Under what circumstances could Hitler have won the war?

>>131656631
germans develop atomic bomb first

>>131656631
Alt History. Woodrow Wilson is obsessed with Germanics instead of Anglos. WW1 is a German victory and Hitler rises to power as a war hero.

If Hitler managed to stay neutral/ not attack Russia until Britain was conquered

Britain was getting cucked by German airforce and cities got destroyed without ever stepping foot into Britain , if it was all dealt with and the opportunity for a flank was not realistic it would have been an easy win for mein fuhrer

>>131656631
Dont invade Russian

>>131656631
They were never meant to win the war. The result of world war 2 was exactly as planned.

Send agents to prevent jewish subversion in England, ally with US and anglos, smash Russia.

>>131656631
>>/his/

>>131657654
>>131657848
if hitler didnt invade russia first he would be attacked by stalin and the war would finish way faster

>>131656631
Under no circumstances.

>>131658762
>>>/his/

>>131657654
>>131657848
Russia was going to invade Germany in literally just 3 weeks. Hitler had no choice.

>>131658763
>he would be attacked by stalin
stalin didn't wanna attack hitler

>>131656631
dont waste resources on the holocaust
>inb4 the holocaust didn't happen

>>131656631
Finish off britain before attacking russia. Literally all he had to do, but he got impatient.

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His one shot at securing the Western front.
>Should have met in secret with Mosley's BUF & anti-Treaty Irish
>Should have agreed upon a plan where BUF's coup take all of Britain (*Scotland, England, Wales, and all of it's outlying islands.*) and Ireland gets all of it's counties.
>Funds both insurrections before the Brits move across the channel
>The bombardment of Britain could be justified as suppourt for the BUF
>BUF can justify it's anti-Chruchill insurrection by saying that Churchill is making Britain suffer.
Meanwhile in Irelend
>Anti-Treaty Rebels are outfitted with wehrmact looking uniforms that have Irish symbolism on them instead
>Both nation's insurrections outfitted with both locally made and German weapons
The Soviets wouldn't want to fuck with a Reich with all of Europe except for Russia behind him. Let's not forget he had suppourt all over Europe, especially from nations on the Eastern Front. Securing the Western Front was something that should have been done early on.

>>131656631

not attacking the soviet union would have been a nice start

>>131658966
the 6 million gassed didnt stupid

>>131658763
In a defensive war with good infrastructure, short supply lines and milder winter Germany would have cucked Russia

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>>131656631

He had very little chances. Maybe trying to lure the slavics, but the Anglos knew that in any case Russia would balance German influence.

As the Japanese attack, the core strategy was well planned in advance by the Anglos.

>>131658791
Sauce?

In addition, not even the Americans would have wanted to fuck with the Reich after this, especially since those two successes in Britain and Ireland would have just proved Charles Lindbergh's point later on when Japan attacks them. They should have just stuck to fighting Japs. Plus with the kike bankers losing power in Britain, they'd probably get quite nervous in America too, especially since people had been naming the jew long before the war even started. It's why they needed to run a serious PR campaign and media attacks on the Reich.

>When do ringers win their matches?
Uh, OP?

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If for some reason the USA didn't get involved. However, I'm not sure how that wopuld work. Even if the nips didn't attack Pearl Harbor, the kikes would have probably just cooked up some other reason to get us involved directly. Even then, you would probably have to keep the USA from giving gorillions of supplies to the commies and brits, too.

>>131656631
>Implying he didn't win

Hitler was a retarded idiot, he took the war super personal

>>131656631

America siding with them against the Anglos and the Bolschewist.

What a glorious time we would life right now. A world in order.

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>>131656631

>1. Find out who the resistance movement is sooner and execute them.
The book "Hitlers Revolution" by Tedor goes a bit into details here. High ranking resistance members fucked up shit everywhere, attack plans known by Brits and Soviets, Supply trains rerouted, stopped or useless shit send to the frontline/stalingrad (magazines and condoms wtf). Spain would have joined the axis side (confirmed by the then Spanish foreign minister), Normandy invasion was known beforehand but info suppressed and troops send away from France. Information never reached Hitler and Hitlers orders sometimes never reached the frontline. Falsified maps so that the Wehrmacht had to take a detour or gets ambushed from terrain thought to be unpassable.

>2. Go "Total war" from the beginning
They went total war in 1943, way too late. Before that, they half assed their industry and kept the people happy back home. They should have said "here we go full retard" after France was done and manufacturing plans changed. With the additional resources available, invasion of Russia would have been made possible 3 months earlier with ease.

>3. Trash "V2" programm
The used resources should be put into submarines and planes. Then, enough submarines would have been available to take Britain out of the war because the Island would have been bled dry of resources. Germany nearly succeded with that in WW1 and also made big problems for Britain in WW2. The additional planes greatly help against the USSR.

>4. Joint operation with Italy and Japan against the USSR
All 3 attack the USSR at the same time, Japan from the east and Japanese ships keep Lend Lease from Alaska away. USSR is done in the first 5-6 months if points 1-3 are also done.

>5. Better propaganda for the east
Make anti communist propaganda in the eastern countries so that more people join the fight against the USSR.

More in pic related.

>>131656631
That Russia didn't exist.

>>131656631

Not possible, not enough ressources even if he had defeated Russia or GB, the US supplied all of them and still managed to mass produce so many tanks and planes to steamroll NatSoc Germany

>>131656631
>>>131658763
>>he would be attacked by stalin
>stalin didn't wanna attack hitler
Bullshit kike stalin was a dirty war-monger

>>131658966
It didn't cuck

>>131656631
Jews not being slimy as shit and having capitalist and communist countries team up to destroy the only threat to the international jew.

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>>131658763
Stalin didn't defeat Hitler, Russia did, because it's too damn huge and cold. If Stalin had surrendered that advantage to march into Germany the Red Army would've gotten clobbered.

>>131656631
teaming up with poles

Peace treaty with Britain after the fall of France. The British empire could then sell oil to Japan and there would be no Pearl Harbor as a result. Most of China would have become Japanese territory and the Soviet Union would have been destroyed ending communism much earlier. Israel would have been created instead of the holocaust. The rest of the mid east remains under British control with the former French and west European territories there and in Africa being given to Italy or Germany and their Asian territory to Japan.

>>131656631
if he gave rommel his divisions and gas he needed to take north africa.

or if he would have invaded north africa
instead of russia the nap (molotov ribbetrop agreement) with the soviets would ensure little aggresion between the two and as such free division that would be used for barbossa to atack north africa the two would need to be on friendly terms.

if he could cut of egypt and take algeria and most of north africa he would have crippled the british oil production as egypt was an inportant port and ensure the reich had all the oil it would need this would also mean that malta would be cut of from british support.

if he then planned to invade the middle east he could flank the caucosus oil field by turkey the problem is that the soviets would have taken notice and turkey would not just let them run trough.

he should have also cut all ties with the japanese as the would do pearl harbor and drag the us in the war.

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If the alliance between Mexico and Germany had been successful.

>>131662610
>If the alliance between Mexico and Germany had been successful.


that was ww1 not ww2.

>>131662732
Oh whoops lel
Just imagine how that would have affected WW2 though.

>>131662098
>Peace treaty with Britain after the fall of France.

>Hitler should have just tried what he actually tried

Have you not read anything about that by now? Hitler tried to get peace with Britain several times, even dropping leaflets over London. After some time at the end of 1940 or so, Churchill gave orders to all diplomats to no longer talk with German diplomats or anything German related so that literally nobody will be able to find out about Hitlers desires for peace.

At one point, Hitler even offered to literally go back to the old border, i.e. give France back, give Poland back, give Denmark and Norway back... didn't work.

>In 1940, Churchill at last became Prime Minister, ironically enough when the Chamberlain
government resigned because of the Norwegian asco which Churchill, more than
anyone else, had helped to bring about. As he had fought against a negotiated peace after
the fall of Poland, so he continued to resist any suggestion of negotiations with Hitler.
Many of the relevant documents are still sealed after all these years but it is clear
that a strong peace party existed in the country and the government. It included Lloyd
George in the House of Commons, and Halifax, the Foreign Secretary, in the Cabinet.
Even after the fall of France, Churchill rejected Hitler's renewed peace overtures. This,
more than anything else, is supposed to be the foundation of his greatness. The British
historian John Charmley raised a storm of outraged protest when he suggested that a
negotiated peace in 1940 might have been to the advantage of Britain and Europe. A Yale
historian, writing in the New York Times Book Review, referred to Charmley's thesis as
morally sickening. Yet Charmley's scholarly and detailed work makes the crucial point
that Churchill's adamant refusal even to listen to peace terms in 1940 doomed what
he claimed was dearest to him the Empire and a Britain that was non-socialist and
independent in world aairs.

>>131662892
A lot of dead pesos m8

>>131658791
This is true. Had the reich not invaded the ussr the whole or Europe would have fallen to the Reds.

