if you think China doesn't have public roads, public healthcare system, public military, public police force, public a lot of things.

>>132040002
>>132038630
UBI wil lbe inevitable as automatation, UBI or massive decimation of the world population

I do not understand the right wing hatred for UBI to be honest with you, even Friedman himself argued for this nearly 50 years ago, albeit called it negative tax income.

>>132041206
It doesn't matter how intelligent you are. You need a degree and only THEY regulate who gets one and who doesn't.

>>132041310
> public roads, public healthcare system, public military, public police force,

So like every other country in the world? China doesn't have neetbux. You work or you die.

>>132041028
If China ''redistributes the wealth''
Why do they have substantially higher rates of extreme poverty than countries who don't redistribute wealth ???

>>132041028
Why are you calling for a ban on automation then.
Gay fucking commie troll.

Be commie all the way or fuck off.

learn digital art ;^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>132041453
Yeah no shit it doesn't have neetbux. Are you dumb?

>>132041507
Because basically the people pay taxes to the inner party which funds the means of production, the inner party members are tax exempt and they get all the rewards of the profits.

>>132041556
You're obviously a troll, get off my board

>>132041507
Before you mention the reduction in poverty that has taken place in the last few drcades
Is because of Captalist globalisation which China takes part in which has reduced poverty not communism

>>132041434
>You need a degree
YOU need a QUOTE from a reputable source

>>132041790
What a dumbfuck troll

>>132041790
It is ((OUR)) board, fake commie individualist, isn't it?

>>132041938
You're a really bad troll, people like you would be arrested without trial in a communist regime.

>>132041922
In order to get a job at Silcion vlaley or some tech company or engineering company you need a DEGREE. I'm not sourcing common sense

>>132038492
Right now bigger threat to a society is living in an economy that's basically a bubble, we're living on a borrowed time and nobody does shit about this.

The problem with UBI is that it assumes quality of life/consumption will plateau. Automation leads to greater wealth overall, which has allowed people to pursue new industries/ideas for thousands of years. Forcing an economy to plateau with a ban on automation has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard

>>132042347
And you conveniently forget that I stated that someone has to work in maintenance.

>>132040293

>Because i can't prepare, what can i do?

Of course you can. What's your issue with automation? That you don't own the machines (and collect the profit) yourself.

What you and your commie friends could do in the meantime is start your own businesses and generate the capital needed to automate them. Then if your dumb fantasy comes true you'd have all the resources you need, with no input, right? Because these magic machines do all the work for you. And if they don't arrive, you're still making profit.

Or, you could take the opposite tack, and pool your resources to buy farmland. You build your own houses and grow your own food, then you don't have to worry about what machines the capitalist pigs are using, you have everything you need to live on.

Of course, you won't do this, and you never will, because either option requires you to take charge of your own situation, and work to produce for yourself and your family. And through your genetics and conditioning, you aren't capable of doing this, you need to be able to live off the work product of others and the only way you can accomplish that is through the coercive action of the state.

>>132041326

>I do not understand the right wing hatred for UBI to be honest with you, even Friedman himself argued for this nearly 50 years ago, albeit called it negative tax income.

Because UBI is the epitome of r-selection and r-selection is antithetical to civilization.

>>132042624
Someone, but i'd be competing with 6 billiion other people

>>132042753
>Of course you can. What's your issue with automation? That you don't own the machines (and collect the profit) yourself.
Yep

>What you and your commie friends could do in the meantime is start your own businesses and generate the capital needed to automate them. Then if your dumb fantasy comes true you'd have all the resources you need, with no input, right? Because these magic machines do all the work for you. And if they don't arrive, you're still making profit.
I can't afford these machines! I'm not bourgaise

>Or, you could take the opposite tack, and pool your resources to buy farmland. You build your own houses and grow your own food, then you don't have to worry about what machines the capitalist pigs are using, you have everything you need to live on.
I don't have enough money, farm land is very expensive. about a million per farm

>Of course, you won't do this, and you never will, because either option requires you to take charge of your own situation, and work to produce for yourself and your family. And through your genetics and conditioning, you aren't capable of doing this, you need to be able to live off the work product of others and the only way you can accomplish that is through the coercive action of the state.
I work for myself, it's capitalists who work via stealing

>>132042818
Well, that is completely different from any other time in recorded history. Valid point.

