Why does Trump now like our Apprenticeship system?

Because trades and apprenticeships are for the stupid people who can't cut it at college. This gives them something to do and learn so they can contribute to society. Actually a good suggestion by Trump and I support it.

>>131749623
You don't need math or language skills for blue collar jobs. Do you seriously think that the guys who went to a Hauptschule would do a PhD in Physics or make it to investment banks in Frankfurt if they went to uni? To each his own.

>>131749623
yours is just a cheap copy of the original, so no wonder it's bad

>>131749727
>Because trades and apprenticeships are for the stupid people who can't cut it at college. This gives them something to do and learn so they can contribute to society. Actually a good suggestion by Trump and I support it.

But the German system is really, really bad. It is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are right now.

>>131749623
>Finally Found a German Thing He Likes
But muh Hitler

>>131749623
Apprenticeship has nothing to do with your math and language skills.
When you have language skills then you are proabably some mud shit from Kebabistan.
Slavs meanwhile learn pretty fast german.

When you are shit at math, you probably were shit at school, are a woman.

>>131749773
He's a college-educated fuck head that thinks he is better than blue-collar workers just because they don't speak no good.

They're cheaper.
Yesterday I had a conversation with my best friend and he told me that at his old job there were people working 50hrs a week for 200euro a month - only because then they can go to ANOTHER job offer and claim "work experience" at a "reputable" firm, all the while they exploit idiots that are willing to do basically everything for basically nothing

>>131750131
The program is now a part of Perspectives for Young Refugees and offers training to about a dozen participants at a time in six-month cycles. They've trained between 60 and 70 young refugees so far.

While the chamber’s program gives participants skills and much-needed networking opportunities to land an apprenticeship, success rates are still anemic: Only four graduates of the program have received a job placement, even though the chamber works with some 900 companies in the region with the capacity to take on trainees.

Schäfer defended the program, but said six months just isn’t enough. Many refugees’ language skills are still too poor and their professional experience too little to qualify for German firms, he said.

"The training level of the refugees that are coming to us is shockingly low," Schäfer said. "Regardless of aptitude, the basic prerequisite to an apprenticeship is knowledge of the language."

>>131749727
Hard does one become a plumber or carpenter in a America? In Australia you do a 4 year apprenticeship working for a company while doing the occasional 2 or 3 week training block at a trade school. There's also a log book and some tests you have to complete in order to become qualified.

>>131750273
>He's a university-educated rich dude that thinks he is better than uneducated blue-collar workers
Yes, so?

>>131749937
Elaborate

>>131749623
Well, english is easier so that would make it better, don't you think?

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>>131749937
Trump will say literally anything he thinks people will like.
It used to be to impress his rich customers.
Now it's the poor suckers who elected him.

They already seem to view this as the sort of this that will play well in the rust belt. so It doesn't really matter if it works.
People rarely check if policies work. If their life improves satisfactorily they will attribute it to good government and vote for the incumbent. If they feel things have got worse or not improved enough they will vote them out.

>>131750520
Apply to join a plumber union.

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>>131749623
>with many apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills
Because Trump's (((masters))) want the American people to be like this. Much easier to rule them this way, you see.

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>>131749623
Non-MSM censorship version.

>>131749727

I'm a college graduate who later joined the trades (industrial electrician). I was miserable in corporate cubicle culture environments, so I took a paycut and switched gears and am much happier solving problems, building useful things, and getting endorphins from moving around instead of sitting in a chair all day. I know several university graduates in my trade.

I know many I went to university with could not hack it in my trade, and of course vice versa, sure. It's odd to see someone on /pol/ think that college students/graduates are actually intelligent given all the SJW examples to the contrary frequently posted on /pol./

Unless you are LARPposting as a classist Democrat who hates the working/middle class, in parallel to the phenomenon within the left described by Orwell in The Road To Wigan Pier.

>>131749623
He's prepping us to be independent and doers again. 1940s USA will make a comeback soon. It will have to in order to survive the coming conflicts.

>>131750520

There is a union path and a nonunion path.

But the nonunion shops actually don't want their apprentices to become journeymen because they'd have to pay them more. They also treat their apprentices like shit usually so they tend to leave the trade.

Then they complain that there is a shortage and they need to bring in foreign labor similar to the H1B visa program, its all of their own doing because they don't want to pay their workers well or treat them decently, H1B abuse is a wet-dream for them.

