NATURAL LAW / UNIVERSAL MORALITY

>>131710475

Natural law is "nonsense on stilts" and effectively only ever exists as an organizing principle for society as enforced by the state.

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>>131712307
Prove it fag

>>131710475
no

>>131712709

Onus is on you, bruh. Do you even Bentham?

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>>131712983
Natural law: A right = moral behavior. All bad behavior is a form of theft. Therefore, government is morally wrong as it uses force against me and I can defend myself under natural law. If a cop comes at me bro I can put that nigguh down and be righteous because there is no such thing as authority. I own my body.

>>131712307
To the contrary natural law is the only way you can have the concept of rights be based in anything other than feels. With out it, rights become a list of privileges that can be taken or given or reserved for a certain group of people (LGBT "rights" Woman's "rights" etc.)

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>>131710475
>morality

>>131710475
Of course there is a natural law.
Concerning homosexuality:
>our eyes are made to see
>our ears to hear
>our tongues to taste
>our fingers to grasp
>our reproductive organs in their sexual capacity to reproduce
Therefore, sodomy is not only unnatural, but abhorrent to nature. This is why even the ancients (Plato, Aristotle) considered coitus interruptus just as abhorrent and degenerate as sodomy.
Contraception, therefore, is a behavior of sodomites.

>>131710475
No. Fuck off with your Plato and your tits and your lie flag

>>131710475
The only natural law is "might is right". Everything else either follows this or is make believe.

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>>131715865
So if I get a blowjob, or even fuck my wife trying to get her pregnant and she doesn't... that's degenerate and unnatural?

>>131716337
Any deliberate frustration of the natural result of the marital act is philosophically indistinguishable from sodomy.

>or even sleep with my wife trying to get her pregnant and she doesn't
Just because conception does not occur when the marital act was not frustrated does not mean there was an abuse of the sexual faculty.

>>131716597
But that's implying sex, albeit between recognized married couples, is only to reproduce. As if it doesn't serve a function in unification, both spiritually and physically. It is a glue, a way to learn, establish roles, etc etc, all the other things about sex that isn't babies later.

To treat it this way seems to discredit any "specialness" to sex....even when it's ok to do it...

Am I missing something?

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>>131716597
So no blowjobs... I'd rather live in a world of trannys and blowjobs than no trannys and no blowjobs.

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>>131717079
And for the pleasure of busting a fat-ass nut

>>131716337
>So if I get a blowjob, or even fuck my wife trying to get her pregnant and she doesn't... that's degenerate and unnatural?
Don't worry. I already fucked your wife and got her pregnant. Same with your mom and your sister. They were all in bed with me at the same time. Your wife said she's never felt a dick inside her before because yours is so tiny.

>>131717079
The marital act is both procreative and unitive.

If pleasure is the measure of the goodness of the act, who is to say what pleasures cannot be extracted from it? Many obviously can. This isn't the intent. Even the ancients understood this in the mythical parable of Dionysus.

Because we live in a contraceptive society with a contraceptive mentality, sodomy inevitably began to rise. The reason is obvious: if sex is all about pleasure, then who is to say what sort of sex is allowed and disallowed?

The sodomite union SCOTUS ruling cited this very principle; Judge Alito:
>If this traditional understanding of the purpose of marriage does not ring true to all ears today, that is probably because the tie between marriage and procreation has frayed.

A rise in contraception gives rise to sodomitical activity because they are philosophically the same.

>>131710475
>>131712709
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>>131716337
>>131717083

this guy get's it.

Natural law is in opposition to the state and "civilization" in general. To truly live in accordance with nature one must reject the state. Civilization was invented as a means for different people to live together; different classes, different races, different religions, etc.

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>>131718800
I don't know if I get it because I don't know if I believe in it to tell you the truth. It sounds nice and all but that means eating animals is completely immoral, hell even stepping on grass would be wrong and immoral. Not only this but that means smoking meth and jerking off to tranny porn all day is OK. I don't know man, as people we might actually need a strong regulatory force that controls us like cattle. I strongly believe that we are sheep and can be programmed, just gotta make sure were programmed to be strong good men like in Athens, instead of the faggoty bitch numales running around now.

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>>131719628
>Athens

*Sparta. Excuse me.

I want freedom, but freedom is so precious and fragile and can bite you in the ass so quickly. I feel that as people we aren't ready for it. If the state was gone tomorrow in America the Capitalist system would eat us all alive and we'd all deteriorate into uberdegenerates.