What caused Hitler to lose WW2?

>>131717849
Should have held off on invading Russia too, should have let them invade first so they could be trapped and killed by Germans who knew the locations better. If you've played any first person shooter with online, then you know that memorizing the maps gives you an advantage over n00bies and casual players, and Hitler shouldn't have banned the stg 44.

>>131717849

An unexpected loss at Stalingrad

>>131717849
Nigger they did go after moscow see opeartion tycoon. They went after stalingrad because it was the main supply city for soviet forces in the caucasus thats why they started case blue. If the germans took stalingrad they would be able to advance to the baku oil fields which is one of the reasons for the invasion of the soviet union in the first place.

>I think that he should have taken Moscow instead of going for Stalingrad.

same thing would have happen, except it's in moscow and more stupid, the reason he went for Stalingrad is that their's oil south of it. he was going to make it a staging ground for his oil supply lines.

>>131719010
>be Germans
> capture nearly 90 percent of stalingrad
> let your retarded italian, romanian and hungarian allies protect your flanks.
>Soviets fuck your flanks up.
>hitler doesnt want you to surrender.
>soviets destory an entire german army.
>normies think winter is the only reason why germany lost.
> they lost because germans couldnt do tatical retreats and had an insanely overstretched supply line.

The Nazis created the first ICBM in history, and they were very close to creating a nuke to go along with it.
Seems like if they had more foresight, they should have fortified the chokepoints in central europe and just held off the USSR's zerg rush with superior technology and tactics until they had the capabilities to nuke every Russian city. Invading Russia and spreading out deep into their territory was what ultimately killed Germany.

>>131717849

Socialism. It's unsustainable, you can't stole shit of others indefinitely.

And Ruskies. And winter.

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>>131717849
How Germany could have won the WW2
>Had operation Barbarossa started on time instead of 2 week delay because of Italian fail in balkans
>Had Hitler listen to his Generals
>Had Japan attacked SU from flank instead of being pussies and just pillaging poor villages and civilians
>Not oppress Ukrainians who already hated communists and
>start War production UP from start like in the end days

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>taking Moscow means victor-

>>131717849
Biggest mistake in WW2 by the axis???

The bombing of pearl harbour to get the US involved?
Or
Germany trying to fight on two fronts and invade Russia during the winter??

What cost them the war anons??

Because Hitler was a faggot making decisions.

>>131719598
Except it was different this time. Moscow was major population and economic centre. Had it been taken Germany would have won very soon, it wouldn't be Napoleon

>>131719679
Your retarded the germans had to invade the soviets

>>131719501
Nigger you couldnt have the british just take greece and expose the balkans to allied invasion. And how the fuck does japan attack the soviet union seriously they isnt much infrasture in eastern russia there is one rail road and the soviet could easily destroy it.

Germany got cocky after they defeated France in 40 days

They thought France was superior to Russia in tactics, technology, defenses, organization, supply, morale, etc. And Germany defeated France in weeks while USSR was struggling against fucking Finland

So they got overconfident and decided a sneak attack would seal the deal and the whole rotten structure would collapse. Unfortunately they fucked up and had to stay the winter and it all went downhill

>>131719706
Hitler was indeed the worst thing to ever happen to white nationalism, good luck raising your white family.

>>131719846
The only and i mean only reason why the soviets where able to defeat the germans is because of lend and lease that economy would be in shambles by 1944

>>131719766
Lol they couldn't have set up a defensive line??
They HAD to invade during one of the worse Russian winters?

>>131719723
Russia would have done the same thing burning the city and retreating

Russia was still mobilizing millions of winter troops from the East

Germany would have to drive them all the way back across the Urals and then fortify defenses and supply lines

>>131717849
>What caused Hitler to lose WW2?

Not enough babies.

>>131717849
he should have given more power to his generals and trusted their military experience more, he let his ego dictate decisions that ended badly and could have been prevented.
things like not crushing britain when they had them on the ropes, and recalling everyone back for his birthday. he also should have held off on taking russia, he should have negotiated with stalin and held off fighting them until the last possible second. before starting the war he should have stockpilled tons of munitions or tried working out a better strategy for supply lines.

>>131717849
Logistics.

