Abandon Capitalism and Embrace Communism

>>131932084
No.

>>131932084
So there will always be a little bit of money left over, a little bit of money paid by people directly to businesses which never returns to them directly, as either wages, dividends or rents. Or even transfer payments through government welfare. And, as such, human beings are dependent on consumer credit in order to, as a class, not run out of money.

And since human beings are the end purchasers and consumers of everything that's done, built or made in the economy (everything that's done, built or made in the economy is either in order to sell directly to human beings or to enable another business to sell something directly to humans or enable that business to enable another business to do so etc.), if human beings run out of money it's curtains for the economy.

Which is why the entire economy depends on bank loans (the only means capitalism allows for the money supply to grow). Be those bank loans to the state, to businesses or people. But what is explained above, regarding the imbalance of payments between businesses and people, is also why it's actually consumer credit which is the main engine of the economy.

Money supply growth is to capitalism / market economies what growth of entropy is to physical systems. But it's simply not sustainable. And in the future we'll either have a guaranteed basic income / citizen income or something completely different, which doesn't use money, such as a Resource Based Economy or Technocracy.

Of course, ignorant brainwashed muppets would never have realized the above without me spoonfeeding it to you all. It's doubtful whether you all can even comprehend what I've explained above.

Don't be one of those countless droids who drone on about 'Muh capitalism!' and how bad socialism and communism are. While advocating a single payer and/or non-profit healthcare, applauding the welfare state and generally advocating for it and other leftist objectives and accomplishments.

>>131932084
No.

>>131932133
Are you actually going to read a thing I wrote? Or are you a good little goy paying slavery to your kikemasters

>>131932205
Not an argument.

>>131932084

Tl;dr

Neck yourself commiefaggot.

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Trust me. Communism is NOT good

>>131933010
Then read it you uniformed swine.

>>131932084
>commie tries to into economics
cute

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>>131933132
Do we need to go over the basics?

>>131933432
Read what I said, faggot.

TL;DR

But don't worry, I did laugh.

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>>131932300
Gommunism is the banker's controlled opposition. Either you're dumb as fuck, or, you're a paid shill who happens to be 'occupying /pol/'
>THEY AREN'T SENDING THEIR BEST PEOPLE

>>131933552
You laughed because you're an ignorant swine and what I said was completely correct? Good goy, enjoy the rest of your life as a pellet for the Jewish pig.

>>131933495
What you said is a bunch of economically illiterate babble.

>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth)
Wrong faggot.

>>131933711
>everyone who disagrees with me is a shill
And confirmed to have no argument. Why not just dismantle the banks altogether? They are for the most part, against the will of the people being owned by the (((Rothschilds))) and all.

Besides, how about read above before you make such an autistic statement like you have here.

I sit around playing video games and doing nothing all day, sign me up for that free money

>>131933974
Dismantle central banks, yes.

>>131933972
But there WILL be money left over and money that will be paid BY PEOPLE directly to businesses and they are not paid in return. Which is of course consequent in forcing human beings into being dependent into credit as a class order to stay solvent. That's where you are in the wrong.

>>131932084
>>131932161

So what you're basically saying is that money flows in a circle but at a certain stage a small part of it is skimmed as profit, and as such it sits in a rich man's bank account and never goes back to the economy, so for it to do so you need a bank and loan system?

>>131934064
>using a product made by porky when your shekels aren't refunded after damages from ragequitting
o i am laffin

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>>131933974
Oh ok, so you've gone fully off the reservation and unironically buy this shit? I can accept you're not a shill, but that means you're far more ignorant than someone who's worldly and sly, you're naive and trusting.
FUCKIN ADORABLE DESU SENPAI
You want a smart daddy to play argues with you so you larp as a commie....please accept this it's the only generous appraisal i can make at the moment/

>>131934182
Your post makes semantically no sense. Stop straining your brain trying to understand economics, and do something more commensurate with your cognitive capabilities, like shouting slogans and throwing bricks.

Bump comrade, spread the truth.

>>131934280
So am I getting free money or not?

>>131932084
I agree comrade! Now come on to the helicopter, we need to make it in time for the next party meeting!

>>131932084
answer my comment please>>131934206

here we go with an ugly ass commie

>>131932300
This doesn't make sense.

>>131934206
Yes. It completely defeats the prospect of cash flow as a whole. Bank loans are inherently the tenor to the vehicle of capitalism. And if you read the upper parts of the second post, you will see that the discrepancy of money between people and businesses is evident in formulating the role of consumer credit being the current state of financial flow.

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How's Venezuela doing???

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>>131933462
>POL POT DINDU NUFFIN HE A GOOD BOY CIA MADE HIM KILL NEED MO MONEY FO DEM FIVE YEAR PLANS

>>131934623
N-Next time it'll work...

If Tito's Socialism failed,then how will Communism prosper?

pro tip: it won't and never will

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>>131932084
>>131932084
>Capitalism / market economy cannot function without a perpetually geometrically expanding money supply.
>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth) except from other businesses' and people's losses. Which is not sustainable. A static money supply is not sustainable.

This is retarded. If you understood anything about economics, you would know that this is exactly why there is a boom and bust cycle. If the money supply does not expand. Then prices won't rise. However the price tag isn't the be all end all of the equation. With a contracting money supply, things cost less and the purchasing power of each unit INCREASES.

P.S. you're fucking stupid.

>>131932084
>Without money supply growth there can be no profits (because profits mainly come from money supply growth) except from other businesses' and people's losses.
Of course there can you big fucking dumb faggot, by virtue of the fact that the currency would appreciate in value.

>>131934395
The commie is disallowed from understanding the pure human dynamics of value. It's because that's what happens when you build a religion on post-modernism. The marxian dialectic cycle stops the apoptosis of poorly formed economic ideas. Metaphorically...cancer.

>>131934395
Re-read every word I wrote then, people are stripped money from businesses who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations. Otherwise, you're just the typical, bland, indoctrinated fool simply regurgitating the talking points you were taught, with no critical thinking at all.

I'm glad to see rise of the communism on pol. Imperfect ideology as any other, but with a lot more good ideas than the rest.

piggy meme is just so much worse than le happy merchant

commies dont even give a fuck about bankers, theyre just angry at fascists and people they think theyre fascists

>>131934843
>Otherwise, you're just the typical, bland, indoctrinated fool simply regurgitating the talking points you were taught, with no critical thinking at all.
O I am laffin

>>131934902

It's a very old soviet meme from 1920

>>131934606
why cant you just divide the remaining liquid money further?

