What is the goal of denying Holocaust and gas chambers?

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>>131883507
Nah it's just that all nationalism gets compared to nazism nowadays and all you need is one Jew crying about the Shoah to get people's emotions going.

>>131883507
Can you show me a picture of the gas operator room and not just the classical bathroom?
I mean the gas must come from somewhere RIGHT...

>>131883507
Because the deaths in the supposed holocaust actually came from starvation and typhus when their supply lines were bombed by the Allies. The Allies, being the cowards that they are, never wanted to take responsibility for getting so many civilian casualties. That's why they got a movie director to mold the holocaust into their perfect narrative to blame on Germany. It's the ultimate story of "The Allies wur da gud guys we dindu nuffins".

>>131883507
actually it's a foot-in-the-door tactic to make people suspend their disbelief for just long enough to instill them with fringe right-wing beliefs

/pol/'s """satire""" serves the exact same purpose.

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>>131883507
top being such an intolerant bigot and reprehensible naziphobe

>>131884936
>Because the deaths in the supposed holocaust actually came from starvation and typhus when their supply lines were bombed by the Allies.

Did the allies put all these people in concentration camps in the first place too?

>>131883507
answer just one or two of these 46 questions

https://codoh.com/library/document/987/

i dont expect full answers since they are difficult and complicated questions. can we have a good faith debate though with no name calling? i am not a neo nazi or an anti semite, but i believe the official holocaust story has serious holes - and the revision of numbers in recent years has justified skepticism (I was taught that at least a million were killed at Majdanek, now the official number is 78,000).

I don't deny the serious atrocities comitted by the nazis, it is clear that many people were taken from their homes and forced into camps. But this event has been shown to be propagandized beyond all proportion. Surely you must cede some of this ground!

>>131883507
Holocaust didn't happen. They were work camps that were starved when trade routes to Germans were severed by allied forces. The emaciated look of the Jews confirmed this. If they were killing the Jews, then the number would be confirmable, but it's all over the place. There's never been damning evidence to confirm the holocaust. It's like a boogeyman, similar to the great big bad trump.

More white people died than Jews in World War 2.

Facts are facts.

>>131885337
He is correct. The work camps were never intended to be death camps but due to war time aggression clamping down on supply routes, emaciation became commonplace in work camps.

>>131883507
>1 post by this ID

>>131884936
I wouldn't argue who's to blame fo the deaths outright. Passing the blame is just throwing up walls. Start with disproving the gas chambers as the sole issue. Historical fact over propaganda, even concede (i know concessions seem verboten but hear me out) that Germans had to make a decision to stop supplying the camps because they didn't care for the malcontents over their own, and compare it to Japanese and German internment by America. It's obvious Natsoc Germany never wanted these people in their society, but to pretend they hated them so much as to leave an invisible monetary sink to kill them via subversion in the middle of war is silly soviet propaganda.

Really do work the Soviet angle, it opens the jews as communist redpill, shows the divide of nationalist people and communist diaspora and the malice between them. It helps frame jews and their wishes as the other. Optics are important, this has to be about explicitly historical accuracy, let all the implicit nation-state relationship stuff that involves Jews have to be realigned around that seperately.

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>>131885337
have you seen the pictures of these so called gas chambers? wooden doors? really?

you expect us to believe they made gas chambers with wooden doors?

wooden doors that open inwards?

Did the gas chambers really have wooden doors that didn't seal?
Just curious

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>>131883507
>Asks a question and then proceeds to answer it himself

OP I think you suffer from autistic faggotry , very serious amd needs medical attention.

Saged

>lol fuck white ppl I hope they all die
>OMG how can you be a white nationalist that's hateful!!!!

>>131885337
In America we put japanese into camps.

>>131883507
My goal is to get people to mock the holocaust and not give a shit about some dead jews family

the holocaust is vastly blown out of proportion to keep people scared to criticize the jews... just saying

what's the point in spreading lies about the death count? that's done all the time when people mention the holocaust and in spite of the number of deaths being hugely exaggerated it's "wrong" to question it

couldn't it be a matter of idk... the jews who control the media and many big businesses etc playing on sympathy through lies as a method of control?

seems plausible to me when you look at the actual facts behind the holocaust

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>>131883507
Bump

Point out why Hitler never used gas. You know, how he got gassed, changed his mustache and refused to use it on enemies in WW2 because of it. Then ask, if his army had a surplus, why wouldn't they use that instead of delousing agents?

>>131883507
so we don't keep bowing down to jews and their jew demands because poor me we wuz in gasz chambers and shiet

>>131886229
We did the same up here.

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>>131883507
you win dumbest thread of the day

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>>131883507
>What is the goal of denying Holocaust and gas chambers? Anonymous (ID: F1PGE0Jc) 06/30/17(Fri)15:21:07 No.131883

>>131885337
No retard the Allies did not put those people in concentration camps. But that's not the point. The point is that the concentration camps were not the death camps they're portrayed to be.

>>131888201

the allies just put other people into concentration camps and in places like the us where only pearl harbor was actually attacked the camps/prisoners were safe from military attacks by opposing forces

it's almost like a safer location for a concentration camp causes less problems

i wonder why the nazi camps weren't safe... couldn't have been the allied forces actively attacking; no way right?

>>131888435

sorry should've also quoted >>131885337

i meant to add to your point

>>131883507
A better question is why you retarded leftists always have to talk about muh feelings and muh motives.
You idiots can't even comprehend the concept that someone might be speaking what they're thinking.
Leftist brainlet pieces of shit do this all the time. They never address the facts, they simply look at the person speaking the truth and ask ''oy vey, why is he saying this? What is his motive? What emotions is he feeeeeeeeeeeling?''
These pieces of shit to this every single time.

>>131888695

i'm on the left ideology wise, i still know the holocaust is vastly overblown garbage used by jews (who control the media and big business) to manipulate people

not everyone on the left is the same person, it's not like it's the borg or some shit

>>131886229
And Germans
And Italians

>>131883507
What's the goal?
Truth

>>131889431
This

>>131889431
Define the left and explain how you're one of them

>>131885642
Source?

>>131883507
It's just because it triggers faggots like you OP

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>>131883507
the holocaust is the cornerstone of the new state religion for the goyim
it's at the top of the legal pyramid
it is the most sacred victims narrative
we honor their fictional deaths and iignore the deaths of our own ancestors which they perpetrated
it is the spearhead of the white genocide agenda
they use it openly and literally to justify white genocide, in word and in policy

>>131883507
Wanting to "be a normie" and convincing normies of the truth are two extremely different things.

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>>131883507
Kikes constantly shit on everything whites hold sacred and ridicule whites as inbred hillbillies, why shouldnt whites mock the most sacred event in Jewish history in return

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YbkrSfccts

>>131889793
Economically the left is socialistic. Socially the left values collectivism over individualism.Some may say that National Socialism is actually a leftist ideology.

>>131885794
and a retarded post at that:showing lack of argumentation skill and even of understanding of our position
but we dont care, we still lay down the law and the redpill

>>131889793

i believe that the government (not the current one, that's beyond repair and needs to be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up) should provide things like healthcare, housing, and education to its people

i see no point in obeying laws and accepting a government that doesn't benefit people on any of the most basic levels people need to survive

serves no purpose as far as i'm concerned

i also think the fixation on money is rather useless though i don't necessarily think it should be completely abolished (i see nothing wrong with small businesses for example)

at the same time i'm pro a lot of social freedoms and pro gun etc because i don't believe a government should have that much power over what should be personal matters or in the case of guns necessary freedoms

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>>131883507
>Deep down you want to be able to be normies and yet at the same time be able to stick to your ideology
Or maybe because they want their ideology to become state and throw cuckolds like you out of helicopters straight into the oven (after a fair trial)

But no, it's not a tool.

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>>131883507
>asks a question
>then proceeds to tell you the answer

i recommend suicide

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>>131884911
>I mean the gas must come from somewhere RIGHT

Holes in the ceiling.

>>131884936
>Because the deaths in the supposed holocaust actually came from starvation and typhus when their supply lines were bombed by the Allies. The Allies, being the cowards that they are, never wanted to take responsibility for getting so many civilian casualties.

Name me one concentration camp whose supply lines were irreparably damaged by allied bombing so that historians can conclude the inmates suffered because of the allied bombing. If you say Nordhausen, you lose because that was not a concentration camp.

>>131885338
first, kindly answer the questions in pic related

>There's never been damning evidence to confirm the holocaust.

Explain the census difference between pre-war Jewish world population (16 million) and post-war Jewish world population based on the first actual post-war census in 1949 (11 million).

>>131885959
>you expect us to believe they made gas chambers with wooden doors?

nobody, neither historian, nor camp authority, is trying to tell anyone the pictured wooden door in your pic is an Auschwitz homicidal gas chamber door.

>>131885965
why is a proper seal so important? the clothes delousing chambers had wooden doors that didnt seal fully. yet nobody in a radius around the delousing chambers was killed...why? because zyklon-b rapidly loses its toxicity when it is vented into the open air.

>>131887706
please tell me what you are trying to say with this image.

