Should healthcare be a universal right?

It really is one of the nicest thing about being a Leaf.

>>131936982
>It seems like it should be in this day and age

CURRENT YEAR

>>131937492
your country is already home to over 3 million central Americans since December. All of them need healthcare and you are going to pay for it.

>>131936982
Catastrophic care should be a right, but with conditions. Everyone should have access, but I shouldn't have to pay for bad or unhealthy habits.

If you have bad health habits, mental health services should be mandatory.

>>131936982
Go to Africa and tell all the niggers they now have the right to healthcare and see where that gets them.

My wife doesn't understand how to arch her back like that

You're either born with that ability or you arent. Even the girls in porn fail at this 50/50

>>131936982
I think it's more wrong to make people pay then it is to not make them, and because of that some people can't pay.

>>131938036
This

>>131937492
Our system is overburdened and filled with cancerous unnecessary administrators.

>>131936982
If a right requires someone else for it to exist, it isnt a right

>>131936982
I'm ok with single payer healthcare if there are some conditions to access it.
1. No smoking. You need new lungs? Fuck off, you chose that life.
2. No being an alcoholic. Livers are expensive
3. No niggers. Self explanatory
4. No other races in general. As #3
5. No homosexuality. No I don't want to pay to have a doctor pull your donkey-size dildo out of your ass every other week when it gets lodged in place. Stick stuff in your butt, you pay to have it removed or it stays.
6. No long island ice-tea. You'd be surprised how many accidents start with one of those.
7. Mandatory screening of fetuses.
8. Mandatory abortion of defective fetuses.
9. Mandatory abortion of half-breeds.
10. Mandatory abortion if parents vape.
11. No bodyfat over 30%

>>131937492
Our health care is shit and is staffed by third world pajeet and chink doctors.

>>131938423
flag btw

>>131938363

Conversely, many of these reasons are why I DON'T want universal health care. I don't want the government to become my nanny in order to cut the healthcare costs of idiots killing themselves.

>>131936982
>potato head
>no ass

Confirmed clovernigger

>>131936982

$$$

The countries in EU that do have it tax people 60%.

Do you want to pay 4x the price for the same car?

EU have small homes, small meals, small cars. This is not only for space, but because they have very little extra money.


Universal healthcare will cost too much, today we run yearly deficits that add to the national growing debt of $20T+

We need a way to make companies and states revamp the system to new 21 Century technololgy, Facebook, Amazon, Uber, etc..

We can save hundreds of billions by removing waste, increasing efficiency and cracking down on corruption of insurance/hospital/political players.


- Heath care for all
- Lower corruption/waste/taxes
- quality of care

Pick 2.

>>131936982
>Should healthcare be a universal right?

Should robbing other ppl be a universal right?

hmmmm .. really a hard one ... for a leftofascist.

>>131936982
If healthcare is a universal right
Whom are then violating your right if you don't get healthcare.
The government? The government don't create any money or value, they can only tax people. Is it a human right to tax people?

No. Take care of your own shit.

>>131938315
No such thing as positive rights.

>>131938670
>no ass

nigger detected

>>131938261
>Our system is overburdened and filled with cancerous unnecessary administrators.
Maybe, but it's 30 times more efficient in terms of administrators than the US system.

>>131936982
yes

>>131938630
It would be better tho right? If you had to pick from the two?

>>131938363
Actually number 6 may take care of the rest of the bad decisions.

>>131936982
Wardens must take care of their prisoners.

>>131939132
Source? Legit curious, not being a fuckler

>>131936982
rights are actions you can do.

If you are describing a noun as a right, its not one.

