Are AnCaps mentally handicapped?

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Are communists mentally retarded?
>"We need inferior humans to be paid the same amount as everyone else lolololol"

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both Commies and Capitalists shall swing from the trees

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>>131657137

>>131657212
...and anime posters (pedophiles) will be fed to pigs, like in the Hannibal movie

>>131657316

Big talk for someone who doesnt even let his people have guns

This is now an ancap memeball thread. GO!

>Commies are a bunch of fags that need to grow up.
>NatSoc has cool ideas, but needs to prove themselves in one country before they can be trusted worldwide.
>Capitalism is God.

There. Done. Thread closed.

That's because you think pedophiles on /pol/ are libertarians.It also shows you know nothing about libertarianism because you think it's a political stance.

https://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia

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>>131654644
Yes.

>>131654644
Lives are not and cannot be property
Taxation is metered slavery
That man violated the NAP
You're an idiot

>>131657137
You do realize Nazism supports capitalism? Ready to swing on that tree?

>>131661864

>"You do realize Nazism supports capitalism?"
>*strips all your belongings and murders you because you're a jew*

do you even know what capitalism means?

>>131661864
HEY AFRICKA FLAG

YOU KNOW WHAT "NAZI" stands for?

it stands for "national SOCIALISM"

>socialism

you got that right buddy,,

its fugkin socialist, for commies like u

im going to drop kick you from a helicopter one day.

>>131654644
Yes

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>>131654644

>>131654644
No, just delusional and most often lacking real world experience.

>>131661864
Nazism supports free enterprise, but the market isn't completely free, for example monopolies are broken up and companies creating degeneracy are not allowed. Nazism is third position, not right or left.

>>131662361

>muh degeneracy

You sociashits are all the same with these buzzwords.

>"h-having money is degenerate therefore we'll steal allyour property for The Great Reich's betterment"
>"h-having money is racist and bigoted therefore we'll steal all your money for the The LGBTQ+ Socialist Regime's betterment"

>>131663860
He's 100% right. When companies cease sticking to maximising their bottom line and use their economic power to promote antisocial behaviours and globalism, a true leader should step in and take appropriate measures.

>>131656884

many ceos have narcissistic personality disorder, have you ever been around a narcissist? why reward people who are barely human for their exploits?

>>131664309

You fail to understand that by opening these precedents of authoritarianism, people who don't abide to your ideologies can seize power and exert the state's force onto you too.

>>131664862
>opening these precedents
They've been open forever, retard, it's how human civilization works.

>>131665109

And it has worked wonderfully, right? It isn't a coincidence that the most violent century in history was also the birthplace of fascism.

>>131664862
>>131665109

This. History is a struggle between groups and between individuals, the strongest one seize power and oppresses his enemies. That's normal and unavoidable. Why do you think there never was any ancap society (beyond micro experiments of delusional sects)?

>>131664309
So nazis just want anti trust laws?

>>131662177
Nationalized socialism (for your own people and not rapefugees) isnt a bad thing. Shill. Also saged and hidden

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it's that time of year again, when all of the young marxists are out of school and are ready to fight the true evils of capitalism with their arguments dripping with logical fallacies.

>>131665442

>"something didn't happen before therefore it can't happen in the future"

Seems like you'll never create anything in your life.

>"History is a struggle between groups and between individuals, the strongest one seize power and oppresses his enemies."

No one is denying this.An ancap society can defend itself like any other.

>>131654644
Reminder that Keynes is the only big non-Jew economic theorist of the modern age and his theories are the only ones that render positive results.

>>131665480
lol, yeah.

>is it actually illegal in your country to make fun of someone online ?

>>131665351
Yeah it has. Violence and conflict is how our species improves.
Capitalists and ancaps believe this as well, but the problem is you're retarded and think it should work like natural selection, through free and open market. Even though we have the means for artificial selection, through government.

