Well Christcucks?

>>131869035
>dies literally the worst way possible
fags still want more

>>131869035
Poland sacrificed 123 years for your sins
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_of_Europe

>>131869035
>conveniently leaves out the fact that during those three days, Jesus battled the devil and redeemed Manny of the souls in hell.
Sherbet there is a faggot

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>>131869035
>>131869035
It is just a metaphor for the sun (winter solstice), he didn't really die and resurrect.
You don't have to take the bible literally

>>131869935
>sets billions of fallible people on fire for ETERNITY in hell because Satan tricked them

seems like a fair trade

>>131869035
And what will ath**sts give up their weekend for, hmm?

>>131869035
What did Allah do for us?

How about Buddha ?

The Jew god?

At least Jesus did something

>>131869035
>>131870632

>>131870962
Vape and bananas.

>>131870935
Jesus doesn't send you to hell, you do

>>131871474
>Jesus is God
>God controls the Universe and everything in it
>free will is a myth when Omniscience is put into play

>>131869035
חחח, gud1 (((Shermer))). I mean, Pesach with the in-laws is worse, oy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIDYvg73RuM

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>>131869035
blasphemous tweet is blasphemous

>>131871078
Buddha was just a really wise man who wanted to enlighten people. Jesus on the other hand: I GAVE UP MY WEEKEND FOR YOU SO YOU HAVE TO SUBMIT TO ME NOW XDDDDDDDD

>>131869035
The Creator felt the pain of being denied and crucified by his own creation. And even then found it in his heart to forgive all of us sinners.

>>131871474
if I put a gun to your head and told you to obey my every whim or get shot and then shot you because you disobeyed me would you say that you shot yourself?

>>131869035
The thing is he never died. He literally traveled to hell and BTFOd the devil.

>>131869035
>(((Shermer)))

>>131872189
time for a redpill suppository:
the buddha never existed.

>>131869035
I hate Christians as much as the next guy but how retarded can you be?

>>131872213
So god has kinky S&M play with some hot roman soldier, gets bored and goes back to normal. He also forgives us even though he made us do it. What a swell guy.

>>131872213
except he knew in advance that this would happen because he's all knowing. he's also the one who made it happen because he's omnipotent. refute that, cristcuck.

>>131872315
The situation would be more accurate if you had gun in your hand and was trying to blow your brains out. Jesus is there trying to convince you not to do it.

>>131872564
You're an idiot

>>131870935
>fire and brimstone literalism

>>131872498
I'm sure a wise man who just wanted to enlighten people did exist. magical sky daddies on the other hand did not.

>>131869035

Stupid atheicuck. The idea that we are “let off” because of Jesus’ death seems silly if you think of it that way. Why didn’t God just let us off? It doesn’t make sense to punish an innocent person, I get that. But it does make sense if we think of Jesus paying off a debt for us, as a person with resources pays a debt for a person who has none.

>I get my knowledge of Christianity from the mainstream media!

>>131869035
>I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
what did (((he))) mean by this?

>wasting a weekend for humans
i would not give 2 hours for fucking humanity. Jesus is madman

>>131872611
nice refutation there. you sure proved I was wrong with that one.

>>131872766
Well, you are a faggot too. I hope that helped.

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>>131872590
>>131872590
>>131872590
>>131872590
>>131872590

this

>>131872792
you argue on the level of a 5 year old

>>131869035
Edgy kike. Making a joke about a dead kike. Sage.

>>131872766
You're not interested in discussion

You're just a memespouting fuck that has a hate-boner for God

>>131870814
record amount of degeneracy as well

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>>131872719
>

>>131872400
This

>>131872937
I am trying to have an intelectual debate here and you guys are just calling me names because you can't refute me. typical christcucks.

>in order to forgive the sins of humanity you must pay with your life
>oi vey how about three days, that's the best i can do

>>131869035
>doesn't value the weekend
Cucked wageslave pls leave

>>131872498
idiot

>>131872590
nope. the gun wouldn't even exist if he didn't make it. he just wants to guilt trip me for something I didn't even do. I never crucified anyone. some jews did a long time ago. what does that have to do with me?

>>131869035

They always forget about the 30 days after that and everything that came before it.

But, whatever, if those three days is what someone truly believes to be the start and end of his suffering then I'm happy to let them think that. Jesus suffered for the foolish, too.

Absolute blasphemy, of course it's pushed by the jew, they are vermin, they are deniers of Christ. They always want to exalt themselves and cant stand to be humbled. but every knee shall bend.

>>131869035
He's a very busy man.

>>131870935
Hindu escatology is so much mor einteresting that the stupid heaven/hell dichotomy

>>131873422
what's 30 days compared to all the people who burn in hell forever because they didn't believe in sourceless claims of magical sky daddies?

>>131871787
God literally gives you free will, that's why you can chose not to believe in him you faggot

>>131873344
You are an idiot.
The gun exists because eve ate the fucking apple, meaning humans evolved past their natural animalistic selfs and started to destroy eachother and nature and raping fucking babies and animals.

But you would not know that because you did not read the fucking bible you moron.

>>131870935

Hell as you think you know it is fan fiction based on the Greco-Roman idea of Hades.

The Bible only refers to the lake of fire; not eternal punishment, simply obliteration.

