/lrg/ LIBERTARIAN RIGHT GENERAL

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First for guns fuck yeah

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>>131672689
I dream of a society free of the asphalt Jew.

Grow up, manchild.

>>131673109
Yeah guys, grow up and larp like it's 1942 with us grown ass adults.

so who is the judge again in this society? if i kill someone and there is no clear evidence?

It's exactly the same in every other civil society, no evidenced, no crime.

>>131673417
Now what if I kill someone in you preferred society and there's zero evidence? Are you gonna come after me on a hunch?

>>131673625
im not saying there is zero evidence(in this case you get away with it)
im saying in many cases the investigation is not 100% clear and the judge decides if the perpetrator (or not) is punished

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ANCAP TRAP HAREMS WHEN?!?!

>can't kill this without a contract

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>>131673920
So there is evidence of a murder, but nothing tied to the suspect? Then there's no evidence. Is that a answer your question? Maybe give an exact hypothetical if not.

>>131674133
Fuck off faggot, we don't want your kind in this covenant you Brazilian/Canadian trap loving libertien.

>>131673417
Your victims next of kin or a DRO (Dispute Resolution Organization) of his choosing would present the case in a private court. If you went to the court to defend yourself, you would be punished if you were found guilty. If you stayed home, you would be tried in absentia. You would probably be literally dragged to court so you could defeat the case built against you in your absence. Whether you succeeded or not, you would carry the costs of this shortened re-trial.

At least, that's how I would organize it. I think this idea is straightforward enough that it would become pretty common, though. Alternatively, the court might just deliver the full punishment whether you defended yourself or not. If that sounds like shit to you, then it probably does to everyone else. Who wants a trigger-happy court like that?

>>131672689
No "Ethics of Liberty", or "For a New Liberty"? I'm appalled!

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>>131672689
>promoting usury and the Shylock view of money

>>131673920
>>131674400
i just say that there will be a necessity of judges in grudges between people i mean for example
what if someone tries to mug me i shoot him and a third person only sees me shooting him would they be inclined to shoot me in this kind of society?

>>131674529
>Loosely quoting Marx
Your trash, and probably fake news as well.

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>>131674329

> does causing butthurt on a /pol/ thread constitute breach of NAP?

> y somos travestis, marica

>>131674892
Hoppe spoke against vigilantism because it would incur more costs for insurers.

>>131674975
It does on /lrg/ intellectual property. I saw your post where you swore to spam /lrg/ until we had a discussion about trannies. It's not gonna happen faggot. Get lost.

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>>131675241

That was more of a call to the world than a declaration of a flame war. A perfectly viable institution is being neglected in an otherwise hypothetical discussion, and we must not waver in reaping the potential benefits of anarcho-capitalism. I see every post as being its own property; the Internet is a commonwealth, after all.

>prove the intellectual aggression

>>131675581
Fuck off, I don't have to debate scum so below myself such as you. Go away, stop posting your filth.

>>131674133

What part of no faggotry do you not understand, degenerate scum?

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>>131675787

>McBombshell incoming

>>131675962
How many out of 10 girls in Brasil have a dick?

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>>131674133
>>131675962
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>>131675962
get out, so to speak

>>131676068

That's a good question... most likely a higher ratio than horsefuckers there. That's something I wouldn't even entertain in my stables, I can't see how any woman could consent to a contract to do that business.

As for me, I'm a landlord of simple and lacy tastes.

>>131676391
So hypothetically, If I would visit brasil and get drunk as fuck how high is the chance that I end up with a trap, later that night?

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>>131676115

Duly noted, my polite friend. What institutions would you found on your land? Stores? Repair shops?

What should the age of consent be, if it exists, of course.
And what if someone buys all the territory and roads around my house and bans me from any travelling at all.

>>131676692
Lol, my bro plays total war games and did just that. He made them a trade ally. So I guess just be useful.

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>>131675787
No public faggotry. If he keeps them in a dungeon, but in public only appears with his loyal wife, and never discusses it, there's no issue.

>>131676692
Age of consent will be by culture, like it is now.

>>131676692
>What should the age of consent be
The age when a person can make decisions on their own, here you count as an adult with 18, still girls can't decide for their own way past their 40s, while some depend their whole life on the state to make decisions for them.

Then, you will have to make an agreemant, or your security providers will negotiate if there is no result, it could end in a violent conflict, but at least it won'T end in a war like between states and is restricted locally.

Is libertarianism capable of doing what needs to be done in order to fix the West? It seems like you'd need fascism for some time before hand, especially considering how cucked libertarianism is when it comes to national borders.

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>>131676630

If you wandered into certain parts of cities, fairly god chance. Just bring rubbers and a facemask to protect against devil's breath.

>>131676692

>just navigate THEM PEAKS swissbro :D

homestead like a mofo into undeveloped parts of his territory abutting yours, build an airport, use your resources to rent property outside the surrounders' property.

>>131677068

We're talking about harems friend, not extraterritorial visits. Of course the owner would put on a straight appearance as a dignitary in your place; the seraglios would only be for entertainment and inspiration inside the owners' borders. Advertisement (like I do), is accepted as capitalism, on the other hand.

>>131677306
Relying on politicians to fix things is what got us in this mess in the first place. Fascism is just wishful thinking that there's an easy way out. There isn't. If something's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

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>>131677306
Fascism is a natural reaction, just push a libertarian to the point when he starts fighting back, and the commies will hang.
But that is just a theory I am not a libertarian, but they are the only ones on the right I like.

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>>131677413
>We're talking about harems friend, not extraterritorial visits. Of course the owner would put on a straight appearance as a dignitary in your place; the seraglios would only be for entertainment and inspiration inside the owners' borders. Advertisement (like I do), is accepted as capitalism, on the other hand.
You would not be welcome in a Hoppean society, unless you could find a way to be unrealistically subtle with your advertisements.

>>131677306
No, there is no need for "pro West" laws other than undoing the damage of leftism. Deport the terrorists and big government voting Mexicans, at that point ending the welfare state is the most pro white, pro family policy.

It's the truth that

Laws do not dictate morals, the statement of laws do not stop immoral people from acting immorally

and

Laws are not meant to protect people or enforce morality, they are meant to control people and protect property

Issues of morality should never be a matter of discussion for the state, as it is a matter of the individual to act morally. If people do not act morally, they should be removed as a moral action (this is the essence of the NAP). The burden of doing so is on all moral individuals.

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>>131677652
I get your meaning, but fascism is government promotion of cultural unity.
In times of crisis, libertarian society would form groups that would probably have fascist like elements to them, but they'll not be funded by taxation.

