/pol/ communism general

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Say it with me.
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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage four
Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD

lol gr8 b8 op . no ones this much of a fgt

>>131791284
lol list one successful marxist economy that has people dancing for joy on a boat in a lake.

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How's Venezuela doing???

>>131791635

Well, I'm sure Not-True-Communist leaders Fidel, Maduro, Stalin and Kim have danced for joy at least once on their private boats.

Sage. This is politically incorrect, not politically correct. Communists can get out.

>>131791635

Soviet Union

>>131791932
>Maduro
>not a left-wing national capitalist

>>131793725
That's not what happened but okay.

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>>131794548
Oh really?

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>>131789693
>materialism
>all slaves equal under the state

>>131789693
fuck offJordi
sage

>>131795382
Yep. Most communist regimes in the 20th century were some form of Marxist-Leninist, though some of them hated each other and didn't consider the others communist (see: Albania).

>>131789693
Demsocialist here, one question: What does this general think of antifa/SJW's?

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Go away crazy weeaboo spanish tranny freak

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Who /Takane/ here?

>>131796393

Looks yummy

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>>131789693
How is one's "class" determined/is it mutable under Marxism?

>>131789693
Plz remove yourself. You are the cancer of humanity.

>>131796697

The bourgeoisie are the class which owns the means of production but does not use them.

You can think of the means of production as anything 'used' to generate profit e.g. a factory, a shop, a car, machinery, etc
if you own means of production but are self-employed, and do not employ anyone else, then you are not bourgeois
if you do not literally own means of production but in effect control it, you are bourgeois (e.g. CEOs who do not literally own their companies, but as they run the company they 'own' it in the sense that they decide what is done with it, they decide their own wages, etc)
a good litmus test:
''1. do you work for a wage?
2. do you get to decide your wage?
3. do you get to decide anyone else's wage?''
if yes to 1 but not to 2 or 3, you are not bourgeois
if yes to 1 and 2 but not to 3, you are petit-bourgeois
if yes to all three, you are in effect bourgeois
if you do not work for a wage at all, but rather own the means of production directly, then you are absolutely bourgeois

If you own a small shop that you run for a living making 50k USD a year you are petite bourgois. If you are a heart surgeon making 150k USD a year but you work for a hospital and you aren't in charge of hiring of firing anyone you are fully proletarian. Labour aristocracy maybe but still proletarian.
It is not a question of income, but a question of ones relationship to the means of production.

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>>131796996

More people have died of hunger under capitalism.

>>131796484
Don't buy the waterproof RAT boots. Your feet will be swimming in sweat after and hour

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>>131791690
Reminder that the CIA set up the last failed coup in Venezuela, I have no doubt they have been meddling this time too

How do I redpill my wife's boyfriend on communism?

>>131795910
>What does this general think of antifa/SJW's?

Personally I hate them, its all people on here imagine now when they think of Socialism. Its like thinking all those people with kekestani flags represent the right. Its all very cringey right now desu

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>>131797093
So do you ascribe to Marx's original thinking that the proletariat will eventually throw off the "chains of capitalist oppression" themselves or would you consider yourself in the Leninist model of fomenting the revolution and molding it to your own standards of Marxism?

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>>131797351
Damn why are you commiecucks such niggers?

>>131797872
>CIA

Its true though

>The British daily The Guardian was told in April 2002 by Wayne Madsen, a former intelligence officer with the US navy, that his country's navy had lent assistance to coup organizers by providing them with intelligence from its vessels in the Caribbean.[158] Its sister paper, The Observer, established that the coup was "tied to senior officials in the US government" after receiving information from OAS officials that the US was not only aware of the coup, but also gave sanction to its organizers. The paper names Elliot Abrams, who had been convicted of deceiving Congress during the Iran Contra Affair, as being the one who greenlit the coup.[159]

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>>131797351
I don't see how Venezuela is a US conspiracy.
>Means of production seized
>Means of production not kept up
>Economy entirely based on oil exports
>Price of oil falls inevitably
>Oil infrastructure crumples because it has been nationalized and therefore no party has a vested interested in maintaining it.
>Food shortages
>Price controls
>Black market created
>Riots
>Government overthrown

>>131796780
Capitalism is the cancer, it turns everything into commodities

>>131797719

I defend a model of automatic state with computerized planned economy based on ML, with a vanguard party that has anti-corruption artificial intelligence that purges itself and a true democratic party that takes the most class conscious into such party as Lenin defined it.

