This thread is a safe space for lefty pol discussions Pls, no

>>131640087
Move to sweden

>>131640087
First step would be to nationalize healthcare

>>131640087
You faggots are the ones who broke it in 1965

https://youtu.be/Vo_o43mVNy4

Kys

>>131640087
First Step: Kill yourselves

Mission Complete

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>*mumbles incoherently*
What did he mean by that?

>>131640362
wow so edgy! bet your parents are proud that you are so brave on the internet! you truly don't give a fuck!

>>131640087
Isn't America a lefty heaven right now?

>>131640087
100% Authentic Macho!

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>>131640087

>>131640531
uuuuhhhhhhh usa is uhhhhhhhh a failed state uhhhhhhh

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Pretty simple fix reeally

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>>131640560
faggot

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>>131640780

>>131640292
>blaming people for something their ancestors did is a legitimate strategy
>blaming people for something they themselves did in the past is just silly
I hate you.

>>131640231
Das it mane
Now, how?
>>131640292
>>131640362
>>131640780
>>131640830
>>131640846
>anti bully ranger activate.gif
Pls
Stop
No bully
Not nice

>>131640087

by using brain

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>>131640937

>>131640531
>>131640789
I understand him just fine, what's wrong?

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THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG AND EVERYTHING RIGHT ABOUT CHOMSKY'S CONCEPTION OF LIBETARIAN SOCIALISM

NOW GO BACK TO PLEBBIT OR READ BOOKCHIN

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>>131641120

>>131641126
Spotted the autist

>>131640087
What is with the slide threats, something interesting happening?

>>131641211
>nothing wrong and everything right about Chomksys conception of libertarian socialism
:3

>>131640087
To fix it, just keep on dividing conservative safe spaces like /pol/.

>Everyone who supports Trump is from Reddit
>Everyone who's not liberal is a neocon
>Pretend to be a stormfag dissatisfied with Trump not going full 1488
>post kekistan cringe threads

Seems to be working.

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>>131640087

1. arrest Rupert Murdoch for treason and sedition and waterboard him 85 times

2. break up the two-party duopoly with ranked choice voting to allow third parties to have real influence even if they dont win

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>>131641373
You faggots aren't doing shit.

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>>131640231

>ancom flag
>nationalize healthcare

>>131640231
Agreed. Get your shit together America

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>>131640087

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>>131641635

>>131641469
>treason and sedition
He's not American, he's Australian
He is carrying out the largest banter baiting in history
>ranked choice
Do you mean preferential voting, like Australia?

Also,
>muh middle class
Why do Americans deny they have or are part of a working class?

MOLYMEME BTFO!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45vGBs58TDw

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>>131641047
GO BACK TO >>>/s4s/ YOU NIGGERFAGGOT

>>131640087
We must first recognize that government's sole claim to legitimacy is the protection of private property.

>>131641793
that violates the NAP

>>131641967
communists aren't people. They don't get a NAP

Kill all anarchist fags who call themselves ((antifa)) and also kill all right wing spooks who think they can have everything and make a proper socialist communist system

>>131641694
Anarchism is the end goal
How do get there?
Go out into the streets with guns and rocks?
Top kek.
>Organise, organise, organise.
~ Eugene V. Debs
It is unfortunately going to have to be a process of pushing the existing institutions to be more democratic, forcing government to compel to the will of the population rather than serving elite interests, organising in one community and union, educating people so that when the institutions won't go any further they want to replace them and know how to and what to do
That's the only way, people doing it themselves once they've come to understand and want democratic control

And what all this means is yes advancing social democratic/democratic socialism policies in the meantime because they do create a more just more democratic society and alleviate people's suffering

>>131641896
because the bourgeois vs. working class model is complete nonsense full of arbitrary exceptions and income is a more accurate way for grouping social interests

You guys are pretty gay.

>>131641967
So do free helicopter rides
>>131642102
Voila

>>131642102
>communists aren't people

So you're admitting you have no intellectual honesty and are unreasonable and dumb.

>>131642235
>more democratic
>more just
pick one and only one

Kill all commie scum

>>131642182
Can't even control your kids anymore. You've grown weak, old man.

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>>131640087
>How do we fix America?

What if we implement Socialism. I heard it's working extremely well in Venezuela.

>>131642182
The antifa kids mean well and have real concerns, but are very antagonistic
Which seems to come from talking to them from short attention spans and expecting instant gratification
TV/video game generation I think

>>131642271
>and income is a more accurate way
Well that just reinforces what I said

>>131640087
Bomb syria

>>131642392
Why not both :3

fcking antifa ruining the anarchist picture even more, of course i understand the idea of anarchism as said by marx or bagunin but we need to achieve that with socialist systems and you have to be P A T I E N T i dont want to live in anarchy because all the cucks and shit but as a tankie i am truly in support of revolution, i wont live fortunately long enough to see anarchy work (lets hope it wont)

>>131642401
Shoo

>>131640087
Gas the kikes

ni dieu, ni maître

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>>131641867

>>131641579
why do so many Nazis look like Ed Harris,
coincidence?

>>131641373
This

>>131642531
true
i support them in a way only because they are left and in favor of the revolution
and truly they are expecting that the government will suddenly flip and yuhee anarchy is the new order, but it doesnt work like that.

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>>131642932

>>131642822
You know if you every manage to get a country to go anarchist sooner or later someone would just make a strong force to take over again

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>>131642961


His accent in Enemy at the Gates was awful.