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>>132042967

>I can't afford these machines! I'm not bourgaise
>I don't have enough money, farm land is very expensive. about a million per farm

You have literally decades and millions of fellow commies across the country to come up with this money.

>I work for myself, it's capitalists who work via stealing

Right, that's why you need the government to tax other people to provide you with money for breathing.

>>132038492
If this was the earlier 20th century you will be bitching and asking for tractors to be banned since it's taking away jobs of manual labor from the people.

If automation becomes commonplace and cheap it means 2 things.
a) The middle class businessman will have access to some form of mass production previously unaffortable
b) Future generations will have to adapt and seek higher education or just plainly chose other fields of work instead of tightening loose nuts for 8 hours a day.

Lets be real here, whose jobs are being threatened exactly? The vast majority or non-automated mass production is done by sweatshops so what is the issue with making the switch to automation?

>>132043360
I'm just scared man. I'm scared i will be a dissapointment to my family since everyone in my dads side has got good jobs and im worried in 10 years a robot will be doing my job and my dad will kick me out for being a loser and a FREAK!

>>132038492
Economic threat to what, low IQ retards with no skills?

>>132043560
>You have literally decades and millions of fellow commies across the country to come up with this money.
I don't know how i will get them to agree to this

>Right, that's why you need the government to tax other people to provide you with money for breathing.
Sure, taxation is totally the same thing as theft.

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>>132038492
>Tell me why there hasn't been a ban on automation yet?
Alright then you fucking luddite, tell me why every construction worker shouldn't be handed a spoon instead of a shovel. A shovel allows one man to do the work of ten men with spoons. That's nine unemployed men you've created by giving one man a shovel.

>>132043674
No actually the proletariet class aka doctors, lawyers, accountants, bank mangers, investers, financial anyalists, all that shit is SCREWED under automation.

>>132043781
Because that will decrease efficiency and will require more people working and thus raise the price or there would have to be less money. It's different with automation since i don't see a future for myself with all my possible careers being taken from me.

>>132043654
Take a very deep breath, close your eyes, stick your left hand between your thighs and tell me what do you feel there.

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Well if all industry goes automated and there are no workers, then there are no consumers and those industries go bankrupt. The fact is automation is what frees up a civilisation to go on to do bigger and bettet things, probably space colonisation. Well that's what a white civilisation would do.

>>132044097
What are you talking about? I have a dick

>>132043864
Individualist trash.
>my career

flag larping

>tfw stem student building prototypes for an automation company as a part time job
gotta replace them all :D

>>132043864
>i don't see a future for myself with all my possible careers being taken from me.
You retarded fucking tankie what does this even mean? How many eons do expect to live where literally every single job is done by automatons?

Services like nurses and doctors, businessmen, law enforcement, cooking, IT or STEM fields in general and literally everything are going vanish in your reality in the next decade like sponge divers because of automation? And that automation is going to repair, instruct and perpetuate itself? All this in your lifetime?

>Enrolled for EE
Will I get automated, huh? You commie fucks take everything for granted and dont even try to better yourself against the machine.

>>132043801
>(((doctors)))
>(((lawyers)))
>(((accountants)))
>(((bank managers)))
>(((investors)))
>(((financial analysts)))

>>132044245
Yes, but just as I suspected... You didn't mention any testicles.

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>>132038492
>I think this is wrong and has to stop.

We should also get rid of cars because they are more efficient than horses.

Seriously though, if all jobs become automated then we'll just have to abandon capitalism. With mass automation we will have the resources to move beyond it. No big deal. Capitalism didn't exist for most of human history. It's not like capitalism is the end of human progress, it's just the best system we have right now.

>>132043864
Alright, how is a machine that screws cars together different from a shovel in that regard? A shovel can help one man do the labor of 10 men, a tractor can help a man do the labor of 100 men and a computer can help a man do the labor of 1000 men. It's merely an increase in efficiency.

Seriously nigger, the only point at which machines are utterly going to replace humans as a source of labor rather than work as enhancement of human labor will be when they achieve human levels of intelligence (ie. the ability to form independent thoughts). If this is even possible (which I doubt), we're no longer talking about machines here because at that point there's no reason not to confer full human rights on them.

>>132038492
Why is automation bad?

>>132044453
You have no balls! I called you "my croatian friend" and you humilate me on my own thread! FUCK YOU

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>>132038492
>flag
Do you spend all day here shitposting or what?

