"Cultural Marxism" is a myth

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You post this thread all the time, but you realized your previous style was just getting you shit. Now you're trying a different tactic. Don't fall for it, lads

>>131844322
Answer me. What makes you believe "cultural Marxism" is real, or that the Franks were specifically plotting to infiltrate western culture?

>>131844322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odhhGmwxZ5I

>>131844216
Bumping for answers.

You're not gonna get an answer, fampai. Cultural Marxism is a meaningless meme that nobody on /pol/ can explain if their fucking life depended on it. It's something they say because other apes said it to them.

>>131846904
/pol/ comes off to me as a bunch of whiny kids who fall into hysterics as much as the "SJWs" whom they hate.

>>131844322
>Resist attempts to educate yourself! Stay in the dark! Remain a laughingstock! Cuckoldry is great!

what you sound like

>>131847241
Cry more. It sounds real intelligent.

>>131847285
Funny thing is, /pol/ might like Adorno. Richard Spencer has praised him, after all.

>>131844216
>silence when someone who might be educated on this subject posts
wtf i hate infowarriors now

>>131847241
Spot on. Unironic anti-SJW SJWs

I'm listening to this. It's all very interseting so far.

It's way way beyond what /pol/ would ever get. They wouldn't get a word of since no one here knows philosophy or theology.

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>>131844216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3T_H2LZ54

Watch this

then blow me

>>131847612
The Jewess in the video makes the point that, considering /pol/'s antisemitism and hatred of the Frankfurt School, and proclamation that they "know" why Judaism is "evil", for them not to bring up antinomian Judaism as the alleged "root" of Frankfurt School thought proves how ignorant they really are.

For instance, Gershom Scholem, the theologian who wrote books on kabbalah and the Sabbatian heresy, shared a lot of his works with Benjamin and there is little doubt Benjamin used this theology as the backbone of his critical theory.

>>131844216
>yes goys, the only way we're gonna bring about communism is by infiltrating and subverting media with commie propaganda.

>>131847804
Seen it. Thorium proves nothing.

>>131847996
So, who in the Frankfurt School had this idea?

Also, if you're going to say Gramsci, realize Gramsci wasn't a member of the Frankfurt School, and none of his works were published until after WWII.

>>131844216
You are not Marxist. That much I can see by reading your writing.

>>131848016
Sure, goy. How is cultural marxism NOT the fingerprint personification of marxism in the economical sense?

>>131848339
What makes you think so?

>>131848445
If you're talking about modern identity politics, the type found in academia and on tumblr, then you should be blaming post-structuralism, not Marxism.

>>131844216
"Whites don't have culture".
Literally cultural marxism.

>>131848756
What the fuck does a ridiculous statement like that have to do with Marxism or the Frankfurt School?

>>131844216
>whites don't have culture
>all cultures are equal
>multiculturalism is superior

>>131848936
Again, what do these statements have to do with Marxism?

>>131848999
Is multiculturalism not a marxist value? Are all people not equal?

>>131848831
Franz Boas, a literal german jew marxist, created cultural relativism.

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>>131848708
Yup, and Jacques Derrida, Judith Butler were jews, Jean Baudrillard was an actual marxist, and Michel Foucault was a gay. All post-structuralist writers.

So what's the big fucking difference

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>>131848999
not gunna fall asleep 30 mins before the pesident was announced like last time

gunna lisen to the hwole thing this time

would of could of but did we did? yes

fucking got it right in we did for that was who the thing was for, i knew it, but we knew it was not to be it was for the sundry i wouldnt want to tell her right, megyn why did she did this we might never know, but for one thing wedid know msnbc did they what could ever have been done, for that is the reason sleeping in themyriad of dreams the boundary between wake and lies for the scythe dips its blade

into the dreams of the sewer rat which scuttles the reason for which they did i wouldnt have could known for the possibility we could never see the reason for why that was had to be it didnt have to be but it did.

could for the reason dogs are attractive to be because of the size of the shaft but the fisher knows no darkness in his heart the pole it leads him to the sleep

>>131849141
Multiculturalism has nothing to do with Marxism. We Marxists believe in proletarian internationalism.

>>131849260
>Yup, and Jacques Derrida, Judith Butler were jews,
How did Judaism influence them? Explain.

>Jean Baudrillard was an actual marxist,
He gave up on orthodox Marxism though.

>>131848708
Post structuralism's core component is critical theory

>>131849318
>proletarian internationalism
>global slavery
Good job Kike.

>>131849318
Sure you do, and how is ANY government going to achieve that ideological goal? Give out free healthcare and chicken tendies?

The whole point is that, although Marx and friends didn't "believe" in gays getting married, their ideology creates a thought process that has a product which is what you see today

>>131849502
It's actually Heidegger.

>>131849318
Internationalism and multiculturalism the same thing.

"People are ultimately divided more by class than by nationality." is a major tenet of marxism

>>131849557
Did you miss the part where i said component as opposed to philosophical influence you illiterate

>>131847533
kek

anyway the term 'cultural Marxism' is thrown around so much that even if it had any sort of concrete definition its been lost by now

>>131849705
You implied PoMo was in some ways a "spinoff" of the Franks' works.

>>131847819
/pol/ knows nothing of Judaism, Christianity, or philosophy.

Everything for them is viewed in a simple lens of black hat vs white hat. And being a collection of losers they associate being victims with the white hat.

So the Jews are the evil oppressors that keep them from getting a girlfriend or from any good videos from getting released.

>>131849421
They were literally born jewish. How does being born into a cult-like, religion based mindset NOT influence their worldview? Are you that dense?

>He gave up on orthodox Marxism though.
Point is he is/was still a Marxist. You said Post-structuralism was to blame. Post-structuralist writers are Marxist/Jews.

Really converts my cashews

>>131849631
>multiculturalism IS internationalism
OP BTFO

>>131849783
ok, you're just fucking with us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTmNWY0ZPfM
Death to commies.

>>131844514
You probably make these threads every damn night and get beat down the same way every damn night.

Go away.

Sage if u take the bait

>>131849835
It's also hilarious how they blame the Talmud for "Jewish infiltration" yet have no idea as to what the Talmud actually says, or that it's not even a book but a compilation of debates.

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This
>>131849631
and
>>131849855

Fucking BTFO

>>131849917
Its true though, literally anything is cultural marxism, on /pol/ in particular

>>131849989
Commie What?

>>131849855
No, I want you to explain which aspects of Judaism had an influence on their thought.

>>131850032
>anything bad is cultural marxism
true. now GTFO.

>>131849806
>marxist reading comprehension
I never said anything about post modernism you fucking imbecile i was talking about post structuralism which is not the same thing .Heidegger was an existentialist and was an influence on post structuralist thinkers but critical theory formed and the bed rock of post structuralist thought

>leftypol tries to pretend that they aren't destroying the West again for the 84927493393rd thread

You know that you are wasting your time by coming here with your lies, right?

>>131849952
I've seen that video as well.

Again, he barely explains what the Franks actually thought or said. He claims Marcuse was a free love guru despite the fact that Marcuse himself later denounced the hippies as capitalist consumers. He blames Adorno for identity politics even though Adorno hated idpol and was opposed by the feminists of his own uni. He also doesn't mention Benjamin, who, despite his early death, was by far the most influential member of the Franks and the only one to use specifically Jewish concepts in his works.

>>131850051
Trolling people to kill themselves. Trolling people to give up life, tiny bits at a time.

>>131850177
Has /leftypol/ replaced reddit as the /pol/ bogeyman now?