America had it, meaning the Allies had it. And the Axis didn't.

>>131720135
They didnt invade during the russian winters they started their invasion in june retard. And yea let the germans build that line, with what supplies they had no oil they could barely keep going with 1941's war production going. they badly need oil thats why they invade. They cant fight a war just on romanian oil retard.

>>131719846
1) Anglos running convoys of lend-lease supplies from the Americans to the Borscht boys.
2) Germany was complete fucking swiss cheese when it came to protecting their intelligence. There were spies everywhere.
3) German industry should have gone to total war footing after defeating France but it didn't.
4) Italy fucked things up and was unreliable.
5) The invasion of Greece was a huge waste of time and resources.

>>131719706
Never send a Corporal to do a President's job.

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I agree mostly. He should've let Guderian press on and take moskow (because he absolutely would have.) Instear Hitler made constant poor decisions on the eastern front and they ultimately led to disaster.

>>131719995
nah, USSR produced enough T-34 tanks and IL-2 planes on their own. Lend lease helped but it was pretty minor, and the bulk of it kicked in after the important battles (Stalingrad, Kursk)

>>131719484
>socialism
retard.

>>131720555
Lol no the soviets would have starved without lend and lease, almost all agriculture was in ukraine which was occupied by the reich. Also yes its 100 percent fact that the soviet economy would have colloapsed without lend and lease.

>>131719679
They didn't invade Russia during the winter genius they invaded at the beginning of summer. The invasion just didn't finish on time and dragged on into winter

>>131718598
This. The Bolshies fighting on German territory would be harassed at every turn. Plus, without invading Russia the likelihood of Britain or the US declaring war on the USSR goes up exponentially.

>>131720829
Either way, the German people were bombed, raped, and slaughtered like animals, if you're gonna invade, defend and secure your turf first.

>>131720829
"Yeah bro lets have war with germany AND the Soviets"
An hero big league

Jews bolstering the military might against those who fight commies

>>131720430
The Russian army was a joke. Poorly trained and supplied. It wasn't because of oil. Hitler took the opportunity to invade so he did which cost him the war. Do you honestly think the plan was to take Russia in 4-5 months before the winter? Hitler went against his generals and ordered an invasion.

America
Navy Seals
Marines

>>131721246
Yea they litearlly got to the gates of moscow in less than 5 months. If they took the city the soviets are done. Their is a major transit hub is in moscow and is also a key economic zone. Have finland partake in the seige of lenningrad and its game over.

>>131720817
That's my point hence why my original question was which mistake cost the axis the war. Obviously, they didn't plan to fight through the winter. Opening up the eastern front cost them the war

>>131721132
Maybe not the US outright, but Churchill had a hard-on for fucking up the USSR, and if Churchill did it in 41 or 42 I think FDR probably would've followed.

>>131721513
I think we agree that opening up an eastern front was a bigger mistake than the bombing of pearl harbour by the japs getting the US involved.

>>131721621
Ok so not only do you have the soviets willing to sign an armistice with germany since that front will be a total stalemate but you now have to face a unstoppable germany a weak but capable soviet union. Yea ok, you might get north africa if rommel turns full retard.

>>131721771
Ok if you think germany could survive on romanian oil forver with the kinda occupation you had in the balkans and poland plus defending france, hungary and romania while also giving rommel supplies your beyond retarded.

>>131717849
Crossing the jews.

>>131717849
>dunkirk
>stalingrad
>the sabotage of heavy water plant in norway

>>131719598
in the end the masons won against russia with the bolshevik revolution

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Post your feeling the first time you realized the good guys didn't win WW2

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>>131717849
I'm actually an expert on this, and I've studied world war 2 battles and logistics extensively. There are five main failures of the Germans that contributed to their direct strategic loss of the war. There are of course other ones (like the ineffective use of V2 rockets as a resource sink) but they were simply negative aspects to the war efford and not direct contributors to the loss. Changing any one of the following has a good chance of winning the war outright.