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>>131934863
>a lot more good ideas than the rest.
So good that people are converting trucks into makeshift boats to escape capitalist countries and make their way to cuba

Oh, wait...

>>131934825
You have no clue about anything. Just another dullard whose understanding is skin deep. You also don't ask any questions. Don't inquire. You just diligently and obediently swallow any codswallop you're fed.

Evidently, the long diatribe I wrote which you claim to have read flew right over your head.

Let me boil it down for you so you may hopefully understand. The future of the human race is eugenicist, socialist resource based economy or there isn't any future for humanity at all.

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>>131934476
He's hilariously trying to apply Marxs debunked surplus labor nonsense into the monetary system.

>>131934978

You know what happens when you divide an atom?

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>>131932084
>abandon ((((CAPITALISM))))) for (((((COMMUNISM)))))

Nope.

>>131935042
>The future of the human race is eugenicist, socialist resource based economy
Sounds like... fascism. Wrong flag m8?

>>131932084
If the money supply is static, you simply will have deflation. It's not because the money supply is static that there can be no profit. Money supply has nothing to do with this actually, you could have an economy run with one dollar, as long as this dollar is infinitely divisible in smaller denominations

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>Select all squares that match the label: Helicopter

Even captcha agrees you should get thrown, you retarded leaf.

>>131934843
>people are stripped money from businesses who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations
and businesses are stripped money from people who refuse to pay them back via necessary stipulations

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>>131932084
how about no?

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>>131934843
>THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SURPLUS VALUE TO PROVIDE GIBSMEDAT FOREVER SO CAPITALISM IS SHIT
This is what you actually said. After we properly apply occam's razor. Which commies never do, and thats why their books are SO FUCKING BORING OMG WTF LOL DAS KAPTIAL MORE LIKE DAS NYTOL AMIRITE

>>131935116
My theories, you fucking idiot? You're the idiot who thinks profit or money comes from nothing. Or doesn't even bother to ask himself where they come from.

Typical fucking idiot.

>>131935163
OP on suicide watch

>>131934966
explains the jew denial
you know who led commies in 1920

I'd rather have Socialism-lite Fascism than Communism.

>>131935121
why are you dividing an atom?

>>131935031
Which ideology doesn't have people on boats escaping from one of the countries in which that ideology is implemented?

>>131935042
>>131935042
>>131935042
>>131935244
>>131935244
>>131935244
>>131935244
SHIA IS THIS YOU? HOLY FUCK WE ALWAYS KNEW YOU WAS COMMIES, HOLY SHIT I CANT WAIT TO CHUCK YOU OUT OF A HELICOPTER WITH UR DIVIDED BUTTCHEEKS
OLD SCHOOL CAPITALISM BABAYYYY

>>131934623
They literally cannot afford to print the money needed to sustain their government spending>>131935042
>You have no clue about anything. Just another dullard whose understanding is skin deep. You also don't ask any questions. Don't inquire. You just diligently and obediently swallow any codswallop you're fed

This is classic leftist projection FYI anon.
I'm going to pull a commie line

Go read Mises faggot you can start with "Socialism"

>>131934780
Where did I say profits come from nothing? You blithering idiot, where does the money for profits come from?
The money for profits comes from two sources :

1. Newly created money / recently created new money.
2. Other people or businesses' losses.

Man, you're thick as pig shit.

>>131932084
>It wasn't real communism
Kill yourself, OP

>>131932084
So as automation gobbles up most low wage labor, we are left with what?? A few producers and a horde of consumers?

Capitalism and Communism are both done for. We need an alternative economic system not based on industrial era economics.

What does the person without ability do? Or do we just create bullshit jobs? Is the person with the ability forced to provide for those with need. What is the political mechanism to ensure that the system works? I call that slavery.

>>131935125
if he did not believe in surplus "theft" he is not a third position but a capitailist

>>131935483
HEY NIGGER why are you ignoring the posts which disprove you? Scared much?

>>131933711
Anarcho capitalism is for mentally ill people, you're either very dumb or a shill

>>131933552
>being capitalist
HAHAHA I laugh at you freaks

>>131934064
>free money
You'd love capitalism

>>131933972
He's right, you're economically illiterate.

>>131935600
No, profits come from money creation or someone else's losses. As simple as that. You've been explained this earlier, and it is the only correct position.

>>131935600
This.

>>131935279
>You're the idiot who thinks profit or money comes from nothing
I don't you're just making an absolutely absurd assertion based in the same fallacious ignorance Marx had in regards to labor.

>>131935634
Says the commie nigger.

That belgian dude said it the best, read his post, you might learn something.

>>131935483
where are you deriving your morality from

>>131935533
Minarchy, stop buying dumb shit and start farming. Work and weapons keep the commies away. Remember, the difference between a corrupt pedo banker and a commie is the commie smells bad.

>>131932084
Your theory is sound but the answer isn't communism, the answer is to end fractional reserve banking.

Wtf I hate food now

>>131934623
>>131934763
Venezeula is doing bad thanks to capitalism

>not one person in this thread even tried to refute what OP said


Sad!

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>>131932084
What a great fucking idea. I will just let the government make choices for me and decide every moral! It makes everything so much easier, thank you OP! How about we all just kill ourselves so others can have resources and not be in need!

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>>131932084

Fuck you

"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property(Capitalism) - Communist Manifesto


"Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists. " - Communist Manifesto

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Here have some free memes:

http://riggedit.com/2017/06/27/communism-memes/

>>131935722
Let me reiterate myself, fucking idiot.

Profits are money, you idiot. You can't wish or conjure it into existence unless you're a bank. Profits come from :

1. Money creation (by banks, through interest bearing loans).
2. Some other person or business's losses.

Man you're dumb. Incredible. Absolutely incredible. In a static money supply, for you to register a profit, someone else HAS to register a loss. You fucking idiot.

>>131935654
>No, profits come from money creation or someone else's losses. As simple as that.
But that's wrong you piece of shit nigger faggot.

See this is the reason why, despite being rather socially liberal, whenever I talk to a commie I have a homicidal urge to torture him to death. You are worse than talking to a brick wall, you're like talking to a smug brick wall who tries to harm you. I really wish all commies would be sent to gas chambers and turned into fertilizer. They'd be useful for once.

>>131935788
I'm with you fellow ANCAP.

Liberty over "community"

>>131935722
The Belgian doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Deflation will aboluetley destroy an economy as it halts investment and spending.

