Natsoc economics

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>>131889559
they removed the juden

>>131889559
Interest is Usury, creating money out of nothing in order to gain leverage over people, mainly a tool to put governments in debt to a certain group of international banks, see fractional reserve banking of today.

>>131889559
By it being not true and you being an oblivious newdditor

>>131890133
How did loans work then? We're banks just run by the state and funded by taxpayers?

>>131889559
It wasn't, and it was and is impossible.

>>131890196
Yes

>>131890133
Why would anyone lend out money if they didn't make money doing so?

>>131890133
You aren't creating money out of nothing, you are putting your money at risk by loaning it to someone and the interest is your fee.

>>131890328
>>131890314

k then
I guess that could work

>>131889559
>Nazism
>Logical Ecomomics

Pick one.

>>131889559
Banks create money out of nothing, so abolishing interest is as simple as writing a law

>>131890331
>>131890359
>trying to speak rationally with a zeitgeistfag

Also the triggered libergtards in this thread are hilarious

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>mfw usury

>>131889559
>In Nazi germany banks were not allowed to charge interest rates.

false

> How was this possible?

it isn't. The interest is the price for the good called money/currency.

>>131890196
A labor certificate known as a reichsmark was issued for the equivlant amount of labor as far as I know. The bank was directly controlled by the National Socialist party.>>131890331
Why not? Banks today already create money out of nothing the only question is the motive and goal of the bank, is it to facilitate commerce of the nation? Or is it to extract profit without having to do any work? Fractional Reserve banking creates money from nothing by loaning money that was created electronically or printed with nothing backing it

>>131890331
They wouldn't. Instead they'd directly invest in the enterprise.

>>131890702
Labor backs FIAT currencies. GTFO "muh gold reserves!!!" fag.

>>131890479
>writing a law
Ok. Law written and passed.
Now you have no banks at all.

While at that, why not write law that makes everything at shops free?

>>131889559
A bank would go under if it didn't charge interest. I suppose the state ran it in Germany. Reminder: Nation Socialism isn't Socialims....Nationalist banks is DEF not Socialism.

>>131890440
>go from Haiti tier to the strongest country on earth in 5 years
>flag

There is a reason why noone but stupid naziboos think the nazi german economy was good

They will cry at me saying this but all it was, was a giant New Deal plan mixed with communist tier regulations on the financial sector

Its hilariously bad

>>131889559
it is possible, it may be very low.

if it is low then it creates enormous debts and trade disbalances.
party elite starts to manufacture goods that are not demanded by market.
with each turnover their companies accumulate money that cant be put in bank.

it creates extreme preasure on gold, human herd and real assets
thats why hitler started killing jews and invading other countries - to get gold and real assets (lebensraum) to feed his ponzi scheme

it is one of the reasons why nazi germany was close to collapse and hitler started world war.

>>131889559
as a system is was public, not private. Interest is only necessary when the lender needs to make personal gain from the transaction. A public system can see the gain in terms of increased economic health of the country through lending to individuals. Money can be created in the process just as we do in our private fractional reserve system, except that it need not have the fractional reserve ties. The cost and risk of giving that loan is basically socialized by simply being inflation of current money in the system. In our system we have that socialization of costs, but the private gains still exist.
So, the national socialists solved the (((banking))) problem by cutting out the middlemen.
Remember, after the Weimar collapse the national socialist government introduced a new currency directly produced by the state with no private interests involved. It was initially distributed by the massive public works projects such as the autobahn.

>>131890702
"Im too fucking retarded to understand how a floating exchange rate works so it must be worth nothing"

-t. You

>>131890196
>We're banks just run by the state and funded by taxpayers?
yeah? thats what fascism basically is. More specifically its a melding of private and public entities. Unlike commies they have some resemblance of autonomy but govt can dictate rules and actions. Its like a super safety net on the free market.

>>131891271
*Did you mean: Command Economy

>>131890911
No private banks.
Nothing prevents state owned banks, which running costs are supported by tax.

>>131891182
If anyone has any questions, I'll try to answer them. I'm an econfag and have done a fair amount of study into banking systems and historical economic thought and practice.

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>>131891654
NS privatized state owned banks though

>>131891654
you describe USSR.

it creates ponzi and cements social hierarchy

if you cant put money into deposit then whole process of accumulation has no sence

if you have no interest rate then holding money in bank has no sence, it creates inflation and black market. in responce government makes money reforms to confiscate big ammounts of cash

in responce people go to gold, usd etc

in response government kills or imprisons people that try to obtain normal currency

if government imprisons you for attempts to get rich then hard work loses any sence

>>131891934
OK, I know nothing of the banking world, how exactly did the reichsmarks carry value? Commodity backed currencies I can understand, fiat currencies i could never understand. Also >>131890702 calls it a "labor certificate" what does that mean? currency backed by physical labor?

>>131891444
>*Did you mean: Command Economy
to an extent, idk if they would both be put under that umbrella. There is free market in Fascism but it can be switched to command at any moment. Its to protect the state and citizens but also direct the market as opposed to commies who literally just control it.

>>131891934

Did this system produce any drawbacks for Germany during the war?

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>>131891182
>Remember, after the Weimar collapse the national socialist government introduced a new currency

except they didn't. See, it says issued according to the 1924 (Weimar) Reichsbank law.

>>131891934
recommended reading to explain fed reserve/central bank pyramid scheme and fractional reserve usury? is there such a book that is well-sourced and academic?

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>>131892467

>>131891934
my friend says hitler ruined germany's economy bc foucault said it somewhere. is this true?

did hitler objectively improve germany's economy? i want to be able to successfully defend that position if so

It's a currency backed by Workforce instead of Gold or Nothing.

During the jewish boycott from international Trade in 1933, das Reich had to trade goods vs goods because the Reichsmark wasn't backed by gold.

>>131892544
What I was about to ask. Or just a primer list on economics in general.

>>131892544
>>131892856
bruh..

>>131890133
Oy vey why would I loan you money for free?

>>131892544
>>131892890
watched this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTbvoiTJKIs

>>131892467
>>131892610
this proves nothing. the mechanism behind the currency could very well have changed in 1933. just because there is the same name doesnt mean its the same currency or reated in the same manner.

personally im ignorant on the subject, just pointing out the logical fallacy there

>>131892279
Yes exactly it was currency backed by labor.

http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-basics/

Being storage for money is not a real job.

>>131889559
Wir verbannten das Böse

>>131893046
no i'll check it out. thx

>>131893047
>personally im ignorant on the subject
Oh it shows. Asking someone who agrees with you to confirm your bias instead of basing your opinion on the facts might be the cause

>>131893059
But how does that work? Who measures the labor? Who decides its worth? What about mental labor? A software engineer doesn't do physical labor, neither does a general physician.

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>>131893047
the mechanism behind the two Fiat currencies circulating in the II Reich, Reichsmark and Rentenmark, weren't changed. What NS eventually did was printing much more, making the Reichsmark worthless.

>>131890958
Germany was the second largest economy in the world during weimar republic

>>131893229
point out where ive done any of that...

also how is asking for real sources not facts?

furthermore, "foucault said that.." isn't exactly a logical argument. its an appeal to authority, and not even a relevant authority at that

>>131892887
>It's a currency backed by Workforce instead of Gold or Nothing.

prove it. (it sounds like Gottfried Feder)

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>>131893327
IIIrd I mean

>>131893494
>point out where ive done any of that...
here
>>131892856
>did hitler objectively improve germany's economy? i want to be able to successfully defend that position if so

>>131893494
In this thread. Why don't you read the Federal Reserve law instead of asking 17-old youtubers to explain how it is a pyramid sheme?
Hint: It doesn't work like you think it does

>>131893316
The currency is was backed by labor and the state decided the price you were paid according to your work, as the state was the one who was responsible for printing the currency they were deciding the value of the currency too

>>131893827
>if so

in other words: if that's the case, i'd like to be able to successfully defend that position with evidence.

if it's not the case, i'll continue to NOT argue in favor of it

i haven't pretended to know anything, just that my friend said foucault said blah blah blah, which didn't seem factual to me (rather sour grapes on the part of foucault [he was gay commie, pro jew etc]), but, not having any evidence one way or the other, i didn't argue anything. now im simply asking for evidence if so.

is asking for evidence really a form of "confirmation bias" in you libtards malfunctioning """"""brains?""""

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https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/10/what-is-money-for/

https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/12/abc-of-economics-1933-part-1/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/12/abc-of-economics-1933-part-2/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/12/abc-of-economics-1933-part-3/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/12/abc-of-economics-part-4/
https://www.counter-currents.com/2012/12/abc-of-economics-part-5-and-conclusion/

>>131891654
Taxpayers would still fund loans tho.

