The last 3 days people have been looting for food and i have

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>>131979698

Did Venezuelans deserve this /pol/?

They really think McDonalds is what separates Capitalists from Communists?

>>131979831
>fell for the socialism meme

probably

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>>131979856
They believe mcdonald in venezuela apply for private property, therefore there is not way socialism is being implemented in venezuela because private property exists

>>131979698
>Maduro created crisis
>Socialism will work
Capitalism works with human nature- socialism does not.
People will do more for themselves than they will for the collective.

>>131979698
can you believe they let another country fall under the "not the right socialism" meme? Sorry I wish you could get out

You should play This war of mine. It will help you relax.

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>>131979698

>>131979698
can you get mail? i'll send you some cheetos and toilet paper

>>131979698

I'm sincerely sorry to hear that. It's infuriating that the state of Venezuela is largely ignored in the international press.

>>131979698
RARE

>>131979698
>Maduro created crisis
At best, Maduro is simply using Venezuela's gov't to enrich himself- even if that means doing what the people want (running country into ground).
At worst, Maduro is naively trying to make an anti-human/unnatural economic policy (socialism) work.
Communism cannot start when a people are already poor- your country is fucked.

>>131979698
>How they could blame anything else but not socialism?

It is the exact same thing as mothers of mass murderers that try to defend their son, socialism is a Utopian ideology that people simply want to work. Any obvious evidence showing why it doesn't work doesn't matter, and if it works for one second then they will praise it as a grand triumph (Everyone including Bernie "no refunds" Sanders called Venezuela a shining example of socialism)

>>131980094
>Venezuela and Brazil CURRENTLY failing
>Bernie still got majority of Dem support
Leftism is a mental disorder.

>>131980247

It's not rare yet, wait a few months for them to completely lose internet then we'll see

That sucks those cops were forced to beat that guy because of climate change.

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>>131980078
As in 2002 during the 'coup d'etat funded by the cia', this crisis was conceived to accumulate power, using the state for that purpose, dismantling the parliament, blocking the public ministry, calling for a unconstitutional election to reform the state, which is a eufemism for full communism, while having the judicial branch in their side and also the electoral council

socialism 21st century was about creating a revolution abolishing the state slowly while at the same time El Hombre Nuevo (the new men) was being revolutionized

>>131979698
When Chavez had the arrogance to offer gas subsidies to our "poor", I quit paying attention. I almost went to Caracas on vacation about 25 years ago or so. It was Caracas or San Jose. San Jose won the coin toss. Taking at face value that you don't blame all the problems on the USA (which is currently fashionable), I wish you well, anon, but I wouldn't even want to guess who to root for down there at this point. Who to believe? When shit gets put back together and it looks safe enough for an old white guy to contribute some tourism bucks, I'll go and spend them. Until then, good luck and Godspeed.

>>131980373
This is one reason why people tend to be liberal when younger, and conservative when older. Socialism sounds wonderful, but then you grow up, and realize it doesn't work.

>>131980178
that isnt possible, but thank you. Mail coming from the US and other countries aligned against the dictatorship is blocked for us

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Sounds like you need RIGHT WING DEATH SQUAD

>>131979698
Is that the Chicago flag?

>>131979698
eat bugs they're high in protein

>>131980524
While new leaders DO benefit from gov't coups, they do not cause them- they simply position themself accordingly.
The truth is that Venezuelians caused their crisis.

>>131979698
Good luck venezuebro, we are leading for the same path here in Canada I'm afraid... Maybe it is time for you to form a guerrilla and become the hero South America needs.

>>131979698
Yeah yeah, that's sad. But hey! You had socialism™, wasn't it cool?

I really hate when a crowd start beating only one man, I would like to behead all of them in front if their family

get to florida and we'll shit post together anon

or I might call ICE on you

it's worth the risk though

>>131979698
Is there a Fascist movement in Venezuela?

>>131979698
>how are foreigners so blind about venezuela?

Not blind. I'm enjoying watching your collapse, you subhuman ape.

Protip: pick up a gun and fight back

Oh...wait, you gave them up.

Now you die :^)

>>131980806
Nah man how could you leading to that path in a way that something happens before 2050 has passed?

>>131979698

I feel terrible for you Venezuela. Left wing libtards refuse to see what has destroyed your country, and that is socialism. They are brainwashed like your paramilitaries

>>131979698
how come the news aren't talking about this much?

why isn't any food getting in from other countries as aid?

>>131979698
Is there even any food on the shelves that you can buy? How about catching a bus out of there? If some burger bucks would help I can send you some.

>>131979698
Was that person being detained?

>>131979698
So could I go there with a bunch of food and get laid?

>>131979698
>actually mcdonalds stopped works like a month ago in my city, meat was scarce and nobody would affort a burger

sounds like hell

>>131979698
You are being used as an example of what happens when you disarm your population and try socialism.

consider it as an experiment to see what will work and what wont work, so improvements can be made next time.

Don't you guys have a coastline? Go fishing, for fucks sake.

>>131981083
More probably you would get slaughtered and robbed

>>131981003
>why isn't any food getting in from other countries as aid?
It is. And being sold by Venezuela- capitalism at its best.

>>131979698
That's what you get for choosing socialism.

Me? I have so much food I just threw away 600g of chicken and 300g of Salmon because I didn't have time to cook it and it was no longer perfectly fresh. I'd rather buy perfectly fresh food than cook food that doesn't taste perfect.

>>131980925
Not really, the closest political party to the right wing we have is Vente Venezuela, they are libdem. Other groups in facebook as ORDEN, fascist leaned have grew a lot but they are not aiming to be politicians for now

>>131979831
>>131979698
OP you deserve this, all of it.