This may seem like pedantry, but it is an important distinction.

>>131677875
>Laws do not dictate morals
Sad thing is, people in Europe actually believe this.
They justify even the most unmoral law with it is a law and therefor rightful.

>>131677731

Is the limit for advertising offending the feelings of those seeing the ads? (If so, I don't see the difference in that and leftist tactics, unless you can discern)

What type of subtlety are you talking about?

Neither are rhetorical questions by the way, this is a serious plan of mine.

>>131678217
I don't believe you have a serious conviction in you. Show me your geographic flag libertine.

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>>131678126
>I get your meaning, but fascism is government promotion of cultural unity.
It is not, only mussolini made an political arm as he formed the party, early fascism was more a spiritual idealistic thing, while the first squadristi and other bonds were formed on the countryside to protect family and property from looting communists.
I am coming from the non political side that's why I don't need a state in fact the state forces degeneration.
I also struggled many years alone thinking of an economic system that is just human interaction, until I found out it already exists as capitalism, but I believed the socialist lies from other right wingers I knew at that time, that's why I said Libertarians are the ones I like the most on the right.

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>>131678608

Tell you what, if you (and you alone) guess my flag correctly, I'll stop posting traps today. Don't worry, I abide by my promises.

I do have a serious conviction in being a patron to transexuals; this is due to real life experience with that side of things.

Aynone can tell me why those ancap/libertarian fagbook pages are so open border, that they even bash Eric July who really dindu nuffin?

>>131679145
I should know better than to play your games. But I have to assume you're the Brazilian who made older ancap trap memes.

>>131679661
Any libertarian/ancap web community other than /lrg/ is cucked by reason magazine and other globalist propaganda.

>>131680653
Funny thing is I first met you guys on radical agenda and assumed you all were like this, was pretty shocked when I found out about german libertarians, cucked to the bone muh weed muh gays etc etc.
But you guys on /pol/ are pretty nice too, I come sometimes to your threads.

>>131680524

Unfortunately you're wrong, but since you are right that I'm not 100% white, I'll stop posting them anyway for today (can't exhaust all the good ones).

Traps are more than a meme, they can be mysteries (at least the chill ones that aren't ready to shave their bones, natural/pretty CD are better).

Many customers would go for it, I'm telling you.

>>131681078
Hoppean Libertarianism is best
Small state structured societies based on deep central values or race would be the best

Pure white, Weed smoker, Gay society, etc,

but if someone enters the community that is not allowed, ADIOS

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>>131680969
Make no mistake, the message we spread here is the real Libertarian message. Mises foundation is only slightly pc but still very honest, the rest are crypto leftists that must be destroyed. You can get a better understanding watching "Reich wing watch" Noam Chomsky videos of what Libertarians are before the garbage spewed in mainstream Libertarian communities.

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sup fags

>>131681592
>black and yellow

McRoad?

>>131681325
>Gay society
Good luck with your society that can't reproduce.

>>131681472
Criiinge

>>131672689
gay

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>>131674529
begone

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>>131681325
Hoppe is one of the most important authors to unite the right, pretty much agree with him on every point if I wouldn't have known before I had thought he was also a fascist and the best thing is since I read into him I can't stand any one of the right in my country anymore, because they are all socialists.

>>131681325

What about a artistically inclined, commercially libertine society? Neighbors that dislike its policies would only need to boycott such a society, and those that use its services can do so, facing censure of course.

>>131672689

Apologies, but TEST

>>131681698
I would not advocate it, and evidently it would last but if we trick all them to escape the evil hetero, white world, everyone else would crumble

>>131681769
Where are you from?

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>>131681913
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>131682173
Anschluss gang

Within Hoppean thought, there could be fascist states, they would run into trouble if they wanted to conquer other states.. because of the NAP

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Stop spamming Pablo, the Roads Trigger le ANCAPS XD meme is dead since last year

>>131681769
We need the equivalent of the Bolsheviks -> Marx but for Hoppe

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curse you libertarians i'm going to convert you all into lollis to serve me in my army to convert more people into lolis exponentially just you wait. I'm also going to tax you.

>>131681325
>>131681787

Besides, such a variety of Hoppean states based on racial identity or credal purity would most likely exile non-consenting homosexuals and transexuals from their ranks, creating a "refugee crisis" of sorts and a potential economic force.

A state such as what I just proposed in >>131681787 would provide a humanitarian haven for them, an economic opportunity for them, and a chance to conduct viable commerce by selling the fruit of their patronage (sex, companionship, creative shit, etc).

Besides, they would understand the existence of hostile societies due to the nature of consent in the overall contract system, and they would have no mandate to fundamentally change the society leftist-style as consenters to it by contract; therefore, they would cause no problem to the landlord, as they'd only need to leave if the contract is amended to say their kind is not welcome.

>>131682532
fuck off anime fag, you'll do no such thing. plus im an adult already. get a job you hippie dipshit.

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>>131682357
Come on taxcuck, you know you like my statist porn folder's contents

I know you're getting a chubby

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>>131682308
That's what I always promoted before finding out about hoppe and know I am convinced that a free market and enforced property rights are the best way to bring europe back to it's former glory under the Kaiser.
As I said I wasted many years, because I believed the lies of the so called "right" here that I was always against capitalism, while promoting what in fact capitalism is.
Also the welfare state has to end as soon as possible, in austria the state even owns your organs if you don't request it and get an registration as non donor.

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>>131682699
don't care you're getting converted. I need somebody to build me roads i'm going to step on your sneks

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>>131681737
>tfw private roads would make midnight touge racing legal but statecucks insist on being killjoys

>>131682357
>We need the equivalent of the Bolsheviks
How about just rightful people.

If I'm a paleo-conservative like Pat Buchanan are you going to physically remove me (s2s)?
If so, based on what policies?

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>>131682756
I think i remember you. anyway glad you embraced property rights. was it simply reading Hoppe that did it for you? how did you get to this point?

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>>131683101
There's no way this is going to work without a fight.

>>131683205
Tax is NAPViolation. Agreeto no tax and you're alright.

>>131683205
you're probably culturally compatible with /lrg/ folks, long as you don't try and steal my shit we're good.

>>131683105
>full of potholes and sand
Hope you got a good roll cage

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>>131683209
Evola inspired me the most, at that time I was around 18 braking up with the natsocs I knew because of his books.
And now I am here 10 years later coming together with libertarians.
>>131683348
sometimes you just have to fight the commie hordes if there is no other way.

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>>131683394
Guess we'll need more taxes to fix them, spread your wallet little piggy

>>131683534
didn't Evola say all kinds of bad shit about capitalism? I haven't read any of him, I only think this because shills post Evola anti-capitalist quotes alot.