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this thread

>>131642235
>how do we get to the end goal of no government ?
>more government

>>131643010
they think the "people" will stop them from taking over
Thats why we need socialism, it doesnt work like that.

>>131642785
I'd be afraid of being in an anarchist society with them, if all they know for resolving conflict is screaming and throwing fists what are they going to do the moment someone disagrees or doesn't want them participating? Or, dare I say it, triggers them? It would be Lenin taking over all over again

Why are they so juvenile, aside from being kids of course?
Are there agent provocateurs stirring this up?
The campus lectures that started this were funded by a group funded by the Kochtapus and Robert Mercer. Was the intention to create a backlash?

>>131642832
Dear mods
Every thread on /pol/ is rightwing
Can't we have one safe for left discussion without sliding troll and insult posts?

>>131643159
yeah that worked really well for the USSR even China decided to transition to capitalism

>>131640087
By getting the fuck out of America.

There's no fucking safe space for leftists in here.

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>>131643105
>>131643088

Leftist scum just didn't/don't have the aesthetics that the Nazi's did.

>>131641469
No. Fuck this shit.

Enforced community constitutions and an entire reworking of American democracy to the point of near direct democracy. If delegates to congresses fail to uphold the ideals of the people there must be absolute, unequivocal impeachment of that individual and immediate re-election.

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>>131643288

you can't

>>131642961
He's actually a pretty lefty guy

>>131642364
>AHHOAHOEAHOEAOHOHE
What did the communist subhuman mean by this?

>>131643010
Ever heard of the Swiss defence?

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>>131643344

>>131643143
Literally no understanding of the Federal Anarchist model. The ideal of Anarchism is not necessarily the lack of a state but of a state that has bottom-up hierarchies rooted in voluntarily granted power.

Only reasonable way to achieve communism now is to go full acceleracionism and let capitalism crash and burn on its own

>>131643143
Anarchism doesn't simply mean no government in a Mad Max Somalia free for all, it means people having democratic control over their community and workplace

>>131643464
Yeah, a bit more and with luck you'll end up like Venezuela, with guys throwing granades from helicopters while the residents hunt rats to eat.

>>131643464
Impossible. (((they))) need (((socialist))) safety nets to keep the people in their place. A vanguard and forced revolution is the only solution

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>>131643420

>>131643143
Government is what you make it
Like making it responsive to the needs of the population rather than a wealthy few

>>131640087
AMERICAN IS PIG DISGUSTING

>>131640087
How about all you commies move to California and stop imposing your commie garbage on us.

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>>131643585

We kill all the lefties in america

>>131643556
Where the government owns the means of production? That's not socialism. That's private ownership of the means of production, not the means of production owned by the workers that actually work them.

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>>131643636

>>131643407
pretty sure they aren't anarchists

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>>131643288
:3

>>131640087
2020 Elections:

Hilldawg
Bernie
The Rock
Pocahontas
Eric Holder
(((Zuckerberg)))

Two Scoops! Woot!

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>>131643691

>>131643665
And that will never happen, because communism means no goverment, no one to enforce anything, that's why everytime it ends up in a dictatorship.
At least try your experiments in Africa, that way when the purges begin, no one of value will die.

>>131640087
As expected, right wingers are so intimidated in their safe space that they can't even follow simple directions to not shit up the thread with their hate speech.

There is no fixing America, we can slow the decline but eventually the whole thing is going to collapse. We simply cannot function in the modern world while we have so many still clinging to their traditions and superstitions out of fear of change.

Basically, enjoy it while you can and take what you can take before the collapse. Have enough money saved for a plane ticket to New Zealand or Western Europe. Try to keep the right wing away from their quest for world war 3. Really all you can do.

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>tfw no leftfu

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>>131643837

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>>131640087
Revert the '80 and '90 deregulations, reintroduces the Glass-Steagall, go back to the 1950 riches tax rates.
If the riches refuse, pic related

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>>131643891

>>131643791
Again. You do not understand the federal anarchist model. Bakunin and Kropotkin were referred to as "Federalists" before taking on the term "Anarchist" because, again, Anarchists believe in a federal, voluntary state that enforces the will of the people through representation.

>>131643143
While they aren't socialist or anarchist, social democratic policies like national healthcare and progressive tax structure and all the rest share the same common ideals of solidarity and mutual aid

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>>131643941

>>131640087
Start with never acknowledging anything Chomsky has ever said as useful, because Chomsky is a retard.

>>131643947
As I said, if you are going to try your experiments, do them in a place where no one will miss the inevitable deaths.

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>>131643976

>>131643791
>everytime
But its never been done
You want a real example, look at the recovered factories in Argentina or the Mondragon in Spain

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>>131640087
/leftypol/ btfo

>>131640087
Eat more Pizza Hut and more money to Israel!

>>131640087
>So. How do we fix America?
We wait for you to start your commie revolution and then we ruthlessly crush you. Your party is already dead, the Marxist rebels are next.

>>131643820
>Western Europe
HAHAHAHAHA leftards are gonna fuck that shit up so much you might as well think you're in ME fella

>>131643960
But you're still just mending the bullshit that capitalism has to offer.

