Why do you defend capitalism if you are poor?

>>131656736
I don't know about -ims of any sort, which are all Jewish lies, but our current system, broken as it is, worked out pretty good for me when I was poor.

So I don't see fit to agitate for communism.

>>131656736
Because capitalist countries feed poor socialist countries.

The 1% are Jewish bankers. They need to be taken out.

I defend free market capitalism, something we haven't had my entire life

>>131656736
The image doesn't depict it right.
It's not that the 85 have just a big turkey dinner, they have a tremendous/obscene amount of wealth but the poorest really starve like in the picture.

>0 * 3,500,000,000 = 0
wew

Because I'm the slave owner now.

*cracks the whip*

Yup, that was a DMCA notice.

Want another one?

*cracks the whip again*

That was some military grade ransomware.

You scared yet?

>>131656736
why do you think we should care about a few billion starving Africans, Poos, Chanks, or South Americans?

I'm not starving, are you?

>>131658194
mfw you die
mfw you are reborn as a starving nigger
mfw karma

So starvation is endemic to the last few centuries?

ALL of the progress of civilization is built on the same foundations that empower capitalism. Communism is for the historically illiterate, the spiteful and the lazy.
>How come everything isn't perfect already!?!
This is not a compelling argument for changing horses midstream.

>>131658879

This. Don't ask why there is poverty. Poverty/Destitution is the natural state of man. Ask instead why there is wealth.

Class consciousness encourages people to replace useful ambition with demoralizing envy.

>>131659457
It is almost as if wealthy people pretend to be happy just to keep the system going.

How sad.

>>131656736
because the alternative is everyone is poor

>>131658593
the problem with feeding dependent populations is that youre not helping, youre just artificially inflating its size until you cant feed it anymore, creating an even larger catastrophe.

>>131660607
Which is why you teach a man to fish instead. A literal children's rhyme understands aiding Africa better than the current powers at be.

Poorest 3.5 billion """"""""""""""people"""""""""""""
Might as well count all other primeapes do boost that number too.

>>131658593
So should we globally redistribute wealth so that basically everybody is poor because shitskins can't stop having babies?

>>131656736
Least with capitalism there is the ability to get enough food and the ability to earn it. Unlike Communism where there is no supply to meet demand and no means to outperform others to survive. Capitalism is Darwinism. Communism is genocide.

>>131660607
I agree, the only way to effectively grow a 3rd world society is to manage to infiltrate disguised as an insider.

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>>131656736
Then why those 85 people support Democrat and liberal policies/candidates that would hurt them if Republicans are the ones that would line their pockets?

>>131660791
I'm pretty sure the problem with niggers in Africa isnt that they don't know how to obtain food, but that it's impossible to obtain food for their large and quickly growing populations.

>>131660391
The alternative is no longer having a system that concerns itself with wealth distribution but one designed on equal security.

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>>131656736
If you are at the bottom, the only way is up.

Where do you see problem?

Because I know that the reason I'm poor is my own fault.

I didnt finish college and I'm lazy so I got the easiest job I coukd find and do the bare minimum amount of work possible.

Its not capitalisms fault, or "the man" or HUHWITE MAYELLS...its my own doing. I put forth the minimum effort and got the minimum results back.

Those 3.5 billion are human waste

>>131661354
On an instinctual level are we programmed to physically feel satisfied from sex as to biologically ensure survival of a species than conscious required routines that ensure survival of one's self?

Sexual reproduction is auto-pilot vs the conscious decision to eat food?

I mean, damn, every time I open an empty fridge I think about sex but not enough to plague an entire continent!

Sheesh!

Because when my crypto invesments pay off I'm not going to want to give my riches to you proles

>>131656736
i'm not poor

Because capitalism makes a country like America's "poor" rich in comparison to other shitholes

>>131662148
Take a step back
Having to get a degree in the first place for a job that wont even use that degree is you being oppressed by the military industrial academia complex.

You are right in that that is not necessarily directly capitalisms fault. It is however indirectly capitalisms fault in this case.

>>131656736
Maybe its just capitalism is just a better system than all other tried economy based systems. The issue is corruption dealt by the Central bank and the US not having control of printing money. A private bank is in charge which demands to make more loans so the private bank makes more money and the citizens get poorer. The only time the US was debt free was when Andrew Jackson killed the 2nd round of European bankers trying to create a Central bank in the US, which cause a boom in the economy.

Which currently the only other forum of economy is what the National Socialist (Nazis) did, but that is a theory. And no Socialist or large population wants to do that.
Communism and Anarchy suck and can not last a long time
.
So wait for the development of cheaper than air energy and the ability to convert matter into anything. That is the only way to make a cashless society is to end scarcity forever. We're a long way from that technology.

