"Cultural Marxism" is a myth

>>131958540
As usual, no one responds.

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bump

No one is responding because commies have no place here, fuck off and KYS

>>131960830
Thank you.

>>131961821
/pol/'s rhetoric makes these threads necessary.

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Reminder that this is the guy shilling commie threads and denying Jewish cultural marxism

https://twitter.com/xexizy11

You're worshipping a jewish made system that failed.
Stop trying, Xexizy.

>>131962889
I'm not muke! And muke is Greek, not Jewish.

>>131958540
>custom flag
not worth it. enjoy the you though, fat nigger

>>131958540
Have you studied Freire or Fanon? The cultural marxist I butt heads with the most seems to be obsessed with them.

Alinsky may also be worth looking into since he's apparently the godfather of the tactics used by modern SJWs and Leftists in general.

>>131963371
What makes you think I'm fat?

>>131963448
Yes and yes, Fanon much more. Neither of them promoted language policing or anything close to tumblr idpol.

Okay /pol/, convince me, a full-blown anti-colorist, that "color" is a real thing, and that the Frankfurt School was behind it. I have studied the works of Adorno, Marcuse, Benjamin, and other intellectuals affiliated with the institute and have found very little of theirs which comes close to promoting the idea of color today. So please, convince me, and do so in a more elaborate way than merely pointing to the " "Euclidean distance" element. For instance, if you believe elementary education promotes the alleged "colors are real agenda", cite the relevant passages in order to make your case.

>>131963742
Nice strawman.

The burden needs to be put on /pol/ to show how "cultural Marxism" is a real phenomenon, and that the Franks were the ones behind it.

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>>131963900
Okay /pol/, convince me, a full-blown anti-airist, that "oxygen" is a real thing, and that the Frankfurt School was behind it. I have studied the works of Adorno, Marcuse, Benjamin, and other intellectuals affiliated with the institute and have found very little of theirs which comes close to promoting the idea of oxygen today. So please, convince me, and do so in a more elaborate way than merely pointing to the ""Periodic Table" element.

For instance, if you believe elementary education promotes the alleged "oxygen is real agenda", cite the relevant passages in order to make your case.

>>131962033
ugh you commies always copy paste the same bullshit. you realize dialectic just makes you sound like naive squares that bought into a pyramid scheme right?

you call something a dialectic and it doesn't magically make it credible

>>131964041
These things are hypnotically cruel.

>>131964041
>posting fluffy

Never change, /pol/.

.......rrrrraaaaAAAAWAAaaBAGGOOJJLES *zoink* I HATE NAZIS NOW

If you're a Marxist, you already fell for the cultural Marxist propaganda.

QED

>>131964246
I read Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, and Lukacs long before I read Adorno.

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still at it?

if we just call it critical theory, do you deny it exists? it means the same thing. or do you deny critical theory's relation to Marxism?

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>>131958540
Why would someone waste more than a few sentences on trying to explain something to a filthy roach like you?
You don't care about someone else's thoughts, you just care about your putrid ideology being taking forward no matter the consequences.
That if you really are a communist.

Go die.

>>131964578
Critical Theory is definitely a read school of thought in academia, but it has little to no relation to anything /pol/ would call "cultural Marxism". Even the Franks weren't exactly good Marxists either, with the most radical Marxist of them all being Benjamin, who was closer to a Jewish theologian at best.

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>>131964345
>Lenin
>Trotsky
>Jewish terrorists that murdered the Tsar, his family and any russian that opposed their red terror campaign/communism ideas
Here's your fate, pic related.

>>131958540
what makes you like and agree with marxism?

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>>131958540

I know what you will never know until it is far too late. I know who you are slave to, who calls the shots, who lobotomized you, who controls your every thought and action/inaction. you are going down. you will burn, die, die again, and burn eternally.

i will spit on your grave.

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>>131958540
isnt this what you redditors call reposting and isnt this a bad thing?

If you are going to copy a thread thats already been "posted" at least change something in the op

>>131964761
They weren't any more "terrorists" than Reagan was.

>>131964818
The Marxist understanding of economics as well as Historical Materialism are the only things I've found which can adequately describe the world we're living in.

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>>131965047
>the marxist understanding of economics

>>131964944
I don't support Sanders. He's a known apologist for American imperialism and also scapegoats immigrants for low wages.

It's refered to more euphemistically as "critical theory".

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM

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>>131965047
>muh Reagen
I ain't American. Also, not an argument. At least Hitler got elected democratically. Lenin was a bitch that couldn't play by the rules.

>>131965047
seriously now. You do believe that all people are equal and therefore should receive the same rewards for different work?

>>131965351
Yes, I've seen that video, and it's terrible. He barely talks about the bulk of Adorno and Marcuse's theories yet, like all critics of the Franks, is hellbent on blaming them for every negative aspect of the contemporary left.

>>131965460
That's not what Marxism is about at all.

Erich Ludendorff the German general during WW1 provided Lenin with safe passage to Russia knowing that he would take advantage of the politically chaotic times and destroy Russia by spreading communism.

What do you kids think about your ideals being seen as a mental infection?

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/14608/did-the-germans-purposefully-arrange-to-send-lenin-to-russia-to-start-a-revoluti

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>>131965714
what it is then. enlighten me

>>131965766
What does this have to do with the Frankfurt School?