>>131658845
confirmed for never reading a single fucking book on the topic. Fucking dumbass

>>131663010
>At one point, Hitler even offered to literally go back to the old border, i.e. give France back, give Poland back, give Denmark and Norway back... didn't work.


do you have a citation for that?

>>131663010

Irving pointed out that Churchill rejected Hitler's peace oers in 1939, 1940, and 1941.
(Irving supports the thesis that Rudolf Hess's ight to Scotland was ordered by the
Führer). Irving pinpointed one critical moment, and supplied the background:
The crucial moment when he managed to kill this peace oensive in England was
July 1940. If we look at the one date, July the 20th, this I think was something of a
watershed between the old era of peace, the greatness of the British Empire and the new
era, the new era of nuclear deterrent and the holocaust, the nuclear holocaust. July 20,
1940: Mr. Churchill is lying in bed that Sunday out in Chequers, when he gets a strange
message. It's an intercept of a German ambassador's telegram in Washington to Berlin.
It's only just been revealed, of course, that we were reading all of the German codes
not only the German Army, Air Force and Navy Codes, but also the German embassy
codes. And if you're silly enough to believe everything that's written in the ocial history
of British Intelligence, you will understand that the only reason that they released half
of the stories is to prevent us from trying to nd out the other half. And what matters
is that we are reading the German diplomatic codes as well. On July 20th, the German
ambassador in Washington sent a message to Berlin saying that the British ambassador
in Washington had asked him very quietly, very condentially, just what the German
peace terms were. This, of course, was the one thing that Churchill could never allow to
happen, that the British nd out what Hitler's peace terms are.

>>131656631
Another one of these threads. He would have won the war on any number of occasions but everything went wrong at every phase after 1941

>>131663191

He sends an immediate
message to the foreign oce, to Lord Halifax, saying, Your ambassador in Washington
is strictly forbidden to have any further contacts with the German ambassador, even indirectly. They were communicating through a Quaker intermediary.
Now, on the same day, Churchill sent a telegram to Washington ordering Lord Lothian,
the British ambassador in Washington, to have nothing to do with the German ambassador.
And the same day, he takes a third move to ensure that the peace moves in Britain
are nally strangled at birth. He orders Sir Charles Portal to visit him at Chequers, the
country residence of British prime ministers. Sir Charles Portal was Commander in Chief
of Bomber Command. Now what is the signicance? Well, the signicance is this. Up
to July 1940, not one single German bomb has fallen on British towns. Hitler had given
orders that no British towns are to be bombed and, above all, bombing of London is
completely forbidden and embargoed. Churchill knows this, because he's reading the
German code. He's reading the German Air Force signals, which I can now read in the
German les. Churchill is reading the signals, and he knows that Hitler is not doing him
the favor.

>>131663142
I know it's from one of David Irvings books or talks. Me being an idiot, I have not noted where exactly it's from. When I find the exact text again, I'll find the source.

>>131663082
ironically had hitler waited 2 more weeks to invade poland the soviets would have invaded poland first and france and britain might have declared war on them and the natsocs would get a slap on the wrist like the soviets did in our time.

but i doubt it stalin played hitler like a fiddle he knew.

>>131663344

Hitler is still hoping that this madman in England will see reason or that he will be
outvoted by his cabinet colleagues. So he's not doing Churchill the favor of bombing any
English towns. Churchill is frantic because he thinks he's being outsmarted by Hitler.
On July the 20th he sends for Sir Charles Portal, the Chief of Bomber Command, and he
says to Sir Charles Portal, as we know from records from Command to the Air Ministry,
When is the earliest that you could launch a vicious air attack on Berlin¾' Sir Charles
Portal replies to Winston, I'm afraid we can't do it now, not until September because
the nights aren't long enough to y from England to Berlin and back in the hours of
darkness. September, perhaps, and in September we will have the rst hundred of the
new Sterling bombers ... But he also says, I warn you, if you do that, the Germans will
retaliate. At present they're not bombing English targets, they're not bombing civilian
targets at all and you know why. And if you bomb Berlin, then Hitler will retaliate against
English civilian targets. And Churchill just twinkles when he gets this reply, because he
knows what he wants.

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>>131663023
:^(

>>131656631
None , my grandad was hard as fuck !

>>131660672
What was the point of attacking USA? USA cut off their oil from going to Japan I just dont see how attacking them would make anything better.

>>131656631

By crippling the Royal and British/Commonwealth merchant navy

if he took those out, the war was as good as won

>>131663486
had japan not attacked and invaded china the us would not have cut of their oil supply and frozen their bank shares.

>>131656631 Shouldnt have gone to Africa

>>131663625
>By crippling the Royal and British/Commonwealth merchant navy

britian was under a constant supply line by the us i forgot the name but the made an agreement with the us and the soviets that any nation who would defend the us would get gibs.

>>131659086
Because russia was about to invade poland. Wtf.

>>131663656

This was only relevant when the European theater started and Japan being allied with Germany. Japan invaded in 1932 after all and shit all happened until 1940.

>>131656631
By not starting the war to begin with, and taking care of Germany like he promised, rather than become a globalist shill, telling everyone else wtf to be.
Or by pulling in his Panzer divisions, to actually defend Germany, rather than make the same mistakes the Romans did, by overreaching their martial abilities, as well as their over inflated sense of right to tell everyone else wtf they were gonna be.
For that matter, imagine if he he had just expelled the Jews, not started the war, and concentrated on playing an economic/propaganda war.
Victory. Germany would have won the culture war then...that's wtf counts.
Cannot believe more of you don't see it.

>>131656631

Give more submarines to Doentiz and not build stupid shit like the Schwerer Gustav

>>131656631
With a stronger Japan and an elite italian force
I bet that Stalin was thinking about destroy Germany after the war

>>131663818
the natsocs and the soviets had a non agresion pact deal the molotov ribbetrop agreement that the would both invade poland russia invaded just 2 weeks later and got half of poland.

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>>131663896
>rather than become a globalist shill

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>>131656631
Literally who??

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>>131656631
>Under what circumstances could Hitler have won the war?

If he did what (((they))) said he did then I would say it was a win.

The real question is what can we do to help finish the job?

>>131663010
I know that and was just painting the best scenario and the only victory scenario I can see. The Brits weren't about to make peace knowing they had their navy to protect their island and American leadership backing them with material resources and wanting to do more. Pride comes before the fall. That fall might have been postponed but it looks increasing likely for everyone involved.

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If he had
>Told Memesolini to not invade the Balkans prematurely
>Attempted to reach moscow before december 1941
>Convinced Japan to apply pressure in Vladivostok so that Stalin could not divert the Siberian Armies to the West

>>131663957
>Schwerer Gustav

even if the natsocs did not waste money on stupid shit like the v2 program and jet planes the still would have lost oil was running low and supply's where shrinking as soon as the got to stalingrad.

the should have focused all their power on sucuring north africa instead of barbosa and getting the middle east and their oil witch would give an opportunity to attack the caucasus oil fields and cripple russia on a later date.

>>131663140
Russia was still a backwater basket case
The German invasion united the Russians under Stalin

>>131663896
>Cannot believe more of you don't see it.

We don't see it because you are a fucking retard. Not starting the war was not an option. Poland was egged on by Britain and Britain was egged on by the US. And once the USSR military was big enough, a state in central europe with barely any natural resources doesn't stand a change.

Germany never was able to play "the long game" due to the lack of resources. At a certain point the other countries would have just started a trade blockade and bled Germany dry until a civil war removes the Nazi regime. Your scenario is completely unrealistic, how do you want to keep peace then the only country around that that doesn't want your shit is Switzerland and Belgium/Denmark.

Poland had deals with France and Britain and wanted war, Czecheslovakia made deals with France, got planes from the USSR and the USSR already build airfields on Czech clay. Austria was basically an anti-German dictatorship somewhat forced by France. France and Britain always butthurt about Germanys economic strenghts etc

>>131656631
Kill all the anglos at dunkirk.

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It largley depends on the Italian invasion of Greece, because it set back Operation Barbarossa back by 3 weeks(not100%sureplsnobully) because that way, Moscow would fall before the freeze wave that hit, hitting a huge morale drop for the red army.

>>131658763
>>131658791
The Red Army was completely incapable of launching on offensive war against Germany around the time of Barbarossa, they lacked proper communications equipment, the troops had little to no experience, and their technology and weaponry were outdated. Modernization of the Red Army would have taken a couple years at the quickest, which would have led to a Russian invasion probably around 1943. Hitler made the right move to invade Russia, but it probably would have been better if he invaded a month or so earlier. 15 May 1941 was the intended day, I believe, but this had to be pushed forward due to a British-coup in Yugoslavia, forcing Germany to invade.

>>131663656
Also came to mind Japan had to be imperialistic because they're a small island with few resources if any. At least what I heard so I could be wrong.

If he kept England out of it thus keeping the US out of it and convinced Japan not to bomb Pearl Harbor.

Without US support (endless arms vehicles and other goods) the USSR would have got its ass handed to them.