>>131936982

the word "should" is literally meaningless

the word "should" contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics

there "should" be infinite free energy for everyone, and infinite number of doctors and food, everyone should immediately get whatever they can imagine

The reality is that the number of people being born who are smart enough to become doctors is declining, and the number of people being born who are not smart enough to be doctors but will require healthcare is increasing, because the "professional" class in western societies are not having enough children

much illness is caused by chronical bad habbits. tried to convince my father into a healther diet with tons of vegan raw food. he denied. guess what he cried every day how bad he feels. he didn't work (on welfare), said he can't concentrate, said he has no motivation.
meanwhile i've built my own business and moved out.
i say fuck him. he only denied change, because he had his welfare. if he would've been forced to be productive and to make money, he would've been forced to change all of his habbits.

i was poor and if i know one thing for sure is that romantizising poverty and embracing excusionism for poor people is not working, it's making things even worse. it's like giving a drug addict more money, because he's sick and he needs it.

why am i talking about diet? because especially when you can't find a job and you are out of shape, you have to become in your best shape to get out of this mess. but what do poor people usually do? they enjoy living the poor live on welfare and only change when they are told to.

man. i'm done with this shit. thinking poor people are good people and need help makes no sense when you saw how your poor parents acted. and when you realized helping them only caused them to keep behaving the way they did.

I am in favor of UHC simply because it reduces the cost per capita and my personal cost. Due to market factors and legal factors etc too many to list. Two overlooked factors:
>lifts burden from employers making it cheaper to hire full time
>frees peoele to start businesses which increases innovation/competition. There's surely several million people out there who would totally take a shot at entrepreneurship but for FT employment being the only path to affordable family healthcare
Believe me there IS a strong conservative case for UHC

Question is just can UHC not suck balls? Well I mean nothing is impossible. Let's fucking do it and do it well. This is America. We can do anything.

>>131939132
If you add the insurance industry, the US system is way worse. I am a psychologist and we are switching to fee for service on a sliding scale for therapy and a payment plan for testing.

Why should an insurance company get a 40% cut for being a middleperson?

>>131939770
If you added some type of indemnity, it would keep the lawyers away.

>>131936982
Single payer system would make healthcare cheap for everyone and cover everyone. Can't see a problem for each individual to throw less money into the same pool rather than people through large sums into many different pools. Big profit for emevery transaction is a philosophy for the age of antiquity which was obsolete with the rise if the internet now, any business person with an iota of intelligence knows that the big money is in volume.

I think we could impose a yearly deductible of 750. This would dramatically reduce willy nilly visits for muh sore throat and back hurts I need vicodins. Niggers would often not even chew up the deductible.

That alone would make the whole system work

>>131938051
Same here bro.

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>>131936982
It's not a right but it's one of the only two ways to do healthcare proper.

The issue is that Healthcare as a privately sold good is a slightly fallacious argument given several unique qualities:
>Healthcare is not something easily haggled for: you need it when you need it, if you're having an emergency you don't get to compare and contrast hospitals, you go to the closest one
>Hospitals have difficulty opening up due to the high standards that the practitioners are supposed to have
>The cost of developing procedures and medicines is incredibly high such that private investors are obviously going to gouge prices so long as the patent holds (25 years about in the USA)

My general feeling is that there should be some base protection for the public (philosophically extending from how the government holds an army to protect its citizens from foreign threats that individuals cant handle, it should provide some healthcare to protect against microscopic threats that individuals cant handle).
I like >>131938036 s approach. Things that you can handle on a personal level, you handle on a personal level. Other things (various viruses and diseases, cancers and mutations that you had a low or inherited risk for) should be covered but your health habits should be taxed or not covered at all.
So for instance, if I have an inherited risk for heart attacks from my father, I should have to tell the government what my health habits are that could potentially increase my risk. Whether my heart attacks would be covered would depend on how much I did to increase or decrease the chance of a heart attack in my own personal life.

I'm honestly really happy at how sensible /pol/ is with issues that have data and precedent behind them. It's one of the things I resent the msot about Europe is how they become zealots about liberal policies. The shit with Google the other day made my blood boil

>>131936982
sure, why not

if you think you deserve free healthcare, doctors should let you die.
if you think free healthcare is a privilige and when you are thankful for it, doctors should be allowed to help you if they want to.

>>131940326
Doctors should all be forced down on their knees and shot in the head until they comply to offer services free of charge

Now what faggot

>>131936982
why not make sexual intercourse a universal right?

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>>131940263
>>131936982
ultimate redpill

>>131936982
It really depends. Its not good when it acts as an incentive for bad behavior. But i am a christian and i dont mind paying a litte bit of my money to help less fortunate people. For me the real question here is not yes or no, but rather what should be covered.