>>131965853
Marxism is a very complex science, but basically it can be understood as examining economic contradictions inherent to capitalism, and understanding society's historical progression from the point of view of its political economy's contradictions. We say that the proletariat has the ability to negate class antagonisms by seizing control of the means of production and the state apparatus.

>>131963583
The language police are but one facet of Cultural Marxism.

The best way to think of it is a dichotomy that replaces the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie with the Privileged and Oppressed - Male and Female, White and Black, Cis and Trans, Able and Disabled, etc.

Like the case can be made by Militant Marxist(-Leninists) that violent/coercive acts towards the Bourgeoisie in the name of revolution are permissible, similar acts are permissible within a Cultural Marxist paradigm against perceived oppressors.

Any actions or words - even polite disagreements or questioning - a Cultural Marxist of a "oppressed" class disapproves of by a perceived "oppressor" class is said to come from "a place of privilege" and thus has some ulterior "oppressive" or "supremacy" motivation. It's also argued, for lack of better words, it harms the psyche of the "oppressed" individual by undermining their experiences, and is thus an act of aggression that warrants some form of reciprocal hostility, violence, or coercion.

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>>131958540
>>131958540
Oh look, it's this faggot again

archive.is/YzkIS


He's made this thread a dozen times already and gets blown out every single time.

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131588851/#131588851
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131128069/#131128069
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129285451/#129285451
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129064891/#129064891
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/128793312/#128793312

Here is is: archive.is/YzkIS

>>131964724
Yeah it does, critical theory is the basis for all the ugly modern art and gender stuff, and its goals of total liberation, criticism of traditional moral systems, and pure atheistic materialism descend from Marxism. It's not liberalism, or at least insofar as I consider liberalism idealistic while Marxism and post-Marxisms are materialist. But it gets muddy in that sense, as the proles do understand it in an idealistic way. Also because these tendencies use language as a field of struggle, they'll actively resist being defined by someone who opposes them. But I think cultural Marxism is mostly accurate in its use.

>>131965858
I thought it was a neat little fact and I'm curious about what a genuine marxist thinks of it.

Cultural marxism is just a political buzzword like the patriarchy, rape culture and trickle down economics.

how do we get the goyim to work for free

>>131965533
Ok well you may be more familiar about the finer points but it's still basically about turning things in their head and thus doesn't work. Or alternatively it does work, depending on your desired outcome.

>>131966022
>The best way to think of it is a dichotomy that replaces the Proletariat and Bourgeoisie with the Privileged and Oppressed - Male and Female, White and Black, Cis and Trans, Able and Disabled, etc.
How is this understanding unique to Marxism? By your logic, Hegel himself was a Marxist 50 years before Marx wrote anything.

>>131963900

The Frankfurt school influenced the New Left, which of course came to include civil rights, gay rights, ethnic liberation, female liberation, etc., and all the chaos that came with the umbrella in the late 60s and early 70s.

Their more militant lot were stamped out by a conservative / deep state backlash and they never garnered much political power in the next several decades, but many infiltrated academia and entertainment and effectively rewrote the narrative and brought up the subsequent generations accordingly, particularly in urban areas.

My hypothesis was that the election of Obama, and his subsequent pandering to the lot (especially starting around 2012) somehow validated that narrative to more liberal, green, and socdem types, who became convinced after a couple election cycles that progressivism and social justice was destiny.

Combine that and (>>131966022) with a generation that had a sheltered and highly-wired upbringing, meaning they have powerful confirmation biases and don't take well to conflict or disagreement. They're especially self-centered from coming of age in the social media era.

You have the perfect storm.

>>131966061
It warms my heart knowing suicide is almost a guaranteed life path OP is going to take.

>>131965998
wouldn't the society get hedonistic and ultra-materialistc then? if they reject what the traditional institutions offer, what would they have left beyond making making things and having them?

>>131966108
>Cultural marxism is just a political buzzword like the patriarchy, rape culture and trickle down economics.
>trickle down econ
Wut?

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>>131965998
>>131966247
>>131966306
I think it.s a jewess. She'll probably suck a million dollars out of welfare checks before the vampire dies

>>131966294
>The Frankfurt school influenced the New Left,
Not necessarily. Marcuse had some influence, but he later denounced the hippies as consumerist. Adorno hated the New Left and Benjamin had been dead for 25 years before the New Left was a thing (granted, Benjamin's works were translated and published in English by 1968).

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>>131958540
>"Cultural Marxism" is a myth
This thread is a myth
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>>131966479
I'm not Jewish (if I was, why would I be shitposting on the sabbath?) and I'm not a woman.

>>131966247
Difference is Hegel wasn't an atheist materialist. That's why Marxists are left Hegelians.

Who wants to study the finer points of a failed ideology. I could study satanism too, but am I really interested in summoning the devil? Or perhaps it would let me win an argument with a lesser informed satanist. If there's one thing liberals know it's how to waste time and energy on massive scales.

>>131966646
Jewess confirmed. Kill yourself soon, you lazy failure.

>>131966718
There is a lot of discussion among Marxists as to what extent Marx's dialectics are simply a "materialist inversion" of Hegel's.

>>131966756
What do I need to do to prove I'm not a Jew?

>>131966733
This. OP spends their days shilling an ideology on 4chan, a site so engrossed with normies it almost makes the competition look tame.

If this guy wasn't a weak leftist at heart, he'd take actual steps to spread his agenda. Not sit on his ass and eat cheetos in front of his PC all day/night.

