Venezuela

>giving free gas to a population that doesn't own cars
>a loaf of bread cost ten million bolivar

>>131638774
Venezuela got wrecked because their main source of income was oil.

All the deep state had to do was manipulate oil prices and voila, chaos.

The USA fucking HATES venezuela and made them pay for not allowing their puppet to rule over the people

>>131638774
They went against the Market and the Market won, as usual.

Not real socialism

>>131639919
Finally someone nails it. I hate socialism as much as the next guy, but this was an orchestrated hit on their economy. (((They))) also meant to hurt Putin but he saw it coming.

>>131640381

Indeed, they wanted to hurt Putin and as usual don't give a fuck if millions of innocent people die

The day the Deep State dies, countries all over the world will be able to prosper.

The third world would not be so shitty if the alphabet soup stopped corrupting other countries and installing puppet masters

Sadly, only the 0.1% of the world benefit from this shit, not the regular people of the first world that are taxed like fucking pigs

>>131639919
>>131640381
It's our fault monkeys can't have the foresight to invest in actual industries and not fucking oil during times of high oil prices?

>>131641281
Venezuela's #1 export was oil, they are part of OPEC you sperm burping burger.

That is not all Venezuela exported, they also have agro...

If it were not for the government that backstabs you, none of this shit would have happened

Including the upcoming shit show that is WW3

The Jewnited States of America and its deep state dildo is the main cause of misery in the world.

You probably are too sleepy from your industrial food to realize that the deep state is now going to do to you what it has done to the rest of the world that can't retaliate with nuclear weapons.

Enjoy the downfall

>>131641877
You forgot your commie flag

>>131642005
look who is talking, the blind herpes blister that is being ursurped by the very jew comunist regime you hate so much.

Wait to see the blue and white slowly vanish from your flag

Your are becoming the USSA and you don't even fucking see it cause you are still under the commie fear brainwash your country so easily implanted in your minds.

mehhh commies, mmeeeehhhh socialism...
If you are too fucking stupid to realize that a text book version of a system is not applicable in the real world and that a country's true backbone is not 100% pure ism...then you are far more stupid than your own mother thinks you are

someone should post the spongebab gif

>>131639919
>>131640381
>I'm totally not a commie guys, but isn't Maduro BASED XD

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>>131642378
When Raúl blames muh deep state for the reason his country is a shithole

>>131642719
You make Brazilians look fucking stupid

Go watch 1980s American Jewwood movies and jerk off every time Arnie kills a commie...

All countries are under Jew control, we are all under some form of commie regime baked up to fit with the mindset of the given target population.

Go drink your 2L of Guarana

>>131642958
Wtf I love Maduro now.

>>131642917

Go look at a list of all CIA operations that led to coup d'états.

it is mindbogglingly revealing.
The deep state is now turning on you guys.
Cry me a river when you are on /pol in the next 10 years and complain how the deep state fucked up the USA cause Israel got fed up with you

>>131643522
> THE CIA COUP 60 YEARS AGO IS WHY I AM POOR

>>131638774
It has never been really tried

>>131643252
All politicians are pieces of shit.
They only get power cause the elite can bribe them and have them do their bidding.

I have no opinion on Maduro, nor do I give a fuck about who is running Venezuela.

All I am saying is that without outside forces bringing constant chaos to countries that do not support the elite's agenda, the world would not be so fucking miserable.

Funny how every first world country is now becoming third world hell holes?

Why?
Because the vampire elite want MORE...

Watch pension funds disappear in the first world

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>seized the means of production
>rely only on oil

Really gets the neurons firing.

>>131641877

>OPEC is good and fair

go fuck yourself

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>>131639919

The reason they got fucked with the oil is because latin american socialism is kelptocracy in all but name. Chavez cronies robbed PDVZA blind while wrecking production while other businesses were nationalized and incompetent Chavez supporters were given roles in managing them. Needless to say putting clueless crooks in charge of things because they wore a red shirt and clapped for monkey chavez dancing on TV did not lead to economic growth.

>>131643671
kill yourself

>>131643671
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
the only reason you know about the coup 60 years ago is because the operation gets declassified.

You think once the CIA gets its tentacles into a country, it magically goes back home and stops meddling in a country?