>>131844216
It's Marxism applied to society rather than economy. Economic Marxism has the bourgeoisie as the oppressors and the proletariat as the oppressed. Cultural Marxism has women/gays/trans/coloreds/etc. as the oppressed and straight cis Christian white men as the oppressors. Both advocate for a revolution to strip away power from the opressors. Over time, the Frankfurt school spread its influence among colleges and universities and journalism/movies, implanting the ideas into impressionable kids in the 60s and it mutated into the world spanning monstrosity it is today.

>>131850177
I love how even when they come here with their post modernist newspeak they get BTFO and its funny how these threads only happen late at night

>>131850177
They don't have to pretend. The entire poinit of marxism is to turn the entire world into a deracinated shopping mall for the jew to rule over.

>>131850252
To be fair you guys are slightly smarter than reddit... slighty so wear it as badge of honor.

>>131850252
The Bogeyman is >>131850252.

>>131850242
What the fuck does this have to do with Judaism or deconstruction?

Why don't >>131850252 kill yourself.

>>131850051
>Marx concludes, that "the Christians have become Jews"; and, ultimately, it is mankind (both Christians and Jews[14] that needs to emancipate itself from ("practical") Judaism.

Go read a book. I'm not your philosophy teacher. If you can't see the correlation between jews, marxism, and the new bullshit left, you are blind, mam.

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>>131850536
rude

>>131850465
Jews are literally trolls that troll people into killing themselves while the Jews magically end up with all the money.

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>>131844216
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion

>>131850051
heres a redpill for ya commie
“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild.
This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....” mikhail bakunin

>>131850591
Do you understand anything about Judaism, or what the Jews actually believe?

If not, STFU on the link between leftism and Judaism because you obviosuly don't know what you're talking about.

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Jews not only created cultural marxism but marx was a kike, lenin the founder of the soviet union was a kike, and lenins chosen successor trotsky was a kike.

Jew NKVD head Yagoda famined 6,000,000+ European Christians in the 1930's. With the help of Jew married Molotov.

>>131844216
Do you ever tire of this exercise in futility shill?

>>131844216
Simple, during the Weimar Republic a large group of Marxists were running around publishing shit on sexology and other stupidity. (See Magnus Hirschfeld) Once the Nazis took over they all left for Western Europe because oddly enough the USSR wasn't a very accommodating place. As a result all of these left wingers infected the soft sciences (primarily sociology) in the US. It is that simple.

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>>131844216
>antinomian Judaism

There have been many threads on Eli Zevi's 1666 cult and the Donmeh. Here's some an old pic and some links i saved from previous threads.


>Ottoman era crypto-Jew Donmeh cult runs Turkey, and Saudi Arabia for the benefit of Israel
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/node/242
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/node/243

>>131850671
Explain how Judaism creates feminism.

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>>131850734
Jews created communism and run/ran it from top to bottom, ratboy. Enjoy your time in France while you can no doubt all of you are getting relocated to the desert very soon.

>>131850787
>lenin the founder of the soviet union was a kike,
Lenin wasn't jewish

The Jews trolled Hitler into invading Poland. The Jews trolled the entire modern world into existence. They trolled Israel into existence. They trolled the West into committing suicide.

>>131850734
>Jews create communism
>Jews were and still are the main force behind modern liberalism
>LALALA THERE IS NO JEWISH CONNECTION
That really hmmm'd my haaaaaa's comrade

>>131850863
*Sabbatai Zevi

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>>131850223
>despite the fact that Marcuse himself later denounced the hippies as capitalist consumers.
>despite the fact that Marcuse himself later denounced the hippies
>later denounced the hippies
>Later
Seems like a reoccurring theme with Communists.

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>>131850868
Jews created and run feminism from top to bottom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Feminists_by_religion

>>131850787
So explain: how does Judaism lead to Jews adopting communism?

>>131850863
>Eli Zevi
Sabbatai Zevi

>>131850845
Yeah honestly reading about the Weimar time and how modern history brushes over it is fucking disgusting. Absolutely fucking horrifying. It is the peak of Jewish and communist perfidy at the cost of an innocent population.

>>131844216

Cultural Marxism is just satanism for academics

>>131850885
LURK MOAR NORMIE

>Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was from a family of serfs; his ethnic origins remain unclear, with suggestions being made that he was Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin, or Kalmyk.[2] Despite this lower-class background he had risen to middle-class status, studying physics and mathematics at Kazan Imperial University before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility.[3] Ilya married Maria Alexandrovna Blank in mid-1863.[4] Well educated and from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity

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>>131850918
>That really hmmm'd my haaaaaa's comrade

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>>131850995
I don't pretend to understand your gutter religion ratboy, i'm simply stating that you inbreds are responsible for virtually all of the problems in the west and you still need to stand trial for the crimes of Jewish invented/run marxism in the 20th century.

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>the institute of social research in Frankfurt never existed, they did not immigrate to Columbia University because they weren't majority Jewish in the Third Reich/Western Marxists because all of those things are 'conspiracies' when they arrive at conclusions I dislike
>Douglass Kellner doesn't exist, nor has he contributed anything because the field doesn't really exist
archive.is/YzkIS
Archived version of the Wiki entry before it was selectively edited to use the "everything that I don't read about is a conspiracy and other strawmen" meme. This is about as bad as whining about scientific thought being paramount, yet denying the existence of divergent evolution applied to human cognitive ability.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

>>131850881
>>131850918
Again, you're not giving me any reason to believe adhering to Judaism leads one to take up communism.

Our entire existence is a massive ponzi scheme with the Jews at the top. They're literally sitting up there in the 1% making so much money, none of it probably doesn't even exist.

>>131851089
>everything I dislike is a conspiracy
>the Overton window doesn't exist because it's in my favour, but does exist when it's against my beliefs
>video illustrating the history of the Frankfurt school and their migration from Europe to NA has nothing to do with the teachings of said school
>waaa don't use outdated terms to address my special pet minorities
>I can discard any point while simultaneously adding my input as if that constitutes a rebuttal
I mean, a great start would be disproving the migration, as that would mean nothing of the sort ever occurred. Try: www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/modernism/kovel.htm
But discarding the post while putting in a quip=refutation. I guess there is good reason you act as you do. Diverting from the actual discussion and opting to make non-sequiturs masked as actual points is useful when you've been backed into a corner: either everything is a conspiracy laadeedaa and the members of the Frankfurt school were not doubly despised for being Marxists AND Jewish (in the Third Reich, which is what lead to their exodus to Columbia University), or they weren't Jewish and the Frankfurt school never even existed. Remember: arguing for the latter="conspiracy". Historical accuracy=mean conclusion; ergo, it is "discarded".

>>131851114
From:
https://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/essays/culturalmarxism.pdf

"Many 20th century Marxian theorists ranging from Georg Lukacs,
Antonio Gramsci, Ernst Bloch, Walter Benjamin, and T.W. Adorno to Fredric Jameson and Terry Eagleton employed the Marxian theory to analyze cultural forms in relation to their production, their imbrications with society and history, and their impact and influences on audiences and social life. Traditions of cultural Marxism are thus important
to the trajectory of cultural studies and to understanding its various types and forms in the present age."
Emphasis on "employed the Marxian theory to analyze cultural forms in relation to their production, their imbrications with society and history, and their impact and influences on audiences and social life".

>>131844216
The reason I know CM isn't a myth is because the only people who complain about it are themselves believing Marxists.

>>131851132
"The economic base of society for Marx and Engels consisted of the forces and relations of production in which culture and ideology are constructed to help secure the dominance of ruling social groups. This influential "base/superstructure" model considers the economy the base, or foundation, of society, and cultural, legal, political,
and additional forms of life are conceived as “superstructures" which grow out of and serve to reproduce the economic base."