>>131797189
>niggers starving is somehow capitalism's fault

At worst, capitalism has not improved their situation. But in reality, it improved their standard of living vastly, even if it's still utter shit by Western standards.

Sage goes in all fields.

>>131799800
Strangely, an anti-corruption AI is something I could support. But like communism itself, it can't be made.

>>131800316
Not with that attitude!

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>>131799800
I see.

>>131799800
Comrade you have fallen for the central planning meme.
It is better to have autonomous industries organizing themselves.

There is no need for a central bureau of dairy production,
But there is a need for a dairy producer's organization that deals with dairy prioduction issues

However there is a need for centralization of big industries like machinery, weapons, steel,natural resources.

Centralise big industry
local federations of small producers for small industry

>>131800491
Well, you know, one has to take the risks vs the potential rewards into consideration.

In the case of communism, even the possible rewards are so absurd that I can't call them good. And we have all seen the risks, because they have manifested themselves each and every time communism was tried.

In the case of an anti-corruption AI, it is logical to assume that it would have to be omniscient (ie: it would have to have access to all information about everything and everyone, this alone is pretty much impossible), and it would need some sort of mechanism to enforce its decrees.

If the AI goes haywire, or more likely, if someone manages to subtly seize control over it, there would be so much SHTF you can't possibly imagine.

>>131800316
to eliminate corruption all you need is to eliminate private property

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>>131801102
Literally the opposite of how it works.

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>>131801102
>being this unbelievably fucking stupid

>>131801471
How can you bribe someone if you or the bribe receiver don't have exclusive use rights?

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>>131789693

>>131801664
Because you literally cannot eliminate private property. All you can do is take it from the demos and give it to the rulers to control. Private property is as intrinsic to the human condition as breathing.

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>>131801471
>>131801621
DOn't bully

>>131801664
That's part of bribing retard. One person in the bribe has to have control over something they don't own that the other person wants. If both people owned everything then it's a transaction.

>>131801102

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>131801664
you want to decentralize control of private property as much as possible by safeguarding each individual's private property rights.

>>131801102
You see, that is the core idea of communism, and it's also why it's retarded. Rewarding individual failure and punishing individual success by forcibly making everyone equal is an extinction event. I'd go as far to say that we are lucky that attempts at communism failed in the "starving to death or going state capitalism" phase. If by some means communism was implemented, with it's end goal, the abolition of private property, then the affected population would enter a phase of slow degradation in pretty much every way. Competition and the resulting inequality is what drives humans, and all beings, even fucking plant life, for that matter.

>>131801664
Private property is innate to human nature. People have their homes and want to provide for their families as a general rule. Therefore their want to own shit that is exclusively their own so that they can guarantee a level of subsistence for themselves and their family.

Communism or Socialism deny this basic fact which is part of the root cause of its failure every time it has been tried in whatever variation.

>>131802071
Plus true communism would be boring as shit. Just imagine a totally equal world with no competition or differences. Who in their right mind would want that?

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>>131789693
>muh gommunism
Prepare to be gassed.

>>131789693
>classless society
What are the bourgeoisie and proletariat then?
>"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need."
This in itself creates classes: The able and have, the able and needy, the unable and have, and the unable and needy.
>To achieve such a society [...] we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class
Why then are the ruling echelons of communism always wealthy?
>a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class
Why has this never even come close to happening?
>there will be only one class, the working class
Already pointed this one out, but a different argument: what authority exists to make sure the working class remains only the working class? What happens when there's resentment between the forge worker and the tailor for vastly differing degrees of job difficulty?

>>131790469
How does animeme fit into a structure where everyone is working class and has no time to relax because society must be maintained? Who would create anime without resentment from the other workers?

>inb4 not real communism

>>131801910
I'm sorry, but history teaches us that the corruption runs rampant in government run or collectively owned enterprises. Privatization works because it provides accountability to shareholders and an adherence to the bottom-line profits.