>>131654644
Most of them bought into it before they became racially aware. Now they are too emotionally invested to let it go.

>>131654644
>Being a literal commie and starving to death in some commune breadline shithole in the middle of fuck nowhere because nobody fucking likes commies
>being an ancap
>not being glorious pirate masterrace
>being this much of a landlubber

>>131665480
The basic principle of Hitler was that the political should prime over economic matters and economic freedoms. Otherwise he was economically agnostic and said it in Mein Kampf. It's all about pragmatism.

So Nazis are allowed to disagree on when there is a conflict between the political and the economic, and how the conflict should be solved. The only thing is that no nazi can say that economic freedoms should be preserved no matter what even if the market fails to achieve politically optimal outcomes.

"Politics" is defined in the higher sense of the best interests of the nation.

>>131665881
It won't happen in a human world because it goes against human nature - if you have power, why would you give freedoms to your enemies? Humans (and all living beings) are engineered for self preservation, not for abstract libtard dogmas.

An ancap society cannot defend itself as well as any other because there it imposes dogmatic rules on itself (like, you know, "NAP" and other bullshit freedoms). Any society that does not have these constraints will be more powerful under the exact same circumstances.

>>131665881
It's not about whether it will happen in the future it's about why has it never happened before in the entire history of human civilization, despite apparently being the superior model.
The answer is it's not and you're just deluded
>an ancap society can defend itself like any other

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>>131665480
nazis are socialists;

>nationalist welfare state/collectivism/socialism/statism
healthcare
pensions
scholing
police
muh roads
muh anti-degeneracy coercitive measures
>theft/slavery
taxes
forced bonds (stealing from savings accounts by law; they pass a law that forces banks to ("("("invest")")") client's money into bonds
political control of monetarism; own central banks to respond directly to the government
aka inflation
expropiations targeting some collectives

>anti-markets
centraliced regulations
nationalization of "key" services/industries/bussineses cuz messiah lunacyTM
capital controls, don't run away with your property, it's not yours heh, 'muh nation interests' > you
pretty similar to current corporativism
bann on the internet

>>131656405
that, of course, doesn't apply to the government

>>131666545

Space exploration never happened in human history

Social paradigms are like any other technology that need to be discovered

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>>131666654
>a stable, organized society that actively creates a productive, prosperous citizenry is more appealing to real human beings than an anarchist hellscape that functions on mob-rule to enforce arbitrary rights.
>he thinks this is a revelation

>>131666654
You're ignoring the context:

> he would never have taken power and kept it on a libertarian platform, in a country driven by class conflict and where the Communists were an important political force
> He was a revolutionary leader who just had taken power, of course he needed to control society, are you retarded?
> Also ignoring the fact that some of what you say took place, or was reinforced because of the war
> And ignoring the fact that the competing model in the region was not free market capitalism but full blown communism (and Hitler always stopped short of abolishing capitalism) or French-like, big government crony capitalism

Some of what you mentioned though (like expropriating Jews or forcing foreign creditors from hostile nations to accept money that can only be spent in Germany as payment) was totally legit though.

>>131667253
Space exploration is incredibly complex and requires high level of coordination (i.e. a developed government system)

The social paradigm for ancap isn't complex. It's less complex than democracy for example. If it could exist, it should have been "discovered" millennia ago, in antiquity.
Why didn't it?
Because like Dixie said, it's against human nature.

>>131666445

An ancap society would have power hierarchies and constraints.When you attend your boss's order he's exerting power over you.When you play a football game everyone is abiding to rules voluntarily without any external enforcement.

>>131667839

>"space exploration is incredibly complex and requires high level of coordination

so is an Ancap society where everyone respects each other's rights to life and property

>>131654644
Them along with communists yes. Absolute morons.

>>131667921
Can you explain why countries like the US whose military normally consists of volunteers have to institute the draft?

>>131668078
"everyone respects each other's rights to life and property" is not complex.