"In general, for a Marxian approach, cultural forms always emerge in specific historical situations, serving particular socio-economic interests and carrying out important social functions. For Marx and Engels, the cultural ideas of an epoch serve the interests of the ruling class, providing ideologies that legitimate class domination. “Ideology” is a critical term for Marxian analysis that describes how dominant ideas of a given class promote the interests of that class and help cover over oppression, injustices, and negative aspects of a given society. On their analysis, during the feudal period, ideas of piety, honor, valor, and military chivalry were the ruling ideas of the hegemonic aristocratic classes. During the capitalist era, values of individualism, profit, competition, and the market became dominant, articulating the ideology of the new bourgeois class that was consolidating its class power. Ideologies appear natural, they seem to be common sense, and are thus often invisible and elude criticism."

>>131851159
"While Marx’s writings abound with literary reference and figures, he never developed sustained models of cultural analysis. Instead, Marx focused his intellectual and political energies on analyzing the capitalist mode of production, current economic developments and political struggles, and vicissitudes of the world market and modern societies now theorized as “globalization” and “modernity.”"

"A generation of Marxists, however, began turning concentrated attention to cultural phenomena in the 1920s. Perry Anderson (1976) interprets the turn from economic and political analysis to cultural theory as a symptom of the defeat of Western Marxism after the crushing of the European revolutionary movements of the 1920s and
the rise of fascism. In addition, theorists like Lukacs, Benjamin, and Adorno, who instituted a mode of Marxist cultural analysis, were intellectuals who had deep and abiding interest in cultural phenomena."

"The ultra-Marxist Lukacs of the early 1920s
intently developed philosophical and political dimensions of Marxism before returning to cultural analysis later in the 1920s."

>>131850995

Jews invert everything, and want to make the world in their image (its not its made in Gods image.

>>131851087
So explain WHAT about Judaism "creates the problems".

>>131851186
"The work of the Frankfurt School provided what Paul Lazarsfeld (1942), one of the originators of modern communications studies, called a critical approach, which he distinguished from the "administrative research." The positions of Adorno, Lowenthal,
and other members of the inner circle of the Institute for Social Research were contested by Walter Benjamin, an idiosyncratic theorist loosely affiliated with the Institute.
Benjamin, writing in Paris during the 1930s, discerned progressive aspects in new technologies of cultural production such as photography, film, and radio. In "The Work
of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" (1969), Benjamin noted how new mass media were supplanting older forms of culture whereby the mass reproduction of photography, film, recordings, and publications replaced the emphasis on the originality
and "aura" of the work of art in an earlier era. Freed from the mystification of high culture, Benjamin believed that media culture could cultivate more critical individuals able to judge and analyze their culture, just as sports fans could dissect and evaluate
athletic activities. In addition, processing the rush of images of cinema created, Benjamin believed, subjectivities better able to parry and comprehend the flux and turbulence of experience in industrialized, urbanized societies."

>>131851052
>she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity
So? Lenin wasn't Jewish. If you go back in anyones family you could find all sorts of things

>>131851215
"Max Horkheimer and T.W. Adorno answered Benjamin's optimism in a highly influential analysis of the culture industry published in their book Dialectic of Enlightenment, which first appeared in 1948 and was translated into English in 1972.
They argued that the system of cultural production dominated by film, radio broadcasting, newspapers, and magazines, was controlled by advertising and commercial imperatives, and served to create subservience to the system of consumer capitalism.
While later critics pronounced their approach too manipulative, reductive, and elitist, it provides an important corrective to more populist approaches to media culture that downplay the way the media industries exert power over audiences and help produce
thought and behavior that conforms to the existing society."

This is in direct contradiction to the "conspiracy" bit as the purpose/goal is about as open as could be. Just because Breitbart said it doesn't mean he was wrong about it; it is the injection of a Marxian lens of analysis to the Western traditional culture, specifically capitalist culture.

>>131851240
"The Frankfurt School also provide useful historical perspectives on the transition from traditional culture and modernism in the arts to a mass-produced media and consumer society. In his path-breaking book The Structural Transformation of the Public
Sphere, Jurgen Habermas further historicizes Adorno and Horkheimer’s analysis of the culture industry. Providing historical background to the triumph of the culture industry,
Habermas notes how bourgeois society in the late 18th and 19th century was distinguished by the rise of a public sphere that stood between civil society and the state and which mediated between public and private interests. For the first time in history, individuals
and groups could shape public opinion, giving direct expression to their needs and interests while influencing political practice. The bourgeois public sphere made it possible to form a realm of public opinion that opposed state power and the powerful interests that were coming to shape bourgeois society."

>>131851263
"While the Frankfurt School arguably articulates cultural conditions in the stage of state monopoly capitalism or Fordism that produced a regime of mass production and consumption, British cultural studies emerged in the 1960s when, first, there was
widespread global resistance to consumer capitalism and an upsurge of revolutionary movements, and then emergence of a new stage of capital, described as "post-Fordism," postmodernity, or other terminology that attempted to describe a more variegated and
contested social and cultural formation. Moreover, the forms of culture described by the earliest phase of British cultural studies in the 1950s and early 1960s articulated conditions in an era in which there were still significant tensions in England and much of
Europe between an older working class-based culture and the newer mass-produced culture whose models and exemplars were the products of American culture industries."

>>131851288
Pointing out the "cultural studies" of the Brits is not akin to a "conspiracy" simply because you feel as it is/strawman the critiques. The only assertion is what the "studies" profess openly.

"But British cultural studies, unlike the Frankfurt school, did not adequately engage modernist and avant-garde aesthetic movements, limiting its attentions by and large to products of media culture and “the popular.” However, the Frankfurt school engagement with modernism and avant-garde art in many of its protean forms is arguably more productive than the ignoring of modernism and to some extent high culture as a whole by many within British cultural studies."

>>131851033
Well the main thing that upsets me is when people talk about the Nazi book BBQs. The narrative pushed is that they were burning shit like Shakespeare and not shit like "Why We Should Be Allowed to Fuck Children-A Sexology Essay". Even though I am not a supporter of nazism itself, the fact that so much misinformation exists on it is annoying.

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>>131851100
This Rabbi lays out the Jewish connection to communism very well. He also asserts that Hitler had the right to wipe Jewry from Europe for their crimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTYSv_YQOVo

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Not to mention Marx was a literal Rabbis grandson and Lenin the founder of the Soviet Union was a kike. Nevermind Bela Kun, and the dozens of kike commies all across the world, etc.

>>131851136
Oh, just to add to this -- yeah, I get that there is a huge difference between postmodernism and Critical Theory, and that the SJWs, for example, are primarily postmodernist-influenced.

But genealogically CT and PoMo are like two branches on the same tree.

>>131851310
There is much more, I suggest you read up on the topic you seek to "discuss". It is quite simple to assign strawmen and proceed to attack those.
Cultural Marxism was NOT founded by pink-haired vegans, or limp-wristed antifa manginas. The assertion is that, through the introduction of various criticisms against bourgeois culture of consumerism and capitalism, various side-effects and echoes can be observed. For example, the introduction of "critical theory" to the Western sphere of influence/mainstream has had its effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory
"Concern for social "base and superstructure" is one of the remaining Marxist philosophical concepts in much of the contemporary critical theory.[4: Outhwaite, William. 1988. Habermas: Key Contemporary Thinkers 2nd Edition (2009), pp. 5-8] While critical theorists have been frequently defined as Marxist intellectuals,[5: Leszek Kołakowski's Main Currents of Marxism (1979), vol. 3 chapter X; W. W. Norton & Company] their tendency to denounce some Marxist concepts and to combine Marxian analysis with other sociological and philosophical traditions has resulted in accusations of revisionism by Classical, Orthodox, and Analytical Marxists, and by Marxist-Leninist philosophers."
But I presume the wealthy, primarily Jewish Marxian intellectuals you fantasize about "did not exist" to put forth these concepts, nor did the think-tank migrate away from Germany (remember: this is a conspiracy because....).