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>>131683992
https://mises.org/system/tdf/The%20Privatization%20of%20Roads%20and%20Highways_2.pdf?file=1&type=document

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>>131684040
Let it happen

>>131681913
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>>131683811

>can longboarders be ancaps?

What's to stop large corporations from destroying the environment in a libertarian society? And I'm not talking about CO2-memes real issues like plastic in ocean, smog-filled cities like in China, destroying forests etc.

Genuine question.

how would the expropriation of land to build roads work in this society?

>>131683811
He did go on about capitalism, but more in a way that connects it with western degeneracy, on the other hand he promoted a reich which raises itself on an individual level from within and that a state who enforce all kinds of rules as in a state of decay, and on an individual level he said you won the fight against degeneracy if you don't have to force you to stop consuming shit, but rather don't even lust for it.
On the other hand he ranted against mussolini and natsocs while living in vienna.
He was one of the most educated man in many aspects,but not really an economics man, pretty sure he was an excentric old guy in his last years.

>>131676692
>What should the age of consent be
16-18, pick any age within that range.
>what if someone buys all the territory and roads around my house and bans me from any travelling at all.
Nobody would ever do that; refer to the OP.
> avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios

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>>131676692
there will be no age of consent

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Countries for Libertarians:

>make your top 10 list

1. Switzerland
2. USA
3. Liechtenstein
4. Netherlands
5. Checzia
6. Slovakia
7. Poland
8. Hong Kong
9. Singapore
10. Malta

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>>131684119
That looks dangerous. Would be a shame if your car lost grip...

>>131673109
>flag

>>131684752
The chechz will get their rights to bear arms written in their constitution soon, my state media is bashing them for this.

>>131681592
is this supposed to prove a point?

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>>131684981
Based Checzs, we should love them a lot more in these /lrg/ threads!

Guns should be a major point for european libertarians!

>>131682357
>pic
What is that?

>>131684429
firstly ALL property is owned, there is no public property, this is very important. If all property either belongs to you or someone else your two options to dispose waste are:
>Dump you waste on your property, destroying its value (either making it unusable, or unsellable other than being a private dump.)
nothing stops you from doing this, its just highly disincentivized unless you plan to make money being a waste disposal service)
>Dump waste on another person's property
If voluntarily like intended they are probably are being paid to dispose of your waste. If not then you’re destroying their property and they would naturally not take kindly to that shit
as a bonus Gasses are harmful to other and also justify force being used against you or your property.

Alot of "what if" ancap questions can be solved the same way they are solved in other societies.

>>131684429
corporations and company's that pollute would not be favored in the public eye if people want cleaner oceans and no smog filled city's then they would not buy from those polluting company's and the company that is polluting would have to change its way or start losing money

Sup guys. I'm going to do an edit of the "Stressed out" music for libertarianism. I'll throw in our memes and quotes, Hoppe/Rothbard speeches, Pinochet images, Ron Paul videos, Cantwell -- and contrast them with the shit positions and videos we have from the LP and other lite-libertarian schmucks.

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>>131685666
>666
>EU flag
>asking about Korwin Mikke

holy shit im spooked

>>131684429
>smog-filled cities
assuming that the corporation doesn't own the city, they'd be violating the NAP, so the owner of the polluted land would be justified in using force against them.
>deforestation
If you want more trees, buy more wood.

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>>131685427
>Guns should be a major point for european libertarians!
Yes, but people are too afraid in europe you can't get them to vote for gun rights.
You can't even get them to be pro free speech because words can hurt sometimes more than a punch.
We also got a law that could even ban libertarians for not accepting the state, if they bend it liek intended, it is now just used for some degenerate new age venus project esoteric hippies and so called "reichsbürger" but that they were just the test; arrest the crazy ones and the plebs will clap and that's what they did.
So I see it coming, it is only a time until they start arresting libertarians too, because I think that was the whole point of this law.

>>131685740
But what about unowned land?

>>131685740
>>131685773

There is more to destroying climate than dumping trash. Cutting down forests will affect everybody, even if the forest is on one person's property. Then we have the issue of emissions from factories affecting the climate, even if the emissions happen on your property. And plastic in the ocean is a worldwide problem because most water is international.

There are a gorillion environment regulations and laws just to deal with issues like this, many international ones. I see no legit reason to back away from these.

>>131686298
It would be pretty stupid to cut down your forest without planting new trees, if you want to make money from it.

>>131686073
is that his wife or something? what's her name

>>131684429
Property owners would be allowed to sue corporations for damaging their bodies and property. See Thomas DiLorenzo's book The Problem With Socialism or some articles by the Mises Institute on this man.

>>131686441
Yet that is what happens in Brazil and happened in Britain during the 1800s. Almost as if people aren't always 100% rational and sometimes shortsighted, greedy and plainly dumb.

>>131672689
>crypto-jew general
ftfy

>>131686587
Short-sightedness, greediness and stupity run amok larger with a state and with socialism rather than without. Spillover effects of pollution have already been addressed by Rothbard and Hoppe.

>>131686573
So each individual person would have to sue the giant factories, causing an enormous process of determining his individual damages and individual case. Seems like an awful lot of bureaucracy instead of just having strict regulations of the factories to begin with,

>>131686298
You want to enter a contract to live in a society that is dedicated to protecting the forests and oceans? I am absolutely okay with that I would never stop such a thing. it does not go against property rights to organize like that that, ofcourse assuming you don't force me into such a contract.

Would you threaten my life If I wanted cut down trees on my property?

>>131686246
Then they'd be homesteading it; they'd be making it their land by dumping shit on it, and they'd be polluting their own property.

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>>131686531
Nah nigga, image search korwin anime
how the fuck do you not know about this living meme? hoppean libertarian in the european parliament

>>131686855
*citation needed*

>>131686907
If your property was the amazonian rainforest and you wanted to cut it all down then yes, I think I'd be morally obliged to stop you with force.

If it was your own small property then no, the state should fuck off from our individual lives as much as possible.

>>131686884
It is true that individual property owners suing individual factories would be laborious and ridden with bureaucracy, which is why most landlords -- whether they be regular landlords, covenant contractors or company towns -- would have provisions for it on their contracts with their tenants. Polluted places are, as you imagine, undesirable places to live and would therefore have a "low demand" in the market of places to live.

>>131686884
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action

>>131677652
In violence everyone is the same. Someone whom wants less state would never accept a shit ton of power going to the state, so no.