>>131749623
Copyrights our system. We have Different levels so you can give more money to the smart white kids and waste less on niggers. Very good edu for smart kids like me and most importantly we have the teachers Union under our thumb

Democrats have demonized trade work in our country for too long.

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>>131750987

clever, but that's the Rachel Madow version

>>131749623

is it that broken ?
Here in France , many politician praise it because it allegedly decrease the youth unemployement.

>>131749623

Teehee, siemens

>>131749623
>German cancer is spreading

>>131750987
If only...

>>131749623

Weird, in America if you don't have at least algebra, trigonometry, and reading comprehension skills you can't even get past the initial testing of the apprenticeship programs.

I like how Germans do apprenticeships for IT, more organized and better practices instilled so you have less issues with basic shit like doing fucking updates so you don't get malware.

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>>131750987
Dude, Trump's daughter married a Jew and converted to Judaism. His cabinet is filled with globalists, Jews and their servants. His Jewish-Zionist son in law is his major adviser and basically runs the country. The only thing he's actually managed to accomplish is to continue fighting Israel's wars and sell weapons to Israeli-supported terrorist organizations like ISIS and Al Quaeda. And now we know he was planning a no-fly zone and a big-ass US military operation against Syria since the very beginning (yeah, just like Shitlary - Tulsi Gabbard discusses how she met with him about that, I think, days after he was elected, way before the inauguration).

He'll sooner put you and other Americans in a concentration camp.

>>131751713

PAPER FOLDING!

Gee I wonder why our president likes the apprentices

Bullshit

Germany apprecitenship system hasn't changed since the middle ages
It's a horros for every young person entering it

Basically it's a Meister that you supposedly learn from but at whose mercy you are all the time
He can treat you like shit, he can make you do bullshit to pass time and at the end of it you can have learned nothing at all
I can't tell you how many horror stories I've heard from people doing it, a trainee is basically lower than a subhuman


Fuck this
Trump is being retarded here

>>131750478
So your problem isn't apprenticeships but 3rd world savages.

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>>131751730

>>131750478
how about you Blow It Out Your Ass

>>131749623
gee what a surprise the guy who had a show called The Apprentice would be fond of apprentice programs.....really makes you think.
Mongoloid. Sage.

>>131752170
Lehrjahre sind keine Herrenjahre Kleiner

Irgendwann bist du auch Meister und hast deinen eigenen kleinen Dobby zum Brötchen schmieren und Kaffee holen.

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>>131749727
shoutout to the good ol days

>>131752170

It may seem that way, but haven't you ever seen the Karate Kid? wax on, wax off

That initial hazing is to filter out the negative/violent/arrogant personalities, btw. It also breaks people down and builds them back up so they can go from planning mode to get-shit-done mode at the flip of a switch.

>>131749727
>stupid people who can't cut it in college
I know machinists who make over $100k a year. How's that barista job holding up?

>>131752442
Hes someone who didnt finish his apprenticeship or didnt have a decent company or boss.
My boss could be a giant asshole and he was very strict but he taught me valuable skills and i was and are thankful for that.
Of course he made me do stupid shit, thats what apprentices are there for. get me coffee, do this paper work etc

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>itt debt slaves mad they fell for the college meme

>hurrr it's broken
My company offers an apprenticeship and my graduating class struggled in math. This new round has a stronger emphasis and support on math. Problem solved. Jesus christ you socialist fucks have no ethic or problem solving skills. In America we get shit done.

>>131749623
>Our system is literally broken with many apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills.
Thats cause of Shitskins and our language demanding a higher iq than speaking english

>>131749937
> germany
> in a mess
thats not true, stop acting liek a nigger fagot

>>131749727
Yhea right.
When does someone who works for corporae america get sued because they fucked up.
There is only so much space for over educated useless people.
And unless youre in stem or accounting, most trades require a higher skillset than ccollege educated office drones.

>>131749937
>It is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are right now.
We could have fixed that mess. What we cant fix is 2 Million Muslims per year

>>131751713

We need something like that. There are no standards to hold anyone to in IT. I hear stories all the time of people making it up as they go along

>>131749773
If you want to get in a higher position in a factory it's always good to know some math retard.