>The failure of Operation SIlver Fox.
This operation was a joint German-Finnish operation to take the Northern Russian port of Murmansk and cut off, or capture, the rail line to Moskow from the north. This would also give them access to the Port of Arkangelsk from the peninsula. While the Finnish arm (Winter Fox) succeeded initially, the troops and supplies were insufficient for the operation as a whole, and the 100k Russian force was highly underestimated in familiar winter conditions. This resulted in a stalemate and failure to take the port. This port was EESENTIAL in American supplies to the Soviet war machine, including 14,000 supply trucks, 5,000 tanks, essential machine equipment for weapons factories, and over a million pairs of boots fot Russian soldiers. Without this port, Russia wouldn't have been able to arm or supply their large population which they used to throw at the Germans.

>Failure to resupply Rommel
Rommel has a hugely sujccessful African campaign, but time and time again, he couldn't capitalize on victories due to a lack of supplies and reinforcements. With adequate supplies (which were instead sent to the Eastern front) he could have easily taken Cairo and the Suiez canal, cutting off British fuel and food supplies from the empire. Without these, Britain would ahve been far less effective and would likely have been unable to fuel their airforce adequately,

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>>131721851
Yeah, without really fudging the numbers Germany loses without ASB's but the absurdity of it makes it an interesting thought exercise

>>131721957
Forever? You mean secure those places you mentioned before you order the invasion of russia? Hitler got greedy and impatient. He went against the advice of his generals and Ordered an invasion before it was strategically optimal. Why would a poorly trained and equipped Russian miltary try and invade germany?

We know the united states actually lost ww2...douglas.

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>>131722471
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>Failure to cut off Moscow
Due to 20/20 hindsight in history, we now know just how the Russian government was structured, and that the leadership and control was stationed in Moscow. They surrounded moscow with so many troops specifically to prevent capture. However, if the Germans went straight for Moscow, instead of going for Stalingrad, they could have cut off the rail lines to the rest of Russia and cut off much of Russia from the iron fist of the communist leadership, resulting in a much easier outland capture and the very likely retreat of the communist leadership to behind the Ural mountains line. Surrounding Moscow would ahve likely ended the war then and there.

>Not capturing the British and European expeditionary forces at Dunkirk.
Hitler ordered his armies to stop advancing (stopping their capture or defeat) at Dunkirk. This failure was twofold. First, it gave the British a massive propaganda victory which rallied wartime Britain e.g the unification of the public (fishing boats) alongside the military, in the fight against Hitler. Secondly, it allowed the British to save a huge amount of their army and most experienced soldiers, many of which were essential to further operations in Europe, and the eventual D-Day. Killing or captureing these troops would ahve demoralzied Britain, cut off their means of retaliation, or provide a useful bargaining chip for Hitler.

>Trusting their allies for critical missions
This is twofold. Italy, and their Hungarian/east europe allied. First, Italy was absolutely a collossal failure and liability during the war, in the end, costing Germany far more to help italy than Italy provided in support. Secondly conscripts from east Europe countries were the primary reason the Russian winter offensive succeeded in flanking and capturing the main German force in 1944. The Russian generals broke easily through the inexperienced, unequipped and demoralized flanks which were protecting the main German force.

Why does /ptg/ hate Nazis and Hitler so much, but love talking about "based black guys?"

>>131722422
>US vs Them

That's propaganda, remember, the true enemy is the Jews, the rich and corrupt, redshield and the Illuminati, they fund wars and watch the goyim kill each other over ideologies and resources for their benefit.

>>131717849
Volgograd was crucial point in getting to the Baku oil. Hitler could not not go there. Also, Volga was a prominend transport node.

Also, Hitler lost WW2 because he went to USSR instead of teaming up with Stalin to btfo eternal anglo and kikes at USA.

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>>131720829
>>131718598
Germany would have lost even harder if they waited any longer to attack Russia. If anything, they waited too late.
Russia was preparing to attack within weeks, and Barbarossa was partly brought up ahead of schedule to take advantage of the fact that the Russians were still not fully deployed and armed, nor had finished their fortifications. The reason the Germans took millions of Russians captive within such a short amount of time is they were all stationed there, ready with their supplies, but undeployed and unprepared for combat. It's how Germany penetrated so fast into the heart of Russia. Now, if they ahd waited for the Russians to attack, those Russians would have been fully armed, prepared and supplied, with reinforcements being constantly sent in waves to resupply losses. Germany couldn't win a war of attrition with Russia, so attacking at that time was literally the only thing they could have done to possibly win.