>>131668251

"Can you explain why countries like the US whose military normally consists of volunteers have to institute the draft?"

What does that have to do with what I said

>""everyone respects each other's rights to life and property" is not complex."

Yes it is -- the most advanced societies are the ones where individuals have the most liberty.

>>131668881

to back my statements:

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking


The most economically free people are also the richest, REALLY puts certain national socialists to think, hum?

>>131669327
I thought ancaps liked the Austrian school. Don't remember what they said about empirical economics?

If there was a Heritage ranking (which btw has heavily biased and inconsistent methodology specifically designed to achieve an outcome where "liberty" looks good) in the Middle Ages, fools would conclude that mercantilism is the real stuff.

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>>131668881
In that post you were arguing that a voluntary society can defend itself just as well as an authoritarian one. Answer the question.

>Yes it is -- the most advanced societies are the ones where individuals have the most liberty.
No. It isn't. And the """liberty""" you think people have in countries today is just tyrannical governments' way of placating their subjects.
>>131669327
Pic related
really made me think

>>131667921
I don't see how this answers the question of the ability of an ancap society to defend itself against a foreign power. The only thing that "forces" (not really) belligerent countries to abide by rules is Western imperialism - the exact contrary of ancap.

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'Anarcho'-capitalism is an oxymoron is and it better called neo-feudalism.

>Introduction to Anarchism
https://libcom.org/files/intro%20pamphlet%20reading.pdf

>The Anarchist FAQ
http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionA

>Is 'Anarcho'-Capitalism a form of Anarchism?
http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionF

>Anarcho-'Capitalism' is impossible.
https://c4ss.org/content/4043

>What is Property, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen

>The Conquest of Bread, Peter Kropotkin
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread

>Markets not capitalism
http://radgeek.com/gt/2011/10/Markets-Not-Capitalism-2011-Chartier-and-Johnson.pdf

>>131667839
>Space exploration is incredibly complex and requires high level of coordination (i.e. a developed government system)

Please tell us how central planning has a higher level of coordination and complexity than the free market.
Peharps you are mistaking "descentralized" planning with "unorganized" planning. Such topic has already seem many good answers under austrian economics (Hayek's price system and information distribution and Mises economic calculation problem for instance).

To sum: This argument is absolute bullshit. You'd have seriously say that any good you are able to buy could only exist because of government.

>>131670490
wow I guess the war was a period of welfare since the gdp rose

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>>131671630
Cool story, faggot.

>>131670478

Rule of Law, government size, regulatory efficiency and open markets

There's nothing that contradicts praxeology here

>>131670490

nice picture, now post the sources

>In that post you were arguing that a voluntary society can defend itself just as well as an authoritarian one. Answer the question.

farmers in Vietnam and the Mujahideen twice in Afghanistan

>No. It isn't. And the """liberty""" you think people have in countries today is just tyrannical governments' way of placating their subjects.

Liberty is certainty of the preservation of life and property, that enables the accumulation of capital instead of a state of pillaging and killing like the african states.

>>131672245

african nations*

AnCaps are often literal autists and spergs who lack empathy and think that everyone else is as much of a "rational actor" as they are. In a society where literally every single person was a rational actor looking for the best outcome possible for themselves while avoiding as little damage to others as possible, AnCap would work. However, humans are retarded and power naturally congregates, so all attempts at Anarcho-anything result in feudalism ultimately.

Still better than fucking commies.

>>131671866
The problem with space exploration and very abstract / speculative research in general is that investors are risk averse and have an investment horizon of at most a lifetime.

In some cases (like with biotech or internet startups), they're willing to take the risk because if they win, the payoff will be huge and they will see it. Also the investments needed isn't that huge; a series A funding very rarely goes above $100 million.

In the case of space exploration, there probably won't be any payoff before centuries and it needs a hell lot of resources. This is why state agencies have achieved the best results so far - also why war (where all resources are taken away from individuals) is great for innovation.