>>132044423
That's not true. My family is in the law business and we are Scottish.

>>132043781
>>132043864
>tell me why every construction worker shouldn't be handed a spoon instead of a shovel. A shovel allows one man to do the work of ten men with spoons. That's nine unemployed men you've created by giving one man a shovel.
>Because that will decrease efficiency and will require more people working and thus raise the price
Do you even realize the argument you just made?

>>132044382
Well sorry not everyone has a 150IQ and knows complex mathamatical phyiscs.

>>132044751
Because i don't know what job to get. My dad said when he was coming out of university he could get whatever job he want. He had banks offering him jobs on wallstreet and finanical anaylsysts coming to the university and all that and huge law firms auctining for labour. Today you have to beg these companies and work 3 years for free to get them to consider you. Thanks a lot automation freeing up human labour.

>>132044812
Destroys jobs

>>132044889
Now since it's the summer but my dad is making me go back to work

>>132044944
But automation is different since lower prices aren't worth destroying our lives

>>132045172
>Because i don't know what job to get.
Much like how early 1800s farmers didn't know what jobs to get when they were driven off their farms. I hate to be that guy, but the free market *will* fix it. In the absence of a government that actively pays the unemployed to be unemployed, labor will arise because the economy hates idle hands. New jobs will be created, farmers will move to the city to become factory workers and carry on their shoulders the burden of an industrial boom. I can't predict what will happen after automization because I'm no fortune teller, but the historical precedent is on my side, not the side that wants to overregulate the economy.

>>132045172
should have studied maths or physics, if u are good its tsill like that. financial guys want you, consulting firms want you. software firms want you... they all need some small people to do the smart stuff, while the other people do the stupid stuff, thats going to be automatized

>>132045575
*smart people
dont know whats wrong with my writing atm baka senpai

>>132045550
I understand your argument. I'm just scared all the job will be like eletrical engineering, software engineering all that

>>132045575
I can't! I am 18 just got the marks back for physics. I got 51 and 82 in math that's not good enough for anyone to be accepted!

>x guys want you
>y firms want you
>z firms want you

No that's not true. My dad runs a law firm and he even says im a loser and doesn't want me! The future belongs to a small select technocrats, with an even smaller bougaise class, end everyone else will be on welfare or homeless.

Problem isnt that automation takes jobs, its that peoples standards of living stopped increasing alongside productivity

>>132038492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

>>132045269
>But automation is different since lower prices aren't worth destroying our lives
You don't like automation because it increases efficiency allowing fewer people to produce the same amount. But you're ok with shovels because they increase efficiency allowing fewer people to produce the same amount.

They aren't different. You just want an excuse for being jobless that doesn't blame yourself. The sooner you realize this the better.

I'm now 24. When I got out of high school I was offered 3 jobs starting at $20, 22 and 25 per hour because I'd worked hard and proven myself. I grew up in trailer with alcoholic parents. They had steady jobs and could always put food on the table but I'd hardly consider them or myself part of the bourgeois

>>132045872

>I can't! I am 18 just got the marks back for physics. I got 51 and 82 in math that's not good enough for anyone to be accepted!

Maybe it's time to accept the reality that you and the rest of the unremarkable worker bees were predestined for obsolescence.

>>132046575
It's more likley you're just a loser whos poor. However you rationalized yourself being a loser by blaming yourself since you don't want to blame society for your problems. You can't handle being a victim. How the hell would you get 20 an hour right out of highschool? Where the fuck did you work in high-school? I sense bullshit

>>132046634
Or we can vote in special laws.

>>132046943
>It's more likley you're just a loser whos poor. However you rationalized yourself being a loser by blaming yourself since you don't want to blame society for your problems. You can't handle being a victim. How the hell would you get 20 an hour right out of highschool? Where the fuck did you work in high-school? I sense bullshit
Now this is projecting. I started working summers when I was around 13 (mostly did landscaping for old ladies) and when I turned 16 I started working with building contractors. The $25 an hour job would have put me in charge of 3 other people and I didn't think I was ready for that much responsibility. The $22 an hour job would have meant I had to work alongside a bunch of drug addicts and frankly I didn't want to be associated with them.