>>131687133
Okay if you're asking me for citations on why socialism kills the planet as well as everything it touches you might be as retarded as the others using your flag. Read Democracy The God That Failed by Hoppe if you want to see the pattern between democracy and socialism, public property and pollution, state and degeneration of conduct. If you're not a fullblown AnCap by then you'll at least be able to call out a few of your buddies on some misconceptions about us.

>>131687317
Fascism doesn't need a state.
Enforced property rights are enough.
There are many different forms of fascism and many philosophical varieties of it.

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>>131687756
woke

>>131687756
Fuck you, now I want to read about it.

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>>131687839
Fighting against the image that others gave me, must feel like you dealing with left-libertarians.

fedora general

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>>131688051
Tell me about it man. It's nightmarish.

>>131687133
thats a high value property you're talking about. I must be extremely weathly to afford such a high income generating property. So wealthy that I must have the biggest defense force in the land to maintain it. This is MY rainforest. What are you gonna to about it?

What are you going to do if a goverment wants to cut down the rainforest? are you gonna stop it?

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>>131672689
>"""""libertarian""""" right

>>131688051
Argueing with natsocs is worse than argueing with left libs

>>131688382
That's right: you're the Joker baby!

>>131672689
The new Hoppewave is lit, senpai

>>131688435
I know, especially when they want to be super edgy and think they are going to redpill you on things you knew since years, because they are edgy.
Or the ones who think race is just DNA and want to shit out more babies to live on welfare.
Or the full blown socialists, who identify with the left wing of the nsdap.

>>131688316
Not to mention cutting down all the trees and leaving a barren landscape would drive down his property value. He'd be better off maintaining it as a wildlife refuge and perhaps selling hunting licences and tourist guides as means of paying for his investment. Destroying the land would be disadvantageous. But he's a socialist so you never know.

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>>131688849
of course my dude, I aint gonna cut down that rainforest, this shit is beautiful.

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>>131688817
>they want to be super edgy and think they are going to redpill you on things you knew since years
so true, and as you say, most of them are not ""far right"" they're actually socialists

>>131688817
>>131689248
I think debating left-ShitLibs are worse but nazis are pretty bad, the worst shit is when they assume NatSoc is the end all last level redipill and that everyone else is either ingnorant or too afraid to join the ranks of natsoc faggotry.

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>>131689722
These are the stages of redpill; NatSoc isn't even close to the end.

>>131689722
>NatSoc is the end all last level redipill and that everyone else is either ingnorant or too afraid to join the ranks of natsoc faggotry.
Yeah this is the worst and I am ashamed because I was also like this around 16-18.

Fun thing is back in the days common people agreed with me when I was citing the partyprogram but didn't mention where it came from.
Nowadays I just receive hate for criticizing the welfare state or the state in general.

>>131684752
Are there any differences between the cantons in Switzerland like there are states in the USA?

>>131690185
Someone should really replace Murray's picture in there. He belongs with Hoppe and the Mises folk, not Stage 2 faggotry.

>>131690356
This is so right. Replace Murray >>131690185

>>131690356
That's true; Hayek or Friedman, maybe?

>>131681472
what idiot made this?
>libertarianism does not equal (((open-borders)))
"open-borders" concers state borders, not private property borders
the state has no legal nor moral right to forbid entry to a person that has been invited to a private property and secured a transport there
>(((multiculturalism))) or univeral (((inclusivity)))
libertarianism is the only ideology that considers everyone to enjoy equal freedoms (so called negative freedoms) and equal opportunities for business, regardless of race or creed
>we must not tolerate egalitarianism
there can be private properties that can legally enforce egalitarianism as condition of entry
there can be private properties where residents voluntarily live in a marxist commune
you have no moral right to forbid them from doing that.
the author should read more Rothbard.

>>131690543
Friedman I'd say is more recognizable nowadays

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>>131690356
I volunteer, whos it gonna be?

>>131690541
I didn't make this image; I got it from another thread on /pol/ a while ago.

>>131690688
I made that image waaay back, I didn't took the time to replace Murray's picture. I'd say we go with Gary Johnson since he epitomises lite-libertarian faggotry.

>>131690663
Friedman, Nozick, Hayek, Paul, maybe even Ayn Rand.

>>131690899
It's hard to even think of Gary Johnson as libertarian; He also doesn't fit in as a stage of red-pill. Friedman at least is more redpilled than the generic conservative, while Gary Johnson can't be considered redpilled at all.

>>131690934
or like, Johnson, to slander the dude

>>131691300
>He also doesn't fit in as a stage of red-pill. Friedman at least is more redpilled than the generic conservative, while Gary Johnson can't be considered redpilled at all.
You are absolutely right. I agree we go with Friedman then. The father, that is. Patri and David are alright.

>>131690934
Ron Paul is red pilled belive me. He wrote those racist rants on Lew Rockwell years back and probably knew Rothbard in person since they were both in the LP. He has to keep his power level low, but he's against the Fed and against degenerates.

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>>131690607
>"open-borders" concers state borders, not private property borders.
I've written and read so much about this that it pains me to go through this with you.
If you want to end the state just say end the state. The way you left libertarians think it will not be harmfull to simply open the state borders as a standalone goal is beyond retarded, you are effectively opening property borders. The Equal Employment Opportunity act, as part of the civil rights act has made it illegal to discriminate in all commercial properties. Where I live these immigrants would have access to all public roads, schools hospitals and even my property, only ending at my home, but they are welcome all the way up to my doorstep. I can't defend myself because it is illegal to have such a weapon needed to fight the hordes that would enter the country it is quite literally forced integration of immigrants into private property without the owner's consent.

>The equal employment opportunity act:
https://www.eeoc.gov/employers/upload/poster_screen_reader_optimized.pdf
>Open Borders: A Libertarian Reappraisal | Lew Rockwell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5wZjdEl9F8
Nations by Consent Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/library/open-borders-are-assault-private-property

Open borders is funded by the same corporate entities that fund the socialists for open borders.

>>131691820
Yeah, you're right; I guess he has to hide his power level when he wants to appeal to the GOP voters.

LIBERTARIAN FASCISM. When does the revolution start.

>>131692001
Yeah, they did know each other.

From a WP article:

"Rothbard and Paul had known and worked with each other in the 1970s, when they came to know Rockwell. Rockwell would work closely with both men, serving as Paul’s congressional chief of staff until he left to found the Mises Institute with Rothbard.

Rockwell also was the editor of a series of printed newsletters for both men in the ensuing decades. Paul’s publications became famous during his Republican presidential campaigns. Their controversial nature is no surprise, given that Paul had coyly endorsed the paleolibertarian strategyshortly after it was devised.