Also, you're forgetting that Germany had excellent infrastructure and was densley industrialized, meaning any loss of German territory would not only severely cripple Germany's morale and capability to wage war, but all the autobahns would allow any invading force to very quickly access the heart of Germany, if any breakthrough was successful. The German war machine was built for one thing, and that was to attack. That's one of the reasons Germany fell so quickly and we don't hear about "the years Germany spent defending their homeland," because once their lines were broken, it was a matter of weeks before Germany fell.

>>131719501
>Had Japan attacked SU from flank instead of being pussies and just pillaging poor villages and civilians

This is very true. The Soviet Winter offensive was only possible because the Soviets gambled that the Japs wouldn't attack from the East, so they re-deployed an entire army that was defending their eastern flank from japan, to Moscow. That army was also a mountain and winter warfare division, which allowe dthe Russians to attack so effectively in winter with fresh, fully supplied men. If Japan had put pressure on their eastern flank, they wouldn't have been able to redeploy those men, and wouldn't have been able to stage the winetr offensive. Or if they had done, Japan could very easily have marched right into the heart of Russia and taken the Ural mountains.

Well the whole operation relied on Japan actually invading Siberia and not dragging the US into the ar. This would have caused Russia to be on a 2 front war and WW2 could have turned out very differently.

>>131720555
No, that's completely wrong.
The soviets completely moved their industry to Siberia and that industry was almost entirely supplied with tools, materials, and expertise by the allies through lend lease through Murmansk and Arkangelsk. As much as 70% of the steel used in Russian tanks was supplied via the Northern ports. You're also forgetting that the Americans sent them modern machining equipment, used to build tanks/trucks/equipment. Lend lease also supplied the soviets with boots, clothes, and food for millions of men. Russia had a massive amount of manpower, but during Barbarossa they lost most of their equipment, industry, and veteran soldiers. Without lend lease they would have just sent millions more unequipped men to the grinder and would have had massively lower numbers of armour divisions.

>>131724527
Yes. They didn't even need to get wins. Just dedicate divisions of land forces and try to push as close to moscow as possible. With soveit union fighting on 2 fronts it would be much harder for them

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>>131724136
A country's most precious resource is its people, invading other countries was the first mistake on Hitler's part, he was an inbred, which contributed to him being manipulated by the zionists in his administration, his lust for war was lit by them, and the anti-semitic segregation of concentration camps helped sell the propaganda to the allies. The way I see it, he should've increased the numbers of the German soldiers, it wouldn't be hard, nationalism socialism is very profitable, he should have waged war and invasions slowly with instructions to pass down to new Führers, instead of trying to conquer everything in a lifetime, but he wasn't as clever as the Jews, in fact, they're the most intelligent race in the world, they used him, he was a good pawn, a good goy, the worst thing to ever happen to Europe and white nationalism.

>>131720532

Read the Halder diary. By October, Guderian, after that thrust south to Kiev, had to hold up because he was out of supplies, out of ammunition, equipment needed repair, and his units needed to rebuild. When they got going again, they weren't finished rebuilding. By the time they got to Moscow, they were at only 60% strength.

What they should have done was: In October, Army Group Center and South form a defensive line, resupply and regroup and wait for spring. Army Group North should have taken Leningrad.

>>131720555
>Lend lease helped but it was pretty minor

"The total lend-lease supplies which we furnished Russia in round numbers amounted to 16,523,000 tons, worth $10,670,000,000. Among other items, there were included 375,000 trucks, about 52,000 jeeps, 7,000 tanks, some 6,300 other combat vehicles, 2,300 artillery vehicles, 35,000 motorcycles, 14,700 aircraft, 8,200 anti-aircraft guns, 1,900 steam locomotives, 66 Diesel locomotives, 11,000 railway cars of various types, 415,000 telephones, 3,786,000 automobile and truck tires, 2,670,000 tons of oil products, 4,478,000 tons of foodstuffs, 15 million pairs of army boots, 6 oil refineries, and a factory for the production of motors, tires, etc. Total British deliveries ran to a value of £312,000,000 (the equivalent of $1,248,000,000) bringing the joint worth of American and British aid, not counting Canadian help, to $11,918,000,000." - Herbert Hoover, Freedom Betrayed

>>131727201
Why is the steel used in those gorillions of Russian tanks not mentioned even though this guy >>131724880 says 70% of it came from lend lease and it's so important?