>>131935810
how is a state enforced price control "capitalism"
the intent was "accesibility"
which they got until it ran out

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>>131932084
embrace my 12 gauge. I'm done talking with you fucking liars.

>>131935910
The answer is to end fractional reserve banking that the Jews have forced upon us goyim.

>>131935910
>Let me reiterate myself, fucking idiot.
I don't care about your commie babble. You got BTFO here: >>131935163

Now go on an ignore this post as you commies always do when you encounter evidence which BTFOs your shitty ideology.

>>131935792
That's bad though

>>131935788
The only difference between a corrupt pedo and an ancap is that ancaps smell bad

>capitalism isn't sustainable because money will eventually run out

How the fuck do you retards remember to breathe

>>131935835
I don't refute a bee either when it stings me. Just smash 'em :^)

>>131935915
You're clearly an idiot who does not understand that for you to register a profit one or both of the following need to have happened :

1. Someone or a company took out a bank loan, which means new money was created. Them spending the loan injects that new money into the economy and allows for profit to exist.

2. Someone or a company registered losses.

You're clearly mentally challenged if you think you can just have profits without the money for those profits having to come from somewhere, that somewhere being either new money creation or someone else's losses.

This is, seriously, kindergarten level stuff, to realize that you can't have something for nothing (i. e. profits without either losses or new money creation).

You not being able to realize such a simple fact indicates you're dumb as pig shit.

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>2017
>Still believing in communism

>>131935944
The question wasn't whether deflation is bad, the question was whether you can't make profits with a fixed money supply.

>>131935910
Bro, you're really sensitive about people not understanding you. Is that maybe because you're thinking through a thick layer of post-modern kikery?
What drives the demand for money, and why would a money supply ever be static? Also, do you factor in other stores of value which aren't money? It's expected that we've 'read marx' in order to grasp these things, but marx is garbage, sweetie, and we're a bit more sophisticated than that. Can you clear those bits up?

>>131935654
The simple fact that you think money is anything but a representation of value shows you know don't even know what money is to even begin to formulate your absurd theory which is rightfully being ridiculed.

Protip free market capitalist are some of the most vocal against the fiat currency scam and actually make coherent informed arguments against it
> No, profits come from money creation
The creation of currency means nothing if value hasn't been created.
See Zimbabwe or Venezuela.
It's truly astonishing how arrogant you are when you think simply printing money is creating profits.

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>>131935910
nope.
In exchange for securing the blockchain from theiving expropriating commies like you, miners are paid the reward for that block as per the protocol
no banks here mami~

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>>131935483
>Where did I say profits come from nothing? You blithering idiot, where does the money for profits come from?
>The money for profits comes from two sources :

Cool red herring, asshat. Did I say that profits came from nothing?

The money for profits comes from what is left after the goods are sold and the bills are paid. It's not a tough concept, but it is for a faggot like yourself.

>1. Newly created money / recently created new money.

Again, this is just a boom and bust cycle. It looks like people are profiting, but the new money is distorting investments and allocating resources where they don't belong. This is why you shouldn't have central banks, so not only what you're describing now is fundamentally different from what a free market is (as opposed to "capitalism"), but the fact that you think they're the same thing demonstrates you're idiocy. NOT ONLY THAT, but your faggot "economist" is a supporter of the very thing you're criticizing.

>2. Other people or businesses' losses.

Clearly mutually beneficial exchange eludes you. Study some economics, dipshit.

>Man, you're thick as pig shit.

It would seem that way to an enormous faggot like yourself. Pic related.

>>131932133
fpbp

>>131936045
He's right, you're obivously mentally ill so i advice you to stay off this thread.

>>131936050
:) fascists should be jailed

>>131936038
fractional reserve banking is why we're in the crisis we're in at the moment anon, you need to embrace the Austrian school of economics.

>>131936137
>Pic related: first time they saw a sandwich.

>>131934766
reeeeeeeeeeee fucking ignored

>>131936038
Now this is pure Lenin, right here. I believe that's the only way to survive in gommunism without getting gulag'd. "he who smelt it dealt it"
AND THATS HOW YOU GET A CHERNOBYL, FOLKS.

>>131936087
You can't because with deflation there is no more spending or investment. So everyones money will be frozen under their beds.

>>131935923
you need liberty first to have a community
without the liberty to disassociate from others someone could force others into your community!

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>>131932084
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

>>131936076
Lol, still reiterating your debunked points. How about you go kill yourself, you're a net detriment to the global average IQ.

>>131936122
Lewl, you claimed I was a "paid shill" and you call me delusional... Try re-reading the part where profits require a registered loss. Now realize that it is either you or someone else who reaps off one another. Please tell me how this is remotely ethical?

>>131934606
Why don't we try smaller more local government, before switching gears to your insane ideology? You're not smart, you're working off the shoulders of some vague bullshit. Come up with something better, you're putting us to sleep

>>131936146
Anarcho capitalism doesn't fucking work. If you don't print money than deflation will occur, look at Venezeula, Somalia, Zimbebwe, or detriot.

>>131932084
Communism / planned economy cannot function without a perpetually geometrically expanding resource supply

>>131936205
>:) fascists should be jailed
Commies should be burned alive :) :) :)

>>131935944
and then what? you realize you are describing a recession, which we continue to have despite all this inflation

>>131936180

*your

because I'm sure you're a grammar nazi faggot, too

>>131936333
Right after you and that AnCap dullard over there seek help for crass idiocy.

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>>131936349
>Venezeula

AHAHAHAHAH

>>131936038
The only difference between a corrupt pedo and a commie is that commies arent original

>>131936222
Austrian school of economics is fallacious. It does nothing to prevent booms and busts and without regulations the economy goes retarded. Also with deflation investment halts along with consumer spending.

>>131936023
>909ers and now Antifa is getting their shit wrecked at HB
Glorious.

>>131934766
If Titos communism worked why are you against it?

>>131936317
yet still can be measured as a commodity
disproven

>>131936311
Good! No one likes being excluded.

>>131935163
>no response from OP
Commies lose again.

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>>131932084
communism is for niggers and kikes

>>131936180
>The money for profits comes from what is left after the goods are sold and the bills are paid. It's not a tough concept, but it is for a faggot like yourself.
The day commies understand that business owners are
1servants of the consumer
And
2 you as the business owner always gets paid last
Is they day they stop being Commies
>faggot "economist" is a supporter of the very thing you're criticizing.
This irony of Marx being in favor of centralized banks will be willingly lost on him anon

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>>131935910
Hahaha feeling triggered faggot?