Asshole. You defeat death. Give me a ting when you do.

>>131873668
I never ate the forbidden fruit. I never raped a baby. what do the sins of two retards living in a garden have to do with me?

>>131873645

If you think it's not real then why are you worried about it?

If someone else thinks it's real but you don't, why are you worried about what someone else thinks?

Sounds like you do think it's real and you're a little worried.

>>131873653
But if you don't believe in him you'll get cast into a lake of fire for eternity according to the Bible. So is that REALLY "free will"?

>>131873821
You would if morals were never created, dumbfuck.

>>131873668
>Evolving past animals

>Bad

Fucking christcucks, I swear.

>>131873653
>choose not to believe in one of thousands of religions
>HA! YOU GUESSED THE WRONG RELIGION SORRY BUDDY ETERNAL PUNISHMENT FOR YOU!

christcucks are sad

>>131874048
stop cursing

I get your anger, brother, but spit that poison from your mouth before it burns forever!

>>131874040
Yes that is.

>>131869935
>>dies in literally worst way possible
Hardly

>>131869035
jesus didn't die, he had a loss of faith in humanity.

He did some soul searching, came back, and told people he was leaving for good.

then as usual, evil, self centered humans used this event as an excuse to continue being as evil as possible under the explanation that "bruh, jesus died for our sins we can do what we want now"

god was a dick anyway, he basically cucked joseph. His "followers" are assholes too. No adultery? really? what, it's okay if god does it?

>>131873988
I never said I was worried. I'm just trying to point out logical fallacies in your religion and maybe make you see why you believe in utter bullshit. I'm just trying to redpill you guys.

>>131873653
>yeah son don't believe me as you want but burn like a motherfucker for eternity

Yep seems my thoughts would be pretty fucking free

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>>131872400
>20 post down.
Shame on you /pol/

>>131874048
no I wouldn't. I have no desire to do such things. are you saying you'd rape babies if it wasn't considered immoral? damn you're weird.

>>131873645
You dont literally burn in hell. Hell is just a place where God is not there, where His protection from chaos doesn't reach. It arises as a choice of rejecting God. God didn't create Hell. The notion of rejecting God is what created hell (thanks a lot Lucifer). Atheists and unapologetic sinners, like another anon said, are sending themselves there by rejecting God and His protection.

>>131874040

>Lake of fire for eternity

Eternal suffering is only ever attributed to Satan and his angels.

https://lifehopeandtruth.com/prophecy/revelation/lake-of-fire/

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>>131869035
(((Shermer)))

>it's an atheist Jew bashing Christianity episode

>>131873674
the bible says "eternal damnation". I am pretty sure that means forever. You are probably got that information from some jews or protestant. The only bible version today that is closest tranlated from original text is the Douay–Rheims bible.

>>131872498
time for a redpill suppository:
jesus christ never existed

>>131874672
I am saying you would not consider it wrong if nobody ever invented morals.

Why can't you read?

>>131873668
>freewill is what makes human more evolved than animals
>give them freewill
>FUCK HOW CAN YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR PLACE YOU ANIMAL!

Seems like god is always doing stupid meanliness things

>>131869035

>Gets nailed to a cross and dies in a slow and horribly agonizing way
>lol he gave up a weekend

(((Humour)))

>>131869935
>he doesn't watch gore on internet
Christians are such pussy faggots. Even /b/ has some obviously more painful death than nailed on a stick

>>131874680
god created everything. god has the power to protect me wherever I am because he is all powerful. he created hell. he created Lucifer knowing full well what would happen. he created evil. this is all his doing.

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>>131874680

What an incredible faggot you are. You can suck my disgusting cockmeat til shit cums out, and you can do it with a smile. Fuck god and fuck you, you're both stupid nigger faggots.

>>131874807
>says the man who can legally suck dog dick in his atheist country

And yes, I know it is technically possible in here too.

>>131874753

>the bible says "eternal damnation"

Let's see the verse.

>>131869035
Please stop calling him "Jesus"

He is Joseph's wife's son.

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>>131873668

>The gun exists because eve ate the fucking apple
God created Eve, the Apple, every blade of grass in the garden of Eden and the concept of "original", "sin" and "original sin".

>meaning humans evolved past their natural animalistic selfs and started to destroy eachother and nature and raping fucking babies and animals.
You're trying to legitimize causality over its being causal, without realizing that we qere talking about ethics. Sure, you can give me all the lore you want ("eating the fruits implies this which implies that" and so on), but you're still not considering that God made it all up.
You say that Eve eating the forbidden fruit results in people evolving past their natural sense. Every single part of this argument is arbitrary: God could have just decided to do otherwise.
Since he is supposedly omnipotent, every idealized form of existence we can think about could have existed. Once you have this vast array of choices, the fact that God chose this reality is simply obscene, and unethical in the most profound sense.
No surprise that the basic principle of Christianity is to suppress your critical judgement in order to find love for the Lord.

>>131874782
no. you said I would do it if morality didn't exist, therefore you claim that I want to rape babies, but don't because it's immoral. learn to read please.