Jews writing fucking comics pumping up American boys 2 fight the kike fight! This is the true reason. England would have fucking died without usa I mean (((usa))) always the jews

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Gee, idk, maybe, 20 million russians?

>>131727615

The list I posted (with reference) didn't bother to list everything. I'm sure you understand that if you have to manufacture your own trucks and locomotives, that's resources you can't use to manufacture tanks.

One point of annoyance between American liason and the Soviets was that Stalin never acknowledge all the help he was getting from the US.

Also, Stalin was selling excess Lend-Lease material to Japan, which was neutral with the Soviets at the time. One British general wrote "He wouldn't have been Stalin if he didn't"

>>131717849
Overextension going past 100%. France has high development

>>131717849
Being Socialist filth.

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>>131717849

>>131722471
>>131723307

Finally someone speaks with authority

>>131728172
Jews are the masters at propaganda. The USA bit hook line and sinker.

Now the Jews run the media and the banks and whites are going extinct.

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>>131717849
in terms of tactics there are 3 main contributions to the lose
>the army going to Stalingrad was split. one to the oil fields below and one to the city itself which. Stalingrad was a strategic point they needed along with the oil fields to push onto Moscow and win. if they didn't split the army they could have easily overrun the city before reinforcements arrived.
>Dunkirk. the show of good faith to the jew loving Churchill was a mistake. Britain was already reeving up propaganda and the populous had accepted they were at war. Hitler should have pressed the advantage and just leveled the place before the evacuation could happen.
>FUCKING HORSE DRAWN SUPPLY LINES. caps says it all, the german line on the eastern front and a good portion on the western front was still being supplied by horse drawn carts.

there are a few other mistakes that would have helped the Germans win ww2 but those are the main 3. If you go back in time and fix any of those big ones I am certain Germany would have won. If anything I hope we learn from these mistakes and know to never underestimate the enemy and keep your supply always in good hands.

>>131722471
>>131723307
>Trusting their allies for critical missions
>Failure to resupply Rommel
these two so much.

>>131717849

Rule 1 of the Book of War
>don't march on Moscow

WTF why is /ptg/ nothing but faggots talking about how much they like "based black guys" and how "Jews aren't so bad when they're on our side guys."

What went wrong there?

>>131719501
>How Germany could have won the WW2
They couldn't have. Germany lacked the manpower, industry, or existing materiel to win the war. Lets hypothetically assume Germany takes Moscow and defeats the USSR (ignoring the infeasibility of that because the Russians started Barbarossa with an almost 4 to 1 advantage in numbers of tanks and aircraft and that gap in numbers would only grow as the war progressed). Now Germany needs to deploy millions of soldiers to keep eastern Europe under German control while at the same time defending the entire European coastline from potential allied landings and has to somehow keep from being ground into oblivion in the face of perpetual strategic bombing raids and an allied blockade across Europe.

Even Hitler realized that Germany never really had a chance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClR9tcpKZec

>>131724527
>The Soviet Winter offensive was only possible because the Soviets gambled that the Japs wouldn't attack from the East
Because Japan was busy dealing with China, was running low on resources, and every major battle they fought with the Soviets ended with the Japanese getting their shit pushed in. When the USSR finally invaded Manchuria they overran the whole area in 11 days, killing 80,000 Japanese and capturing 600,000 Japanese.

>>131729058
You must admit they set themselves up good. Newspapers, comics, Hollywood, tv.. propaganda is king and our only defense is the Internet but now U.K. jailing Facebook posts, Canada and Germany pulling shit also. Twitter and Facebook pushing an agenda . What will happen then? People of /pol/ meeting in seedy basements? Its going 2 get worse way worse.

>>131729364

Hitler talked about how it was a mistake to let his personal friendship with Mussolini get the better of his judgement. He said the best course would have been for Italy to remain neutral. Instead, Mussolini invaded France after they were already beaten to grab a bit of glory.