>>131643998
>refute your argument by stating that anarchism is rooted in a democratic state with legitimate hierarchies that enforce law
>repeats the exact same thing

>>131643903
I find your views interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter

>>131641211
>libertarian socialism

Aka, I'm too much of a pussy to be an anarchist so I'm a commie instead but I use different words to sound smarter than the proles.

>>131643249
Keep it up, left wing threads are starting to get better with less unfunny shitposting by nazis

>>131644127
Yes I have, as you said, it's never been tried, so do your experiments in non-civilized countries so when you fuck everything up, no one of value suffers.

>>131643979
You have an entire board
This is one thread
Why do you have to shit it up?

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>>131640087
keep chasing the magical utopia at the end of the rainbow that is communism you fucking nutjobs

>>131643998
>the inevitable deaths

What about all the suffering and deaths from imposing free market deregulation reforms?

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>>131640087
Eat more Pizza and more money to Israel the Rothschild won't do it alone with China

>>131640346
Is he doing an Arnold impersonation?

>>131643249
No, you can't, it's politically incorrect, you represent the opposite of that.
You want to bend over to everyone and fill your countries with sandniggers and niggers themselves.

I guess you haven't had enough with the millions your beloved Stalin executed.

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>>131644010

>>131644052
>if I post a lot of trolling shit and pictures I will bitch them the fuck out

>>131644262
At least that suffering doesn't come because of your weapons and because of forcefully importing other, cancerous cultures.

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>>131644191

>>131644195
>come to pol as a gommunist
>expect to not be ridiculed for following a fairytale utopian ideology

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>>131644319

>>131644095
What party?

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>>131644195
If you can't handle your shitty ideas getting dumped on, go back to your safe space. It's not my obligation to make you comfortable.

You asked how to fix USA and anything left is 100% not the way.

You have made no proposals just cried about bullies. Bring an argument or topic to the table how about.

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>>131644373

Fuck off to /int/ with this
Your kind isn't welcome in these parts

>>131644127
Its a step by step process

>>131644195
Why are you here at all?

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>>131644414

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>>131640087

Kill yourselves.

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>>131640087
I want a bloody harmonious multicultural society of fair proportions of each human ethnicity to engage in labor to produce goods and services for my sim city economy , but apparently the liberal elites just wanted to turn America into a working class of brown hordes and passive traps so fuck you liberals and im still building my racially harmonious sim city

>>131644484
wtf I want to be purged by Stalin and fill my countries with immigrants now

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>>131640087
Take Hillary's loss, the shaming of CNN, and the stupidity of Evergreen, Think about these things while you throw away useless identity politics, and screaming to solve problems. You will probably find yourself in a more centered and balanced state of mind. You will then be ready to lead again, because the wingnuts on the right are losing their minds and want to kill 20 million of us to give tax cuts to the rich.

>>131640638
Technically everywhere is a safe haven for them, even your country doesn't jail them so idk what you're talking about

>>131644441
And that process doesn't include quelling the masses with (((socialism))). If we're to be reformists, we need to reform the actual model of American democracy to include things that the federal anarchists actually wanted. That means destroying all state ownership of the means of production and enforcing worker direct ownership.

>>131644343
>its okay when the wealth creators policies have a byproduct of killing people
>at least it doesn't come from my pet peeves that are made up to distract me
Did your parents drive an older car that still used leaded gas?

The vast majority of health problems are due to long term lifestyle choices. Socialized healthcare is literally paying to cover the bill for the consequences of a lifetime of sloth and gluttony for tens of millions

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>>131644509

>>131644602
So basically, either indirectly kill your own population, or directly kill it and fill your countries with immigrants that hate you.

>>131644242
>keep chasing the magical utopia
If we deregulate more everything will turn out fine!
If we remove EPA regulations on water pollution the companies won't dump toxins into the drinking water!
Etc

>>131640087
Sage

>>131644262
>What about all the suffering and deaths from imposing free market deregulation reforms?

Post examples.

>>131640087

Having a deep voice can get you very far with stupid ideas apparently.

>>131644383
The democrat party is the de-facto Marxist party in this country. Don't pretend it isn't.

>>131640087
YOU don't get to. You had 8 years and divided it more than ever, abandoned white America and became so arrogant that corruption ruled the day. It'll be awhile before you have any say in how America works. Tough breaks faggot.

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I leave this shot here cause you poor memory

>>131641867
best one

>>131644195

Communists are devil kin and deserve no quarter

>>131644603
True anarchists don't want anything state owned.

>>131644676
he's not wrong

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>>131644414
How did that become this

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>>131644649

>>131640087
End the racism and hatred and patriarchy by killing all straight white men.

>>131644721
>wants state ownership
>Marxist

get the fuck out with this meme

>>131644721
>The democrat party is the de-facto Marxist party

Fucking lol. Democrats are centre-right

>>131644800
So you are marxists?
Why do you want to fill countries with niggers and terrorists who don't do anything but live on welfare?

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>>131644680
Wow, ebin!
I never claimed any of that shit!
If we're going to start doing this, I'd prefer not being shot in the back of the head and buried in a shallow grave for not being loyal enough to the revolution.

>>131644864
We all should be democratic pragmatists. The ideal of conforming to certain philosophies for the sake of conformity is illegitimate. We want democracy at the forefront of the economy and state. It not only makes us Marxists, but Jeffersonians, Proudhonians, Anarchists, Socialists, and Federalists.

>>131644858
You've lost your fucking mind. This is why you aren't worthy of debate, only defeat. Please get the commie revolution going now, so you can all get shot.