So I ended up starting out working full time for one of the contractors at $20 dollars an hour (I'm currently up to $25 now). I've learned a lot in the meantime and this fall I'll be applying for my own contractors license. Meanwhile I'm engaged to my gf of 6 years who's a nurse (don't bother asking what tier, I can never remember all the different bullshit titles they have). So yeah because I've been supporting her schooling the last few years I'm 'poor' (0 debt though) but as of a month ago she's started working full time.

>>132048626
>paying her his gfs schooling
>mfw this cuck is working 20/hr to pay for his girlfriend to fuck chads in college
I'm just cuckposting of course. But in all seriousness i don't know how you started landscaping at 13 I'm 18 i've been a lifeguard and i have no fucking idea what's next i see no career opportunities.

>>132046943

>Or we can vote in special laws.

How does it feel to know deep down that you are a net drag on human civilization?

Automation is either a catalyst for communism or a dystopian future in which we are utter slaves of the capitalists or they simply genocide all of us with their robots.

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>>132038492
just inact laws where stuff like homes, furniture and other trivial shit can only be built to human so as to give us some meanins post sacrcity. let all the heavy building be done by robots and try get the eaths population to decreese

people shoud stop freaking out about automation

>>132049367
I'm not a net drag, im not a software engineer or programmer or anything

>>132038993
>reduce the economy's productivity
>that way people will have more access the markets productivity

Commie logic.

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>>132038492
I just hope the automated factories are in the US

cut down on the trade deficit

robots can't do everything

even robot factories will require some maintenance and power

>>132050148
>destroy jobs
>this will somehow give people more money
Ancap logic

>>132038492

UBI will solve your automation problems.

>>132049140
>mfw this cuck is working 20/hr to pay for his girlfriend to fuck chads in college
kek. She's shy and lived with me the entire time. I was able to get work at 13 because this was back in 2006.

I always recommend learning a skill that's not very glamorous personally. For instance, one of the most successful people from my graduating class got his cdl straight out of high school and works somewhere in the North Slope of Alaska 9 months out of the year. His senior year he showed up to probably half of his classes and when he did show up he was drunk/high (although he had to quit all this to get his job). One of the best fields to look into is sanitation because nobody wants to do it. Last year the contractor I work for threw a bid at the local airport to do basic cleaning. He told me that if we won the bid he'd give me a raise to 30 to be a janitor. Somebody else bid just under him though. They're paying their crew like 20-25

>>132044137
this bong gets it, there will be future fields of human endeavour we don't even realize at this point

people need to play more AoE/Civ etc

>>132051172
>kek. She's shy and lived with me the entire time. I was able to get work at 13 because this was back in 2006.
lol again i was just messing with you it's really good that your doing that, but yeah the economy was great in 06

>I always recommend learning a skill that's not very glamorous personally. For instance, one of the most successful people from my graduating class got his cdl straight out of high school and works somewhere in the North Slope of Alaska 9 months out of the year. His senior year he showed up to probably half of his classes and when he did show up he was drunk/high (although he had to quit all this to get his job). One of the best fields to look into is sanitation because nobody wants to do it. Last year the contractor I work for threw a bid at the local airport to do basic cleaning. He told me that if we won the bid he'd give me a raise to 30 to be a janitor. Somebody else bid just under him though. They're paying their crew like 20-25
I thought they normally hire janitors for minim wage though? Never knew it was so expensive.

>>132043721
>I don't know how to get them to agree with this...
Wow, communism sure is successful then!
>...without having the government force them to do it for me
Of course :^)

>>132051786
sure buddy sure.

>>132051547
>I thought they normally hire janitors for minim wage though? Never knew it was so expensive.
This entirely depends on how many illegals you have in your state. I'm sure in CA the contractors just hire mexicans for below min-wage. In majority white states it's hard to find reliable janitors (ones that will actually put any amount of effort into their work)

>>132052217
Also I should note that by sanitation >>132051172 I was including things from wastewater treatment plants to garbage pickup

>>132052217
What's CA? You mean Canada or Calarado?

>>132052529
California of course

>>132052702
Oh ok good. Just making sure i knew what you were saying. Was thinking you had some hack and could see through my flag.

>>132038492
I'm a boomer who got into industrial automation and robotics back in 1986.

Feels good to see all the groundwork is finally paying off.

>>132050438
You're assuming jobs would be wiped out and not converted into something else like every other time in history.

>>132042753
>Because UBI is the epitome of r-selection and r-selection is antithetical to civilization.