>>131874841
>makes every non believer and non christian burn forever for the lolz
yeah he sure """loves""" us

jesus spent 3 days in hell then rose to heaven

hes been dead since he died (cant believe i have to say this)

>>131874960
God gave you free will and respected it. You rejected God. You go where God is not. Yet you blame God for the logical conclusion of your choice He is giving you because He is not forcing you like an automoton to believe in Him and behave. Literally, your argument is "Why doesn't God protect me even though I completely reject Him?" It is the argument of a rebellious child upset at a parent for respecting the wishes of the child for the parenr to stay away.

>>131875065
Matthew 25:41

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Shermer

>>131869035
If I was Jesus I would have stepped down off the cross and judged every single one of those Christ killing kikes right then and there and sent them to their eternal hellfire. But Jesus didn't do that he continued to suffer and die for our sins and thats what makes him Jesus.

The Jews worship themselves. They went from being Gods chosen to rejecting God and worshipping themselves.

>>131875414
he created me knowing in advance every decision I'd ever make because he knows everything so that's bullshit. unless you're willing to say he doesn't know everything, which would contradict the bible.

>>131875875
It doesn't contradict the bible because God can see the choices we could make but not the one we will actually make. Otherwise it would not be complete free will.

>>131875875
you can't claim that your creation disobeyed you if you made it disobey you in the first place.

>>131876023
So now your argument is "why doesn't God just make me do things?"

>>131870935
>how was i supposed to know i shouldn't rape someone
>how was i supposed to know i shouldn't murder someone
>its the devils fault i did those things despite me knowing the law and having free will not to do those things why am i going to hell?

>>131875875
>how can you let me leave the house forever after I threatened to leave the house forever, dad!

>>131875875
the server admin knows everything that goes on in the server , how is that a hard thing to grasp..
unless your IQ is below 40 lol

>>131876005
so he doesn't know what will happen in the future then. that means he's not all knowing which does in fact contradict the bible. by your logic if I asked him what for example my neighbour is going to do tomorrow he wouldn't have the answer.

>>131875687

>Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels.

Fire everlasting for the devil and his angels. The closest you'll get to the idea that human souls would suffer eternally is simply implication.

Meanwhile in Ezekiel 18:20

>The soul that sinneth, the same shall die

And Revelations 20:14

>And hell and death were cast into the pool of fire. This is the second death

Ressurection in Revelations is followed by judgement, leading to either eternity with God or a return to death.

>>131876331
He is all-knowing in the sense that he knows everything that exists and how every timeline could go but cannot know which timeline we will choose. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

>>131876174
how is that a refutation to what I said? I said he's the one who made me knowing in advance everything I would do which means he created me for the sole porpouse of sending me to hell. if he is all knowing and all powerful than that statement is an irrefutable fact.

>>131869035
Has anyone actually seen him after he resurrected, or are people just believing it happened?

>>131876603
Again, you are sending yourself to Hell by rejecting God because Hell is simply the absence of God which is what you wish for. He cannot know which choice you make. It's not locked in until you die.

>turn the other cheek
>the meek shall inherit the earth
>poverty is a virtue
>healthy sexual life is sinful
truly, you have to admire (((their))) craftiness. to dupe BILLIONS of people into believeing this shit is a remarkable achievement.

>>131876603
You have the free will to go to hell if you want and he wont stop you.
>>131876585
What he said.

>>131876585
if he doesn't know what timeline will actually happen than he is not all knowing. why is that so hard for you to grasp?

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>>131869035
>"dies for our sins"
>literally nothing happens

What did he mean by this

>>131869035
He could have died for 1 day and it would make no difference.

If someone jumped on top of a bomb on a crowded train, they'd be rightly lauded as a hero. Even if the bomb was a complete and utter dud, they'd still be lauded as a hero.

The sacrifice is in the act of heroism and intent, not end result.

>>131876973
Because you are assuming an all-knowing that is impossible with free will. Since He cannot control us like puppets, He cannot know what we will choose. That is the only thing He simply chooses not to know because otherwise he would have to act and that would remove the freedom of free will. Your argument is stuck on all-powerful, all-knowing without actually knowing how it applies in relation to our free will and how and why God respects it.

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Laughing at all you that deny gods protection

>>131876862
not only will he not stop me but he's the one who'll send me there in the first place. if he is real than our lives are just the equivalent of him playing with dolls. he created my free will, he created everything that influences my free will and he controlls everything that influences my free will therefore he controlls me and free will is just a lie.

All this thread did was make me love Jesus even more. Imagine voluntarily being tortures to near death several times over and then being crucified to save the kind of people in this thread. It would take the perfect heart to be so compassionate, forgiving and merciful.

I love Jesus.

>>131869035

Jesus didnt suffer for our sins. Thats a church meme that causes white people to feel guilty for being superior. Jesus transended/went beyond death to show us what to aspire to.

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>>131869035
Jesus is a metaphor for the sun, which again is another metaphor. Paul didn't mention Jesus on a cross, he said that jesus represents the spiritual potential of all mankind. Jesus is the light that illuminates the darkness.

>>131877281
>gods protection
>post people that got collectively btfo

So much for Gott mit Uns

>>131877324
Again, you send yourself there by choosing to reject God. For someone who seems to value logic, you don't seem to like to follow a choice to its logical conclusion and consequence.

>>131877466
>>131877442
You will see, greekbro
Don't be this croat.

>>131876507
>Fire everlasting for the devil and his angels...