>>131958540
Humans thrive when they are challenged. When they are given everything such as necessities they stop thriving.

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>>131966646
>lies uncontrollably
Did you not get enough shit kicking last night?
I guess it would make ME feel better if I got eternally btfo, and my only resolution were to find some other weaker-minded individuals to try to jew.

archive.is/YzkIS

>What do I need to do to prove I'm not a Jew?
You could kill yourself

>last asswhoopin
archive.is/YzkIS

>>131967379
Find me pieces of the Frankfurt School's works which show an intent to infiltrate western culture.

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>>131958540

>>131966866
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YS9SasMDMMI
This is a entry level video for the skeptical, such as yourself

Or what, motherfucker? What happens if i don't engage with your little tantrum here? What possible consequence is your miserable little excuse for a pedantic inbred was going to do if I don't swing you to the other side of this particular ideological battle? What the fuck does anybody in the world owe to you when you walk up acting like your shit smells like licorice and think it's the job of somebody else to end an argument you start?
Go the the fuck to hell and take your sycophantic, sniveling attempt to force the burden of proof on others in an attempt to sidestep your inability to do research and form your own opinion somewhere the fuck else, bitch.
I'll ask you one more time: or fucking what?

>>131967699
"Cultural Marxism" is fake. The Franks had nothing to do with feminism or post-1960s anti-racism, nor did they "invent" political correctness.

Your ideology is objectively evil and criminal. This is why you are defeated every single time you attempt to make a country.

Every Good Little Leftist who dies screaming and screaming for his mommy beneath a Capitalist knife is a sacrament to God.

>>131967853
The Marxists did. Betty Frieden hung out with them.

Your ideology is evil. You create nothing beautiful and destroy, uniformly and without exception.

>>131967532
Finding intent isn't necessary as we don't plan to prosecute them. The ideology is on the chopping black however because it's poison. If the name "Cultral Marxism" happens to be misleading in some way, sue us.

>>131967995
Friedan had nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.

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>>131967532
re-read this.

The whole point of Marxism was to undermine and overthrow great capitalism. And the teachings the Frankfurt school gave to its students were the seeds of what faggotry you see today.

Go read the Torah, faggot

>>131968131
Irrelevant. All Marxists are thieves, and denying that one flavor of your criminal ideology was involved is immaterial to me.

It was the Marxists subverting the culture. It was cultural marxism. I don't care if your gay thief acadamy was involved or not.

>>131968195
So let me ask you this: what elements of Judaism inspired the Frankfurt School?

>>131967853
You already stated to blame post-structuralists, and every post-structuralist was a Marxist or a Jew, or a gay. Go fuck yourself

Go re-read your last thread
archive.is/YzkIS

>>131968283
Irrelevant. It was a bunch of Jews acting like Jews. You are arguing over semantics when the guilt of your criminal organization has long since been proven beyond doubt.

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communists dindu nufffeeeen

>>131968326
They still had nothing to do with the Frankfurt School. My point still stands.

>>131959226
Hahahahahahahahah

FYI for anyone new to the thread, this kike posts this same topic at least once a week every week for the past year

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>>131968283
>diversion
Seriously asking the same questions again?
> archive.is/YzkIS
You don't even know the Torah.
Even if you were given a legitimate answer, you wouldn't know it if it fucked your mother in front of you

>>131968386
>It was a bunch of Jews acting like Jews.
1. What do you mean by "acting like Jews" in this context?

2. What about Judaism or Jewishness made the Franks "act like Jews", according to you?

>>131967853
You're asking us to prove a narrow conspiracy theory most of us wouldn't claim to begin with. For a start, most of us know they political theory doesn't develop by means of conspiracies, but these thinkers were influential in the development of ideas we now call cultural Marxism. You wouldn't say that Jesus is irrelevant to the ideas of Christianity because he didn't intend to create the Catholic church., or even because he may not have existed at all.

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>>131959226
it is the jew that responds when he posts at you.

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>>131968420
>B-but that's not a real Frankfurt School ideology

Sure, goy

>>131958540

Look up Horkheimer and Critical Theory. His Critical Theory underpins a huge amount of what is currently taught in the social sciences, which is where today's identity politics comes from. Everything is done from a Critical Theory perspective.

>>131968962
>b-but critical theory isn't Frankfurt school, goy

>>131968489
Which is why he gets no replies

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>>131958540

>>131968776
>these thinkers were influential in the development of ideas we now call cultural Marxism.
1. Which thinkers exactly?

2. Explain which ideas from the Franks lead to what /pol/ calls "cultural Marxism".

>>131958540
We're on to your lies and can never be deceived again

>>131958540
>>131967943
>>131967995
Don't talk to the commies. All they do is make denials then run away >>131967853 .

>>131967844
Can you see how they are trying to drag the debate around the issue into "conspiracy theory" territory?
> So please, convince me, and do so in a more elaborate way than merely pointing to the "Jewish" element. For instance, if you believe the Talmud promotes the alleged "Frankfurt School agenda", cite the relevant passages in order to make your case.
Why would you discuss that?
Don't let them drag people like that. Point it out.
Commies are slimey, manipulative sacks of shit.

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>>131958540
Franz Boas is the Marxist Jew who invented Cultural Relativism. He literally believed Race doesn't exist, and all cultures are equal. By his logic, ironically, we need neither racial diversity nor cultural diversity. Communism BTFO.