This (((debate))) is so tiresome. George Lincoln Rockwell supported the free market and business and the U.S. Constitution. He was NatSoc.

>>131663860
Your a fucking muppet mate
>h-having money is degenerate therefore we'll steal allyour property for The Great Reich's betterment"
I never said that. NatSoc/Fascism has nothing against people becoming rich.
>"h-having money is racist and bigoted
Also never said that. I'm racist and bigotted myself. Kill yourself

Nah, in communism you'd just eat the baby, airlifted shark food.

>>131671866
Central planning=NASA
Free market=Blue Origin
If you can see how one incorporates more resources than the other, dunno what to tell you.

>>131672692

Did I imply you said any of those things? My point is that basing your entire ideology on a word like "degeneracy" that can be bent at will can cause what's happening nowadays with the left saying anything is racist or bigoted.

>>131672008
The war started in 39, dumbass. But yeah that was also a period of welfare. til they started losing of course

>>131672245
>Rule of Law, government size, regulatory efficiency and open markets

Apart from rule of law (which actually would be less efficient in an ancap society as fragmentation and bottom-up law making create uncertainty) there is no proof of a cause-effect relationship between what you mention and economic prosperity.

Government size has pros and cons economically.

For regulatory efficiency I don't really know what you're talking about, I thought the market should autoregulate as much as possible for ancaps.

Free movement of labour and capital is generally good but has clear cons in specific situations.

>>131672851

Every company is centrally planned you dense

the difference is that Blue Origin doesn't have the American's taxpayer money to seethe from

>>131662089

JEW's earnings are always theft. It's not a crime when it's justice.

>>131673130

You know ancap != austrian economics right? You can have an austrian analysis of a state society

>>131671630
>The Conquest of Bread, Peter Kropotkin

don't say you actually enjoyed this book. I give these fuckers a chance, and what I get is some high-school tier fantasies

>>131673015
I realize that, you idiot. I was pointing out your ignorance on econometrics

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Until recently I was a hardcore fascist, but lately I've been studying Hoppe and I can't help but feel like he's right. I'm leaning more and more ancap every day

>>131673344
Yeah I'm aware of that. But generally ancaps like Austrian economics. And I do agree with their argument that there are too many variables to induce economic laws merely from empirical observations.

>>131672245
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=GDP+growth+Nazi+Germany

The Vietnam farmers and the soldiers in the Mujahideen were all volunteers?
That's not an answer to my question, by the way. I asked why volunteer armies, even ones in countries all about """liberty""" like the USA, have the draft. Please answer.

>Liberty is certainty of the preservation of life and property
It's the promise of it, being made by an authority that has the power to revoke it any time it wishes.
The promise doesn't enable shit.
The "accumulation of capital" doesn't yield a prosperous society it creates individual absurdly-wealthy people, creating an entirely new mode of tyranny to go along with what was already there.

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>>131671630
You, ancom retard, read pic related

>>131673012
>Did I imply you said any of those things?
You did actually you fucking nigger

>>131673236
It's not a high level of coordination, you fucking retard.
Next you're going to say that Billy's farmer market down the road is as complex as the entire Wal-Mart corporation?

>>131673130

>Apart from rule of law (which actually would be less efficient in an ancap society as fragmentation and bottom-up law making create uncertainty) there is no proof of a cause-effect relationship between what you mention and economic prosperity.

I'm talking about natural law, which is the only the right to your life and it's products

>Government size has pros and cons economically.

No it doesn't -- as government can't generate wealth they will always be a burden


>For regulatory efficiency I don't really know what you're talking about, I thought the market should autoregulate as much as possible for ancaps.

As I said >>131673344, the best environment would be regulation-free, but you can still make analysis on which countries make their regulations less damaging on people

>Free movement of labour and capital is generally good but has clear cons in specific situations.