>>131802516
That is one shitty looking spurdo

>>131801748
Pff and I thought that communism would halt innovation with its forced egalitarianism. I see I was wrong. #ImACommieNow

>>131802574
Excellent. You're not supposed to like it.

>>131801862

In marxism, private property and personal property are different things, private property would be the ownership of means of production and personal property is everything intended for personal use, which is indeed a human instinctive driven necessity such housing, clothes, cars...

>>131802566
>Privatization works because it provides accountability to shareholders and an adherence to the bottom-line profits.

Privatisation just shifts problems to other places. They don't give a shit if they pollute another country or exploit workers as long as profit is good ,or sometimes just plain kill people. Look up what nestle was doing with its baby formula in 3rd world countries

>>131802382

A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

>>131802956
So the USSR didn't do all this on a massive scale then. In capitalism, we can choose to not do business with companies that act badly and even start our own companies to compete, but with a communist government you don't have a chance.

>>131790791
never not funny gomrade

>>131794418
>national capitalist
>not a buzzword applied to an attempt at communism

>>131803187
>In capitalism, we can choose to not do business with companies that act badly and even start our own companies to compete
if you have enough money

>>131803173
>Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.
Then you and Marx are on different planets. State "collective" ownership is the antitheses of everything individualism is based on.

>>131803448

Communism is stateless.

>>131803434
>In capitalism you can have enough money to choose.
>In Communism you have no choice no matter what.

>>131802956
>Look up what nestle was doing with its baby formula in 3rd world countries
look up what communists are doing with abortion, everywhere
>t-thats not hurting babbies!

>>131803516
So you think Communism is individual anarchism where no one is in control of the economy and anyone can sale the fruits of their labor if they wish to?

>>131803545
>In Communism you have no choice no matter what
What if you make convincing arguments and people do collectively decide to go along with your decision

>>131802884
>means of production
what is the means of production for more human veings

>>131802956
But those foreign workers are getting a job even if it is at what we would call "very low wages." The alternative is that we prevent them from getting those jobs and they have no means of providing for themselves or their families (excluding your communist revolutions)? At least they have some income and are able to develop some skills so that they can get a better job in the future?

Also, being in a capitalist system allows for social protest/awareness of misdeeds by companies like you're speaking too. Don't like Nike's "slave labour," by Adidas, protest Nike, let your friends and family know about the problem. The market allows for consumers to choose corporate practices indirectly through choice. Such a choice is impossible in a government-run industrial setting where you have no ability to look for other work or protest the conditions or choose another company to buy from.

>>131803708
>What if you make convincing arguments and people do collectively decide to go along with your decision

That works in capitalism too.

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Someone defend this, I want to hear arguments in support of this

>>131803708
because some decisions have nothing to do with how big a collective doesnt want you to make that decision?

>>131803173
karl Marx obviously have never seen a welfare leeching nigger or gipsy in his life, because those groups already model the results of such "freedom" perfectly.

There are very few people who's character and intellect are strong enough to motivate them to be productive even if their survival doesn't depend on it. The overwhelming majority of the people would just laze around. Without having to work, there would be no motivation to get educated either. The result is once again a spiral of degrdation.

Wage slavery isn't ideal either, obviously, but what the workers need is not freedom from the necessity of work, but adequate rewards, both in the form of decent salaries and the recognition of their importance.

If only you commiefags concentrated your efforts on ending (((usury))) instead of toppling capitalism and private property, you'd be far less repulsive.

>>131803879
you love empowering women?
you just doubled the commodity of labor, good job!
but you didnt double the DEMAND, bad job!

>>131803879
We've had a loosely socialized economy ever since the government protected central bank took over and started centrally planning the value of the currency.

>>131803847
so it permissible to collectively abolish capitalism?
>>131803920
why?
>>131803633
are you arguing for abortion or poisoning babies?

>>131804065
So what should be done then? Women shouldn't be allowed to work?

>>131803879
Almost all of the (((top 1%))) are banksters, not factory owners, managers etc that you'd like to send to gulags so much.

>>131804097
No because capitalism gives more options rather then just mob rule (democracy). Capitalism decentralizes power so that we can support the groups we like rather then being forced to follow any collective decision making process.