>>131964761
absolutely fuckin' savage.
and basically the America of Harold Covington's novels.

>>131969226
So what does Boas have to do with Critical Theory?

truuu

>>131969133
>2. Explain which ideas from the Franks lead to what /pol/ calls "cultural Marxism".

Critical Theory has been adapted into Gender Studies as feminist approaches to social science. It's been adapted into Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory.

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>>131969336
He was critical of race and culture. Particularly white race and culture. He laughed all the way to the bank, and died in Israel right next to a Palestinian child brothel.

>>131958540
>Okay /pol/, convince me, a full-blown Marxist that...
ITT: Roughly 38 posters have wasted two hours of their lives arguing with a red brick wall.

>>131969367
Queer Theory and Critical Race Theory rely on a methodology more similar to Heidegger than the Franks. The only reason why you're not blaming H for SJWs is because H was a Nazi like 95% of /pol/.

>>131965047
>implying we like Ronald "Let every spic in" Reagan.

>>131958540
Do you imagine by studying the intricacies of Marx and other far left "thinkers" you will stumble upon some great truths that no one else has found it been able to interpret, or just perhaps hasn't yet been loosed on the world properly? and if so, how close to a religion would you categorise this level of faith?

>>131958540
Marxbot2000 will answer all of your communist needs.

>>131969669
It=or*

>>131969669
Perhaps. I do believe /pol/ is incapable of comprehending the Franks.

>>131958540
https://youtu.be/rSzpc2vh8Ow

>>131971109
Peterson is a fucking hack.

>>131970181
Franks is the term for a dark age tribe. Frankfurters is the term you should use

>>131969512
Wiki says Boas died in NYC.

>>131965998
>Marxism is a very complex science
Yeah, it's so Goddamn complex that when you try it, it murders tens of millions of your countrymen. But what the Hell, they probably deserved it, right?>>131966022

>>131970181
>lets genocide white people by destroying their culture by needlessly deconstructing every aspect of society

Seems simply Jewish to me

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>>131958540
Saged

Go live in Venezuela or North Korea you limp wristed commie manlet. Kys

>>131972180
Why? I want to change things here.

>>131971177
I don't hear any rebuttals. "Peterson is a fucking hack" is not an argument. And by refusing to engage his points, you prove them.

>>131972299
To what end. China, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea are all Marxist countries. Surely you would be more comfortable in the Workers Paradise than in the West?

>>131972376
And so far, no one in this thread has been able to provide convincing evidence that cultural Marxism is real.

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>>131972808
Only because Marxism isn't real. That's why it's never been tried.

>>131973001
No. It was definitely attempted. The early Soviet Union was definitely socialist before the NEP.

>>131969678
Underrated

>>131972704
The DPRK is closer to fascism than Marxism. Venezuela is social democratic. China and Vietnam are both capitalist.

>>131958540
Attempting to deconstruct Cultural Marxism is the most Cultural Marxist thing possible. Call it Critical Theory of you want, same shit.

>>131974611
No.

>>131976323
I know what Critical Theory is. In fact, I study it.

>>131976414
Forgot to change my flag back.

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>>131964724
The "cultural marxism" tie is mostly bound by the idea of the Oppressor and the Oppressed from a collective standpoint versus a societal change that reverberates from the individual. This is what reconciles Christianity with free markets and liberty all the while promoting selfless servitude to fellow man. It is a primary focus on the individual and their burden to society to give "of yourself."

By my best understanding Jordan Peterson covers this well in his Biblical Series. It is also why liberals will never understand why Christians believe in the welfare of their fellow man while not believing in welfare.

Frankfurt School teaches individuals to think as a collective through a lens of oppressor vs oppressed while the west has taught the collective to think as an individual through the lens of individual duty and stoicism.

>>131966571
Just because they disagreed with them (Or rather a subset of them) at some point doesn't mean they didn't influence them. Look at all the idpol fields influenced by them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields

Btw wtf is wrong woth you /l**typol/ fags? I'm banned until September because I disagreed with you. I've seen others as well. Why should we even give you a debate when you commies don't even do the same?

>>131977326
>the idea of the Oppressor and the Oppressed from a collective standpoint versus a societal change that reverberates from the individual.
Except this isn't unique to Marxism. Opposing forces and how they interact is found in every dialectical system.

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>>131978338
well, one of the problems with your dialectic is that a unity of opposites does not really provide a way out, and that lack of resolution is actually praised as an integral part of discourse and reason. i actually dont even think it's much of an exaggeration to say that a dialectical perspective is the link you're looking for between marxism and the cultural variety. although there is much thought behind it (i'll grant you), the doctrines really can be summed up in the postmodern (after-frankfurt) ideas of "all against all" but in groups. culture and society is a perpetual dialectic (read: power struggle both in language and in reality) between groups. it might be impossible to get someone out of marxist thought while dialectics are the highest form of analysis. anyway, i've also read frankfurt and the postmodernists and i would say that the former had some cultural marxist elements but did not entirely boot up the field. they were also very concerned with the degeneracy of capitalism and worried about that, not the same kind of nihilistic abandon that derrida and co. had

>>131958540
I think cultural Marxism would better described simply as cultural Leftism or cultural liberalism.

Many Jews didn't like what Stalin did with the URSS and saw their future in the US, so instead of promoting economic communism like in the Soviet Union they promoted cultural liberalism (feminism, minorities. Immigration,..)