Jesus is speaking to YOU in this text. "Depart from Me" Jesus doesnt come around and have and end of times convo with the devil and the fallen angels. They know where they are going. Now, he is informing YOU.

>Meanwhile in Ezekiel 18:20

Meanwhile in John 14:6
Meanwhile in John 3:16

>Resurrection in Revelations is followed by judgement, leading to either eternity with God or a return to death.

Nice slight dishonest twist there at the end.

>“This is the second death, the lake of fire.” Those who overcome by placing their faith in the Overcomer “shall not be hurt by the second death” (Rev. Rev. 2:11+): Those who participated in the first resurrection need not fear the second death. “Over such the second death has no power” (Rev. Rev. 10:6+).

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. (Rev. Rev. 21:7-8+)

>>131877350
christianity is just fear mongering (you'll burn forever if you disobey me) and guilt tripping (I died for you). oh and the whole story doesn't make sense and was disproven by dinosaur fossils anyway. it's a total lie that only a scared fool would believe.

>>131874754
Tell that to Tacitus.

>>131877661
I forgive you.

>>131877710
Or Josephus

>>131877593

" and the devil lwho had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

I will see you in heaven my friend (:

>>131875353
Non-christians who live a good life are saved according to the Catholic church.
Not sure about other denominations.

>>131877815
where did dinosaur bones come from christcuck? they disprove everything you believe.

>>131872719
>I get my knowledege of how everything began/works from an ancient book written by people who understood nothing

oh and another fun fact. the bible says you can't eat pork so all you burger eating sinners need to repent. Deutoronomy 14:8

>>131871078
>At least Jesus did something
Nah, he was an attention craving whore. He was only one of many thousands of men who got nailed to a cross. He's not a special snowflake. Just another faggot like all the others.

>>131874040
>Make a bad decision
>Pay for it with the consequences
>THATS NOT FREE WILL

You also suffer blood loss and pain if you shoot yourself in the foot.
You have free will, just don't shoot yourself in the foot.

>>131878217
The old covenant was fulfilled by Jesus, therefore those Jewish laws from the Old Testament no longer apply.

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>>131869035
>tfw this is literally an argument of atheists

>>131877989
But they don't.

>>131878217
>doesn't know the difference between OT and NT
Cracks me up every time.

>>131874939
>being nailed to a cross and starved for days until you sink into your own chest and die
>no big deal
Never change leaf

>>131877989
Anyone who denies that dinosaurs were here before us millions of years ago is just plain silly. And I say this as a Christian. Dinosaurs were a neccesary evil. Without them, we would have had no oil.

>>131878364
the old testament doesn't apply to christianity? but that's like half the book. the new testament doesn't even make sense without the old one.

>>131874511
Kek.

Best post of the day.

>>131869935
>dies knowing everything will be ok and people will worship the shit out of him because he spent a few hours on a cross with nails in his hand

>>131878740
yeah but that means your creation story is false. the bible never mentions them. the bible says humans were among the first lifeforms to ever exist.

>>131874511

>Heresy the post

Implying Jesus was created by adultery.... Anon save your soul in time.

>>131869035
> knows that Jesus died for his sins
> Still rejects and mocks Jesus

One first class single ticket to hell please

>>131878530
>this meme argument is literally too complex for christcucks to counter

>>131878943
The book was written by people and is full of teachings, many in the form of parables.
Has an adult ever lied to a child while teaching them to remove unnecessary complexities in order to convey meaning and understanding over complete correctness?

Interpreting meaning is more important.

i hope this fag gets doxxed

>>131879016
>sends you to hell, so you suffer and burn there for an eternity because of mean words
>loving god
You are a fucking joke.

>>131869935
Crucifixion's a doddle

He forgot to mention the part where Jesus rose again! but anyway, it was a bad and tasteless joke.

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7EvwITW-SA

>>131870632
Wow, the bible is literally anime tier.

>>131869935
>>dies literally the worst way possible
Yep & undeservedly so.

>>131879485
>Paladin Jesus battling the forces of Hell

Japan, get on it.

>>131870814
Well it isn't. It's divinely inspired not the word of god. So this is a good thing. 24% of Americans are heretics

>>131878134
No, I get it from God.

>>131878788
No, all laws except for the ten commandnents no longer apply. The old testament is there as a history of Christanity pre-Christ and the story of Man's covenant with God

>>131879332
It's not because of mean words.
It's because you rejected God and ignored all his teachings.

Saying a few words can be forgiven if you ask for forgiveness. You have to ask for forgiveness and mean it, and you have to have a true willingness to improve. If you don't even acknowledge God's existence and knowingly attempt to turn others against God, you are aiding and embedding the enemy.

You can be arrested for second degree murder for simply standing idly by and watching someone die. Take responsibility for your actions.

>>131869035
>a jew discrediting jesus

How odd. Makes my noggin start joggin.

>>131879709
>embeddings
abetting*

Reminder that Jesus died for our sins so if we don't sin then he died for nothing.

>>131879272
so the bible isn't the word of god?

Why is everyone who labels themselves an atheist or a skeptic a completely retarded faggot?

>>131879016
shermer is skeptical about everything besides every scheme pushed by the government modern liberal philosophy. really makes you think

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>>131879009

What if I told you that god is real, and Jesus as he's called did exist, but their truth has been obscured by lies told to you by dishonest, untrustworthy people who are after your complaince and help in their machinations?