>>131889793

btw all this >>131890318 being said i do think when it comes to money citizens really should start considering alternatives since currency substitution is a right and would help crash things in places that need to be taken out

>>131883507
First step to realizing the breadth and depth of the Jewish deception

>>131890674
Spoken like a true Communist.

>>131888201
That's not the point either. The point is they rounded up people to use as slave labour, and they worked them to death in inhuman conditions. Blaming the allies bombing supply lines for their death is beyond unfair. If they couldn't feed the prisoners, they could just let them go

>>131890674
BTW I'm not being sarcastic. This is a Communist viewpoint.

>>131891166

if you'd rather continue to base your life around jewish controlled money i suppose that's your choice, but it's not doing the world any favors

What I don't understand is the same people that say the holocaust is a lie, still support it's motive of extermination.

>>131884911
Yeah I'm sure you've toured the facilities and arent just basing this on a random picture you saw on the internet.

>>131884911
It came from a diesel truck that also emitted carbon monoxide and could kill 70 people in 40 minutes. It's well documented.

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What germany did was no better or worse than USA did to japs; only...the Americans were better supplied. Thats why we keep arguing to remove holocaust stigma, its bullshit used to bash down nationalism. Once holocaust meme dies it will help us grow bigly

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>>131891221
You are a special kind of stupid aren't you?

>>131891382
What's hard to understand about that?

>>131891493

>What germany did was no better or worse than USA did to japs

Please tell me more about all the back breaking hard labor Japanese Americans had to do from dawn till dusk in the internment camps.

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>>131890579
hey (((AAOOROOON)))

do you have any autopsy reports of victims who were gassed?

>>131891263

well i said i was on the left, i'm just extremely far from being an authoritarian

anarcho-communist (not antifa, they're a bunch of poorly organized retards attacking the wrong things/people and striking emotionally, recklessly, and ineffectually) so yeah...

still it's just one tool to bringing down corruption, even if communism wasn't instated after a revolution is still necessary given the current state of corruption in the government/big business/the media

part of hurting those groups would be currency substitution, but obviously there's a lot more to it

devaluing what gives your masters power is part of the process of taking back control

>>131883507
It really is pathetic OP
>GAS THE NIGGERS AND KIKES
>You know Hitler never gassed anyone right? He was the good guy!

fucking NS doublethink.

>>131891679
What's the point in denying the holocaust if you support killing the jews anyway? Why not just embrace what Hitler did to them?

>>131891820
Because the truth is more important than a history I would have preferred.

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>>131891820
We do it for the lulz

>>131891382

just because a point in history was grossly exaggerated doesn't mean there's no logic behind the idea of it

hitler wasn't wrong about jews being largely in control of major things and where their loyalties actually lie

of course that doesn't extend to every jew, but let's be real here what hitler had an issue with is still one today

why do you think the us is so far up israel's ass? fighting their wars for their "chosen people" laying down american lives for their bullshit etc

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>>131883507
>want to be normies
who on their right mind would want to have anything to do with those plebs, i'm an aristocrat of the soul man.

>>131891382
I don't understand your point or care either. It doesn't matter if Hitler was right or wrong or average or whatever. The important thing is that the holocaust did not happen anything like it's portrayed in history books. Jew's were not gassed to death and there were no gas chambers. There is countless evidence supporting that and literally none suggesting otherwise.


I've spent a long time researching this and made a thread two days ago where we broke down all of the main arguments. There is literally nothing proving it happened and tons of things proving it didn't.

I don't care how you interpret the meaning of that, commie.

>>131891820

the fact is the holocaust is exaggerated to play to people's sympathy towards the jews and making it hard to criticize them

why spread misinformation knowingly and willingly whether you're a sympathizer or not?

>>131891695

of course I do:

holocaustcontroversies (dot) blogspot (dor) in/2012/09/friedrich-paul-berg-yelled-for-photos (dot) html

now can this stale "no autopsy of any gassing victim was ever done" copy pasta die? thanks.

>>131891700
Communism sounds good, but there is a few problems. You use socialism to take down capitalism. However, the goal is eventually take down the state as well. What makes you think a government would give up it's control when you gave it so much power through socialism. I think once people are in power, they want to keep it.

>>131883507
For me it's not about politics but rather the truth and what actually happened. the story we've been fed quite frankly is logistically impossible. I'm not saying people weren't gassed, but the numbers just can not be. It's claimed 6k were gassed a day at Auschwitz's peak. The process of filling the gas chambers with hundreds of people, gassing them, removing the bodys by hand and then cremating them. It's just not possible.

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>>131892213
link an archive, or gtfo

>>131883507
The point is not blindly believing that 6 million people were killed while offered no evidence supporting that claim

>>131892290
How is that impossible?

I wanna know why they were gassing Jews with pesticides?

>>131885959
If the holohoax is a hoax, why would they hoax it so incompetently?

>>131883507
People who deny the holocaust are ashamed of it and the criticism that they would receive for supporting it.

If you believe Hitler was right then you should openly celebrate it and be angry or sad that it wasn't completed.

>>131892445

why gas them with expensive tabun or sarin if a pesticide does the same job in 20 mins?

>>131892218

that's the nature and risk of any form of government isn't it?

i'm pro gun and people having access to some military grade weapons as a means of providing a check to those in power (completely support the idea behind the second amendment and think it's extremely important that people actually acknowledge and utilize that right to check the government and exert a form of control)

capitalism is just as corrupt as any other system can be, just look at the state of the world and the us under it

power isn't something that can be taken lightly and there will always be problems, however i don't see that as a reason to keep doing something that isn't working out just because it's what we're used to

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>>131892418
Is that a serious question? Look it up on YouTube there's a bunch of videos explaining how retarded the numbers are.

>>131883507
I honestly think it has to do with experience. Ive traveled, im another aspiring engineer. It should be physically observable that killing 6million jews would need 5 trains back and forth with dedicated rail systems more complex than new york. On top of that, walls made of human bones an baseball field sized crypts could only hold 60k people. It makes you question things when you visit Auschwitz. Probably the creepiest feeling in the entire world. You can feel the death, but as you look around you cant imagine that many people. If you dont question you dont think therefore you are a sheep

>>131892513
because they were unfamiliar with the science, and arrogant

if it's true, why are there laws against questioning it?

>>131892624
No, Zyklon was a pesticide developed for farmers.
Tell me how you know these other nerve agents are somehow more expensive to produce instead of repurposing the German equivalent if Raid.
You can't because the Holocaust didn't happen and the Jews are losing moral authority over the goyim.

>>131892213
>giving him a source that actually requires reading and not an infographic for retards

>>131892754

>11 million, or even 6 million people were all killed in the camps

The autism of these memes' maker never ceases to amaze me.

>>131884564
>posting a nazi flag but complains about nazism on a nazi board

>>131892603

supporting an ideology shouldn't come at the price of denying facts

>>131883507
>someone truly believes that it didn't happen
I believe it didn't happen. I spent a whole month researching and my opinion kept shifting between the two, mostly because Jews are so adept at bullshit and lies

It didn't happen

>>131892624

It doesn't.

>>131892513
They didn't really have a lot of time. A lot was gradually added over time after the fact, but most of the buildings and rooms were already there. They just lied about the purposes of each room.

I'll post links in a minute if you're actually curious

>>131885337
They put their own enemies in their concentration camps, they just didn't get bombed so not as many of them died. They also won which meant they could accuse the losers of whatever they wished.

>>131892850
There are only laws against questioning it in some countries. Is it a hoax in some countries and true in others?

>>131883507
It's mainly because american germ invaders don't want to go to concentration camps like the chinks did during ww2. Not that there is anything wrong with that, i wish we did that a long time ago here.

Oh wow a holocaust thread.
Whenever I make one about debunking all your shit holocaust denying trash, my thread gets instantly deleted by some literaly nazi janitor.

Stop calling it a denial when people question the statistics, logistics, motives, and morality.

Your fantasy story version of the holocaust is a denial of reality already. Questioning those base assumptions is merely a pursuit for truth and accuracy.

Why do you have a problem with the pursuit for truth?

If the facts were solid (i.e. they are actually facts) then we wouldn't have to question them so much.

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>>131893026

>I spent a whole month researching
>a whole month

Would you like a medal?

>It doesn't.
Please explain to everyone in this thread why you believe hydrogen cyanide outgassing from Zyklon-B pellets does not kill 1500 people in a room within half an hour.

>>131893026
One really telling thing are the "experts" in disproving holocaust deniers. Meaning they're experts on proving why the holocaust really happened.

Only problem is they don't ever have any arguments. Their "proof":
>people still believe Elvis is alive
>Neo Nazis deny the holocaust

>>131892850
guess what, pale nerd, turns out the """"holodomor"""" is also fake, because there's a law against questioning it somewhere: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor#Holodomor_denial_in_Ukrainian_law

>>131893372
Post proof now then. A lot of people are genuinely curious because it's hard to find .

>>131893438
A month is more than enough time to read enough literature on the subject and reach a valid conclusion. Time shouldn't matter so much as what you use to research the topic.

>>131893256
you need to take a logic class

>>131891221
>they could just let them go

You are a special class of retard, aren't you. Let them go? To do what? Be hunter gatherers in a desimated Europe? And you don't win a war by letting prisoners go.