>>131979698
Just whore your women out. Don't you lot have some prime pussy up for grabs? Sell them to American porn companies, specifically the BLACKED ones. I bet they'll pay prime doallr for the whitest ones you have after all they already enslave and exploit women in the porn industry with threats of blacklisting.

>>131981182
>just go fishing
NP, millions out to sea...oh wait, no boats.>>131981240

>>131981182
They also have the largest oil reserves on the planet, they should just drill oil for fucks sake :^)

>>131981240
>wasted 1kg of meat
On average, per week, I discard 1kg of meat and 5lb of fruit/vegetables.
Sad when a bum can eat better in a capitalist country than a doctor/lawyer can in Venezuela.

>>131980674
For once this doesn't seem like nazi cringebaiting and is a completely appropriate and altruistic course of action.

>>131979698
It must be frustrating that the world feels completely indifferent about this.

>>131980036
>le 'communism has never been done properly' meme

Ah yes, that old chestnut. Those faggots never learn.

>>131979698

>give up gun rights
>government kills you

Hmmm... Really makes you think...

>>131981381
>world is indifferent
We treat Venezuela like we treat niggers- defend ourselves from them, and ignore them.
Good thing Venezuela is far away.

>>131981443
You're a good leaf

>>131981078
Food is available in the black market, the money I have only can afford food for my sisters, my mom and for me for some days

>>131981083
You will get murdered if you dare to come with a buch of food.

>>131981182
3 hours away from the coast, it won't work for me.

>>131981240
Congratulations, I'd do the same if I could afford enough food

>>131979698
Take note, Europe - these are REAL refugees

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LIES

SOCIALISM IS BEAUTIFUL
SOCIALISM IF FAIR
SOCIALISM IS THE BEST SYSTEM

>>131979698
Remember the Balkan wars friend. If you can get a gun and any resources before shot gets worse, I suggest you do it. Also, if you're hungry, join the protests and ask around. Usually someone can point you in the right direction or the mob gets close to a grocery store. Just stay away from the police and make sure they don't see your face. If guns are drawn leave immediately. If there is a chance you can get a gun go for it and talk to /k/ on how to properly use it. If a civil war starts expect blue helmets and American intervention for oil.

>>131981443
Western NGO's are all over Africa though. I don't see many people throwing money at Venezuela.

Venezuela hasn't been on then ews here for months

>>131979698
>no equivalent of 2nd ammendment

Venezuela deserves this

>>131981546
Rare

>>131981443
Euro leftist used to view Chavez as an inspiration. When he died so many leftists were sad.

some years later
>Everyone is starving
>paramilitary random kills people
>their shekels worth nothing

Now eurocucks pretend never liked Venezuela

>>131981381
Venezuela fell for the communism meme, they deserve it mah niger.

>>131979698
be smrt and get outside weapons, countries always love to fund rebels in exchange for oil

>>131981524
Then a random Socialist appears, and says "it wasn't real socialism", then the cycle repeats.

>>131980178
>making him eat toilet paper
topkek that's funny as fuck. I'll send a shit ton of toilet paper and other disgusting shit to them.

>>131979698
What could possibly go wrong in a nation that was setting up a socialist utopia based on the most savagely fought for commodity and it's contract price in the capitalist world?

>>131981513
Timestamp your email and I'll send you some.

>>131981546
>Whites help Africa though!
Only in order to steal your resources.

>>131979698
...and?

>>131979698
>opposition civilians

cia shill detected

>>131979698
I know what everyone is thinking but if you can calm down for a moment you'll realize this wasn't true socialism.

>>131981660
>Now eurocucks pretend never liked Venezuel
I argued with leftists for about 2 years...then about 1 year ago, I realized how big of a waste of time it is- every argument/discussion got hung up the leftists' misunderstanding of the most basic facts...

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>>131981513
You have my sympathy Venezuelan bro. My family in Ecuador stopped visiting the place once they saw how bad things had gotten.

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>>131979698

Tbh every country should try communism just once. This way, it will eventually cease to exist as no country will ever try it a second time.

>>131979698
Look at the bright side:

Somebody will make "This War of Mine 2: Fall of Venezuela" and it'll probably be good.

In the meantime, just beat some people to death with a shovel and steal their ratmeat

>>131979698
Fuck you kike shill. Venezuela is a fine proud nationalistic state. You just want it to fall to globalist capitalist Jews and their burger slaves like Syria or North Korea.

>>131979698

So... why doesn't our (((world police))) do anything?

American here.

How much can I make selling you degenerates toilet paper? Could I get me a QT3.14 Venezuelan chick?

>>131979698
This will be mexico one day

good luck border bros hope Trump gets the wall up in time

>>131979698
I think it's time to resort to cannabalism.

>>131981927
You are vastly overestimating mankind's long term memory.
Just take a look at Germany, it hasn't been even a century and they're already back to an authoritarian state.

>>131981988
OPEC

>>131979698
>how are foreigners so blind about venezuela?
We're not.

>How they could blame anything else but not socialism?
We don't.

>I just want to fucking die every day
Have fun in your promised socialist paradise.

I mean, what's the point in your post?
Do foreigners elected Chavez, then Maduro?
Are you dumb to the point to ignore lessons from the past? Do 1917 or Cambodian Khmer rouge recall something to your people?
Do you still believe a state worker, bus driver, who tells you you'll get easy life and easy money from oil without actually working, to the point to elect him?

It's well known:
- socialism Ideas so good that they have to be mandatory
- the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

>>131981982
>calls other poster a "kike"
>has flag of kike-lover country

>>131981927
>no country would try it again
the dude just said his countrymen and foreigners assumed its capitalism that caused it

>>131979698

Didnt you guys vote for a government that stole a bunch of foreign businesses and assets after inviting them to invest in your country?