You eurocucks are so helpless
>MUH GUBMINT FIX MUH PROBLEMS

>>131752170
>It's a horror for every young person entering it
Thats cause you cant watch your smartphone 24/7 like fucking subhumans these Kids are to get somewhere in life

>Will it get lost in translation?

Trump will make it better.

>>131749623
>with many apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills
that's not the apprenticeship system's fault.

>>131749623

There's this show called The Apprentice.

>>131750687
Those fake TIME covers were corporate SWAG given out in the late 90s to TIME advertisers. General Motors gave one to my father with my father on the cover. He owned a GM car dealership. It was fun, unsolicited swag. Try to get out.

>>131749623
>Our system is literally broken with many apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills.
That is not the fault of the apprenticeship system, but the fault of the school systems. You shouldn't have to teach them much math or basic how to write a letter shit after they went to school for 9-10 years nor basic english.
Almost 90% of apprenticeship jobs can be done on a high level with math knowing the rule of three, basic geometry and ok tier language skills.

>>131749937

Interested to know why anon.

>>131749623
>Finally
Why did they phrase it like that? When has he ever implied he hates everything German? Pretty sure the only German thing he disliked besides migration was their car companys' trade deals, which were very bad deals. They were killing us!

>>131749727
>Because trades and apprenticeships are for the stupid people who can't cut it at college.
>DUDE EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO COLLEGE NO MATTER HOW STUPID THEY ARE
>DUDE SOME PEOPLE ARE TOO STUPID FOR COLLEGE
wow make up your mind democrites

>>131749937
>But the German system is really, really bad.

Actually its not. Berufsschule gives theoritical lessons and your company trains you in practical skills. You can blame the system for Ahmed and Murat not knowing how to read/write and do math.

The only thing i don't agree with that getting your "Meister" is pretty expensive. This limits Meisters to inheritors of companys or richfags. Some trades e.g. Barber(Friseuse) arent that lucrative to afford the Meister-education.

>>131754690
he doesnt know what hes talking about. One of the biggest reasons why german trained workers are so in demand all over the world are systems like this.
Dont listen to the failure dude. Hes posting from his state funded iphone in front of the job centre most likely.

>>131754690

Dont listen to him. He is retarded.

>>131751730

The whole daughter marring a Jew thing is nothing to freak out over. Its like a king that marries one of his daughters to an enemy to force a peace or seal a deal.

>>131752980
Your language will be dead in a few years, subhuman kraut. Better start learning arabic

This sounds like a magnet for niggers who need space to destroy

>>131752615
pretty much this. I'm a machinist with only a HS diploma clearing 50k after taxes. I know machinists with way more experience clearing 100k. if you have a mechanical engineering degree you can get a machining job right out the gate clearing 80-100K.

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>>131755092
>Its like a king that marries one of his daughters to an enemy to force a peace or seal a deal.
25D-chess my ass, moron. WE are (((Trump's))) enemies - not his cabinet, not his daughter, not his degenerate son in law, not his daughter's "beautiful Jewish baby". We.

America used to have Apprenticeships, but they were shut down by your Union Mafia because it allowed tradesmen to increase the amount of people skilled in particular trades, which reduced the wages of unionized tradesmen.

Union mafias in Australia are currently doing the same thing in Australia. Our best medical school is refusing to train doctors because it would reduce their fucking wages for gods sake. Unions were a mistake.

>>131749623
There have been apprenticeships ever since the first tool was invented.

>>131749623
>Our system is literally broken with many apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills
Sounds perfect for the average American then

>>131749623
we fix broken shit and kick the shit out of the peoples who break stuff member those 2 times. plus we are not a nation of 80 IQ refugees who understand 2 things fucking and eating. just cause ya'lls shit is fucked up don't mean ours will be, so fuck off.

>>131756716

You and OP have no clue how the system works. The German system FORCES you to proof your skills in a nation wide standardized schooling system to even begin working in a certain job. This assures that 8/10 of the craftsmen arent spastics who don't have a clue about what they are doing.

>>131757199
So how are the standards of this test?
Extra easy for arabs, africans and other nu-germans?

>>131749623
>apprentices lacking in basic math and language skills
Just like niggers.

>>131757996
>Extra easy for arabs, africans and other nu-germans?

So easy none of them even get there to begin with since none of them try to get a job, and those that do don't last the first year of apprenticeship.

>>131758451
It's kind of funny though. We have the same sort of thing. It's called MBO, a sort of American community "college" and they're all fucking morons with some rare exceptions.

