Archiving/preservation of digital media

Upload it on https://archive.org
Download the pages and the videos
Take screen captures
Always back-up your hard-drive. Back-up your back-up hard-drive too, just to be sure.

On this subject : will Encyclopedia Dramatica ever become great again ?

>>131912653
Yes, but I'm talking about further into the future, in a moment of major decline. Saying "back it up" doesn't really deal with the issue of the machine to read/access the data itself isn't online/powered.

>>131912873
>Because electricity cannot be generated manually with relative ease by a freshman-level engineer

You are paranoiac

>>131912029
Will hard drives or DVDs last longer when placed in a vault? Couldn't hurt to leave paper instructions on how to maintain it, generate electricity, etc.

Put the most important text on paper or even non-rusting metal/stone. Videos music etc might be gone for good unless someone figures out a better method.

>>131913451
Not really, they are going to degrade eventually and the information will be corrupted beyond retrieval. Look up bit root for more info.

>>131913451
Music can be stored non-digitally. See records, cassettes, music boxes, sheet music, etc.

Everyone ITT seems to think that the biggest problem is data storage, when the real problem is interpretation. Whether "interpretation" refers to languages, writing, audio/video codecs, or the type of machine required to read media, data is worth nothing without a way to drive meaning from it.

We can align every star in the universe to spell out "Jews did 9/11", so that the message remains visible to everyone until the universe's last star dies out, but it won't mean shit if our descendants can't read it.

>>131912029
>Imagine if we were to "lose" the internet, in that every bit of data on it, every site, every image, every video, etc. were to vanish, what would we do?

party pretty hard, get drunk, get laid, be thankful that bullshit is over, complain about the arrival of the next wave of bullshit

>>131913138
Yes, but the information would be easily spread because you'd essentially be bodging it. And such a method of electrical generation would not be as widespread as it currently is now.

>>131913451
>Will hard drives or DVDs last longer when placed in a vault?
Apparently blu-ray discs will last 100 years, but they also said the same about floppy discs. SSDs will lose data if they're not powered on for long periods and HDDs can seize up with age.

And modern paper will last a long time because white paper now has bleach in it, so as long as its stored in a dry place it'll last pretty well, or well enough that it could be copied in that time.

> Videos music etc might be gone for good unless someone figures out a better method.

The problem is really that so much of modern media of all kinds is mostly visuals and sound, and then there's the trouble with file formats. Remember that case where loads of NASA images were un-openable because no one had a very specific computer with a specific program?

>>131914137
Cassettes are still digital, right?

And as for interpretation, (I covered the access of data) languages don't die out absolutely to the point of being unreadable for hundreds of years. Even if every English speaker died today, we'd still be able to assemble the language in some form from leftover dictionaries and comparing to other languages.

>>131912029
Well, nothing of value would be lost to start with so why the panic?

>>131915266
Is that really for us to decide? Besides, if it's all worthless, why invest so much time and so many resources to it? Something like 15-20% of the electrical supply goes to the internet and associated technologies, so it has to be worth something.

>>131915791
Tell me, what's worth saving exactly?

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>>131916021
Surely as much as we can? Who knows what could be important later, even just culturally. It's why people were so happy to find these tapes, that held 10 years if USENET.

Imagine, 20 years after it passed into obscurity and vanished, someone just turns up and says "I have 10 years of Facebook chatlogs".

It's the same reason that the GeoCities archive is still so heavily seeded.

>>131916021
I guess we could save all our historical records and technical information (all types of engines, mechanical designs, electrical designs for computer chips & transistors etc), so that we don't enter another dark ages type scenario

>>131916021
Also Wikipedia, I think it would be great to have a backup of something so wide-ranging, as it has so much data about pretty much everything

>>131916944
You can download a torrent of wikipedia as-is. I think it's a few GB.

The end of the Internet would be the best thing to ever happen to hummanity.

>>131917439
I don't think you can say that. Compare how easy it is to get information and access to books now. And the exchanging of that information. I admit that the internet has taken on a runaway-train life of its own, but surely even as a method of discussion and document exchange it has some value?

It's for that that people put up with horrifically slow BBSs.

>>131912029
Who cares? Like 99.99% or more in the web is useless trash. Everything of importance, like scientific papers, is still printed

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Ok so I looked into it, apparently the best long term storage so far is the M-Disc, which came out in 2009. Looks good for small file storage IMHO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1zKZISYjZU

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

>>131912029
as an It guy, its all about BACKUPS
at home i have a big safe with a hard drive in it and backup my redundant systems to the safe.

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>>131916021
>>131915266

>Irving said,
>>It’s quite an unusual feeling looking at the original Nazi microfiche glass plates in the original Agfa boxes—there are eighteen hundred plates, each with 25 or 40 images on them—a total of 70 or 80 thousand pages of paper. And you know you are the first person to read them since Goebbels, in 1944 and 1945, ordered the stuff to be preserved in case of damage to the originals. No one knows now where his original notebooks are, or what happened to them. They’re probably gone forever. But fortunately they were preserved on glass plates, and I was the first person to study them.

>Incredible as it seems, had Goebbels not taken the precaution of copying his diary onto newly-invented microfiche and burying it, it would have been permanently lost.

>>131912029
helium filled hard drives, in a airtight case inside a Faraday cage!

buy actual copies of books or print them out yourself

become autistic and learn to use "git annex"

build your own library

>>131912029

Nothing of value will be lost.

All the knowledge you will ever need is already written down.

So long as that is safe we don't have to worry.

>>131917305
>>131916944
I have downloaded the WP database for local use. Now I have to build a power-sipping computer to read it on in case of SHTF.

>>131924107
sadly the written word is accessible to a increasingly small number of people. videos that show basic skills of construction, gardening, sewing, etc. are far more accessible. I agree that 99.9% of what's on the internet is shit, but it has shown us how information can be efficiently transferred between people.

>>131924107
But what about knew knowledge being made now? Look at our infographics for an example. They don't exactly lend themselves to easy printing.

>>131918943
Going above 700KB for storage, and puretext for data, was a mistake.

Gopher > HTTP

>>131924451
That's just because of a change in how the internet works, and the capability of it. All sorts of tutorials were spread in textfiles back in the day.

http://textfiles.com/directory.html

>>131924903
how many people read those text files, vs. how many people watch youtube videos about the same ideas?

>>131925327
Very few, but that wasn't the point I was making. If we were still at dialup speed it would still be all text with the occasional monochrome GIF image if you're lucky.