>>131893256

anyone who lives in a place where they can't legally question an exaggerated historical event should really consider getting off their ass and revolting

it's disgusting for an entire country full of people to allow their government control on a level where legit questions (or even ones that aren't) are illegal

>>131883507
>why does /pol/ not believe in the holocaust?

Nigger /pol/ does believe it happens, we just don't believe 6 million Jews were killed, it was probably less then 300,000 at best simply because there was no fucking possible way to have burned and gassed that many Jews.

>>131892925
Saying 6 million didn't die in the camps is true but ironically proves deniers don't know anything about the holocaust.

>>131893384

>If the facts were solid (i.e. they are actually facts) then we wouldn't have to question them so much.

You don't question things because they are wonky, you question things because you have a motive, in this case, personally don't like to accept that they happened, because a great ill befalling Jews makes you angry because they the survivors gained international sympathy as a result.

For instance, nobody really questions WW2's 60 million death toll, even though we never have and never will find all the graves.

>>131892418
They had no mechanized way of removing bodies. They had to 1 by 1 pick up dead bodies and either move them to an elevator or out the door to the crematorium, it would take literally hours to empty a gas chamber full of a few hundred dead people. Let's say they were able to miraculously gas and remove 6k bodies, then comes the problem of actually cremating them. You can even go on jewish websites who list the capability of Auschwitz crematoria's, the highest figure they have is 4.4k bodies / 24 hours, and that would be running at maximum efficiency. So we'd would be left with AT LEAST 1.6k bodies a day, which means we would need mass graves to account for this, which they don't exist. Jews were clearly gassed during WW2, but the numbers have been greatly exaggerated and there are many flaws to the "original story".

>>131891483
>Diesel exhast contains cyanide
doubt.jpg

>>131883507
lel

There is no 'goal' you faggot. It's about the truth, you dumb cunt.

>>131893470
tu quoque?

>>131893786
>deniers don't know anything about the holocaust.
Well most of us were taught that literally six million Jews were killed during the Holocaust by gas chambers.

I know the "official" number has been changed like six million times, but the commonly taught popular belief is six million via gas chambers.

>>131885959
Colorado sure does love its gas chambers.

>>131893753
Agree there.

>>131891781
There is no doublethink in that.

>I think we should go to Mars
>We haven't been yet
>Lol what I thought you said we should go to Mars? Be consistent.

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Someone prove this info false, please

>>131893795
No, I question things because they're wonky. Quit projecting, you sheisty rat.

>>131893974

they're good for hot boxing

>>131891688
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Canadian_internment
I know we sure did to the nips what the krauts really did to the kikes.

>>131893973

>but the commonly taught popular belief is six million via gas chambers.

you staunch assertion doesn't even pass for anecdotal evidence, lel.

I was taught about the high mortality rate in ghettos a great deal during my time in school. As well as death marches and forest shootings like Babi Yar. In fact we didn't even bring up gassing all that much and rather focused on the Nuremberg laws, Jews trying to get out of Europe via emigration, survivor stories as to how they started a life after the war etc.

The irony of (((their))) plan is that, while it worked on most people to lie about a (((holocaust))), some people, like myself, took it a different way. Being lied to about this major part of history did nothing but normalize the (((holocaust))) to me, and now I want a real one.
Hitler did not kill 6 million Jews. We should learn from his mistake.

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>>131893795
>You don't question things because they are wonky, you question things because you have a motive

Fine, our motive is uncovering the truth because the "truth" seems a little wonky.

>>131893438
It does make one wonder though, germany did make a lot of chemical weapons during the war to be used by the wehrmacht in the case the allies or the soviets start to gas everything surely some small portion of these stocks of actually lethal gasses could have been used for the purpose of gassing the jews. Like what is the rationale for the use of zyklon in this matter instead of a real nerve gas like sarin which they also had available at the time.

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>>131883507
I'm no Nazi,I actually think Nazis are just as bad as commies with thier deluded fantasies

But I don't buy the Holocaust bullshit
>6 millions
Nah I don't believe it
And if it did happens,WHO CARES?
what is six million compared to the 100million dead thanks to the war?

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>>131892213
>holocaustcontroversies (dot) blogspot (dor) in/2012/09/friedrich-paul-berg-yelled-for-photos (dot) html
> page does not exist
> also site is def biased

nice try Juden
I wish Kristallnacht happened again just because of your posts

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>>131894176
>Someone prove this info false, please

simple. try to find the images listed as "fake pictures" so that they do not appear together with the originals, i.e. they appear by themselves. E.g. in an alleged soviet book, or jewish publication, or any other atrocity propaganda leaflet.

Protip: you wont be able to.
Conclusion: the "fakes" were doctored by a neo nazi who then pasted them side-by-side with the real ones and said "ha! look what we uncovered!"

As for the "this man is not german", he actually is, pic very related, notice the same dark cuffs.

>>131894349
You see my flag, right? Download one of our History books and see for yourself. I know our education system is fucked up, but it doesn't change the fact that the majority of Americans were taught that six million Jews were gassed in the Holocaust.

Who cares about muh staunch assertion and what kind of argument is that anyway? It doesn't change the fact that a huge amount of people have been completely lied to about the Holocaust. Go to a Holocaust museum and see for yourself.

>>131883507
Truth has no goal, only inherent objectivity.

What has a goal though is zionist propaganda. It's quite simple, actually: if the holocaust was real, there will be vast amounts of evidence of it happening. Why ban and criminalize research of something real and backed up by objective proof and data when such research would only steel (((your))) position. The answer is - you wouldn't.

Even the simplest and most superficial info digging shows very clearly how shaky and absurd the holohoax claims are, especially the ones by so called survivors.

>>131893438
Because all the "eyewitnesses" describe the process as someone throwing pesticide pellets trough a hole in the roof. In an underground room. In the freezing winter. No mechanisms of any kind to heat the gass, circulate it, then bring it out of the room. Absolutely nothing about this machinery. In 99% of eyewitnesses who swear they survived dozens gass chambers. Nothing in german documentation, plans, anything.

>>131894682
>Conclusion: the "fakes" were doctored by a neo nazi who then pasted them side-by-side with the real ones and said "ha! look what we uncovered!"
That's what I think may have happened which is why I've discredited that picture until someone can point me to some proof. I'm not as close minded as you think.

Still doesn't count as evidence it happened though.

>>131894300

If you know so much, you can begin by telling me the death toll of these internment camps. I can wait.

>>131890579
>>131891429
>>131893372
>>131893438
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCsy1VMblMM

>>131894781
Plus some of the most famous and decorated Nazis admitted that they had never seen any of that stuff going on at all.

>>131894912
Those internment camps didn't have their supply lines bombed. If they had, just as many would have died.

>>131894682
why does he have a yugoslavian rifle then?

>>131894912
There was never a war like that on Canadian or American soil...They were never before complete collapse.

>>131890579
Nice arguements there cuck. You totally convinced me

Why dont you kill yourself? Faggot

>>131883507
>What's the point

Is it illegal to question anywhere, yes or no?
>yes
It didn't happen. I don't care about a damned thing you have to say. I'll fight you until the ends of the Earth and your cowardice, and weakness, is pathetic.

>>131883507
If you deny the holocaust you may actually be retarded. This is a well known fact

>>131895335
>pedal powered masturbation machines

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>>131895555
the digits tho

>>131883507
Its about as real as global warming or evolution or the tooth fairy

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>>131883507
Mm permit me to doubt it my pussyass faggot chump

If you want a great rebuttal to the Holocaust Controversies blog, read The "Extermination Camps" of "Aktion Reinhard". It was written by three leading revisionists and it proves that the HC blog falsifies their sources. They have been denounced by official Holocaust sites for making fake sources

>>131894912
Pretty much none? But then again supplies weren't bombed and it's not like these camps had the ethnic tensions the Kraut camps had. Lot of prisoners killing prisoners if the pole who wrote that report is to be believed.

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>>131894781

The chambers during the freezing winter actually were not as cold as you think, considering their insulation due to being located underground.

Also, your assumption that the gas chambers were not heated is again disproven by documents that speak of installing a ventilation system that drafted warm air from the adjacent crematorium and introduced it into the chamber.

I can post the documents if you want, but your sheer ignorance displayed about this subject matter with sentences like "Absolutely nothing about this machinery" means you need to read Jean Claude Pressac's "Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers"

>>131893668
>white supremecist
cleary you do

>>131892624
As a chemist I don't see how one 2lb tin of absorbent granules soaked in HCN could kill a room stuffed with 2000 people in 20 minutes. The average person would need to consume >0.33 grams of Hydrogen Cyanide in a short period of time, as the body metabolizes HCN quickly (HCN occurrs naturally in the body so it's not really that much of a foreign agent)

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>>131895555

nice digits.

But get your facts right goy, it was a pedal-powered brain bashing machine, pic related.

I'd have a problem with this if it was supported by historians rather than just a rumor discussed during the IMT.

The real issue is that Hitler never killed any of these people that he supposedly did.