Look, If automation happens, and if millions, not hundreds, not thousands but millions of people's jobs, lifetime education will be obselete and you don't give them food and shelter, things will go down, pretty hard and pretty fast.
Similar to foodstamps, it doesn't exist out of liberal benevolence, it exist to prevent people from chimping out & prevent far left far right movements to exploit the starvation to further their agenda.

If you don't have UBI yeah you will not have r-selection, there will riots wars on a mass scale, but hey after the dust setttles you will have your "survival of the fittest", not that it would matter then.

It is UBI or Barbarism, you have no other choice, it seems to me that if your competitive world view will become obsolete in the future you rather see the world burn than to live in a place that is contarary to your dog-eat-dog view.

>>132038492
are you starting to realize just how useless you will be in the future? you know they have no eeason to keep someone who is as worthless as you alive either. They will cull us after automation perfection. So change your fucking flag before you die

>>132044137

>implement UBI
>now there are consumers

>>132052847
How did you learn? I read once you're an adult your brain can't learn to code.

>>132052952
I'm not useless, i am useful to vote for a UBI government

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>>132052850
>b...but muh automation

>>132038492
>I think this is wrong
Why? Why are you against optimization?

>>132053597
I'm pro-job, that's how i see it. I want a job when i get older i don't want to grow up and not be able to get a job. im 18 before you take that the wrong way.

>>132052918
The problem with your argument is that you both assume that automation means all jobs are automated and that this wouldn't result in an increase of standard of living because of people moving to new industries.

You're arguing against using shovels (see earlier in the thread)

>>132038492
https://youtu.be/OEkT14RBzDI

>>132038492
>it's wrong for other people to use machines instead of paying me to do it
Welcome to the real world where people don't owe you anything and you're responsible for providing for yourself

>>132053773
The irony is that this problem alludes to the "bread and games" deal without even realizing what this actually means: the upper classes keeping the lower classes quiet and obedient through food and trinkets. Give them enough to feed themselves, and they'll stop whining about the patricians driving the plebs out of political life and society in general.

>>132052850
>like every other time in history
except thats never how it fucking worked. Every time this has happened yes, some new kinds of jobs were created, but it was never enough to replace everything.

In the past this worked ok because we didnt use fiat currency. If a farmer had to do less work he made the same amount of food still, he just had more leisure time.

But in the modern world you dont get paid for what you do, you get paid for time spent, and you dont own what you spend your effort on, you just get money for it.

The way to combat automation like we did in the past would be to lower the number of working hours per day while keeping the annual wages the same. This would let everyone keep jobs but benefit from the higher efficiency, this is how its worked every time in the past

But it wont work that way this time because we our idea of value has been totally abstracted away. It will work better to go to UBI, assuming we want to keep consumer-driven economy alive at all, which seems the safest bet, dont want to make too many changes at once after all.

>>132053743
What industries could people move into? Because a machine can do it better

>>132054410
Well im going to vote for laws that make them give me stuff

>>132054695
stop whining bro.

>>132038492
People want customer service and wont eat robotic Mcdonalds. Their stock would plummet and they know it. Their are no job losses to dignify patronizing a shithole fast food chain that doesnt hire.

Honestly I hope they do because it would make the transition easier for low income americans.

>>132053743
automation kills low-mid skill jobs. High skill jobs will always be around until advanced AI, which we're all fucked at that point.

Whats a human worth? In western societies, the value of a human is pretty high, roughly 400k on average in the US. Whats the value of a nigger in Africa? Automation is available, but it's cheaper to give them sledgehammers to break rock to make a road. Also reduced liability in terms of equipment maintenance and nigs stealing and breaking shit.

Humans are pretty cheap to produce really. All it takes is food and water.

>>132054998
>People want customer service and wont eat robotic Mcdonalds.

I would rather get my hamburger from a vending machine like they do in enlightened nippon

>>132055076
things like doctors and lawyers are going to be replaced before hvac and locksmiths.

When you think about it from an automation point of view any job that just consists of thinking only requires a smart enough machine. Likewise factory jobs can be done by crude robots that stay in the same place and exist within a well defined and controlled environment doing predictable things. A job that requires moving around within the physical human inhabited space, problem solving, adapting to each individual scenario, and interacting with humans in person, that requires both a smart machine and quality robotics.