>>131664332

Peace with Britain, War with the USSR?
How important was the Western Front for the war eort? Some considerations:
Well over half the Luftwae was engaged in the west from 1942-5, and 75% of German
aircraft casualties were against the western Allies. Each U-boat cost 5,000,000 Marks
to build. The Germans built over 1,000. A Panther tank cost 117,000 Marks, That
means about 40,000 tanks were not built so that the Germans could wage the War of
the Atlantic. Think 40,000 panthers might have made a dierence against an unallied Russia in the East?
Each V2 rocket cost, in labor and material, the same as 3.5 ghter planes. The Germans launched over 3,000 V2's, the equivalent of 10500 ghter planes which could have been used in the east. The British and Americans deployed over 20,000 heavy bombers against the Germans, causing great destruction. What would have happened if Rommel's Africa Corps and the 30+ German divisions in France would have been in the don bend in fall 1942 protecting Stalingrad instead of waiting for British and American divisions to land? What would have happened if the 400,000 troops stationed in Norway could have helped Army Group North capture Leningrad? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the divisions ghting in Italy and the Balkans could have been freed to ght against the Russians in the south? I think it becomes apparent
just how important keeping the Western Front alive was for the Allies.

>>131656631
Not be an ADHD autist and trick the Soviets into invading Poland first.

>>131664575
us would have sent lend lease goods anyway

>>131664402
>The German invasion united the Russians under Stalin


whe the natsocs originaly invaded the russian annexed country's like ukraine the saw them as saviors the only united under the soviet cuase after hitler started killing alot of them.

hitler shot himself in the foot with his eugenics policies he could have used them as cannon fadder and extermanated them on a later date.

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>>131656631
If america didn't get involved

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>>131656631
He shouldn't have invaded France, UK and all of Poland.

>>131664731
they shouldnt have declared war on germany then

>>131657227
I don't think so, a big reason why Hitler shot to mass popularity was because of the horrendous state of Germany following the treaty of Versailles.

>>131657114
even if the nazis had developed the atomic bomb in 1939, they still would've lacked the means of delivery

they would also lack resources to produce them as uranium was even harder to acquire back then. I don't even think there are any major sources of uranium in europe. Enriching uranium is also a very costly process that would've required resources to be diverted from somewhere. Producing any actual nukes would've been a slow process. Keep in mind that even the untouched american industry could only produce two nukes to the pacific theater.

we also need to consider the effectiveness against russian targets. Russian cities are traditionally decentralised. Russians build on the width, not the height. Means of delivery is a issue here as well, as the russians would just relocate their factories out of german bomber range. We also need to consider the fact that bombing an enemy isn't enough to conquer. Germany would still need to send troops deep into Russia. The long supply lines would be vulnerable to attacks.

Note that not even the allied forces with nuclear weapons expected to win against the russians at the end of ww2 in europe. See "Operation Unthinkable".

>>131663787
>britian was under a constant supply line by the us

That is true though most of the shipping was done by British/Commonwealth Merchant ships, USA didn't have the capacity Britain had in the early war years, British/Commonwealth merchant shipping alone accounted for over 2/3rds of the entire worlds shipping globally to and from North America, Russia, Europe, Africa, India, Asia, Australia etc.

If Germany would have crippled the British/Commonwealth merchant shipping then the supply lines would have broken down and the war would have been lost for the allies, and that's why the battle of the Atlantic and Enigma were so crucial to victory.

>>131658966
I understand that normal fags are always going to be here, but can you just stick to lurking for a while longer.
>>131656631
If he hadn't gone into Russia during a winter he might have had a chance to win against russia, and thus the war
If he had not been a total dumass and did what his advisers told him and put panzers on the beach then Dday would have not been a success, because several top generals and advisers wanted to secure the beach, however Hitler didn't think it was necessary. Don't get me wrong he was a great man and the only thing he did that was wrong was ignoring his advisers.

>>131664629
the thing is the needed to knock britain out of the war as soon as possible invading and knocking out the british ports in north africa would have done alot to cripple them.

hitler and stalen should have kept on friendly terms.

>>131664472
>The Red Army was completely incapable of launching on offensive war against Germany
By the standards of the western countries yes.

>they lacked proper communications equipment
This does not mean that they can't start an invasion. How were they supposed to know the "communcation technology standard" of the enemy?

>the troops had little to no experience
True, yet the Wehrmacht also wasn't really experienced in the beginning.

>and their technology and weaponry were outdated
Literally Soviet Post war propaganda to justify their fuck ups in the first months of Barbarossa. Soviet technology was not far behind the others, they had good planes, ok tanks and were #1 in amphibious vehicles (which were useless once Germany attacked but would have been needed to invade Britain, just like having more paratroopers than all the other countries combined). This "USSR tech was outdated" is literally a meme.

>Modernization of the Red Army would have taken a couple years at the quickest, which would have led to a Russian invasion probably around 1943.
I don't think it would have taken longer than mid 1942, they had 25000 tanks and 5 million soldiers west of Moscow already stationed basically...

>>131656631
if he had informed England of his plans moving west, and England believed him, then Hitler would not have had to fight the western allies and could have won

By the way, what do you think of the argument that the Allies could've taken down Germany in 1940, simply by bombing their factories and power plants.

>>131664971
>the battle of the Atlantic and Enigma were so crucial to victory.


exactly but invading the british mainland would be inpossiblehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea_Lion aslong as the royal navy was still a thing theres a reason why starving britians resources was seen as the only real solution.

>>131664997

Even with Britain still in the game, would the Normandy invasion have failed then there would have been not much they could have done. Their bombers did some damage yes, but certainly not enough to make them win the war. It doesn't matter how much shit is sitting on their Island if they can't get into European mainland.

>>131664876
Nigga, Germans declared war on Poland

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>>131656631

>>131658845

Even if he did the USSR was in no position to.

Also did the USSR even know how to fight a WW2 war at the time?

They would have all run forward in a line many on fucking horses then when hitting resistance dug trenches like in WW1.

The USSR had no blitzkrieg until Germany taught them in battle.

>>131664974
>If he hadn't gone into Russia during a winter he might have had a chance to win against russia, and thus the war


hitler did not attack in the winter where does this meme come from?

Sunday, 22 June 1941,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

If he attacked Russia in Spring and not in fall

>>131664876
Germany was sinking American and British ships in the early 1940's. There is only so long this can be ignored.

>>131664974
>If he hadn't gone into Russia during a winter
Operation Barbarossa started 22 june 1941

>If he had not been a total dumass and did what his advisers told him and put panzers on the beach then Dday would have not been a success
On what beach? The germans though the real invasion would take place in Calais, and that Normandie was just a diversion

>>131665428
You americans declared war on germany

>Allow Luftwaffe to corporate with Kriegsmarine
> Don't invade Yugoslavia prior to Operation Barbarossa
>Go on the defensive during the battle of Kursk
>Allow the 6th Army to retreat during Battle of stalingrad
>GG ez

>>131665402
>Their bombers did some damage

and demoralized the population even further you underestemate the damige these bombing runs did alot of the documents and oil facility's where bombed crippling germany even further.

>>131664953
>We also need to consider the fact that bombing an enemy isn't enough to conquer. Germany would still need to send troops deep into Russia.
What about nuking Washington DC, like in Man in the High Castle
No American gibs = no Russian war machine

>>131663142

Something on topic, but not what I was looking for directly.

Hitler made several official peace offers to Britain, most notably in September 1939, October 1939, July 1940 (after the fall of France), January 1941, etc (The Führer speaks - The Speeches of Adolf Hitler!).

During the Blitzkrieg, it was noted:

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The Germans contacted the British ambassador in Sweden during the invasion of France - Victor Mallet, through Sweden's Supreme Court judge Ekeberg, who was known to Hitler's legal advisor, Ludwig Weissauer.

"Hitler, according to his emissary [Weissauer], feels himself responsible for the future of the White race. He sincerely wishes friendship with England. He wishes peace to be restored, but the ground must be prepared for it: only after careful preparation may official negotiations begin. Until then the condition must be considered that discussions be unofficial and secret. [...]

Hitler's basic ideas [are that] today's economic problems are different from those of the past [...] In order to achieve economic progress one must calculate on the basis of big territories and consider them an economic unit. Napoleon tried, but in his days it wasn't possible because France wasn't in the center of Europe and communications were too hard. Now Germany is in the center of Europe and has the necessary means to provide communication and transportation services.

England and America now have the best fleets and will naturally continue to, because they will need the oceans for their supply. Germany has the continent. In what concerns Russia, Weissauer has given the impression that it should be seen as a potential enemy."

>>131665776


According to Mallet, these were Hitler's peace terms:

"1-The British Empire retains all its Colonies and delegations
2- The fundamentals of Germany's continental sphere of interest must be recognized
3- All questions concerning the Mediterranean and its French, Belgian and Dutch colonies are open to discussion
4- Poland. A Polish state must exist
5- The former Czechos(slovakian) state will remain independent but under German protection"

Weissauer didn't go into details, but Ekeberg understood that implied that all European states occupied by Germany would see their sovereignty restored. Germany's occupation was only due to the present military situation.