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>>131936537
>and without regulations the economy goes retarded
PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA

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>>131932084

Anyone seen the movie : The End of Kikery?

1 - Banks are turned into SAFES run by government, their employees are mere policers paid by TAXES and they cannot do business or profit from customers, there is no customers

2 - No interest rate, nothing charged, nothing earned

3 - Money should be Gold, Silver, and real, not printed notes

4 - No employee is alllowed to touch what is in the safes, taxes are paid from citizen pockets

5 - If there is 5 gold piece and 10 silver, you must find back that in the same nature, not 50 silver pieces instead

6 - One's money should never be mixed with his neighboors, when one asks for his money it is here untouched in number, nature, and immediatly available

7 - OWNED ALL JEWS STRAIGHT TO HELL since there no science no beauty, no logic, no success in any jewish hand

>>131935915
> LGBT

>>131936541
i fucking them up this weekend at gettysburg.

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>>131936662

Not when we have liquidated the entire capitalist class

>>131936537

Bohm-Bawerk assblassed your sorry economists. The only recourse they had was to attack the epistemological foundations of economic science with non-sequitur post-modern garbage. That shit has been debunked, but you wouldn't know that because you treat communism like a religion.

>>131936665
too bad? consent of adults trumps all and if a group of adults does not comsent to you being there, bye bye

>>131936373
Fascists should be put in mental wards :D

>>131936405
That just shows the sucess of Keynesianism, despite the recession we have jobs being thrown at us, prices are stable, the economy is doing great, and overall it's working.

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>Communism is great guys! Trust me, The Soviet Union, North Korea, Mao's China, Cuba and Venezuela weren't true communists.

>>131936366
> What is renewable energy

>>131932084
in every thread there may be :

-jewery illegal
-usury illegal

is that good?

>>131936528
only difference between an ancap and a corrupt pedo is that ancaps are economically illiterate.

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Fags

>>131936146
Money doesn't really exist, it is a value representation. For example, I am a mental health provider. My service is not tangible. Fiat money is only a way to create a standardized value reference. A cow in the US has less value than in Saudi Arabia. Fiat money allows commerce between large distance.

In your nightmare Utopia, money could not exist because the value system is the community and not the individual or what they do or produce.

>>131932084
automation will eventually kill capitalism, as more and more people will be useless in an automated capitalism, they won't have the money to feed the corporates which use it to expand, the rich will survive for sometime, but eventually the world will fall apart

>>131936830
defensive capability has only increased over time
trillions were wasted on goat farmers. how much effort to "liquidate the capitalist class"?
not enoughh in this world

>>131936886
HAHAHA Well sorry my economic theory was debunked by some nut-job economist. Meanwhile the economy experienced booms and busts under Austrianism

>>131936830

No such thing. Grew up poor, worked my way up to wealth. You are just a loser.

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>>131937023

Just like Karl Marx said, capitalists are their own gravediggers.

>>131936903
>That just shows the sucess of Keynesianism, despite the recession we have jobs being thrown at us, prices are stable, the economy is doing great, and overall it's working.
how many on food stamps in 2008?
how many now?

>>131936732
Ummmm Somalia?

>>131936537
I used to have a link some years ago which had a very simple explanation of the benefits of an economic system that was based on Austrian theory. However as you've stated OP our current system is based on the creation of money out of thin air via the fractional reserve banking system, get rid of it and the money supply will reflect the true value of "money" via supply and demand.

>>131936968
only difference between a commie and a corrupt pedo is that commies are economically illiterate.

>>131937112

I don't believe in a competitive world but a cooperative world.

>>131937101
>Meanwhile the economy experienced booms and busts under Austrianism

Prove it.

>>131937101
that just proves austrians correct

>>131936615
> Yugoslavia
> ever communist

that's where you're wrong,kiddo.
It had a special form of Socialism,also known as Titoism.
It gained gibs from both sides,yet only Tito was able to keep it stable.It was obvious after his death,it would fall apart so easily.

So if even the best form of Socialism that ever existed and was practized has fallen,how will commies and others compete?

>>131936205
Who decides what a fascist is?
That is a value judgement of behavior...therefore based on opinion.

They state using an opinion to place a human in a cage and removed from society because they don't like the behavior....communism is awesome!!

>>131936366
> What also are renewable resources
> What is the fucking universe

There is such a vast amount of resources in the entire universe that humans will not exist by the time you even made made an ultra mega microscopical spec of infinite tininess dent on the amount of resources in the universe, in fact, you can say the it's unexplicable, null.

>>131932084
A tomar por culo mugremita apestoso.

>>131937179
they were doing better before?

>>131936317
Idiot, in your system the community is the commodity

>>131936076
No you are fundamentally wrong here. Without the expansion of money supply wealth/profits grow through increased value of a single monetary unit such as a dollar.

This concept has played out in the former economy of early united states, without a constant rate of inflation prices fell, it is simply deflation.

your view of the economy is a zero sum game, money is only the vehicle for value, it itself is not the inherent value.

>>131937147
2008 Didn't really have much of an impact on our lives unless we were investors. In the Great Depression you lost your house, now a days a recession means your interest rate is lower.

>>131937240
Wrong. With a stable money supply there will be constant BOOMS and BUSTS. Austrian theory will eventually cause deflation

>>131937445
Are you really saying that no one lost their house in the 2008 crisis? top laff

>>131937112
No actually. I have a trust fund, my dad is a lawyer. You're just a loser who doesn't want to admit he's a victim

>>131937438
Stop using logic, you might trigger the commie.

>>131937524
Yeah some people did but it wasn't nearly as bad as before.

>>131937525
>I have a trust fund,
Surprise surprise! A trust fund babby loser latches on to a failed ideology to give meaning to his miserable life!

>>131937525
WOW!!

>>131937330
Ummmm, have you checked out the United States in 1950? Fastest growing stable economy? Socialist, highest standard of life in the world? Do you even history?

Lefty/pol/ can't meme, can't win but it sure can whine.

>>131937119
>daddy buttfucked me and now I'm a commie rebel!
What a dumb fuck you are.

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>>131936537
>It does nothing to prevent booms and busts and without regulations the economy goes retarded
This is an absurd point.
The worst boom and bust have been caused by attempts to end it with centralized banking and regulations and Austrians especially in regards to 08 we're spot on in calling it out because of Austrian business cycle theory

>>131937339
we DO have scarcity here in the real world, dum-dum

>>131937591
You're the fucking loser, communism isn't failed it's the future. You have a miserable life

>>131937635
WOW YOUR SOOOO COOL DUDE

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>>131937525
>>No actually. I have a trust fund, my dad is a lawyer.