>>131893484
and then came the treaty of versailles after we lost ww1.
10 Merkels couldnt cuck us as hard, as that fucking treaty.

>>131890359
> Not understanding the fundamental difference between loans given to nations and the subsequent loans handed out to the citizenry.

Learn to distinguish between the 'fractional' and the 'reserve'.

>>131891014
>Nazi Germany's economy is bad
Explain to me how it held out for 6 years against half the world and had the opportunity to win twice

>>131893928
why not do both? it's a good suggestion to read the full text, but it's also probably not the most efficient path for a layman to understand it. a layman could ask a classical musician to explain how/why beethoven was or wasn't the greatest classical composer ever, and you'd tell him..."in stead of confirming your BIASED OPINION, why not go pick up the full scores of beethoven, bach, mozart, palestrina, strauss, wagner and brahms' greatest works and figure it out FOR YOURSELF!!!!!"

see the problem there?

>>131894270
>during Weimar

Don't you know what weimar republic is? hint, it's between WW1 and WW2

>10 Merkels couldnt cuck us as hard
Germany got a pretty good deal, much better then the deals Germany wanted to impose on the French and Brits

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>>131894319
>had the opportunity to win
Delusional. Read up on the numbers of Allied manpower, military hardware and supplies versus the same numbers for the Axis. They were dwarfed.

>>131894267
taxpayers today still fund banks

>>131894083
OK but how is the labor measured/quantified? and how is relative value set? Say the labor value of a eye doctor vs a skin doctor?

>>131894319
>tfw waiting for libtard leftshits to explain germany's military dominance against 100x the population/resources without admitting any biological racial differences at all

this should be good

>>131889559
Banks were nationalized and not for profit. This is possible when you kick out globalism and the money hungry Jews.
>>131890165
Wrong.

>>131890440
> Literally any other political ideology.
> Logical Economics.

You must pick one. Economics is simple my blue pilled friend.

Remove Juden, remove interest, base currency on value and not privately held debt.

Invest in public infrastructure, while stimulating the economy at the same time, simply by having control over the creation of currency.

The truth is, the thing that doesn't work is being a Jewpet and a debt slave.

>>131894319
>Explain to me how it held out for 6 years against half the world and had the opportunity to win twice
you use commie argumentation

USSR held 71 years against whole world and nazis. they helped africa, asia and other shitpeople for the sake of "communism"

it had oportunity to win twice, they should have continues to use slave labor to accumulate gold. under protection of nukes they could accumlate all gold in the world in 50 years.
or they could nuke the world...victory!!!

But communists remains shit. same as national socialism.

>>131894319
if allies wanted germany destroyed within a year they could do it, but they would suffer much heavier casualties and take needless risks

>>131890633
DO you hear what you are saying? You dumb fuck. Money is not a good, it is a currency.

Well it shouldn't be, but it has become one. The greatest fraud of all time is that nations must 'buy' the right to currency from international jewish owned banks.

>>131894540
I mean the real pivotal points in the war, Dunkirk for obvious reasons and if the germans didnt stall the offensive by 3 months (iirc) they could have feasibley taken out the USSR and acqustioned their factories and resources with Finlands help

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>>131892887
>>131893573
still waiting. Well?

>>131892544
Paper Promises: Debt, Money, and the New World Order

by Philip Coggan

It's got an excellent overview of why our system exists as it does.

>>131894648
>germany's military dominance
Only because of the cowardly surprise attack. After the battle of Moscow the Soviets were already a superior fighting force.

>gainst 100x the population
The axis block had much more population then USSR. Twice as much iirc

>>131894575
The currency was backed by labor, why do you need the quantification is beyond me

>How did libya or the whole islamic world work without interest rates

>>131894648
>germany's military dominance
No, you still don't understand... Germany very briefly dominated France, North Africa and Eastern Europe. Then it very quickly went very badly for Germany. It was never a question of racial superiority, they just didn't have the goods to win a war against the British, Americans and Russians. Not even close.

>>131894812
>Dunkirk for obvious reasons
That was a massive blunder but acting correctly would not have meant victory.

>they could have feasibley taken out the USSR
I don't think so desu.

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>>131889559

the reich seriously could have won if Hitler wasn't a delusional fucking retard. its almost like he was put in there by (((them))) as a final way of destroying Germany and forever implementing the jew victim forever in everyone's minds. How could you be so autistic to actually cancel the production of the first assault rifle, that would have won the war in russia months before winter.. Or maybe when he cancelled the FIRST JET in 1943.

Seriously, Hitler was obviously a Jewish puppet on their way to owning the world. I mean, if you look back - WW2 was the beginning of Jewish supremacy, caused by Hitler. (((who))) could have been behind that??

>>131894751
>if allies wanted germany destroyed within a year they could do it
No I'm sure the allies just left them in control of most of Europe for shits and giggles

>>131892279
1 hour of labour = 1 reichsmarks.

Is labour valuable? Yes.

>Wait... anon. Are you saying once you have control of the currency you can print money while creating value.

The real redpill awaits.

>>131894925
>Islamic world works without interest
No such thing anon

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>>131891444
>>131892366

All this.

Having the govt in control of the bank/businesses, but not actually running them, makes sure that nobody is going to pull the shit that we've got going on here. But if the bank/business is actually still there doing its job then they manage it more effectively than a communist state would by handing it 100% over to the govt.

And in a facist state if you are trying to do the enron and bail out shit like we do here (or even trying to start gearing it towards that), they can straight up shoot your ass for it. None of this white collar 5 years in minimum security prison shit, this is a crime against the state (and it really is)

So nobody would do that there.

>>131894540
They conquered continental Europe in a year

>>131889559
Isn't it the same in Islamic countries (and the Christian back then)?

>>131890133
Interest is repayment for giving people the opportunity they otherwise would not have.

>>131892856
Are you retarded? I don't want to have to insult you and therefore run the risk of pushing you away from the redpill but come on, man.

They went from Greek level bankruptcy to a world superpower. World jewry had to unite its pets to stop its rise.

>>131894697
>Economics is simple my blue pilled friend.
>Remove Juden, remove interest, base currency on value and not privately held debt
>Invest in public infrastructure, while stimulating the economy at the same time, simply by having control over the creation of currency.
so your genius idea is to have publicly controlled financial service, while 'stimulating' the economy through inflationarly public spending?
can you point to a country, economic theory or economic paper that says any of these are good ideas? theres usually a good fucking reason for such large things as how public finance and central banking is structured, and its not muh juden.

>>131895091
It didn't matter though. They couldn't hold it for more than a couple years. Their U-boats were all sunk, their airforce disappeared, their army didn't make it a third of the way through Russia.

The only REAL hope for Germany was to make a separate peace with the Western Allies and concentrate everything they had against Stalin, but the Western Allies were not the least bit interested in such a deal by the time Germany realized this.

>>131894804
>DO you hear what you are saying? You dumb fuck. Money is not a good, it is a currency.

Money is a good yes, it is traded just like any other good, if it is in demand, the price (interest rate) rises.
What we colloquially call money today indeed is currency, but no money, it doesn't fulfill the basic requirements of money - more here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQWMd_NPSBA

>>131892467
this proves nothing
why countersignal when you obviously know nothing of discrete economics?

>>131895014
See >>131893316
>But how does that work? Who measures the labor? Who decides its worth? What about mental labor? A software engineer doesn't do physical labor, neither does a general physician.

and >>131894575
>OK but how is the labor measured/quantified? and how is relative value set? Say the labor value of a eye doctor vs a skin doctor?

>>131893327
See, you are an idiot. Because you are arguing within the context of an international banking system. ie printing money = inflation

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>>131889559


Natsoc just care too much. Be like the jews and fuck over everyone you know. Only the best will be left.

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from the ashes, we will rise

>>131895311
very simple, because the Reichsbank law was not changed before 1939. Why do you meddle in this debate, don't you have to prepare dinner for your husband?
http://www.verfassungen.de/de/de33-45/reichsbank39.htm

>>131894948
>That was a massive blunder but acting correctly would not have meant victory.
It would have severely demoralized Allied infantry and it would have taken quite some time for the Allies to recover from the loss of manpower

>I don't think so desu.
By the time winter hit and stalled the German offense, the Germans could see the outskirts of Moscow, if the offensives had started sooner the eastern front would have been won, there are not many places east of Moscow besides Russian production plants, it would have effectively rendered Russia unable to continue any warring outside of partisan actions, also the freed up eastern vets would sent to the west whilst also leaving some behind for policing actions.

