Redpill me on Soviet Union

>>131651250
Pretty bad, under Stalin you could be sent to siberia like nothing. In Ukraine he starved 5 million Ukranians and people resorted to cannibalism.

daily reminder that stalin =/= communism

>>131651250
Wasn't too bad in the 70s and 80s but still failed to match the greatness of the west.

>>131651486
Yes, I know Stalin was a bad person. I refer about living between the 60s and 80s

>>131651250
No wtf? It was worse. Leftwing outlets like the NYT covered up all the crimes of communist regimes. When the SSSR collapsed they were in a bigger distress than when Trump won.

The do the same shit today with Cuba btw.

>>131651250
>Was living there really that bad as americans said?
Big giant wall around it so nobody could leave.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Shit, America needs a wall to keep people OUT.

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>>131651250
Bad at times but nowhere near as bad as America liked to make it out to be

>>131651795
But that's what led to the failure of the Soviet Union, yes it dragged on for some time, but if you don't repress people they keep wanting more freedom, and eventually the USSR collapsed.

>>131651250
>>131651250
Yes
>no private property or individualism, the state monitored you the whole time
>most of your spending went to only food, as you could afford nothing else
>no freedom of press
>the people had zero power
>during Stalin, many non-russians had to give up their property to house russians
Also no, there's a majority that don't want the USSR back. Like Putin said:
>you don't have a heart if you hated the union, you don't have a brain if you want it back

>>131651250
It sucked.

>>131651593
Communism is always shit, no matter who does that.

>>131652034
>you don't have a heart if you hated the union, you don't have a brain if you want it back
This, I really don't get why you can't see that the comunist ideology might look great on paper but makes no sense in reality.

>>131651250
There were public service announcements that said something to the effect of "Reminder: Do not eat your children." This is how bad it was.

>>131652892
>There were public service announcements that said something to the effect of "Reminder: Do not eat your children."

You are confused, that was in Ukraine during the famine and was posters, not public service announcements. Also I have never been able to find evidence of these posters just second hand accounts of people saying that other people said they saw them

>>131651250
What did Americans say?
Overall it wasn't that bad, if we are talking about the period after WW2. Still pretty shit in comparison to the West.
And period between 1917 and 1947 was literally hell on Earth. Anyone who lived in that time would tell you this.

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>>131651593
Daily reminder that mudslimes and commies are in cahoots and are working together to destroy western civilization. KYS MUDSHIT.

>>131651250
It was best times for butthurbelt and caucasian republics but horrible for all others. Just like white europe and refugees analogy.

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>>131652034
Have you even read Solzhenitsyn you commie nigger? Neck yourself cuck.

>>131651250
> Was living there really that bad as americans said?

Worse, Americans can't understand how authoritarianism feels and take fair elections for granted.

>>131653332
Solzhinitsin is a literally one of the first globallist singers and story tellers. 90% of his books are bullshit. Which doesnt actually change the fact that communism was shit.

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>>131651813
This desu. Why do you think every school child knows about the "holocaust" but has no idea what the holdomor is, when way more people died in the holdomor? Fucking commie kike indoctrination camps is what public schools are.

>>131653332
Listen, I know what happened in the USSR, I know about the famine in Ukraine I'm just saying there is no evidence of these posters, Solzhenitsyn seems to be the first to mention it and everyone else is quoting him on it

>>131653223
> best times
Fuck off and take back the soviet human trash that migrated here in soviet times.

>>131653196
but im white

>>131651250
From what I've read, some things, especially in the Stalin era, were almost hell on Earth for those who experienced them. That being said, a lot of coverage of it is severely distorted by American propagandists and politically motivated stooges.

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>>131653571
Intriguing? You gotta back up that claim with something. Redpill me on solzhinitsin.

>>131653733
I will gladly see these stories about "BIG BAD EU" after you quit it.

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>>131653620
Thats what happens in a real genocidal massacre. You don't have a lot of survivors, unlike the holohoax.

>>131651486
>In Ukraine he starved 5 million Ukranians and people resorted to cannibalism.
Even wikipedia says that they starved to death 7 million, (((Anon))).

>>131653755
Still a mudslime.
Muslim is not a race.

>>131651250
Well, pretty much NK just in Russian style, a little bit better at some things but still.

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>>131653755
Then stop being a muslim for fucks sake. MUHAMMED WAS A PEDOPHILE WARLORD

>>131651250
Ran by jews who stole or did deals behind the gov back or corrupt deals that broke the state companies and the system as a result.

>>131653896
Didn't cheked, thanks for correcting me.