No, Doctors go through hell to get that training. If you want a guy to remove a tumor from your smoke infested lung while cutting threw 20 pounds of lung in your mcdonalds compacted chest.


YOU PAY FUCKING MONEY

>>131940326
I agree healthcare does not excuse personal irresponsibility.

It is part of the social contract. But it allows the government to hold people lives sacred.

The Declaration of Independence states:
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

So life is unalienable right. Therefore healthcare is an unalienable right.

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>>131936982
>it seems like
>current year

Are you capable of high level thought? Can you even form an argument?

>>131936982
>1 post by this id

>>131940913
What if your walking on the side walk and illegal Mexican with no license jumps the curb in his 1998 Pontiac and obliterated your nutsack?

Your lack of scope is bewildering

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>>131940644
I love AnCap-fags. I always learn new things from them.
>Note: I post the following image out of love and jest, not disrespect or mockery

>>131938363
Haha.. the first time I kissed a man was after a couple long island teas.. I needed a little courage to embrace who I really was.

>So life is unalienable right. Therefore healthcare is an unalienable right.

People like you should be send into the forest, living alone. There you'll learn the difference between your natural rights (which you have in tthe wilderness) and your societal benifits/privileges (which you have, when you are back in society).

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>>131936982
If you remove jews, and thus insane debt and usury,

basic taxe can give food and healthcare to anyone in the country and even export it as charity

>>131936982
There is no "should" with rights. Either a right exists or it doesn't. You can't make a right, or give a right.

>>131939179
What if there are not enough doctors? Or the cost becomes too great?

>>131936982
If it's a gift from the government it's not a "right".

I have the best healthcare in the world right at home, and it was invented and subsequently put into effect by Franco. Feels really good.

>>131936982
no, because no matter what day and age, you still have to pay for it and paying for it imposes on other human beings

you do not have a right to healthcare. the best you'll get from me is that if you have a serious illness, like cancer, the government will pay for your healthcare if you agree to temporarily donate your body to science in the hope of finding a cure for whatever ails you

if you're injured and don't have the ability to pay to get fixed up, you should get charity care as long as it's an accident and not result of a lifestyle choice, like riding a motorcycle or some shit

if you're 600 pounds or cannot pass a physical fitness test (as a fat fuck, lanklet can still be saved), you should be gassed

>>131936982
we wouldn't need a "right" to health if we didn't allow profiteers to charge whatever the old, sick, suffering and dying people have to bear in the "marketplace" of government supported monopolies.

single payer plans and price controls would get rid of that layer of useless interference between doctor and patient.
Eurobros beware, this is what your conservatives and "classic liberals" want you to yoke around your neck.

>>131936982

Healthcare is already a right. You go to the doctor and the government won't arrest you and throw you in jail.

The problem is that marxists don't want rights. They want welfare. They want to put a gun to the heads of American taxpayers and force them to pay for their shit lifestyle. Fuck parasites.

>>131936982
It already is. Doctors cannot refuse to treat you. Paying for it is an entirely different story though and access to cheap, subsidized insurance is not a human right. I wouldn't mind single payer, but it needs to be fair. Genetic cesspools who are sick all the time or degenerates need to pay more than healthy people.

>>131939216

No. Give a subsidy to poorer people to pay, break the conglomerates, fund hospitals, and let competition drive prices down enough for the rest to buy their own healthcare plans.

I don't want a bureaucracy micro-managing the health of me or the people as a whole. If the trade off is a more unequal system, so be it. It can be improved by regulation without the need of socialization.

>>131941397
The government causes implosion upon society all the time. Why wouldnt i expect reasonable healthcare if I was a choosing to live and be a benefit in society that makes decisions resulting in huge liabilities to my own well being? I could fuck off to the woods though that doesnt benefit anyone, only myself

>>131940947
Tell me what the government is doing to change your right to life so we can fix it

>>131940644

This.

That being said, the concerns about ethnic-based fraternal organizations countering Americanization was nonetheless right. The older systems of it need to be renewed.

Yes, only if we cut out the middleman that is insurance.

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Deport fatties on Obamacare to Canada.

>>131936982
>rights
>rights
>rights
>rights

Niggas need to shut the fuck up about rights.