It's free association of people -- unless they're committing crimes against you and your property, you've nothing to do with them

>>131662177

It's not REAL socialism, shitlord.

>>131673553
You were making a strawman, faggot.
the pic is about pre-war economy. Mobilization for war involves the entire society, so no it's not like the US GDP.

>>131654644
They're dumb. Ancoms are worse though. I don't think a more retarded political ideology exists.
>AYY YO WE GUNNA SMASH CAPITALIZM ND DESTROY DA GUBBAMENT AND DEN WE WILL HAV ANARCHY ND COMMUSIMZM
They will literally kill and eat each other.

>>131673668

>The Vietnam farmers and the soldiers in the Mujahideen were all volunteers?

yes

>hat's not an answer to my question, by the way. I asked why volunteer armies, even ones in countries all about """liberty""" like the USA, have the draft. Please answer.

The USA isn't about liberty anymore.You forget about the constitution when it's convenient.

>It's the promise of it, being made by an authority that has the power to revoke it any time it wishes.

Who ensures your rights are other people who share your values. the State can't do anything.If, for example, the state of Saudi Arabia decided that you can't own more than one wife anymore, what do you think would happen?

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>>131657316
All redditors will have their faces peeled off by Mexican drug cartels.

>>131654644
Implying we don't physically remove people not fit for our society

The Ancap ideology in itself is a meme, it's not even anarchist since people are subjected to the rule of land owners, which make it a feudalist system.

>>131674275
There is no natural law and no right to live. Might is right.

If the government is too small to correct market inefficiencies or to reduce uncertainty by enforcing unique standards (legal tender is a good example), it is economically detrimental.

I don't want niggers in the same land as me even if they abide by the law. But I was actually thinking about other stuff, like protectionism for nascent industries or the real world impact of persisting current deficits under asymmetrical free trade.

>>131675360
>current deficits
current account deficits

>>131672661
I will put it more or less how Hoppe writes about the civilizatory process. Civilization is strongly related to time preference and its decrease as we became more productive and thus better able to look farther unto the future without worrying about immediate needs, this can extend beyond generations.
I will agree with you I can't see space exploration as viable currently,but it is most certanly a possibility in the future as time preference continues to decrease. It was not so recently that we got to a point where it might be harder to die of hunger than of obesity in some places.
>>131672851
If you are able to tell us that NASA (or any state company or tax-payer funded company) has made better use of resources than a private equivalent you take the cake. But such thing is not possible.

In both cases, just don't drop ethics (private and self property) in favour of what seems easier way to achieve an objective. You can't justify stealing property for any objective.

>>131674938
>yes
That's just a lie, then.

>The USA isn't about liberty anymore.You forget about the constitution when it's convenient.
Why do you keep dodging the question?Answer.

>Who ensures your rights are other people who share your values
And they stop ensuring your rights as soon as it means they're gonna get killed by the State
It's not the 18th century anymore.

>>131676223
>a private equivalent
The point is that there isn't any private equivalent. They don't need to make better use of resources when they have more of them by default. But they do make better use.
A private company that exists in the free market is worried about survival, first and foremost.

>You can't justify stealing property for any objective
I don't have to justify shit if I reject your notion that "you" actually owned that property in the first place.

>>131676909
>I don't have to justify shit if I reject your notion that "you" actually owned that property in the first place.

And down the path of descivilization you go.

>>131677849
>he thinks individual people owning their own property, separate from their community, is civilization.
How does it feel to be more primitive than the earliest tribals?

>>131662177
Capitalism and comunism are two sides of the same jewish coin.

Hitler's socialism was not agaist private property among other "captalist" values. Also ment to value good people over parasite scum. National socialism is not (((socialism))) nor (((captalism))) and heavily opposed (((communism))).

Ancaps are just idiots going for the "lesser evil" uncapable of understanding there are other alternatives.

>>131663860

I guess this is for you too browzilian: >>131678989

Bet you're a degenerate scum.