>>131981988
>fuck you America

>America pls help

Let the socialists starve. They are a martyr

>>131982047
That's just because Germans are the most autistic people in the world. It's natural for them to be like that. The only way to stop it is to fragment Germany.

You could eat the internet you dumb spic...

>>131979698

I have friends in Venezuela
How can, I as an American, help?

Is there a way to send money or food or supplies?

>>131982068
Chavez bought Soros™ election rigging machines the way Roussef later did

>>131982096
They're still caught up in the middle of it. It's different looking back, a totally new perspective.

>>131981935
>In the meantime, just beat some people to death with a shovel and steal their ratmeat
That sounds like something out of a Fallout game

>>131979698
Sounds like it's time to stop dabbling and go full communism. A glorious utopia awaits.

>>131982153
>socialist country is a martyr
thatd be great if people still talked about it

remember its been like what a year since venezuela got in the public eye or 2 years maybe?

no one fucking talks about it, just like no ones talking about south africa falling to shit after running white people out

>>131982190
I was able to paypal mine money a while back, but I haven't heard from him in a while. I'm not even sure if they have food to buy anymore

>>131982229
>XIX Century

>>131981982
Globalism is socialism. Take a good look at Venezuela this is what globalists wants for us.
>>131982017
Nothing the money is useless. You can get a qt3.14 though

>>131981805
>airhorn.mp4

>>131982153

I am speaking about US militarily involving

>>131981988
You think most of us want to be world police? I would love nothing more than to close our borders and let you all live a happy life, or die, whatever, fuck you.

>>131981381
I don't really care about """"international community"""". I'm clear that venezuelans are the only ones who will be able to provide peace to the country, but yes, it will be great having more supports coming from them than only talks, concerns and worries.

>>131981708
Phone got broken by water 4 months ago, but email is [email protected]

>>131982335

That's too bad and it doesn't matter what you want since your leaders disagree. Instead of stopping real crisis they want to go destroy sandnigger countries with no hope of future and create even a bigger conflict.

Venezuela is not socialist, es una republica bolivariana.

>>131979698
OP wants your bitcoins. He's a lying seditious kike.

>>131982307

I'd say I'd take items in exchange for land, but socialism lol.

Can they even sell businesses and shit? That shithole has to have something good besides some desperate young women.

>inb4 oil - I ain't no motherfucking oil baron and don't have ships for that shit

>>131979698
Good.
Venezuela needs a strong arm government to keep you chimps in line.

"A nation led by followers only goes in circles."

>>131982345
>Phone got broken by water 4 months ago

On the plus side, you still have water!

>>131982136
People voted for free houses, car, and cheap dollar exchange rate, never really cared what socialism was about

>>131982190
You can help your friends better sending them money. People isn't able to get their stuff people send by mail I'm sure it will be a valuable and grateful help for them

>>131981805
Yeah

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>>131981381
The worse it gets in that commie shithole the less likely anyone else will be dumb enough to fall for the communism meme.
Once the cannibalism epidemic takes off we'll have sime great memes to warn actual human being off of degenerate commie ideals.

>>131982602
It was rain during a protest, had to scape and hide in corners full of water, but yes, water comes for three days weekly, but we make it with tanks of water and it is never a poblem.

>>131979698
But Socialism works. You're just doing it wrong.

>>131982693
As long as it all gets caught on video and saved across the world this time.

>>131979698
Fuck socialists you deserve it.
>vote for socialism
>get fucked

>>131982645

What's the best way to send them money?

>>131979698
Not real socialism :^)

>>131979698

NOBODY with the exception of loony commies blame what's happening in venezuela on capitalism

it's 80% chavez' fault for being an evil commie fuck (oil dependency, overexpending, undermining venezuelan democracy) and 20% maduro's fault for being a dumb commie fuck (everything he does only makes matters worse)

you'd have gone the way of syria by now if anyone gave a fuck about you, the fact that your country still stands is a testament to how little of a fuck the U.S. actually gives about your country

>>131982856

don't send them shit. they need to earn it.

I'd at least want some bolivars in return. useless to them but i bet the fucking hipsters up here would buy the hell out of 'em, especially in 10 years when socialism is deader than shit in that country

>>131982801
Tito did it "wrong" but still made it the best system out of all that were executed HUE
Make up your mind.

In 1929 American capitalism broke too.

>>131982497
>OP post a webm
>Muh CIA lies

>>131979698
>Hey Op.
If you have any more footage like this, or any of your friends do, just keep posting it here.
>to others here
Let's just keep spamming the different news outlets with this stuff, until they report on it.

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>>131979698
>How they could blame anything else but not socialism?

What you're referring to should be Marxism. This is where I would insult your country's education system, but it's the same here and everywhere else. People are incapable of separating Marxism and Socialism and the greatest truth of all recent history is forgotten: that it was socialists who fought and died to destroy Marxism.

You ancestors chose this world, either through direct action or impotence. Either way, you have to live with their mistakes.

>>131982994
This desu. A Venezuelan hero right now would be just a guy with a camera.

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Left wingers are retards, this is what happens when they infiltrate the school system for the past several decades and trick everyone into believing that their retarded ideas work.

>>131982497
>OP wants your bitcoins. He's a lying seditious kike.

Famous Russian quote:
During socialism, we had full of money, but stores were empty. Now, we have no money, but the stores are full.

Another one:
An old Russian guy enters a butchery. Asks the butcher:
Do you have tenderloin steaks?
No we have no tenderloin steaks.
Then, do you have sirloin steaks?
No, neither we have.
Ok, then, maybe you have chuck steak instead?
No.
The old guy leaves the butchery.
Then, the butcher: Those old craps, what a memory!

In other words, don't know what he could get from his BCs, as the country is devastated. They even run out of toilet paper.