There would have been no need for a North Africa campaign and for Rommel to bail out the Italians in Libya if Italy stayed neutral.

Hitler was furious when Mussolini told him that the Italian army invaded Greece. Of course, that brought the British in there also, so Hitler had to send German troops to fix that fuck-up. This was one of the things that delayed the start of Barbarossa.

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>>131729921
Thats what happened after WW1 to Germany. Then......well..........you know.

>>131729448

but i wanna see Moscow fall and burn in my lifetime.

>>131717849
>What caused Hitler to lose WW2?
Having an inferior army.

>>131717849
Their biggest mistake was timing.

They should have waited to invade poland. They were only a few years away from rocketry and perhaps even nukes. They had a nuclear program, but it was ended with the invasion of poland. (They didnt yet realize the potential)

With such a military force no country on earth stood a chance of invading them before germany gave them a reason. Nor did any have the desire to.

America was majorly isolationist until japan fucked up, so they werent even a threat.

Had they waited until they had a silver bullet of some sort, such as nukes, jet propelled planes, or effective rockets, (or god willing all 3) then the blitzkrieg would have easily encompassed the entire globe. No country would have stood a chance.

Also, if germany had waited, with luck the other participants in the war might have engaged elsewhere and made their job easier. Or they could have triggered it. Why not conduct a false flag forcing the potential allied powers into a war amongst themselves?

They were too anxious to attack. They still had a chance, but it was too risky to attack when they did.

>>131729821

The Soviets knew that Japan was going to attack the US. Information from the Sorge spy ring in Japan and also from their agents in the US government told them as much. By cutting off oil exports to Japan in July, 1941 and turning down Japanese offers to negotiate, war was definitely coming and Roosevelt knew it. He just didn't know where the attack would come (he and his staff thought the Philippines).

War with Japan was the war Roosevelt needed to get the war he wanted with Germany.

>>131730557
He fought the 3 biggest world powers and almost won.

You starved 40 million of your own people. They were eating their own kids you fucking idiot.

>>131731064
>almost won.
Not even close kid.

>>131731167
It was actually pretty close, kid.

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>>131723616
Why do you think?

>>131730817

"Played golf today with Joe Kennedy (Kennedy was Roosevelt's Ambassador to Great Britain) I asked him about his conversations with Roosevelt and Neville Chamberlain from 1938 on. He said Chamberlain’s position in 1938 was that England had nothing with which to fight and that she could not risk going to war with Hitler. Kennedy’s view: That Hitler would have fought Russia without any later conflict with England if it had not been for Bullitt’s (William C. Bullitt, Ambassador to France) urging on Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 that the Germans must be faced down about Poland; neither the French nor the British would have made Poland a cause of war if it had not been for the constant needling from Washington. Bullitt, he said, kept telling Roosevelt that the Germans wouldn’t fight, Kennedy that they would, and that they would overrun Europe. Chamberlain, he says, stated that America and the world Jews had forced England into the war. In his telephone conversation with Roosevelt in the summer of 1939 the President kept telling him to put some iron up Chamberlain’s backside. Kennedy’s response always was that putting iron up his backside did no good unless the British had some iron with which to fight, and they did not." - Forrestal Diaries, Dec 27th, 1945

Kennedy told the basically the same story to Herbert Hoover. Bullitt was also the one who convinced the Poles not to negotiate with Hitler.

The Poles were the ones who got royally screwed by Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin and they kept coming back for more. They would have been better off if they cut a deal with Hitler.

>>131731706
No joke, I posted a Hitler meme and they went ape shit and started ranting about how much they hate Nazis and Hitler and how we need based nigs and spics and Jews etc.

>>131722391
>bolshevik revolution
Funded by Germans to take Russian Empire out of WWI, how ironic.

>>131717849
>What caused Hitler to lose WW2?

1. Land war in asia

2. Winter invasion of siberia

3. War on 3 fronts.

4. delaying a tactical invasion until the defenders could muster reinforcements.

that's all I could think of right now.

>>131717849
His retarded nationalistic policy.
Many soviet citizens weren't happy with commies, but Nazis left them no choice in the matter of fighting. If you didn't want to be exterminated or enslaved by Nazis - you had to fight.