>>131656736

Because taxation is extortion to fund bad ideas

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Because even though I'm poor, my freezer looks like this thanks to capitalism

>>131657343
The opposite is true. You literally invaded countries for this to be true.

>>131656736
How many of those 85 are Liberal?

So many of them say they'll give away their wealth, while they still get richer and their money is mainly investments.

Why is the rhetoric of capitalism only on a macro scale?

Whenever I'm out an about in the city and I see a lucky penny on the ground, I check rooftops for snipers.

>>131662605
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>>131662620
Such as?

>>131662620
name a country and I will reveal how socialists invaded there first

>>131656736
Because socialism is the reason I'm poor.

>>131656736
Why won't the EU erase third world debt?Oh right the west still needs continental sweatshops.

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>>131656736
because under capitalism I have the potential to become rich.

>>131662489
>get meme degree
>not usefully applied to non-meme job
>this is oppression

I am in the process of getting a meme degree and even I think this is bs

I'm going to intentionally leave this backdoor here and not tell anyone about it.

We'll call it a keyhole but with a strawcam and a convex lense, I can see everything on the other side.

This is just to make sure your working when I'm paying you and if I catch you slacking, you'll hear me knocking.

t. The Tax Man.

>>131656736
Because communism is a tumor

The poorest American is better off than 60% of the world. Capitalism eliminates poverty, socialism creates it.

>>131656736
Did those 85 people steal the money from the rest of the world?

>>131665946
Why steal it when you can just print it?

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Because it's individualistic. I mean yeah the poorest 3.5 billion wich is mostly pajeets Africans and east Asians excluding Japan. And a part of Latin America.

But people like to paint corporations and people who have business as evil like that exact picture, they risk their initial investment and could lose everything but they produce wealth.

Now we say we live in a capitalist society wich promote individualism but yet there's a bunch of social programs any capitalistic country you look at, welfare estate etc.

It's just the better system. That's it

>>131666194
The age old capitalistic question remains; can you make a profit without anyone getting the shit end of the stick?

>>131666411
Sure, why not? If I devote my labor to growing food where there is none or fixing a broken car or whatever, then everybody is better off.

Zero sum game thinking is entirely wrong.

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>>131656736
I drew for you to make it simples! see! :)

>>131666535
I guess it does depend on the right man for the right job, now you just gotta figure out a justifiable compensation model.

Because Venezuela, Soviet Union, China, and Cuba

>>131656736
It's my only chance of digging myself out.

>>131656736
Protip: If you have a house, a car, food every day and a job then you aren't poor.
Non-Europeans really lower the standards for what can be considered absolute poverty.

>retards STILL have not tired of posting this utterly retarded statistic

i am in the top 1% of the global population and i have negative wealth thanks to debt. a homeless man who finds a coin on the floor will have more wealth than i currently do

have i blown your mind OP?

>>131667181
As long as we have the government there to intervene into cartels and other things we regard to be illegal, the black market will always prevail anyway. Humans, being social animals, will always try to work out
>you do this for me
>i do this for you
when they're not more busy trying to enslave each other.

>>131656736
Because one day maybe I can be one of those 85 people. /s

>>131661354
No, the problem is they don't know how to grow food. There are large amounts of land suitable for farming in africa, enough to feed every person there, but they are depleted at insane rates, because Africans generally know nothing of crop rotations or fertilizer.

>>131656736
"Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."
-Napoleon
"Remove religion lol"
-Karl Marx

>>131657581
Yes.

>>131667684
Advocating for government regulating profit now are we?

Whew lad.

>>131656736

because under capitalism you can change your poor status, under socialism or communism you cant....unless you get lucky and marry into the political ruling class.

>>131668031
No, just for the idea that you can't have a free market without an enforcement arm. Go to a 3rd world country with a broken economy and a broken government but that isn't full mad max.

What will you find? You'll find dedicated market zones with private security and rules to keep it reasonably safe from crime because guess what. Humans need to engage in trade for mutual benefit in order to survive, and humans can't do that at the level of a modern civilization without a shared set of rules and a monopoly on force to enforce them well enough to make the system better than chaos.

>>131656736
Because my Jewish master said so

>>131663528
Same.

>>131668332
Government regulated capitalism is just a phase.

A big ol list of do's and don'ts.

I'm not saying that phase is a one shot deal, it can come back under the right guise of social action.

Ancap isn't an ideology, it isn't some God that magically grants you wishes for following his government.

Ancap is a state of existence, a reality, a channel that will never go away and will always be a minimal required human right necessity that every generation is born with and dies with.