Itl be automated too one day, of course, but it will be the last kind of thing to be automated.

>>132054741
UBI is inherently retarded, it would only make sense in a market where individuals didn't work but for some reason need to exchange value still.

Its like bizarro communism. No work, lots of money. No money, lots of work. Though in practice I bet they perform the same.

>>132054750
A lot of people like to answer that question with new tech. But the more realistic answer to your question is construction/art/maintenance/some other common industry. For example, my town used to be a large timber exporter. When in became cheaper to produce lumber elsewhere a lot of people were laid off. These out of work people had more time to work on their homes (increasing home value; standard of living). As a construction worker myself I see that most homes were added on to around this time period. The town is also now a large exporter of artistic work and photography

>>132055076
>High skill jobs will always be around until advanced AI, which we're all fucked at that point.
Beta testers and other IT experts are probably first in line to be replaced though.

>>132038492
Automation is the thing that make the today world work, as it we can produce more with less and dedicated time and other resources on other business, its why there is a boom in world population as its more food is produce witch and every year, the same to medicine, because of it the average daily income world wide got up 3 to 30 dollars in one century (up to 100 in first world countries) and so on. Capitalism is not a zero sum game, and automation generate more wealth for everyone.

>>132038492
Once unemployment hits 50% what stops people from voting in a party banning automation and declaring coders "enemy of the people"?

>>132040572
It goes against the laws of thermo dynamic and post scarcity economy, distribution of wealth is not the problem poverty is and its much cause by state intervention in the economy.

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>>132043622
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Automation should be regulated, as well as outsourcing.

As much as I am against regulation, such things do have an effect on workers -- and not necessarily for the better.

We're not there yet
It's definitely going there but we're not at this pure data, post scarcity world where we need to create a new system yet

I'm thinking we're still 30 years away, 2050s is where there'll probably be real pressures and a crisis

>>132055828
There can never be an art based economy since it depends on popularity. Home improvement only works if you have people to buy it

>>132055943
Capitalism is 0 sum. For every transaction someone loses money.

>>132055104
Is it Mcdonalds or some Jap knock-off

>>132041326
UBI is just feudalism and it means end of social mobility.
If you can't work, you can't get rich. People inheriting wealth(which includes land and property) will always be over you and their place will be cemented.

>>132053323
why would they ever keep you around to vote, you're a fucking fool. they won't NEED you to vote, idiot. hell they don't even need us now

>>132056251
If people lose money is not capitalism, as it is simple and voluntary exchange between parties.

Automation will be the start of the next communist revolution.

The communists will be living off stockpiles while waiting for the majority to get desperate before stepping out and offering a solution.

Desperates will then attack en masse and destroy the country, forcing a total rebuild where the rich who played the long con will benefit.

>>132056222
Regulations will only make things more costly for the enterpriser and the workers, it will mean less job and less competition and a creation of monopoly on the hands of few.

>>132045550
>uch like how early 1800s farmers didn't know what jobs to get when they were driven off their farms. I hate to be that guy, but the free market *will* fix it. In the absence of a government that actively pays the unemployed to be unemployed, labor will arise because the economy hates idle hands. New jobs will be created, farmers will move to the city to become factory workers and carry on their shoulders the burden of an industrial boom. I can't predict what will happen after automization

You know what happened after Industrial Revolution ?
Two World Wars, Communism, Nazism and industrial genocide.
Humanity would be better off without it. In fact our peak condition was when we were hunter gatherers(they were healthier than we are today and had the same life expectancy)

>huge manufacturing revolution occurs where machine vision enables robot arms to build anything

>guys just let china make everything!!!

>>132038492

If Europe and the U.S. would tell your precious commie unions to fuck off, and automate more, then there would be no excuse to import more shitskins.

So, fuck off you communist LARPer.

>>132052918
>Look, If automation happens, and if millions, not hundreds, not thousands but millions of people's jobs, lifetime education will be obselete and you don't give them food and shelter, things will go down, pretty hard and pretty fast.
>Similar to foodstamps, it doesn't exist out of liberal benevolence, it exist to prevent people from chimping out & prevent far left far right movements to exploit the starvation to further their agenda.

Exactly what about this do you think will last? We've had a welfare state for six decades now and without exception the trend has been unsustainable benefits and unsustainable debt growth.