I saw some "technicians" install airco units on a roof I happened to look down upon. They bolted the things straight into the roofing all next to each other. Not only does that reduce their cooling efficiency, it's not good for the roof either.
I sat back and enjoyed the show and sure enough, after the first rain a nice big puddle of water was forming on the roof.
Over time this became worse and worse, the bolts were pretty much submerged all the time and it started leaking.
Eventually some other MBO edjucatud cancer mongoloids had to come and fix the roofing.

>>131753234

Truth be told you do have to wing it, the situations and solutions are so varied. Many times you have to figure out what skill/knowledge you need to solve the situation as needed and pick it up, which itself is a skill -- the most important.

But there is a lot of room for improvement. Also it could create more solidarity in the industry to fend off predations like H1B and scummy companies.

>>131759020

An engineer made the decision to put them in that spot. You have no idea how the world works because you sit in a cubicle all day staring out your window pretending to do something.

>>131759628
No engineer would be that retarded.

>>131759628
I am an engineer you fucking idiot :^)

>>131749623
>Why???
http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

that's why. As bad as you may think Germany's system is, it's much better than the US' "go to college even if you're a 95 IQ mongol who will probably get a trade or vocational job".

>>131760107

Engineers fuck up all the time. All the time. That's why they have insurance.

If that was structurally the best spot on the roof to put them, that was the best spot. Better a puddle than part of the roof falling in. The puddling effect is because commercial roofs are layers of "fabric" and "tar", of course any weight makes an indentation, especially under a hot sun.

What most likely happened is another contractor was supposed to go in after the units were installed and do apply another layer of roofing to both cover the screws and elevate that spot. But some office drone or project manager must've dropped the ball, probably because they sit in the cubicle all day staring out the window pretending to be doing something.

>>131760439

Structural?

Prussian education all over again

>>131752170
Holy shit, you're either retarded or were just bad at the job and now you feel the need to complain.

So many fucking idiots in Germany feel the need to study something completely useless because they have no idea where they want to go with their life.
And after 3 years of random bullshit they find themselves getting no job because the marketplace is filled with students without any working experience.

meanwhile you learn alot about your job in the 3 years you're being an apprentice and also get a ton of working experience.

Nowadays you finish 3 years of being an apprentice and get a job immediately if not the same company wants to keep you in their office.

>>131760517
Most US community colleges are a scam. I do not know in which fields "students" accumulate the most debt. I can take a guess though.
They should not call them universities or give out degrees because it's an absolute misrepresentation of what they're accomplishing. They should be fair about job prospects. Useless studies should be weeded out. Unfortunately, this requires serious government intervention and reform of institutes who monitor the quality of education. Considering we're talking about the US, good luck with that.
Education should not be in the hands of companies. Right now that's exactly what schools are.

>>131754974
>>131754899
this

having a 3 year training in your profession with schooling intervined is a good thing.
I actually don't know what this "apprentices can't do math" comes from, the math is learned depending on your profession (for example electrical jobs learn physics and the math behind it)

>>131749623
> Trump is literally going to give everyone a possibility for FREE EDUCATION
ABSOLUTE MADMAN

>>131760851
I am an EE and I've worked for a company that is mainly mechanical engineering which is specialized in solar panels, heat pumps, heating, etc.
They delivered equipment to other companies that would install it. However, they would approve designs and plans first because they didn't want their company name plastered over the kind of retarded shit I described in that other post.
And trust me, I have seen some retarded shit.

>>131749623
The problem is the basic school education and not the job training model. Also people that won't think for themselves anymore.

>>131761678
b-b-but it's not for a degree in women's studies so Trump is literally hitler

>>131749773
>>131750273
I did a job training and went to college afterwards. The job training almost taught me more than my college courses because you actually work in the companies and learn how everything runs there.

I would even say that a bunch of blue collar workers are more skilled than most of the college fucks nowadays.

>>131761867

Okay you're not a structural engineer with the plans of the building or any idea of the project so shut the fuck up idiot.

>>131752170
Lehrjahre sind keine Herrenjahre.

>>131762720
And you are?

>>131762720
Also good luck becoming an EE without having to take physics.

>>131750520
>thinks of saying "how does one..."
>types "hard does one..." because of his cute Australian accent
gay

>>131762926
>>131762975

Someone who knows more about how changes to a building are approved than an EE staring out his window who is so insecure he rushes to a false judgement to feel superior.