>>131851229
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#Childhood:_1870.E2.80.931887
"Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was from a family of serfs; his ethnic origins remain unclear, with suggestions being made that he was Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin, or Kalmyk.[2] Despite this lower-class background he had risen to middle-class status, studying physics and mathematics at Kazan Imperial University before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility.[3] Ilya married Maria Alexandrovna Blank in mid-1863.[4] Well educated and from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity.[5] It is likely that Lenin was unaware of his mother's Jewish ancestry, which was only discovered by his sister Anna after his death.[6] Soon after their wedding, Ilya obtained a job in Nizhny Novgorod, rising to become Director of Primary Schools in the Simbirsk district six years later. Five years after that, he was promoted to Director of Public Schools for the province, overseeing the foundation of over 450 schools as a part of the government's plans for modernisation. His dedication to education earned him the Order of St. Vladimir, which bestowed on him the status of hereditary nobleman.[7]"

"A conspiracy relies on some calculating, underhanded scheme initiated by people that nobody knows/can trace back to.
So, if I say "I bet my neighbour is plotting to take my land", you would ask "well, how and why?". If I don't really have some probable cause to pin on him or some proof to put forth, then it's a conspiracy because it relies on my faith.

Disproportionate Jewish control is self-admitted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVKr5lLUR4A. [Embed]

People will tell you that all individuals are just individuals first and part of a group second. This is usually espoused towards whites, by whites. It is an excellent way to fragment white solidarity in white lands. Meanwhile, Jews, blacks, Mexicans, gays, etc. all cherish and defend the groups they are a part of, and push for their identities and groups to have more representation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mZx787Htrc. [Embed]
Nobody is saying that every Jew is in a position of power. The assertion is that Jews have been very successful at having a dual identity: they are either Zionists pushing for their own interests (at the expense of others), or they are pushing for tolerance and diversity in the US. Of course, there will be Jews who will be against Israel: but those are Jews in the US. It makes perfect sense if you examine the Jewish purpose behind pushing for diversity in white nations. Jews have, historically, been in the same position of the migrants they defend. It is for that reason that they must defend the new migrants to white lands, because risking an ethno-nationalist movement means they will be the next to be kicked out.

However, the assertion of "Jewish control pushing for anti-white interests" is further exemplified when you raise these concerns to a Jew."

Convince me that Toronto exists. I refuse to go there or look at a map. I want you to verbally persuade me right now, by my secret criteria, that there is such a thing as Toronto.
I'm waiting. I'll let you know if you are successful.

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>>131851100
>Jews like money and capital
>communism focuses the capital in one area (the government)
>Jews push communism and worm their way into high government positions to get all the capital
There's a reason even Stalin killed every fucking Jewish rat he could find.

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>>131850995
I already corrected myself you smug cunt.

You niggers better have all those juicy redpills you've seen over the years saved in a text document. I seriously hope you don't let /pol's blessings slip you by.

>>131851203
More like Gangsterism is what it is.

>>131851355
Yes, that is what he quoted. What is your point?

>>131851388
"You will find a black person who has great disdain for niggers in the US and niggers, historically. You can find self-hating blacks (rightfully so), because they realize the cancer their people are.

However, you will not find a Jew that will not immediately jump to the defence of his people. If you elaborate on how white borders should be closed, or how white nations should not intervene in the Middle East, or how whites should dictate their own affairs, you will be called the usual 'ism' names for preserving your own group: by the Jews I mentioned, the so-called "non-influential Jews". Way to show you are American first, Jewish second, by fighting for the Jewish group. Usually, immigrants are supposed to abandon their identity and become, say, British or German. But this is not happening. And when you call a Jew out for doing this, they will always say they are 'hyphen American'. No such thing exists. They will always preserve their own in-group when you raise concerns about the relationship whites have with Jews.

I can recall many conversations I have had. It goes "I do not think whites are in good condition when so much of the media is so centralized and in disproportionate control of non-whites."
I am met with 'not all Jews are like that, we Jews are nothing like that so cool it with the anti-Semitism.'
First and foremost, the priority is preserving Jewish in-group future before admitting to the inherently dualistic and parasitic relationship whites have with Jews."


Watch the following video, elaborates on Jewish role in Marxist ideology and its early implementation in Russia and what that meant for Jewish emancipation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyar0goYMdU

>>131851326
A single rabbi is not a credible source.

>>131844514
Watch Yuri Bezmenov's documentary. The KGB funded school has their teachings used as subversion in the west. Look at the way art has progressed since the Frankfurt school's postmodernism. If you want answers, watch the 'History of Political Correctness' doc from Free Congress. You don't want truth, you're just an antagonistic shit.

>>131851498
Rabbi? More like Kingpin!

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>>131851229
>So? Lenin wasn't Jewish.
Even kikepedia states that Lenin (not his real name of course) was a kike. His chosen successor Trotsky also was a kike. Lying jew rat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin

>>131851462
You assert: Lenin wasn't Jewish.

Lenin is of Jewish ancestry.
You are parroting a very common talking point: Jewishness is faith. In fact, it is also a racial group: www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664.

Lenin was a Jew, as was Marx. Not abiding by Judaism does not alter your genetic makeup. Start arguing anytime.

>>131849421
Its a long type, may i suffest culture of critique to give you a run down on jewish survival strategies

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>>131851475
Quit dumping your walls of text newfag.. jesus christ

>>131851229
His mother was half jewish you fucking commie. Ad Hoc fallacy to rescue again I guess.

>>131851531
Yuri is a hack. No thanks. I'm still waiting for someone who has ACTUALLY read the works of the Franks.

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>>131850734
Tell me, Miss jew, why are there so many jewish revolutions in recent history? Helen Suzman in Apartheid South Africa? >>131851100
It's just like when Eliezer didn't want to work, and only wanted to study Torah, and was rewarded handsomely for it. That same philosophy is seen in Orthodox jews that steal from SNAPS but have millions in the bank. You have to work for your money, and not just expect handouts

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>>131851706

Commie Trolls are trying to get us to kill ourselves, right after we make the Jews tons of money.

>>131851586
>>131851675
>His mother was half jewish you fucking commie
That doesn't make him Jewish, either ethnically or as his religion

>>131851498
You're right, instead we can observe the information laid out by the Jews themselves, like laws against anti-Semitic rhetoric in the early days of the USSR: https://ketab3.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/encyclopaedia-judaica-v-05-coh-doz.pdf
See page 91, discussing Communism.

>>131851718
So what? Corporations suck up way more welfare than the ultra-orthodox do.

The Gulags show the Jewish mindset perfectly. Work the Goyim to death, and run off with the loot!

>>131851795
>his mom was racially a Jew but that doesn't mean he is
...

>>131851795
Jewish tribal law states that Jewishness is determined from the maternal line.

This means that, if a similar law existed, a black mother and a white father make a full white black child.
Jewish law is not relevant to the discussion of Jewish genetics. Just because their culture dictates something does not change the ethnic makeup of a quarter-Jew.

>>131851646
Shut up you commie faggot that anon just BTFO out of the rest you marxists pushing your jewish bullshit

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>>131851770
He's made this thread a dozen times already and gets blown out every single time.

http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131588851/#131588851
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/131128069/#131128069
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129285451/#129285451
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/129064891/#129064891
http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/128793312/#128793312

>>131851706
Not an argument. If you are making a genetic fallacy (appealing to his lack of authority as just grounds to dismiss his claims), then you would do well to realize that he was a defector from the USSR. He has more leverage than what you assert.