Reference: The Hitler Hess Deception by Martin Allen, February 17 2003, ISBN 0007141181
German General Blumentritt’s statement (shown above) is not the only notice about Hitler’s hope of peace and friendship with England. The renowned Swedish Explorer Sven Hedin observed Hitler’s confusion about Britain’s refusal to accept his peace offers:
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Hitler “felt he had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the British, and each time they had blacked his eye in reply.” Hitler said, “The survival of the British Empire is in Germany’s interests too because if Britain loses India, we gain nothing thereby.”

Reference: Irving, David, Hitler’s War, paperback edition, Avon History, 236.
For 20 years Hitler had dreamed of an alliance with Britain.

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As Hitler told Maj. Quisling on August 18, 1940: “After making one proposal after another to the British on the reorganization of Europe, I now find myself forced against my will to fight this war against Britain....”

Reference: Irving, op. cit., 236.
Hitler tried to remain as civil in war as possible towards Britain, that is before the British bombing of civilian targets.

>>131664041
Does the truth hurt your fees? I thought you cared about the German people? Wasn't this always about them/us and not some fucking failures, like the Nazi party? Who were funded by Bush, and the Skull and Bones at Yale....even wore their symbols?
WTF is your prob? You're a spy aintcha?
>>131664404
No retard. Keeping your forces at home, rather than send out to conquer people who don't want your BS, was always an option, and wtf most of Hitlers' generals wanted, well before the end.
They were tricked.
And you fall for same BS, 90 years later

Btw, whenever somebody mentions that Hitler should not have invaded Poland over a border dispute, mention that Czechslovakia literally did the same shit 15 years earlier over the same post versailles bullshit. But that didnt start a world war............

>>131656631
If Japan would have attack the USSR from the west instead of attacking the USA

>>131665627
>You americans declared war on germany

hitler declared war on the us the japanese did pearl harbor forcing hitler to declare war on them as the japanese where allies with the natsocs.

>>131665713

Actually it can be show that the bombing runs did not really matter until 1943 or so. They were deemed highly ineffective. J.M. Spaight talks about this in his book "bombing vindicated".

>>131665776
where are these qoutes from?
can you give a citation?

>>131665627
Germany declared war on the U.S. on the same day.

>>131665841
the natsocs had a war economy if the did not invade their economy would have collapsed.
>>131665948
do you have a citation for that?

>>131665841
>Keeping your forces at home, rather than send out to conquer people who don't want your BS

You are the retard because you don't know shit except propaganda. Go away shill. The fact that you think the war was started because of conquest shows how little you know. And "keeping your forces at home was always an option"... No it's not an option if the other side is hell bent on war.

No neck yourself and your family.

or maybe he signed the Molotov-Ribbontrop pact after the polish issue was resolved then maybe he would have gotten away with it

>>131665627
But it was Japan who launched a sneak attack on the US

This effectively put the US in a state of war against the axis powers

>>131665722
What really won the eastern front was the complete bullshit amount of tanks that the russians could produce, which they did without the help of the allies

>What about nuking Washington DC, like in Man in the High Castle
No means of delivery. Developing a atlantic bomber was not possible with the technology of the 1940's. The allied bombing runs in europe was launched from britain, and from captured islands and carriers in the pacific.

>>131666107
lol, it's another shoah

>>131666028

Lmao sorry forget to copy the rest, they are from Hitlers War by David Irving, see at the end:


According to Mallet, these were Hitler's peace terms:

"1-The British Empire retains all its Colonies and delegations
2- The fundamentals of Germany's continental sphere of interest must be recognized
3- All questions concerning the Mediterranean and its French, Belgian and Dutch colonies are open to discussion
4- Poland. A Polish state must exist
5- The former Czechos(slovakian) state will remain independent but under German protection"

Weissauer didn't go into details, but Ekeberg understood that implied that all European states occupied by Germany would see their sovereignty restored. Germany's occupation was only due to the present military situation.


Reference: The Hitler Hess Deception by Martin Allen, February 17 2003, ISBN 0007141181
German General Blumentritt’s statement (shown above) is not the only notice about Hitler’s hope of peace and friendship with England. The renowned Swedish Explorer Sven Hedin observed Hitler’s confusion about Britain’s refusal to accept his peace offers:
Quote:
Hitler “felt he had repeatedly extended the hand of peace and friendship to the British, and each time they had blacked his eye in reply.” Hitler said, “The survival of the British Empire is in Germany’s interests too because if Britain loses India, we gain nothing thereby.”

Reference: Irving, David, Hitler’s War, paperback edition, Avon History, 236.
For 20 years Hitler had dreamed of an alliance with Britain.

Quote:
As Hitler told Maj. Quisling on August 18, 1940: “After making one proposal after another to the British on the reorganization of Europe, I now find myself forced against my will to fight this war against Britain....”

Reference: Irving, op. cit., 236.
Hitler tried to remain as civil in war as possible towards Britain, that is before the British bombing of civilian targets.

>>131666329
Prove me wrong. Calling me a Jew is not an argument.

>>131666335


Quote:
Hitler offered total cessation of the war in the West. Germany would evacuate all of France except Alsace and Lorraine, which would remain German. It would evacuate Holland and Belgium, retaining Luxembourg. It would evacuate Norway and Denmark. In short, Hitler offered to withdraw from Western Europe, except for the two French provinces and Luxembourg [Luxembourg was never a French province, but an independent state of ethnically German origin], in return for which Great Britain would agree to assume an attitude of benevolent neutrality towards Germany as it unfolded its plans in Eastern Europe. In addition, the Führer was ready to withdraw from Yugoslavia and Greece. German troops would be evacuated from the Mediterranean generally and Hitler would use his good offices to arrange a settlement of the Mediterranean conflict between Britain and Italy. No belligerent or neutral country would be entitled to demand reparations from any other country, he specified.

The proposal contained many other points, including plans for plebiscites and population exchanges where these might be necessitated by shifts in population that has resulted from the military action in Western Europe and the Balkans. But the versions circulating in authoritative circles all agree on the basic points outlined above.

Reference: Mark Weber. The Inside Story of the Hess Flight. Institute for Historical Review. Issue:Volume 3 number 3. Location: Page 291 The Inside Story of the Hess Flight

>>131665289
>exactly but invading the british mainland would be inpossible
>starving britians resources was seen as the only real solution.

Pretty much, no need to invade when we could have been practically starved out of the war, encircled by the German navy, Overlord/D-Day would never have happened, North Africa would have been under German control and things wouldn't have looked good for an American invasion/liberation of Europe, probably to the point where America probably wouldn't have even bothered liberating Europe, with the German Navy dominationg the waters

>>131665722
>Man in the High Castle
Is that shit or can I watch it without it being another NAZIS ARE THE EVILEST EVAR

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>>131665854
>hundreds of troops fight a skirmish over a tiny patch of land without direct oversight because both nations were newly formed and had no centralised leadership
>this is somehow equivalent to the German invasion of Poland

Literally "My neighbour's dog chased my other neighbour's cat yesterday so how come you arresting me for murdering the mailman, Officer? Bit hypocritical, huh?"

>>131666256
I know wtf started the war retard...it was how Communists and Polish esp, were treating the Germans abroad. Versailles treaty...etc.
Does not matter. was none of his business, to tell everyone else wtf to do.
Which is supposedly wtf they hated about Communists to begin with.
Both sides full of SHIIIIT.
Germany could have imported, all Germans while exporting all Jews/Slavs.
The Nazi party never intended to win.
Everyone knows.
>>131666592
Why can't both Communism AND Nazism both be evil...why does it have to beone or the other? This shit is dumb as fuck.

>>131656631
Honestly? If Russia wasn't on the other side of it.

>>131666469
the thing is the still would have to deal with the soviets and america
after britian would surrender and a puppert state would be declared.
america would have still probably helped the soviets but invading mainland europe for them would be inpossible.
if the natsocs would have control over turkey and the middle east the could flankk russia and take the cuacosus oil fields knocknig russia out quickly but the soviets where not stupid and the would protect it all all costs.

>>131666790
Hitler was a visionary, and from the point of view of tradition, he did absolutely everything right. He knew that he was the-one-before-last, and acted accordingly.

>>131662610
>>131662892
>If the alliance between Mexico and Germany had been successful.

During WW2 you were fucking commies, all of our commies went there because of it (All that ass slurping to Moscow overlords but when it's about to run away better a place with your same language and good weather instead of cold cyrilic Russia)...

And the best part is the fathers going to Mexico and the kids going to Russia, top kek fucking commies man

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>>131656631
By not be funded by the same people who started Communism, and by actually trying to win.