>>131749623
The US used to have that, until the Jews decided they wanted people who are already "good to go" because they don't want to spend shekels training and wanted goys and third parties (i.e. education funded by tax dollars or self-funded) to handle that. Or have goys working for free via unpaid internships. Bringing over apprenticeship programs screws the Jews as they're not forced to train people to fill the jobs, as how it was back then.

>>131749727
>Because trades and apprenticeships are for the stupid people who can't cut it at college.
Look at this Jew. You know you just want goys to go through your brainwashing program. You know damn well colleges nowadays are not primed to get people ready for the workplace because you're more focused on "diversity courses" and other jewy shit.

>>131749623

It's called going to college. Machinist in training here, on my 3rd semester. I have completed Blueprint Reading 1 and 2 with GD&T and Inspection, Machine Practice 1, 2, Numerical control lathe and mill, algebra.

Basically you are not going to get people to take these job training classes if you pay them shit, and let me just tell you, even with training they will start you off at burger flipper wages and keep you there for years.

Not to mention you need people in these training who knows basic math. Too many idiots I saw at college who couldn't tell me what 2/3 is in decimal without a calculator.

>apprenticeships

wew lad. even worse. I'm going to a large city college and you know how many spots there are for apprentices? like 3 or 4 and there are like a thousand students.

shits a joke. if you wanna implement Germanys system, you're going to have to mimic a lot more than just training, you fucking stupid clown.

>>131749623
It could be great if it were done right. Germany doesn't do anything right, though.

>>131762720
I know how much heat exchangers weigh, obviously, fucking asshole. You don't have to be a structural engineer to know putting 5 units right next to each other is going to fuck up a roof. It's called common sense.
I have a tiny bit of hope you think I was talking about a big concrete building and not some shitty dentist practice roof. Because I am seriously doubting the extent your mental capacity right now.
Perhaps you should consider returning to reddit.

>>131763407
You're just jealous. You're just sitting staring out of a window during your burger flipping break valiantly defending structural engineers, who actually have nothing to do with this discussing, on the internet.

>>131749727
>stupid people who can't cut it at college
College is no longer a meritocracy. Not all majors are equal.

>>131749727
Why is someone stupid for not paying ungodly amount of money for a degree that could or could not land him a job? Sounds pretty smart to me to stay away from that mess.

>>131763407
I'll ask again, who are you?
You don't sound like an engineer.

>>131763921

You're staring out your window beating your little pecker while watching men work, then constructing some insecure explanation to yourself that makes you feel superior when in actuality some fucktard in a cubicle similar to yours forgot to call the roofing contractor for the follow-up work to be done.

>>131764216
Asshurt tradesman supremacist detected. Don't be mad because people who know how to drill holes and connect fittings don't have a deeper understanding of what they're doing.

>>131752615

Yeah, you know how many of those jobs exist? I have worked in several machine shops throughout the years, the actual majority of workers never make anywhere near that, unless its some union job, unless it's a large company, but again, how likely will you get that job without nepotism? how likely will you get that job without a college education? not likely.

>if you have a mechanical engineering degree you can get a machining job right out the gate clearing 80-100K.

I will have both my metal machining and numerical control degrees pretty soon here, and they will not start you out at 80-100k out the door, unless like I said you are very lucky.

Truth of the mattter is, majority of machine shops pay dick in comparison to other jobs out there. Not trying to bash the trade, but this is how things are, especially in California.

>>131749727
Yea I'm retarded for dodging a Jewish brainwashing debt tool and all I have to show for it is a top 5% earning category, house, cottage, car, truck, doggos, wife, fuck I fell for the bait

>>131764353

I heard the profit margins are really tight on machine shops due to competition. This true or bullshit?

>>131763926
They went bottomfeeding for tuitions. Hurrybody must be able to get a degree in America.
Oh you don't like Maths? Physics too hard? Research and science oppressive? We have a great pick of social studies! Have you considered Gender studies? Great, realistic job prospects. Enroll today!
https://feministstudies.ucsc.edu/about/resources/major.html

>>131764216
>then constructing some insecure explanation to yourself
Nah it's called a pay check

>>131749773
I use math every second of my work day. Angles and multiplication are huge and very important, if I get it wrong people can die. You take math from school and apply it to real world scenarios.