>Trust fund champagne socialist sperging commie shit on 4chan.

The faggot has never worked a day in his life! HAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

>>131937653
>1950s USA
>socialist

>>131937555
The great depression was also a central bank induced boom so I don't understand your point.

Artificial credit expansion causes bubbles.

>>131937269
You have the privilege to say that merely because your an apex predator. Maybe if A.I. Takes the top of the pecking order you'll realize we're all living in a competitive world, and breathing competitive air full of bacteria trying to kill you. The world is not your oyster to virtue signal. You will die never seeing your ideology take off.

The world is beginning to finally laugh at your antics, that is the pecking order you fear closing in on you.

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>>131936750
That sounds beautiful anon, like a dream.

>>131937670
You aussies keep whining

>>131937685
awww ur daddy mad

>>131937716
Then why were booms and busts happening before the creation of the FED? Booms and busts were happening and bank panics in the 1800s.

>>131937729
>You're the fucking loser, communism isn't failed it's the future

>It will totally work this time guise, I swear! The ramblings of an unemployed kike loser who lived 150 years ago are the truth!

>>131937006
>Fiat money allows commerce between large distance.
Commence between large distances has existed long before the idea of fiat currency anon.

>>131937753
I'm a lifeguard actually. I work my ass off since i have flatfeet and they make me stand 15 minutes at a time barefeet.

>>131937166
/thread

>>131937943
>I work my ass off

You work because you want to, not because you have to. kys.

>>131937763
>food subsidies
>welfare state
>91% marginal income tax
>Social security
>State owned stocks in oil production
>literally gov owned means of production

>>131937768
I know the FED was retarded for the first 40 years but without a central bank there are still busts. Look at the bank panics in the 1800s

>>131937445
What is wrong with booms and busts??? They're the product of supply and demand. If capital is over-invested into a particular sector and it becomes unprofitable due to diminishing returns caused by competition, then the result is a correction and the long-run supply and demand curve returns to equilibrium. This is opposed to what we have now, where the never ending creation of money leads to the working and middle class having their saving's stolen by inflation.

>>131937943
>LIFE-GUARD
>Commie

Pick one faggot

>>131937840
>Then why were booms and busts happening before the creation of the FED
Again I'm pulling the commie line.
Go actually read Austrian business cycle theory you ignorant fuckwit.

Btw none of those were nothing compared to the boom and bust under centralized banking and are even more frequent under it.

>>131937943

Here, you want to be a member of the working class? You want to do something for the working class? Well, my ass is constantly broke despite going to school and work my entire life. Transfer your trust fund to me, then you can be in the working class while I do something useful with the money you're wasting.

>>131937525
Let's cooperate as good commies should.
Give me a large portion of your trust fund.
Also, I want room and board.

>>131937812
>>131937831
When you read these comments with a Marxist perspective you understand so much more.

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>>131937943
Oh wow poor baby you have to stand up for 15 minutes at a time.
You're right, you really do work your ass off, that must be so hard.

>>131937840

>Then why were booms and busts happening before the creation of the FED? Booms and busts were happening and bank panics in the 1800s.

Fractional reserve lending is a bad practice admittedly, many banks before the fed were failing due to this, but the affects were not nearly as disastrous as we have today with central bank crisis, now the entire economy hinges on the banks ability to be stable.

instead of letting the free market let banks fail who were practicing fractional reserve lending they instead conspired to force the entire country to adopt the practice as the Fed,


if you actually look into who created the system we have now, it is the so called robber barons that ran the banking industry of the 1800s.

>>131932300
No.

>>131938233
THIS

>>131937943
>I'm a working class man!
>I'm a life guard at malibu, where I live in daddy's mansion, because I dropped out of community college because my brain couldn't keep up!

>>131938058
>I know the FED was retarded for the first 40 years but without a central bank there are still busts. Look at the bank panics in the 1800s

>>131938233

>>131937943
Wow a whole 15 minutes

>>131938058
>91% marginal income tax
name a single person that paid that
1950s america was white hypercapitalism. the civil rights act and section 8 is a lot more destructive than people realize

>>131937943
>I work my ass off
>they make me stand 15 minutes at a time

>>131937023
So lets hurl some bricks miles across country for when we need to cross a bridge in 70 years? We can figure that out when it happens. anything else is wasted productivity. The current infrastructure will collapse from disrepair long before we have robot butlers to replace people.

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>>131936180
>Clearly mutually beneficial exchange
.

>>131938037
Actually my dad makes me work

>>131938082
>What is wrong with booms and busts??? They're the product of supply and demand
Because inefficiency is going on during the busts. Labour is being wasted via unemployment and factories aren't producing despite being capable of it

>If capital is over-invested into a particular sector and it becomes unprofitable due to diminishing returns caused by competition, then the result is a correction and the long-run supply and demand curve returns to equilibrium. This is opposed to what we have now, where the never ending creation of money leads to the working and middle class having their saving's stolen by inflation.
Thing is, there will never be an equilibrium. The economy will always have booms and busts via austrianism. Our system isn't perfect but having an economic stimulas during recessions softens the bust.

>>131938130
Dude you're retarded. Todays recessions aren't even bad, they are just lower profits than we would expect. In the 1800s a recession meant a bank run aka you lose all your savings.

>>131938115
Lifeguard is a very communist job, you have to keep the proletariet who swim safe.

>>131938178
I am part of the working class myself, so why should i help an ANCAP who has no respect for the working class?

>>131932084
>the tophat
lol 1984

Fuck off I'm not a materialist. There's a 3rd position

>>131938207
And what will you offer in this exchange?

>>131938209
I think you're confusing knowledge with delusions.

>>131932084
I'm not for full Communism but downward wealth redistribution because neoliberal globalization has caused shitskin countries to nearly catch up with white countries while white countries keep declining and have ever growing wealth gaps. This is why we need to end globalization and redistribute the wealth in this country to put ourselves ahead of the poo in loos and the vagina eyes again. It's called Convergence and it needs to be curtailed as to maintain white dominance over other countries while fighting off immigration.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_(economics)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2016/09/17/africa-missed-modern-globalization-and-that-was-a-good-thing/#639eb379323f

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>>131933462
You tell 'em comrade!
Kulaks deserved worse!

>>131938586
Why not archive?