>>131656736
Asshats ask why defend capitalism if I'm poor? Keep your hands off my hard earned money and reduce regulations. Watch me start a business. Then watch me climb up the social ladder.
I'll do it anyway, it's just going to take a lot longer and be a lot more difficult than it should be (thanks socialism).
People are throwing their cash at something, your job is to position yourself to catch it.

>>131657381
this

>>131656736
>Why do you defend capitalism
who said I did?
capitalism =/= free market
Capitalism is libertaranism in disguise, the free market doesn't nessecarily have to end up like that
If you have a trusty goverment who regulates corruption and people earning monopolies and exploiting folk because they have it, the free market works just fine
It's very corruptible though, much like democracy

>>131656736
I hate these anti wealth virtual signalling images like this. Want to know what else 80% of the millionaires in the US are first generation. Ergo they got off their ass and did something to make and keep making money.
Liberals have this ever lasting hate boner for the wealthy and try to force this stereotype that all wealthy people are Big Daddy Warbucks or some 80s cliche of the mean old white rich guy.
Most wealthy people don't live like they have the means.
It's just another way for liberals to divide.

>>131668691
I'm all for the minimum amount of government necessary. But if you're going to say phase one phase two or something then the onus is on you to propose a realistic phase two for what's supposed to be better than what we have now.

Otherwise it's about the same as an academic complaining that true communism hasn't been tried yet because he read a shelf of books on theory.

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The Jew thrives in both communism AND capitalism.

>>131661273
>muh republican v democrat
Both parties are Jew controlled.

>>131668772
Maybe not. But a perfectly free market is capitalism.

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>>131656736
Because poverty under capitalism is a lot better than poverty under communism.

>>131662620
> capitalists invade socialist countries for food
Dude how deluded are you the only instance of modern mass starvation was Ukraine under soviets.

>>131668937
Why in the fucking fuck would I use my rare candy on my backup pokemon?

Lol. Minimal government is a text-document, and at that point its not a government.

ITS A TEXT DOCUMENT.

>>131665946
Success isn't finite. That's the funny part about faggot who complain about someone else getting rich. As if by them having money you can't do the same. Which is bullshit.

>>131656736
Out of those 85, 79 are Jewish.

>>131669190
Well that's simply not true.

>>131660607
This. There is a big difference between providing aid for a country and actually helping a country. For example, local food retailers in developing countries would have no way to compete against an aid organisation giving food away for free. Food retailers then close down, meaning fewer local food suppliers. The citizens then become more dependent on aid organisations since there are fewer local food suppliers thus, perpetuating the poverty cycle.

You shouldn't just help people, you should help them help themselves.

>>131656736
I don't
Capitalism is a scam
Socialism and Fascism too

>>131669275
>79
You're being too naive, probably all are Jews, or the others are crypto Jews.

>>131669190
Chinese, Vietnamese, north Koreans, Venezuela....

While I'm copy protecting human rights maybe I should counter-sue companies for infringing on the freedom to consume?

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>>131657581

>IT'S NOT REAL CAPITALISM

>>131656736
People still can't completely shake off their globalist conditioning.

>keke that's right goy, the rich are just better than you, we deserve our ill-gotten money

>>131656736
"Capitalism" is not even a legitimate concept as it was only ever Mr Marx's strawman that he invented as a way to advance his "solution" of communism.

>>131656736
But that is true of pretty much everyone. 90% of American citizens have a wealth between $0 and -$1,000,000.

I have more wealth than the poorest 50% of Americans combined, because that wreath is probably negative half a trillion dollars and mine in positive.

>>131669227
In the current climate of political volatility and in an environment that, unlike most recorded history, we have the rules in text documents that a huge portion of people can actually read, then I would think this would be just the time to promote your great ideas rather than criticizing objectively good things like mass literacy and mass communication.

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>>131669915
>Thinking Marx didn't like free trade

>>131656736
>Why do you defend capitalism if you are poor?
Because capitalism has been the best way to elevate people out of poverty that we as a species have come up with.

>>131669987
In fact, even the poorest person in america would have more wealth than the poorest 50% combined.

i am a poor capitalist. i defend capitalism because i know capitalism gives me the potential to become wealthy one day, by my own merits (and maybe marrying up, let's be real).

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>>131656736
The rich thrive in all societies, the poor ONLY thrive under capitalism. Food is so abundant in the US that the government doesn't even measure starvation anymore. It's now "diversity" of food.

>>131670026
Just think what wonderful things could happen if the declaration of independence, hell even the constitution, were editable.

>>131656736
People are entitled to what they earn.