>>131851880
That is correct, the majority of his background isn't Jewish so why are you saying he is racially Jewish
>>131851907
>Jewish law is not relevant to the discussion of Jewish genetics.
Correct, so why mention it

>>131851795
>being jewish doesn't make him jewish

>>131846904
This. Cultural Marxism is a meme, created and pushed at first by paleocons, namely Patty B. It was picked up by reactionarys and other degenerate dissidents to name some terrible aspect of nature, which before Americans, looms above and below, which is ever consuming.

Globalism is another name that is given to it. Moldbug calls it the Cathedral.

What it actually is?

Perhaps the devil himself.

I really do believe we are in the end times.

>>131851706
>Yuri is a hack
Not an argument you commies have not come up with a decent argument as to why he was wrong in anything he said besides muh feels

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>>131851415
You are an idiot. The jewish bolsheviks were fanatic ideologists and believed they were doing the right thing

>>131852012
I think he's an Israeli AI.

>>131851841
AAAANND here it is. The smelly jew rears her ugly nose. If the ultra-orthodox group was as big as corporations, they would be jewing way more than corporations do. False equivalency.

Didn't answer why there are so many jews behind the push for post-structualism, or how the story of Elizer and Rebbe Yochanan Ben Zakkai is literally what is going on in today's society

>>131852032
>Correct, so why mention it
You were the one who mentioned that Lenin's Jewish maternal line does not make him a Jew.

Lenin was Jewish and you have no argument beyond "Judaism is only a faith" to refute it. Unless you can refute the fact that he had Jewish ancestry, you have no argument.

>>131846904
Cultural Marxism means critical theory dumbass. Have you ever heard of intersectional feminism? Well if you do just a tiny bit of research you are going to see the word critical theory pop up over and over again

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>>131844514
Here you go faggot

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>>131851841
Claim to be Comie
>Group steals the gibs
>So what?

>>131852109
I'm not Israeli.

>>131844216
What sort of forum do think this is?
I'd look into alienation as general theme to link the two.

>>131852023
Supposedly, and whats to say he didnt say what the US government told him?

>>131852129
>the story of Elizer and Rebbe Yochanan Ben Zakkai
You mean the Achnai's Oven story?

>>131852138
>Jewish ancestry
So fucking what, lots of people have Jewish ancestry, among other things

Anti-Semitism? More like Good Samaritanism!

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>>131851329
Notice how OP refuses to admit that Cultural Marxism is the extension of Marxist ideology to cultural studies, highlighting class consciousness to the capitalist culture as a method to criticize the power structure?
He refuses to engage in debate against points raised from direct quotations of those he defends (namely, Western Marxists).

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>>131852176
Ok (((Dr. Mindbender))).

>>131852275
You have submitted your stance in the debate by admitting Lenin was Jewish. That is my assertion: that Lenin has Jewish ancestry. You and I agree, which means any position you had in an attempt to disagree with me is now forfeited.

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A chicken in every pot, an icepick in every Trot.

>>131852094
>durr reading is hard
back leftypol faggot

>>131852360
>You have submitted your stance in the debate by admitting Lenin was Jewish

fucking lmao. I said no such thing. He wasn't

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>>131850223
>opposed by feminists
Those were "white feminists"

>>131852474
How much do you get paid to distract everyone, Moshe?

>>131852213
Because you have no basis to believe that, unless you can source some operation to prove that. He could have been told by the USSR to listen to the US, for all we know.

>>131852497
Still, Adorno had nothing to do with feminism, and the man in your pic is Marcuse.

>>131852474
From your own mouth: So fucking what, lots of people have Jewish ancestry, among other things

No attempt to provide a substantive counter-argument. You say "so what he was a Jew". You and I agree. Try actually formulating a rebuttal instead of agreeing with my point. You have no basis to disagree with me because your opinion is just that: opinion. It is factual that Lenin was a quarter-Jew, unless you have some new information on his heritage you'd like to source.

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>>131852240
Go read a Talmund
THE CHAPTERS OF
RABBI ELIEZER THE GREAT

>>131852647
>durr it wasnt that guy from the frankfurt school it was another check mate natzee

Which one of you commenting on the video I linked in my OP is "Mandy Keefee"?

>>131852647
Nobody asserts that the Western Marxists were feminist vegans.
"archive.is/YzkIS"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y
"There is much more, I suggest you read up on the topic you seek to "discuss". It is quite simple to assign strawmen and proceed to attack those.
Cultural Marxism was NOT founded by pink-haired vegans, or limp-wristed antifa manginas. The assertion is that, through the introduction of various criticisms against bourgeois culture of consumerism and capitalism, various side-effects and echoes can be observed. For example, the introduction of "critical theory" to the Western sphere of influence/mainstream has had its effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory"

>>131852744
*another one

>>131852724
You should be blaming all of this on capitalism, not "da joooz".

>>131852647
The Troll Manifesto killed 200 million non-jews, and established the modern state of Israel. That's some fine trolling, you damn dumb son of a bitch.

culture is fine senpai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAExa9P7hME

>>131852665
So if someone has Jewish ancestry somehow this overrides everything else?

He wasn't Jewish,
He wasn't born Jewish
His father wasn't Jewish
His mother wasn't Jewish
He didn't practice Judaism

One of his ancestors was born Jewish and converted. HE WASN'T EVEN FUCKING AWARE OF IT DURING HIS LIFE

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>>131852311
it's classic misdirection. I wish I had that infographic on arguing with jews


You truly blew it out of the water, anon. I am proud

>>131844963
I am NatSoc but this guy brings up some good points. I'm abit torn at the moment in my ideas. As a person, I do judge people by the content of their character and don't discriminate in a belligerent way but I also don't want my fellow eurokin to be bred out of existence, it's fundamentally evil.

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>>131852814
>i got completely BTFO but capitalism is your real enemy guize believe me i totally got BTFO
god you're pathetic

>>131852862
What the fuck does Marxism have to do with Israel? Israel was never a socialist state.

>>131852814
Are you going to endlessly bump this thread, or are you going to engage in debate with criticisms of your assertion?
See: >>131852311

You have nothing but strawmen to attack. Cultural Marxism is simply the extension of the failed and unsubstantiated Marxist ideology to Western capitalist culture. Critical theory has been utilized from the Jewish intellectuals to be extended to other cultural hierarchies (between the capitalists and the culture they create, to the white straight men and the culture they create today).

>>131852814
The 1% is 100% Jewish. Game Over.

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>>131852874
>strawmaning one person this hard, because Lenin had so much more impact over all the other dirty Marxist jews

B-but hes not jewish

>>131852939
>im totally a natsoc guize look at my flag would (((I))) try to create a false consensus ?

>>131849989
Nothing is funnier to me than all the amateur Talmudic scholars on /pol/ and stormfront

>>131852874
Not an argument.

You assert Judaism is merely faith. I have already debunked this here: www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664.

He was ancestrally Jewish. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin#Childhood:_1870.E2.80.931887
"Lenin's father, Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov, was from a family of serfs; his ethnic origins remain unclear, with suggestions being made that he was Russian, Chuvash, Mordvin, or Kalmyk.[2] Despite this lower-class background he had risen to middle-class status, studying physics and mathematics at Kazan Imperial University before teaching at the Penza Institute for the Nobility.[3] Ilya married Maria Alexandrovna Blank in mid-1863.[4] Well educated and from a relatively prosperous background, she was the daughter of a German–Swedish woman and a Russian Jewish physician who had converted to Christianity.[5] It is likely that Lenin was unaware of his mother's Jewish ancestry, which was only discovered by his sister Anna after his death.[6] Soon after their wedding, Ilya obtained a job in Nizhny Novgorod, rising to become Director of Primary Schools in the Simbirsk district six years later. Five years after that, he was promoted to Director of Public Schools for the province, overseeing the foundation of over 450 schools as a part of the government's plans for modernisation. His dedication to education earned him the Order of St. Vladimir, which bestowed on him the status of hereditary nobleman.[7]"

If I don't practice Catholicism, that doesn't make me not an Italian.
And if my grandmother or grandfather was an Italian, I am an also part-Italian.