Sold under various titles, the highly lucrative newsletters frequently stoked racial fears, similar to what Trump has been doing this year, though they went further — one even gave advice on using an unregistered gun to shoot “urban youth.” Another issue mocked black Americans by proposing alternative names for New York City such as “Zooville” and “Rapetown,” while urging black political demonstrators to hold their protests “at a food stamp bureau or a crack house.”

>>131690607
I'm not done with you.

Multiculturalism is often state enforced, (see the civil rights act) and where it does take place results in racial tension and violence. If you want to hang out with black, brown or yellow people that's fine, but it must not be enforced the way it is. People must be free to associate and segregate if we are to maintain a libertarian social order.

As for egalitarianism, it has no place in a movement centered on property rights. Egalitarianism seeks to destroy libertarianism as the most evil idea.

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>>131691820
This. Ron Paul played nice for the election, the dude is full blown redpilled.

>>131692156
we need public support, team up with fashies who arent staunchly anti-property.

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>>131692156
soon

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>>131692926
fucking nice ass flag.

>>131692762
hmm my friends are communalist, need to find some fashies I guess.

>>131692926
That fasce needs to be within the snek. Also what's that tattoo about?

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>>131693056
sadly it is not mine.
also i am >>131690260
lost my connection.

>>131693151
that is not mine saw it on fagbook and the guy was talking about he had the A for anarchy tatoo before.
But I liked the flag so I saved it.

>>131692926
One day our patience will run dry and then the communists will have their brazen, lying mouths stuffed once and for all!

>>131690260
Where are you now? You're into more into markets, but to what degree to you wish to enact fascism? You want some strong borders and a free market ethnostate or what? I guess what I'm trying to ask is what parts of each idea would you wish to use? Have you got an ideal covenant in mind?

>>131693439
anarchy is a great idea that embodies FREEDOM, but it needs to have a more strictly organized "military" part to support it, or the anarchy gets subverted by stronger organizations

>>131674892
There will be judges, but this case doesn't look good for you.

The judges will either be assigned depending on the private city the crime happens in, or, if in a plural law private city, judges will have a reputation system and your insurances (which will probably be used to having to resolve conflicts between each other's customers and have a few judges already in mind) will chose one according to the nature of the case and their expertise.

http://archive.is/JUTXy

This guy claims to be libertarian, but he doesn't even recognize the right to discriminate. How did the Libertarian Party fuck up so badly?

>>131676692
Age of consent will be decided in a decentralized way, by cultural values, mostly.

Most prosperous communities will most likely have an aoc ranging between 16-18, as most parents will want their children to be protected, so they will move to communities where they are protected, just like parents today wouldn't move to India slums if they care for their daughters, for example.

>>131694166
Sup Maltabro!

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>>131692156

I feel like anti-capitalist shills have been out in full force recently. I think it's more than the normal fascism, which I can tolerate.

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>>131693867
Ideal is the holy roman empire of the german nation, but due the lack of leaders, free markets are teh best solution because people will come back to old european ideals, which made europe strong in the first place.
Fascism on a spiritual way should lead people to live up to an ideal which lay the foundation to the throne onto which a true leader chisen by the heaven will descend, so the heaven (sun) can finally connect to the soil.
Ideals should be loyalty, authority, sacrifice for the survival of your family for example.
the will to fight if you have to.
something we call sozialer frieden, basically means, don't envy someone who has more, or think it is right to steal just because you have less.
Try to find a niche in your society where you can fit in.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggamEH4Fi3A
posted it before but it unintentionally describes what I understand as fascism.

>>131692156
I suggest going on That_Guy_T's channel and looking for libertarian fascism

>>131694518
Nothing much, shitposting a big before heading to bed, missed these threads, too much leftypol cancer lately.

>>131695262
This morning was one of the worst raids I've witnessed, if I had to read once more how I'm wrong about what Marx meant I would have killed myself.

>>131695274
seems pretty based tbqh, would live in such a covenant.

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>>131680969
Many here know that I'm going to a conference in Malta with Hoppe as star guest soon, only know one guy who is coming with me, the rest are unknown, mostly Swedes.

Tbqh I was surprised reading their forum and listening to the organizators, they are quite redpilled on Hoppean libertarianism and it's obviously the fastest growing branch of libertarianism at the moment. Posted a bit around and people seem to appreciate my posts quite a lot, haven't had anyone trying to debate me, just people agreeing.

Quite nice.

>>131696422
http://tomwoods.com/ep-935-is-europe-hopeless-for-liberty-not-so-fast/

An interview of Tom woods with one of the organizators.

>>131695488
This one? He discusses it but seems to have trouble believing in it. The idea to me is enacting Libertarian laws through authoritarian means. The problem libertarians have today is that they don't have a centralized propoganda arm. So their idealogy gets over-run and distorted by detractors with stronger meme magic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8

>>131696690we have meme magic of our own but it aint that strong

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>>131696422
Borrowed democracy the god that failed to a coworker so eh could read it when there was nothing to do, he was a classical liberal then, now he rants about how stupid our people are and that democracy is mob rule and socialistic.

>>131695517
The difficult thing is that there's a crooked way in which they're right.

>income inequality
Surely you want the rich jews to pay their fair share?
>yellen wants to raise interest rates
USURY.
>minimum wage
How is it fair that the greedy jews at the top earn so much more than the goyim?
>capitalism in general
It's how (((they))) got in power and it promotes dishonesty. Why would you trust (((Mises))) and (((Rothbard)))?

In each case, nothing about their proposed policies actually fix the problems.
In the real world, legislation almost always helps (((them.)))
You can't legislate yourself out from under your overlords.
If you are anti-capitalist, you'll only make your country poorer and less upwardly mobile.

>>131696690
were also building an ancap city

>>131697206
The eternal naivety of people who think giving tremendous power to an institution won't be controlled by those they despise and then used against them.

If these people were ever exposed to voting with their feet in an ancap scenario 99% would have to swallow their words and go to the place that embraces everything they hate.

They're too dumb to realize how wrong their ideas are until they are put in practice, and then once they're put in practice, and fail, they're too dumb to realize failure is inherent on the incentives they generate.

>>131697206
Yes, why should I hate on a jew who wants to abolish the system under which the tribe can force laws on you.
I a jew comes to wealth because he is honest and intelligent and will defend the town together against agressors why not,
but if they pull out some shit to betray people I am also ok if they get chased out of the town. like in the old days.

>>131697725
>They're too dumb to realize how wrong their ideas are until they are put in practice, and then once they're put in practice, and fail, they're too dumb to realize failure is inherent on the incentives they generate.
Typical german patriot: the state betrayed us as they opened the borders, we need more state power to prevent this.