You are fucking stupid

The USA is the perfect example. The tentacles were sunk into the USA when they killed JFK cause he wanted to get rid of the CIA...Today, you are being leeched into the ground and won't recover until the filthy deep state and their henchmen are all destroyed.

CIA operations never quit, they multiply

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>>131643814
WHERE THE FUCK DOES THIS "IT'S NEVER BEEN TRIED" NONSENSE KEEP COMING FROM!?!?!
IT'S BEEN TRIED A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIMES AND IT NEVER WORKS!!!
WHO THE FUCK KEEPS TELLING THIS TRUTH BY ASSERTION BULLSHIT?!?!?

>>131643857
I never said it was.

OPEC created an oil cartel and set market prices for oil the same way the diamond industry sets the value of diamonds although they are not rare at all.

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>>131644205

>Too much ass

>>131644092
My god, you must work for CNN

You have never been to South America, let alone Venezuela but you barf up all the bullshit you heard on TV...congrats, you have been brainwashed

Chavez and Maduro are US enemies. The deep state KNEW they could kill (or could kill) two birds with one stone Russia + Venezuela with rigging of oil prices and deflating the value of crude oil.

The deep state is not as good as they used to be, so while the Ruble took a fucking plunge and Venezuela descended into chaos, the Russian pulled their shit back.

Venezuela was a fortunate casualty for deep state.

>>131644645
This
100% huebro knows what he's talking about.

What do you do for work anon?

>>131644949
I operate a toilet accessory business in Brazil and another business in the US

>>131644645

>Socialist crooks ruin an economy

OR

>It's an american conspiracy to destroy Venezuela because reasons, also Russia.

You are a retarded zika monkey if you believe the latter is more likely.

>>131645214
The truth speak for itself.

Soon enough you will see how the deep state has run its tenticles into the USA since JFK.

These people don't plan in terms of 5-10 years like normal folks, they plan generational takeovers...like they are currently doing full on in the USA at the moment

You think the left movement is not a jew commie like destruction of the USA tailored to the minds of the people...then you are lost

Jews control the money, they therefore control every single country. They tailor the destruction of a country based on the mindset they have implanted.

First install isms...create division...divide and conquer: morons laugh when a country fails, not realizing that yours will eventually come.

Once Israel has bled you dry, you will be dropped like a sack of shit. It is already happening and you are still debating how a certain system is garbage and yours is best

Smoke and mirrors

Socialism doesn't work because mankind is naturally lazy and needs incentives or rewards to be motivated and socialism removes those incentives. Replacing the carrot with the whip! Instead of working to better your life you work to keep from going to jail. You lose all human rights and become property of the state the ultimate slave system ruled by the scientific elite.

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>>131638774
BURN THE RED WITCH
Venezuela is going through the same thing we went through in the 90s, minus the war
COMMIES GET THE BULLET

>>131642378
You're fucking kidding right?
You're entire fucking Government is being investigated for corruption, you have 163 state owned businesses and every one is either poorly run or running on kick backs and heavily subsidized to boot in many cases…
Of course its all going into the pockets of officials and bureaucrats … before you point fingers at other gov's take a look at yourself…

>>131643839
You've been posting a lot in this thread. I'm surprised you've had such a stable internet and power connection

>>131645780
This is the very stupidity that leads to divide and conquer.

isms are textbook theories and do not translate into the real world. No country is 100% pure ism. All countries are a mix and change with time and geopolitical situations.

The 0.1% elite run the show and divide and conquer uneducated morons that spend countless hours discussing how one system is better than the other when in reality, they pull the strings and take over one country at a time.

(((They))) plan takeover in terms of generations, not 5-10 years.

If you don't go along, or if a given coutry has enough ressources to break free, you can be sure the deep state will keep you in check.

Once they are in the country, they take up every level of influence to ensure that they can keep a given country going the direction they need.

This is the very explination ghadaffi gave when he gave his speech at the African summit. If countries stop adapting to fiat currency and take back their ressources, get to sell them at fair price, then it is possible for all countries to live well.

>>131639919
>made billions off oil
>didn't invest into other industry or diversified
>a volatile commodity goes down in price as commodities do, sometimes up sometimes down
>AMERICANS FUCKED ME OVER AGAIN REEEEE

rly.