>https://forbes com/sites/panosmourdoukoutas/2016/09/17/africa-missed-modern-globalization-and-that-was-a-good-thing/#639eb379323f
https://archive.is/V8Rc3

>>131933760
>commie is unaware his entire retarded """economic""" system was designed by Jews. Communism strips away the property rights of workers and sends all profit to the state. Central planning doesn't work and Communism was nothing more than a cash grab by kikes. They took advantage of peoples retarded childlike idealism and robbed them for every shekel they had while millions of worthless goys starved to death. National Socialism actually functioned to empower the nation and the people that lived within it, instead of sending all power to the state and military.

>>131938226
This

>>131938468
>Lifeguard is a very communist job, you have to keep the proletariet who swim safe.
It's because of life guards like you that 200 million people drowned.

>>131938468
>my dad makes me work

Holy shit, you'd be fun to play in Poker lmao.

>>131934902

they seem overly goncerned with immigration and hating white people. Not that it would ever work but they just make it even worse for themselves

>>131934966

happy merchant is better. I always forget the piggy even exists until I see it the next time.

>>131937525
this has to be bait

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>>131938209
no, you want to give the shitheads that are fucking us over, absolute power is what you want. Who the fuck do you think is gonna run these totalitarian, technocrat, Stalin states? Jesus christ himself? you can't fix your level of stupid.

>>131932084
What's up with all the Chinese fags on here?

>>131938233
So your saying the busts in the 1800s were nothing compared to the recessions of today

>>131938323
How is that not working class

>work my ass off keeping fellow proletariets safe
>live in my dads house
>going to college because im not bougaise enough to get into Ivy League

>>131936980
This is literally the only accurate image I have ever seen on /pol/

It's easy to argue that capitalism has problems, because it does. But communism has been proven to be worse in almost every aspect.

Communism is particularly attractive to people who put feelings before rationality.

So no, i'm not gonna fall for this retarded ideia

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>>131938468
>Actually my dad makes me work

OH GOD!! JUST TAKE THE LOSS AND FUCKING STAHP BEFORE YOU DIG THE HOLE ANY BIGGER!!!

You're fucking daddy makes you work. No, you don't do it on your own, you have your fucking dah dah tell you what to do. You're so fucking lazy that he forces you to go and get a job instead of being a fucking loser parasite. And you have the fucking gall to sit here and lecture ME about the working class?? HAHAHAHHAHAHA YOU"RE A FUCKING PATHETIC SCUMBAG THAT DESERVES FUCKING GAS!!!

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>it's another communist conflates usury with capitalism episode

Winter is coming. How does a centrally planned economy determine everyone's coats sizes? What if I want a blue coat instead of a black coat? What if my coat is damaged and I need another one?

Markets are just much better at addressing the needs of the people than the state is.

>>131938809
by far seeing as if (when) we have a currency collapse today millions of people will die

>>131938354
Your feet get pretty tired

>>131938427
When you have a disability it's hard to stand for that long ok. You get bored and when your bored you feel tired and aching more

>>131938418
Elvis payed 90%

The flag system was a mistake

>>131932084
European genocide is real and more important than any economic system

>>131938468
>Todays recessions aren't even bad
Stop being delusional today's recessions are of a global scale nowhere near the localized bank runs of old which is exactly the point.
https://mises.org/library/austrians-can-explain-boom-and-bust

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>>131938529
Everytime I see some delusional communist cuckold use Marx's class theory, as if it has any relevance to reality, I unironically cringe.

>>131938765
Piggy and merchant are essentially the same. Piggy was antisemitic in nature

Profit and money are independent. A barter economy is guided by profit but money is not involved. Examine your concepts more closely.

>>131938580
It's not right or wrong. It's both and it's neither, it's a perspective or via a lens of Marxism.

>>131938591
Occupy democrats is capitalist

>>131938679
What?

>>131938695
Why?

>>131938770
You have to be a troll

>>131938793
The people run it dumbass, and your the one advocating for totalitarianism since you want to kill people for thinking certain thoughts

>>131932300
Are you going to get to the part where you explain why communism is in any way better or are you just going to sit here and shill like a fucking idiot?

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>>131937943
15 MINUTES

>>131938809
Because it's a cushy job by the beach. And people who are working class don't openly brag about it. You're just a wolf among sheep, looking for proletariat points.

ECONOMIC CALCULATION PROBLEM

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>>131938895
>Your feet get pretty tired

I"M A HUGE TRUST FUND FAGGOT WITH A DADDY LAWYER THAT MAKES ME GET A JOB AS A LIFEGUARD SO THAT I CAN SIT ON THE BEACH ALL DAY!!! MUH FUCKING FEET, THO! SINCE MY FUCKING FEET HURT, WE SHOULD GIVE THE FUCKING STATE THE MEANS OF ALL PRODUCTION AND PLUNGE EVERYONE INTO MASS STARVATION AND ENDLESS WAR!!!!! MMMMMMYYYYYYYYYY FEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTT!!!!!

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>>131935910
I-IDIOT!!!!!

IDIOT!!!!

ANYONE WHO SAYS GOMMUNISM DOESN'T WORK IS DUMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>131938825
Capitalism is for those who put feelings before logic. That's why Marxists have high-IQs

>>131938830
Why are you mocking me for that? It's not my fault i was born to this shitty family that makes me work my ass off for no reason other than to satisfy some "work ethnic" bullshit.

>>131938876
That's true! But have a system of state corporations. So corporations can do what they do just like normal but all profits go back to the state.

>>131939078
>the people run it
the people run america tho

>>131932133
Prepare to get executed via firing squad by the People's Police of Democracy, Tolerance, and Equality, dissident.

>>131939288
>Capitalism is for those who put feelings before logic. That's why Marxists have high-IQs
this is bait

>>131938923
So the busts of back in the 1800s weren't even that bad?

>>131938996
>gay flag
>larping as Nazi
cringe

>>131934902
You don't care about anything except Jews since you're antisemitic

>>131939030

Im skeptical piggy was implying Jews. Seems like the kosher version to me

>>131939282
kek

>>131939288
>Capitalism is for those who put feelings before logic.

It's literally the exact opposite you dumb fucking shill.

>>131939421
I wish I had the pic but it's true, it was an ad about Jews lol. Merchant is funnier tho

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>>131932084
^it disregards a growing population^

^it sounds like Bernie sanders at a gay bar seeking cock^

>>131939078
and you don't? fuck yourself, you hide behind lies, to push evil doctrines in which the REAL people follow all your rules and the "they're just regular people like you and me, they're infallible" don't. god damn neck yourself.

>>131932084
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_DaMKUP3Og

This video might depress some of you because of American greatness decline but its still true.