>>131653790
There is a book about it but i didnt read it my self. https://archive.org/details/ArchipelagoOfLies

I have read original Archipelag series by Solzhenitsin and compared it to the actual history, my familiy history and soviet/american/etc. publication over this period. Most of his tales has no comfirmation and about six gorillion tier.

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>>131651250
Public life was pretty oppressive, but the Gino coefficient was very low. In other words, at least you knew everyone was having a tough time. The best years were 1946 to 1985.

Publicly everyone was somber and depressed, but in the home it was still lively, loving and happy. A different lifestyle than in the West.

>>131653840
Fuck you again.
I actually voted against joining EU in 2003 because I saw what retarded union it starts to become.
EUSSR, fucking retarded union. It is dying btw.

>>131651813
>>131653606
*tips tinfoil*
Whenever someone brings up Stalin in a conversation, one of the first things I hear is that he apparently killed more people than Hitler or was literally Satan. In the US media, any mention of Castro is met by angry children of rich ex-Cubans who drown out any balanced opinion from other Cubans. TV and movies usually portray the Eastern Bloc as dreary, gray, joyless, soulless, and bitter. Meanwhile, nobody knows anything about the crimes of right wing regimes in Southeast Asia, Latin America, and Africa, including Stalin-tier mass killings and repression that lasted into the late 20th century.

>>131654254
Are you saying this because Solzhenitsin named the jew?

>>131654281
Anyone got a link to this book? I want to read this

>>131652718
>you don't have a heart if you hated the union
He meant the USSR was the homeland for many people, you cannot discard your childhood/youth memories and the culture you was raised in, just cos the ideology was bad.

>>131654281
Funny how nobody mentions how another prominent dissident, Andrei Sakharov, was a democratic socialist.

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>>131653620
Does it really matter if there were postern or not? People resorted to cannibalism, including their own children.
Here's pic from Volga famine. Same thing was during Holodomor.

Have two Russian friends who lived in the USSR. One managed to escape a couple years before the fall, and the other came over after. People were fucking starving, much like we see in Venezuela. Most food and other supplies, were only really available through the black market. Other than that, the people were drinking themselves to death, and aborting their children like mad - not quite a recipe for success if you want your species to survive. Economically and socially, it was a huge disaster.

People were, of course, oppressed and heavily monitored. Wasn't nearly as bad after Stalin, but still what most westerners would freak out about (if only they cared what their own countries were doing).

>>131654436
Its like name Hilary for stealing lunch boxes.

>>131654509

https://archive.org/details/SocialistPhenomenon

Best find I got

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>>131654664
This is another picture

>>131653896
7 millions is overall, not just Ukrainians. Also around 5 millions in Volga famine.

>>131651250
>Sibir
It was not only you. They would deport whole families (parents + kids) there
Food reglamentation
Overall poverty (communism is equal distribution of poverty)
Secret police doing what they want.

>>131654560
Well then take another shot at it, Ivan.
My point was made to the Commiebro that said that people are still fond of the USSR and want it back. You can look at it fondly, but wanting it back is plain retarded.

>>131654795
?
Nice dumb-playing, kike.

>>131654291
>The best years were 1946
?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1946%E2%80%9347

>>131654949
Are you retarded? Solzhenitsin was naming jews for minor stuff to cover the whole picture and redirect the anger.

>>131654416
back to r*ddit, faggot

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>>131651250
Well it depends on witch side of communism you are.. according to 95millions it was really cold

>>131655075
>le everybody is le rebbit meme
le le le ecks dee dee dee!!!!!!!11!!!!!

>>131654877
Father of my grandfather was deported to Siberia together with his wife and daughter. My grandfather and his brother hide themselves in the forests for some time and killed some bolshevik scum because of this.

Soviet Union was evil.

>>131651250
Communism was a pure 'impossible to reach' kind of utopia. But 70-80s Soviet socialism was quite OK. Sure, (over-)planning economy was a complete crap, but education, medicine and overall quality of life were OK.

>as americans said
Don't listen to. Pindosians tend to overreact to things.

>>131655471
>quality of life were OK
gl checking that "OK" at least once in your lifetime

>>131654797
Thanks, way better than the shitty PDF I found.

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*ummmmm.... did you just say you don't like communism anon?

>>131655529
Still worse then Nazism,

>>131655040
He named jew for whole kike bolshevik shit that happened to your kin in this happening.
He was right in this, btw.