>>131657654
>Britain was getting cucked by German airforce

wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain

>Decisive British Victory

>Irish education

>>131666790
>Does not matter. was none of his business,

When Poland start regular border agitations in August 1939 with people already shooting each other, Poland mobilizing against Danzig (German majority >95% with 400k citizens) then it cerainly becomes his fucking business. No leader in their sane mind would watch that happen. Imagine Mexico starts mobilizing against a City on their clay full of US citizens ready to blast their shit. Would you say "it's none of the US' business?" Of course not you fucking spastic.

>>131666592
It's actually fairly good, it doesn't portray them as comic book villains.

>>131666951
No, he did everything wrong as fuck. We are still paying for his failures., and for his shilling for the Bush Klan.

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>>131666592
It surprisingly "problematic" desu.
It's anti-Nazi, like anything you'd see on mainstream TV, but it still (inadvertently) makes the Reich look like a heaven on earth.

>>131666790
>Why can't both Communism AND Nazism both be evil...why does it have to beone or the other? This shit is dumb as fuck.


he thinks the allies where innocent and ""good"".

the same ones who firebombed entire cities the same ones who allied with the soviets he same ones who later used napalm and agent orange in vietnam on innocents.

>>131667039

Looking at overall performance, everyone got cucked by the Luftwaffe.

BTFO everyone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces

>>131667092
When the day comes, every single person will recognize his genius. He was not meant to win.

Do not help the Italians in Africa, it was the ultimate reason why he had to delay the attack on the USSR. If they had another month, they had taken Moscow

>>131666288
>Developing a atlantic bomber was not possible with the technology of the 1940's.
Okay I'll give you that one but

>What really won the eastern front was the complete bullshit amount of tanks that the russians could produce, which they did without the help of the allies
Didn't USSR receive shitton of iron from the US to build the tanks?

>>131667001
>By not be funded by the same people who started Communism,


>the german empire and the natsoc reich where the same thing.

are you retarded?

>>131656631

the war was lost as soon as he let the brits escape at dunkirk.
he should have held them as PoWs and used them as a bargaining chip to negotiate peace with britain, thanks to churchills time as head of the royal navy hitler never stood a chance in hell of invading and occupying britain, he just didnt have the navy to do so.
after that he should have negotiated some sort of trade agreement with the US, we would have continued supplying the soviets, but nowhere near as much, and he would have resources coming in from the US as well.
once the japs bomb us, he tells them "good luck, you're on your own there"
Hitler then proceeds to steamroll the commies, maybe US wins in the pacific, maybe not, either way we end up negotiating a more favorable peace treaty for japan.
the post war world would likely end up as a 3 way split of power, with US and britain, along with her colonies acting as one party, Germany would have controlled most of europe and the ME through satellite states, and japan would have a similar situation in asia. africa would still be africa.

once the scale of the war became large enough there really wasnt anything hitler could do, barbarrosa was doomed from the start for the simple fact that hitler never had the resources to conquer and occupy all of russia while simultaneously fighting the brits, and suppressing the french resistance. all the while the US is funneling basically unlimited resources to all of them

>>131667150
No, dumb as fuck motherfucker. They all worked for the same people. That war was conrtrolled on all sides..if you still don't know this, then you know NOTHING.
FDR was worse than anyone, annd for the record I think the Nazis (the PEOPLE, not the faggot inner party) had the best claim to actually being on the side of right...don't mean they were not lied to though.
I know, he lost on purpose...tthat was always his plan. I already know.
That was wtf I have been saying all along.
PS the day will never come that I give up my freedom, or that of my family, for increasd security.
Sorry. Fuck off. Try this crap in Europe...maybe you can get this off there.

>>131656631
Deployed chemical weapons early and often instead of trying to fight a gentlemans war

>>131667482
>Didn't USSR receive shitton of iron from the US to build the tanks?
I don't know anything about that but I would assume not since the armor of the russian tanks was complete shit due to poor metal quality

>>131667482
>Developing a atlantic bomber was not possible with the technology of the 1940's.

it was but it would be a one way trip.

no america, no russia. stay on his side of the english channel.

>>131667558
Yup, I'm the retarded one here. Sure thing bud. Whatever you gotta tell yourself.

>>131667482
>Didn't USSR receive shitton of iron from the US to build the tanks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Start reading at "US deliveries to the Soviet Union". And then also the stuff from Britain. Without Lend Lease, the USSR would have been completely fucked. Information for that also even in the Wiki link

>>131667594
>implying you have freedom now

>>131667061
Pretty much what I was looking for. Thanks
>>131666790
To me it's not one or the other. My personal opinion is that national socialist Germany was not that bad. Sucked to be Jews, but oh well. Someone's always getting fucked over or left behind in human history.

>>131667721
>the war was lost as soon as he let the brits escape at dunkirk.
>he should have held them as PoWs and used them as a bargaining chip to negotiate peace with britain


>he still doesnt refute my piont.

>>131667800
The jews were allowed to leave with ALL of their possessions.

>>131656631
italy not being useless
thus starting barbarossa earlier
thus reaching moscow
not splitting army group south

WW2 be ended by 1943.

>>131667794
A lot more than I am being offered by faggot StormCucks.
>>131667800
It sucked to be anyone who disagreed with the controllers, you moron. For anyone not a follower. I suspect you would have fit right in.
>>131667868
The war was lost when Hitler decided to invade and conquer, and be an authoritarian POS.
Also when he took money from the same people who created Communism, and controlled the systems he pretended to fight against.

>>131667976
this

>>131667776
I'll have to check it out, thanks. I had known about Lend Lease, but thought it was mostly regarding the UK.

>>131666888
>the thing is the still would have to deal with the soviets and america

That is probably true, depending on how early the germany navy crippled the British/Commonwealth merchant-shipping what state would Russia have been in without the spupplies comming in from the Arctic-convoys, Enigma was cracked in '41, Stalingrad wasn't until '43 would the Russians even been in any state without the allied merchant shipping comming in and the germans controlling the Arctic routes

there are a lot of "what ifs" really

I do think the merchant navy of all nations are grossly underrepresented in ww2

>>131667976
>thus starting barbarossa earlier


the Axis invasion of the Soviet Union, starting Sunday, 22 June 1941,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa

>>131668066
Let me guess, you're not white. Don't worry, the only freedom we'd take away from you, would be the freedom to participate in politics, or to hold positions that have influence over the country (such as culture and finance).

>>131668175
italian retardation forced germany to take over and waste time in the balkans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Italian_War

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>>131656631
>Take over Central Europe
>Step Down

That's all he had to do.

>>131668145
>but thought it was mostly regarding the UK.

In the beginning yes. But once the USSR got their shit pushed in and Britain ignored, Britain AND the US started supplying the USSR. When Germany reached Moscow, already lend lease tanks were waiting for them.

>>131668162
the thing with barbossa is that it was done during the time stalin purged his genarals and when th soviet union was at its most vunreble.

waiting for so long would ive the soviets the time to build up their army.

as soon as he would have captured britain and secured north africa and to exstension the middle east he would need to flank russia.

>>131668317
thats treu the italian failure to take greece did cost the natsocs a very good chance o get the soviets.

witch cost them even more time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Greece

>>131656631
Letting Italy wait until they were ready.
>Wouldn't have lost troops in North Africa and Greece
>Italy would be stronger
>Not having to worry about a Mediterranean invasion

>>131667192
>so you say you shot down 5 Soviet aircraft on your last sortie, Hauptmann Bubbi?
>oh yeah, totally, all super dead. Can't remember where the wreckage is though Russia is just so big, heh

>>131656631
Berlin, April 1945

Steiners attack BTFOs the russians, in the most stunning turnarounds in history the germans manage to rebounce back to moscow and kick the americans back into the sea

>>131668588 (heiled)

>>131668566
>waiting for italy
Germany would have got invaded by that point

>>131656631
None. He was not supposed to win. He was supposed to kill the jews while the fake jews took over. Then make israel a reality. /thread

>>131668269
No, I'm white. A real white man who is not scared like a bitch. If I don't agree with a dead defeated party who got more whites killed than anyone else, then I must be non-white? It has something to do with my skin color?
You pussies will never see that you are the ones who act like fucking Jews, and justify their existence, will you?
You guys are ALWAYS just like Bernie voters.
Political opinion has more to do with skin color, than ideology...hahahahahha
You have become wtf you claim to oppose...so did Nazis...no surprise needed I suppose.

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>>131668581

>>131668066
>It sucked to be anyone who disagreed with the controllers, you moron. For anyone not a follower. I suspect you would have fit right in.

With any form of socialism you can't have anyone disagreeing with those in power.

That's why you need a secret police, the second anyone strays away from the price fixed wages or goods, it's considered stealing from the state. National socialism was set up there for those who would buy in and actually work together because that's the only way socialism can work.

>>131668671
How? Mussolini said he would be ready by 1943.
The Allies invaded Italy in September of 1943. If Italy went in when it was strong, Germany wouldn't lose troops in Greece and North Africa.