>>131644753

But they DO want collectively paid healthcare, along with everything else. When you distribute away the consequences of your actions, personal notions of accountability go out the window. Why take care of yourself if the collective will take care of you? Why try hard at your job if it will not improve your standard of living, or that of your family?

>>131640087
Ressurect Columbus and close it fuck down.

>>131645050
You seem to have ignored my question, why do you want to fill countries with niggers and terrorists who don't do anything but live on welfare?

>>131644268
He's pouring milk on a Hillary Clinton flag and mailing it to Jeb Bush

>>131644858
Right wingers in America are a bunch of retards, don't be surprised.

>>131644582
Does a national healthcare system improve people's lives?
Does OSHA improve working conditions?
Do you oppose them because they come from the government and supporting them legitimises the governments authority? No of course not, its about building a better society.


As for worker self management a lot of people forget that when the government bailed out GM after the GFC it essentially owned it
One of things it could have done was retool the plants to build something the country actually needs, like public transit rolling stock, and hand them over to the communities that depend on them to survive
Another thing it could have done was reconstitute the company, dismantle everything and send it abroad and enrich the shareholders

Well we know which option was selected, and the reason is there is no organised population or strong union movement

>>131645077
>Please get the commie revolution

I didn't say I was a commie and the democrats are centre-right, at least as most of the world defines it

>>131644574
>Hillary
>left
This is one of the deep breath green text moments

>>131640087
Tax the (((1%))).

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>>131644754

>cherry picking
>subversive jews destroying euro/white/nationalist identities

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>>131644754
>>131645321

>>131644603
Being poor, working long hours for little pay, having high stress, and not having access to decent food or healthcare is a long term lifestyle choice

>>131644484
">hatred of the vulnerable"

And here is exactly the problem. Subtle, isn't it? The vast majority of people despise leeches. NOT the "vulnerable."

People have nothing but sympathy and pity for those down on their luck. The problem is when those people become malevolent and stop trying to improve and become actively against the general population because of some indignant rightneosness they feel.

This is the fundamental problem with Chomsky. He's ultimately just making plays for power based on subjectively deciding who is "vulnerable" in his eyes.

How can anyone think this guy is worth listening to?

>>131645230
Regardless how 4chan defines your chosen flag, it's an anarcho-communist flag.

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>>131645367

>>131645129
We want what the people want. If the people want niggers and terrorists, they shall have them. If the people want a race of whites, they shall have one. Welfare is out of the question. Ideally the federal anarchist state would provide nothing to the people that syndicates cannot provide for them. If the people are the economy, the state need provide nothing.

>>131645100
Anarchists do not want any private ownership. That includes state ownership. I believe in the free market (provided the people are the market) and it is from thence that reform and care derive.

>>131645196
>it's about building a better society
No. Those reforms are part of a statist model that needs total and utter reconstruction. The authority structure is top-bottom as opposed to bottom-up. This is why the government fails to support the people (as it should) and instead supports moneyed interests above them. Just because those interests overlap with the people's interests every so often does not mean our system "works." It means the people get lucky.

>>131644674
Why are the immigrants coming from Mexico?
For a start they're not actually coming from Mexico, they're coming from further south, Guatamala and Colombia and Nicaragua and SL Salvador
And they are coming because of what Raygun did to their countries in the 1980s

And how bout them Middle East migrants in Europe, how many of them would be coming if there was no conflict in Syria being egged on by the West?

This obsession with immigrants of yours is very blinkered and misdirected and ignores basic reality

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>>131645378

You can eat top ramen every night and not get fat if you don't eat 5 of them.

>>131644700
The American senate is about to vote on 22 million examples

>>131645378
Decent food is INSANELT fucking cheap. A pack of pork chops is less than $7.00. Pork chops are lean with good protein and fat and mineral content.

A few hunks of romaine lettuce, an onion and some apples and vinegar would run you maybe 8 bucks.

That's plenty "decent". The fact is people are too fucking lazy to even prep a salad themselves, let alone turn an oven or bbq on.

>>131645593
Yet the only thing you marxists do is force diversity in every single one of your propaganda presentations.

>>131645629
I don't care where they come from, or why they come from, they do not belong here, and anyone who tries to come deserves to get shot.
Want a better life?
How about those lazy fucks work to improve their countries?
Because they do not come here for a better life, they come here to leech, and leeches have to be purged.

>>131645705
That sure sounds healthy

>>131644721
The Democrats are the Less Extreme Faction of the Business Party you brain dead hick

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>>131645787
What are your standards for "healthy" - quit being uselessly vague.

>>131645593

The free market cannot exist without private ownership. Competitiveness can ONLY be driven by material incentive or fear of punishment.

>>131640231
Why do you believe, that Washington D.C could come up with a universal healthcare plan that would fit and work in every state?

California's tax base is not the same as Vermont's. Mississippi's health problems are not the same as Montana's.

The federal government cannot provide the united states with universal healthcare and would fail trying to do something so ridiculously heavy handed.

>>131644728
>you had 8 years
Implying democrats or Obama are left
>and divided it even more
>if I pathologically oppose everything and engage in veiled racist rhetoric, its you who is dividing the country
This is what Fox does to people
>so arrogant that corruption ruled the day
Muh rhetoric

>>131645798
In regards to government control, the democrat answer is always more, unless the topic is immigration. The republican party is right behind them, with a few exceptions.