>>131983000
Fascism =/= socialism

Look at Japan, they were and are fascist and doing at least as well as Germany was

>>131982994
This, i'll try myself to take footages the next week and post them here on /pol

>>131983000
All fucking socialists must fucking hang.
You're the weak, and Hitler was a kike rube who founded Israel.

Literally kill yourself you disgusting communist fag.

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>>131979698

Go to the farmers, ask if you can help out in the fields. Ask for some food for compensation. Check the internet for hunting tips how to hunt for small animals. Learn how to survive and live in the woods.
You lazy bastard, humans didn't survive by bitching on the internet, faggot. Be a man.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA?app=desktop

>>131983200
Yeah, and let's not just send it to the stations themselves. There are a lot of commentators, which would likely use this footage.

What ever happened that unfinished skyscraper that got taken over by homeless people and converted into a capitalist enclave?

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>>131981513
POST YOUR BITCOIN WALLET ANON, YOU ARE ONE OF US.

>>131979831

They elected Chavez in the first place, so yes.

Sad thing is, people do not fucking learn, ever.

Even if Maduro is ousted, you can just BET that a couple years down the line the next socialist messiah will be elected.

Because true socialism/communism works, it just has never been truly tried out.

>>131981689
the toilet paper is to wipe his ass, they don't have toilet paper any more
christ I had some image in mind of a mexican jackass with spics eating toilet paper but then I realized that's hardly of an appropriate level when you have the cartels

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>>131983258

Says the guy actively presenting the flag of the country that ensured half a century of communist tyrrany and death. It is you and your country that is the puppet of the Jews and it is you that should kill yourself you fucking kike asslicker.

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>>131982801
I know! We will try it better next time I implement the necessary changes to make it successful again

>>131982856
Paypal and bitcoin are the easiest, and if they aren't educated about btc and paypal, you can buy bolivares on internet in the black market and ask the seller to transfer the bolivares your friends' national bank account.

>>131981708
I'm extremely and heartily thankful for your gesture, it will really help me to solve the situation in my house for some time

>>131981240
>>131981364
don't waste unspoiled food
also if you're throwing out 5 pounds of fruit and vegetables a week you're an idiot, learn to buy what you can eat

>>131980036
Great tits here

>>131981003
>how come the news aren't talking about this much?

because commies/socialists can't fail again

>>131983377
1AGjqKZJHiirR6KYBRuQ3oFRbasQTVuJvx

Thank you for your kindness guys

>>131983563

If someone gives you btc, can you cash out?

This is why you need guns.

>>131982963
You mean our socialism-light that started in 1913 with the foundation of the Federal Reserve. Yea that broke. Remember when capitalism broke before that? Yea me neither. Probably because capitalism with a government mandated central bank controlling the value of the currency isn't capitalism. It's a form of mixed economy.

Kinda watching this slo-mo SHTF trying to learn from it. Collapse is ongoing sure, and maybe could have been prepped for, but assuming you had stocked up on food
>when would you start digging into your stores? The collapse is taking years
>the govt was raiding food hoarders
>only food hoarders that still have any are black market thugs which ought to be a hint

As for helping OP not sure what/how. I would guess you're saying you need food and while you could have been creative before the starvation is making you less so now. I'd guess wheat flour for bread is impossible or very hard to come by, but if you can get some it's your best bet.

Anon time to stop crying and make weapons organize , steal weapons from the military . Destroy army barracks , destroy their trucks cars , firebomb everything government . Attack socialist cut power lines burn gas stations , time to go full revolution . Get out call to arms , get to media in neighbor countries , American faggots silent on country conditions . American media all faggot communist Jews support socialist faggots . Destroy trains , buss , water , anything fight or die time . Now get to it anon !!

If you need food remember that long pig is always in season.

>>131983771
I know I can sell it in the black market easily, but I have never had btc before, there are plenty of exchanges and tutorials to do so. Btc is becoming more popular in Venezuela since the crisis begun

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>>131979698
May the power of Maduro's moustache bring peace and prosperity to your godforsaken country.

>>131979698
>i have not eat for two days
such willpower

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>>131983563
Np my man, stay safe down there and redpill as many people as you can before it's too late.

>>131983265
easy to starve in the woods desu

Get

>>131981240
>>131981364

You are both fucking disgusting.

Venezuelabro, tienes que irte de tu país fracasado con tu familia. Aun si las cosas se mejoran un poquito a corto plazo- están perdidos allí. Vente a Chile, hay comida acá.

>>131984024
Anon i'm Venezuelan too, you can use uphold or a page i have that dedicates entirely to the exchange of e-money (paypal, and btc for example) to Bolivares, uses thoses

you have my prays anon

>>131983377
>>131981513

Most blatant case of phonefag flaglarp samefagging I've ever seen.

Fuck you. I hope you starve.

>>131984024

Keep us posted. I mine btc and could spare some, you must come back to /pol/ and post news. If you tell us you have found a way to cash out, then I will send you some later, perhaps tomorrow, perhaps this week.

I'd send you a lot more if you posted evidence of joining a guerilla movement and obtaining a firearm. I've always wanted to fund anti-commie action.

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>>131984082
Have a (you)

>>131983265
dont tell those dipshits to hunt

they will decimate any local wildlife like what happened in our depression

>>131984227
I have managed several btc wallets for friends that left the country who were sending money to their family in here, but I have never had bitcoins myself, never had the opportunity to do so

>>131984224
Gracias por todo, tengo familiares en santiago de chile por ahora. Personalmente no tengo pensado emigrar, simplemente no puedo dejar a mi familia aquí sola.

>>131980178
Mayabe air supply drops? What's the AA situation there?

>>131984295
If you guys want to fund an anti commie militia here i know a few guys that would be so delighted after all that they've had to experience (including me :^)

>>131984295
That'd be helpful, and I really appreciate it

>>131981381
my niger

>>131979831

It's a product of their culture, as latin americans they are prone to corruption and socialism, but Venezuela is very rich on resources, power rules, extremes are formed and civil war ensues.