All the man did was give speeches. Why is he blamed for what his followers did? The truth is people hate free speech and want a world where you can be hunted down just for using words. You've seen it recently too with rioters punching people and breaking the property of people they wish to silence

>>131890260
>Some may say that National Socialism is actually a leftist ideology.
It is unique from marxian socialism because natsoc still has pivate property.

>>131895850
Its because the wooden door tech of that time .. also the concrete carving nails and the highly advanced crematorium tech we can't achieve today..

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>>131895850

5-7 kilograms of Zyklon B were used, not one 200g tin, according to Franzisek Piper, former curator of Auschwitz in his book of the same name.

And as a chemist you should know Prussian Blue is NOT a reliable indicator of how much HCN was present in a room.

>>131895723
link?

>>131896156

>concrete carving nails

please stop.

twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum/status/829719431962038273

>>131895747
>Also, your assumption that the gas chambers were not heated is again disproven by documents that speak of installing a ventilation system that drafted warm air from the adjacent crematorium and introduced it into the chamber.

They do not exist, official German documents of "gass chambers' and systems for gass chambers do not exist, unless they were fabricated long after the war.
That's not the point anway , all of the "authority eyewitnesses" on whom the gass chamber story is based on never mention anything about heating, extraction of gass, circulation, heavy machinery. It was just a stone room, according to them

Oh and BTW, it says "Morgue" on your image,

>>131895094
The German railways only collapsed after the Allies crossed the Rhine. And they were destroyed not by Allied bombers, but by German units seeking to stall Allied advances into their territory.

Martin Van Creveld remarks on the continued inability of air power to interdict rail traffic in his Age of Airpower. This was true during the Korean War despite advances in technology and all of the knowledge gained during WWII. It was even true for a good deal of the conflict in Vietnam. Only when US bombers were able to pinpoint bridges with precision munitions were they able to bring railway traffic to a halt--and then only at great cost. This ability only became commonplace even later, as the revolution in precision munitions allowed one bomb to reliably bring down a bridge. Until then, the best most air forces could reasonably hope for was to harass enemy railroad operations and discourage daylight train trips.

>>131883507
it's a false flag by the g*ermans to legitimize their nazi gold stashes

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>>131883507
No Jidf in OP's pic
>hmmmmmmmmmm
really activates the almonds, no?
Also OP this is 4chan, at least 100% of people on here are trolls.

>>131896274
I found this. It's 1500+ pages. though.

>>131896533
Whoops, forgot link.

https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/28-tecoar-long.pdf

>>131885959
the difference between american and nazi gas chambers is that the nazi gas chambers didn't have a live audience that wasn't supposed to be gassed

>>131896274
https://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/28-tecoar-long.pdf

It's like 1500 pages long. It's hilarious to see how badly the HC bloggers fail. They just use sources that other authors use without actually reading those sources

>>131895850
The question now becomes, If 1 kg of HCN (5 cans) are poured into our gas chamber, how fast will the HCN have to evaporate to reach a lethal concentration in ten minutes? For this example, I will assume a constant rate of evaporation on a per gram basis. The rate of evaporation will be:
176.7 grams HCN/10 minutes = 17.67 grams/minute
17.67 grams HCN/minute)/(1000 g HCN) X 100 = 1.76%

Only 1.76% of the HCN will have to evaporate per minute. Actually, the numbers would be slightly different as there will be less HCN each minute, so 1.76% won't be as much HCN after eight minutes as it was in the first. Taking this loss of material into account, even a constant 1.76% evaporation rate takes only 12 minutes. For a substance that is normally a gas at room temperature, an evaporation rate this slow seems quite probable. As HCN boils at 26 degrees Celsius, it is quite likely that the gas will evaporate much faster than 1.76% per minute.

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>>131893795
>60 million death toll,
Because its probably not accurate.
Ive seen people range it from 20+ million to 70 million.
Its just a bug fucking guess.
Also goes to show how accurate people are at determining deaths.
On a side note. I see you in these threads all the time attacking everyone personally.

>>131884911
>gas operator room
This is the staggering intellect of holocaust deniers. This is what happens when you get your information from idiots and info graphs on /pol/.

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>>131896370

>official German documents of "gass chambers' and systems for gass chambers do not exist

this is a game you are going to lose.

>>131896533
these things start with true statements and then veer off into the imagination, but when you get there your brain has shut down critical thinking and you just accept it all as truth

>>131894695

this

also: we're not properly educated because for the vast majority of citizens an actual education is unnecessary since ignorant cogs in a machine who have free thought replaced by rote memorization keep the system going better

generally speaking it doesn't matter how many lies or facts most people are taught, they won't utilize them either way

miseducated people are just easier to control

>>131896641
>gas chamber
>outlined word is gas cellar
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>131896641
> dated 1943
idk the context behind this, but are there any documents documenting the actual building of these chambers?

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>>131895836
Who invented/discovered electricity, computers, internal and external combustion engines, planes,trains, lorries, space rockets, satellites, modern agriculture, modern medicine, etc etc?

who is better at making civilization and technology?

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>>131883507
Because it was an outright exaggeration to the point of massive lie that makes no sense and it WORKED! It worked so well it enslaved many western countries to Judaism. If we can't can't correct this great lie of history we won't be able to correct the Jewish problem.

>>131896377
Halt entirely, no (if we had managed the war would have ended right then and there), severely restrict while also bombing their centres of industry back to the stone age? Oh yes.

>>131896641
When jews start losing the argument they deflect, how can I take anything you say seriosly when you posted an image titled "cold storage" or "morgue" then claim it was documentation fo gass chambers?

Also notice how this new document you posted doesn't have any official seals or anything

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>>131896826

Yes, all the Zentralbauleitung correspondence and the letters from the crematory oven manufacturing company Topf & Sons. They also had a photo album from the construction period (winter 1942, spring 1943), pic related

>>131896779
https://codoh.com/library/document/3167/?lang=en

This CODOH page addresses that word if you're interested. Talks about the specific document he showed us

>>131896192
What is the HCN content of Zyklon B by weight though? An important metric you missed out in that little infographic. For all we know it could be 2%

>>131896826
auschwitz existed in poland before the war and was made by the polish.

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>>131896348
2000 pushing in a wooden door .. none escaped.. it was like a fortress ..

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>>131896601
just guards and cleanup crews who had to remove the bodies to make way for the next wave?

>>131890579
hey I asked you the questions first. i'll try answer the first couple of yours, at least from what i can tell is the more or less standard revisionist position.

1. regarding the einsatzgruppen, many revisionists do not deny their mass shootings. i personally believe many were killed through mass shootings (others may disagree). the questions that i posted refer exclusively to the gas chambers.

2. the standard revisionist position on nuremberg is that those on trial were tortures - not to mention there are points in testimony which contradict the current official holocaust story. do you think that the nuremberg trials were conducted in a way congruent with western ideas of a fair trial?

anyway that's all i have time for now. please try and answer a couple of the questions i posted. i am no neo nazi or anti semite. i'd simply like to know the truth around these events, and so i welcome any reply or additional evidence you may have - i am far from holding any dogmatic positions wrt to the holocaust

>>131897031

The Leichenkeller (cellar morgues) of the crematoria II and III were used as gas chambers while the other crematoria had their morgue rooms at ground level. It is quite telling when the cellar suddenly gets typed out as gassing cellar.

Also, please tell me where it says every German document needed to have an official stamp, rather than just the first page of the batch it was in.

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>>131896888
C H E K K K E D

>>131885959
You could gas people in an open field with 1 part Zykon B and about 20-60 parts silica dust depending on how long you want their death to be. It gets on skin, and silica dust is heavy so it tends to not be blown away by light wind (think volcanic ashe). Stop trying to make the fuhrer look like a common house rat who didn't know what he was doing. Goebbels and Gurring lost the war for him, because they were addicted to opiods and destroyed the German Army and Airforce from mismanagement.

>>131896628
Still you're assuming that Zyklon B is pure HCN, which it's clearly not. It's basically cat litter with a small amount of HCN in it, designed for application to clothing to de-louse them. It would be relatively safe to handle therefore I can't see it having a concentration of HCN more than a few percent

>>131897242
Who care about your controled opposition revisionist Twinking for George Sorrow...

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>>131883507
i dont care about the holocaust or the jews
brings a smile to my face thinking it happened, but i know its all propaganda

Most of your questions are already answered here:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

>>131897210
they could just stand outside and wait for the gas to clear, and the gas they used was mostly carbon monoxide which was supplied by a truck engine

american gas chambers are constructed so that an audience can watch the execution.

>>131897485
How much Zyklon-B will be needed to reach a concentration of 300 ppm? 300 ppm HCN corresponds to 300 milligrams of HCN per kilogram of air. For 457 cubic meters of air, you need to do some manipulations:

457 m^3 = 4.57 X 10^5 liters * (1 kg air/ 776 liters)
= 589 kilos of air.

(0.300 grams HCN/ kg air)*(589 kg air) = 176.7 grams HCN.
...less HCN than is contained in one can of Zyklon-B.

>>131897371
>The Leichenkeller (cellar morgues) of the crematoria II and III were used as gas chambers

"key eyewitnesses" make no mention of
complex machinery and ventilation system that would be required. Just zyklon pellets thrown in trough a hole in the roof. There's no reason to believe any of these buildings were different than the rest. They describe a stone cellar.