>tfw not living on a private covenant centered on family-and-kin centered lifestyles

Ancapism = marxism for the bourgeoisie

>>131691949
>you left libertarians
nice strawman, i'll bet you don't even understand where right and left comes from
Bastiat sat on the left so i guess i'm proud to be called that, even if by mistake
>If you want to end the state just say end the state
okay: end the state! further existence of the state is immoral. ancap is the only valid solution.
>you are effectively opening property borders.
you are:
- literally putting words in my mouth that i explicitly disagreed with
- going from A to Z without even touching B through Y

let me reiterate my point in simpler terms, so you can understand: an owner of private property X invites a <person you disapprove of> to come and stay at X, paying for the transport and signing any agreements with owners of other private properties that the transport will travel through. this whole ordeal is none of your fucking business and none of the state's fucking business. if you are denying that, you are denying an owner the right to do with their property what they please. that is against libertarianism. that is the meaning of "open borders" in libertarian thought. the end.

>Equal Employment Opportunity
no one was even talking about this, jesus christ.

>>131692553
>Multiculturalism is often state enforced
of course it shouldn't be enforced by the state! the state shouldn't exist at all.

>People must be free to associate and segregate
agreed

>As for egalitarianism, it has no place in a movement centered on property rights.
wrong. any person has the right to any beliefs as long as NAP is not violated and the central axioms of private property and self-ownership are followed. simple as that. what right do you have to enforce what other can and cannot believe? that's fucking commie talk.

>>131699440
No it is absolute hierachy based on property rights.
If you see the bourgoisie just as the middel class they also form a part in the social hierachy and if you see it as a form of degenerate lifestyle, they would quickly die out, or have to change their lifestyle, becuase they can't leach of other people's money.

>>131699440
Are you implying that fascism isn't a breeding ground for bourgeois corporations and government bureaucrats?

>>131698109
It seems to me you've got two different types of jew here.

The Marx and Trotksy type are jealous that people are richer than them. They hate it that they're not the rich ones. They feel that wealth is a zero-sum game. They concern themselves with being wealthy relative to others.

The Mises and Rothbard type doesn't care about relative wealth, only about absolute wealth. The fact that someone is richer than you doesn't make you poorer. In fact, having people richer than you in a way makes you richer.

The latter is a very healthy avenue for their special genius because it lets everyone benefit from their genius.
Now I'm not even against anti-competitive practices, but I do think there's a sense in which an ethnic group consolidating power is a scary thing. A lot of that goes away when you take away the state though.

burger libertarian testing my germ flag while on internship here

For any FB retards
BCL (not the original) has a secret meme page that's basically a slow blue board /bant/ish page.

>>131700266
don't get raped tonight.

>>131699686
>this whole ordeal is none of your fucking business
Under a libertarian system no, but his example is clearly under a statist society with social programs. So pragmatically you'd want to eliminate those social programs before opening up the borders for everyone.

>Bastiat sat on the left
Outdated definition. Might as well call America's founders leftists if you're using it.

>>131700431
Well if someone invites someone in he misbehaves and damages my property or rapes my daughter it becomes my business and I would wish to get compensation from the one who invited it.

Minarchy > ancap.

>>131699686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOFuhXn36Ew

Whole video is required viewing. Especially at 11:25.
Even fascists will probably agree he's 100% our guy.

>>131700855
>Minarchy
I don't really care what we call it as long as i'm in charge. Kek

>>131700855
>thinking the state is immoral but still advocating for a state is better than thinking it's immoral and not advocating for a state.
No.

>>131701137

State is necessary evil, there's no alternative political structure with the necessary stability to protect citizens right. The state is and will always be only as moral as the people who enact and legitimize the state.

>>131701565
Nice assertion. Now prove it.

>>131701565
>no alternative political structure with the necessary stability to protect citizens right
What are contracts.

>>131701773
what are (((jews))) you mean? it's a principle duty of the state to protect against their corruption

>>131701888
What did he mean by this?
>not addressing the fact that contracts possess the necessary stability to protect people

Why not /libertarian left/?

>>131702199
contracts are great and all but they are only pieces of paper. You need a strong state to enforce them and keep people honest.

>>131702368
>contracts are great and all but they are only pieces of paper.
so is a constitution.

>>131702368
>You need a strong state to enforce them and keep people honest.
You do not. What books have you read?
>they are only pieces of paper
They are and you should take precautions to ensure they're enforced.

>>131702199
People on /pol/ have a strong tendency to change the subject to (((jews))) whenever they can't argue a point, since (((they))) are the only subject that these people are informed about.

>>131702760
without a strong state to appeal to, the entity with more power can and will screw over the other party. BUT MUH CONTRACT, doesn't hold any water when I can just bully you and say WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT. contracts are living documents, they only hold as much power as granted by the power structure they exist in.

>>131702992
Have you ever heard of an underwriter?
Have you ever heard of a performance bond?
Have you ever heard the word "escrow"?

>>131702940
I swear the shills must use this more than actual /pol/acks.

>>131703214
>underwriter
what if your underwriter's loyalties shift
>performance bond
ok, who enforces the bond?
>escrow
who do you trust with the escrow

without authority and trust flowing from a state its much more difficult to organize in a meaningful fashion

>>131703415
Probably, but there are definitely people that do this that aren't shills.

>>131703415
if i'm a shill i'd very much like to know who i am shilling for other than myself Kek

>>131703445
>what if your underwriter's loyalties shift
>ok, who enforces the bond?
Any number of things. You did make sure they had a second-order underwriter right? If you didn't, you could always go to arbitration.
>who do you trust with the escrow
Anybody who cares about his reputation. Local or foreign.

Please read Ethics of Liberty.

>>131703748
>>131703983
Yeah I'm just saying they're learning so keep your eyes peeled.

>>131703993
If I had to rely on a chain of underwriters to write every contract, i'd never get any business done. Much simpler to write a contract, and if you don't follow the terms of the contract, I use the power of the state to sue you. Just having the pressure from the potential state involvement alone is enough to ensure that the contract is enforced. I don't have to go begging to the Jews to underwrite my contract, because the State gives me independence and freedom. I can do business cleanly because the only loyalty I need is a state that enforces my liberties, and has my back in a contract dispute.

>>131704637
>I use the power of the state to sue you
No. You use private courts. If it can be proven that someone stole from you, then you have the right to expropriate damages, even hiring a repo man to expropriate for you.