>>131803879
Government intervention to prop up the banks and artificially inflate the markets during the 2008 crisis allowed investors to exponentially increase their wealth. Meanwhile, businesses labeled "too big to fail" took their government bailouts and streamlined their companies by cutting workers and freezing hiring while they tried to recoup some of their massive losses.

Essentially, the government redistributed taxpayer money to corporations to prop them up instead of letting them fail and having the market bottom out. The Great Recession played out much like the Great Depression in that the government intervention failed to recoup the job losses and only increased the duration of the crisis by artificially propping up markets and businesses that should've gone under.

>>131804316
I think its funny that the left and the right seem to agree on this problem, its just for the right its all about (((JEWS)))

>>131804270
>>131804097
>are you arguing for abortion or poisoning babies?
im arguing that nestle didnt hurt any babies

>>131804316
Rich doctors are workers being oppressed along with the rest of the "working class" by their definition too.

>>131804038

those groups of cheaters and lumpenproles should become extinct during the socialist phase.

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>>131789693

This thread needs a good barrel bomb.

>>131804392
>Capitalism decentralizes power
Wrong.
Markets lead to monopolies which lead to concentration of wealth which lead to centralization of power

>>131804592
They told mothers not to breastfeed, gave them free formula for a little while and then charged for it. The instructions for making the formula weren't even written in the native language even if so they were aware that there were problems getting clean water to mix it with anyway. It was 100% about profit over safety

>>131804590

they have this superstitious belief that the so called white race can't be as much of a jew as the jew themselves

>>131804791
Governments create monopolies by selecting winners and losers.

>>131804629
So, let me get this strait: you want to create a workers paradise where workers don't have to work very much, except they do have to work a lot or they'll be labeled as leaches and sent to concentration camps. No thanks! I'll take capitalism.

>>131804592
how do your post make that argument?

>>131804592
>>131804857
>Nestlé claimed in an anti-boycott advertisement that it markets infant formula “ethically and responsibly”. The ASA found that Nestlé could not support this nor other claims in the face of evidence provided by the campaigning group Baby Milk Action

fellas there's a black guy ramming my wife right now atm
but at least he's based and doesn't support BLM

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>>131804684

Fuck off imperialists.

>>131804921
Can you explain how the government created the Standard Oil monopoly or Amazon or Google monopolies?

>>131804791
So to solve your perceived problem, you want to turn all of society into a single monopoly. Great idea!

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>>131805048
Better dead than Red

>>131805163
Are you capable of explaining how government action led to the previously mentioned monopolies?

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>>131805048

Assad is anything but an imperialist. He is the only anti-imperialist force in Syria. Thats why he is supported by both nazis and communits. At least by communists that know their stuff and arent bullshitted into beliecing the K*rdish dream stories.

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>>131789693
What do communist think of Anime?
pic related

>>131805144
Google and Amazon are run by leftists, and they routinely fund the DNC because higher taxes keeps smaller companies from being able to compete.

>>131805533
Communism will make anime real

>>131805643
More like communism would have prevented anime from existing, because Mao would have turned Japan into a hell of concrete and smog. Anime is bourgeois.

>>131805591
What did the government do that selected Amazon, Google, Standard Oil when they were small companies and make them into monopolist?
>run by leftists, and they routinely fund the DNC because higher taxes keeps smaller companies from being able to compete.
does this apply to Standard Oil?

How will ancapitalism prevent corruption? Bribery is a private exchange of goods, how will ancapitalism stop this?
Why can't a wealthy ancapitalist pay a militia to enforce his policies on a poor population that can't afford to buy "protection" from a militia?

>>131805643
please never say this irl

>>131804038
We're seeing this happen in Venezuela right now. Socialism is an ideology for faggots and lazy niggers. That's why it's only common in the West among upper-middle class liberal arts majors who have no concept of the real world.

>>131805322
Standard Oil wasn't a monopoly if the government had nothing to do with it because a monopoly is nearly physically impossible in a free market because there is always outside competition that would come in if prices were artificially raised. Investors are always looking for profit and if there is a market with one company making lots of profit and no barriers to entry, then there is always a threat of competition by these outside investors. The only way Standard Oil took such a massive market share is by providing the lowest cost and most desirable products to the customers, or by lobbying the government for some sort of protection against the threat of competition.