Religion is a cult founded on evil in the name of good. And now they openly mock your beliefs because they created them and those beliefs mean nothing to them but another lie in a string of lies.

You are a toolbag. WAKE UP.

>>131880023
Dunning-Kruger effect. They know next to nothing about religion since they're not religious but feel like they know enough to talk about it, so they do.

>>131869035
This was really funny when I said it to the class when I was 11 years old in Sunday School. Teachers flipped a shit.

But this is an adult, does he honestly think this is clever?

>>131880125
is that gnosticism i smell? fuck off with your luciferian inversion bullshit. the only tard in this equation is gnostics

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>>131874485
Surrounded by jews.

>>131874485
It's up there. Crucifixion is incredibly painful and can take days to over a week to finally kill you.

>>131880217
just saw your previous retarded posts. yeah gtfo and find yourself a davinci code subreddit. its hilarious how easy it is to spot these gnostics, no matter what manner they dress their bullshit up, they may not even realize that they are spouting gnostic lies.

>>131869935
Tons of people would be willingly crucified if they knew they'd live forever afterwards and be worshiped by billions of people.

>>131880217
I see the gnostic texts as valid pieces, as valid as the writings and commentaries of the saints.

>>131879967
It is but it isn't.
The bible was written by God's followers but is the word of God.

Also I can cite to my argument you did not attack that still stands.
>Has an adult ever lied to a child while teaching them to remove unnecessary complexities in order to convey meaning and understanding over complete correctness?

>Interpreting meaning is more important.

My point is that instead of trying to pick apart words or inconsistencies, instead interpret meaning. The bible is not some notarized legal contract, it's teachings recorded by followers.

>>131880462
>tons of people would be willingly crucified if they knew they'd live forever
yeah, they're called christians in the 3rd century.

>>131880521
>gnostics
>valid
no, sorry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDyl1qrpj_Q

>>131869035
>>131870814
>>131870935

Jews and their slaves hard at work today.

>>131880411
What if you're a big guy?

>>131869035
it was the experiential pain (physical and mental) of being human, suffering, and going through the life/death cycle. the sacrifice was genuinely reducing Himself to our level for 30+ years, not a weekend Michael Shermer. Holy fucking shit he can't be that stupid.

the funny thing is that christtards ACTUALLY think that shit happened. They literally think le sky beardman made a garden with an apple, and that we're all sinners because god made us that way, so we would all normally go to hell, but then god came down and said nah you don't have to, but only if you worship this dude, even though I already said put no other gods before me.

It's so mind-boggling, you wonder if any of these people are even capable of critical thought.

>>131880875
>dude hurr he can't le be that stupid that he doesn't buy into my retarded interpretation that nobody else agrees with hurr durr

kys christcuck

>>131880988

Even Jesus taught in parables. To take the bible literally is to detract from it's meaning.

>>131870632
I would like to know more. please point me to scripture and/or in-canon text about this

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>>131880742
Said the christian puppet on a jewish leash.

>>131870814
Because if one does they might literally be retarded

>>131880742
like the Jews working hard to turn the Romans into cucks?

>>131881220

>Created with original sin

For fuck's sake, its the first fucking story in the fucking book.

>>131880217
everything you've ever heard or read from your religion came from the mind of man.


fuck you, golem.

>>131881131
Ah yes, of course. If it doesn't make sense, you'r suppose to jiggle it around in your head until it does. What a brilliant religion.

>>131881386
>>>/r/danbrown

>>131869035

Praise baby JESUS!

>>131869035
>Being dead for 3 days isn't incredible.

>>131881376
>god creates humans
>humans do """bad""" thing because god programmed them to do it
>god gets pissed when they do it

yeah, nice strategy fagtron.

>>131881131
oh so you mean it's intended to be vague so people can just come up with their own assumptions and then use those assumptions to legitimize the line of bullshit they've been fed?

so it's like sloganism?

like "change"

or "support our troops"

??

>>131881386
>everything you've ever heard or read from your religion came from the mind of jews.
Fixed

>>131881476
>>>/r/lowIQandproud

>>131870632

Yes he did. A mans man!

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>>131881519

>>131881476
I'm sorry I don't get the reference.

is this some new meme with 16 year olds?

>>131879485
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning:_The_Bible_Stories

well there's an old testament anime

>>131881749
he's a rural/suburban retard who thinks gnosticism comes from the guy who wrote the Da Vinci code.

>>131881790
no I meant linking to adult requests.

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>>131869035
Would you even sacrifice your Friday evening for anyone of us? I know i wouldn't i would rather let everyone rot in hell than sacrifice my evening where i would probably do nothing but play vidya.

Appreciate what he did for everyone.

>>131869035
I mean if you consider the whole dying thing then i can see how it's a sacrifice

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>>131869035
>Be Jesus
>Fake death
>Come back
>Eventually die for real
>Realize reincarnation is a thing
>Reincarnate as Machiavelli
>Tell everyone how it's done
>Die again
>Reincarnate as 2Pac
>7 days killumanit kang n sheeeit
>tfw

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>>131879485
I disagree. Anime can be entertaining.

>>131869035
He bore the weight of ALL sin.

Also (((Shermer))).


>>131870814
Nope.