Try making an argument I haven't debunked, this is getting too easy.

>>131853060
>B-but hes not jewish

He was not Jewish by any definition. I'm done trying to talk with retards

>>131844216
Just understand that every country that moves Right against Marxism is better off.

Portugal, Spain, and Italy went Fascist and avoided Marxism. Germany fought the good fight and half of them became communist and half were free.

Every part of non-Marxist Germany is better off than the parts that went Marxist.

Indonesia killed almost 1m Marxist in the 60s and they were an Asian Tiger with the economic growth they experienced. Vietnam is still a shithole.

Chile went Right under Pinochet. They are one of the best counties in South America while Venezeuela, with MOTHER FUCKING OIL AND GAS is a fucking shithole on the verge of revolution thanks to Marxism.

Even the Iranians are probably better off under a totalitarian Muslim state are better off than if the various Marxist factions had come to power in the 70s.

Cultural Marxism is about subversive "class consciousness." But in every Marxist system people are better off without it.

Free your mind from Cultural Marxism and subversive class consciousness.

>>131853122
Because you can't just "read" the Talmud. You need a teacher to guide you through it.

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>>131852647
Are you telling me marxists don't agree on everything? You don't say.

>>131853127
Jewishness is not defined by only faith.

You are denying that Ashkenazi Jews exist.
You cannot formulate a rational argument without denying the existence of an ethnic Jewish population. What's next, Sephardic Jews who are non-religious are suddenly non-Jews?

By your logic, Jews don't exist if they are atheist. This is really sad, your anti-Semitism is leaking: you want Jews to disappear if they aren't religious!

>>131853126
>And if my grandmother or grandfather was an Italian

Then you wouldn't be Italian, end of discussion

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>>131852990
Let's see. How can we troll all the Goyim into killing themselves and giving us all their money while we sneak off to (((Palestine))).

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>>131853127
> i got BTFO but i dont wanna admit it and save face by calling this guy stupid
Try not to suck any dicks on your way back to leftypol

>>131853238
By that logic, you would not be Italian if your mother or father was Italian, either. You are arbitrarily picking a cut-off point where ethnic identity is not reflected.

Try and cite an academic source that can be replicated. So, grandparents are irrelevant to the ethnic makeup you share. Try and source literally anything that arrives at this conclusion.

Perhaps if your great x20 grandparent was black, you would not be as African. But your grandparents not inconsequential.

>>131853097

It's people like you pushing me away from the movement, not everyone is a kike or working for the kikes damnit goy

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>>131852814
HAHAHAHAHA MISDIRECTION AGAIN!
BLAME CAPITALISM THAT DIRTY JEWS STEAL VIA SOCIALISM?

Your whole argument was how does judaism and it's teachings correlate with cultural marxism, and there it is

Eternally BTFO

>>131853434
How the fuck is welfare in a capitalist state "socialism"?

>Your whole argument was how does judaism and it's teachings correlate with cultural marxism, and there it is
Except socialism has nothign to do with this fucking incident.

>>131851329
Wow just read that all, very insightful, shitlib commie BTFO

>>131853404
Good faggot we dont want any thin skinned yids anyway now like i told your friend try not suck any dicks on your way back to leftypol

>>131847451
agreed, the fascists at MPC had a great thread about a year ago: "Culturally Appropriating the Frankfurt School"

>>131853238
>>131853380
Hey look, I found a citation that refutes your assertion.

Here is a link analyzing the Ashkenazi populations of Europe: http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143

Please refute this claim, because if your assertion is truth, then this is "baseless science" that cannot exist, because it shows Jews are not merely a religious group, but that they can exist outside of faith.

>>131853528
Hey, are you going to respond to my point refuting your baseless assertion?

Here is a link analyzing the Ashkenazi populations of Europe: http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143

Please refute this claim, because if your assertion is truth, then this is "baseless science" that cannot exist, because it shows Jews are not merely a religious group, but that they can exist outside of faith.

>>131844216
yeah I don't get this meme about the frankfurt school being marxist
they were pretty anti-Marxist, above average looking at other academics of their time

>>131852724
Which Lakewood is this? I swear I've seen this happening in my old neighborhood. Obnoxious beaner and nigger families dotted in a nice white neighborhood. A nearby church suddenly had a big banner in Spanish, with a manora, talking about Judea-Christianity.

>>131853605
The OP refuses to engage in discourse, so the only way is to pester him relentlessly until he admits to the faulty reasoning he employs.


Look at his assertion here: >>131853238
So, to all you anons who have a British grandparent, you aren't actually British at all and if you say you are, how dare you be so anti-British to claim that.

>>131853528
welfare IS socialism.

>there are at least this many leftists on /pol/ RIGHT NOW
Disgusting.
Find somewhere else to spread your virus.

>>131853577
You follow the same path they did, and you'll get the same results.

>>131853670
They were somewhat Marxist but very critical of the Marxism of their day.

>>131844216
>is a marxist
>doesnt believe in marxism at a cultural level

fucking lmao is this like commie taqqiya?

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>>131853528
the capitalist-socialist dichotomy is meant for the 19th century and is obsolescent; we live under a managerial system, add James Burhnam, Sam Francis, and Joseph Schumpeter to your reading list

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>>131853573
have fun with your peabrain mate

>>131853579
Lenin had a Jewish ancestor. I haven't said that this is false. He is not Jewish anymore than he is any other ethnicity at any point in his family history
>>131853686
>So, to all you anons who have a British grandparent, you aren't actually British at all and if you say you are, how dare you be so anti-British to claim that.
Who the fuck claims they are British because they have a British ancestor?

>>131851475
This is great, keep it going

>>131853552
The only argument the Marxists can employ is to push strawmen.

So people claim that the Western Marxist of Germany were a bunch of hippie retards.

Nobody claims this. The assertion is that they extended Marxist ideology to cultural studies. From that, the school of thought's creations branched out and inspired other cultural studies, like feminist studies and queer studies.

For fucks sake, it's openly admitted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory#Subfields.

It is because they utilize the same dichotomy between "haves" and "have-nots". It is the extension of Marxist ideology (primarily the egalitarianism of Marxist ideology) to the cultural hierarchies that exist.

So, critical theory as a way of analyzing and dissecting the culture of straight people versus gays.

>>131853605
This rabbi is not Ashkenazi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyxHs3XaY8E

>>131853824
sorry guys, if you gotta explain race to this guy then you're gonna be here for a while

good luck fuckos

You call bums "homeless" implying they deserve a.

>>131853824
Why do you think they call it Jew-ish!

>>131853690
Welfare is anti-socialism since it's entire purpose is to save capitalism.

>>131853905
Great comment, fuck off

>>131853776
Have fun being a transgendered lefty pleb

>>131853956
welfare redistributes the wealth. not capitalism.

>>131851706
Did you just miss that book anon has been publishing through out this thread

>>131853824
>Lenin had a Jewish ancestor. I haven't said that this is false. He is not Jewish anymore than he is any other ethnicity at any point in his family history

Now OP refuses to believe genetic distances exist. So he is about as Jewish as any other ethnic group because his grandparents' ethnicity is irrelevant and any other ethnicity might as well count to his identity.

This is proven demonstrably untrue by simply realizing genetic distances exist between populations, and that you are the child of your parents, and they of their parents.

So, if you have Jewish parents, their parents were also Jews, which makes you: a Jewish person.

You are refusing to admit ethnicity exists past one generation. Not an argument.