>>131979698
kek there's an abundance of human beings who are going to die anyway. just eat human meat what are you fucking retarded?
elites eat humans as a delicacy. country is starving and you haven't thought fuck it there are billions of humans on this planet.

fuck it and just eat some human. it won't make a difference and you'll survive. humans have eaten humans all throughout history.

just man the fuck up and do what is needed to be done rather than be a starving bitch boy.

>>131979698
And that you fuckers..is communism

>>131984568
>>131984525

Make a venezuala general and keep us posted, I'll be checking for it. Maybe get a btc wallet dedicated for it and give us real proof it's going to venezualans and not bored american teens

I'm off for the night, best of luck

>>131979698
I genuinely hope you come here. We need people like you who can think.
Please survive. Please remember this. Please, don't let it happen again.
not gonna lie, if you make it to the border near california, go to tijuana near the border by san diego, make a post about it, I will get you in, a green card, some pot, and all you can eat buffet. If possible, I'll get you a job, a place to stay, and whatever other help you need.

Make a post, I'll be watching from 7/30 to 9/30. Use this combo so I can identify it with a bot:

#9074508475u7684857fu7

I will get you in legally, and I will make sure you stay at your discretion. Good luck, stay safe.

>>131979698
how's your doggo?

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Alright /pol/

Tell me why Government seizing the means of production is bad

>inb4 hurdur look at venezuela

Venezuela failed because of its rampant production and corruption.

Just please answer my original question

>>131979698
stay strong not-real-communism bro

>>131984671
They'd really being getting into their (not real) Marxist roots that way!
Cannibalism is a staple of Communism, after all.

I wisht here were more news on Venezuela, it looks like it could be great popcorn cinema. Something one can kick back and watch for fun as it unfolds.

>>131984716
Count on that my dude. I'll be posting in the next days, have to get enough info (images and footage as well) before. Have a good rest

>>131984568
Agreed with >>131984716

With a Venezuelan General we can maybe help you and keep track of this. Maybe you'll make a big difference if you actually start an anti-commie group funded by anons like>>131984295

>>131984857
You want an answer that lay in a vacuum. You are therefore cherry picking. I will not give you an argument in a vacuum to apply in real life.

Also hurr durr look at china, nork, and SU. Ask every polish and urkranian, estonian, belarusian, and other poor soul your non-economy failed.

Also freedom > free stuff. I'd rather freely live poor, than be a comfortable slave. I value my individualism, my fucking soul, above your comfort, you lemming.

>>131984857
Capital flight.

>>131984857

Because corruption which always keeps happening, if you can't find ways to safeguard against rampant corruption the ideals behind the ideology is worthless.

>>131979698
Get out of there dude, don't starve to death.

>>131981524
I know you're being ironic, but for the lurkings here, Venezuela is honestly not socialism. They have a McDonalds for fuck sake

>>131984721
This nig is tryin to fuck you in the ass

>>131984295
I've always wanted to fund anti-commie action.
same, I've got $100 to send to any Venezuelan that posts proofs of anti-commie.

>>131985107
nah, actual offer. have fun with jews tho

>>131984857
>Tell me why Government seizing the means of production is bad

You've never worked in civil service. Fact.

>>131984568
any way to prove you're really there and not some dink on a proxy

Watch out a bunch of national socialists will tell you it wasn't real socialism on this board.

>>131983162
OP and his likes have established a black market to undermine the state.

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>>131985013
>>131985045
>>131985196

Still haven't answered the question. Why is government seizing the means of production bad whereas private ownership of production good?

I'm giving you a chance to convert me

>>131985020

>capital flight

OK this is good. Care to elaborate?

>>131985232
This
There is a faggot around here who keeps changing to rare flags so other anons can save it

Guys you realize you're fixing a socialist crisis by giving the guy gibs right? This isn't going to help, he needs to get out of there or overthrow the government.

>>131981546
Lol, Niger.

>>131984857
>Tell me why Government seizing the means of production is bad
You answered your own question....
>corruption

Why don't you make a patreon?

>>131982991
A webm showing a violent protester being arrested by the police.

Which happens everywhere else in the world by the way, only niggers get upset when one of their likes gets btfo after committing crimes.

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HERE'S AN IDEA - someone should set up a gofundme or kickstarter and hire a private military to help the opposition
HERE'S AN IDEA - someone should set up a gofundme or kickstarter and hire a private military to help the opposition
HERE'S AN IDEA - someone should set up a gofundme or kickstarter and hire a private military to help the opposition

it sickens me that the media is so silent about this?

>>131985486
There is literally no reason Colombian rebels shouldn't get involved

>>131979831
Sure. They elected Chavez. Brazilians (I'm BR) will deserve the same if they (should I say we?) elect Lula yet again, which is one of the reasons why I want my Italian citizenship so much.

>>131985486
The CIA is getting really creative I see... lack of funding ?

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>>131981513
are your sister cute? I can give them asylum

>>131985479
Yeah mate, now go back to the jungle you came from

>>131985384
>Care to elaborate?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_flight

Basically the wealthy people that fucking built those means of production are gonna take their shit and fuck off. In America, the richest 1 percent own more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. That's America. Imagine in Venezuela, where it's probably closer to them owning more than 99% of the rest of their county. Now imagine you start taking their shit by force, and they up and leave your country with that 99%. You're fucked.

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>>131979698
Pick USA approved dictator
>many money
>so rich
>capitalism works
>bus comes on time

Pick USA opposed dictator
>fuck socialism
>no food no toilet paper
>people dying on street
>this is what commies get

Don't worry after civil war you'll become capitalist again... but not swiss or germoney capitalism; more like brazilian or mexican capitalism.