Today cultural marxists are all NeoLiberals.

>>131978338
The cult of victimhood is the entire centerpoint of Marxism and all ideological offshoots.

>>131979748
But they did like it, all of them. It took decades after even the genocides came out before some semblance of introspection among the intellectuals came about, and only because the public was fucking sick of it. This momentary crisis of faith was also immediately channelled elsewhere. Marxism is a doctrine of eternal struggle and it wasn't hard to find some

>>131978338
>Okay so they definitely do it and I'll acknowledge it but ALL of those guys over there are doing it to!

Nice appeal to popularity.

If you wan to discuss the nuances of Critical Theory in comparison to various tribes and civilizations around the world passed and present... go ahead. I won't be here to listen.

I thought you wanted to talk about the stark contrast between Critical Theory and Western Civilization idealism. Im retiring for the night. This ambien has gotten away from me.

>>131958540
Day of the Helicopter for you soon, communigger shill.

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>>131958540
Kill yourself commie kike.

>the institute of social research in Frankfurt never existed, they did not immigrate to Columbia University because they weren't majority Jewish in the Third Reich/Western Marxists because all of those things are 'conspiracies' when they arrive at conclusions I dislike
>Douglass Kellner doesn't exist, nor has he contributed anything because the field doesn't really exist
archive.is/YzkIS
Archived version of the Wiki entry before it was selectively edited to use the "everything that I don't read about is a conspiracy and other strawmen" meme. This is about as bad as whining about scientific thought being paramount, yet denying the existence of divergent evolution applied to human cognitive ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

>>131989014
>everything I dislike is a conspiracy
>the Overton window doesn't exist because it's in my favour, but does exist when it's against my beliefs
>video illustrating the history of the Frankfurt school and their migration from Europe to NA has nothing to do with the teachings of said school
>waaa don't use outdated terms to address my special pet minorities
>I can discard any point while simultaneously adding my input as if that constitutes a rebuttal
I mean, a great start would be disproving the migration, as that would mean nothing of the sort ever occurred. Try: www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/modernism/kovel.htm
But discarding the post while putting in a quip=refutation. I guess there is good reason you act as you do. Diverting from the actual discussion and opting to make non-sequiturs masked as actual points is useful when you've been backed into a corner: either everything is a conspiracy laadeedaa and the members of the Frankfurt school were not doubly despised for being Marxists AND Jewish (in the Third Reich, which is what lead to their exodus to Columbia University), or they weren't Jewish and the Frankfurt school never even existed. Remember: arguing for the latter="conspiracy". Historical accuracy=mean conclusion; ergo, it is "discarded".

>>131989030
From:
https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf

"Many 20th century Marxian theorists ranging from Georg Lukacs,
Antonio Gramsci, Ernst Bloch, Walter Benjamin, and T.W. Adorno to Fredric Jameson and Terry Eagleton employed the Marxian theory to analyze cultural forms in relation to their production, their imbrications with society and history, and their impact and influences on audiences and social life. Traditions of cultural Marxism are thus important
to the trajectory of cultural studies and to understanding its various types and forms in the present age."
Emphasis on "employed the Marxian theory to analyze cultural forms in relation to their production, their imbrications with society and history, and their impact and influences on audiences and social life".

>>131989039
"The economic base of society for Marx and Engels consisted of the forces and relations of production in which culture and ideology are constructed to help secure the dominance of ruling social groups. This influential "base/superstructure" model considers the economy the base, or foundation, of society, and cultural, legal, political,
and additional forms of life are conceived as “superstructures" which grow out of and serve to reproduce the economic base."

"In general, for a Marxian approach, cultural forms always emerge in specific historical situations, serving particular socio-economic interests and carrying out important social functions. For Marx and Engels, the cultural ideas of an epoch serve the interests of the ruling class, providing ideologies that legitimate class domination. “Ideology” is a critical term for Marxian analysis that describes how dominant ideas of a given class promote the interests of that class and help cover over oppression, injustices, and negative aspects of a given society. On their analysis, during the feudal period, ideas of piety, honor, valor, and military chivalry were the ruling ideas of the hegemonic aristocratic classes. During the capitalist era, values of individualism, profit, competition, and the market became dominant, articulating the ideology of the new bourgeois class that was consolidating its class power. Ideologies appear natural, they seem to be common sense, and are thus often invisible and elude criticism."

>>131989056
"While Marx’s writings abound with literary reference and figures, he never developed sustained models of cultural analysis. Instead, Marx focused his intellectual and political energies on analyzing the capitalist mode of production, current economic developments and political struggles, and vicissitudes of the world market and modern societies now theorized as “globalization” and “modernity.”"

"A generation of Marxists, however, began turning concentrated attention to cultural phenomena in the 1920s. Perry Anderson (1976) interprets the turn from economic and political analysis to cultural theory as a symptom of the defeat of Western Marxism after the crushing of the European revolutionary movements of the 1920s and
the rise of fascism. In addition, theorists like Lukacs, Benjamin, and Adorno, who instituted a mode of Marxist cultural analysis, were intellectuals who had deep and abiding interest in cultural phenomena."

"The ultra-Marxist Lukacs of the early 1920s
intently developed philosophical and political dimensions of Marxism before returning to cultural analysis later in the 1920s."