And I am glad my ancestors kicked those bolsheviks out in our 1918-1920 independence war. Our damages from kike bolshevik shit compared to your damages from it are minor. Bolsheviks pretty much annihilated your nation brains and soul and replaced it with imaginary soul of a soviet human being - the slave man with small head and muscular body.

>>131654929
>wanting it back is plain retarded
agreed, but still I wouldn't judge old folks too harshly for missing the old days (Brezhnev era was not that bad for the majority). They lost their homeland in a matter of years, everything had gone: culture, jobs, stability+the Milton Friedman's capitalism in the 90s was a nightmare.

>>131655471
Flooding other countries with migrants is not ok.
Soviet Union sucked from the start to the end.

>>131655890
As far as I remember he intentionally completely removes any identities of actual criminals and turns by the end of the book to the idea that "kikes are bad but evil russians actually did most of it to themselves voluntarely".

>>131651250
I don't know what Americans said. I know what my people have lived through. If you knew as well, you wouldn't need any redpilling. You would hate it with all your might.
...Unless you're a communist, of course, then rational arguments won't apply to you.

>>131656185
Are you talking about this book?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together

>>131656039
I've read a book about the dissolution of the soviet union by Svetlana Aleksievic, it's mainly intervies of so called "sovok". I think that it gives a good picture of why people still remember fonly of the USSR, expecially if compared to the 90's. But I'm really against anyone who wants to take back this dead ideology that cause a lot of suffering.

>>131656493
Im about the main course.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago

>>131656695
OK then.
Solzhenitsin is "out of fashion" because the Two Hundred Years Together.

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>>131653790
>incite disloyalty during wartime, which would get you executed in UK
>spend 8 years in tolerable conditions
>get your cancer treated
>get out and write some bullshit about how horrible of a people that did it to you were

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>>131651250

Ruled by the iron first is by no means a happy life style. Russians and their ideology are as much cancerous to the world as Islam is. They're pretty much equal at degeneration and sub-humanism when it comes to the value of their contribution to the humanity.

>>131651250
Why do you ask actually?

>>131651250
Post Stalin life in the USSR was only as bad as being lower middle class. The commieblock era was 1920-1960

>>131655595
Oh, right, sure, scary tales pro in the thread.

>>131651250
Communism was a pyramid scheme. Do the math yourself.

>>131657794
You misspelled capitalism.

>>131656042
>Flooding other countries with migrants is not ok
Then ask chancelor Merkel to stop flooding Estonia.
>Soviet Union sucked from the start to the end.
From 1982 to the end I'd rather say.

>>131656672
>dead ideology
It's never about ideology, it's about specific way of life, people around, culture. If we assume that Americans one day will loose their homeland to spics altogether and the country will be transformed into another socialist paradise, will they cry over the loss of the free market capitalism or the changes in their neighborhood, in social values? I think the latter.

>>131658062
EU is a huge problem, agreed.

>>131658018
Whatever you say, memeflag. I just always found it funny that top brass in the communist party was substantially more 'equal' than the rest of the people.

>>131657535
>The commieblock era was 1920-1960

burger knows, lol
in fact the commieblock era is 1960-present

>>131651250
Perhaps that after Stalin it wasn't that bad. My parents who were born in the 70s say that everything was going good in the 70s and 80s. It probably is that they were kids and had no idea of the bigger picture.

>>131651250
Gulag Archipelago.

Read now.

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No, but "cultural victory" in Civilization-games-terms made this complicated mix of lie, conjectures and true pseudo-real.

>>131655234
>le i am everybody meme

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>>131651250
actually it was quite comfy

>>131653606
>Muh holodohoax

Get fucked brainlet

Commie kikes massacred 20 million white Christian Russians proior but hohols try to act as if their deaths were special, morover claim it was an ethnic cleasning perpetuated by muh Russia

Holodohoax is just another propaganda tool against antiglobalist Russia , just as the holohoax against the goyim

If you seriously claim golodhoax is being supressed by ((them))) you're a literal CRETIN
Muh holodoax is what Russian Jews who incidentally tend to be libshits whine about 24/7

>>131658951
Every time is see this picture i wanna get out my makarov that I got from my grandfather and shoot that bitch.
My grandfather, he used to be a commie, but a based commie.
He hated gays and feminists and had pictures of stalin and mao in his apartment in stockholm.
He ranted about random things and screamed at the TV alot, waking the whole family sometimes during the night.
But he was kind, i really miss him.