>>131894894
>axis block
>USSR

>comparing multiple countries to one country only

why resort to such pathetic argumentative tactics? just admit the axis were far outnumbered by the allies, even in specific theatres. why not just admit that? you can still make an argument beyond that point. why compare two totally irrelevant populations? it's just an unnecessary logical fallacy

>>131889559
nazis emerged from the jews trying to take over germany, they failed and the current situation is the contemporary situation.. Every youth grows up and pretends.. it was always like this.. and it's somehow for the best. The nazi's went so far to be heralds of hyperborea.. of a technology so advanced that it was forbidden. Because it is so powerful that it can only be trusted with people of the highest morality.. aka.. 99.99999% of the population.. and even those who claim to know it should wash their robes. Blessings and seeing a better way necessitates the greatest virtue and the highest of principles that if not.. forget it.. The highest principles of character and then multiply that with 12. Tesla discovered similar, it cannot simply be allowed.. so he had to go away. I totally understand that now. He was just a man with a vision not understanding the thing he understood and what it meant.

Let's put it simple for nobrainers to understand.. if you have a zero point energy or overunity device.. if you fuck up the engineering it continues untill you destroy it. Just a slight example you see how big of a fucking mess that can make.. when you have no off button.

>>131895109
Some popes ran the Church's money through banks that practiced usury.

I only know of one detail of a modern Islamic bank. Home mortgages work differently. The bank buys the home and you pay rent (over x many months) until you own it. I'm guessing it comes out to nearly the same as paying interest.

>>131895830
Aka 99.99999% of the population discarded, should never touch that technology ever.. unworthy.

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>>131895356
>See, you are an idiot.
oh lol

>Because you are arguing within the context of an international banking system. ie printing money = inflation
The printing of the Reichsmark led to massive inflation. There was the Goldverbot, like in the USA, private ownership of gold was severely restricted.

>>131895243
i don't think you understood my question. i'm with you. i believe hitler did a miraculous turn around and improved germany's economy...my friend says otherwise bc of foucault. i'm simply asking for a consolidated source of evidence to back up the claim (not bc i don't believe it).

>>131895947
>private ownership of gold was severely restricted.
kek probs because of the joos owning it

>>131894575
>OK but how is the labor measured/quantified?
The currency was backed by labor measured against the amount of labor needed to produce a certain universal good, in this case I believe it was a quantity of grain. The money supply was grown by encouraging couples to produce 4 children which doubles the amount of labor the currency is backed against, and therefore allows allows twice the amount of money to be in circulation without inflation.

>and how is relative value set? Say the labor value of a eye doctor vs a skin doctor?
There isn't much around written about the intricacies of the system, as much of it was mostly theoretical. The actual transfer to a labor-based currency was never really completed due to the war. Nazi currency remained on the gold standard, as autarky was impossible due to insufficient natural resources and land, requiring imports from countries like Sweden.

That said, if any people on earth can draft a borderline-autistic cost comparison of effort required to reap grain compared to ball bearing manufacturing or doctoring, it would be the germans.

>>131895622
>It would have severely demoralized Allied infantry and it would have taken quite some time for the Allies to recover from the loss of manpower
Britain never really took on Germany in a land war until the Americans joined in (when it was already over, naturally...). The British air force and navy, with American lendlease keeping them afloat, were doing the heavy lifting.

>Moscow
I'm not convinced Moscow would have fallen even if the offensive were not stalled by Hitler's retardation. Stalin's decision to remain in the city, its farflung location and the city's considerable anti-air made it a new challenge for the German war machine.

Let's say Moscow did fall. Even then, Germany is pissing way resources trying to occupy a hostile Russia while the British and Americans close in for the coup de gras. They simply did not have the goods to take on these three powers all at once. Their only hope was a separate peace with the Westerners, and they fucked that up (Hitler again, always a genius)

>>131895947
National socialists are just commies in denial.

they use same type of bullshit

it is pointless to explain them anything

>>131895929
This is the parallax... we have problems we want to fix.. to fix them all it entails being acquainted with a paradigm that might it can be used for this, might also destroy them completely. Aka tree of knowledge in the bible.. It was to be given to us gradually. Throw a wrench in that, someone trying to weaponize our species for warfare, then that was dismantled and remnants of that derelict technology and myths endure..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ymgFyzbDo

>>131895255
>while 'stimulating' the economy through inflationarly public spending?
how is that not better than what we currently have, which is inflationary interest-laden printing of fiat currency by a private bank with no public spending?...oh and then public spending after that money has already been devalued by its very printing.

>>131894540
Completely false. Axis forces even according to normie sources killed far more allies for each of them. Victory wasn't out of question.

>>131896229
>muh k/d
Look at the numbers for military hardware and supplies, dude. Look at the Allied navy and airforce compared to Germany even at the height of their U-boat and Luftwaffe power.

>>131896067
german have lost battle of moskow. they didnt even start the siege. all factories were moved to ural in 1941-1942.

>>131896043
So ultimately the reichsmarks were gold backed?

>>131896229
the order of the black sun which describes an esoteric anti gravity electromagnetic system and the black sun describes how it looks when it operates was found on the ss headquarters. They were inches away from ruling the entire world by this thing.. the swaztika is part of that too. The forbidden thing to replace any fossile fuel need or nuclear kraftwerk or even thorium reactors which i would say is the next step outside of this paradigm.

>>131896389
The Battle of Moscow was the deadliest battle of human history if I recall correctly. It was a "siege from afar" fought on the city's outskirts, thanks to the reinforcements from Siberia.

>>131896031
>kek probs because of the joos owning it

ridiculous, the people were robbed.
>gold is just shiny rocks
>give us those shiny rocks, we'll give you printed paper in exchange

>>131896121
Indeed, socialists, to be more precisely.
Sadly I could not find it in English.
None of those Natcucks ever read anything about NS economics.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hunke

>>131896204
inflation has been below target m8. also fischer's equation- expected inflation means shit, the only relevant one is unexpected. And considering public spending and business cycles u would be hit by 10%+ inflation sooner or later, and after ur there its too late to stop and u'll be forced to create another volcker recession or degenerate into hyperinflation.

>>131894319
it basically achieved 100% employment wartime economy you fucking retard

if the war ended the massive overinvestment bubble by the state into industry would pop, so many people would have lost their jobs, many companies would have gone bankrupt

this could have been partly put off my doing more of their stupid fucking public works projects that only put off the inevitable that the german economy had no actual industry investment that could sustain their economic conditions and it would have been just as bad as before

>>131896511
How you can have 80 million people in nazi germany built germany to monuments of vanity and had the swaztika and order of the black sun.. how could it rule the world? They had close to finding new energy device. but it was not permitted of them to be found. It's not for man to touch. The black sun logo was etched in ss headquarters floor. It's not cult it's how this energy device looks when operating. Zeropoint energy or overunity devices. Tree of knowledge.

>>131889559
Nazi Economics were a meme.
Keynesianism until 1941, then Commie-tier statist logic after Schatch was removed from his post.

Franco in Spain had to turn back and embrace free market policies in the 1960s to stop his country from collapsing.

>>131896860
>>>/x/

>>131896067
>Britain never really took on Germany in a land war
It wouldn't matter it would either stall the Allied offensives in North Africa thus Germany would have access to it's resources for the war effort or it would force USA to invest more heavily in the Africa campaign, this is an issue in itself as at the time USA was more interested in mobilizing a pacific force.

>I'm not convinced Moscow would have fallen
Sure it's not like Berlin fell at all, capital cities aren't invincible

>>131896929
yarr what ye say is true, have a grogg on me matey! Trying to explain why it never happened..

>>131896699
>ridiculous, the people were robbed.
was a joke you tard

>>131896067
>I'm not convinced Moscow would have fallen even if the offensive were not stalled by Hitler's retardation.
Even Moscow was a bit of a red herring. The Soviets had shown no qualms over retreating to enact a defense-in-depth, and I was never sold over the "take the Moscow CP and the match is over" logic. In this case, Hitler made a decision in this instance, as even were the Wehrmacht to take Moscow, it would have been done by ignoring the 600,000 man Soviet army to their south and stretched the German logistics to absurd degrees with an earlier Stalingrad.

>Their only hope was a separate peace with the Westerners, and they fucked that up (Hitler again, always a genius)
The nazis made numerous peace gestures with the western powers, after Dunkirk Hitler tried quite hard to pursue peace negotiations with England, but failed when Churchill and much of the British cabinet refused. It also resulted in one of the stranger moments of the war, when Rudolf Hess, operating under his interpretation of what Hitler said to him, flew an enhanced-endurance heavy fighter over England, bailed out, and tried to contact an English duke he was familiar with to discuss a peace treaty.