>>131656736
Capitalism lifted me out of poverty.

>>131669179
It is being acknowledged under capitalism, while under communism everyone is happy. Problems start to appear when reality is not seen as it is.

>>131669987
It's the appeal to emotion numbers game.
Like the every "(X) seconds (something bad) happens to (some oppressed group that isn't a white male)" bullshit they like to pull out of their ass.

Capitalism isn't bad, but it's not perfect. I do think some form of democratic socialism could work as well/possibly better, but that would have flaws to.

The sad fact is that there's no system that works because there's always going to be terrible greedy people who want to be as rich as possible, and hold people down in the process. This is more of a humanity issue than anything, but persecuting the ones doing harm is difficult when they have so much power.

I'd still be poor under communism

https://youtu.be/KAExa9P7hME

>>131670233
Like what?

Don't waste your breath if you're not going to say what edits to propose. I've proposed many amendments in these kinds of threads, many of which have been met with a relatively positive reception. Go for it.

>>131656736
Because in a capitalistic society I have the opportunity to become rich.
In a communist society I can only remain poor.

does nobody here remember that communism simply just doesnt work?

>>131667556
You just contradicted yourself you nigger.
You're not in the 1% if your debt is higher than your wealth.

>>131670333
It is possible to have normal government with the help of modern technology. Cryptography, social networking, mobile electronics can do wonders if used by professionals with passion for the job.

In the end - what is technology? It is pure consciousness, everything good humans have done.

>>131656736
Because capitalism brought more people out of poverty than any other system in human history

>>131670333
Capitalism is the only system that harnesses that greed and burns it as fuel to increase the wealth of all of mankind

>>131667181
>justifiable compensation model
How about the price you both agreed when you started working? Nigga's flying ancap and misses its basic principle. Jesus Christ is it summer or what?

>>131670538
You can become rich in socialist country too but it will be only possible through exploitation of either yourself or society at large through politics. You might not even realize that.

>>131656736
Because I deserve to be poor. What I don't defend is inheritance. Nobody deserves to get money just because their daddy or mommy had it.

>>131671612
Why don't they get to choose what happens to their wealth after they pass? I think peoples' last wishes regarding their possessions should be respected.

>>131671796
And besides unless you're an orphan you get free wealth beyond the imagination from your family for feeding you and housing you and bringing you up and everything else.

I bought my first car from my dad for literally $1. Should that have been outlawed as some kind of inheritance? It's just a dumb arbitrary rule to promote that rich people would just have a workaround for anyway.

>>131671612
I'm sorry your parents made shitty choices and you're envious

>>131671612
Sounds like you're jealous of people with wealth. I work so my kids can build off that hard work.
If you vote to steal my life's work, firstly fuck you, but second no one would ever get ahead.
You would have much less wealth creation and the whole ship starts to sink.
The govt wastes the money anyway.

>>131669864
Free Market Capitalism is a form of Capitalism.

>>131670435
You're asking an ancap for political advice?

Without paying first?

I guess your unquantifiable suffering is enough of a tax for a few minutes of my time.

USA Government Suggestion: #33
- Make taxes optional.

>>131671579
Put a number on quality time.

Go ahead, do it. I dare ya.

>>131662605
That would be a classic picture, a freezer like that inside a mud and straw hut/no electricity

>>131671612
>>131671796
I think that inheritance is a good way of redistribution of wealth between generations. It should not be taxpayers burden or concern.

>>131672545
Taxes are already optional. Seems to me so far I wouldn't get my money's worth paying for your advice.

>>131672664
Taxes are optional and you're still suffering?

Guess my advice is worthless.

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>>131656736
Would you rather be poor in a capitalist country or poor in a communist country?

>inb4 commie faggots skip this question because they dont like the obvious answer

>>131656736
Capitalism teaches the have-nots that they are simply could-haves, and that poverty is a lie because anyone can be great. Americans have been conditioned to resent the offer of help as it implies that one is weak and incapable of attaining the american dream on their own.

Free healthcare? That's commie shit I can provide for myself.
Welfare for the impoverished? More like a handout.
Free college? If you really want school for free go be a soldier like a real american.

>>131672832
Still suffering? Who said I was suffering? I have money left over that I give away to things I think are worth helping out.

>>131660791

>Empire of Dust

You think they can be helped???