>>131668745
>who got more whites killed than anyone else
kek

>Political opinion has more to do with skin color, than ideology...hahahahahha
>being this bluepilled

>You have become wtf you claim to oppose...so did Nazis...no surprise needed I suppose.
I never claimed to oppose race realism.

>>131656631
He should've made friends with Russia and get a piece accord with USA as he takes all Europe including Spain and Greece.

Then he should've reformed and established German rule in Europe, expanded the war machine with German engineering all over Europe and after that go full apeshit on the Russians not to conquer them but to obliterate them from distance with A bombs and the real war should've been with the USA, after he won that then the world would've been his, as Japs kept the chink nations in a tight leash in the est.

>>131656631
If he'd do what Germany does in HoI:IV since the latest DLC/updates.

They rape the USSR like no tomorrow now (especially if Japan decides to invade when the USSR troops head west); before the updates, the USSR war declaration was near instant death for the Third Reich.

>>131668566
>>Italy would be stronger

italy was already fucing around before the natsocs started invading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Italo-Ethiopian_War

the italians could not stop getting btfu.

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>>131667588
>Dunkirk
>he should have held them as PoWs and used them as a bargaining chip to negotiate peace with britain

Pretty much, which shows Hitler didn't do it out of an act of kindness, as as been said they were overstretched and bogged down with the French.

IF, he would have encircled nearly half a million men, and used it as a bargaining chip for a non agression pact then who knows how the world would have been today.

in reality the loss of the Dunkirk BEF probably wouldn't have cost us the war, though if captured and Britain didn't agree to a peace-pact etc, then public oppinion back home would have been disasterous and, yeah, it wouldn't have gone well a-la Vietnam 0.5.

>>131656631
IF HE WOULD OF USED THE FUCKING JETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>131668925
because stalin planned for war by 1941

>>131668966
Italians took Ethiopia

>>131656631
If they had attacked Britain right after France they WOULD have won the war no doubt whatsoever.

Hitler always wanting to be allies with Britain lost the war (he wanted this for practically the entire duration of the war).

>>131669102
im talking about the other failures italy partook in.

>>131668816
Oh I know....believe me. That's wtf I have been screaming for weeks. If you don't agree with our opinions on how to fix shit, then fuck you.
Hahahahahahaha...You're SO feeling the shit outta the Bern!!
>>131668928
You agree with everything that helps you get free shit, and not compete, cause you are a coward.
And a moron.

>>131668978
Hitler was, unfortunately, more sun than lightning.

>>131669035
What? Stalin was a fucking idiot and trusted Hitler. Trotsky would've invaded.

>>131658791
Bullshit.

The USSR didn't plan on invading Europe until the late 40's, as their military was still undergoing a massive upgrade & retraining program during the opening of WW2.

>>131664953
>they still would've lacked the means of delivery

why?

The real atomic bombing happened because the nips didn't detect the plane or thought it was nothing considering they were used to massive bombing raids of 100s of aircraft and not just one random plane.

>>131669161
As far as I remember, the only war Italy was in right before WWII was the second Ethiopian war

>>131669167
>You agree with everything that helps you get free shit, and not compete, cause you are a coward.
The jews and their lackeys still hunt nazis to this day. How am I a coward and unable to compete?

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>The Earls Court Peace Rally was the largest indoor political meeting in the history of the world.

>It was held in London on Sunday 16 July 1939 – less than 7 weeks before Britain declared war on Germany and the start of an armed conflict that cost the lives of 60-million people.

>The sole speaker to the audience of over 30,000 people was Oswald Mosley, the charismatic Leader of the British Blackshirt movement. He was preceded into the Hall by the British Union London Drum Corps, 60 Honour Standard bearers, the Women’s Drum Corps and the massed standards of the Movement’s industrial groups and local branches.

>For over an hour, Mosley spoke without notes, hesitation or hostile interruption to make a last-minute appeal for ‘Peace with Honour, Empire Intact and British People Safe’.

>Few who heard his speech believed war could ever follow after that. Many who heard it would never survive to see its end.

>"This heritage, by our struggle and our sacrifice, we shall give back to these our children and tell them that they come from that ancient stock of men that went forth from these small islands, across storm-tossed seas in frail craft, to take within their strong hands the greatest Empire the world has ever seen, in which tomorrow we will build the greatest civilisation yet!"

Guess who was then interned for most of the war.

>>131668978
>Churchill
>Making peace

kek

Churchill would've turned around and said "alright, kill em"

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>>131656631
all he had to do to win was not lose

>>131669221
No one knows that 100% sure.

>>131668978
exactly my thinking, the troops themselves werent essential for fighting the war, but public pressure on churchill to get them back would have forced him to the negotiating table.
germany never stood a chance fighting the british without a comparable navy.
also lets not forget it was pressure from the british that largely caused lend lease to happen, which made german defeat a certainty

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>>131666107
>Germany defending itself from JewSA attack = declaring war

>>131664953
They had a fucking huge canon able to shoot anywhere on the northern hemisphere. Can an Anon help me on that? I'm on the app....

>>131669296
This guy really thinks he's a Nazi...Hahahahahahah
Because it is easy as fuck to get rich in Americ, even with a Jew controlled Fed, and all we have to do is take the Fed, put it back in Congressional control, then keep congress in check at gunpoint.
Everything you are talking about, is a means of forcing superior, able to compete whites (ME), to pay the way for dumbass whites (YOU).
You're a pussy. All there is to it really.

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>>131656631
Shouldn't have allowed IBM to run the census and conduct mass surveillance. Nationalism doesn't work with a divided population and decision science burns companies, countries, and veterans to the ground (scalable). Will this thread disappear quickly now?

>>131669690
this is why nobody respects stormfags, you bring up good points, but your devotion to hitler quickly turns into outright historical revisionism.
it is a fact that hitler declared war on the US before a single american serviceman set foot in europe or africa. we would have been content to just beat up the gooks and leave europe alone

>>131669362
>Churchill
>Making peace
>Churchill would've turned around and said "alright, kill em"

I know you jest but if this was the case then the british public wouldn't have taken lightly to it and probably would reovlted, UK is now is civil war/chaos and Hitler wins eitherway

>>131664301
if they meaningfully attacked moscow then the nips would've dropped Pearl Harbor and invaded russia in the east.

Tis the tragedy of it all, thus not brining america fully into the war.

>>131656631
Had Hitler not hindered his generals by taking over direct control of the military, they would've won the war easily.

>>131669950
YEEEEEHAWWW

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>>131670105
>le Hitler was bad meme

>>131669971
>we would have been content to just beat up the gooks and leave europe alone


you forget that lend and lease was still a thing the natsocs had to sink us merchant supply ships to starve britian nothing good could come from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

>>131669167
Dude why are you flipping I'm not being a dick to you that's some other fag. I'm actually reading your posts and some I agree.

Bernie was and always will be a fag, and I hope him and his wife get tossed in prison for fraud.

While we disagree on some shit, socialism could have worked with national socialism because of how Germany was ethnically German and Hitler hyped it all up enough for everyone to buy in, and I think they were autistic/efficient enough to make it work in the long run if things were different.

It doesnt change the reality that they lost, I acknowledge it, but I can still believe in what they stood for. Sounds faggoty but I'm not denying reality here.

>>131670154
He lost due to drugs, poor fellow

>>131669032
Too few, too late. They also had a huge maintenance cost as they had to replace their engines all the time.

>>131669241
Because the germans didn't have anything like the B-52 or the Lancaster. The closest thing they had to a heavy bomber was the Condor, and that was just a repurposed commercial airliner.

Note that neither of these heavy bombers had the operational range to traverse the atlantic.

>>131669703
I doubt that

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TELL JAPAN TO HOLD THE FUCKING BALL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i-RF6EhLZs&feature=youtu.be&t=13m29s
its literally japans fault

>>131669971
this.

hitler was just too principled for his own good, it was just that america was prouncing about as the peacemaker whilst arming britain and russia at the same time, but going all out declaring war didn't exactly help hitlers situation.

If he stayed off the drugs and didn't go insane/paranoid

>>131670417
pearl harbor was the nail in the coffin for natsoc germany and to japan .

>>131656631
If the Germans had smashed the Brits in Dunkirk. Maybe.

>>131656631
He actually killed the jews

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>>131656631

You mean B-29.

>>131668358
hnng

>>131669450

Exactly, and it shows how much a huge blunder the whole Dunkirk debacle was, it was careless and quite literally could have cost us the war, not through deaths but with a the stroke of a pen via a non agression pact and probaby a pact neutering our merchant navies.

Germany holds the Dunkirk prisoners hostage and feeding/maintaining them is upto the British.

Uk has never really had a great land army, its navies were its strength and Germany could have neutered the lot with close to half a million men prisoner, again it wouldn't have made a great deal of diffrence to the UKs power, public opinon back home though, wew lad.

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>>131656631
Capturing the British army at Dunkirk and accepting his commanders' advice in the East.

It's really remarkable how close he came. The largest any incarnation of any German state ever occurred under his leadership. It's amazing.