>>131872189
>Buddha
>wise
t. IQ 80

>>131882022
macky was right about religion.

it's valuable but people fall for it like a trap.

jesus sacrificed his position at the right hand of his father in heaven so that he could get shit on for years and live among filthy perverted humans in a hellish physical realm for years.

his death was only a small part of his life, which saw him upending the course of civilization for thousands of years.

>>131880261
Criminally underrated

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>>131870814
only retards and atheists take it literally... coincidence?

>>131873653
>choose not to believe
you believe something because you are convinced of it, not because you choose it, faggot

>>131881790
spergs and fedorals such as yourself though are going to be getting most of their ideas about gnosticism from dan brown, even though they don't realize they are falling for gnostic lies. youre doing great, keep it up.

>>131882454
So people are allowed to interpret the Bible as they see fit? Since nothing is literal, its all just subjective?

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>>131869035
Everything was torture for Jesus; He was separated from the Father, and took flesh. Consider a Sims game: after creating a town and all the Sims in it, they then proceed to corrupt the town. Would you give up living in the real world and live in the game as a regular sim for 30 years, unable to use cheats, and in the end die tortured by those very Sims you came to die for?

>>131874040
Yes. Just because choices have consequences doesn't mean you don't have the ability to choose.

>>131869035
I am anti-religion but i HATE idiots like this BEING TAKEN SERIOUSLY.
It is a shit display of ignorance that drags everyting down.
He supposedly came back then went away again.
It is good as some though provoking and a little joke but nothing to be smug about.

>>131882707
up to you nigger. books 1-11 of genesis weren't written by moses, they were written centuries later in babylon. that's why genesis has such a mesopotamian slant to it.

>>131880760
>>131874485
cant into roman torture mathematically Crucifixion was the worst way to die

>>131882454
books more complex than i thought it can only have one meaning

>everyone a retard but me the post

>>131874680
People in hell feel God's wrath (John 3:35) so he clearly is present there

>>131875353
He doesn't love non-believers that die

God became Man to subject himself to the punishment of sin. The only way for fallen humans to be forgiven of sin is through a mediator - a mediator that is both God and Man. God so that infinite sin can be absorbed in finite time and Man so that it can be our sin that is forgiven. In the death of Christ our debt is payed and the justice of God is satisfied. God being infinite substitutes himself for us, suffering our eternal punishment at one time. Death is defeated and the law is upheld. Through the act of faith - the acceptance, confession and belief in Christ's work, we are joined in his death and resurrected with him. Man who was once in rebellion against God is changed by God, freely, out of love.

>>131883493
This.
Its not a hard concept guys.

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"If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all good. And if he's all good, then he cannot be all-powerful."
-Lex Luthor
Unbeatable logic by a fictional character.
Checkmate, christianfags.

>All knowing loving God.
>Creates ultimate evil.
Hahahahahaha

>>131881543
>God programmed man to sin
God gave man free will, and was created without the knowledge of sin.

>God gets pissed when they do it
He already anticipated it happening, and had a plan to redeem us from the start which is why the Bible says Jesus was "foreordained before foundation of the world". And of course He gets sad when man sinned, even if it was anticipated, it doesn't make it any less painful to Him.

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>>131876786

>>131883963
>God gave man free will, and was created without the knowledge of sin.
Could God have given us free will without the capacity to gain knowledge of sin?

>>131877989
they died

>>131871078
Kek gives us digits.

>>131883791
Epicurus is not a fictional character, and Epicurus is the source of that argument. Even then, that argument was just a strawman argument that Epicurus formulated specifically in order to argue against.

>>131870338
Can't wait to sex tourist poland this summer and pay 10 dollars to have your entire village suck my cock

>>131884186
There's a difference between acting while knowing sin and acting without knowing sin. It's the difference between a human and an animal.

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>>131872821

(((Shermer)))

>>131877131

The point of him being dead 3 days is that the Israelites believed that the soul didn't leave the body until then. In other words you were dead, but you weren't dead dead until the third day.

If Christ had risen before then, it have been a miracle but no one would have cared because he might have been in a coma or something else. It's why Lazarus was different to the Roman soldier's servant.

>>131879362
you could be stabbed

>>131869035
How many weekends has Michael Shermer given up for me or anybody else?

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>>131880988

>>131884446
It's a yes or no question, faggot, so answer it.

>>131881220
>hasn't read the Bible

>>131884556
>hates anime
>uses anarchist flag
Sasuga. You need to go back.

>>131884068
>Underrated
Underrated
>Underrated
Underrated
>Underrated
Underrated
>Underrated
Underrated
This is actually amazing.

>>131880411

Not to mention how he was scourged beforehand. This thread is why Mel Gibson needed to make POTC.

>>131884823
the premise of your question is flawed because you don't understand the difference between the lack of the knowledge of sin and the gaining of the knowledge of sin.

>>131869035
I don't know what more you want, dude sacrificed an entire weekend just so he could correct the mortal sins of humanity. That's more than anyone else does, it's hard to find a person who is willing to spend more than five minutes helping you with something petty and unimportant. Jesus gave up his entire weekend.

>>131884951
Faggot, listen. It's a yes or no question.

Can god create a creature with free will that also lacks the capacity to learn sin?

Take the dick out of your mouth, and answer clearly in the affirmative or the negative. Stop trying to play some rhetorical shell game.