>Who the fuck claims they are British because they have a British ancestor?

If you have a British ancestor, you are part-British. That has been my assertion: Lenin is part-Jewish. He was also part Chuvash. Does that mean Chuvash people don't exist?

>>131853956
>let's save capitalism by paying people to not work

>>131853882
I never quoted from a rabbi in the post you are responding to.

How typical, OP resorts to diversion instead of analyzing the point I have made. Arguing in bad faith, not an argument!

>>131853956
>A system of monetary redistribution from people who earn money to benefit the poor is not socialist

hahahahahahahaha stupid commie

>>131853978
You've never held a hammer in your life. you don't know what work truly means. Arbeit Macht Frei.

>>131851795
Judaism is matralinial

>>131851795
hahahahahahaha

You know nothing about judaism, bud

>>131854113
Culturally, yes. But by ethnic makeup, if you have an Ashkenazi Jewish ancestor, you are Jewish. It is irrelevant what some Jewish community will perceive: I am only interested in the objective fact that Jewish ancestry=Jewish ancestry, no matter if it comes from your mother or your father. So Lenin is a quarter-Jew, as it has been proven and as OP refuses to admit.

I wonder why there is such a dismissal of this historical fact: could it be associating Jews with the failed ideology of Marxism reflects poorly on the Jewish community?

>>131853978
The Soviet Union used similar identity politics to what we see today to pit the Baltic nations against each other.

>>131854095
>>131854097
Socialism isn't "anything the government does", fucking moron.

>>131853978
Not an argument, keep your emotions outside of rational debate.

>>131854263
Wealth redistribution isn't a cornerstone of socialist belief? This is the hill you're dying on, correct?

>>131854263
Using this logic, capitalism has never been tried because laissez-faire economics is not dependent on a state, so any of the "atrocities" of capitalism cannot be attributed for the same reason that the definition of capitalism is not fulfilled.

>>131854055
>Now OP refuses to believe genetic distances exist.

What the fuck are you talking about, I am not OP.

>That has been my assertion: Lenin is part-Jewish.

No, you have been saying Lenin is Jewish. Don't change your assertion

>Lenin was a Jew, as was Marx.>>131851586

>>131854182
Yes I do

>>131854263
Ad hominem - for when you have nothing cogent to say.

>>131844216
The (((Communist))) agent in charge of cultural marxism was literally Franz Boas.

>>131854029
muh joos are the reason I can't get my life on track and make friends!!!

>>131844216
The (((CIA))) promoted Modern Art. Literally cultural marxism.

>>131854352
>I have to walk people down semantic garden paths because I cant argue coherently otherwise

Part jewish is still jewish buddy, that's the end of that. Lenin is Jewish.

>>131848708

I think what's going on here is that newspeak is taking over. We're not accusing so much classical marxism as neo-marxism. So, if you're a fan of real marxist theory, well, we have no quarrel with you except on economic theory, and even then that might vary with some opinions.

The issues here are more authoritarian/libertarian or more accurately European/Semitic.

>>131854263
socialism IS welfare.

>>131854352
>What the fuck are you talking about, I am not OP.
Then you are another poster. My point still remains.
>No, you have been saying Lenin is Jewish. Don't change your assertion
I have always been saying Lenin was Jewish. He is also Chuvash. Find the original post here: >>131851355

He is Jewish. Refute this claim with your own information instead of rambling on with your non-arguments.

The post I cited, the first point I made, discusses his Jewish ancestry. Therefore he is a Jew. How much? He is partly Jewish. My elaboration does not negate the central point.

>>131844216
>>131853860
This is it OP. This is exactly what you ask for in the OP. What do you have yo say.

>>131854339
Worker control of the means of production is the crux of socialism. Welfare in a capitalist state is not.

>>131854349
False, capitalism requires a state.

>>131853956
This makes zero sense.

>>131854235
Whats the point of being "jewish" in your definition if you dont have the psychological traits of a jew? I trust the jews in this matter about whos jewish.

>>131844216
Read Mein Kampf. Hitler goes into explicit detail about it.

>>131854055
Prove race is genetic using actual scientific studies.

>>131844216
Cultural marxism is also known as the academic terms postmodernism and critical theory. I assume you've heard of those.

Modern Culture is cultural marxism. The term itself is cultural marxism. Oy vey, it's Modern!

>>131854594
>False, capitalism requires a state.

A state that perverts market values and arbitrarily inflates the worth of businesses?

Or taxes the individual?

Capitalism is without statehood as the state is not permitted to tamper with the market. Not an argument.

>>131854594
>Worker control of the means of production is the crux of socialism.
So poor people are left to fend for themselves?

>>131854594
A state is not necessary for capitalism to function.

>>131854676
post-modernism is code for cultural marxism

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>>131854440
>waaaah i got found out and now im gonna strawman cause im butthurt
what a sad sad man you are

>>131854581
I guess we are at a fundamental disagreement on what defines a Jewish person then huh

also >39 fucking posts of walls of text

>>131854640
Ok. I just did a DNA test from 23andMe. Literally gave me my racial breakdown, scientifically.

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Which one of you is Mandy?

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>>131854640
>>131853956


Jesus christ are you serious m8?

Fucking screencapped

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>>131854640
All of your arguments have already been dissected.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2013/05/why-race-as-a-biological-construct-matters/#.WVXhZdPyvAc
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/09/10/the-flynn-effect-race-and-iq/
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-intelligence-and-nutrition/
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Fuerst%2C%20John.%20%22The%20nature%20of%20race.%22%20Open%20Behavioral%20Genetics%2C%20June%2C%202015.pdf
http://www.unz.com/isteve/vox-charles-murray-is-once-again-peddling-junk-science-about/

Already refuted. You have no real argument.

Evolution is not absolute: common ancestors exist. Darwin already proved this.

>>131854795
>dna test to become israeli citizen
>fundamental disagreements

I fucking hate commies

>>131854640
I just did a scientific study on myself using ancestry.com. Literally proved race exists.

>>131854795
Jewishness has already been proven genetic, you refuse to debate my point with actual citations because you have none: http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.0020143

>>131854754
cultural marxism is a code for goyimism.

>>131854594
>>131854699
also - what happens when one or a few workers have to take on more responsibility? or have a more complex job than other workers at the same place? Or take on a managerial role? Do they get sent to the gulags? You do know that this utopia is completely impossible, right? Otherwise, you know, it would've happened by now.

If killing millions of innocent civilians to make your vision come true, still doesn't make your vision come true, it's probably because it cant come true. sorry bud

>>131854640

>23 and me test
>geographic location of my ancestors
>this is old science

I fucking hate commies

>>131854994
And yet no one here has since been able to show a clear link between the Jewish religion and "cultural Marxism". Yet the Jewish communist in video I posted in my OP was able to, because she actually reads.

>>131854640
The holiest of fucks man - come on. We are like any other organism with different genetic lineages.

>>131854756
Not a commie I just think we shouldn't judge people by the colour of their skin, their bone structure and genetics but their character, that being said I don't think what is happening in Europe is okay and it is deffs a result of the kikes.

America and Australia are 2 different stories. They aren't the white mans native homeland.

>>131854594
>capitalism requires a state.
unless you want to go back to medieval times, socialism will too, given we live in vast cities connected by transportation and communications networks spanning continents, that's why ideologies like (((libertarianism))) and (((socialism))) are stupid, the historical conditions for their realization will never exist, so they claim their ideas are good because they've never be tried, when they have but don't match technological-administrative conditions on the ground

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>>131854640
put me in the screencap

>>131850868
JOSaphine butler. Though I agree with you about cultural Marxism not being 100% kikes.

Also, look here: http://4+4ch.net/leftypol/res/1808031.html#1809315

Add 4 and 4 to put 8 in the post.