>>131979698
Good luck anon, hope you make it through.

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>>131984935

Last week was fucking hell in Venezuela, the most bloody since in decades. Not many people was covering Venezuela on /pol/ during that time and I was able to visit here. Most of the time I'm out doing jobs to make it to buy some food, but I will surely make a Venezuela General whenever it is needed.

Anti communist militias will surely improve situation in my hometown. Yesterday only 50 poorly armed paramilaries achieved to siege the entire city of Barquisimeto (two million people). It is kinda strange dissident police forces haven't done anything like that, as Oscar tried to do, and it is scary how paramilitary colectivos seems to have such influence in the population

>>131980270
>Communism cannot start when a people are already poor

Implying Russians were rolling in money when october revolution started.

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mark my words.

>civil war starts in Venezuela
>MSM start to push the "THIS side is killing civilians omg, they the bad guys" for a week
>week later the goverment decides to proxy help the oposition of the so called "bad guys"
>us military lands, and helps the "god guys", they create a primeter, they got supply lines, and they can feed/gear up the venezuelan soldiers
>solowly people are going to move to the murican supported part because they got food/they dont execute you for having some cookies hidden under the bed
>the "bad guys" are bieng helped by some other country. Prob russia, or china.
>conflict start to string along, it takes years if not decades to finish the civil war for venezuela, by the time that happens the population is so worn off they just dont give a fuck any more
>new government is put in place
>"we going to change the systen, we gonna help the people"
>but its all the same thing all over again
>people still vote for retards
>people are retarded as always.

and you know its going to happen,

>>131979831
They'll continue to deserve it if they continue to blame capitalism and not socialism.

>>131985806
Implying you can even scratch the corporate market with your shovel ready communism.

>>131980177
Kek

>>131979698
There's always soccer.

>>131984451
inb4 crashing into maduros hideout with no survivors

>>131979698
1. Knife
2. pistol
3. second pistol for a friend
4. Revolution

>>131985276

What Venezuela tried was Marxism.

National Socialism wouldn't work in any corrupt shithole full of spics. They tried a kind of National Socialism in Peron's Argentina and they fucked that up good.

>>131980162
Clu go 2 bed

>>131979698
Would they do anything for a slice of bread?

>>131980661
Why haven't you taken your family and fled into the islands like so many of your countrymen? Is it too risky with all those girls to take along? Or are you trying to stand your ground and not lose your stuff?

>>131981284
Their women are currently all over the Caribbean selling themselves for cheap, sometimes just for food, because the market is saturated with them now. Prior to the crisis Venezuelans were more expensive than the local girls. Pretty sad how desperate things are now.

I actually sent this to Alex Jones. The guy's nutty, and there's no assurance he'll run with it, but he hates socialism, so it might work.

>Its a thinly veiled white people should help us more thread

>>131985384
>Still haven't answered the question.
Told you why I didn't. Your premise offends me.
>I'm giving you a chance to convert me
You know what? I'm kind of upset over OP's situation, so sure, I'll give you some guaranteed replies.
>Why is government seizing the means of production bad whereas private ownership of production good?

As I said before, you've given no context; this is a vacuum. It's moot to argue, so I'll pretend you're trying to use a real world applications, I'll assume the following:
>this is in the real world, in real time.
>this deals with fiat currency, central banks, and debt-bonds
>We're talking about the U.S., to keep it simple

Human nature is in and of itself, greedy. People don't understand the definition of greed. It is to persist, then improve. It is the undercurrent of ambition, a stepping stone. The public may own property, by whatever method (creation, seizure, etc.); all forms are bad: While the public may own property, liquidity, etc., it is privately managed all the same, be it through bureaucrats or fully direct democracy. Everyone has a conflict of interest, and no amount of post conventional thought removes human greed.

Private Ownership however, utilizes greed for the most post-conventional good. See, it is better to enable producers, and incentivise production, because then you have competition, which leads to competitive differentiation. The public then rewards the strong, who are leeched upon to service the weak. I don't like that, but it's the best we've got. Communism's fundamental premise relies on human greed being a non-factor. property, production, determination, all of these are made for individuals, therefore individuals understand them best, and when incentivized will naturally use them best. Profit rewards winners, loss punishes losers, and the world goes through genuine economic progress. You may notice a direct corollary between peace and a lack of welfare/state ownership. There's a cause in there.

>>131983337
that sounds pretty cool.

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>>131985232
Sorry for blurry image, but that is the best I can do with my shitty webcam

>>131983377
>>131983763
This is just ridiculous

>>131980234
Educate me, aren't europeen countries like your's socialist too? If I'm not wrong, your country will suffer the same fate in the long run, if it doesn't get support from the likes of USA

>>131979831
And nothing of value was lost

>>131985486
>lets save shitskins
no

>>131979698
Stay strong brother. My mother's family is from Venezuela, but all of them have emigrated elsewhere during the Chavez days.

It pains me to see such a beautiful country suffer so much. Eventually the people will reclaim the government.

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>>131985653
Yes Venezualian girs are very pretty.
Here one of the prettier

>>131979895
Its a dictatorship socialism, democratic socialism wouldve been better.

>>131979698
Can't you just go and find food in the jungle?

Propaganda and lies these are just greedy capitalists that believe more than 1 handful of rice is necessary to survive for a week. Utopia doesn't need ignorant rednecks.

>>131986255

It's a social market economy, capitalism combined with a welfare state and regulation to reign in the excesses of turbo-capitalism. Of course, it's been hijacked by decades of neoliberal indoctrination too.

>>131979831
The sad reality is Chavez died before the state collapsed.

He literally weaselled his way out before getting lynched by his own people. Commies ALWAYS fucking do this.

>>131985666
Not true, the 1% own 40%

>>131979698
Socialism is not the reason. You was betrayed by you own army. This dictatorship is not socialist. It's state capitalism.