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>>131936982
>It seems like it should be in this day and age

YEAH, IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR AFTER ALL, WE SHOULD BE LIVING ON MARS BY NOW, TOO!!!!! THIS IS THE FAULT OF BLORGMPH AND THOSE RURAL AND SUBURBAN RETARDS WHO VOTED HIM IN FOR WHY WE DON'T HAVE OUR UTOPIA YET!!!!

>>131938363
>1. No smoking. You need new lungs? Fuck off, you chose that life.
>2. No being an alcoholic. Livers are expensive
>3. No niggers. Self explanatory
>4. No other races in general. As #3
>5. No homosexuality. No I don't want to pay to have a doctor pull your donkey-size dildo out of your ass every other week when it gets lodged in place. Stick stuff in your butt, you pay to have it removed or it stays.
I know you're talking about just generic single payer, but discussing catastrophic coverage, lifestyle choices should IMO always be NOT covered

i mentioned riding a motorcycle in another post. if you get in an accident on your bike, you should be covered if you are not at fault. if you are at fault or if it was an accident caused by an equipment or road defect, you should be covered

if you were doing 90 and swerved cutting someone off, you should be ready to pay the piper.

t. bikefag

>6. No long island ice-tea. You'd be surprised how many accidents start with one of those.
>7. Mandatory screening of fetuses.
agree
>8. Mandatory abortion of defective fetuses.
agree
>9. Mandatory abortion of half-breeds.
unrealistic, but i agree with a caveat. only if they're half nigger or half spick (abort all nigger babies)
>10. Mandatory abortion if parents vape.
agree
>11. No bodyfat over 30%
is bodyfat a reliable metric? my brother in law in 5'10 or shorter and over 300lbs. he's clearly fat, but built like a tank. he's faster, stronger, and in better shape than most people i know. just puts on weight easily

>>131942552
like a parasite:
>i want
>i want
>i want
>i want
>kills his host
>finds new host
>i want
>i want
>i want

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Totally.

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Healthcare isn't a right, it's a responsibility. The truth is people have to start taking better care of themselves. Many (most) disease in this country is the result of Americans not exercising, eating shit foods, and leading unhealthy lifestyles. Then they get sick and blame everyone but themselves for not 'taking care' of them. It's degenerate and it has to stop. The govt, doctors etc cannot "fix" most of this stuff through drugs or what have you. Only personal responsibility and better habits can. There are some things (car accidents, etc) that should be universally covered but most of this stuff is just a scam by the pharmaceutical industry jews who are willing to pull the wool over stupid goys to make money.

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>>131936982
How can you make a service provided to you by others a right?

>flag

saged

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>>131936982
fixed that for you

>>131936982
>Should healthcare be a universal right?
It can not be
Healthcare is a service.
You do not have a right to someone else's labor, skills and time.
You make a voluntary exchange with them for those things.

fuck no! The rich deserve more tax cuts and I'm all for the republican healthcare plan and the Medicaid cuts! It's fantastic! I'm poor as fuck and would gladly die to save the president a few dollars because then I can do something for a righteous cause with my miserable fucking life.

>>131942881
kek

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>>131936982

If someone wants healthcare, then they can get off their lazy fucking asses and work for it. I'm sick of this 'give me' generation. What a fucking lazy embarrassment to humanity.

>>131939101
Wrong.
I'm positive you're a canuck cuck, and I know I'm right.

>gf owns store with co-workers
>she's given up, because it's not worth it anymore with all of the bureaucratic burden and taxes, especially managing employees
>jobs gone
>employee has no job
>"welfare is my right"
>asks government for more gibs and more taxes on the evil rich

>reality sucks

>>131939770
i do think a baseline of universal coverage should be available, and beyond that i think "better" plans should be offered either as enticements for employments or preferences for personal coverage

>>131940079
so you want a baseline $245b in healthcare costs before medicare/medicaid?

>>131942881

Thank you and have a blessed day anon.

>>131941728
Yeah it feels awesome to have a sky-rocketing debt while being one of the european countries with higher fiscal pressure, but at least healthcare is o.k.