>>131891688
>Please tell me more about all the back breaking hard labor Jewish had to do from dawn till dusk in the internment camps

Ftfy

We still talking about it more then 80 years later... ITS A LIE and you Gina burn in hell chosen people of Mammon !

The reality is that the Holocaust is an estimation taken to be absolute truth. If you cannot cite mass graves amounting to thousands scattered across Europe (as the Germans did not destroy all the bodies; even 90% assumes over one million) or any report exhuming the dead to see if they are even Jewish or not, then you have no physical evidence for the claim. If there is no evidence, one cannot take a position either way. You are obligated by your own rational being to refrain from making any statements on a claim that cannot be replicated or shown to exist in the physical world. One does not believe conspiracies of evidence that cannot be located.

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>>131897825
>carbon monoxide which was supplied by a truck engine
diesel produces only 1/300th of the CO of a petrol engine, certainly not enough to kill anyone

oh dear, reality wins again

>>131897604
They're not, I've read it

In fact none of the arguments made here are mentioned there, nor on any other scizho jew blog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuAAjrbbBiM

Why are people still replying to this bait thread? For fuck's sake, people.

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>>131890229
The mad man made it into Europe without getting deported. Nice.
>>131883507
The real question is why after 80 years since WW2, the Jews still use the Shoah as reasoning being mass white immigration and cultural Marxism.
I don't see Ukrainian people baiting us with their genocide.

By poisoning the well and assuming "look at these showers that people say are gas chambers", the automatic association is linked to mass murder, despite the fact that the very claim that gas chambers were utilized is a conspiracy that is unfalsifiable: a key tenet of conspiracies. You cannot actually disprove the claim by any stretch of the imagination without assuming the anecdotes of the survivors are legitimate and do not require even an ounce of substantiation.

>>131883507
>implying I'm a national socialist
The holocaust is EXTREMELY over-exaggerated if not outright false. No records, inconsistencies in numbers of victims, methods of extermination, use of gas chambers and ovens that are simply impossible, the illogical nature of the method of extermination, the evidence pointing towards 'death camps' being nothing more than labour camps, the numerous cases of proven false testimony etc. etc.

I want the truth and the truth is absolutely NOT the official story. What really gets to me, what really fucking digs away at my brain is the fact that it's illegal to question it in the 15 or so countries where they have such laws. It's fucking madness.

>>131883507
It's just pure autism. Anyone who does the research knows it happened, although the exact number of deaths will always be in dispute.

Nazi fags are just as bad as trannies denying their own gender, complete nutjobs.

>>131891820
>Why just live in denial about everything? Create your own bubble and deny anything you don't like. A personal safe space, am echo chamber of your own thoughts.

Ger anon, how's that working for Millenials and SJWs?

>>131897939
then i guess it was a petrol engine

you can run trucks on petrol as well

>>131883507

All the infographics you see about holocaust denial are bullshit taken out of context that have been doing the rounds in white nationalist circles since the 60s, and people see them on here and feel smart and regurgitate them without fact checking.

In fact a real redpill is most holocaust denial material originates from publications that were run by undercover federal agents and their assets within WN groups. This was when the US intelligence community was considering just letting Israel fail and be swallowed up by the Arabs if that's what it took to keep middle eastern oil out of Russian hands. Only when Israel got nukes did the US start playing so nice with them due to the "Samson Option" which is ironically far more fuel for antisemitism than faking the holocaust but there's not enough memes about it so it doesn't get repeated blindly by the teenagers on here.

For all your denial debunking needs: http://imgur.com/a/725A7

The most common argument, besides the "he says it happened, so it did", is that there is cyanide staining on the walls of the locations in question. Therefore this was used to mass murder millions of people.

So, if you come across a blood splatter in my bedroom, you can assume that it's there because I killed somebody with a blunt object.
Lots of smoking guns that require substantiation. Especially when I am a nation and the person is millions of people. One would think that there would be even one report analyzing the deceased in order to make a statistically significant statement about all those that were allegedly killed.

I challenge you to ask a single person who peddles these conspiracies to cite you any one report that investigates and excavates the victims' remains to come to a conclusion to corroborate the anecdotes they cite as objective fact.

>>131898068
You mean pure coincidence twink

>>131898331
Genetic fallacy, followed by non-arguments without substantiation. Try again. Cite a report investigating the mass graves beyond anecdotes, or perhaps locating the gas chambers and, without post hoc fallacies, proving how they killed millions.

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>>131898280
no, it was stated in the nuremburg trials as "a captured russian submarine diesel engine"

you should really watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwku0UFB8_s

it's fascnating

>>131897923

>If you cannot cite mass graves amounting to thousands scattered across Europe...

holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.co.at/2009/03/photographic-documentation-of-nazi.html

http://yahadmap.org/#map/

You lose, Abd al-Rahman Nusayri.

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>>131892936
>thinks this is an actual nazi board and not a mongolian eagle hunting forum.

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>>131897923
>You are obligated by your own rational being to refrain from making any statements on a claim that cannot be replicated or shown to exist in the physical world. One does not believe conspiracies of evidence that cannot be located.
this sentence + your flag = mind blown from hypocrisy.

>>131897860
Still avoiding my question, Jesus Christ it's like trying to grip slime in my fingers, fucking kike. You're still assuming cans of Zyklon B are pure 100% liquid HCN, which is bollocks. Total Bollocks.

Let's assume the realistic figure of 2% w/w HCN.

5kg of Zyklon B (absurd amount, considering the amount of gassings claimed) would yield 100g of HCN.

Assuming complete consumption of lethal doses into victims, that's only enough to kill up to 300 people.

This is not considering the evaporation time, and rapid metabolic rate once HCN is present in the body. The liver breaks down cyanide in minutes.

>>131898552
In fact, I have not made the assertion that it is to be dismissed in its entirety. I am simply stating that, perhaps, one should refrain from writing legislation or politicizing events that cannot be replicated or have been shown to exist as is claimed. If you have no basis for reasoning, then you cannot make a claim on behalf of unsubstantiated nonsense.

>>131898052

It is not illegal to question, else every school kid that raised their hand during history class would be in the slammer.

It is illegal to boldly state it is a technical impossibility and therefore a hoax contrived by hook nosed kikes for geopolitical interest, which is ultimately what even the most scholarly holocaust revisionism is all about.

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>>131898502
hmm, 2988? 88?

>>131898457
>Mr. fallacy

are you the user Negroid on YouTube? Just curious :)

>>131898467
How do you know they were Jews? I am still waiting on the report investigating the deceased. Using your own standard of evidence, it must be an "independent report exhuming the deceased to substantiate the death toll". Dead pictures amounting to under one million refutes your assertion. Nice try, though.
Your map does the same. On what basis is the death toll determined? Instead of anecdotes, try actually fulfilling your own standard of evidence, which involves an actual report investigating the deceased.

>>131898919
You have yet to respond to me, by the way. I can repost our conversation, but your claims are still empty.

>>131889954
haha what a great christmas prank.

>>131898018
any time holocaust redpills can be distributed is good.

shills dig their own grave with this one

>>131898919
And you know what I find very interesting? How OP has yet to post once after the first post, which is obvious bait. And then you show up. Is this not awfully coincidental? Kind of how there was cyanide staining, which I guess automatically means mass murder of millions. But one would do well not to take such conspiracies to the extreme without substantive evidence fulfilling the claim.

Hi guys, first I am not anti Semite, but I would like to point out some weird things I have been thinking about.
Wonder Woman (2017) is cast by a brown eyed Israeli woman. Wonder Woman is traditionally drawn in her comic book depictions as a blue eyed brown haired woman. <Easily seen Jewish propaganda by Jewish owned Hollywood.

The english word for personal ornaments made of precious stone - JEWellery <interesting

Jewish owned media reported in 1912 that the Russians were responsible for killing 6 million jews.

Auschwitz had a theater and the "gas chambers" were down flights of steps with the thousands of bodies needing to be pulled up on a 2 man elevator to be put in the incinerator?

The "gas chambers" at Auschwitz had wooden doors. A gas chamber cannot be sealed with a wooden door.

Funny if you think about how every major media outlet is Jewish owned that they would report 6 million people dead.

I'm not a denier, I'm a skeptic. This isn't adding up.

What is the goal of ALLEGING Holocaust and gas chambers?

>>131898919
Which is also very interesting, given how you utilize the same "this is a fallacy" narratives, yourself. Do as I say, not as I do? Still waiting on that report substantiating the death tolls from the map. Did they even bother to exhume the bodies, or did they just snap a picture and claim they were all Jewish, or that they died because of some conspiracy?

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>>131896192
According to this infographic the Nazis would have used more than 42,000 cans of Zyklon B. Clearly the piles of cans found look like there's more than 40k cans, right?

Keep on arguing pussyboi soon xenoestrogene will turn you into obedient Zionist Twinks... theme https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9H2La8X4-Uc

>>131898331
>All the infographics you see about holocaust denial are bullshit taken out of context

Actually most of the "concrete evidence" about the holocaust is bullshit taken out of context. There is almost zero evidence expect eyewitness who constantly contradict each other, so they really went full on mental gymnastics to produce other evidence.