>>131895705
>why resort to such pathetic argumentative tactics?
The invasion force was not composed only of Germans. USSR was also a union of several countries

> just admit the axis were far outnumbered by the allies,
The axis outnumbered the Soviets 2:1. It's not Stalin fault that the nazis could not successfully recruit, nor is Stalin fault that the Axis troops weren't of the same quality as the Soviets.

>even in specific theatres
Germans pretty much always outnumbered their enemies in western europe.

>>131889559
Interest rates are not allowed in islamic banking -right now. Today.

>>131896967
>>131896967
>Britain never really took on Germany in a land war

Forgot to add that if it would have stalled the NA campaign it would have stalled every subsequent campaign made by the Allies

>>131897080
>was a joke you tard

well, commieboy, what do you think the idea was behind the outlawing of private ownership of gold if not robbing the people?

>>131891014
>There is a reason why noone but stupid naziboos think the nazi german economy was good
there's a reason the only number related to ww2 that anyone knows is 6 gorillion.

>>131897134
>USSR was also a union of several countries
No it was a former monarchical empire with provinces not countries

>The axis outnumbered the Soviets 2:1
damn delusional

>>131896967
>North Africa
The British Empire's vastly larger force on that continent would have beaten Rommel even if Dunkirk were handled correctly... he was good but not that good.

>Berlin
That was a VERY different situation m8, it wasn't a question of whether Berlin would fall, only a question of whether Russians or Americans would get there first

Most people did think Moscow would fall, but again, the distance of Moscow from the German frontlines, its anti-air (way more than anywhere else in the CCCP, more even than contemporary Western Allied cities) and Stalin's decision to remain in the city (boosting morale/instilling fear) made Moscow a very tough nut to crack.

>The nazis made numerous peace gestures with the western powers
Much too late. By the time Germany realized they needed a separate peace to survive, nobody was listening to them. The brutality of the war had hardened minds.

>>131897100
Meant to quote you there:

>>131897470
>>The nazis made numerous peace gestures with the western powers

>Much too late. By the time Germany realized they needed a separate peace to survive, nobody was listening to them. The brutality of the war had hardened minds.

>>131897100
>The nazis made numerous peace gestures with the western powers, after Dunkirk Hitler tried quite hard to pursue peace negotiations with England, but failed when Churchill and much of the British cabinet refused. It also resulted in one of the stranger moments of the war, when Rudolf Hess, operating under his interpretation of what Hitler said to him, flew an enhanced-endurance heavy fighter over England, bailed out, and tried to contact an English duke he was familiar with to discuss a peace treaty.
Here's a nice video with that in regard.. of how pathetic it all was, and how afterwards an agenda was set forward to germans were blamed for everything.. even to today.. the captain underpants movie.. it's a mad scientist with german accent.. germans be evil you guys.. Wonder what they were afraid of. 70+ years later..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtNRwTl1sRk&spfreload=10
Hitler was not a pure of who he was but fought for the pure. Here is some of hitlers failed attempts at peace. Notice how he mocks the US the US was SHIT at that time.. compared to germany.. when germany died by getting btfo by commie russia by the east and the (((greatest allies))) starving tens of millions of germans to death cause they were fucking nazi's.. germans lost some of the best and brightest and the rest were raped.. few they were that held the pride of reich germany and held the banner of the nordic cross germany.. so they substituted it afterwards with this shit flag, that was so shit and so beneath in every way, and even THAT merkel threw away.. because germans.. oh how bad it is.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVcspJhjjN4 Not even the nordic cross of germany but this retarded substitute she throws away.. who is oppressed again.. the true ones surrounded in the world by a bunch of larpers.. you will have your reward.

>>131896507
Not really, it was pretty much a fiat currency internally. Gold was only really used for imports, and even then, their reserves were so depleted that it was pretty much a barter system (coal and high-end equipment and goods for iron, oil, and hilariously grain from the Soviets).

>>131896699
>ridiculous, the people were robbed.
Jews aren't people.

>>131897800
Then how was the value of their currency determined?

>>131897340
>what do you think the idea was behind the outlawing of private ownership of gold if not robbing the people
You're making the mistake of imagining Nazi Germany as a modern state. The jews flat-out weren't regarded as citizens and considered to be essentially, illegal aliens. From that perspective confiscating goods from criminals isn't that tenuous a proposition.

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>>131897791
This is germany, the nordic cross.. (pic related) not the shitbanner they have now.. ONE OF US ONE OF US! They threw themselves against the enemy that wanted to destroy european lineages and look at the situation now..

When you watch hitlers speech about what is europe, you will know that hitler wanted to save europe not just germany.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukwA--tIokg

>>131897340
gunna use the gold as weights to sink commies in the Rhine

>>131897470
>The British Empire's vastly larger force on that continent would have beaten Rommel even if Dunkirk were handled correctly... he was good but not that good.
nope, it would have either been delayed or would have been a more stretched out campaign, even for the British Empire (which my country is apart of) 80k (iirc) troops is a lot to loose and will effect how it proceeds in war endeavors.

>That was a VERY different situation m8
Nope its the same situation, if the head of an autocracy falls so does the state, whats left is an ineffective partisan force

>>131896121
pirates are niggers in denial.

>>131896507
>So ultimately the reichsmarks were gold backed?
officially from 1924 to 1931, but no gold circulated, it rather was a honorary gold standard.

The larpers in the US about shining beacon on the hill. Can only happen with european lineages because they alone have that spark they are selected to have that spark they are the salt of the earth and the wheat of the field of this planet.. Not that we should do bad to anyone but that it is our duty to uplift all that we have in our sight and to do good towards our own. To uplift them in the way of our understandings.

>>131898096
what the heck are you talking about? The Goldverbot was for any private person, not just Jews.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldverbot#Verbot_des_Privatbesitzes_in_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus

>>131898132
>delayed
>stretched out campaign
So you do understand that time was on the Allies' side and that their victory was inevitable? The Germans simply did not have the goods, whether we talk manpower, naval tonnage, production capacity or whatever else.

>the same situation
Are you trolling? Berlin in 1945 was guaranteed to fall, the war was effectively over already, and only Hitler's madness prevented German surrender.

The Battle of Moscow was a hugely different situation. Even if they lost and Stalin himself died in the city, the Soviet Union had the capacity to fight on. You underestimate the challenge of conquering Russia.

>>131898525
Are you a schizo?

>>131898525
The struggle about some who want to uplift all people and those who want to tear those who try to uplift down so that others fall down in misery and become easily manipulated for nefarious means.

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>>131894969
>that pic
Considering the only one strong enough to stop Nazi Germany was other Europeans, I would consider deleting that.

>>131897889
By the outbreak of the war im pretty certain it was just dictation from the Central Government.
>we need barrels for 88m guns
>krupp make us 10,000 and we'll pay you uh... a million marks
Fixed conversion rates with the currencies of occupied territories helped it retain value (until the nazis appropriated all their gold too) but the mark pretty much became worthless towards the end and interpersonal transactions were largely barter-based.

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>>131897800
>Jews aren't people.

are Natcucks?

>>131898683
No you're just not used to this kind of honesty my friend.. don't worry you'll be back to your usual thing in no time.

>>131897398
>No it was a former monarchical empire with provinces not countries
>The Soviet Union, officially the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
>Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

>damn delusional

USSR population was about 170 millions.

Now let's make some math

Nazi Germany population was 90 millions+ 15 millions Hungarians+ 15 million Romanians+40 million French+ 7 million Croatians+45 million Italians+ 3 millions Slovakians

This leave us with 215 millions in the Axis fold.

Need i now add the occupied countries and see with how much that leave us?

I must repeat again that it's not Stalin fault that the nazis could not muster a a force as strong as the Soviet one.

>>131891182
How does the government get their loan back without charging interest? Magic?

Don't say threat of police enforcement because that will cost them even more money to get no money in return.

>>131898750
See you in Valhalla mate

I think it was because of the ridiculous inflation experienced in Weimar Germany - lower interest rates often lead to lower inflation rates, the two are *usually* correlated.

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>>131898132
Fascist Italy at least minted nice gold coins

>>131898743
Then how were they able to build their military when hitler was in power?

>>131890165
I don't have an argument:the post

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>>131898950
The hyperinflation of 1923 was done on purpose.
If one prints more currency than the market can absorb, it leads to inflation, regardless of interest rates.

>>131898587
Weren't we speaking in the context of Jews? Regardless, confiscation and rationing are part and parcel of wartime economies. Appropriating privately held gold was a fad even America was involved in at the time, so I don't see it as any particular grievance against Nazi Germany.

>>131898641
>So you do understand that time was on the Allies' side and that their victory was inevitable?

It was a race against time that the Germans lost yes, if these pivotal points in the conflict where won the Germans could have defeated the commies and forced a stale mate with the Allies that would enter a cold war of sorts.