>>131936982
No, but it should be affordable. In the US hospital bills are grossly over priced. Some drugs prescribed by doctors are under copyright, and only one company can produce that drug. Because of that, the price is increased and insurance companies will refuse to cover the cost. There are no alternatives either, because you either fight with the insurance, pay thousands, or go without the drug until it's time has expired and cheaper brands can produce it.
Healthcare is not a right but it should be illegal for greedy companies to abuse it.

If healthcare is a basic human right define healthcare. Either the definition of healthcare will change or we'll amend the 13th amendment and force physicians to work

>>131936982
No in USA, lots of fatfucks there, also niggers

>>131936982
Free markets.
>>131938363
Or the alternative - don't tax, don't give, and let the free market sort it out.

>>131940263
in fairness, we already do (attempt to) protect citizens on a microscopic level, it's one of the reasons immigration control is so important

>>131936982
I'd rather have a free house or free food than free healthcare.

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>>131943125
Wew.

>Pic related.

>>131939101

Healthcare isn't a right. Its a fucking service that people need to pay for because it is highly specialized and expensive to administer.

>>131940644
Wow. It's almost as if we don't need the government to be involved in our living. I'm sure healthy habits were also encouraged/promoted as well, so as not to overburden the system.

just imagine a homeless person without food coming to you. telling you to buy him some food because it's his right to eat and to live.
i would totally buy him food, because it IS his right to be alive and to eat. i have to buy him food or otherwise i should go to prison, because i illegaly denied him his right to eat.

>>131937672
You really think those 3 million have no jobs and pay no taxes?

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>>131942881
for the autists among us, whomst've been triggered by those proportions

>>131936982
Healthcare is a service provided by another human being. As soon as you make it a human right for another human being to treat you, you're making that other person a slave. He has no choice in the matter anymore.

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>>131936982
In a post-scarcity economy, sure, but that's impossible on earth since natural resources and land size will always be limiters on how much we can expand.
That's why space travel, and more importantly, space mining is something we should be focusing on wholeheartedly. There are entire planets full of resources out there just waiting to be used.

>>131944800
They are working the jobs Canadians don't want to do

If they're illegals, patch them up, bill their country of origin, and deport them. Citizens have a right to health care, but anyone who needs government handouts should be sterilized until they no longer need it. We have the tech to make sterilization/unsterilization an outpatient procedure.

>>131936982

Coming from Australia, a proper public healthcare system paid for via taxes is something I'm all for. The health system here in the USA is completely nuts. It is unbelievably expensive and crippled with antiquated business processes. As a "universal right" though, I'm not so sure.

People should definitely receive care for medical problems, but should those who engage in self-destructive behaviours such as overeating and smoking receive free care for problems that are clearly caused by those chronic behaviours? I argue that they shouldn't and the flip side of the social contract is that as individuals we must act responsibly and not take advantage of the system.

In Australia, if you have a problem you drop by your local doctor and can get it fixed with no out of pocket expenses. This is very expensive, but when you look at the effect on the entire country it's better overall that people don't wait until things really serious before going to the doctor as they can get back to being productive members of society sooner.

If you need surgery for something, you can be on a waiting list that could be months or even years long, but in reality if you're waiting that long then it's not that big of a problem for you. If it's urgent, you'll get it done lickety-split.

Further down the moral dilemma and something that's increasingly becoming an issue as the population ages, is that most medical expenses are accrued towards the end of life. Should we be spending thousands of dollars a day to keep people in their 70s, 80s or 90s on life support? Should we spend tens of thousands of dollars on trying to cure their cancer? Should we keep people on life support when there's no chance they'll ever recover and wait until they waste away?

Australia's been doing fine since its public health system came in, but things are changing now and the cost of healthcare is consuming a very large part of government budgets now. Politicians are afraid to ask these tough questions.

>>131936982
Good health is a privilege, it's not the states roll to give it. If you have diabetes and drink 4 2L sodas a day--the state should not subsidies your lifestyle.

Somehow I see assisted suicide is going to be a booming business in the future. That's how all socialized health systems end up.

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>>131936982
What makes you so important that you should be taken cared of? There are people that risk their lives and go to war to protect their country, why should some nobody get healthcare for free?

>>131936982
A right means the government ensures you won't be bothered by X.