>>131656736
>implying the poorest 3.5 billion know or give a shit about paper money

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>>131656736
Before making such an outlandish claim, you need to walk me through your data and your assumptions.
What exchange rate was applied? At what date? How do you work out how much money the poorest 3.5bn people have? Where is your source for the money owned by the wealthiest 85 people? You might have an idea what assets they own by looking at Forbes or company balance sheets, but this gives absolutely no indication to how much money they have in the bank at any one time. Do you consider short term commercial papers as "money"? That would be wrong, money should only consist of cash at hand and short term deposits.
Seriously though, are you fucking retarded OP? You just read this one-sentence crap and accept that as truth, then base your actions, ideology and political views on that?

Seriously, go fuck yourself you little shit.

>>131673196
Then you'd be ok with a higher tax rate?

... and who decides these tax rates anyway?

Don't tell me it's an automated complex ai algorithm that spits out a single variable after computing the entire history of every transaction of billions of users.

>>131673579
No. Even though taxes aren't killing me personally, they're still way too high, and I advocate for the categorical elimination of the income tax entirely, since it's long been proven that it does not go to pay for anything that the government does.

And I give that advice to you and all the internet for free.

>>131656736
There's nothing better for the poor than capitalism where you can simply get a job and work your way up by saving money and not committing crime.

>>131673749
The moral integrity you derive from your rule book is not a government.

You'd end up with exactly what we have today with or without a "government".

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>20lb bag of potatoes for $2.39
>eaten nothing but potatoes for the past six days

I aint even that poor, nigga

>>131656736

Equality. Liberals love to throw this out the window when it's convenient like taxes in the name of "why won't you vote your SELF INTERESTS?".

>>131674293

How did you eat them? Fried, mashed, boiled or all of the above?

>>131656736
There wouldn't be 3.5 billion if they would just stop reproducing like rabbits.
>be poor nigger/pajeet/gook
>barely surviving
>no money for food
>have 15 kids because muh dick

>>131673983
Yes it is the government. Our system of government is designed around the concept that most people will do mostly the right thing most of the time, while acknowledging the need for an agreed-upon system for dealing with people who violate the social assumptions to an extent that contravenes the written law.

If everybody were a sociopath, this system would not work, and it would require that the government be something on par with totalitarian communist regimes in order to survive.

But you never want to argue in favor of something; only against things. This suggests to me a Lucifarian mentality incompatible with what we casually call "capitalism."

>>131674486
I'm also in favor of skynet cooking my breakfast with proprietary GMO's before asking for a password to leave my own home.

Nice try godifying capitalism, good luck with Africa.

>>131658194
What does that have to do with Communism? You think Stalin would have cared about starving Africans? He literally sent entire ethnic groups to Siberia for less than what many minorities in America do everyday. Under communism we could also easily justify relocating blacks, which the Communist party of America used to advocate for, they just called it self-determination.

>>131674465
microwaved or baked, plain. Eating one now as a matter of fact.

>>131673877
all well and good until the wealthy realise that all they have to do to keep the wages of the general population stagnant is to import foreigners indefinitely and pocket the profits.

>>131674956
Capitalism is not predicate for any of that. It would happen (and is happening) under any system. What force would you rally to put a stop to it?

>>131675012
Try frying or grilling. Browning them up is tasty as fuck.

>>131675228
Actually, I bake them till they're done, mash them a little and then broil them. They brown up really well.

>>131675058
I'm being serious when I say, "Good luck. with. AFRICA."

Your time is up.

>>131656736
the 3.5 bil poor people would be 7 billion poor people without capitalism raising the standard of living every single place it goes.

>>131656736
>Why do you defend capitalism if you are poor?

No other method of resource allocation has lifted more people out of poverty than Capitalism.

680 million Chinese were lifted out of poverty since 1980 alone.

Do you have a better alternative?

>>131656736
It's the only system that has worked in human history. Communism and its derivative philosophies have failed every single time.

Damn can't wait til MSM catches wind that the world is being spied on by a small decentralized group of ancaps and not the NSA.

>my ancestors worked hard to put my grandparents through education, who worked even harder to put my dad through better education which allowed me to go to a good university
>i get rich because i am smart and worked hard
>some dumbfuck had a kid and lives off welfare
>gee why is capitalism so bad why can't we all just be communists?
end your life

>>131664955
That's due to social safety nets though.

>>131676196
American capitalism is like a dog playing fetch by itself with a throwbot.

Ancap is a throwbot playing catch with a dog.

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>>131656736
it's not about wealth, it's about a hierarchy, if you remove capitalists inequalities you will notice males competing in different areas - usually more pirmal - healthier one is higher, more primitive rules.
Lefitst males are losers who learned they are too shit to compete and are trying to use external forces to act instead of them to have more access to quality vagina, but since they are stupid, they can't comprehend that at big state socialistic society they will still be outperformed, in this scenario by political and administration tops whose power they wanted to use.