And again you think States are some invincible incorporeal entity, the fall of Moscow would collapse any central government and military would surely follow, if the Germans won the capital they could defeat the decentralized military and subsequent partisanship like they did in poland (with camp internment), essentially it would be "liberated" much like France was.

>>131898822
Yeah the USSR just grew out of the ground in 1917, no wonder why brazil is a shithole tards like you founded it

>>131898749
Are anarcho-kiddiefuckers?

>>131899041
What time period are you referring to? Pre-war or during it?

>>131899441
>Weren't we speaking in the context of Jews?
no
>Regardless, confiscation and rationing are part and parcel of wartime economies.
as well as pecetime economics
> Appropriating privately held gold was a fad even America was involved in at the time, so I don't see it as any particular grievance against Nazi Germany.
which I said in my post
>>131895947

>>131899576
pre-war, after hitler came to power

>>131899570
>no argument
>insult

>>131899668
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire
Oh look it's one country, what a surprise

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>>131899576
>Are anarcho-kiddiefuckers?

no, we're no NS or any other Jacobin abomination

>>131898822
The USSR didn't have to deal with three fronts and pacifying occupied territory.

>40 million French
Ah yes, the little known 4th member of the Axis powers. The French people were the closest of allies with the Germans, utterly unfaltering in their support.

>45 million Italians
You have to subtract that number, not add it. These are the people who were losing to the Ethiopians until Mussolini just started gassing them all.

>Slovakians
Their single division had to literally sneak into the German army because nobody wanted them around.

>>131900361
>These are the people who were losing to the Ethiopians

well, Ethiopians were supported by Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War#Foreign_support

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>>131898822

the real question is how much of a cuck do you have to be to follow a movement where its leader picked the easy way out in a losing war and still have the balls call yourself a man
Sad!

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>>131900957

>>131899663
By paying for it with state funds? The wild ride didn't really begin until mid-war.

>>131899836
Whatever you say pedophile.

>>131899836
Define age of consent in ancap

>>131900794
Because Mussolini was being a prick over Austria. Hitler liked him, but he liked Germans more.

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With all due respect to the fascists here, we must agree to disagree while working towards the same goals.

Ideally, we can have a fascist state and an ancap free territory coexisting side by side. The real test of an economic system is how it survives in the real world and it'll be hard to change people's minds before there's a concrete, real world example.

Argument 1:
You guys are forgetting that interest rates work in favor of the man-on-the-street also. You earn interest in your savings accounts.
What happens when people are no longer motivated to save?
Consumerism and degeneracy.
Instead of putting your money in the bank, you will live high on the hog because why not?
You will buy an unnecessarily nice car, an extra TV, fast food, delivery pizza, weed, movies, alcohol.
In short, your time preference will be very high. This even spills over into people's attitudes. Consequences mean less, so crime and promiscuity increase.

Don't believe me? What was the single most degenerate era in recent history? Wiemar Germany.
What was Weimar Germany's economy like? Negative real interest rates, thanks to inflation. And I'm talking about way before the hyperinflation.

Argument 2:
An economy without interest rates has no way to control the tradeoff between consumerism and frugality.
There's a limited amount of stuff/capital in any economy.
The more stuff/capital, the cheaper everything is. That is, the less you must economize.
If you're too consumerist, you're going to consume the stuff at a greater rate than you replenish it. Everything will get more expensive.

In short, interest rates are the only way you can get an entire society to make collective decisions about how they regard the future.

Hitler's economy was fueled by international bankers to start a war economy.Thats why it worked up to the point when Hitler could not annex any more land to rob it clean.
He annexed Austria because Austria had plenty of gold.
Also if you take the international bankers out of the equation and look at it as pure economy,
you cant compare it to anything,because it was a war-economy,completely tinkered to military output.Even the americans have diverse economy than Hitler had.

>>131898904
They are scared, and they won't even touch it. Don't you even worry about me i worry about you and how to do good to you that is my concern.

>>131901195
>Whatever you say pedophile.
oh lol, look who is talking

>>131901313
>Because Mussolini was being a prick over Austria. Hitler liked him, but he liked Germans more.
Sure, out of love he accepted Germany to be bombed into ashes.

>>131901302
there is no definition.

>>131901963
Exactly ancaps are kiddie fuckers

>>131902085
not an argument

Okay I'm a retard someone explain to me Nazi economics. were they good or bad? I like what they did socially but haven't got a clue on their economics.

>>131902195
Yes it is. there is no age of consent therefore any community can make the age of consent whatever it wants. Ancap are kiddy fuckers

>>131889559
I don't know how it worked there, but I know that Islamic banks have you give "gifts" instead of interest.

>>131901364

its almost like consumerism isnt a necessity in life and it's solely to dilute the wealth of people

>>131902379
you should not project your fantasies upon others. Just because something can not be scientifically defined does not mean all people automatically abandon any basic morality.

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>>131896511
you know :) but the gravity control tech was given by 'greys' and hitler himself was controlled opposition to destroy the best and brightest of white european men(genes,iq,worior mentality,etc)

>>131901364
Personally I'm not even anti-capitalist. I just regard the present situation as one that requires the mobilization and application of force beyond the means of mutually-consenting individuals. Debates over economy are like debates over what's for dinner that evening, no matter what we're still having it and we aren't going to starve.

I have no real attachment to any economic theory. I still remember my libertarian days and still find Austrian economics pretty compelling. The only real change was I recognized the importance of high-trust, and therefore homogeneous, societies. I wouldn't even be bothered if we played out Hayek's transitional-dictatorship, my attachment isn't to cool uniforms and flags, but well-being of my people. If we reach a stage where our discussions aren't how to protect them, but how to empower them, then if libertarians can create a compelling enough case, I'd support them.

>>131898873

are you stupid?

what happens if you dont pay your loan back today? you will be fined/jailed and the taxpayers will cover the cost.

>>131901820
>oh lol, look who is talking
we're not the ones with Centers for Stateless dauther-molestation

>Sure, out of love he accepted Germany to be bombed into ashes.
Better to have someone you love die from trying to save them, than suffer for ages from inaction.

>>131889559
It's nothing unusual; it's something that was done for years. It's done, in theory, in Muslim countries, although they often charge interest in more... creative ways.

>>131902500
The point of consumerism (which is caused intentionally by low interest rates and inflation) is that money changes hands faster. These transactions may not be very good for the economy, but the more money changes hands in an economy, the more tax revenue.

It's all about tax revenue, although increasing degeneracy is a perk.

>>131902223
>Okay I'm a retard someone explain to me Nazi economics. were they good or bad? I like what they did socially but haven't got a clue on their economics.
so good for so a few people.. oh shit.. what do..
Yes.. it worked.. It's not for people working for nothing.. but the state encourageging them to work for their people and for their people only. Their honor of their people.. statues with gold statues of various virtues. etc. Rebuilt germany back from the disaster after ww1. made US at that time look like a teddybear.. National Socialism is an ethnic adherent doctrine of building your nation up with the pride of your people being celebrated.. Nothing was impossible they did all this.. NEXT.. WAR of the (((allies))) and resisting to keep this thing that they had created.. with one imperial leader that all their democratic bullshit had never accomplished for them, because they always argue.. and easily taken over by others interests and it all goes to shit and we waste our time trying to figure that out.. why all voices should have same relevance.. They shouldn't have same relevance.. An ethnonationalistic tribe always accomplishes everything faster there's no disagreements, there's no ethnic boundary, there's no cultural differences, they just say if one says yes, they all say it, if one says no they all say it.. it's simpler it's good it's good objectively and subjectively.. *sliding down the hilll* shit.. .. and also can trade with others and be nice to others but they do things better on their own.. cheat sheat..

>everything i believed in is built on a lie
welcome :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFW-WfuX2Dk&spfreload=10
don't get me started on justin trudeaux.. it's current year and he's still a tard..

>>131902958
>is that money changes hands faster
pfffffftttt, explains the massive fall in velocity of money post 2008

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>>131902601
Yeah like basing your entire country on Jewish tier capitalism and consumerism is moral.

Letting orphaned children literally starve to death screams moral to me. Ancap is just as Jewish as Marxism.

B-but ignore the jews in the movement because their based jews just like based black libertarians

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>>131902643
Gravity doesn't exist, it's just buoyancy and density. Greys might but they're not from space.

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>>131902981
There's clever people in here and there's people who make high intellect to shame that just observe you.
>recommend biting off more than you can chew to anyone i certainly do..
>to the ones not knowing that.. >stick your foot in your mouth.
we're always watching.. we want everything to be great but it can't be great without your participation.. free will.. it's a bitch..