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>>131805784
I imagine communism could give a couple practical problems that could prevent anime from being created

>>131805533

every comrade will have virtual reality anime gf

>>131806071
>This
All leftist policies hurt the poor and small businesses.

>>131806196
>Standard Oil wasn't a monopoly if the government had nothing to do with it
back this statement up with evidence
>The only way Standard Oil took such a massive market share is by providing the lowest cost and most desirable products to the customers
so there is a market mechanism for monopolies?

>>131806199
Anime is hyper-bourgeois. The majority of anime got started to sell toys, like Bandai's Gundams, etc. Also, anime appeals to a very niche market of neckbeards and fujos.

Communism is all about appealing to the base normie retards. They would see anime as a waste of resources, and the only animations you'd get would be mostly party propaganda.

>>131806455
How will ancapitalism prevent corruption? Bribery is a private exchange of goods, how will ancapitalism stop this?
Why can't a wealthy ancapitalist pay a militia to enforce his policies on a poor population that can't afford to buy "protection" from a militia?

>>131804629
We in Hungary had the misfortune to endure 50 years of socialism. It left a mark on the collective behaviour of our people that still has not faded completely.

First of all, generosity died out pretty much. I believe this is simply due to the bad standards of living rather than due to the unique characteristics of socialism.

Secondly, black market culture. The socialist government clamped down hard on any form of private enterprise, or seeking of personal enrichment. People got into the habit of doing such things illegally.

You know, ours was once a very proud nation, before the war. There was a culture of chivalry, respect, and common fucking decency.

Communism turned the people against each other, it broke national cohesion (even though that was never our strong side to begin with). It turned workers against their employers, then workers against peasants, and finally when everyone was equally stripped of their wealth, it turned snitches against those they snitched on. People could not afford to trust one another, and people could only reap the rewards of their work if they did so illegally.

These are all the marks of the lumpenproletariat. Opportunism, strife, dishonesty. The socialist government did not eradicate the lumpenproletariat, it turned the entire nation into lumpenproletariat.

>>131790791
:DDDD gomrade
We'll get dose gabitalists

>>131804629
How will communism survive if it has to wipe-out like 80% of its supporters? LOL

>>131807127
LOL

>>131806657
it is due to the failure of the communist to eradicate cuckstianity

>>131807457
I fail to see the connection. Please make it clear for me.

>>131807457
Didn't Albania completely eradicate the clergy and ban church membership? Seems like they still thought communism was shit anyway.

This thread sucks

>>131806657

Capitalism is bread today and hunger and utter suffering in the future. Socialism is investment in the future to create an harmonious society, attempts have gone wrong in some parts of the world, better in russia than in hungary for example but the dream of communism is in my view what can save our species in the long term. I don't think we can survive capitalism, we can't survive hundreds of nations competing and in war with each other, with nuclear weapons in the mix, devouring the planet resources inefficiently, poisoning the seas in the name of profit, and capitalists becoming richer and richer to the point one day we will be even more of slaves than any point in history, that's the future you defend? I'm sorry if hungary had such miserable past, not directly and effect of socialism as a system but on bad politician decisions, that's why I defend an anti-corruption system that actually makes things work this time for everyone, that crushes all those cheaters, opportunist cunts once forever.

>>131807623
Religion is stupid
religious people = stupid people
stupid people = shit society

>>131807792

Care to explain?

>>131797189
>famines and natural disasters are caused by capitalism.
Are you retarded?

So you guys continuously fail for almost a century, including right this moment with Venezuela, and Chicago; and you still want to try again?
I don't think you're fully retarded, so why don't you just admit what you really are, an anarchist, Luciferian, nihilist, death cult.

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>>131789693

>>131808123

>famines and natural disasters are caused by communism.
Are you retarded?

reminder that commies need to leave because communism is fucking retarded and will never work

>>131797351

Why is communism so weak?