>>131670812
this mentality is literally like blaming women for getting raped

>>131670812
but the hugo boss uniforms
but the cool armbands

>>131666592
Definitely watch it, the further you get (especially in S2) the more redpilling it is without even trying to be a red pill. It's also aesthetic as fuck, especially in the portrayal of the Reich.

>>131670193
ofc lend-lease was a big factor, but dont forget america is run by jews who would have been all too happy to play both sides and sell shit to germany too,
not to mention if hitler had forced churchill to the negotiating table by CAPTURING THE FUCKING BRITS AT DUNKIRK, lend-lease would probably have never happened at all. we had no love for the soviets

>>131656631
if america stayed out completely. i.e NO lend lease

Part of the reason Hitler lost was his homogeneous white demographic he enforced through violent language and genocide. The US had the advantages of an African American community, Native Americans, and Japanese technology/industry. The Muslims in England were able to provide the science, education, and strong moral fiber that England needed to hold off against Germany.

If anyone actually knows their history, they understand the powerhouse that diversity was in the western world.

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>>131667558
Xer makes a good point. Germany was fighting the cucked world (external) and it's own cucked population (internal). Nationalism isn't supposed to be that divided. He relied on foreign systems of governance that burnt up his country with great speed.

>when you blitzkrieg the whole of europe and even your biggest of egoes gets a too cautious

he fannied about too much in the east, his generals wanted to keep pushing wherever they could but he just wanted to be more cautious

>>131670434
we have literally always done this.

even going back to the napoleanic wars and up to current conflicts we publicly announce ourselves as the voice of reason and peace while selling guns to both sides.

our country is staggeringly jewish

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>>131671128
this!

Thank god the based poles and muslims destroyed the evil racist white european nation to give us the modern liberty and diversity of today

>>131665457
>The USSR had no blitzkrieg until Germany taught them in battle.

Wrong. Have some Zhukov:

http://www.historynet.com/world-war-ii-soviet-and-japanese-forces-battle-at-khalkhin-gol.htm

>>131671133
the german population after ww1 and the treaty of versiales where inching for revenge.

>>131656631
War history buff here!

He would have stood a better chance had he conquered the UK before invading Russia. But people seem to often overlook the fact that the lend lease act was passed in march 1941, two months before operation Barbarossa. The war may have been lost before it ever started, and Germany never even reached their biggest obstacle in russia which is the caucuses, not the red army. He also should have told the Japanese to not attack the united states and instead open up a second front on Russia. Even if Germany managed to take Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad they would have been chasing a ever stronger army that would be scortching the earth as it fell back with tactical defeats. In the history if warfare, nobody has ever won a war that was faught in this manner; this is actually how the United States won the southern campaign of the revolutionary war.

>>131668581
The Germans were picky about crediting kills and their aces fought until killed, wounded, or captured. OTOH Allied aces didn't typically see steady operations throughout the war.

Let Russia strike first while Germany played a defensive position so that USSR would look like the aggressor and win support from more countries to side with Germany against them.

None.

>endless land grabbing
>economic parasitism
>muh lebensraum
>declaring war on US and USSR
>shit tanks
>autistic command system and hierarchy
>shit logistic support
>production methods outdated
>agricultural production in need of heavy reform
>G*rmans

>>131665457
>>131671295

>The USSR had no blitzkrieg until Germany taught them in battle.

Weimar Republic Germany had some "secret troops" in the USSR to be equipped and trained there. German WW1 veterans also tought new Soviet officers the art of warfare. The USSR actually was well prepared.... until that idiot Stalin basically purged/executed all of his capable officers prior to WW2.

So yes, the USSR knew their stuff, until they didn't.

Plus Hitler was surrounded by traitors near the end who were feeding him lies.

>>131656631
The Rothschild didn't turn on him ..

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If Japan hadn't attacked the United States and gotten them involved in the war, and attacked Russia in a collective effort with the Germans instead.

Also; if fucking Italy didn't dick around and actually helped with the war efforts

>>131665627
>>131665912
>>131666107
>>131666288
This is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.
The embargo worked and the Japs stung first. The Germans could either be complacent and allow for the US to steamroll the Japs, then turn the tide over to them, or declare war. This is situation A: standing next to your ally and fighting with them (as the amendment to their alliance was drafted to include attacks by the US prior to the invasion).
In situation B, the Germans betray a temporary alliance with the Soviets (I say temporary because their ideological differences could only hold up for so long). In this case, the response is the same. They can either leave their allies in the dust, or fight with them: the response will not change. That is primarily because the story comes from the allies, who want the opposition to lose, no shit.
I am sure the Germans told their citizenry the same stuff about the evil allies becoming allies with the Soviets (that part would be true as the US would go on to fight a cold war with them).
It's kind of like the imperialist gambit. "Stop having claims on territory and being imperialist". This has been done by the French, British, German, Russian, etc.
The only reason why the biggest colonialist racists of Europe are those damned Nazis is because their blood and soil nationalism came to be right around the time of the Geneva conventions and human rights (or, "it's on paper so what we did doesn't count from this point on!").

>>131671790
my favorite stormfront meme

>>131672105
there were no traitors in the upper echelons of NatSoc Germany?

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Should've hired a Mage Salaryloli

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Because the same exact reasons all the time...now is USA time

>>131672307
All of them? And it's still this way? No we all know...you guys are the ones in the dark about this.

>>131658791
bullshit

Stalin may had been preparing an invasion of Germany but they weren't ready for it in 1941

I think Germany had chances of winning WWI, but only in the first stages of the war, when the war became a war of attrition it was the end for Germany.
And the WWII I think that it was impossible for the Axis countries, they couldnt go against UK because they didn't have ships and nor go against USSR because it was way too big.

>>131671748
this, russia was ripe for the taking, they weren't even fully industrialized until 43-44.

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I don't understand what part of financings both sides of the war you don't understand..

>>131672676

The only reason Germany didn't win WW1 or WW2 was because the US greatly supported both in both wars. In WW1, Britain and France were bankrupt after 1 year of war and in WW2, the debt to the US was so great that Britain basically had to give up the empire.

The US was the one winning both wars... the only one. The others basically just won on paper.

>>131672676
How long will you guys sit around pretending any group save one, ever wins any of these everyone vs everyone wars.?
...And it's never who you a-holes think it is.
>>131672919
This guy gets it.

>>131656631
By not attacking Russia and instead put effort into industrializing France.

>>131656631
If Japan decided to invade Russia instead of pushing South.

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>>131671381
I imagine they would be, I'd be pissed too! But thinking breaks down as you fly into monkey rage. That was exploited by Germany's enemies and helped ensure their loss.

>>131672987
>babby's first redpill

>>131672818
>they weren't even fully industrialized until 43-44.

You and there you go full retard. The USSR bought all their shit from Germany, Britain, France and the US in terms of industrial strength and paid for that with food, hence collectivization.

Especially thanks to Henry Ford, the USSR created the biggest military industrial complex in the world behind the Ural mountains. And that was finished before the war started. The USSR's industrial warfare capabilities were outstanding and could only be matched/rivaled/surpassed by the US. The rest can't hold a candle to the USSR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqxoA52kjI

>>131672919
Did you all know there is new info out, about Patton being killed by USA and Russia, because the allies/Russia were up to BS, and they feared he would tell.
Imagine that...the American FDR DEMOCRATIC Admin, was up to BS with Communist Russia....who ever could have imagined such a thing could happen.
(((SARCASM)))
>>131673133
Oh yeah, I'm totally new to this. Never thought about any of this before. Thanks for your assistance h wise master of /pol/ who thinks all this was born on the internet.
I have been saying all of the same shit, before there even WAS an internet, you putz.

>>131671985
this, people are forgetting that the loss of US oil to japan was a death sentence for their mainland ambitions.
for the japanese war machine to continue to function they needed oil, which after the embargo they planned to get from french indo-china, only problem was they needed the phillipines as a base of operations... which at the time was a US territory.
after the embargo the japs had 2 choices: sue for peace with china, or declare war against the US. their plan was to disable our pacific fleet long enough for them to secure the oilfields and then sue for peace, problem was 1) they weren't able to fully disable our pacific fleet, and 2) they underestimated our ability to build and deploy new warships.

there was a brief moment where the japs had parity with the US, but after the battle of Midway it was basically over

>>131663218
> after 1941

his best chances of winning were before 42 thats for sure, but it wasn't until 43/44 that was the biggest year of fuck ups.

>>131672357

The chinese text above their heads reads:

Wealth inheritance, the road to perennial foundation(I guess they meant solid foundation)

>>131673499
>weaponized cartman
>I have been saying all of the same shit, before there even WAS an internet, you putz.
What's up jonestein?

Let star by trying to explain a bunch of. brain washed imbeciles winning a war is like winning a fucking cancer .. it just not the way it works ... war is a failure at diplomacy...and its all about power and influence.. money is a tool to control you misleaded pussfied army of combat thrall...

