Germany why

Press F to pay respects

They didn't legalize it though?

It would take a constitutional vote and they don't have the votes to do that. Yesterday's vote will be struck down by a court.

Do people really write articles without a minute of research?

You still have Merkel, she will carry on that Nazi flame.

>>131991040
F
fourth reich is nao fourth reacharound

>>131991040
Our politicians are cucked so hard man

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>>131994311
Noo, fucking mobile phone
I meant KEK

>>131994350
WTFFFFFFFFF
I MEANT KEK

>>131994376
WTFFFFFFFFF
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>>131991583

What no, they don't. They basically do whatever the fuck they want and everybody has to do their bidding else they are racist or nazis.

>>131994000
yea but they held the line on gay marriage for a while
this is probably a consequence of donald trump. I assume this decision was made off a vote and trump mobilized a lot of lefties.

>>131994409
whoa easy there Zbigniew

Tell me one reason why gay marriage should be illegal.

>>131994498
because even leftist married guys will admit to you "don't get married unless you have kids"
this is a common talking point with men since the beginning of marriage. it's a big deal, just ask the MGTOWs. marriage is only for the production of children.

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>>131994409

You seem to be a special kind of stupid

>>131991583
>American thinks Germany is a rightful, sovereign state
Are you retarded? It doesn't work that way here.

>>131994409
Cuck

>>131991040
GERMONEY YES

>>131994562
I understand many people not wanting to get married because it can be very one sided if there is a divorce and such.
But that's not really a reason for it to be ILLEGAL.

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>>131994498
Sodomites are an abomination

>>131994713
its not about the one sided nature of divorce (in our contemporary age.) it's about the children produced in the union of these two people. if there was no child involved it wouldn't be so one sided in the first place.

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>>131994409
>cuck autocorrected to kek
kek

>>131994498
>Tell me one reason why gay marriage should be illegal.
Because men kissing is icky and even though "all men are equal before the eyes of the law" is the cornerstone of the American legal system and our constitution, gays are gross and should be excluded.

>>131994759
Wearing cloth made from two fabrics is also an abomination according to the bible. Leviticus 19:19

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>>131991040
I'm sorry.

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>>131991040
>implying

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>>131994958

Are you seriously trying to compare re[probate sodomites with wearing cloth mafe from two fabrics?

Damn what a difference 75 years~ can make, Germany going from one of the most bad ass countries to ever exist and now its turned into this, a place where faggots can marry.

>>131994759
You don't like gay people so you think gay marriage should be illegal?
Didn't /pol/ get mad when feminists were trying to ban the red pill movie because they didn't like it.

What are the tangible negative impacts on the world if same-sex marriage is legal everywhere.

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Everyone is talking about this shit, it's unimportant and stupid, our politicians just used this shitty law to get more attention to that shit instead of the censorship law they voted for after this.

Guess what? It's now illegal to have a different opinion on anything that the state doesn't like, but hey wave gay-marriage now, worth isn't it?

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>>131995185
>What are the tangible negative impacts on the world if same-sex marriage is legal everywhere.

It is a mockery of traditional values and contributes to the moral decay of society and debases the institution of marriage

>>131994498
Faggots shouldn't even exist. Is that enough?

>>131995185
fuck you dude its not about hating gay people
gay people are not parents, you can't redefine this shit. it means what it means.

>>131995259
the fuck

Marraige is a religous institution, it has nothing to do with the state.

The government cannot legalise it, it is not within their jurisdiction to do so.

>>131995072
I'm pointing out that the stories and information printed in the Bible are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything written there as fact.

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>>131995415
*tips fedora*

Either way you don't even need religion per se to condemn sodomites

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1. legalize gay marriage
2. import millions of sandniggers who loathe the concept of gay marriage
3. ???
4. profit!

>>131995413
>it has nothing to do with the state.
Except you can't file jointly if you aren't married, you don't have equal visitation rights in a hospital because you aren't a "family member", and a lack of various other secular legal rights that come from being married.

>>131995283
>It is a mockery of traditional values and contributes to the moral decay of society and debases the institution of marriage
That's all subjective

>>131995291
Why should they not exist?

>>131995312
>gay people are not parents
There are loads of gay people who have had kids, either because they had kids with someone of the opposite sex before they came out, or before they turned gay.
Many gay couples have adopted babies, a lot of people who have kids don't deserve them or don't have the ability to care for them properly and raise them in a stable upbringing, mainly drug users.

>>131994498
Because the entirety of human civilisation is based on the family unit, consisting of a man and woman in an indissoluble union and bringing children into the world. Tampering with this formula leads to chaos.