>>131645856
How about not eating top ramen every night like that guy just said

>>131640087
Easy, kill BLOMPF and make college and healthcare free. Also rich people have to share their money with us common people

>>131645786
That's because they want this bs reformist heterodox Marxism that's focused on diversity. Marx was focused on the worker. Not black people, not women. Work is life and death of man, and it should be the goal of every Marxist to reform working conditions primarily and leave the rest to the people.

>>131645880
But it can. Suppose a syndicate of workers exists. They own the means of production they work. It's public because other don't own that production, and it's not private because a single individual or group doesn't own it. Every individual that works it owns it. They are free to compete in the market and to make as much as they desire.

>>131645720
>The American senate is about to vote on 22 million examples
>all 22 million would suffer and die if they were not covered there is no difference between them

Really? That's your argument? The cost of healthcare is going through the roof because it is subsidized.

>>131646053
Yet you won't, because the marxist movement is completely controlled by SJWs.

>>131645077
Are you 13 years old?

>>131646111
And that, my friend, is the problem that the vanguard attempts to solve.

>>131645787

If you get 50 gs protein, enough fiber, and not too much sugar, it basically does not fucking matter what your food is. Corn and beans are enough to thrive by themselves. Though going for a jog a couple times a week helps to, if your job isn't physically demanding.

>>131646078
His reality is holding a gun up to your head telling you to pay for these suffering creatures in order to them to survive a little longer and vote democrat.

Let them die.

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>>131640087
>How do we fix America?

Kill the Jews

>>131645378
What does anarchist know about long working hours? Writing manifestos is not a job.

>>131646170
You are not attempting to solve anything.
You are just another branch of modern idealism, people who talk a fuckload on the internet, but never do anything about it.

>>131646027
He said you CAN.

You know that sometimes you have to sacrifice in tough times right?

Sometimes you can't eat a big t-bone every night.

You dont have to eat only ramen every night ever unless you're useless and shopping and food prep even when you are broke.

What is "healthy" to you?

You sound like the typical leftist unable to conceive any nuance past muh fee fees.

>>131646138
Judging by your anarcho-commie flag, odds are real good I'm over twice your age.

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>>131640087
>This thread is a safe space for lefty pol discussions

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Even more proof that liberals are fucking mentally retarded. THIS IS /pol/ YOU FUCKING R.EDDIT FAG!!!

>>131645490
People have been taught to hate """welfare""" and invoke racist canotations
But then you ask about the poor and needy and children and elderly and single parents, and oh my yes they need help

Maybe there is also a bit of projection going on here with rightwingers?
Maybe they assume everyone is leeching and trying to con them because that's how they engage in society and one of their defences is assuming everyone else is doing it too so they might as well do it first

>>131646193
>If you get 50 gs protein, enough fiber, and not too much sugar, it basically does not fucking matter what your food is

Well kinda, macros and vitamins are important too. There is a lot more you need from food than just protein and fiber

>>131646295
>What is "healthy" to you?

Do you really need me to define healthy dude? I never said anyone should be eating a fucking t-bone every night

>>131646267
It's poor to make assumptions. My goal is to organize a vanguard. if I fail, I fail. But I will die trying.

>>131646053

Syndicates are just corporations in which the employees hold the stocks. They take monitary profit from the success of their particular syndicate. This is at odds with Marxism. It's essentially just a slightly different buisiness model.

>>131645593
>No. Those reforms are part of a statist model that needs total and utter reconstruction.
You push the institutions as far as they will go and when they not go any further that's when people are educated and organised and can replace them with something else that will respond to their needs

You leftist niggers are killing the US.

I hope when the Trumpenreich comes, all of you useless idiots end up in an interment camp.

>>131644167
libertarian socialism is an anarchist school or thought, dummy
>heh calling you ideology the most accurate name is stupid xDDD

>>131646326
This is my problem with anarco/communism.

There is no such thing as Anarchy and Communism. Because there is no equality amongst men. So in any Anarchist situation tooth and claw Darwinism will always rule this planet and the hierarchical structure of the natural world assures us of class rule.

>>131646419
Yes, I need you to define healthy for the sake of argument. You are the one who brought it up as a pain point.
If you are not willing to back it up or define it then fucking leave.
Without doing so all you are doing is making appeals to utopia.

>>131644484
Oh, I know that guy it is Choam 'Venezuela is some sort of exotic drink' Nomski

Also
>vulnerable
I thought you people are usually calling them 'inbred redneck suburban and rural retards' or 'fucking bigoted trailer trash' in your upper class college circles.

>>131646520

No. It's a cowardly way of saying anarchist.

Libertarianism is inherently NOT socialist. It is based entirely on NO regulation.

>>131646547
>Yes, I need you to define healthy

Jesus christ. Okay, balanced diet, enough vitamins and macros, not suffering from disease, not obese or malnourished etc. etc.

>>131646419

The only macro that matters is protein, where you get the rest of your calories is unimportant, as long as it's not too much simple sugar. Nobody counts or is even aware of their fucking micros. If they're worried, supplemental vitamins are dirt cheap.

>>131645786
>I don't care why
Is babby twiggered?
>they do not belong here
>the indiginous people of the Americas do not belong here
What did he mean by this?
>how about those lazy fucks work to improve their countries
Well they tried that once and Washington assaulted them
See this is those facts you don't care about
The USA destroyed their societies and they have to head north to find work
What's the old saying, they who pluck out the people's eyes now begat them for their blindness?