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>>131651250
The Soviet Union was very incompetent and confused, but from a traditionalist perspective it did many things in a more moral way than us (the west). For one homosexuality and the other progressive insanity was actually banned and suppressed, and the film industry was focused on making nationalistic and historical movies instead of the constant degeneracy of Hollywood. The other positive aspect of the USSR was that all of the companies and businesses within the Union were uniquely Russian and sovereign, there were no multinationals held by NGOs or globalist billionaires. It was also very nationalist, as was the eastern block. The negatives were very connected with the positives. They suppressed religion and traditional culture, but then tried to make the people feel nationalistic, an that just doesn't work. That all being layed out, though they were brutal, many of the worst stories you hear about the Soviets aren't true, just like with Nazi Germany and any of America's Arab enemies.

Living in the USSR was fine.

SJWs, libertarians, liberals and other degenerates were sent to the gulag.

>>131651250
Many people starved to death. There were the Gulogs and the 5 year plan where there were punishments for not meeting quotas.

>>131662630
>Gulags everywhere
>5 year plan where there were punishments for not meeting quotas
LOL )))

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>>131659865
Most of the older Commies were always quite socially conservative, shame about the economic stuff tbqh

Nazism is way better than communism, living under communism sucks ass but in nazism atleast one group of people have decent life

>>131663445
>Nazism is way better than communism, living under communism sucks ass
Sorry for telling this to you bro but it seems for me that you baltic people managed to suck both dicks back in the days ))

It was no trouble in smaller villages but bad enough for my family to still come to America

>>131660292
>it sucked if you gay

>>131651250
The Soviet Union had the 2nd largest nominal GDP from 1960-1985 and 3rd largest in 1990, 2nd largest per capita GDP 1980-1990.

>>131651250
on USSR people worked 4 days per week. had guaranteed minimum of 1 month paid vacation. you could take more time off if you wanted.

daily 4 hour lunch break

guaranteed a job

healthcare was free
4+ months of maternity
no taxes, neither was there private taxes in form of "insurance" (car insurance, health insurance)

free high quality education etc

casual sex with co-workers, and cavities were air-tight, pristine, and self-lubricating back then

no 3hr rush hour freeway traffic, people just used public transport were you got hookups with goddesses on a daily

some work was hardcore, some work was symbolic (as a means to employee homeless people)
alot of beauracracy meant more workers, more work meant guaranteed job to all

>>131664829
taxes were non-existent. people were paid a fixed sum set by the state, no tax collection on workers.

>>131659865

Seriously, the Soviet Union under Stalinism was indeed a conservative paradise
Economical boom for a whole decade, strong abundance of family values, no degeneracy, traditional society with healthy model of femininity, heroic and maculine requirement
Nationalistic, anti-immigration, free education for every citizen
They managed to destroy the Germanic and fought like lions for their own motherland
I don't understand the hate towards them on /pol/

Well under capitalism you need to wait 30 years to pay off a home. You spend more on food than you do on shelter, and Chinese sweatshop workers work 12 hour shifts to make jeans instead of your fellow countrymen.

I talked to people who lived in Communist Ukraine and he said that before if you worked, you were guaranteed food, shelter, etc. This made people willing to make families.

Now under Capitalist Ukraine people gradually get poorer and poorer every year while the rich get richer and richer. People are not breeding anymore because they're too poor to, they don't have the resources anymore. I see the same thing happening here in America, people aren't breeding anymore because they're poor and they know it.

>>131651593
This. Stalin was a good boi.

>>131665179
people worked for themselves and traded their goods for other goods. everyone was able to get a house or food. people even built their own streets. small communities where formed where people helped each other and provided themselves with everything they needed. no need for welfare. these spoiled niggers, who think that their so called "democracy" is better, don't know what real work is, they don't know what it means to help other people, these fuckers need money to buy some useless shit that doesn't even provide something useful for themselves. hurhurhur communism is bad hurrhurr democracy is good hurhur let's pay 1000 dollars for some useless shit and then complain that we don't get enough money for sitting on our asses and doing nothing hurhurr ...
btfo you democracy loving brainwashed shitheads

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>>131659862

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>>131651250
nah man

>>131654081
Anyone have the full size of this? I collect Mohammed fucking pigs

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>>131666018
haha I was just about to post that

>>131654676
>be eastern european
>have family that has been working hard in factories, design bureaus and farms to build socialism
>human-louse who slacked whole his life under communism tries to tell me communism doesn't work and Rothschild and Goldman Sachs is our lord and saviour

>>131651250
The Soviets would propagandize racial segregation in the US while they themselves had more segregated schools and ethnically exclusive communities, often purposely to shitty areas to replace the cleansed ethnic groups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

>>131665179
Why do you lie?