And before you ask, yes, I am also against fornication and divorce.

marriage is a governmental institution. the government must recognize its citizens so it recognizes people who get married and gives them different rights. why should two men or women who are playing pretend with the reproductive union get the same right as people who actually produce children?

>>131995259
Let's hope someone will go to the constitutional court very soon. maybe both laws are unconstitutional.

>>131995504
No, you don't need any excuse at all to be irrational and decide "I don't like that, so no one should!"

>>131995598
>Because the entirety of human civilisation is based on the family unit
What about heterosexual couples that never have kids? Should they be locked up?

>>131994421
Don't forget xeno-, islamo- & homophobe and sexist

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>>131991040
Nobody cares, right? Gay lives together. Married or not married. The marriage is nowdays just a name and tax thing. And nobody cares about the church anymore.
So almost nothing changed.

We have other problems. Bigger problems. Like mudslimes.

>>131995607
>hy should two men or women who are playing pretend with the reproductive union get the same right as people who actually produce children?

Because they pay taxes, because (in the United States) it's unconstitutional to have laws that single out classes of people.

>>131995596
>There are loads of gay people who have had kids, either because they had kids with someone of the opposite sex before they came out, or before they turned gay.
Many gay couples have adopted babies, a lot of people who have kids don't deserve them or don't have the ability to care for them properly and raise them in a stable upbringing, mainly drug users.
it would be better for a child to stay with his drug addled parents than be adopted to homosexuals. how else would be know himself and his own DNA? orphan kids are already fucked, no need to fuck them even more.

>>131995635
I really hope that, I have no more faith in our country, I was until yesterday always saying that I love Germany but I can't say that anymore, I am so disappointed in the government, our people it's everything, we have no voice anymore, we probably never had, they are playing games with us and we have to acceppt it or get buttfucked in prison by the "new germans"

I don't know what to do, seriously, how can I as a person do something, I don't want to be silent anymore it pisses me off so much

>>131995724
they're not a class of people. gay is not the same as rich or poor.

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>>131995649
>"I don't like that

Actually that's the basis of nearly every policy. Sodomites are reporbate minds and morally repugnant therefore they shouldn't have any rights. You don't have any innate rights you operate under license from society. Your "lifestyle" is antithetical to the moral standards of any decent society so you must be thrown in the psych ward.

>>131991040


that will for sure bode well with the noew 10% Merkel-People / Merkel-Germany ( migrants )

I expect bloodbaths.
Gonna be funny af

>>131995746
>it would be better for a child to stay with his drug addled parents than be adopted to homosexuals.
That's absolutely absurd.
This just proves again that you simply hate gays and have no actual good reason for gay marriage to be illegal.

>>131995704
It does matter cuz faggots shouldn't even fucking exist. There gross people that are overly weird. I could rant about this for days but u see gays should be put in concentration camps.

>>131995779
A "class" is a subset, you retard. "Red haired people" is a class of people, if you have a law that says "red haired people have to pay extra", that's unconstitutional. Gay is a characteristic, like any other feature, even more so than "rich" or "poor", now please think harder next time before posting.

>>131994409
KEK

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>>131995936
Sodomites make terrible parents not to mention that many of them are potential pedophiles and child rapists. Look at (((Milo))) grooming young kids is considered acceptable among sodomites

>>131996025
Lol, is this still a thing mods?

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>>131995989
You should visit cologne someday. Gays and Turks EVERYWHERE!

>>131995686
If they make a specific choice to never have children, their marriage should be annulled.
If it's an infertility disorder, they should be encouraged to adopt

>>131995862
Nice LARPing.

>>131994437
It's because the greens and socialists all had that as a campaign promise. It's how Merkel works - she "fulfills" the promises of others so as to have no competition, than backpedals. Everybody knows that's how it goes, but as she inevitably destroys the appeal of her "opposition" to the tard masses at the last minute we would be powerless even if our election mattered for anything other than which party Brussels selects our government from. It is our hilarious ironic punishment for Bismarck blowing out the early communists with the introduction of welfare.

>>131991583
Votes have never mattered

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>>131996178

I am just describing reality you hysterical fag without pseudo intellectual abstract platitudes. Stay mad.

>>131996338
>mad
How could I be mad that the first world is adopting gay marriage and your only recourse is to larp on a cantonese silk screen trading board?

>>131996495
Sodomites in the Weimar Republic were also celebrating all the "progress" until Hitler took power and reversed all that in a single year and got rid of all the filth.

>>131991040
The tanned Germans are gonna hate this

>>131994498
Because it adds nothing of value to society, like normal marriage does.