>The holocaust was so secret it was only talked about in code words
>But here's a public Hitler speech that prooves it

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>>131899154
jury = jewry
judiciary = jewdiciary
jubillee = jewbillee

guy = goy
chick = shiksa(yiddish for spoilt meat, or whore)

>>131898461
It was Adolf Eichmann that suggested that a submarine diesel engine was used, which would be enormous and, of course, absurd.

In regards to >>131897939
>diesel produces only 1/300th of the CO of a petrol engine, certainly not enough to kill anyone

"It should be remembered that what matters in CO poisoning is not the concentration of CO, but the ratio of CO to oxygen. In a small room, crammed full of people, oxygen levels drop quickly, thus making death by CO poisoning faster. As noted, other toxic components in the fumes further accelerate mortality."

The Axis history forum, "What kind of diesel engines where used???"
https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=25742

>>131883507


I don't deny holocaust, I just point at places where numbers doesn't fit (like gas chambers), not gobbling goverment fairy tales marks you as antisemite further reinforcing jewish stories are not as honest as they make them so. sage

>>131896192
On what basis can you determine that thousands were pushed in and killed? Because somebody said so? Where are all the bodies? If you assert they were all cremated, then you must substantiate the rates required and cite a replication of the rates in order to cremate the millions you allege.

>>131883507
hahaha kike

>>131899094

I come to /pol/ every other day to lurk, and holocaust threads are usually the only ones where I linger for long. I have never created a thread about it for lulz though, I'm not a bait laying attention whore. If you came here more often you'd know theres a holo thread almost every day so I get to shitpost at least once a week but miss out on the rest.

>>131897535
haha well if we get people to concede the obvious revisionist points we can move on from there. the stuff i'm claiming is still illegal to say in some countries.

i don't see how i'm a problem either way, i'm just shitposting. fuck off leaf

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>>131899446
>"It should be remembered that what matters in CO poisoning is not the concentration of CO, but the ratio of CO to oxygen. In a small room, crammed full of people, oxygen levels drop quickly, thus making death by CO poisoning faster. As noted, other toxic components in the fumes further accelerate mortality."
and where does the air in this airtight room go, with only one inlet pipe and no outlet?

>>131883507
No op.
Just no.
Real nazi and i want my country to be NatSoc.
What ? Be a normie, eat shitty fast food, have shitskin children with a sheboon, listening rap, spending my sheckels on clothes, etc ?
No. It is a shit life and that is why normies are depressed and i am not.
Deep down, normies want to be me. Not the opposite.

I have purpose.

Why no flag ? It would display Israël ?

>>131883507
I'm actually getting tired of winning. I want it to be scandalous to be a nazi again, its starting to stop being fun.

>>131895180
seconded this question. Anybody can take a uniform and put it on. same goes for the gun...but that just raises further questions.

>>131899531
Then you would do well to substantiate your claims, as I'll be here lurking for your flag and your links to quiz you, like last time here. Remember your post?
>>131691096
>>131690724

To which I responded: >> 131690954

In short, the argument of "if they weren't "insert conspiracy here", then where did they go? Obviously my conspiracy!"

And the best part is that, when pushed for cremation rate substantiation or location of mass graves and reports corroborating the claims, the best argument is "well, they aren't here which means they all died of gassings/shootings".

>>131899730
>>131690954

I will repost it here, but you will likely ignore it: Without a statistically significant conclusion (gathered by a report to exhume the dead in the locations that are alleged), one cannot make a statement affirming or denying claims that cannot be substantiated.

What happened to JFK's body? It isn't here anymore, it means CIA took it to cover up the evil evidence of their conspired assassination. Oops, no evidence of his body exists... (hint: this is an unfalsifiable claim, so it is dismissed).
The burden of proof is on you, and if "census estimations" are substantive physical reports exhuming the corpses, you are conveniently lowering the bar of evidence for your claims. Not very intellectually honest.

>>131899784
>>131899730
Try and answer the question without diverting to whataboutisms, like "there was no Commonwealth War Graves Commission or anything of that nature, so that means you believe nobody died in WW2!"
The assertion is that the Holocaust is estimations not backed by the standard of evidence other tragedies are backed by, which are investigated. Sad pictures and anecdotes are not arguments.

>>131884936
ahshitz had swimming pools and theatres. denial is ridiculous but revisionist is reality

>>131899987
This doesn't prove that the claim didn't happen, but it does debunk the "evil death camps of doom and fire" narrative peddled by Hollywood.
The burden of proof is on the people who claimed it happen to cite some exhumation report of the deceased. Notice how every time you do that, you are met with non-sequiturs not actually fulfilling the burden of proof they hold others to, but not themselves?

this observation of what you think the motives are is really just a projection of how you justify your beliefs. this is how most of the left justifies their extreme beleifs of white genocide

>>131899531
Are you going to cite the reports? I think it would be only fair to hold yourself to your own standard. I'd like to see an "independent report analyzing the locations of the alleged supply line bombings to see how many died"... Oops, I mean an analysis of the mass graves to corroborate the testimony you think is factual without any supporting evidence.

>>131899730

I post only using my flag.

I have substantiated the cremation process in my blog, the more technical refutation of Mattogno contained therein already penned by other people long before me:

http://imgur.com/kYpT54p
http://imgur.com/yGEJKEJ
http://imgur.com/jSj3fsf
http://imgur.com/kwncgfG
http://imgur.com/d09KvVO
http://imgur.com/kd3mINE
http://imgur.com/ELwRDjd
http://imgur.com/9ogpFpB
http://imgur.com/TEX7lBh
http://imgur.com/fbPsmVa
http://imgur.com/1ofE7ar

You try to downplay the "Where did they go?" question and try to ridicule it by claiming we are creating a false dichotomy here, because it makes you visibly uncomfortable. It is the Achilles Heel of holocaust revisionism and you know it.

>>131900172
revisionism, not denial. the left cant seem to seperate the two or see the difference bec it would DESTROY thier JEWS are victim and the leaders of the new world card

>>131899446
Why not use wood gas engines? They were everywhere and produce pure CO as the fuel

>>131898776

you're saying that like that's somehow less stupid

the government shouldn't have the ability to punish people for something like that

people give way too much power to their governments when they allow stupid shit like that to go on and just accept it

>>131894781
anon, it's not like the germans are known for the efficiency or anything...anti semitic bastard

>>131900369
Alright, then I will ask the same questions you dodged last time. Try and copy-paste your responses, as blogposts are not specific refutations and citations are in order (specifically what page, etc.).

"Well, there is no evidence to suggest that mass cremations took place. Also, the capability of ovens from the past does not supersede what we have access to today. It would only follow that we have access to the same machinery the Germans used. Except there is no such cremation oven, industrial or otherwise, capable of meeting the rates that are alleged. Even using the same argument breaking down each unit put into each muffle as being a linear relationship (that is, each body takes 15 minutes to cremate, so the total rate is 60 minutes per four bodies), there are no cremation ovens that are capable of meeting this rate because you cannot cremate a body in that amount of time. The only difference is that each unit is individually (by law) cremated today and may or may not be put in a cardboard casket. The bulk of the cremation is not eaten up by these two cases, it is the initial cremation process. Cremating the bones does not take over 75% of the process, nor does a cardboard/wooden casket take up that amount of time. This is because there is a minimum amount of BTUs required to cremate an average human body. Like I said above, even assuming the linear relationship (i.e. no factors limiting the rates when combining multiple units, like weight, sex, body composition, surface area, efficiency of the oven, etc.), there are, still, no ovens capable of meeting the rates that are alleged.

>>131900369
>>131900622
"Thus the statement: there is no evidence to suggest...
This is because the entire claim is a conspiracy that cannot be falsified. "They did 'x' as I describe". Okay, how do you determine truth from non-truth for your assertion? I would assume the first thing would be to cite a report replicating the cremation process to fulfil the rates. To my knowledge, no such report exists providing substantive evidence fulfilling the claims, only appeals to the majority or anecdotes."

>>131894912
You know why there are no stories of gorillions of japanese deaths in the internment camps?

BECAUSE THE JAPANESE DON'T OWN THE FUCKING MEDIA

>>131900498
you act like that word has weight here. you jewphile jew supremasict anti-european bastard

>>131900369
Like I said last time, setting a baseline for pets can even show that your assertion that 'modern cremations are not actually equivalent to WW2 cremations because they were done gently" is not substantiated.

">I'm sorry, but it has been stated clearly. It takes around from an hour and a half to two hours on average to burn a body today. That's because we handle them very delicately and carefully, we have them stored in the coffins and we burn everything absolutely to the ashes, smoothly.
This is not a claim that is substantiated. Again, the bulk of the cremation is not "10 minutes for all the flesh and other components, 1 hour 20 minutes for bones and a casket, if used". In fact, animal cremations take longer to complete.
>http://www.cremationresource.org/pets/how-is-pet-cremation-done.html
"Pets can be cremated either in usual crematories or the ones that are specifically dedicated for pet cremations. During the process, a pet’s body is placed in a cremation unit and subjected to high temperatures up to 1400-1800 degrees Fahrenheit.