There are no rights saying you will be given X.

No. There is limited supply and unlimited demand. Markets create good cost-efficient services.

>>131946243

...will people be happy to pay more in tax to support these growing costs while maintaining the current approach of treating everyone for everything no matter the cost-benefit ratio?

Recently, the Australian government brought in a disability insurance scheme that is now paid for via extra taxes. Originally when being proposed it was to support people who become disabled via accidents, but in its implementation it now covers people who are born disabled. Nobody debated if that should be allowed or the big question around it: If society is going to pick up the tab for disabilities, should it pick up the tab for people who give birth to a child that they know will be disabled? I say shit no.

Of course it's a universal right, anyone can pay for healthcare. Just like the US constitution protects the right to speech and guns, you can purchase guns and printing presses. A right can't exist that you must enslave others to get. Doctors and hospital staff can not be enslaved to provide you "rights".

>>131936982
if healthcare is a universal right then so should pussy be

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>>131936982
not until the fat asses die off

>>131944800
soon they will be the canadians kek

that and the chinks and toronto mudshits

canada is on the same path america is

>>131936982

No, it's a service. If you need surgery and a doctor refuses to give it to you he's not in violation of your rights.

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>>131938363
>No long island ice-tea.
I had 2 of those and couldn't believe that I couldn't really taste any alcohol. Finally I stood up to go to the bathroom and nope. My brain was functioning alright but my body wasn't.

>>131947944

>american has 2 shots worth of alcohol and is incapacitated

this war should be easy

>>131936982
If already is, you just have to for it,

>>131936982
Healthcare is not really that important. Most people don't need it for most of their lives, and you can live a full and normal life without ever getting it. Statistically speaking, the majority of medical expenses are incurred in the last year of life, when a person is already terminally ill. Get rid of healthcare, and people die a few months early. So what?

Education, housing, utilities, clothing, food, cell phone and internet access, etc. are all more important than healthcare, yet they aren't rights.

Healthcare in the US is a universal right and has been well before Obama was in office.

>>131948380
you severely underestimate how much healthcare we give to lard asses.

>>131936982
That's one hell of a butterface

>>131938051
same. I literally have to pull my gf's hips up from behind. I think she's insecure about the BRAPS. I embrace them.

>>131938051
Pick up her hips you derps

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>>131948072
I shoot bettor drunk

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>>131936982
We pay into S.S. why not pay into H.C.

>>131948526
What happened to lard asses is not material to the national interest.

And I'd be willing to bet they'd take better care of themselves if they knew they would be on the hook for their own insulin bills.

>>131939729
hurr fucking durr

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Universal Vaginal Access is a right.

>>131936982
You don't have a right for someone to give you healthcare. Your rights are given to you by nature, not by the state, the state's job is to limit your rights so that you can't defy the general will.

Oops, .gov spent all your SS money on other things, aka they paid their friends off and stole the money.

Oops, no surgeries for you, long waits, and bad doctors because .gov stole all your HC funds paying their friends and stealing the money.

>>131936982
You have the right to take care of yourself or not to. You do not have the right to force me to pay for your healthcare, especially if we're gonna keep going with the whole gay rights thing and continue pushing for the normalization of high risk lifestyles.

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>>131946243
It's horrible here because it's so heavily regulated or tightly controlled by a very small amount of entities. As soon as new services are brought forward by innovators the entrenched gobble them up and impose their controls.

Our system anything but free market. It's insanity.

You should look into the Surgery Center of Oklahoma if you want to see how an efficient center can work. But they cannot start offering emergency care because the hospital boards won't approve it.

>>131936982
Be productive. Pay for services. You know, LIKE EVERYTHING FUCKING ELSE.

>>131938036
Something cannot be a right if it requires force of another. It's simple.

>>131936982
No, someone's conscripted services can not be a right. What may seem like a good idea only serves to interfere in the natural free enterprise system and makes it harder for people to receive health services.

>>131936982
Yes, however a right is not something owed to you. Everyone has the opportunity to seek out health care, whether or not they can afford it is their problem ultimately.

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>>131936982
Don't know but both of your health systems sucks roaches have better than yours yeah in Canada is free but you wait months.