Do people have jobs that pay them in that country ?

>>131986205

Stay safe and godspeed, based Venezuelan dude.

>>131986312
Thank you

>>131986138
I don't care about my stuff as long as my family is ok. I have not too much to lose, almost everything was taken way by the government. I don't left because money I have isn't enought for passages for all of us.

>>131979698
i feel for you. but the truth is that commies started cancering off since the seventies.

>>131986205
Stay safe dude. Wish you weren't going through this.

>>131986483
The point still stands, I think.
A significant portion of the taxable money is now gone, and there's no guarantee that the state can run these means of production at the same efficiency (which they usually can't).

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>>131985777
I can't help but wonder what would happen if you gathered 10,000 people on the edge of losing it all and confronted them, even with nothing but fists.

If it was only 50 men, and you could box them in, they would surrender or be brutally mobbed to death.

Yes I know, armchair strategist American post, but the point is, you guys really are on the edge of that scenario. You will soon face the reality of death, slavery beyond the financial buttfuckery you all experience right now, or the start of the end, a civil war.

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>>131985816
ohhh shit forgot

>the moment usa starts helping and arming the oposition all military related bussness stock market grows couple of points steadily
>the OilJew raises the price of gas irrationaly even though venezuela only provides 3% of all the oil usa uses

>>131986498
It's socialism
The same shit that happens everytime these commy / socialists are allowed in office

Death poverty and war

Don't try and dress it up with your pseudo intellectual name tags, you sound like an edgy teen

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>>131985486
I'm in for the /pol funded anti-commie militia thing

>>131986498
you are fundamentally what is wrong with culture. You are a lemming.

>>131980524
>CIA fucks your country once in the 70's
>becomes convenient excuse forever more

thanks Obama

>>131986594
Not many, and the ones that are hiring offers to pay minimum wage, 25-30 dollars monthly, which is not enough for even a week for a family of four

>>131986854
They disarmed themselves, they deserve it and they won't get any help when the government rolls out left wing death squads.

>>131986896
well, then all four of you should be working, or someone should have thought to get a better job above minimum wage before starting a family

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My fellow /pol/locks, I strongly urge the idea proposed above of a /VenGen/, this needs the same treatment as any other high level crisis.

Why? Anons consider that we're past the point of just memeing about commies and their continuous fails, and now are standing at the point in time that we can push the Right Shift into 5th gear in USA and abroad.

Give Venezuela the Syria treatment, where /pol/ helped keep Assad from getting iced and the state from crumbling.

Use it as the real-world flesh-and-blood example to shove into the faces of liberals and smash the bullshit once and for all.

>>131986947
>Implying they aren't doing it already

>>131979698
no one cares about your shithole
come back when you learn how to greentext

sorry to hear that

we were close to be totally fucked

hope your history is different anon

i wish good luck

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YES, REMOVE COMMIES

>>131986597
>>131986687
Thank you

>>131986871
CIA never tried anything in the 70's in Venezuela. But the dictatorship is the one using the """2002 coup""""" as a scapegoat, using that as a "proof" that CIA interferes in Venezuela

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>>131986854
Agreed.

>>131986947
With funds and organization comes the ability to create crude but effective arms.

>>131986721
Those were paramilitaries, believe me one thing: They're far worse than hutus. I belong to a political party and have been beaten up and all of the shit you can imagine i've been passed through.

I'm thinking on going to U.S to claim Asylum, I have tourist visa, don't know what to do, don't even know if the congress will enact a bill to alleviate those venezuelans in U.S, because I don't want to get fucking deported there and don't want to break any fucking rule either

>>131979698
I think south america might be the first area to see open corporate governance. shit like this makes me wonder if it isn't ripe for something like an oil conglomerate to move in and make some shit happen.

>>131986498
Characteristics of socialistic regimes
>big and intrusive government
>heavy regulations on everything(from trade to hobbies)
>little freedom for people due to above points
>redistribution of wealth throughout the population uniformly
>people expected to be of the same economic as well as social status, irrespective of their deeds
>has never worked out properly and collapsed numerous times.
>free market doesn't exist. State controls the market
Read the last point very carefully. That is not what I would call "state capitalism". Capitalism is too pure a word for a socialist.

If I were there I would just leave... I mean shit. Why even bother? I'd learn to make mtself useful then go

>>131985083
"free toilet paper" just leave it here..

>>131987108
you'd be better off claiming asylum in Canada the FARC wanted my friends dad dead and they got asylum in Canada easy peasy

>>131986205
grungy as fuck. Can't you guys afford water to clean yourselves either?

>>131987296
Don't have Canadian visa buddy, so it will make difficult my journey there.

>>131979831
Yes, they elected Chavez

>>131987046
no, but we did almost very island north of you and most of the countries that border you. same shit.

>>131987343
have you not heard of all the nigs and dunecoons just crossing the boarder into canada with open arms on our side?

>>131987201
I'm my case i stay here (because i could've go to europe because of family blood ties) because i feel the urge to protect my family, the one that's here with me, who since the beginning were against the socialist bs. I would not forgive myself if someone that i could've stopped happens to them

This is purely an internal Venezuela matter. Does not involve the world. I see nothing the US or any country can do to make it better. Civil War followed by a free market is the only thing that will work.

>>131985908
Implying I'd want to when only way to compete is to kick your industry into overproduction turning everyone able (ready) to work into poor slaves.

>>131987427
I would do it as last option, don't like to break the law lad

>>131984716
Second this idea, I'd support too

>>131986114
The things their women did to me for a klondike bar was incredible.

>>131979698
>The last 3 days people have been looting for food and i have not eat for two days
Time to learn how to live hunter/gatherer style and disappear innawoods. I'm sorry that Socialists/Communists destroyed your civilization.