Thus, the intense heat and vaporization reduce the organic matter to dust and dried bones. Next, the surgical, pins, rods, tags, broken pieces of collars, and other metal objects are removed from the dust with the help of a magnet or manual inspection."

"The time for cremation depends on the type of pet you have. For instance, cremation of smaller animals such as birds, mice, rabbits, hamsters, does not take long.

On the other hand, larger animals like horse, large breeds of dogs, etc. are cremated in hours. On an average, though, cremation of a pet may take 45 minutes to two hours for more."
Vaporization is not a "gentile and delicate" process. How hot were the cremation ovens you cite?
>However Sonderkommandos didn't do all of that.
I never said they did. In fact, I used your own linear rate point, assuming no difference between one unit and multiple."

>>131900369
You try to downplay the "Where did they go?" question and try to ridicule it by claiming we are creating a false dichotomy here, because it makes you visibly uncomfortable. It is the Achilles Heel of holocaust revisionism and you know it.

>you know it
>this is an argument, you just know it
Lol, please try harder.

"A conspiracy theory is some scheme, unbeknownst to the general public, to produce some consequential outcome to influence/sway an outcome in a direction beneficial to the schemers.
Claiming "9.5-3.5=6 million killed" does not logically follow. You have not produced evidence beyond the census, and when the point of contention is the basis for your reasoning, you are begging the question by raising the census once more, as that isn't an argument for your case.

In fact, the Holocaust is, by definition, a conspiracy. It was done without knowledge of the Allies. It was only found out after the fact. They tried to remove all the evidence after, so you claim.
When it boils down to it, you are committing an argument from silence fallacy. Like I said, it does not logically follow that "
A census tallies individuals who exist to be tallied if it is a census in the formal definition. It is a fallacy of composition to examine a census recording and assume any discrepancies can be chalked up to 'x' method rooting people out."
"What can be true in part is not valid/cannot logically be extended to the whole."
Allow me to make the same argument: In year 'w', there are 'y' units of 'z'. In year 'x', there are only 'n' units of 'z'. It follows that 'm' is the reason to account for this discrepancy."

>>131883507
i don't get it

why are these drawings criticizing /pol/ never as funny as the one from here criticizing tumblr even though they are exact same in style

it's exactly the same, but it's not funny or amusing and even fails to make anyone mad, they're just boring

>>131900172

why does a swimming pool and a bunny rabbit farm debunk an evil death camp of doom and fire narrative? why is it so inconceivable a thought for both to exist at the same time, but one's mental impact far outweigh the other so that the other therefore barely gets much mention?

I have already linked you to the exhumation reports of the Soviet state commission. Your next moving of the goal posts is saying well okay now prove those corpses are Jews. Which has been done by e.g. Patrick Desbois by hearing the accounts of the villagers and tracing pre-war Jewish populations in places near where the massacres happened. To you, this is somehow still not any solid evidence the corpses are Jewish.

>>131894912
what about 25 million slavs dying to stalin and 99% jewish communist high ranking officials. what about the palestinian children getting slaughtered? i see a double standard.

>>131900369
>there must be a nation-wide conspiracy to hide it, I just know it to be true! These anecdotes show that millions died.
>what mass grave exhumation, that isn't necessary! They say they are gone and millions disappeared, don't you know a census is a primary source for mass genocide substantiation?

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>>131897586
Oh woah! Hollywood dramatized the size of a smokestack?
Holy SHIT! An old man was senile and said some crazy shit!?!
Some guy who probably wasn't at Birkenau said he was!!!!???!!
Dude such a based argument! It's almost like ((there was no argument in your comment)).

>>131883507
i question the numbers... thats about it

>>131900847
because in everthing weve ever heard there was no fun, no food, no nothing but rotten wood and jew bodies. the narrative is skewed obviously. now look into zyklon b, delousing, and the shower heads the soviets installed after the war

>>131898672
>doesn't know they mixed up to 20-40 parts of silica dust into Zykon
>doesn't know the people took hours to die

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>>131900933
You see something .. that's a good first baby step Twink

>>131900847
I never said it does. Reread my post: This doesn't prove that the claim didn't happen...
>I have already linked you to the exhumation reports of the Soviet state commission. Your next moving of the goal posts is saying well okay now prove those corpses are Jews
>I assert millions of Jews died
>stop asking me to prove they are Jews
You are moving the goalposts. Show me they were Jewish or leave. You, again, present no such information. Dead bodies do not equal Jews. Or are you now claiming your own evidence shows Jews were not killed?
>by hearing the accounts of the villagers and tracing pre-war Jewish populations in places near where the massacres happened
Then you must also know their names, too. One man goes around and "hears anecdotes", this is now enough to assert that millions were killed and that the deceased were Jews because "Jews not here anymore means they were all gassed or shot by "insert conspiracy here". Again, cite a report actually excavating the graves to substantiate your assertion. Should be really easy to prove the conspiracy if there is such an abundance of evidence.

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>>131900999
you believe that smokeless crematoriums emit different colored smoke depending on the nationality of the jew being burned?

>>131900933

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

>>131900369
"If that is the best argument you can muster up when I ask for your evidence, then you admit to the shortcomings of evidence and the estimations/broad (and illogical) generalizations utilized to assume the part is equivalent to the whole.
Not to mention, repeating the claim when asked for the evidence as to how the conclusion follows the premise is begging the question. "It's true because the census said so, which is valid because the census tells us this. We know they died by 'x' because they are not around, and any/all deceased, six million in total, are attributed to 'x'."
I'll ask again: On what basis do you determine that there were millions gassed to death? Where is the evidence for its existence? The most common argument, besides anecdotes, is that there is cyanide residue in the alleged chambers. But this is a post hoc fallacy. Simply because there is residue does not logically follow that millions were gassed to death if there is no physical reports excavating the deceased and examining their bodies. It is not because millions were gassed. To fulfil that assertion, there must be some report analyzing the corpses to make such a statistically significant statement like that ('x' millions were gassed to death)"

>>131901189
zyklon was a delousing agent to kill typhus. it was common practice. the "showers" were delousing chambers to kill typhus on CLOTHES. there were no shower heads until after the war when the soviets installed them.

>>131901278
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
>what about the millions who died during WW2? You don't believe WW2 happened just because you can't find their bodies? What about....
Pot calling the kettle black. Pretty sure you know the argument I'm referencing, as you've raised it instead of proving your claims.

>>131901217

well they aren't all made equal anon

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>>131901373

>>131899617

>>131885959
>you expect us to believe they made gas chambers with wooden doors?

any excess pressure escapes through openings in the chamber, eg. a wooden door.

>>131896640
In my time in the "American education" system, I've heard that gas would come out through the shower heads but the same pipes could also emit water to deceive anyone who checked.

You NEED a fucking operator room for that to be true.

>>131900935

Are you saying a census comparison is NOT a primary source for the substantiation of genocide?

Please enlighten me then, what the primary method of estimating other genocides in history has been, for example in Pol Pot's Cambodia or in Rwanda.

Once you can do this, you will have delivered a solid case for why standards for the holocaust are different compared to standards for quantifying other genocides.

>>131901459
Wow, seems like there is a lot of disparity between the truth and fiction when the best evidence is anecdotal!

>>131901278
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
jews arent the only people being slaughtered. but the are the ones obsessed about. you also cant criticize them without heavy social backlash. you cant tell whos in control and whos controlling the narrative yet? maybe theres facts the purposfully leave out, no one would ever notice because of the social indications and really how most whites identitfy as jewphiles and want to convert. the jew scoffs at this

>>131901459

it was a joke, i'm not even the anon you were talking to

i think the holocaust is a grossly exaggerated sympathy tool

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>>131894616
jews are more important than everyone else goy.

>>131900447
they were probably just harder to get

the engines that were used were those that was attainable in central europe at the time, like engines from german trucks and destroyed russian tanks

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>>131901546
anecdotal? watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwku0UFB8_s

>>131901729
even the best of the gentiles deserved to be killed

>>131900369
>"Where did they go?"

> There's no paper trail, so they must have been gassed!

>>131899617
>thousands of testimonies
>hundreds of "play camps" in europe
>staffed by up to 5000 SS fun soldiers whilst the front lines were being rolled
>mass "accidental death" graves were dug up from periods before the Final Playtime even began in 1944
>has no idea that they didn't even need oxygen tight rooms to gas jews
>but I can't into silica dust anon!

You took the time to save that dumb ass picture, so why don't you take the time to research the facts behind them?

>>131901795
this is written like a dramatic novel very thin on evidence and high on emotional pulls. wonder who was behind this....

>>131883507
The goal is to find the truth. Nothing more. As we find more and more and more ways we have been lied to, about effectively every historical event, every war, it starts to add up.

>Question Everything

I suppose the original intent of that motto was meant to be a subversive tool against traditional western values, but if you actually do it, the whole structure of the world changes. And tbqa, everything makes a lot more sense.