>>131764571

It's completely true, the last machine shop I worked for pretty much went down after being around since the 1960's because things are becoming cheaper to make and there are other machine shops who will sell their stuff for less, why? because they pay their employees less, and when making parts with tight tolerances are already hard enough to make, scraps, fuck ups make it so you get even less profit out of it. It's almost like a race to the bottom, the less they pay their workers the more money they can make and compete with other companies. If im selling a valve body for $100 with outside processing and everything included, and the other guys sells it for $90, they will go to them after the contract ends, then you are left making no parts because nobody can pay your asking price, so they cut workers pays, cut workers all together and before you know it there are no workers left, no company left. that's why I would never work at a small machine shop anymore.

basically machine shops for the most part are stretched thin unless you go work for a large company, but those guys fuck you for years with low wages before you make good money, if you even last that long. I took machining for me, I wanna learn to make stuff for my enjoyment.

I remember one time going in for this interview at a machine shop, and they were giving me a tour around and there were nothing but fobs working there who knew little to no English, once I saw that I didn't even answer their calls afterwords.

/rant

>>131764071

Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask.

>>131749623
>finally finds a German thing he likes
>ignoring his family were German immigrants

>>131765311
That's not a tenable situation for such an industry.
At some point the sector is going to be saturated with shitty material, shitty craftsmanship and shitty reputation altogether.
Free market is fine, but this is companies cannibalizing theirselves.

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>>131749623
>drumpf
>donald drumpf hates Germany

???

>>131762193
Why would anyone need a degree to study a woman? Just grab her by the pussy

>>131749623

the system in western countries is shit.

meanwhile, my friend's austrian cousin has the equivalent of an engineering degree at the age of 18.

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>>131749937
>But the German system is really, really bad. It is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are right now.

You're in a mess because you've opened your borders to millions of violent destitute illiterate third-world savages. Quibbling about apprenticeship system minutiae is completely inane given what you've done to yourselves with muslim invaders.

>>131765794

Cubicle drones don't take the long view of how much replacement will cost, that's why they buy cheap parts and don't pay for regular maintenance, and just end up paying more down the line, plus interruptions to day-to-day business and impacts on deadlines, and also risking injury/death in some cases.

A race to the bottom.

>>131750478
>They've trained between 60 and 70 young refugees so far.

GOLLY GEE ONLY ANOTHER 1,945,216 TO GO

>>131754875
'Meister" / Bachelor here, and you are full of shit. 95% of all meister's, are handed out on loan by the state. Only condition, is that you didn't use the program before, nor already have a bachelor.

>>131765794
>Free market is fine, but this is companies cannibalizing theirselves.

There is your answer, and that's exactly what they are doing. The first thing these assholes cannibalize with their own company are there workers. If things get harder, you start running 2 or 3 cnc's at once with multiple operations vs just 1, and they continue like this with no raises because they have to compete with the other machine shop. This is why I said I got my college education for myself, not these assholes, because they love workers with college education, you might get paid shit but they will at least keep you. I think im better than that, so now days if I can't find a job in machining, that's okay because in the end I got that for me, not some asshole who wants to rape and abuse you. Cheap labor for these guys is awesome, they hire 1 guy to setup the machines, and then they get Pablo or something to push cycle start and change parts every so often depending on the part.

It really has become fucked up. But again, making stuff for yourself is worth it, you can make anything you want with a mill or lathe.

>>131766118

>maintenance

This too, this a 1000x. These guys will buy a half million dollar cnc machine, huge, almost the size of a building, takes weeks to just install, I saw them install it. IT was a Makino NX6 I believe, and they never paid for maintenance, there is a huge book the thickness of a yellow page that says all the maintnence that are required and the amount of time that it needs to be dome, none of that shit was ever done, and when the machine goes down, that stops it from making parts so they call a technician to come down, which is a thousand dollars just to bring him out.

If they would have just paid for maintenance they wouldn't be down, your workers would have stuff to do, but these assholes are that tight asses that they will refuse even that.

sad.

>>131749937
Bitch please, our Meister system was so supiroir in Europe that the EU had to tore holes into it so the rest is a little bit more competative.

>>131766884
I always look for depreciation and maintenance expenditure when analyzing businesses and this is one of the reasons.

>>131749623
>America doesn't have apprenticeships

What?!