What do you think of cryptocurrencies? How does a distributed system like that stay stable? I think you put too little stock in distributed systems. It will certainly be efficient. The underwriter helps you get the most business done fastest will profit the most. They'll have teams of agents working to make things go smoothly because that's the only way they make money.

You should read about this from the primary sources. Also read about natural law. It's not interesting for me to fix your reading deficit.

>>131705770
Lol. At this point in my life, the less I know the better. I'm plotting a virtual banking system thats going to make a lot of powerful enemies if it works. Best if I can play dumb Kek.

>>131706347
I dunno about that. (((They))) are great at playing dumb, so why shouldn't you?. You should definitely learn all you can about this stuff with a project like that.

Good luck in your endeavors anon.

>>131700431
we're not talking about statist society, the picture was about open borders in libertarianism. if you don't have anything to say then don't talk.
>>131700809
well then he's not staying at the property he was invited to, does he? since he's invading someone else's property he violates NAP. shoot him.

>>131702368
who makes sure that the strong state follows the law?
that's right: fucking no one.

>>131707221
>well then he's not staying at the property he was invited to, does he? since he's invading someone else's property he violates NAP. shoot him.
But the one who invited him should also be hold accountable for the misbehaviour of his guest,
otherwise he just could just invite another, criminal. without ever facing consequences, for using his property as an option to bring criminals near 3rd parties.
This way you would also assure that peopel only invite people they can trust.

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Be Good goys, fight your allies!

>>131706881
wtf i love papa johns now

>>131672689
I agree with most of these ideologies, except what stops big biz from becoming oppressive monopoly? What gives protection and holds accountability to environmental welfare and other "long term" issues that seem to come with big corps doing dirty shit.

How do we go about this in a way that you can still start a biz or do your thing and not get squashed, how do we go about this in a way we have an environment to rape for future generations?

>>131707221
>we're not talking about statist society
>compulsory opening by the central state, the state in charge of all streets and public land areas
Retard.

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What do you guys think about minarchism?

Isn't it fair to say that a nationalized police force that upholds the legal system is beneficial? I also think that national defense should be publicly funded, because it protects a country from foreign threats.

I think limited government services are better than complete anarchy. Can you try to convince me otherwise?

>Police
>Military
everything else should be privatized IMO

>>131672689
why is /lrg/ not up all the time
sometimes i just really need a place to go where people value freedom and the rest of /pol/ only cares about freedom in certain situations

I would read Hoppe first.

In from 8ch's liberty.

What the video "machinery of freedom" is proposing is what happened in ancient japan, rice farmers hired samurai to protect their businesses, and became rice empires, the judges they got became larger and more powerful rulers, and that whole mess led to the formation of japan as we know it today.

We need government to ensure that our government doesn't grow, this is why it is important that government exists to enforce the NAP, police and military and immigration are essential as the domain of a government.

I think the best idea is instead to remove the concepts of the blank slate, intellectual property, and democracy from our nations, without the blank slate, people will accept biological explanations for inequality, and stop asking for government to grow and "make it fair", without democracy, there would be no method for the lazy to affect public policy away from strictly enforcing the NAP, without intellectual property, the NAP cannot be used against itself to justify it's own violation, and large corporate lobby groups wont exist to grow the government with their influence, a flat tax to maintain the government will be all it would take, since there would be no other expenditures, and wages and opportunities would be so high, and private charities would do such a better job of caring for those who cannot work or pay for the tax (quadriplegics and retards, for example).

>>131675787
people deserve the right to be faggots. Libertarians are supposed to value freedom.

>>131688435
agreed

>>131710430
People also have the right to ostracize faggots; exclusion does not mean oppression.

>>131672689
>This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism.
What about if I hate the government and paying my taxes, but I don't respect property "rights", or any other phony notion of "rights" existing.
In a stateless society, if I want something and have both the will and force to take it, I will have it.

>>131711597
Then fuck you; go kill yourself.

>>131672689
fucking awesome meme

>>131712492
In time, you too will become my property, so to speak

>>131713598
I'd kill myself before I let that happen.

>>131711597

> If I want something and have both the will and force to take it, I will have it.

This is exactly what the state is fundamentally. So please kindly fuck off.

>>131710053

Because most people who think like us are busy living productive, fulfilling, happy lives. The political and internet presence of liberty-minded people is inherently going to be fairly weak, that is of course until things get so bad that they can't afford to stay out of the conversation.

>>131710808
>People also have the right to ostracize faggots
That's not nice

>>131715634
What does being nice have to do with freedom?

>>131715007
isn't that fine though, as long as its OUR state; not the degenerates with their bad ideas.

>>131716037

You're either a troll or mentally handicapped.

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why shouldn't i use the state to my advantage and secure a ruling position for my self-benefit?

>>131716296
fuck off normie

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>>131672689
Tax Land Not Man

(((Right wing))) idiots ruing libertarianism for everyone.

Go read some Nock shitlords

>>131716506
The state doesn't have a legitimate claim to the land.

>>131716385

Because the state is simply a cult, it holds humanity back.

If you don't care about humanity or don't think what you do in this life actually matters, then I suppose there is no reason not to do so.

>>131716698
who cares if its a cult as long as its a cult that shares our values. The state is the GAME we seek to change the rules of the game

>>131715007
But I'm not the state. The state is evil because it has a monopoly on force. Without the state to hold one back, one could figuratively and literally own the world, provided he doesn't establish a state, that is.

>>131716901

You don't get how cults work do you. Cults never accomplish their intended goals, they are self-corrupting entities.

You betray your values by attempting to fulfill them through belief in the state.

>>131717076
one person can't rule the world. they must rely on other people to get things done. there must be a system a government for admnistering liberties, aka a goddamn state. Some of you are so wrapped in the libertarian bubble, its like you hate the game, so you wish there was no game and you can do what you want. there will always be a game though, the only way to bring about the change you want is to design a better game

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>>131716698
>humanity

>>131717076

> Without the state to hold one back, one could figuratively and literally own the world

Not true.

https://mises.org/library/myth-natural-monopoly

I suppose Mises, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman are all degenerates because they supported open borders.

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>>131716688
but the old man who put a fence around it does? Get the fuck out of here. You faggots claim to be champions of property rights but none of you scum bags follow the implication to its logical conclusion.

Make a man king or owner of all the land it makes no difference as everyone would be indebted to him

Land is common property that every person has a right to. Now im not a commy scum bag and would never advocate the confiscation of land. What we need to do is, abolish allodial land ownership, and collect the full economic rent of land in the form of a land value tax.

>>131717196
i'm a muslim and I worship Kek. of course i'm fucking corrupt. Kekekeke

>>131716688
double checked
>>131717366
Putting a fence up is still more of a claim than a state saying "that's mine"

>>131717366
>I don't believe in private property, but I'm not a commie.
Nice try.