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>>131987553
Agree, but what will happen when Cuba try another military invasion here?

This dictatorship isn't because a internal issue. It has foreign supporters.

>>131980078
Tru dat

>>131979698
go fish

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>>131979698
Get out of the streets and into the garden.

>>131987371

Not only did they elect Chavez lots of them still love him. They blame Maduro for screwing up all the great work Chavez did. If they topple Maduro they'll probably just put another far Left Bernie type in power and keep on starving.

I feel really bad for Venezuela. I lived there for 3 years, my Dad work in the petroleum industry there. We fled after Chavez got elected in 99. We got out when all the companies started getting nationalized and the government started pushing an anti-America sentiment.

Most of the wealth that could flee left years ago. Now it's just the former middle class and the poor that are suffering. Good luck Vene-bro.

>>131986205
Holy shit it's real! My feelings are sad now

Do you work as a painter? Looks like white paint on your hands.


Why is your tshirt so dirty? What's the green spots.

Hang in there!

>>131979698
your starvation isnt sexy OP. its not a story any one wants to run because the obvious is that they would expect people to give you money but the global economy has shrunk so there is little to give you even if people wanted to

also there is a general attempt to quell any support for civil wars / coups globally recently and in that its easier for the rest of the world not to talk about your nation. this is in part due to political beliefs not being uniform and somebody would tell you to fight and want the same in their nation

>>131986205
really breaks me that people have to go through shit like this. wish you the best, i saw some anons earlier in the thread sent you stuff. stay safe

>>131979698
>actually mcdonalds stopped works like a month ago in my city, meat was scarce and nobody would affort a burger

When will this meme end? A venezuelan vlogger girl was recorded eating at a McDonald's and everything looked too normal compared to what the press says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y8Pbbx8n-o

>>131986354
It was Democratic before they ran out of other people's money to confiscate. That's the point at which the government necessarily transitioned to dictatorship to maintain power.

>>131987690
Every war has foreign supporters. Reality is the violence is contained in your country. Not the same as say ISIS in Syria.

Expats are fags.

I live in Worst Korea and it's the same shit here in terms of foreigners being assholes and reflexively being anti-American and pro- the local leftist president. They think it makes them seem worldly and cool or something but actually Koreans just think they're cucks and retarded

>Bluepilled is thinking socialism caused this
>Redpilled is knowing that while socialist Venezuela was fine until the Jews in America wanted that oil and decided to de-legitimize the Government and turn the country into anarchy.

>>131986079
>They tried a kind of National Socialism in Peron's Argentina and they fucked that up good.

National Socialism only works for white people.

fuck this is sad

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>>131982884
>it's 80% chavez' fault for being an evil commie fuck and 20% maduro's fault for being a dumb commie fuck

stealing this.

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>>131986205
Dad used to go to Venezuela a lot when I was younger. I went with him many times, it used to be my favourite place to visit. You had a beautiful country rich in resources and you fucked it up. I have absolutely no sympathy left for Venezuelans.

>>131982017
you can buy the pie with the paper I guess

>>131981988
The big guys for you are already there and have been for some time now.

>>131987824
That's a Mcdonald in Altamira. The neighborhood with the highest income per capita in Venezuela (And where rich Chavistas live, and this girl looks a lot like one)

In Damasco there are nightclubs open every night, so, do the math

>>131987756
Yes, I do handcraft and work with paint.
tshirt is for work
Green spot is color pálido as we say in the workshop, it is really called green apple ("verde manzana")

>>131987807
Thank you, ameribro

>>131987837
You suggest a proxy war then?

>>131986498
Why does 'state capitalism' always result from socialism?

>>131985384
>I'm giving you a chance to convert me
Gas yourself

>>131988111
>trips, and a good point

>>131981240
And that's why your country is gonna get fucked. People only think about themselves

>>131984857
It fucking breeds rampant corruption and lazy people.

>>131986635
Not even to get to the coast? Or into Guyana or something?

>>131987343
>>131987568
>Get a flight to border state in the U.S.
>Take bus across border to Canada
>Free asylum you can legally apply for at the border

>>131987455
You better not die. This is some noble stuff right here.

>>131988111
Because socialism is shit in the very first place and would only work if humans were perfect senpai, that's why

>>131988107
US civil war had one side supported the French and the other the British. Not a proxy war because they didn't start the conflict. They just wanted to see their side be the winner. In any case such support was small. Not the same as say a Vietnam or Afghanistan.

>>131985384
Faggot

>>131979698

Take a good look at Venezuela /pol/. This is why you should all have a minimum 1 year supply of food on hand in your home. Get some kind of ration type food that can last for at least a year. A year's supply of water as well. It doesn't even take up that much room. You might think your nation will never be a socialist hellhole, but even a natural disaster could cause problems like this. Look at Hurricane Katrina in the USA.

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Nipple picture

Go learn how to hunt or have your sisters do a bangbang on chaturbate?

>>131988073


McDonald's was out of reach for the average poor, not destitute, Venezuelan back before everything went to shit. Back around 1999, when Chavez was elected, it cost something like 1 weeks salary to buy lunch. When you walked in an attendant opened the door and it was like a fancy restaurant or something. It was a bit surreal.

Nobody but the rich can afford that now.

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>>131988111
Japan again fucking right

>>131988214
I could sell the house and move to Guyana or Colombia to start living in the streets with them. For now it is more safer in here for them.

>>131988234
Cuba want to start the civil war in Venezuela, it will definitely benefitial for the government. The CIA has suggested that a civil war is possible once the army forces get divided, which only can occur with military intervention coming from Cuba

>Also
Thank you for the help, anon, whoever you are best whishes for you.

>>131981513
Show me your bitcoin wallet public address and I'll give you coin.

>Rich Australia
>willing to help