>>131989069
"The work of the Frankfurt School provided what Paul Lazarsfeld (1942), one of the originators of modern communications studies, called a critical approach, which he distinguished from the "administrative research." The positions of Adorno, Lowenthal,
and other members of the inner circle of the Institute for Social Research were contested by Walter Benjamin, an idiosyncratic theorist loosely affiliated with the Institute.
Benjamin, writing in Paris during the 1930s, discerned progressive aspects in new technologies of cultural production such as photography, film, and radio. In "The Work
of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" (1969), Benjamin noted how new mass media were supplanting older forms of culture whereby the mass reproduction of photography, film, recordings, and publications replaced the emphasis on the originality
and "aura" of the work of art in an earlier era. Freed from the mystification of high culture, Benjamin believed that media culture could cultivate more critical individuals able to judge and analyze their culture, just as sports fans could dissect and evaluate
athletic activities. In addition, processing the rush of images of cinema created, Benjamin believed, subjectivities better able to parry and comprehend the flux and turbulence of experience in industrialized, urbanized societies."

>>131962889
>tfw a Jewish mass murdered has better hair than you

>>131989077
"Max Horkheimer and T.W. Adorno answered Benjamin's optimism in a highly influential analysis of the culture industry published in their book Dialectic of Enlightenment, which first appeared in 1948 and was translated into English in 1972.
They argued that the system of cultural production dominated by film, radio broadcasting, newspapers, and magazines, was controlled by advertising and commercial imperatives, and served to create subservience to the system of consumer capitalism.
While later critics pronounced their approach too manipulative, reductive, and elitist, it provides an important corrective to more populist approaches to media culture that downplay the way the media industries exert power over audiences and help produce
thought and behavior that conforms to the existing society."

This is in direct contradiction to the "conspiracy" bit as the purpose/goal is about as open as could be. Just because Breitbart said it doesn't mean he was wrong about it; it is the injection of a Marxian lens of analysis to the Western traditional culture, specifically capitalist culture.

"The Frankfurt School also provide useful historical perspectives on the transition from traditional culture and modernism in the arts to a mass-produced media and consumer society. In his path-breaking book The Structural Transformation of the Public
Sphere, Jurgen Habermas further historicizes Adorno and Horkheimer’s analysis of the culture industry. Providing historical background to the triumph of the culture industry,
Habermas notes how bourgeois society in the late 18th and 19th century was distinguished by the rise of a public sphere that stood between civil society and the state and which mediated between public and private interests. For the first time in history, individuals
and groups could shape public opinion, giving direct expression to their needs and interests while influencing political practice. The bourgeois public sphere made it possible to form a realm of public opinion that opposed state power and the powerful interests that were coming to shape bourgeois society."

>>131989106
"While the Frankfurt School arguably articulates cultural conditions in the stage of state monopoly capitalism or Fordism that produced a regime of mass production and consumption, British cultural studies emerged in the 1960s when, first, there was
widespread global resistance to consumer capitalism and an upsurge of revolutionary movements, and then emergence of a new stage of capital, described as "post-Fordism," postmodernity, or other terminology that attempted to describe a more variegated and
contested social and cultural formation. Moreover, the forms of culture described by the earliest phase of British cultural studies in the 1950s and early 1960s articulated conditions in an era in which there were still significant tensions in England and much of
Europe between an older working class-based culture and the newer mass-produced culture whose models and exemplars were the products of American culture industries."

>>131989112
Pointing out the "cultural studies" of the Brits is not akin to a "conspiracy" simply because you feel as it is/strawman the critiques. The only assertion is what the "studies" profess openly.

"But British cultural studies, unlike the Frankfurt school, did not adequately engage modernist and avant-garde aesthetic movements, limiting its attentions by and large to products of media culture and “the popular.” However, the Frankfurt school engagement with modernism and avant-garde art in many of its protean forms is arguably more productive than the ignoring of modernism and to some extent high culture as a whole by many within British cultural studies."

>>131958540

your mom is a myth

>>131959226
because your talking total shit.

If i see a shit on the sidewalk im not going to start a conversation with it either.

>>131989130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyar0goYMdU

Archived log of OP's shilling: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131588851/#131588851
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131128069/#131128069
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129285451/#129285451
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129064891/#129064891
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/128793312/#128793312

The thread I take from, THAT WAS LITERALLY BUMPLOCKED YESTERDAY: http://archive.is/yNQIP

On CM: http://archive.is/YzkIS

In their own words: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM

Also, look here: http://4+4ch.net/leftypol/res/1808031.html#1809315

Add 4 and 4 to put 8 in the post.

OP is a typical user of leftypol, where I have already debated his points and debunked his strawmen.

The only argument is to take the lowest hanging fruit of "Cultural Marxism was made by evil Jews to kill white people".

NO: that is not the assertion. Cultural Marxism is Marxism applied to cultural studies, which leaked out into other cultural fields of thought utilizing the same modes of analysis the Jewish Marxists used.

>>131989247
Now watch OP dip out of the thread and not offer a rebuttal.

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>>131989299
Or post gems like the following:

Which are refuted in the following link: http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Fuerst%2C%20John.%20%22The%20nature%20of%20race.%22%20Open%20Behavioral%20Genetics%2C%20June%2C%202015.pdf

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>>131958540
The kikes need to adjust their strategy on these shill threads. The nose just knows.

>>131989329
I think OP thought I wouldn't catch wind of this thread. Usually it waits a few weeks between threads, but this one was literally a day after.