>>131880462
This.

>>131885155
Do you understand the difference between lack of the knowledge of sin and the knowledge of sin or not? Explain if you do. It is central to your question and you are ignoring it.

>>131869935
>standard execution for that time & region
Yes, that really makes Jesus totally special.

>>131873645
>>131874680
Yes you literally burn in hell, Bible is very clear on that. However you don't burn forever, Bible is very clear as well that everything burns up eventually (Mal 4:3). Hell is not separation from God either, hell is literally caused by God, it is where He destroys sinners completely down to their soul (Matt 10:28). God IS the eternal fire that consumes the wicked (Heb 12:29; 2 Thes 2:8). Hell is not caused by the devil either as even he is thrown into it (Rev 20:10). Hell is not happening right now (2 Pet 2:9), hell has a starting point and an ending point.

tldr: God is hellfire, hell is when sinners stand in God's revealed Presence, hell is not happening right now, and He will destroy both sinners and the devil in the end.

>>131885227
Less cock sucking, more yes or no answers.

>>131883791
he is morality so he is

>nu/pol flag
not suprised

>>131885301
you can't even answer mine so I have no obligation to answer yours. You are pointedly ignoring it.

>>131885236

>standard execution for that time & region

Does that somehow change the fact that it's an obscenely wretched way to die?

>>131869035
Its the thought that matters I guess.

>>131885344
>didnt read op's message
He didnt die, faggot. He had a bad weekend.

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Remember if you don't sin then Jesus died for nothing

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>>131880261
he was a jew so its fine if he died among them retard.

>>131885564
Romans 3:23

>>131885342
You answered my question with a question. You do not get an answer to my question until you stop being a faggot and answer.

Now answer the question:
Can god create a being with free will that also lacks the capacity to learn and understand sin?

>>131870632

Is that some mormon thing?

>>131885634
Yes, it's called an animal. Now answer mine.

>>131883963
we have a saying here
"don't leave a sausage in a dogs house"

your jewish desert god is a retard, even niggers aren't that stupid.

>>131885622
Anusfuck 6:504

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DEUS VULT DEUS VULT DEUS DESU DESU DESU DESU

>>131869035
A bunch of people on Utoyah sacreficed their lifes to show nationalisms true colours, but marxists aren't really people so they didn't sacrefice anything.

>>131869035

I hope Christians disappear from earth and are replaced by something worse so than
muslims so that i can see cowards like you repent and get on your knees and convert.

>Taking the bible literally

I'm a fedora tipper, but jesus christ, that's sandnigger tier to take anything in the bible at face value. The earth was very obviously also not made in 6 days, yet it says so in the bible. That doesn't mean the bible is literally wrong, it just means you don't know what a "day" is in this context and how long it actually is.

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>>131885847
DSEUS VUALTS!

>>131869935
God is an emo faggot who manifested himself into human form to masochistically kill himself and I'm supposed to be grateful why? He's God, no one had to force him to do that shit, he could do anything he want, he's omnipotent
Serves him right for doing it to himself for all the suffering he's caused innocent people though, he should do more to himself

>>131885599
>>131885754
>>131885817
Nice autism

>>131884186
What is free will if you are metaphysically barred from doing one thing? If I gave you $1000 dollars and say you're free to spend it on literally anything you want and then remove all (whatever it is you want to buy) from the universe so you can't buy it, then I would have cheated you of true freedom of buying anything. That's not true freedom, that's not true free will.

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>>131885634
Answering yes or no without being allowed to elaborate is not fair.

No. Because what you are asking for is a paradox.
You cannot have both free will, and the inability to commit sins.
We were gifted with morality and free will. We understand the difference from right and wrong, and we are given a choice.

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>>131886181
deus VULT!

>>131878916
>he knows everything will be okay
"Father, why have you forsaken me?"

>>13188620
>>131886067
>>131886271
Good autism

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>>131886181
i tip my bible to you good sir! deus vult!

>be all powerful desert god
>create man and other shit
>man sins
>oy vey goy, u fukked up!
>g-god pls, can we start over?
>norefunds.jpg

>>131886366
>when you don't have any arguments except memes

>>131881376

unless every single one of us were giving a choice to eat the apple, then we were created with original sin by default.

what say you to that?

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>>131886362
praise JESUS! BTW Christianity = autism. you ever see the god warriors? DEUS VULT! Gods chosen are autistic!

>>131869035
Brand New did it better.

>>131886462
>more memes

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>>131886416
>when you realize that arguing with christians is just as pointless as arguing with a leftist

>>131883791

Thank you Jesus for driving out all the White people who grew our food and for my mother having me, her 8th kid when she couldnt even support one

>>131886526
>when you still care enough to reply anyway

>>131869935
so what? he's resurrected and goes to being god again... wow such sacrifice

>>131880462
Except Jesus didn't know, so your point is m00t.

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>>131886416
>>131886515
>>131886557
Its alright. Should you be reading your bibble?

>>131878740
Majority of oil comes from plankton

>>131869935
if he walked on water and could do other miracle bs he could have also just used his God powers to block out the pain from getting nailed and whatever which defeats the whole purpose of God becoming human.