>>131646465
Anarcho-syndicalism is the model that I adhere to. Maybe that's not marxist then, but it's what I adhere to, with certain exceptions for industry that can be run by single individuals like shoe-making or something handicraft of that nature.

>>131646506
But UBI (welfare) will literally solve these problems and it's the most likely outcome of automation. At the same time it will lead to perpetual slavery to the state and to the rich. The institution cannot and will not be pushed further.

>>131646421
It's poor to trust in the capacity to do anything of modern idealism outside of complaints on social media.

>>131646421
I hope you will die trying, painfully.

>Marx was focused on the worker

He took a giant steaming pile of shit on any worker he ever met.

>>131640087

I hear nooses are cheap. hell, you might even get funding from others as lefties prefer for the noose.

>>131646675
My point is the phrase "libertarian socialist" is nonsensical.

You're either a libertarian, or a socialist they don't make sense to connect. A libertarian is inherently capitalist. An anarchist is inherently somewhat socialist.

They don't agree with each other

>>131646675

the Americanized definition of libetarianism is not the actual definition of libertarianism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxbeyn2xMQE

>>131640087
Your day will come liberal pig.

>>131645880
Competitiveness can be driven by inquisitiveness
Are scientists questioning and testing purely because they need a roof over their head?
No, they're intetested in what they find and want to solve problems

I think you have hit upon the unspoken premise of lolbertarians, a vicious hate of working people and belief that they are lazy and slovenly and thieving and must be compelled through deprivation to work

>>131646790
What's the alternative?

>>131646780
>the bastard offspring of natives and spaniards
>indigenous

>>131646726
Okay so it's 13 bucks for months supply of vitamins. You can but potatoes, onions, lettuce and meat for 3-5 days a week for less than a 24 of beer.

What is so expensive about that?

>>131646780
>the indiginous people of the Americas do not belong here
North American natives barely exist anymore, and the South Americans have South America, if they are shitholes, work and improve them.
Otherwise they will only know how to transform places into shitholes.

>>131646786

So basically, you want a non-existent government to force people to distribute the use of tools of an arbitrary level of size or sophistication among an arbitrarily sized syndicate, because somehow this will help poor people with no marketable skills

>>131647002
Actually doing something.
No, shitposting on twitter or other websites is not "doing something".
No, flipping over a bunch of trash cans is not "doing something".

>>131646018
>is always more
Wrong they have been following the deregulation roll back agenda ever since the 80s

And government is what you make it, you talk about it as if its a living entity

>>131646078
Costs per capita are cheaper everywhere else and they all have national healthcare in one form or another
The USA is alone in this mania

If premiums are high to do you shut the whole thing and also shut Medicaid down, or do you fix that?
Or do you look at how to fix that, and wich political party has been mangling its operation and funding out of petty spite?

>>131646999
>Are scientists questioning and testing purely because they need a roof over their head?
Yes, that and vanity. I'm a biotech fag, I work with molecular biologists, cancer researchers, biostatisticians, and clinicians. Everyone works to get grants, get published, and get promoted, in that order.

>>131646170
>vanguard
Lets follow these smart folks and do what they tell us they know what's best!

>>131646780
And by the way, muslims and niggers do not belong here in Spain.
In fact, a huge part of our story is killing them.
Shame we didn't keep the momentum and completely wiped them out.

>>131646198
>hurr durr let them die
Edgelord
btw, how's that trillion dollar a year military budget?
Or, the death panels? Suddenly people like them now it seems

>>131647135
No shit. But you've insinuated doing something within the realm of idealism is fruitless. What's the alternative to idealism?

>>131647094
No. I want the government to do specifically as the people desire, and nothing else.

>>131647372
The vanguard is a temporary revolutionary technique for organizing the masses. It disintegrates as delegated congresses of the federal state form.

>>131647138
>And government is what you make it, you talk about it as if its a living entity
If government was what I made it, it would be nearly invisible. Government is like a living entity in that it's natural tendency is to grow. You can't look at the federal budget and say that it's been rolled back since the 80s.

>>131641291
House to vote on immigration bills including 'Kate’s Law' and 'No Sanctuary for Criminals Act'

>>131647500
>What's the alternative to idealism?
More like what's the alternative to modern idealism, which is actually fighting for what you believe in.

>>131646253
I've worked 3 double shifts in a row in a kitchen, 8am-midnight with maybe a 1 hour break
Kill yourself

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>>131647469
Ya think you're hot shit, dontchya?!

>>131646326
That would mean I'm only 6 years old

Cultural nationalist here. I need some good arguments to support a consolidated social assistance program, that is to say, one single program for all social assistance needs in my country, that has a UBI built in as the baseline.

For example, Bill is a normal dude and qualifies for the program just by being a Canadian citizen, and he receives the baseline UBI every month to keep him out of poverty. Bob however has a disability and five dependents, so he receives the UBI baseline plus additional amounts for his disability and to help with the kids. Conversely Jill makes a shit ton of money and gets nothing from the program.

I think it's a great idea but of course those on the right tend to hate all forms of "gibs". What do you say to that?

>>131640087
By being massive faggots

>>131647568
Well the man has insinuated that fighting for what you believe in via modern idealism is a failure.