>>131902854
even your SS generals were childmolestors and rapists, e.g. Dirlewanger. The Bolshevik cult you're worshipping luckily is dead.

Didn't turn out well, did it? But if that's the way you wish to save yourself - go on.

>>131902958

if the government controls business, it can create useful things that people will want to buy without fear of losing wealth being the main driver, which will stimulate tax growth. otherwise vapid consumerism takes place where people are forced to spend money on plastic garbage

>>131903184
>oh, someone took the memeballs seriously

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvsEYmPKbF4

>>131903329
>Dirlewanger
The same one who got kicked from the party and then put in a fucking penal battalion. Unlike ancap, he wasn't one of the nazi party's leading ideological theorists.

>The Bolshevik cult you're worshipping luckily is dead. Didn't turn out well, did it?
Says the man whose impractical ideology has never even existed.

>>131889559
>>131890133

that's dumb

some interest is good for the economy, you dummies never heard of the multiplier effect, dum dums?

if there is no interest rate, all the bank can do is take the deposited X money and lend it to hanz, then they have to wait for hanz to pay it all back, and only then can they lend X to jozef

when banks charge an interest rate, the first time you lend X to hanz, you'll get back 1.2X, now you can lend jozef X and franz 0.2X, it's more efficient from round one, of course the jew fucks would take a bigger bite out of the profits as their margin grows wider, but it's the price you pay

in the long term the interest free economy is stagnant while a economy with interest is immeasurably more efficient and competitive

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The problem with usury and loan-sharking done by a centralized bank is that the bank can, at any time, stop issuing cheap credit in order to crash the economy and proceed to buy everyone's investments and capital for pennies on the dollar. The only ways to prevent this is through nationalization, forced de-centralization of banking, or regular jubilees.

>>131903737
as if Dirlewanger had been the only one, rape of BDM girls was quite common.

So why do you accuse us of anything rather than accusing yourself of pedophilia?

>>131902085
>>131901963
>>131901302

http://www.freenation.org/a/f24l2.html#2.2.1

>government owned bank lends money to start business with no interest
>Business pays tax
>Government redirects tax into bank

Et voila, bank makes profit without interest. That said, you (or they) have done NOTHING. You took a glass of water and moved it across the table.

The only thing this does is take the power away from (((bankers))) and give it to the government. The system hasn't changed, just a few players switched roles.

Whether the government is better at regulating banks than bankers - that's a day to day thing. Sure, maybe Hitler and his lads were better than the juden, but imagine if he won and shit and Merkel today had complete control over the money too?

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>>131903546
Someone took hans for real. Laughingcivilizednations.jpg

>Anarchism can work for real guiz trust me you dumb goys let capitalism run the """""Country""""". it's not like capitalism wants women in the work force and importation of cheap labour

Show me one anarchist society working, show me one mega consumerist capitalists rule everything nation having morality.

Just one

Ignore the jews in the movement though, dispite them being the key pushes and inventors of the movement. Just call yourself anarcashits and team up with the anacrho commies since they both agree on many things.

>>131903960
because you're literally the ones doing it today

>>131903149
Consumerism decreases in any downturn.
>>131903418
>fear of losing wealth
If something's unprofitable, that generally means you can't find people who find it valuable enough to justify its expense. There's no intrinsic value. A government official can't mandate that people consider a good valuable. The government's fearless overspending is a problem you can't solve except by limiting government. Additionally, there's less motivation for a private individual to compete with someone who has infinite money.

>>131903329
Haha.. it's all going to end somewhere isn't it?
all the pedomidget shit and you think they didn't know how you try to abrogate little kids sex into the mainstream.. All the useless things. where is the purity and the desire for it.. when you think it's not watched it always is.. there's a reason why when they come the mighty ones they can touch you and know you in an instant all your thoughts all your motivations all you ever were.. in an instant.. then what will you do. Even deep down you know it.. haha.. there's a logical equation for the shit you're doing.. you're fooling these people, you're not playing possum forever.
There's a nice movie.. it's a french movie.. it's called irreversible.. kind of makes you think.. it runs in backwards.. it stars off with him being nice to his wife.. they're about to have a child.. he loves her she loves him.. she gets raped by some fag.. at some s&d club.. totally fucking ruined.. goes in reverse right down to where he beats his head down beyond any recognition with a safety hydran.. then it goes in reverse right back to that point.. Actions have consequences.. careful what you do.. If you want me to be honest with you it actually starts with him fucking the guy up and you not knowing why.. and then i kind of spoiled the rest of the movie and they're laying in bed.. "i love you.. we should be together forever" not meant to be.. by TIME.. CHRONOS the criminal! hahaha.. careful the choices you make.. Movie is called hang on i link it for you.. i'm known for causing a disturbance.
https://gomovies.to/film/irreversible-9698/
when you know what it can result in, will YOU change your mind?

>>131903962
A 13 year old can agree to whore herself out and has the full understanding of an adult and all the jobs that come with being an adult since 13 year old kids never do stupid shit. Yeah great source kid fucker.

Also that implies that everyone follows that statist law. Sounds like your not anarchist to me

>>131903962
age of consent is 13 what it was in Spain until recently, like I said, there is no definition since all morally based stipulations always are up to discussion.

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>>131903972
Then we'd hit the next point in the cycle of the wheel of politics. Right now autocracy is the solution we need to solve the problems of ochlochracy (welfare state with mob rule). When autocracy decays we'll move on to the next step.

>>131904070
something haven't worked or existed yet doesn't mean it could not be on the agenda one day. NS at one time also didn't exist, came into existence, and died a violent death.

>>131904129
nope, we're elitists and leave such crap to you low class rabble.

Is NatSoc the new Islam?

>>131904393

>Clearly did not read the entire section since it addresses your strawman.

>>131904421
>>131904421
>age of consent is 13 what it was in Spain until recently, like I said, there is no definition since all morally based stipulations always are up to discussion.

It's not as fluid as your statement suggests. Stop worrying so much about being right.

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>>131904816
elitist incestual kiddie fiddlers

>>131904981
people are naturally conservative if they are not constantly brainwashed by etatists, letting people themselves decide on it is the best way to have a functioning society.

>>131904864
Natsoc is the better islam but don't kid yourself al ikhwan was just trying to fight for it because they had kuffar fighting kuffar for someone who didn't like the jews.. by grand mufti of hajj amini al husseini approvall.. it's all a shell game of who wants what the most.

they flocked to hitler cause they thought he was the mahdi in the first place.. he wasn't.

>>131890008
Fpbp

>>131904660
Is the state the real problem or is it the globalist system of merchant banks and centralized reserves owned by (((them)))? States don't even hold genuine political power anymore, just look at how the globalist agenda has barely even slowed down after electing Trump and Brexit. Our taxes are mainly going to pay off government debt to the money printers.

>>131889559
Thats absolutly EPIC, remove usury already :

>>131890314
shut up jew

>>131905178
Natsoc is fusion between the holy lineages that the jews constantly want to fuck with and the desire to do good for your nation by leaving no man/woman behind and uplifting each and every one of them.

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>>131905116
>we the Nazis have the moral authority on how children should be treated

>>131890165
jew detected

remove usury = remove 99% of the jewing

>>131904660
So communism hasn't actually been tried yet since it hasn't fully been introduced along with a society entirely governed by children. Good to know your ancap autism agrees with that.

>NS at one time also didn't exist, came into existence, and died a violent death.
natscoc existed in many ways in the monarchies of Europe and the Roman empire. Unlike anarchism which has never worked or existed. EVER
Also natsoc was put down because it threatened international profits, infact it was working great and then jews had to start a world war


>>131904981
>Clearly did not read the entire section since it addresses your strawman.

>though my own personal suspicion ishat 18 is rather too high. (I may change my mind as I grow older, especially if I have children!)

Ancaps are child and incest fuckers, ironically that's also entirely legal.

Ancap
Morality and a working society for longer then 20 years
Choose one

>>131905383
jew

>>131905383
The difference is you fuck the children before killing them

>>131904864
Christianity and most forms of paganism actually banned usury too. Even the Jews are only allowed (technically) to charge interest to gentiles (they don't really follow that rule anymore). This is one of the main reasons the banks have been funding the spread of atheism.

>>131905116


So the crimes of one person are the crimes of us all? Typical Nazi faggotry.

>>131905225
all you etatists did was establishing an entity which can be sucked dry by some very few, you're barking at the wrong tree.

>>131890331
Why would a hospital treat someone who's uninsured and probably won't be able to pay them back for their services?

>>131902643
what is that image?