>>131717330
The state, like the "game," is but a specter or a ghost in the mind - it's all looney toons. The state is oppressive because it doesn't allow for the individual to rise to his full potential, because an individual at his peak doesn't need the state, he needs only his will and his method of force.

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>>131717637
No faggot you just have a very shallow understanding of property rights

read pic related

>>131717330

You are simply confusing the glorified cult behaviour that is the modern nation state for legitimate systems of law and governance.

It's central planning (playing god) vs. voluntary negotiation (spontaneous order)

>>131717709
what if my method of force... is a state. If it's good enough for Ceasar, Khan, Hitler, Obama, etc etc. Its good enough for me. Libertarians cry that the state is not under their control, therefore it is evil. Which is fine. But they need to imagine a world in which the state is under their control if they ever want to achieve power.

>>131717799
you're being shallow and pedantic
also, why do you keep calling everyone in this thread a "faggot"? Do you have some latent homosexual desires perhaps?

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>>131717522
so exactly how much "labor" is required for allodial ownership?

Should the first person to walk around an island own the entire thing or is a fence required? Did the first man to discover a forest have a right to all its game and resources?

law made property is nonsense and antithetical to the ideals of self ownership and liberty senpai

>>131717799
land-ownership is an extension of self-ownership: https://mises.org/blog/property-rights-and-human-rights
>If a man has the right to self-ownership, to the control of his life, then in the real world he must also have the right to sustain his life by grappling with and transforming resources; he must be able to own the ground and the resources on which he stands and which he must use. In short, to sustain his “human right”—or his property rights in his own person—he must also have the property right in the material world, in the objects which he produces.

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for the shitskins in the thread

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>>131718379
Ludwig von Mises acknowledged in several places wholly unique distinctions between land and capital, but in his zeal to denounce land value tax, stated that,

Classical economy erred when it assigned land a distinct place in its theoretical scheme. Land is, in its economic sense, a factor of production, and the laws determining the formation of the prices of land are the same that determine the formation of other forms of production.

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>>131718379
The difference between land and capital is huge, and explains why the cost of silicon chips goes down as demand goes up, while the cost of Silicon Valley goes up as demand goes up. There is no natural monopolization of capital, but, with state sanction, there is monopolization of land. But von Mises would sooner obscure these distinctions in socialist fashion than to embrace a proposal he mistakenly thought to be socialist.

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>>131718379
In his first edition of Human Action, von Mises attacked land value tax as based on the socialist principle that legitimate property flows only from labor. But that is also a libertarian principle, a classical liberal principle, an Austrian principle, and even the von Misean principle behind private property! So, by the third edition, von Mises changed his text to read that land taxers claim legitimate property flows only from manual labor.

This is much more logically consistent, but factually incorrect. It is a correct assessment of what many socialists believe, but it is not a correct assessment of what land taxers believe. Henry George, the most prominent land taxer of all, wrote in his magnum opus, Progress and Poverty,

Thus the term labor includes all human exertion in the production of wealth, and wages, being that part of the produce which goes to labor, includes all reward for such exertion. There is, therefore, in the political-economic sense of the term, no distinction as to the kind of labor, or as to whether its reward is received through an employer or not....
Perhaps von Mises was biased by his location in Europe, where classical liberalism had not fared as well as in America. He might also have first seen land value tax in the Communist Manifesto, and not realized that it was there as a socialist ploy to co-opt support from classical liberalism. (Marx expressed contempt for land value tax as a reform in its own right, and openly stated that his support of it was only to draw people to what he really wanted, which was to control capital.) If this is where von Mises got his first exposure to the idea, it would not be surprising to see him close his mind to it.

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>>131718379
if youre at all interested in the other parts of libertarianism check out this essay

http://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html

>>131690934
>Mabe even Ayn Rand
>Maybe even
>Ayn Rand
She is the greatest among them. Objectivism is not -a- philosophy but -the- philosophy.

>>131718337

>Should the first person to walk around an island own the entire thing or is a fence required? Did the first man to discover a forest have a right to all its game and resources?

Ok, 1. YOU CAN NOT MANAGE SCARCE RESOURCES UNDER A COMMONS. It simply CAN NOT be done. Land is a scarce resource.

2. To answer your question, an original appropriation of unowned land (of which there is very little left in the world, outside that of which is under the unjust claims of the state) must be justified by showing you have put that land to use or are in the process of doing so.

3. Anyone who asks basic bitch questions like "can a guy just walk around an island and declare it as his" is simply ignorant of the fundamentals of libertarian thought. To be asking such questions in the first place, you are simply proving yourself IGNORANT of the absolute fundamentals of the ideas you are fighting against

>>131715961
You need to treat people how you want to be treated.

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>>131719397
>>131719397
>2. To answer your question, an original appropriation of unowned land (of which there is very little left in the world, outside that of which is under the unjust claims of the state) must be justified by showing you have put that land to use or are in the process of doing so.

>put that land to use or are in the process of doing so.

>put that land to use

>>131718337
Have you never heard of the homesteading principle?

>>131719397
Land ownership should be assigned to the person who can make wisest use of that land. If some NASA scientists need a launchpad for their work, the commons must appropriate that land for their important work. Rights must be given to the most wise or progress cannot be made.

>>131719726

You asked about original appropriation (walking around an unowned island or forest and making a claim).

A vacant lot implies a piece of property that is temporarily between use-cases (unless it's abandoned, in which case it's free to be homesteaded by anyone). The so-called profit the sign refers to is completely just, as an owner of such property would have to contribute to maintenance of surrounding regardless. In a libertarian society this would be done through small scale contractual agreements on a neighbourhood level, rather than through large scale municipal taxation.

Vacant lots don't sit vacant for long if there is a use case for them, and if there isn't a use case then that implies there isn't much value anyway.

>>131719819

>Land ownership should be assigned to the person who can make wisest use of that land.

Central planning is absolutely ass-backwards retarded and can never be justified.

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>>131718908
That article wasn't written by Mises, but whatever:
How does any of what you said justify taxation of land or prove that land can't be property? You said that there's a difference between land and capital, and that's it.

New thread?

>>131720764
Having retarded people make decisions while the wise are oppressed is what's ass backwards

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>>131676692
13 or no age of consent.

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>>131672689
R8

>>131722220

The problem is that only a God could know who is truly wise and who isn't.

You and others like you are simply trying to play God, you are total control freaks. Life is not a game of Sim City.

>>131722724
Traitor. Only Kek knows who is truly wise.