>>131939242

COMPUTERS

>>131938468
Yes, it does cause unemployment and the adoption of Keynseyian economic theory was the result of this. However, the current fractional reserve banking system has led to a situation where capital is invested in "financial engineering" enterprises that produce nothing and also there is so much capital that has been mis-allocated in these enterprises that western govt's are too afraid to let them fail because the whole financial system would collapse, this my communist friend is a result of over 100 years of un-checked fractional
reserve banking.

>>131939525
Capitalism feels good since it's what everyone else believes. It also makes you feel like your bourgaise beliving in capitalism. However the hard truth is that communism is true

>>131939078
>Why?

You'd be fun to play in any card game because you show your cards. I have reason to believe though you're probably just some Stormweenie making the opposition look stupid.

>>131939288
>Why are you mocking me for that? It's not my fault i was born to this shitty family that makes me work my ass off for no reason other than to satisfy some "work ethnic" bullshit.

Either you're LARPing big fucking time, or you're just the most pathetic human being I've ever seen. You don't know what it means to EARN your money, so you haven't a fucking clue about the plight of the working class!

So, of course I'm going to laugh at you. Your so-called job is cake and yet you bitch and moan about having to sit on your ass all day and stand at 15 minutes at a time. My entire life has been an endless stream of fast food and manual labor to put me through university. Unlike you, I don't have a fucking trust fund to fall back on. I have to keep my head above water. You haven't a clue what that is like.

>>131939679
Holy fucking shit, are you this retarted? You have no idea what the argument is about, you moron

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>>131939725
it sux a man in the alley freely...because that anon man owes him a suc

^beta till death^

>>131939612
The video is bullshit though.

>to the 17 year old it is the pawn shop on the corner
>has them dancing
Degenerate as fuck

But other than that it's stupid since it literally defends the capitalist who gets his factory taken and it says "see the guy who invented the car did it by borrowed money from his family!" not realzing he had to have a rich family.

Also

>right to a public trial
>shows like 5 guys whistling at a girl
DEGENERATE AS FUCK

>>131939805
hes a troll

>>131939920

Obviously not. If anything the answer was the exact opposite of computers, but they're commies, so I expect that.

>>131939689
Well fractional reserve banking is garbage but how would an austrian say the economy would work during recessions?

>>131939779
I think you're a troll making capitalists look stupid.

>>131939976
>pawn shop
confirmed for being deaf dumb and blind communist.

>>131939920

http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/calculation_debate.pdf

>>131940009
Your a troll, one more comment and your being banned

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>>131938468
>Because inefficiency is going on during the busts. Labour is being wasted via unemployment and factories aren't producing despite being capable of it
Holy shit, a commie talking about inefficiency.
That's fuckin' rich anon.

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>>131935910
Profits come from wealth creation you dunce. If I plant a bunch of crops I have just created material wealth through my hard work and expertise. I can now exchange this surplus of personal wealth for currency which I can then use to acquire material wealth from others. Currency is a means of exchange, all wealth is created through the labor of individuals. All profits are made by individuals exchanging goods and services for currency.

Communists literally can not understand the concept of personal property and individual responsibility. Communism is incompatible with reality.

>>131940121
Communism banning people to gulag typical.

>>131939920

http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/~greg/publications/ccm.IJUC07.pdf

>>131939805
I am working class though. No one in my family besides my grandfather ever owned any means of production. My grandfather owns a corporation but won't let my dad or me have any of his money until he dies. So technically I am working class since we work but don't own the means of production. I don't want to work, and i don't think you should have to work either, only because capitalists want to be rich do you have to work.

>>131940084
>Well fractional reserve banking is garbage

Holy shit, no central banking for the commie? Watch out, you're going against marxist doctrine here!

>but how would an austrian say the economy would work during recessions?

You have to consider that recessions are the bust in the boom and bust cycle. Get rid of fractional reserve banking, and interest rates will be accurate and give people the price they need to determine whether or not to take loans, etc. Leave the economy alone: stop manipulating it, that way the economy reaches equilibrium.

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>>131940179
>it sux a man in the alley freely...because that anon man owes him a suc

^beta till death^

>>131939408
>So the busts of back in the 1800s weren't even that bad
Have you ever actually looked it up?
FFS Thomas diLorenzo debunked much of the crap around antitrust laws by simply looking shit up from the time instead of taking the historical narrative at it's word and simply showing that much of the justification for such things were utter fear mongering by government and those in it and around it that wanted to use such fear mongering to exert political entrepreneurship as opposed to market entrepreneurship

>>131939976
he invented it and then got people to invest in his idea you literally can't even understand what's happening in the video because you smoked so much pot

>>131937119
quoted from Karl Marx "We belong in the oven tho"

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>>131940401
it sux a man in the alley freely...because that anon man owes him a suc

^beta till death^

>>131940162
Communism has 100% of resources used for their purpose rather than wasting 1/3 of food since it can't be sold

>>131940179
Holy shit you're stupid. You won't be able to create money since that's counterfieting. You literally can't understand collectivism.

>>131940269
You can own the means of production its called investing you retard

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>>131940512
it sux a man in the alley freely...because that anon man owes him a suc

^beta till death^

>>131940512
>Communism has 100% of resources used for their purpose
fake news

>>131940358
>Holy shit, no central banking for the commie? Watch out, you're going against marxist doctrine here!
No im 100% for Central banks. I love the Federal Reserve when it's run properly. I'm against commerical fractional reserve banking

>You have to consider that recessions are the bust in the boom and bust cycle. Get rid of fractional reserve banking, and interest rates will be accurate and give people the price they need to determine whether or not to take loans, etc. Leave the economy alone: stop manipulating it, that way the economy reaches equilibrium.
So how do you ban fractional reserve banking, all it is is loaning out money, having the borrowers spend it and have that person put the money back in the bank. It's just something that happens.

>>131940084
recession's are the result of the mis-allocation of capital. The money supply shrinks and consumer prices return to an equilibrium and capital is allocated to sectors where there is demand for goods and services, a centrally planned economy has been proven that it cannot allocate capital efficiently and also it destroy's the generation of wealth which leads to economic prosperity.

>>131940401
So were these bank panics and busts a myth or exagerated or something?

>>131940745
Your mind is full of fuck you literally smoked so much pot you cant even think straight anymore.