>>131995413
Wrong, this changed when Marriage gained legal status and legal benefits. At that point it ceases to be a purely religious institution and is now a legally defined one.

It's right to legalise it.

Let this be a warning to all religions. As soon as you stick your backwards bullshit in to our laws, the government and people now own them.

>>131991040
The first Muslim country to legalize gay marriage

In other news, the great reunifier of Germany, former Chancellor Hemut Kohl, defender of the west against the forces of Communism, mentor to Darth Merkel, is given the highest honors at his funeral.

>>131991583
>votes matter
>in germany

Kek the goverment literally does whatever the fuck they want and everybody stays quiet because they think it's supposed to be that way

The law is unconstitutional and will be removed by germanys highest court as soon as somebody sues. (he court has already decided in the past decided that gay marriage is unconstitutional). Unless the people voting for it can get enough of a majority to change the basic law, gay marriage won't become legal.

As for why it should stay illegal: it's proven that children raised by homo couples or single parents are more likely to develop personality disorders or mental sicknesses, so gays shouldn't be allowed too adopt except in extreme cases - just like singles, drug addicts and convicts aren't. Since they will not be raising children, they do not deserve the tax cuts meant to allow couples to save up money to raise children. Due to this, they should not be allowed to enter civil marriage.
In my opinion, the other parts of civil marriage (not having to testify against each other in court, inheritance rights, getting full information if partner is hospitalized) should also apply to homos, but that could be done without legalising gay marriage by creating a new form of legal partnership.

>>131995413
In germany, there is a civil marriage, which basically means inheritance and information rights, lesser taxes and the possibility of adoptng a child that isn't related to either partner.

>>131995724
Bullshit. Even in the US it's legal to single out classes of people - there's laws targeting only convicts or sexoffenders.

>>131994409
>newfag doesn't know cuck in all caps translates to kek because of the filter
>using a phone
lurk for 6 months before posting

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Bumping with some reading.

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The Policitians voted Yes on "Marriage for all", that was the exact term they were using. However, they also recently voted Yes on that Marriage for Underage People (under 18) should be outlawed and if a married couple with a person under 18 moves to Germany, the Marriage will be made void.

Another fact. Gay Marriage Rights are a topic here for over 15 years already. Movements for Gay Marriage Rights and votings often failed because of two najor reasons:

1. The major political and leading party in Germany is the "CDU", the Christian Democratic union of Germany.
2. Obligation to vote in accordance with party policy

The CDU always has been the opinion that Gay Marriage should not be allowed. Note here, the CDU describes as its basic values "freedom, solidarity, justice", which are derived from "their Christian-social, liberal and value-conservative roots" (I'm not bashing on religion here, the point here is the contradiction). For the recent vote on the "Marriage for all", the obligation to vote in accordance with party policy was lifted. With 623 given votes, 393 members of the parliament voted Yes (63.082%). 226 No votes, four abstained.
Our Chancellor, Angela Merkel (also CDU), voted No.

And even while the majority voted Yes, it will probably take another half year until it is actually "allowed" by law.

You'll see that contradiction is normal in politics, but especially here in Germany. I don't think that anyone specific is at fault for this, but everyone. Politicians/Parties here don't work together, instead they work against each other, the big reason why everything is so slow here. I don't know how fast things work in other countries, but personally I find it a big annoyance that it takes 8-10 years on average here to establish new laws. Not to mention that generally the Politicians only start reacting to something after bad things happen.

>>131997499
Havent you heard of the latest experience our chancellor had, that made her cancel the "Frakionszwang".

>>131991040
One report says that all 8 Muslim members in German parliament voted FOR gay Marriage!

>>131994498
Marriage is about starting a family. Two men or two women can't start a family. If you just want muh love, nothing stops you from having a same sex partner and living with him.

>>131991583
The constitution does not prevent gay marriage.


Also I don't see what the fuzz is about, Germany already had same sex civil unions that were virtually identical with marriage for years. Literally the only thing that this vote has changed is that gay couples can now adopt.

>>131998711
No. Marriage is just an official partnership recognized by the government to share property and money.

government says only 20% of germans oppose the law
>i wonder about that

>>131994958
>gays are gross and should be excluded
Gays aren't excluded of shit, it's just that gay marriage is a contradiction in terms, in the same sense that men are """"excluded"""" from childbearing.

>>131998831
Nothing stops you from sharing money with your bf. The root of marriage is making a family.

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>>131998621
>When a country that was riddled with nazis 70 years ago is more progressive than Australia

>>131998961
If you adopt some brat, you now are caring for a family.
The government is fine with people adopting all those useless brats wasting government money in orphanages.