See: Also, look here: http://4+4ch.net/leftypol/res/1808031.html#1809315

Add 4 and 4 to put 8 in the post.

OP is a typical user of leftypol, where I have already debated his points and debunked his strawmen.

>>131966426
>hedonistic and ultra-materialistc

You mean how much of the west is right now due to capitalist excesses?

>>131966616
The Aryan race is a myth.

>>131989623
So you admit Cultural Marxism is the extension of Marxist critique at Capitalist culture that has "so many woes"? Good, so it exists.

>>131989640
Germanic, actually. Aryan is not accurate.

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>>131965047
>Marxism
>Understanding of economics

>>131958540
>that one faggot who keeps posting the same fucking video

Did the idiot already leave? I can see what he's trying to do. If you guys aren't aware of who this loser is, he makes this same shit thread to try to get a "Ha ha!" on /pol/ by showing how ignorant everyone is and he is the (((wise))) and clever commie sage. There's no point in arguing with him because he will never acknowledge that post-modernism was heavily influenced by Marxism and WHILE THEY ARE NOT EXACTLY THE SAME THING there are still significant overlap and similarities.

>>131990202
Notice how he has responded to none of my posts calling out the hypocrisy in the assertions and covering the history of shilling?

>>131990202
He is just butthurt that all leftist "thinkers" have kinda abandoned communism since they sort of realized its shit. Modern left is all about faggots, niggers and trannies.

>>131990493
>the worker's revolution will arrive soon.... just let me justify my claims of ownership while simultaneously preaching to dismantle ownership....

>>131990328
Do you know that quote from Hitler about arguing with Jews?

>>131990328
His last reply was over three hours ago so that might be why. Still, he would probably just dodge any valid points you make because he obviously has an agenda.
>>131990493
>leftists
>butthurt
The understatement of the century.

>its a commie copypasta thread gets 300 replies episode

Are we still not supposed to post about YT normalising child abuse?

>>131990577
I gradually came to hate them. Yes, I do.

>>131990585
>His last reply was over three hours ago so that might be why. Still, he would probably just dodge any valid points you make because he obviously has an agenda.
If this isn't evidence of shills, I don't know what is.

Take a look here: http://4+4ch.net/leftypol/res/1808031.html#1809315

Add 4 and 4 to put 8 in the post.

Same person shilling their same video. Crossposting from 8/leftypol/ exists and I have documented it.

Cultural Marxism has already been dissected and proven from the quotations of its creators.
Here is the best proof of the tentacles of Cultural Marxist critical theory (think of it as continuous criticism in order to achieve pure relativism) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields

Even states how it reaches out into queer and females studies because they are also stooped in relativist critiques to dismantle "white supremacy, male supremacy, hetero...".

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>>131990748
I'm with you. I've seen him post here at least twice now. He's definitely a shill. People should become more aware of the deconstructionist nature of Postmodernism and Cultural Marxism since they are the tools being used to divide and conquer. Just for anyone ignorant on the subject and still reading, the problem with these revolutionary schemes is that they're meant to benefit a small minority. People like the OP are what Lenin called "useful idiots." The new boss is usually worse than the old boss so revolution is definitely not in most people's interest. If you want evidence literally read any history book.

>>131991113
The refutation for any Marxist is simple: cite me evidence of Marxist ideology being implemented successfully on a mass-scale system in a nation with millions of people, like the Netherlands. No state, no currency.
The issue is that no such example exists because, like climate change issues, it must be worldwide or it won't work. If even one nation continues to pollute, the demand will cause factories to flock to said nation. Just the same: even if one nation operated with currency, others will follow suit, as they have done so.

>>131958540
You are a pretentious cunt, a fucked up pseudo-intellectual piece of shit.

>>131965998
Marxism = science is equal to Christianity = science. You are so degenerate, commie shill. Never mix ideological theories with science you faggot cunt.

>>131958540
>Okay /pol/, convince me, a full-blown Marxist

Why interact with a self-confessed retard in a serious way?

>>131968283
Why is that relevant moron? it's ethnicity of Jews that matter, religious Jews are not as bad.

>>131991466
We also can't forget the emotional side of it which is why a lot of people get sucked into it in the first place. People full of resentment who lack real self-respect will be the easiest to sway. Here's a catchy tune appropriate for the thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxIbq7HkalQ

Everyone except for Adorno was a filthy kike, Adorno is our guy. now fuck off OP you have been proven wrong countless times, stop making these threads.

>>131992206
Try debating with them. More often than not, the worker's revolution is justified because "if I don't work, then we starve so I guess aggression is the solution".
This assumes that you are entitled sustenance just because you exist as a human. I guess we should guarantee cows the right to existence because they're alive, too? In reality, very few instances exist of an organism surviving without having to exert effort in order to survive. Nobody owes you anything, which is a harsh truth. That's why Communism has failed.

>>131965998
"science" lol

Look up "Whig History" Comm-anon. Realize that the "history is a progression toward X end goal" is a fallacy (specifically it's a Begging the Question or Petitio Principii fallacy). Then realize literally all of Marxism relies completely on this fallacy being true to work.

Then realize what you believe is just that: belief. There is no real logic to it. You're just doing EXACTLY what a Christian, or a Moslem, or a Jew, or any other cloudman zealot does - believing in a fairy tale that simplifies life into a pattern so you can be less afraid of the void of nothingness that awaits us all.