>>131717849
He should not attack Russia to begin with. But it wouldn't be able ro win in the long term anyways. It was a doomed cause from the start.

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>>131717849
>What caused Hitler to lose WW2?
his spergs

>>131734762
lol what a fucking retard.

>>131735631
The Soviet Union fell LMAO

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>>131735918

>>131734762
never seen someone tweaking? lol

Bombing London. He got suckered into abandoning the original plan of taking out Brit air defence then ports. London was outside range of fighter escorts. Germany lost its long range heavy bombers.
Russia moved factories past Ural Mountains. Germany could not bomb factories because of losses in London bombing. Commies built a shit ton of tanks. Barbarossa became barbecue for Nazi tanks.

>>131737249
>Germany lost its long range heavy bombers.

Luftwaffe bombers were medium, not heavy, and poorly designed for their roles. They were 1930s legacy designs.

Germany never fielded a serious heavy bomber. HE-177 a shit, FW-200 basically an airliner.

>Invades England at Dunkirk

England forces are in full route, would have been crushed, USA would have no standing point for an invasion, western flank secured, all forces move to eastern front and crush Russia.

>Battle of London

Once Luftwaffe realizes England's radar capabilities, stop bombing runs and redirect to eastern front, U-Boats used to strangle shipping and starve England out.

>Operation Barbarossa

Holds line and besieges Stalingrad rather than engaging, secures supply lines and reinforcements through winter, engages the city after spring thaw and months of constant shelling, marches to Moscow and secures Eastern front.

>Stand and Die at Kursk

Orderly retreat and lines reformed in German territory. Closer to supply lines, organized formations. By this point millions of Russians are mobilized, but German chances of success on the defensive with a tactical retreat and reform are much greater.

>Operation Bodyguard

Hitler allows Rommel to keep the Western front Panzer divisions at Normandy, or even releases the Panzers when Rommel calls for them from Pad de Calis, the armored divisions would crush the troops on the beach, and the invasion would have been a bloodier Gallipoli.

>>131741440
>Hitler allows Rommel to keep the Western front Panzer divisions at Normandy, or even releases the Panzers when Rommel calls for them from Pad de Calis, the armored divisions would crush the troops on the beach, and the invasion would have been a bloodier Gallipoli.

They had no Luftwaffe support. I doubt the panzer divisions would've helped much.

>>131742786
30 Panzer division, on the high ground, engaging soft targets, making a beach landing, with no armored support themselves. Even if they had secured the beach, it would have been a phiric victory, and the Panzer divisions would have just fallen back to the bocage country.

>Regiments not divisions

>>131717849
Fuck Hitler. He never listened to his military generals. He got what he deserved.

>>131742786
Furthermore, allied air strikes on hard targets like bunkers proved highly ineffective. I doubt they would have had any better success hitting smaller, concealed tanks

>>131743268
It's not so much the fact that you can't effectively counter their airstrikes on materiel targets (although it's still something you should worry about), it's more the fact that you can't counter their bombers decimating your resupply capability. The Germans were already having supply problems with bombers destroying rail networks and fuel depots in western and central France, having 30 armored divisions wouldn't make the situation much better. You'll have a lot of tanks out of fuel and out of ammo.

>>131717849
the jews

>>131721436
lol. nice bait leafnigger.

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>>131717849
Low gdp compared to the allies.

>>131734762
He was watching runners at the olympics and he was really into sport.
Also he was on a lot of pervitin these days.

>>131724527
>Japan could very easily have marched right into the heart of Russia and taken the Ural mountains

Come on nigger

>>131719679
>Germany trying to fight on two fronts and invade Russia during the winter??

I challenge someone to come up with a more normie understanding of WWII strategy. There was no western front when they invaded the USSR in the summer you dumbass.

>>131717849
Time traveling kikes

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He should of allied with Russia instead of invading them.

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>>131722471
>>131723307
capped

>>131717849
He should have finished with UK first. Although ultimately it wouldn't have mattered if he coundn't progress on the bomb.

Overextended on the rhetoric of conquest without tactical purpose, they were having a good time stomping across europe in jackboots and got a little too caught up in it...