>>131998163
>They also recently voted Yes on that Marriage for Underage People (under 18) should be outlawed and if a married couple with a person under 18 moves to Germany, the Marriage will be made void.
Ironic, since the charter from the first gay rights convention called for the abolition of age of consent laws.

Don't worry it won't last long.
The coming caliphate will reverse that.

>>131998881
I don't think that's unreasonable.
Most people don't care.

Like I personally don't like it, but I don't think that's reason enough to outlaw it.

>>131994409
KEK

>>131995593
Those rights are granted by the state, not by the institution of marriage, the two are not one and the same.

>>131996902
>this changed when Marriage gained legal status

How can a body grant itself power of that of which it has none? It cannot.

>>131997499
>there is a civil marriage

There is no such thing. You can label it as whatever you wish, but marriage is a religious institution between a man and a woman under the jurisdiction of God, not of some puffed up parasitic government leech.

>>131995759
let i burn, the west needs to restart

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Maybe islam isn't so bad for germany.

>>131994498
Because the concept of marriage is useless in our time

Has anyone seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8l40jT1N67M
http://fortune.com/2017/06/30/germany-law-social-media-hate/

"On a day overshadowed by a historic vote to legalize same-sex marriage, German lawmakers formally approved a new law that will expose social media companies such as Facebook to heavy fines if they fail to take down hate speech and other criminal content."

>>131997149
Sadly this

>>131994594
No, he is right. The constitutional court said before that they cannot call gay partnerships marriage but will just have to go with civil unions. If this was brought in front of the court it would be repealed.

But they'd need 25% of the parliamentarians to bring it there and even though they would easily have those going by the "no" votes, you can be sure as fuck that they would not get them. Because most of those CDU cucks only voted "no" because they knew the vote would go through even without their approval.

They are secretly glad about this because otherwise they would have had troubles forming a coalition - SPD, Greens and FDP all said that gay marriage would be a non-negotiable demand, while the CSU is against it. One of them would have to back down, which none of them would want to do.

The media pushes this as an accident from Merkel's side, but it was fully intentional to secure the assured chancellorship for herself.

>>131994498
>slippery slope
>sex with mules
>eww gross
>nazi larp

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>>131994562
>>131998711
Shouldn't marriage be illegal for the infertile and the unwilling too then?

>>131996319
>It's how Merkel works - she "fulfills" the promises of others so as to have no competition

Amazing that some conservatives will vote for her.
The only thing she ever does is implement promises from the left, that's literally all you get with her.

>>131995072
are those fuckers in the background applauding him?

>>131991040

once the imams take over theyll be purged. Am I the only one who thinks Islam is the saviour of Europe?

>>132002538
>implying that demanding fertility tests, and witnessed copulation to ensure there's sufficient attraction are wholly non-objectionable
No. Fag couples are categorically sterile. No medical tests, no psychoanalysis needed. That's just the way it is. Makes no sense equivocating their relationships with a proper family.

>>131991040
It will be shot down because it's against the constitution.

>>131994311
>>131994350
>>131994376
>>131994409

>polish subhuman can't into the four chinz

colour me surprised

>>131994498

Because it means manifesting degeneracy in law which means decay for all of us.

Heard they got rid of internet anonymity at the same time. Sneaky.

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>>131998778
>couples can now adopt
They shouldn't, and calling it marriage implies they have the same worth to a society as normal couples. The appeasing bullshit has to stop at some point.

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>>131991040
>some german cities have less than 50% germans
>more turkish flags than nazi flags in '39
>niggers everywhere
>turks shitskins
>trucks of love

what nazi germany, you got your balls cutted off after WWII

>>132003191
If I get a vasectomy, the government can easily find that out from my records without any testing. Should i be prohibited from marrying then?
Also, those fags can still adopt or even have their own babies with a bit of outsiders help.
Are you sure the family aspect is the reason for your opposition?

>>131994498
Because fuck you

All faggots should be hanged, no need to get into long winded arguments with depraved fools about why the obvious is obvious.

>>131994498
because family is one man one woman + child

faggots and their addled brains needing constant attention

>>131994409
KEK

>>132003817
Vasectomies are by and large reversible. No amount of arguing fringe cases will invalidate the general notion. Fag couples are categorically sterile. They do not result in families. The state has no reason to prop up something which confers no benefits whatsoever to the state or the people.

Fags just want subsidies aimed at families. Marriage is supported by the state precisely because it results in families, demographics being of paramount importance to the state. It's simple greed, zero sum politics. Begging for handouts. The faux indignation of fags when anyone dismisses their cries of "gimme that" is laughable. You have no shame.