Except historically, your system get's that void to more people who don't deserve it faster than others.

Go read some fucking Epicurus. Learn what his mean means.

>>131962889

My god, *sniff* pure ideology!

>>131958540
It depends on what you mean by Cultural Marxism. These thinkers were from Marxist intelligentsia, and their sought a cultural revolution. Hence Cultural Marxism.

>>131964041
POST MORE FLUFFIES

>>131968398

Lol this is just so bad. Gramsci used cultural hegemony to refer to the currently dominant capitalist ideology, it was not some diabolical plan.

>>131991466
Oh its simpler than that even.

Everyone forgets that Marx didn't just help to invent formalized Communism. He also invented Capitalism. Before Das Kapital, it was never fucking called "capitalism" at all. It was just economics. "Capitalism" is a bogeyman. A myth that there is ideological framework surrounding commerce. It was created so that the ideology of communism could have a big bad guy to fight. After all, if you're fighting against a cabal of all powerful rich elite, you feel a lot more justified in your fight (right /pol/?)

To get a real life example of why money will always exist and people will create it if you take it away: prisons.

Prisoners will basically always immediately create a black market based on scarcity of available goods in the prison, because all prisons have scarcity built in (kind of the point). They will create a medium of exchange for representation of value units and it will fit the basic needs of all money (relatively small and easy to carry, fairly easy to procure). It used to be cigarettes, but most prisons these days have banned smokes, so now it's either stamps or ramen flavor packets usually.

But it ALWAYS happens.

Because commerce always happens.

Because scarcity is a real thing and people create markets for it.

And where there are markets, there will always be enterprising merchants, complete with investors and networks to protect investments - "capitalism."

You can take people out of the system, and they will create the system. Every time.

Frankfurt School's sane side did nothing wrong.

but /pol/ is literally full of below average intellect idiots from U.S. and they're afraid of words and won't read them.

>>131993831
And Malta has literally done nothing worthy of note other than being the whore island of European conquest.

You can be dismissed as having as little a point as your people have a consistent genealogy.

>>131994561
Go wax your ass, it appears to be hurt.

>>131994603
That literally makes no sense. Waxing would increase pain. If it hurts, why would fucking increase the pain potential.

Jesus. It's true what they say about crossbreed Maltese. Fucking dumbshits.

>>131995081
>If it hurts, why would fucking increase the pain potential.
Have you never heard about the pain numbing aspect of adrenaline release? tsk tsk, don't call people retarded before you check yourself.

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>>131958540

there's no proof

"cultural marxism" is fedora tier cringe

pol is too lazy to understand societal change, blame marx instead

typing "frankfurt school" or "cultural marxism" is an attempt to appear informed and 'in the know'

>>131966866
Show us your dick.

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>>131958540
Ya think you're hot shit, dontchya?!

>>131958540
Yes I know that ,I have been calling lefties Marxists for two years it just seemed to fit.

>>131966022
This
This is what has happened to Marxist theory.

>>131958540
cultural marxism is real its called post modernism

its pretty fucking clear for anybody who has any sort of contact in the humanities or arts that there is a big like "flow" of ideas that carries marxist revolutionary cliches into cultural critique, literally, cultural marxism

also, marxist ties into sjw shit cause its the same gas-lighting perverse dynamic of "im only bullying you so you understand you are bully" and "look at what you made me do!"

its pathological as fuck

>>132000759
> "flow" of ideas that carries marxist revolutionary cliches into cultural critique
if this exists, then it's a reaction to something that tries to make our society regress to pre-XIXth century standards
Now we know a solid chunk of what we refer to as "traditional values" has no natural reason to be
You might be supporting that idea of going back to traditional standards but most of the time, it's totally hypocritical
The same people complaining about cultural marxism are the same who'd be lost and angry if they had to quit their little degenerate hobbies

>>132001250
>if this exis
LOL
It has gotten to the point where its not only overused but it is used as in-group signalin, being a cultural marxist is a haircut to signal you are conscious and creative, part of the "empathic" elite, the more opression you are aware of, the cooler you are

give it 5 years before people start eating dirt and talking about plant suffering

>its a reaction to something that tries to make our society regress
No its not, is a disembodied form of fake marxism that signals empathic virtue,

also society isn't one, and societies don't evolve in linear fashions, specially culture, it moves more like spirals, things come in and out of the focus till they become irritating and are let go, then they are revisited and expanded in the future, always looping but never in fixed states

>You might be supporting that idea of going back to traditional standards
I never said that, also realize marxism is very fucking old, you are the traditionalist here

>The same people complaining about cultural marxism are the same who'd be lost and angry if they had to quit their little degenerate hobbies
??

>>132002004
>make our society regress
And this phrase you are using here is deeply subjective and tyranical as shit, it talks about the way you see people's natural interactions as something you ought to fix

In the end your way of thinking says you are either 15, an unvirtous person trying to signal-add some value to yourself, or very resented and confused

>>131989765
This, Germanic and Nordic genes are under the Aryan blanket term

Holy shit, these arguments are pathetic. Why even try to get /pol/ to explain themselves when they clearly just pick up whatever boogeyman term from this board, and imagine some half baked conspiracy to make it sound cool and dangerous.

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>>131958540
Jonathan Bowden did a series of lectures on Cultural Marxism and the Franfurt school. They're on youtube.

If you really care to learn about it you'll need more than a 200 word post on /pol/.