>>131807792
Aussies used to be funny on here, what happened

>>131789693
how fucking sad is this spanish guy
he cant get any commies in his threds ffs its sad to watch i might start acting as commie just to make myself fell like i did good deed

>>131805643
actual autism

>>131808370
"muh CIA" is the answer to every communist fuck-up, proof or not.

>>131808537

you seem upset though

So when do we kill all the communists? They clearly can't be reasoned with what with failing for nearly a century and all that; and not batting an eye. So when to we waste these motherfuckers?

>>131808537
They are left wing people here, read the thread retard

Hello comrades, whats the official instructions from father Russia to subvert the boards?

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>>131789693
Why is this thread not dead? It should be dead.

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>>131808692

you can't kill communism as an idea, is too late to erase it , what will you do, shut down the internet?

>>131789693
>communism

Oh hi

>>131807938
If you want to prevent environmental destruction, then you need to stop supporting globalist and anti-nationalism.

Japan would be a shithole if it let every foreigner in at will like most leftists want. The answer to protecting our nations and resources seems to be mostly exclusion, and perhaps later the eradication of niggers in the 3rd-wrld so they don't consume too many resources.

>>131808849
Russia supports Trump now, CNN and the Jewish comedy shows told me so.

>>131790791
Tpbp

>>131789693
Die in a mattress fire faggot.

>>131807938
Socialism can't be an investment in the future, simply because it can never sustain itself for long enough. Capitalism needs to be reformed. The cancerous growth of (((usury))), (((financial manipulations))) and (((globalism))) need to be cut off from it. Unlike the ancaps here I do think that free market can only lead to fuckups. So yes, it needs to be regulated but not the way you think. It's all about not allowing companies to become too big to fail, or to rival the state in their influence.

>>131809224
globalism is capitalism, import cheap labor, destroy the ability of the local working class to develop class consciousness, imperialist wars of aggression, have countries with good labor protection compete against countries with no labor production, a culture of criticizing everything under the sun but the wealthy

>>131809707
Its true, USA is Russian puppet state now. Father Russia always wins in the end.

>>131810167
capitalism is incapable of reform because there is always a mechanism for bribery

>>131795382
Can't wait for this to be updated with the Venezuelan one!

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>>131809224

Capitalists don't care about nation, only increasing their capital no matter what, you can see it everyday. Patriotism in socialism makes more sense since it doesn't breed hatred, doesn't breed imperialism and the desire of selling weapons in new wars.

>>131808974
I can kill people like you though, you're directly trying to ruin my way of life.

>>131810469
capitalism is constantly being corrupted by the jews but it's the only efficient solution to scarcity. The state should be able to re-allocate resources but not unilaterally, there must be a hierarchy of wise men, not a gaggle of clueless politicians.

>>131810191
>globalism is capitalism

This is why I'm a nationalist who supports capitalism in one country. Ironically, many leftist today oppose trade protectionism (which helps native labor unions) because they see it as racist for not being fair to foreign nigger workers. Face it, leftism is cucked.

>>131811027
Thank you, this dude gets it.

>>131810978
>leftism is cucked.
mainstream media """""""leftism"""""""""" is cucked as fuck, but don't let the media define your ideology

>>131811027
lmao, Nazis and their Eastern European partisans lost WWII

>>131810339
I'm not saying that capitalism should reform itself. I said that it should be reformed. Big difference. And while corruption can never be eradicated, it can surely be mitigated, severely.

>>131810469
Nationalism is the nemesis of both (((globalised))) capitalism and communism, but for different reasons. Or should I say that it is the cure for both cancers?

>>131811276
Being cucked IS mainstream among commies. There's always red/commie flags and such at pro-immigration rallies. The only respectable commies are NazBols.

>>131811432
Thanks to the eternal Anglo.

>>131810469
I'd like to add to this quote on your pic. About the nationalism part.

Point #1 is called imperialism. Imperialism is cancer, we can agree on that.

Point #2 is necessary evil simply because it's a defense against the imperialism of other nations. The lack of national chauvinism equals tolerance and misgided trust in other peoples. While it might not sound bad, it allows foreign groups to sieze power and act as a 5th column simply practicing nepotism, and national chauvinism on their own. Sounds (((familiar)))? This is the very reason why (((they))) work so hard to undermine nationalism in the West.