OP is a typical user of leftypol, where I have already debated his points and debunked his strawmen.

The only argument is to take the lowest hanging fruit of "Cultural Marxism was made by evil Jews to kill white people".

NO: that is not the assertion. Cultural Marxism is Marxism applied to cultural studies, which leaked out into other cultural fields of thought utilizing the same modes of analysis the Jewish Marxists used.

>>131855068
>none of you were able to prove my point but someone else WAS able to prove your point therefore you're all wrong!

??? :) ???

>>131855068
People have already cited your assertions and refuted them a few times.

YOU can't fucking read

>>131854911
>dna test to become israeli citizen

This doesn't happen

>>131854640
>>131854885
Hey, are you going to look at the point?

If you say genetic lineage does not exist, then evolution does not exist because the inheritance of genes doesn't exist.

>>131855127
what if their character is largely determined by their genetics? like with IQ averages among races?

>>131855215
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5034383/

Right of return. Start arguing anytime, it is getting old debunking your non-arguments.

>>131855215
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5034383/

KILL YOURSELF COMMIE

>>131855265
"Race" does not exist genetically.

>>131855331
>>131855316
HIVEMIND

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>>131844216
OP, you realize that your shilling only makes us stronger?

>>131855350
Already refuted here: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/
Also see: >>131854885

>>131847819
WHERE IS MY FORESKIN

IT WAS REMOVED

WHERE HAS IT GONE

>>131855267
Ofcourse but that doesn't mean EVERY nigger is some low IQ bafoon, some of my best mates throughout highschool were of other ethnicities and yes, they were quite idiotic but still valued the pursuit of happiness and were great people fun to be around.

>>131855350
The Commie word for race is Ethnicity.

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>>131855331
>>131855316
>tfw

>>131854640
INCLUDE ME IN THE SCREENCAP

>>131855316
>>131855316

This is refering to one girl who wanted to participate in the Taglit-Birthright Israel program. DId you even read what you just linked?

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>>131855350
Youre right, black people and asians have the exact same bodies and skin colour and hair and none of that is determined through genetic means

>>131855358
>le 11 points maymay

All bullshit.

>>131855358
Shhhhh.

>>131855350
It does man. I work in cancer research were we do lineage tracing to follow the development of metasteses from the primary tumor. Different races have different genetic fingerprints.

Communism is Goyimism.

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>>131844216
"This thread" is a myth
faggot

>>131855127
Nonwhites can be perfectly fine people; doesn't mean they should be in our countries. They should improve their own countries. That said, certain races have proven worthless and need to be gassed no matter what exceptions they can produce.

>>131855350
How does it make you feel that jews themselves acknowledge they are a separate race and you're alone in your weird anti-science defense of them?

forward.com/culture/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/

>>131855358
The Frankfurt school themselves did not state this.

This is the kind of disinfo that is not to be allowed. The Frankfurt school did not overtly state this, but they simply applied Marxist ideology to capitalist Western culture.

This is not an accurate position. The subsequent degradation of culture in the Western world is a result of lax morals and religious values. Marxism is atheistic, so it is a result of the ideology being implemented into the cultural sphere at the time.

>>131855516
>giving a commie race-denier a serious answer instead of a flippant one

stupid ancap poster

>>131855432
>Although genetic tests for Jewishness may have been intended to increase certainty and validate Jewish identity, they may provoke more confusion by adding another layer of definitional uncertainty. On the one hand, the existence of Jewish DNA could verify Jewish connections and provide the requisite proof to grant certain individuals access to citizenship and its associated benefits. On the other hand, it is worth paying attention to who might be excluded—those who claim belonging within the Jewish community but do not have genetic links to prove this biological connection, as well as those who will be granted limited access via citizenship but who will not be recognized as equal members of the Jewish nation.

>Jewish
>just not ethnically
>I converted so I am not equivalent to a Jew
See how far that gets you with the Orthodox rabbis.

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>race doesn't exist

>>131855565
And even if the frankfurt school weren't the ones who started cultural marxism, that doesn't mean it isn't happening now and there isn't incontrovertible evidence of it happening in all of our institutions

>>131855432
>>131855432
YOU didn't fucking read, commie.

>Birthright told Yakerson, whose family is from Russia, that to prove that she was Jewish, and eligible for the trip, she would need to take a DNA test.3 Birthright claimed that the test was required by the Israeli consulate, and further that a DNA test would be required if Yakerson ever wanted to make aliyah (immigrate to Israel).4 Yakerson's father called the policy ‘blatant racism toward Russian Jews’

>>131855350
Here is another paper that cannot exist if your assertion is correct: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2900671-5.
Information keeps piling on, pretty damning. Where are your refutations, beyond 'muh racism' or 'muh strawman you claim environment has no effect'.

>>131855610
>>131855649

>The Israeli State recently announced that it may begin to use genetic tests

I need to look into where this article came from because I assure you there are no genetic tests.

>Yakerson's father called the policy ‘blatant racism toward Russian Jews’

>>131855639
Exactly. Nobody claims they were all "we must kill all white people".

It is more so a testament to the failed Marxist ideology and how it erodes traditionalist culture, removing boundaries and standards, allowing for lax morals to incentivize degenerate actions.

See: http://archive.is/YzkIS
"Cultural Marxism refers to a school or offshoot of Marxism that conceives of culture as central to the legitimation of oppression, in addition to the economic factors that Karl Marx emphasized.[1] An outgrowth of Western Marxism (especially from Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School) and finding popularity in the 1960s as cultural studies, cultural Marxism argues that what appear as traditional cultural phenomena intrinsic to Western society, for instance the drive for individual acquisition associated with capitalism, nationalism, the nuclear family, gender roles, race and other forms of cultural identity;[1] are historically recent developments that help to justify and maintain hierarchy. Cultural Marxists use Marxist methods (historical research, the identification of economic interest, the study of the mutually conditioning relations between parts of a social order) to try to understand the complexity of power in contemporary society and to make it possible to criticise what, cultural Marxists propose, appears natural but is in fact ideological."

The other cultural schools of thought simply took the eternalized victimhood mentality and applied it to their own oppression (muh white males).

>>131855747
Splitting hairs again. More semantics. The chemical defect found in the losing side of a debate.

>>131844216
>Okay /pol/, convince me, a fucking retard in total denial of reality, that something I refuse to believe is true.

Put a gun in your mouth and do the world a favor.

>>131855747
You would know, Chaim!

>>131855747
You would know, wouldn't you Scholmo?

test

>>131855747
Why would they call it racism towards Russian Jews?

Oh wait, could it have anything to do with the fact that Russian Jews are ethnically separate from other Jews of the world? Hmmmm... seems like Jewishness can also be measured as an ethnic identity objectively...

>>131855798
/thread

>>131855798
You have to prove to me that Cultural Marxism, as the right claims, exists, and that the Frankfurt School are behind it.

>>131855610
>>131855747

>
The Interior Ministry does in fact have guidelines, similar to others accepted in various Western countries, for determining the paternity of children born out of wedlock and not registered at birth as the children of the man claiming to be their father. But the reason for this is concern over potential kidnapping or illegal child trade.

In other words, the important researchers -- both American and Israeli -- simply did not bother to read the full article in the Israeli newspaper, and read only the misleading headlines.

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>>131855350
>"Race" does not exist genetically.
Lying faggot!

>>131855719
That is not true, it is actually a teleological fallacy to assume race has to be determined by one single gene. It is actually many genes interacting with one another.

>>131853860
Tis this

>>131855845
Look at western society 60 years ago and look at western society now

the frankfurt school's involvement is irrelevant, though im sure another poster here will autistically waste their time with you showing you proof of their involvement