>>131904393
In the absence of the state, your only safety net will be your in-groups. Ancapism encourages people to be highly in-group oriented, something you probably appreciate. Groups like this tend to be very socially conservative. Groups like this tend to have internal non-economically-derived hierarchies where the elders make decisions about stuff like this, and they make good decisions more often than not.

There's no denying there'll be pockets of criminality, but there are pockets of criminality even under statism.

Also guys, there's a lot of divide-and-conquer in here so don't walk away with a grudge. We actually agree on most things.

>>131891097
very low usury is still usury, GOAWAY, it should be 100% removed, u jew jewed jew slave

>>131905168
>people are naturally conservative if they are not constantly brainwashed by etatists, letting people themselves decide on it is the best way to have a functioning society.

There is a limit to that, which is why you're having such a problem. Children are incompetent and this fact justifies guardianship over them.

Besides, the stormfaggots are trying to derail their own thread because they would fail a fair debate about economics.

>>131905496

There is still no evidence of either. That and people aren't responsible for the crimes of others. You defend Shitler, so it's understandable that you would be severely butthurt about the facts.

>>131889559
remember to 100% remove usury,
even low rates, 0.000000000000000001% is still jewing,
anyone telling u otherwise is either dumb, or a jew

>>131905548
Someone somewhere will have that power or seize that power no matter what. Would you rather have the power in the hands of a rootless international clique of profiteers or a goverment consisting of your fellow countrymen who are peers in race and nationality?

>germans claim to be the master race
>german people are so stupid they dont understand how banks work
>they must ban them instead
lmao

>>131905883
>doesnt understand shit about basic finance
>calls others dumb

>>131905457
>Ancaps are child and incest fuckers, ironically that's also entirely legal.

cool red herring, bro.

>Ancap
>Morality and a working society for longer then 20 years
>Choose one

Cool false dichotomy, bro.

>>131905562
Don't worry about norwegians, they're shielded by the danes for all kinds of heartship so they live in a fantasyworld still at the behest of others protecting them.. They need to come down from their high castle and join us in deliberating.

Did you know that in norway tesla cars are the most common thing? because the norwegians have such a things as the sovereign fund which finances all of that shit so they can act holier than though by having tesla cars and state paid stations because of that situation of this billion dollar fund of their oil reserve. So they can virtue signal about how awesome they are, you see how danes need to keep these ego's in check and abrazen to reality don't you ? :) norwegians and swedes are princess on the pea whilst danes after losing the trinity connection got btfo by the krauts.. prety powerful motherfuckers.. took slesvig holsten back.. what were you doing..

In other words don't mind what they're doing they're just in a mind of their own..

>>131905457
>So communism hasn't actually been tried
what? https://trutherator.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/karl-marx-communist-manifesto-and-how-his-central-banks-advocacy-robs-the-workers-of-the-world/

>natscoc existed in many ways in the monarchies of Europe and the Roman empire
BS, your mobrule was the very opposite of it. It came into existence during the Jacobin revolution.
>Unlike anarchism which has never worked or existed. EVER
Self-rule and self governing, creating prosperity, well existed.
>Also natsoc was put down because it threatened international profits, infact it was working great
incomprehensible gibberish. NS economy paid raw materials in gold, international customers well profited from that.
>then jews had to start a world war
I didn't know Hitler and the NS were Jews

>>131906037
This is why we were always kings of them, because when it comes to pragmatism, we rule! and protect these cunts so they can live their stupid little lives oblivious.

>>131905645
How can you preserve in-groups when (((they))) are doing all they can to destroy them? Without the power of the state backing in-groups and expelling parasites, globalism and liberalism inevitably take hold.

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>>131902693
see
>>131905645
Ancapism encourages both religious and ethnic homogeneity.
pic related

>>131906192
Not to say that they can't bring fire but that's another configuration, they're resting on their laurels whilst europe is burning.. They're used to ah denmark handle it.. no worries..

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>>131890165
They nationalized not only all the banks but all unions and almost all insurance. Shoemakers in 1935 got more vacation time than I get a century later as a boilermaker.

Nationalizing the banks didn't kill Germany. Its reichsmark pegged to a basket of commodities and with 0% inflation target turned the world against Germany.

>>131905985
In Christian Europe interest of any kind was banned and we still had the most advanced societies on the globe.

>>131905985
usury will be deleted u nasty jew

>>131905496
>The difference is you fuck the children before killing them
now that justifies mass murder....

>>131905897
>Someone somewhere will have that power or seize that power no matter what.
It won't be you, that's the good news here.
> Would you rather have the power in the hands of a rootless international clique of profiteers or a goverment consisting of your fellow countrymen who are peers in race and nationality?
Ah yes, those racially pure peers - except almost all of them are trash, I'd rather go fishig with a black libertarian than with any of you white bolsheviks, national or not.

>>131905509
Seeing as how you were doing the same guess that makes you a nazi too ;^)

>>131905862
>no evidence
>literal confession
typical ancap rejection of reality

>>131905989
>my non-existent theoretical construct society which flat-out defies human nature worse than communism can never fail
at least you can play the "true ancap has never been tried" card and be completely correct

>>131906432
You sure about that? What periods are you talkin about

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>>131906432
This is a myth. Usury is obscene interest and the nationalized banks charged interest. The first international banking cartel was created by Christian Templars.

Interest was at the heart of the barter system and has existed in Europe for 10,000 years. Only the Muslims state interest is wrong, Christians only view obscene interest as wrong. Kikes made up this lie to explain their wealth, when really it's because they subjugated and raped half of Europe for half a century.

They got rich by literally giving away Germany's gold stockpiles to affluent globalist bankers.

>current year
>still falling for the NatSoc meme

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>>131906369

>>131906261
>Without the power of the state backing in-groups and expelling parasites
Modern states tend to do the opposite: subsidizing parasites and taxing in-groups disproportionately. If you could get rid of modern governments, you'd find the parasites in a sink-or-swim situation with nobody to help them other than their own people. You'd also find there would be less economic incentive to migrate (for various reasons.)
Anything would be better than the modern state.
also see pic >>131906274

>>131906521
So you admit you're a race-traitor, a nigger-lover, and don't mind the inevitable white genocide?

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>>131906645
How do you expect anyone to believe this shit?

>>131906369
The nazi germany was understood as a massive speedy recovery after the german reich ww1 stabaccle.. that others were envious of, right up till war was declared. There's few who can say that this recover of nazi germany was not unprecedented. Just have a look at how nazi germany look before the allies tore it to shreds..

few vids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRmyk-IfIsM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnWfHZkhr3U
spires and golden things.. very masculine. STRONG.. powerful.. embracing integrity unity as one tribe all these things.. BOOM.. wwII oh how much faggotry can we instill into one nation, scat porn, cuckoldry.. a defeated peoples.. may those who say they are defeated be stringed upon a square and executed.

Youth grows up.. taught they are shit.. this is where we are.. how afraid they are of these little youths to know how they have been lied to. And they have their own imagination aswell like never before.. When you tell a lie, the lie is going to find you out..

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>>131889559
Because Hitler imprisoned Baron De Rothschild and nationalized German banks.

>>131906538
>typical ancap rejection of reality

Typical stormfaggot shit tier debate tactics.
The claimant has the burden of proof.

>at least you can play the "true ancap has never been tried" card and be completely correct

It's certainly better than being tried for roughly a decade and being a myopic, catastrophically dystopian nightmare. Our time is ahead of us. You're in the dustbin of history and forever will be.

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>>131906538
>typical ancap rejection of reality
>>131907020
>Typical stormfaggot shit tier debate tactics.

>>131906521
>now that justifies mass murder....
in your case, yes

>>131905645
>In the absence of the state, your only safety net will be your in-groups.
And the point of natsoc was to administer the in-group at its largest possible size, the nation. i can appreciate the system's ability to work on a village or even a city level, but it becomes ineffective when addressing larger, outside forces with hostile intent.

>>131906274
That system is effective until a member of it decides to betray the in-group in favor of the out-group for personal gain. I'll acknowledge that that particular fault exists in all systems, but I feel that ancap, with its emphasis on ultra-individualistic freedom, would result in atomization and mercenary citizens with little attachment to the society. Essentially, the same thing we see today.

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>>131906776
Exactly. It's the same reason Qaddafi was toasted after he soaked up a few hundred tonnes of gold was talking about an Islamic dinar again.

Nationalizing the banks/insurance has been done all across Europe many times. It was his currency pegged to a basket of commodities which ensured the working man would never lose his purchasing power for basic goods. It had nothing to do with the kikes. Everyone at that time knew communism was created by/for kikes and almost everyone in the west wanted the commies exterminated.