Nationalism is the source of many of the worlds problems, but giving up on it dooms a people by leaving them exposed and vulnerable to subvertion by others.

And let's not forget that national chavinism itself, as in, collectively despising other peoples, and believing in one's own superiority to them, is a very strong cohesive force by itself. It allowed the Jews to preserve their identity even though they lived in small, isolated enclaves for almost 2000 years.

>>131811508
how can corruption be mitigated?

>>131813154

why would a socialist country allow national chauvinist groups from abroad to take over? when did this ever happen?

>>131813763
By ending usury and reforming the banking system. It should be a state monopoly desu.

By not allowing corporations to become large enough to rival the government in their influence.

By cracking down on mobs.

By expelling (((foreign peoples who traditionally practice nepotism, corruption and have a nasty habit of being parasites))). Now this might sound a bit too edgy, but right now, fighting corruption and fighting organized Jewry are almost the same thing. Their current influence is just a sysmptom of the sicknes, but it has to be dealt with neverheless.

By instituting laws that ensure the complete financial trasparency of anyone who holds a position of power.

By reforming democracy starting with excluding sheep-tier morons from the voting process.

And the list goes on, desu I'm not in the mood to write a fucking book on it here and now. I have no illusions, I know that none of these can be accomplished by peaceful means. That is why I said that capitalism has to be reformed instead of saying that it has to reform itself.

>>131814849
Pretty much every communist / socialist government in Europe was run by Jews at one point or another.

>>131815358
the wealthy would use their wealth to undo these laws

>>131817347
They are trying to do that with the USA's constitution, especially the 1st and 2nd amendments, not much luck so far. it's a matter of implementation, and a matter of the population's willingness to resist such undermining of their rights.

>>131817772
give it some time

>>131819155
>give it some time

some million years?

>>131817772

How do you think they will solve the problem of increasing automation of most common jobs ?

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Communist is just a branch of Marxism from the Zionists just to take way goyim's properties.

>>131821294
>Capitalism is just from the Zionists just to take way goyim's properties.

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>>131821818

Explain how interest is theft.

My understanding of interest is that:

(1) It is a payment for delayed compensation

(2) It results from a difference in time preference for spending. (Loanee wants to spend now, loaner wants to spend later)

These kike faggots are at it again go back to r/resist or lefty/pol/.

Remember to sage comrades!

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>MY WORLD WILL HAVE NO GOVERNMENT BUT NOBODY WILL NEED THE GOVERNMENT BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL BE NICE AND NOBODY WILL BREAK THE LAWS BECAUSE A SUPER COMPUTERMAN WILL MAKE SURE NOBODY'S CORRUPT AND PERFECTLY MANAGE THE ECONOMY AND WORLD AND AND WE'LL ALL BE LIVING IN SPACE AND NOBODY WILL HAVE TO WORK BECAUSE ROBOTS WILL WORK FOR US
Why does marxism sound like an autistic teenager's youtube video about the super cool setting he's made up for his roleplay forum?

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>>131815939
Wonder why these kikes don't reply???

>>131822852
Because you're projecting

>tfwywn go to Syria and join the Kurds to fight with your fellow man for the socialist cause like a modern day Orwell

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>>131823679
>I-I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?

>>131823867
You are the one talking like a child
>>131822852

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>>131824028

>>131789693
> it's full form is a stateless, classless society
>>131791284
>MUH ROBOTS
>>131799800
>automatic state with computerized planned economy based on ML, with a vanguard party that has anti-corruption artificial intelligence that purges itself and a true democratic party that takes the most class conscious into such party as Lenin defined it.
>>131804629
>those groups of cheaters and lumpenproles should become extinct during the socialist phase.
>>131807938
>an anti-corruption system that actually makes things work this time for everyone, that crushes all those cheaters, opportunist cunts once forever.
>>131817000
>M-MUH STAR TREK

I was just paraphrasing everything commies have said in this thread friend, the talking-like-a-child part was emphasizing how ill-defined and childish it all ultimately sounded. Y'know, like an autistic teenager's youtube video about the super cool setting he's made up for his roleplay forum?