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>>131749937
>It is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are right now.
Really germany are you sure theres not some bigger more brown reason ?

>>131764797
>>131764311

I can't believe you idiots don't know that the customer decided where to put the units on the roof, with the help of a structural engineer, not the technicians, and it was the customer's responsibility to have a roofing contractor do the follow-up work of simply slapping on several layers to prevent puddling and leaking. You don't even understand the basics of how organizations run or how things happen. Its just comical.

>>131768884
And now it's the customers' responsibility.
You really are a stupid plebbit neckbeard just here to le epic trole huehue.

>>131749937
Bullshit.
It actually works for people that want to learn and actually learn by hands on practice ( which is a huge precentage of peopke who arent going into higher education).
The reason why you might say its shit is not the fault of this system, but our government loving to fuck over the working population.

>>131749727
Why oh why cant a trained journeyman not be as smart as a liberal arts graduate!

>>131749937
t. unemployed HARTZ IVler

Our dual apprenticeship program is way above anything other European countries offer.

It gives you not only practical experience but also an additional school education that,
in combination, makes you much more adept in performing your job, post graduation.

It also gives people a second chance of completing their Abitur/ Fachabitur degree
(it's like a really good High School degree, for you Americans).

And it applies to many jobs in different fields.
From blue collar to white collar.

>>131749623
Cannot see Murican retards and niggers wearing dungarees and concentrating for more than 10 minutes on a task , just saying....

FAKE NEWS

>>131749937
American youths don't know how to do anything. Like anything, they don't know how to even make themselves food

>>131763769
Toothpastelandia is pretty feisty.

>>131763935
Only socially inadequate losers who major in stupid subjects and come out of a shit tier university can't get jobs desu

>>131749727
>stupid people who can't cut it at college
>>131752615
SHAZAM BITCH

>tfw too intelligent to be useful

>>131749727
shit talks trades but probably works at a macdonalds okay there buddd

>>131774209
You sound like an average Canadian retard

>>131768884
Maybe companies shouldn't hire technicians that don't know enough about their craft to refuse installing equipment wrong.

>>131770167

I don't believe you're this stupid, you've realized your original statement was wrong and just playing a game now.

>>131777088

The technicians would be disciplined/fired for refusing to fulfill the contract per customer specifications. I'm guessing you are a NEET who has never had a job.

>>131778266
No, I've refused to do work where the customer has asked me to do something dangerous or retarded. What kind of shithole do you work at where you'll do retarded work just because somebody asks you to?

>>131749937
That's just untrue. The only thing the system lacks are people willing to do it. It's no mess just underadvertised because of messed up abitursystem

>>131749623
lacking in basic math and language skills = more likely to vote Republican.

>>131778824

Mowing lawns isn't a real job. We're talking review committees, financiers, building codes, specifications, contractual obligations, etc. If the CONTRACTOR refused to bid they'd lose out of the money. If the contractor won the bid but then decided to not implement the customer specifications they would be SUED for breach of contract. If the technicians refused to install according to customer specification they'd be fired. You just don't understand how the adult world works manchild.

>>131749623

>Danald finds a dead german

>>131749623
>All of these posters are implying that we have great language and math skills under common core.

As long as this is fine-tuned into a viable option then it will solve a lot of problems we are having.

Because it's a good idea?

>>131781646
I doubt a review committee, financiers, building codes, specifications, contractual obligations, etc. would approve of doing thousands of dollars of damage to somebody's property because you installed something wrong.

>>131749623
It seems like you haven't seen millennial art school graduates. Trade school and apprenticeship is proven to be far more useful than a useless degree in art.

>>131749623
Because our country needs auto mechanics and carpenters and electricans.

Those people don't exactly need to know algebra, Hans.

That's the one thing your country does right.

NOT EVERYONE is supposed to go to college.

We need garbage truck drivers.

>>131783722

So you think the technicians just kind of wandered around the roof and said "okay lets just put them all here". You're retarded and don't know what blueprints and schematics are.

>>131754726

It's the Jewish media so insulting Merkel = "he hates everything German!" because truth doesn't matter anymore I hate kikes so much

>>131784355

They actually do need to know algebra and trigonometry. Well garbage truck drivers don't, but the others do.

>>131768220
Do you? How do you solve the problem of, the kid takes the training and then goes elsewhere?

We do have internships here.