>>131647469
One day you lefties will realize that your buzzwords, are not arguments. They don't effect anything but your own smug self sense of satisfaction.

Some will die, most will be democrat voters nothing of value lost in the grand system of life.

Kill yourself

>>131646295
The blokes point went over your head
Someone suggested eating top ramen to be healthy

>>131647500
Well right now the people are telling you to piss up a rope.

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>>131647581
Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.

>>131647658
No, i'm insinuating that modern idealism itself is a failure, pushed only by people with too much free time.
Prove of this is how they never achieve anything at all.

>>131641047
Lets cry bully because we're wrong, faggots

>>131640087
>How do we fix America?
Purge leftists.

>>131646465
Is workers owning and controlling the means of production
Maybe there's money maybe not who knows

>>131640087
First step: Get in my helicopter.
Second step: Profit.

>>131647724
xD

>>131647765
So then what is the philosophy that constitutes actually putting into action one's ideals.

>>131647630

UBI already covers kids. No reason to pay him more on top for his disability.

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>>131647801
Hihihihihihi!

>>131647316
>Costs per capita are cheaper everywhere else and they all have national healthcare in one form or another
They also pay taxes out the ass. Or do you think healthcare falls off of trees by some form of magic?

>The USA is alone in this mania
We also arguably have the best doctors, schools, medicine, on the planet. So take that into consideration.

>If premiums are high to do you shut the whole thing and also shut Medicaid down, or do you fix that?
>Or do you look at how to fix that, and which political party has been mangling its operation and funding out of petty spite?
How do you fix a broken pipe, do you keep the water running or do you shut it off? The Dems made this mess, since Obamacare was doomed to fail. No, you didn't get to keep your doctor or plan. Now the average person has to pay more for insurance, or just bite the bullet and eat the fee. You are the one whining about muh 22 million, yet can't realize we can't pay for it.

>>131646546
Social Darwinism is a myth
People feel sympathy and solidarity towards one a other

Its sociopaths and autists who have trouble with that

>>131640087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8oczmDum_I

>>131640531
Doesn't matter what he meant. Chomsky is completely full of shit. He loves to compare the USA to the middle east, acting like these two are somehow equivalent. He even goes as far as to suggest that the USA is worse. "Look at the death count" he sais.

Dude is fucking delusional. The USA may have higher numbers, but the USA doesn't intentionally target civilians. When the USA kills civilians it's a tragedy, everyone is ashamed. They actually take great care not to harm civilians.

On the other hand in the middle east, this shit is celebrated. Civilians are intentionally targeted. They aren't even slightly ashamed, they fucking brag about it.

He's comparing aggressive, low IQ, sick people with America who happens to fuck up every now and then.

>>131647840
The idealism of the past.
Thing is, modern idealism is a failure because teenagers have grown way too comfortable.
They have never known true conflict, they have never actually fought, they have never done anything of value, just posting garbage on the internet.
So it's not an issue in idealism itself, is the idealists themselves.

>>131647840
>what is blah, blah putting into action ones beliefs?
Bumming

>>131646584
>if you think the USA shouldn't intervene in another countries internal policies you're a communist
Interdasting

>>131647947
>People feel sympathy and solidarity towards one a other
And that has lead to filling Europe with refugees and those muslim terrorists chimping out.

>>131646675
You're using the modern day American meaning for libertarian
In the traditional sense it meant anti-state socialism
Chomsky has gone on and on about this

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>>131640087
>How do we fix America?

Kill yourselves

>>131647947
What is normal to you, is not normal to me. At least as a sociopath it'll be easier to enact policies that harm you.

They feel compassion and solidarity WITH THEIR TRIBE not with all humans world wide.

>>131647788
Checked, they must be purged hard and dry.

>>131646914
It is only nonsensical if you have been through the American educational system
Libertarian does not mean capitalism
That is a very recent warping of the term by Americans

>>131641047
just stumbled into this thread, I wasn't going to comment but then I noticed what a fucking colossal faggot you were.

>>131648034
If you think the USA shouldn't intervene you are quite an evil person.

If you saw a woman getting raped on the sidewalk would you not step in. Would you encourage no one else to step in? This is what you're asking when you say the US should never interfere.

You're saying that even if a genocide were happening, and the USA has the power to stop it from happening, they should just look away and let it happen.

The only thing needed for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing. You are the kind of person who let's evil succeed.

>>131647801

If you force people to share their capital among all those who would work with them, and the profits with everyone, which you need state force to do, then there is no reason for a small syndicate to ever grow, as the founding members have nothing to gain. Thus, your society would need state compullsion for anyone to try at anything.

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>>131640087
Secure the borders, kick our illegal immigrants, Balkanize into separate parts of the US, instigate a eugenics program to protect the environment and ensure s healthy society, make healthcare government paid.

After that we need to become an autsrky based economic system with minimum and maximum wage caps.

>>131647003
>of natives
So you agree they're indiginous

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These communist and anarchist threads always demonstrate to me how much of a complete irrelevance these people are. It's not even really worth debating them beyond the initial stages because they really don't pose much of an existential threat beyond being useful idiots for more powerful people and ultimately more dangerous ideologies.

The most dangerous ideology facing the Whites is what I call the "false right", which will be conveniently civic "western nationalism" that views judaeo-christian values and shit like "feminism" and "democracy" as its ideological core for (((obvious))) reasons.