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>>131901843
I couldn't care less about what yu think, I'm talking to the audience, faggot

>>131901499
>Are you saying a census comparison is NOT a primary source for the substantiation of genocide?
>Perhaps if I ask an inquisitive question with an inflection it will make me seem more credible???
Burden of proof is on you to substantiate your anecdotes. Right now, we can't find many bodies. Don't you know people are being gassed right now! I mean, no elderly Jews existed or anything... we can attribute a census to "insert conspiracy here", didn't you know?
>Please enlighten me then, what the primary method of estimating other genocides in history has been, for example in Pol Pot's Cambodia or in Rwanda.
Hey, remember this post a few minutes ago: >>131901278
>what about 'x', what about 'y'. What do you think about these unrelated issues???
>Once you can do this, you will have delivered a solid case for why standards for the holocaust are different compared to standards for quantifying other genocides.
Sure, I've asked it of you a lot before and probably will.
Step 1: gather testimony (see: anecdotes). This gives you probable cause.
Step 2: locate the area the mass graves are said to have been stored. Find the area in question.
Step 3: analyze the mass grave by exhuming the bodies. Quite literally, do a 'body count' to come to a death toll
Step 4: prove they were Jewish. Again, I am not making the wild claim, so it's on you to prove their Jewishness. Beyond anecdotes, of course. Identify the deceased.
Step 5: repeat at all the locations you allege in order to make a statistically significant assertion.


The fact that you can't muster up a report showing this is indicative of the faith-before-fact narrative you peddle. At best, estimations of a tragedy. At worst, politicized conflation of a few thousand. Actually, using your own images as proof, a not even tens of thousands.

>>131901838

>they weren't gassed because [instead rudolf or bergian science], therefore they survived, and as a logical conclusion, either emigrated (but somehow magically didnt show up in those darn american or israeli census records 39-45), or assumed a different name, changed faiths and never contacted their family members again, multiply this fate by approx. 6 million

height of revisionism.

>>131901843
There's really no point in arguing with these people. They're completely delusional and past any rationale or evidence-based thinking. They're the same type who would deny that Hitler wanted to exterminate Slavs for Lebensraum when making posts to convince Eastern European idiots to join based Kekistan.

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>>131902001
I'll give you 6 gorillion guesses

Caroline Sturdy Colls inadvertently disproved the story.

Excavated Treblinka, nothing found.

>>131902094
It's really simple: you can either prove your conspiracy to not be some scheme by citing physical evidence corroborating the death toll, or you can lower the bar for necessary evidence until you can make claims that don't actually need any mass graves to be proven, and can shit out non-sequiturs endlessly.
>>131902232
>argument from personal incredulity
I can't believe this is true! That means it isn't! Hey, by the way, this claim I can't substantiate is also true. And don't tell me you don't believe in it, that isn't good enough!

>>131902232
Caroline Sturdy Colls debunked the entire myth.

> where did they go?
They aren't in the ground. That's proven.

>>131883507
>What is the goal of denying Holocaust?
Jews are allowed to be antinomian to destructive consequences without anyone questioning and avoiding scrutiny. Because they lost 6gorillion Israel doesn't have to have open borders, it's ok to have anti-semitism laws above demos law, and worst of all they get to demonize anyone with for the slightest push back against their agenda.

Oh, and still no evidence replicating the alleged cremation rates to prove that the rate necessary to cremate millions was met by the ovens in-question.
Perhaps a study replicating the claim? Nope, just anecdotes of "lots of people claiming to have seen 'x' means 'x' exists".

> and never contacted their families again
When David Cole was on a TV show, a Jew in the audience got up to say how his brother was gassed. Turned out his brother was alive and living in New York, and that his brother thought that HE was dead.

Debunked myth. Caroline Sturdy Colls confirmed beyond reasonable doubt.

>>131902655
Expounding on this: That also assumes that, say, if you put one unit into one oven, it will take 1 hour. Then, it the claim is that putting another will take the same one hour, or even less. This completely disregards the efficiency of the unit; it is implying that it can provide infinite thermal energy across any surface area. There are no studies into the cremation rates utilized by the ovens (in order to substantiate the claim) beyond anecdotes, unfortunately.
There was also a large portion of the cremation process that occurred in the form of an open flame in the outdoors. Again, these claims are not falsifiable. You cannot prove them wrong, despite there not being any report following up with the claim to replicate the process and substantiate the conclusion that is reached. Nor is there any such report documenting the mass graves littered across Eastern Europe. One would think the abundance of evidence would be so simple to prove. Assuming 90% of the bodies disappeared into the aether and we are to assume their fate without substantive physical evidence backing up the claim, that leaves 1.1 million bodies. Let's say a mass grave will have ten thousand corpses in each area. That means there should be 110 mass graves filled with thousands of bodies. Of course, not all were killed like this. Instead, we can tally up the individual cases (perhaps a few dozen, then a few hundred) to see if the death toll is reached. It would not be statistically honest to look at a few graves of a few thousand and extend this to millions upon millions. If so, cite a report exhuming the graves.

>>131902058
There were more than 8 death camps. And they had many many ways of killing jews. They weren't all burned in crematoriums, a field fire and a ditch worked for them just fine. They killed hundreds of thousands with bullets and explosives, far before 1943. The final solution really kicked into gear in 1944, that's when they were getting desperate, and that's when they were getting gassed, worked to death, shot, burnt alive (whole segments of housing units in certain camps were set on fire towards the end of the war), strangled, starved, diseases were killing thousands more in the slave conditions, and there were other methods. This math only takes into account the pretty one by one crematorium, and the assumption that only the crematorium is responsible for deaths. But I am glad that you get to see that 400k people could have been killed in ovens.

Just look how relentless these bastards are that argue it did happen, they are fucking everywhere

>>131902094

>Step 4: prove they were Jewish. Again, I am not making the wild claim, so it's on you to prove their Jewishness. Beyond anecdotes, of course. Identify the deceased.

Please explain how you can prove the Jewishness of a body in the course of an exhumation 70 years later, without using anecdotal evidence.

If you can't, it is time you admitted you are setting up a loaded question, and are imposing standards that cannot be fulfilled.

The burden of proof does not universally rest on my side: If you make claims like the above, you need to show that these can be and have been fulfilled by other events yet something that holocaust historians are unable to do, and are therefore valid criteria.

>The fact that you can't muster up a report showing this is indicative of the faith-before-fact narrative you peddle.

You continue to ignore the Soviet State commission reports I have already provided you with.

>>131902922
His brother was watching the TV show and got into contact with his "dead" brother after watching the show. He couldn't believe it!

What a shitfest.

>>131902655
>>131902972
Oh, and let's not forget the completely unsubstantiated claim here: >> 131681452

"I imagine it to be like this - it takes some time to heat the body up to a good temperature, and then the other body gets burned by the temperature transitioned through the first body. Something like that. Sorry, but I'm no expert over this matter, I have to say."

>not an expert
>but I can shit out an opinion and peddle it as fact

The only assertion left is that 'heated corpses double as heat sources at such high rates so as to meet the required temperature to cremate bodies".

>>131903015
got any proof?

no, didn't think so

claims without proof are dismissed without proof

>>131903077
>Please explain how you can prove the Jewishness of a body in the course of an exhumation 70 years later, without using anecdotal evidence.

You can start by not digging up marked Christian graves like Caroline Sturdy Colls had to do because her excavation of Treblinka inadvertently proved the holohoax to be bogus.

>>131902655

>oh and still no evidence
>still no evidence
>no evidence
>If there is no study that has so far replicated the claim, this means there is no evidence.

try again.

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There is law against the holocoaster no Law for any other genocide .. too much bs 80+ years arguing.. (((they))) get the art pieces and the gold in the process (((they))) control all banks ... Everything is clear to my mind now ... you all race traitor pussyboi twink shill sucking Jew balls ...deny that Twinks..

>>131900841
Comedy is based in truth

>>131903077
>Please explain how you can prove the Jewishness of a body in the course of an exhumation 70 years later, without using anecdotal evidence.
You just admitted to a lack of evidence. Yet here you are, making positive claims on an unsubstantiated issue.

You should have excavated the bodies... right then and there. You have probable cause... GO AND FIND THE BODIES. Even assuming 90% were cremated and gone, around one million still remain. Find the bodies. What intellectual laziness.

>If you can't, it is time you admitted you are setting up a loaded question, and are imposing standards that cannot be fulfilled.
What? Do you realize what you're saying?

"You can't show that I don't have evidence and it isn't available now, even though the evidence was plentiful right after the event when we should have recorded the information, so it means we can dismiss your inquiry for a report because it doesn't exist. Oh, but I'll still make positive claims on conspiracies".

It isn't a loaded question: it is the standard of evidence you set for me.

I will extend this line of reasoning: Please explain how you can prove the Jewishness of a body in the course of an exhumation 70 years later, without using anecdotal evidence.
If you can't, it is time you admitted you are setting up a loaded question, and are imposing standards that cannot be fulfilled. This means that the Jews who died because of 'x' (in this case, 'x' is allied supply line bombing) are Jewish and we can't actually show they were Jewish (in fact, I can't show it but I'll say the burden of proof is on you), so we can still assume they were Jews.
>You continue to ignore the Soviet State commission reports I have already provided you with.
Determine their Jewishness to fulfil your own assertion.