You, among others, need to face reality. As long as we allow people the specter of free resources we are doomed to inevitable collapse. You may be able to forestall it with gimmicks like UBI but allowing wealth transfer to exist in our society is like riding in a car with no brakes towards a cliff. You can either jump out now and hurt yourself a little or you can wait until later and see some real pain.

Democracy and the welfare state is nothing more than a prole vacation. We're financing standards of living for people that are far beyond the realm of feasibility. Reality is going to hit and hit hard, and all the rabbits who depended on free resources are either going to change their mindset or die.

>>132056251
>There can never be an art based economy since it depends on popularity
This statement is contradictory
>Home improvement only works if you have people to buy it
This is incorrect. Home improvement increases your standard of living whether or not you sell

>>132056358
So buying food isn't capitalism since i lose money?

>>132038492
What you are complaining about is like horse tamers complaining about the car, or home made textiles vs industry. It is the way the world is going. Adapt or die.

>>132056547
sure

>>132056563
fuck off larping stormweenie

>>132056665
No it's not contradictatory, and home improvement won't improve shit if your starving because no food.

Automation won't led to post-scarcity as things as property, land ownership, intellectual rights will still exist and can't be replaced by automation.
Robots won't pay your rent, and the rich will still own houses on Malibu Beach.

>>132055383
>things like doctors and lawyers
Automation will reduce a lot of the support staff these professions require. Liability will be deciding factor in the future when it come to determining a responsible party. Who do you sue?

But yea I see your argument. A static profession is one that's easier to replace. Knowledge and intelligence are two completely different things.
It's one thing to sift through a bunch of records and find an appropriate solution,but appealing to people through convincing, lying, empathy etc are incredibly difficult concepts that only advanced AI could achieve.

A more dynamic profession, one that requires people to travel to a location, analyze the situation and apply a unique fix are going to be harder to replace, but not immune. Again, it will require AI.

>>132055862
>Beta Testers and IT experts
>high skill
lol

>>132038492
I've worked at McDonalds and there's no robot there.

>>132056731
You obtained a good, you didnt lost it, you now have food to not die and continuing producing and doing other things and the guy who sells can invest in his own business to continuing producing and expanding.

>>132056781
It's different since ALL jobs will be taken ever

>>132057014
>lol
IT guys are the highest skilled guys on earth

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>>132056626
they will not die. millions will create a formless mass and will kill your family and slit your throat. they will rape, pillage and plunder everything you worked for and there is nothing you can do against the force of sauron. the age of men is over.

>>132057030
Go to Macdonalds, i just went there, no human workers

>>132057137
I will soon run out of cash as a robot took my job.

>>132056855
>No it's not contradictatory
>>132056665
>There can never be an art based economy since it depends on popularity
You state that there cannot be an art based economy and you go on to say that 'it' (the value of an art based economy) depends on popularity. This is objectively contradictory

>and home improvement won't improve shit if your starving because no food.
You're right that it won't help if you're starving but it does in fact increase the value of your home and your quality of living

>>132038492
While it is true that the number if jobs in the usa has not really increased, and technology has greatly progressed. However do not assume corolation with cause. Because also durring this time we have had 2 major recessions and are entering another one. More regulations came up durring this period. Wages around the world sharply increased. Wage, Rent, and Price controls also increased and would have the largest impact on jobs.

And in the long run most jobs will be computerized. However self employment, artisans, architects, programers, authors, and face to face communication will allways be there and will shape the face of our 5th incarnation of our ever evolving econemy. So get specialized and employ your self you stupid commie.

>>132057964
>So get specialized and employ your self you stupid
There won't be jobs for everyone.
We can just as well vote for party that will give us your wealth.

>>132038492
automation is a meme that only came in to the political dialogue due to Democrats trying to counter Trump's plan to bring back jobs
the Democrats didn't want to admit that they had sold out the working class and so they are trying to say that the working class was screwed anyway
any production engineer knows that an automated process requires so many lines of code which require so many programmer hours, and specialized machines that wear out after so any cycles
sometimes it really is cheaper to pay a human to do something
and of courses this is only for a controlled production environment, forget using automation for working on a customer site where there are all kinds of variables and the risk is much higher
goddamn humans will be hanging drywall for the foreseeable future as a "carpenter bot" would be a multibillion dollar development even if it could be made

>>132057964
IDIOT! An economy can never be based on popularity