>>131671909
>Moon landing was a hoax
>Twin towers was a hoax
>Pearl harbour was totally real

Pol logic 404

>>131672676
>they couldnt go against UK because they didn't have ships

germany had a very strong navy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck

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>>131664953
>even if the nazis had developed the atomic bomb in 1939, they still would've lacked the means of delivery

By 1945 Germany will be only country with nukes and nuke-capable long-range jet bombers

>>131673826
>Operation Unthinkable is the german plans for invading the USA

>>131673717
>implying I think any of those things are hoaxes

>>131670033
you think they would have let the public know? the british people did not know of the peace offers from Hitler in 1941, otherwise Churchill wouldnt be a hero. Everyone was tired of war

>>131673717
Don't cry for us Argentina ... we know you still hiding NAZI in your basement!

>>131673646
Hahahah!! See. These people really believe anyone disagreeing with their Nazi BS...heard it on the radio, or the internet. Because we have no minds of our own I guess.
this is projection. You are the assholes who cannot figure out the world, and need an elite group of whites to tell you where to squat and lean. You're the ones who picked up your world view from a website, or a shill. That's you dudes.
Number one spies/shills...everyone knows.
The NWO's preferred useful idiot.

>>131673717
>the /pol/ is a hivemind meme.

>>131674045
Relax AJ. Here's the basic gestalt: National Socialism cannot exist without Hitler. As he said - all great political movements exist because of the man leading them. Hope you can connect the rest of the dots.

>>131660987
post a book faggit

Not invading Poland and goading Russia into invading Western Europe. UK/French/German/Italian Alliance against Russia with the USA being anticommunist lend leasing them. Hitler gets every piece of ethnic German populations upon victory and Communism is crushed. Japan still gets rekt. Israel is still founded as Britain, France and a militarily awakened superpower USA pressure a Germany devastated by the war against the USSR into deporting Jews to Palestine rather than rounding them up and putting them in ghettos or camps. Cold War is Germany vs USA, Britain and France with Italy remaining neutral, with the USA still getting the nukes first due to the flight of scientists in the 1930s but Germany developing nukes to flatten Moscow at the end of the last war. Competition and espionage between the USA and Germany leads to multiple nuclear bases on the moon from both sides and a race to colonize Mars first, but neither side wants to strike first. Decades go by and a new National Socialist movement arises in Germania with Germans who don't care about the wounds of WW1 and the cold war ends through reform on both sides. New Germany is now an ethnostate with strict immigration controls and Israel is a regional power in the Middle East due to Western backing during the cold war. Germany's style of ethnic hygiene never became taboo and is prevalent in the USA, Britain and France due to the success of the Germans as a result. The USA and Germany fund the first successful colony on Mars.

>>131673717
>/pol/ is one person

for the record twin towers was done by saudis, funded by isrealis, with full knowlege from the CIA
the other 2 happened exactly as stated

>>131658524
/thread/

>>131664953

Retard.

If they had developed the nuke first you would be saying the same thing now about the allies!

>> the allies couldn't have built the nuke first! They weren't under the same pressure the Germans were and didn't have the NEED to build a super bomb. Plus do you even know how expensive it would have been! They would have needed to divert resources from the war effort!!

Litterally you are retarded

What really was in the German craw, and mentioned above was the horrible and unrealistic and debilitating terms of the Versailles Peace Treaty. And it was the damn French who insisted on massive war reparations (contrast that with how the North handled the South after the U.S. Civil War - just told them to go home. No reparations, no penalties causing additional suffering) which destroyed the German economy, did not allow growth and created hopelessness which created desperation. It was from the ashes of that desperation that Hitler and his 'f*** France, f*** them all' rhetoric [nationalism] arose. He indeed did a marvelous job of resurrecting the country. But instead of raising the massive military might (which violated the terms of the treaty and generally nudged everyone toward unavoidable enforcement/military confrontation) he should first have NEGOTIATED better terms and amendments to the Treaty. Favorable ones even. That would have helped his people and his country to avoid the hell Hitler brought on his own people. But he could never win a war with the entire world, especially against the massive resources of both Russia and the USA - no one country could have taken on the world an won. Therefore, once he invaded Poland, his fate was sealed. He wins in zero scenarios.

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>>131674034
>you think they would have let the public know? the british people did not know of the peace offers from Hitler in 1941

True, not in 1941 anymore, but they knew in 1939 and 1940 when Germany literally dropped leaflets over london. Their media simply made fun of it and that's it.

>>131656631
Pact Ribbentrop-Molotov isnt broken
France gets anihilated, Africa is all german, there isnt a fascist coup against Hitler, Rommel leads the troops to UK, Japan and Russia split China, Japan attacks USA at the same time as Germans.

>>131674550
>when Germany literally dropped leaflets over london.

do you have a citation for that?

>>131656631
Not attack russai, or not go into Russia and instead invaded iran or middle East to secure fuel reserves.

>>131674417
Good. Then Natsoc is as dead as your traitorous fuhrer. Best news I have had all day.

https://youtu.be/h4UqMyldS7Q

>>131671295
>Zhukov

You mean Tukhachevsky right? But Stalin did some right things like stressing the importance of semi auto and automatic rifles.

>>131674702
you're still retarded though

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>>131674490
>tfw you don't live in this timeline

>>131658763
use subversion instead of force.

>>131674794
Yeah, whatever you gotta tell yourself for why I destroy you pussies on the regular.
Undefeated as a matter of fact.

Oh Hitler you fool


>The Soviet Union provided material support to Germany in the war effort against Western Europe through a pair of commercial agreements, the first in 1939 and the second in 1940, which involved exports of raw materials (phosphates, chromium and iron ore, mineral oil, grain, cotton, and rubber). These and other export goods transported through Soviet and occupied Polish territories allowed Germany to circumvent the British naval blockade.

>In October and November 1940, German-Soviet talks about the potential of joining the Axis took place in Berlin. Joseph Stalin later personally countered with a separate proposal in a letter on 25 November that contained several secret protocols, including that "the area south of Batum and Baku in the general direction of the Persian Gulf is recognized as the center of aspirations of the Soviet Union", referring to an area approximating present day Iraq and Iran, and a Soviet claim to Bulgaria's sphere.Hitler never responded to Stalin's letter. Shortly thereafter, Hitler issued a secret directive on the invasion of the Soviet Union

>>131674453

I have, it's literally the pic you quoted, there additional books are also show (where the infos come from) and I posted on instance in #1 already depicting lots of the information.

But reading the book in the pic should tell you all. It's 2300 pages though, roughly 400 pictures/maps.

>>131675000
YEEEEEEHAAAAWWW

>>131675004
are you talking about the molotov ribbetrop agreement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact

>>131661289
Stalin was a coward, theres literally no way he wouldve dared oppen a war against Germany when they were at their peak might, and Red Army was pretty weak (as in they lacked the ability to really conquer Germany at that point) and was in bad shape due to purges. Hitlers initial successes and major advances against Russia just prove it, Red Army wwas nowhere near preparing to invade Germany, they utterly lacked the capability to do so

>>131674490
this would work in a timeline without jews

>>131671203
>our country is staggeringly jewish

its almost as if the US was founded by free masonry

>>131674657

It's literally the picture I posted. What the fuck man.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=109321

Here you have that leaflet

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1940-leaflet-dropped-by-luftwaffe-over-london-with-translation-of-72279972.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/10/a4081510.shtml

>>131675286
kek

>>131656631
Finish development of glocke aircraft. The third Reich is still alive in Antarctica.

>>131656631
If the Jews hadn't convinced the U.K., and later, the US to get involved.

>>131675156

Even Von Ribbentrop agreed breaking the pact was fucking dumb and that his aspirations for a alliance with zionist controlled Britain was nothing but wishful thinking.

>>131675163
>Hitlers initial successes and major advances against Russia just prove it
L
O
LOL
O
L

Soviets were taking offensive positions when hitler attacked and soviet commanders only had military maps of germany

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>>131675286
really makes you think

>>131656631
Not fucking with russia immediately

FUCKING WITH THEM AFTER THEY ARE DONE WITH AMERICA.

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>>131675286
>its almost as if the US was founded by free masonry

Well you know Britain...

>>131675189
The hope would be that Jews not getting the holocaust and achieving a greater Israel would leave them perfectly happy.

>>131675485
What kind of maps do yyou think militaries have you blithering idiot? The soviets were caught offguard and basically running for their lives when Hitler invaded, they didnt put up a good resistance until he reached moscow and stalingrad

>>131675399
What does Von Rabbi h to say about the fact that his whole point is dumb...cause Hitler himself was a Zionist.
Dumbass.
https://youtu.be/pQ9AE6P5ERs

>>131675399
that is treu hitler shot himself in the foot by not allying with the soviets.

but even if hitler did ally with the soviets the divede of land the would have conqeured would still have to be divided and there would be a cold war with natsoc germany the soviets and the usa.

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>>131675771