>>131939679
Wow, I honestly wasn't expecting such a delightful retarded argument, thank you for proving our point, you ignorant "marxist"

>>131935654
What the fuck is "money creation"? If you're not talking about the creation of a currency then you're fucking retarded. We don't create money. Not even printing money creates money, because all it does is make the rest of it collectively less valuable. We have whatever we have on planet Earth, whatever media we create, and whatever actions people will pay for. Wealth is circulated, not created. If you invent a product, you're not creating money. If you mine gold, you're not creating money. It's a relative system - to pay for your invention or discovery money is either reallocated from others or the resource you've found drops in value to account for the increased supply.

Money will persistently change in value to account for whatever happens. To avoid subscribing to insane theories, educate yourself on currency and economics. Or else you end up wondering yourself bullshit from people who came up with bad philosophy as a result of their monumental misunderstanding of how human interactions and economics work.

>>131940441
He got his family to give him money. My family will never give me money other than the trust fund which i can't even use right-now since im locked out until im older. But someone like me can't just get money for an investment

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>>131940827
HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND INVESTING HE IS A FUCKING POT SMOKING SHELTERED HIPPIE WHO THINKS HE'S PART OF THE WORKING CLASS.

>>131940565
Yeah buying up 0.00001% of a company is sufficient when the rich capitalists only 90%

>>131939725
> truth is that communism is true

This person actually believes this shit, I suspected they were trolling but every post proves they're not. Again, why is it communist never talk about how communism is better, it's just constant disinformation against capitalism.

>>131940269
>I don't want to work, and i don't think you should have to work either, only because capitalists want to be rich do you have to work.


Nobody wants to work. It's just that retarded economics isn't going to get us to that point. Understanding economics helps so that you don't have to work as much. That's why you learn about it.

>I am working class though. No one in my family besides my grandfather ever owned any means of production. My grandfather owns a corporation but won't let my dad or me have any of his money until he dies. So technically I am working class since we work but don't own the means of production.

Do you really understand what you're trying to say here? Do you know what the means of production actually consists of? You're talking about capital: capital goods. Do you know why they're called that? It's because they're opposed to consumer goods. Capital goods are useless without being manipulated into consumer goods. They're only capital goods when people USE THEM THAT WAY. Otherwise, it's just land.

Money is a medium of indirect exchange. It can be used to purchase all sorts of capital goods if you were so inclined. You are rich, perhaps not in comparison to your champagne socialist cohorts, but to the working class you are. The commies have a word for you and it's not proletariat: it's petite bourgeois.

Communists would rob you and kill you for the trouble.

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>>131937269
So explain how this idealism is at all compatible with the nature of world and human behavior.

Explain how you can remove personal property from existence.
Explain how you can remove human beings individuality
Explain how human beings can be made into a hive of drones that serve the state without question

>>131940771
So whats the solution?

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>>131940944
^thinks any1 gives a fuck^

it sux a man in the alley freely...because that anon man owes him a suc

^beta till death^

>>131940813
>So were these bank panics and busts a myth or exagerated or something?
Look it up I already spoon fed you one thing which you didn't read I'm not doing it again.

>>131940992
I'm guessing they're Chinese based on the weird engrish in every post.

>>131940944
actually you can you just don't know anyone to invest in you because you dont have a good idea. Maybe if you came to your rich family with a good idea they would be like OK but you think communism is a good idea no wonder they don't give you money. Also you don't need to be rich to get investors some people start business with a few thousand dollars.

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>>131940512
>Communism has 100% of resources used for their purpose rather than wasting 1/3 of food since it can't be sold
Of course, comrade!
source: http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/drm/009/2.pdf

>>131940824
You're totally not a marxist

>>131940827
You're an idiot. You can't create money by creating a product. You need to educate yourself on economics or else you will still belive that money printing causes inflation Nice shitty philosophy.

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>>131940241
how about raising your points here?

>>131940997
lol you literally don't understand the stock market at all.

>>131940745
>So how do you ban fractional reserve banking, all it is is loaning out money

You really don't have the foggiest clue what they actually do. It's not merely "loaning out money." Where do you think that money comes from? The Federal Reserve *creates* the money. They manipulate the money supply through quantitative easing, thereby creating the boom and bust cycle that you blame on free market, despite the fact that free markets are diametrically opposed to fractional reserve banking.

Listen to the name "FRACTIONAL RESERVE" banking. It means that they can loan out more than they have in the bank. They only need to have a FRACTION of the money on RESERVE. Fucking retards, jesus.

>>131940992
I am working class

>>131941018
Because capitalism is the current economic system that dominates the planet

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>>131941051
you dream of daddy touching you...we don't care...you cry like a dumb bitch

>>131932084
op communism can work but it needs a few rule changes like a constitutional amendment.
you must work on the ownership in populations
what would ownership even be in communism?
what would a human be allowed to own in communism? who would be best for what?
where would who work were? how would your government respond with laws and freedom rights?.these are the things that need to be reformed

>>131941206
>Doesn't understand the concept of capital

>>131941051


Personal property still exists in socialism and communism, but private property doesn't .

Individuality still exists

There is no state in communism

>>131940745
Fractional reserve banking is the appropriation of the wealth of the working and middle class by stealth, via the mechanism of inflation. Under an Austrian system, the money supply only increases if wealth is being generated and is finite, unlike the current system where the Reserve banks create money out of thin air.

>>131940997
>>131941284
beyond this there are multiple things to invest in that change in price like land for example, that can lead to enormous profits and then you can become the 1%

>>131941400
>Personal property still exists in socialism and communism,

No it doesn't.

Do you even know what you're shilling for?

HEY COMMIE FUCKS:

ARE WE GETTING NEW BREAD OR DO I HAVE TO WAIT IN LINE FOR THE SHIT????

>>131941034
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Nobody wants to work. It's just that retarded economics isn't going to get us to that point. Understanding economics helps so that you don't have to work as much. That's why you learn about it.
Keynes said by 2000 we'd have so much increases in production and automation no one would have to work. Due to automation we technically don't have to work but still must since capitalism demands slave labour

>Money is a medium of indirect exchange. It can be used to purchase all sorts of capital goods if you were so inclined. You are rich, perhaps not in comparison to your champagne socialist cohorts, but to the working class you are. The commies have a word for you and it's not proletariat: it's petite bourgeois.
Wrong! Petite bourgeois is someone who owns their own business and communists highly respected them for not maniupalting the working class.

>>131941156
Yeah i did and it says your retarded. People lost everything in those bank runs. Can you link me to the wackjob far-right conspiracy site you are reading this from?

>>131941335
Why are you working class?

>>131941400
every communism had a state
that why it never works
"NOT TRUE COMMUNISM"

>>131941488
This shit deserves to be saged into oblivion.