For reasons of social cohesion, health, and advancement, we have to embrace racial tribalism and biological realism. Everything else is simply a means unto an end.

White Nationalists need to start acting like the future aristocracy they ultimately need to become if we are to survive and proper as a race. We simply cannot sitting around hoping that some fantasy daddy government is actually going to pinky-promise solve all of our material problems.
We will solve our material problems by taking over as much of the material conditions as fucking possible, through our superior wisdom and moral convictions, ensure that they are fucking used correctly within our civilisations.

There will obviously need to be a nigh feudal soldier nobility component to this new order.

>>131647044
Mitigation
How can they improve them without capital?

>>131648344
If they are offspring of the Spanish and the natives, then they are no longer natives.

>>131647947
>Its sociopaths and autists who have trouble with that
So Islam and the Chinese? Have you ever traveled?

>>131648403
Their own problem.
In those cases, helping only breeds weakness, and weakness is something that needs to be destroyed.

>>131647346
Or you're projecting your own desires

>>131643903
Also people like this need to be dragged into the streets and shot publicly

>>131648400
>facing the Whites

Why do you identify with a race of people, whom over 50% of them are leftists?

At least half of whites want to see right-wing movements crushed into the ground, they literally want you dead.

>>131640231
Anarchist fighting for more government.

>>131647500
>The vanguard is a temporary revolutionary technique for organizing the masses
Holy shit
A legitimate Moaist Leninist
I've been banned from all your main subs on reddit
Now that you're here acting as much as a fool as the rightwing trolls
I'm going to bed

Good night everyone
Yanks, try to fucking grow up
>>131647511
They roll back what works for people, they roll back taxes corporations and the wealthy
They keep on spending on what enriches the rich and powerful and subsidies hightech industry and guards the power elite
This is why the military budget is as high as it is long after the Cold War ended and the collapse of a credible threat

>>131648643
>whom over 50% of them are leftists?

They're not though, most of them are liberal because that is the zeitgeist of the era. Why identity with the group of people you have the most in common with biologically and traditionally? Because biological determinism is stronger than you think

>>131648643
funny how all the faggot shills like to change their flags to ideologies of the right.."hows it going fellow libertarians?" kys faggot

>>131648214
In politics, definitions are changed regularly. North Korea calls itself democratic. Classical Liberalism is nearly opposite to modern Liberalism. Libertarianism today, in the United States, which is what this thread is about, is represented (basically) by the Libertarian Party. A pro-capitalist party. You can keep sucking Noam Chomsky's cock if you like, but it doesn't make him any less irrelevant, and it certainly doesn't make him correct.

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Stop the Military Industrial Complex now.
Spit at every one who defends such an ugly and perv System.

>>131648795
>I've been banned from all your main subs on reddit
Oh boy, the communists ITT are from reddit, this shit writes itself.
Fucking kill yourselves.

>>131648795
Stfu race cuck, being to pro proletariat makes you a classcuck too.

>>131648927
No, the rest of the planet should adopt that model.
It's worked pretty well for USA.
In fact, militarizing space is the only hope for actual space exploration and colonization.

>>131641469
Nice pic. I like how it assumes the middle class doesnt buy private insurance through their careers. Nice try lumping the middle class in with the lower class tho.

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>>131648795
>I've been banned from all your main subs on reddit
>rightwing trolls
>grow up

It is you that needs to grow up, faggot.

>>131648615
>Secure the borders, kick our illegal immigrants, Balkanize into separate parts of the US, instigate a eugenics program to protect the environment and ensure s healthy society, make healthcare government paid.

>After that we need to become an autsrky based economic system with minimum and maximum wage caps.

Please tell me how you're going to do this without forcing the elites to co-op.
Also autarky is retarded.

>>131648505
Nobody works for anything but material reward, either literally building something for themselves, making something to trade or sell, or working for pay. The ONLY differences between people is what they are capable of, and what standard of living they will accept as good enough.

I can easily come to agreement with leftypol on one issue, the necessity of their revolution. Commies are an ideological poison and their best cure is their own failed revolutions, they refuse to simply leave because this entire worthless existence demands compensation as a birth-rite let them have a revolution let it fail and let our nations finally purge the Jewish poison plagueing us for a near century.

>>131649063
>In fact, militarizing space is the only hope for actual space exploration and colonization.
>Colonization

Not going to happen ever. If we can't even maintain the planet we are given give me one way we will be able to colonize and Terraform places like Mars that require intense physical and intellectual capabilities to live on?

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>>131641316
my god, someone needs to light you on fire. you are such a faggot.
:3

>>131649238
We can't because of economy.
As long as there is monetary gain, we will do it.
SpaceX is only doing what they are precisely because they hope to become the first space "airlines", which will make them trillionaires.

>>131649142
>Please tell me how you're going to do this without forcing the elites to co-op.

Why would we not want "muh 1%" to cooperate. If they don't then we seize their assets. Fascism isn't proletariat boot licking unlike Marxism, but neither are we bourgie cucks either.

>Autarky is retarded

No you're retarded.

>>131648977
>le reddit bogeyman

>>131649550
Except in this case he literally admitted to come from reddit.

>>131649603
Serious post, there are lots of smaller sub reddits which are useful for obscure topics. Its just the big ones that are cancer

>>131649764
So there's two redditors in this thread, a commie, and a guy with the fag flag.
Is this on purpose?