>>131905985
there is zero science in economy, it all start to get fucked up at the moment people accept usury rates, aberrant taxes from governement contracted usury loans that they put on the shoulder of their citizens,

this is a real banking system for all your braincells to understand

1 - Banks are turned into SAFES run by government, their employees are mere policers paid by TAXES and they cannot do business or profit from customers, there is no customers

2 - No interest rate, nothing charged, nothing earned

3 - Money should be Gold, Silver, and real, not printed notes

4 - No employee is alllowed to touch what is in the safes, taxes are paid from citizen pockets

5 - If there is 5 gold piece and 10 silver, you must find back that in the same nature, not 50 silver pieces instead

6 - One's money should never be mixed with his neighboors, when one asks for his money it is here untouched in number, nature, and immediatly available

7 - OWNED ALL JEWS STRAIGHT TO HELL since there no science no beauty, no logic, no success in any jewish hand

>>131907020
Germany had the highest standard of living of any country in the 1930s. How is that dystopian?

>>131906923
>327x154

How do you expect anyone to read that shit?

>>131906442
usury is already banned, its not my fault you dont understand how inflation and value of money works

>>131906923
don't you have a smaller version of that chart?

Also, the basic claim is true, NS shipped gold to Switzerland and other neutral countries in order to pay their bills, no one wanted their "work based" Reichsmark paper scraps.

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>>131907020
>>131907179
You're on /pol/ faggot. No amount of JIDF stormfag posting is going to subvert and change this board from being aware of the Jewish issue. That was the whole purpose of this 'containment board' in the first place. I swear this polluting only makes us hate your inbred tribe even more than we already did.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion

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>>131907179

Nazis are JIDF shills.

Nazis are just commies but in a nation except they did try to take over the world. hmmmm

>>131907350
usury has never been banned, u have been fuked and jewed by "its low rate so its fine", so stupid !

>>131907020
>The claimant has the burden of proof.
I'm not really sure how you plan to have a legal system when a fucking confession doesn't count as proof.

>Our time is ahead of us.
just like true communism

>You're in the dustbin of history and forever will be.
and you're in the discount bin of half-price books

>>131907179
>Typical stormfaggot shit tier debate tactics.
meanwhile,
>ancap starts tossing out adhoms
>deflects all criticism
>intensifies whataboutism
>spams mspaint comics
about what I expected from teenagers who just discovered rand and mises

>>131907417
The fact that antifa and the hammer and sickle are in the "civilized" section is proof you're a faggot.

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>>131907417
>>131907576
You filthy rats are going to pay for your crimes against humanity. Polluting our board and trying to hide that Jew NKVD head Yagoda famined 6,000,000+ European Christians in the 1930's, or that the 1918 German Communist Revolution was 90% Jewish led only proves that deportations won't be enough.

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The book Web of Debt makes the case that charging any fixed rate of interest on a loan is against nature, since nature is variable from season to season and year to year. For this reason you cannot know if an investment will return a yield sufficient to pay the fixed interest.

>>131906941
>Hitler takes over in the worst year of the Great Depression (1933)
>Entire world comes out of the Great Depression afterwards including Germany
>Responsible for saving the German Economy was Finance Minister Hjalmar Schacht who followed policies similar to Roosevelt's New Deal
Stormfags:
MUH COMMUNIST JEWISH ROOSEVELT
MUH GERMAN ECONOMIC MIRACLE

>After 1941, Schacht is dismissed from his post without even a thank you note
>Nazis go full commie-tier
>Göering placed as Reichmarshall with broad powers over the economy
>Nationalizations, expropiations, laws against"economic sabotage", rationing, shortages appear as in all Soviet command economies

If the Nazis had won the war, Europe would have looked like a gigantic North Korea. (Kinda like Franco's Spain did until he enacted free market reforms in the 1960s)

>>131906538
>Seeing as how you were doing the same guess that makes you a nazi too ;^)

OH, I missed that. Notice how your sorry stormkike ass conveniently missed the following:

>>131905862
>You defend Shitler, so it's understandable that you would be severely butthurt about the facts.

>>131907355
>I post a pic of some Jews
>I rant against Jews while worshipping a Judaistic messiah and a quasi zionist ideology

"What else is the belief in the special divine election of the German people, but the Jewish idea of the Chosen People, transferred to Germany? And what else is Hitlerism unless it is these two credos: first, that the Germans are God's Chosen People, by nature superiour to all other people, predestinated to rule the world and to bring salvation to it; and secondly, that Hitler is the chosen prophet of the chosen people?"

(Michael Burleigh - Sacred Causes page 121)

You know what the beauty of life is, it's the absensce of your failure.. by wood or by tree.. by forest or by ocean by wind or by sea.. it has honesty.. it is spectacular.. the forest what is it? essentially? oxygen facilitators. Beautiful nuanced.. relative to where they grow.. what is the reason they are.. it is water.. where is the water.. the ocean.. across the groundwater underneath it carries a maze without judgement.. the water flows it seeks no direction except it flows.. It can erect the most beautiful palisades. And the most irellevant things in return. The most disgusting thing is that those who work well do not matter about those who work for the lower segments. They are each to their own.. and they have to die. so that something better can replace them. More than we can ever have a dialogue about.. Justice.. it's finite and like compassion we throw it out..

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>>131907641
They're JIDF kikes. These inbreds know that 6/8 of the mises founders were kikes and that Jewish lolbertarianism was just the path to the replacement of white Americans and the introduction of Jewish communism. Ala Bernie Sanders.

They hate that young goyim from the left and the right are getting sick and tired of their cancer of a race and they think polluting our board and making up garbage will prevent assbooting #360.

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>>131907417
>here comes ju-pol
>says the guy hanging out with homos, democrats, pinkoes, and anarcho communists
physically remove yourself

>>131906886
Modern states are ZOGs though, that's the whole point of anchoring the state to race and ethnicity. You'd avoid the problems you're talking about.

>>131907700

They're not, but they're more civilized than you.

>>131907711

>muh kike

Controlled opposition is controlled.

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Where can I read a pdf of the original Mein Kampf??!!

>>131890738
You are saying that banks became equity investors in businesses by buying stock, rather then lending money at fixed interest rates.

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>>131907958

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>>131907817
>if i just keep name calling and ignore the confession people will think im winning

>>131907755
>"Entire world comes out of the Great Depression"
The United States was still in the Great Depression until it started making fat fucking bank off producing guns, bullets, ships, etc. The revival of its economy was the war.

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>>131907836
Hitler wanted the kike cancer removed from his lands and nobody disputes that he tried to do this peacefully. 90% of the 1918 German Communist Revolution leaders were Jewish and Hitler watched kike NKVD head Yagoda famine 6,000,000+ European Christians right as he was coming to power don't forget.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Every one of you inbred kikes are going to be relocated to camp Israel very soon. Your polluting of this board nonstop proves that these deportations won't be enough however.

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>>131907303
You are going to have to source that statement faggot

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>>131908076
>that pic
Welcome to 4chan newfriend!

>>131908015
Orginal you mean in German?

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>>131890633
>money is a good

>>131908142
Wrong. See >>131908227

>>131890958
>>131894270
Germany has always been economically very strong, and the nation was already highly industrialized

The Nazis did a lot of things right, but let's not prop them up to be more than they were

>>131907264
doesnt get any better than this

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>>131908181
>>131907836
This Rabbi believes that Hitler had the right to wipe Jewry completely from Europe for their crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

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>>131907986
Anarchists literally want to destroy the hierchical system that makes civilized society possible on the first place. The only men of your ilk who have ideas that actually reflect reality are the anarcho-primitivists. At least they admit that anarchy will lead to the collapse of complex society and a return to hunter-gathering/subsistence agriculture.

>>131908227
>what is Great Depression in west, what is Bolshevism in east

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>>131894969
Hitler saw the war on Ideological terms. He didn't saw things from the grand strategical term. He never considered he would have to invade England.

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>>131908303
>we're not ultra-materialists we swear
another decent political discussion, ruined by ancap shitflinging

>>131891934
yea but you are German you only study jewish garbage in university

>>131908181
the point is NS bases upon Judaistic principles.
The removal was not that peaceful, and in 1941 all Jews were banned from moving out.
Most leaders of the working class/communists were no Jews.
Hiltler collaborated with the KKVD at that time - forgot about the NS-German-Soviet treaty?

>Every one of you inbred kikes are going to be relocated to camp Israel very soon. Your polluting of this board nonstop proves that these deportations won't be enough however.

Dunno who is adressed here, but you sound angry.

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>>131908411
They nationalized the banks/insurance/unions but more importantly they created a currency pegged to not gold (or nothing) but a basket of commodities. This ensured that the German worker would never again lose his purchasing power and this is why in 1934 not 1933 the world turned on Germany.