Hence stalingrad.

>>131729364
>Failure to resupply Rommel
It doesn't really matter how much you send to him and how effectively you keep the Royal Navy away from your convoys, it still comes down to the fact that Rommel's entire supply line is a single road stretching over a thousand miles, where he has to burn a significant amount of fuel just to bring the fuel itself and other supplies to the front via truck, somewhat similar to the tyranny of the rocket equation.
Read this:
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a348413.pdf

>>131717849
Simple.
>Actually prepare for a long war.
>Bomb the RAF airfields instead of cities.
>Get Japan to attack Soviets in Siberia. Preventing all the eastern divisions from reliving a shattered western front.
There was always Dunkirk was well but that fuck up was intentional.

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>>131717849
> Overextension into russia
> Fail to ally England or the US
> Too small of an population(although elite) to take all out world war type attrition
> Didn't listen to generals
> Bad tech focuses, overcomplicated and expensive tigers, luftwaffe almost exlusivly attack bombers, didn't further develop paratroopers although it had success.
Probarly was coked up on meth when doing these choices.

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>implying it is possible to victory over Thousand-year Svyataya Rus

>>131719412
This.

>>131748848
*kills ur tsar*

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yeah, if they let russia invade germany and they don't let the allies retreat at dunkirk then I think old Adolf sweeps it up pretty quickly.

>>131718598
>WW2 is an FPS game lel
>what is initiative (in warfare)
The one who has the initiative (attacks) has the upper hand, period. Germany attacked exactly in the best moment possible. The Soviets were halfway in their mobilisation, they concentrated enough troops that their loss was very significant, but they were still too few to halt the German advance. The attack was a masterfully executed move on Germany's part.

>>131719010
It was expected, and Stalingrad was a big fucking nothing in the context of the war, inflated in its significance to bolster the Russkies' ego.

>>131719099
>>131719307
Finally someone makes some sense.

>>131719399
Surely the defeat had nothing to do with the ~1 million strong Soviet reinforcements going against a force of ~300 000 battered troops, or Göring's inability to provide supplies for them via airdrops as he promised. And surrender was not a fucking option, first because while the fight for Stalingrad was ongoing, the Soviets could not overrun the German forces retreating from the Caucasus, which would have been a much greater loss. And fighting in the city was still preferable to trying to break through the Soviet lines that encircled the by then.

>>131719412
ICBM = intercontinental ballsitic missile
The V2 was not intercontinental. Also, Hitler personally opposed the usage of WMDs, especially nukes, when he learned about the permenent effects they have on the enviroment.

>>131719484
Normie tier explaination.
I'd really liek to continue but answering to each and every stupid shit ppls say here is tiresome.

Suffice to say that Germany was so much outnumbered and outgunned, that victory was never a possibility. All "what if" threads are pointless.

Didn't listen to his generals. Didn't increase enough in air superiority. Fighting a war with Russia in winter.

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>>131717849
The fact that he caught dysentery in 1942 and poo pooed in his pants multiple times a day for 2 weeks!!!

>>131752140
August 1941 I mean.

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>>131717849
The fact that he caught dysentery in 1941, vomited and POOPED in his pants multiple times a day for 2 weeks!!!

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The fact that he caught dysentery and pooped in his pants multiple times a day for 2 weeks!!!

>>131752416
I'll bet he smelled really bad when he did it, too!!! Pee-YOU!!!!!!!

>>131752416
Why does no one care???????

>>131717849
The inferiority of the german barbarian.

Pooooooooooooooop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>131717849
I think it was probably an ego problem. I heard that he didn't listen to his generals about Russia.

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>>131717849
no superpower

>>131751629
>when he learned about the permenent effects they have on the enviroment.

Those were unknown before the nuke test era.
Don't make shit up.

>>131717849
compared to the lend-lease backed allies
less manpower, less manufacturing, less supplies

blitzkrieg was a smart move since they would be able to win a quick war while being doomed to fail if it turns into a war of attrition

>>131728795
yea that's pretty good, should mention also that the Germans had a major spy problem with Canaris and Bormann and the enigma codes snatched from that weather station early in the war did all have some effect.