>>131885688
There is no difference. Gaining the knowledge of something removes the lack of knowledge of something. Unless you're trying to play some halfassed rhetorical shell game where doing something was wrong was only wrong once you were told it was wrong, and doing such things out of ignorance was acceptable.

More importantly however, here comes a problem. If your affirmative answer is correct, we cannot be held responsible for sin. We were, after all, created with a fundamental flaw that the creator could have not had in there. There are creatures that do not have this fundamental flaw, you've even given examples in the form of animals. You were created with the purpose of failure, and therefore your failures do not belong to you but the one who created you to fail.

You are sinless, god is the sinner, because he could have created you as unable to comprehend, understand, or commit sin. Failure to create a creature incapable of sin is god's fault and he bears responsibility for all resulting sins.

Jesus did not die for your sake. Jesus died for god's sake. And it did not correct the problem. Sin persists after Jesus' death.

This leaves us with three possibilities of what god is, the three Fs.
Failure, Fool, Or Fiction.

He can only be one of these things. He is either a failure who can not create a fix for his errors in creation, or he is a fool who believes his failures to be successes, of he is a fiction at which point his inconsistency is irrelevant, as he is not real.

>>131885752
So you're saying free will is bad? That's some Orwellian shit right there.

>>131871474
>can forgive you and send you to heaven
>doesn't

>jesus dindu nuffin

>>131886626
>makes a meme chart with two different things
very good autism, yes

>>131871078
>How about Buddha ?
he's not a god nor does he make any demands

>>131869035
Looks like Mr. (((Shermer))) could stand to benefit from a little perspective on life and death. Being nailed on a cross for a few days should do the trick -- then he would understand death to be a release from suffering, rather than a "sacrifice" in itself.

Or he would if he weren't hellbound regardless.

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>>131886737
I understand that you can't read very well.

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>>131882130
Which anime is this?

>>131869035
Just a reminder, OP has made only 1 post. Look for yourselves, 1 post by this ID, and already 284 replies. Yeah, the bait is strong in him.

>>131874040
>pay lip service to invisible sky daddy
>be an absolute fucking bastard in life, rape kids, torture people and fuck a goat
>forgiven

>be edgy atheist but with a heart of gold
>lol damned forever to Hell

>>131886808
>>131886825
WOOOO MAYMAYS
I LOVE MAYMAYS

>>131886626
Keep going lad, christcucks deserve to be mocked relentlessly. kike on a stick is never every going to not be true

>>131886795
Hey man God has already chosen those who are going to enter heaven it is written in the book of life already. So whats the point hm?

>>131886704
>where doing something was wrong was only wrong once you were told it was wrong, and doing such things out of ignorance was acceptable.
But that's how it is when we are babies and toddlers. We do things that are wrong and we do not know they are wrong until we understand they are wrong or are held accountable. So we are blameless but still have free will. The same is with animals and Man before the apple.

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>>131886862
SAME! DEUS VULT DEUS VULT!

>>131874485
have you been flogged then crucified lately then made to carry a cross to your death.

I don't care that Jesus was a brown arab jew who certainly wasn't white and that christianity was made by non white people. They were fucking based.
Pagans are the real racists
Christianity is about embracing brown culture and celebrating it's superiority over Europe, after all it civilized the European people
White people were nothing without Christianity. Especially the snow nigger savages

>>131886925
>still can't argue like a normal person so he has to resort to memes
OMG I LOVE MEMES XD

>>131886882
Could you please tell us about the origin of the word "kike"?

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>>131886939
>have you been flogged then crucified lately then made to carry a cross to your death.
I must say we should flog and crucify every single christian along with every single leftist that way they can experience the same joy.

>>131874357
>Given over a half century to discover the truth
>Spend it all being a major faggot and dancing with pagan scum
>Dies at 70, too retarded to ever stumble upon the true faith.
>OH NO! GOD IS THE REAL MONSTER! HOW CAN I BE PUNISHED FOR BEING AN INCOMPETENT RETARD!

Pathetic.

>>131886124
>>131886977
Changing flags doesn't reset your ID you know.

>>131886925
Thank you I am saving all these spicy memes for future use against the protomarxists

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>>131887002
HOW DOES ONE ARGUE WITH A RELIGION? HOW DOES ONE ARGUE FAITH? YOU CAN'T NUMBSKULL. GOD SAY IT MUST BE TRUE THEREFORE IT IS TRUE! Fucking low IQ slav.

>>131887055
>equating corrupted Christianity with actual Christianity
Yeah, no argument. only straw men

>>131883493
What?

>>131887130
EPIC TROLL INDEED XD
>>131887144
>still can't argue like a normal person

>>131869035
Michael ((Shermer)). Everytime

>>131886707
putting retards in retarded situations is bad
would you leave your child in a room with rat poison shaped like candy?

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>>131887168
ACCKKKSHULLLLY

>>131887107
>Christcucks feeling that threatened by my post
You worship a shit skin god, idiot

>>131887221
Still no argument. only autism.

>>131887221
>more memes
>>131887239
>le ironic flag and post xd

>>131883791
The only way for a being to be truly benevolent is if the being has the capacity to do evil. A being that can only do good does it not out of benevolence, but because it cannot do otherwise. God is omnipotent and can do great evil, but chooses not to, which makes Him omnibenevolent.

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>>131887197
>thinks hes a normal person
you are anything but normal.