>>131638774
top down instead of bottom up

>>131638774
Look up the CIA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5lGYZRFmI

>>131640188
Venezeula embraced the free market

>>131643671
Actually, in America that's true

>>131646232
Temer was a CIA asset known as the KING MAKER

The jews control every single aspect of our country. Brazil has a central bank = the control is in the hands of the deep state.

The reason the Brazilian government is under this current situation is because the deep state wanted to stop PT from elevating the poor from misery. Lula did a good job by raising millions out of hell. Then they started operation lava jato to get Dilma and Lula out of power. Temer was set as VP and was sure he could close pandoras drain.

Temer tried to drain only part of the swamp (to benefit deep state) but has been incapable of putting the plug back in.

ALL POLITICS IN ALL COUNTRIES IS CORRUPTION

All politics = banking = central jew banking

We are all on the same boat and should concentrate on the real enemy instead of pretending that a given government is for the people

>>131646477
Ya, the rain stopped, the monkeys were able to go back into the trees and connect the coconuts that drive our internet

>>131642005

>american education
>everyone I don't like is a communist

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>>131638774
Not real communism. Duh.

>>131640296
>>131643814

My fellow comrades get it.
Capitalists BTFO.

>>131645780
>Le "Mankind isn't good enough for socialism" meme
Fuck off. Socialism is inherently nihilistic.

>>131646706
Says the Australian who is seeing his economy go down the drain ...cause once again, deep state is fucking with the iron ore prices...

Enjoy your Chinese invasion...cause I am sure your government is so honest that they are not looking to fuck you all over cause they spent your pensions on stupid projects.

Ask the pensioners from Pacific Hydro...they got swindled cause your gov decided to make wind farms here in Brazil and stole so much fucking money from the pensioners. The prez of Pacific Hydro robbed hard working Aussies to the bone.

So now they will get rid of you and bring in the next crop of sheep...the Chinese

Your people are victim of the deep state troll op called renewable energy HAHAHA

>>131646479
You are so obsessed with thinking yourself a genius that you completely bypass the obvious don't you? You call others stupid yet your reasoning is far from sound. You complain about both sides being oblivious to the deep state etc but I see no solutions coming from you. I see excuses for socialism under the bullshit excuse of "the deep state sabotaged our perfect socialist system" Neither you or anyone else you know is actually going to do anything of value. You will talk and talk to hear yourself speak and feel like a big man but you won't get off your ass and solve any problems so just shut up if you are not going to be of any help. I as a capitalist am creating jobs and getting people working to put roofs over their heads and food in their mouths, what are you doing for the world? You are preeching on a Korean paper craft social site.

>>131645780
.....and greedy for power and wealth.

>>131638774
General incompetence and socialism is fueled by theft. Eventually there are no more people left to steal from or there is nothing left to steal. Socialism-lite (what we have in the west) has provided many gibs which will be foisted onto our shoulders and the coming mulattos.

>>131639919
NEIN. They had no more transport ships to sell their oil. No fleet=no sales

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So much butthurt in this thread

>>131648195
I don't think myself superior or more intelligent than the rest.

I read between the lines because I don't believe anything that comes from higher up.
I came from nothing and built myself a life by working hard and making investments that I knew would keep me living comfortably.

The biggest lie the governments wants you to believe is that only a genius can make it in this fucked up world.
I am not a genius, I don't look down on people who use conversation instead of stupid meme speak.

I postulate that you are jealous that I am not taken in by all the bullshit. Well friend, despite what people may tell you, you are not stupid. Stop eating the bullshit pie and read between the lines.

We all have a common enemy and unless we unite beyond the stupid memes, divide and conquer will always work to turn the common man against each other.

In that scenario, we are all the fucking losers and they remain in power for one more generation

>>131648532

The manipulation of oil prices to punish Russia had nothing to do with the fall of Venezuela...

it was all about ships!

my lord, I guess all those chinese oil tankers ran out of fuel on the coast, so they could not get the oil back to China

>>131648608
more like anal prolapse fest 2017

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You commie idiots please leave the country because some of us want to work hard and get benefits from our creative enginuity and all you entitled slack asses can go form your own socialist dystopian shot hole somewhere else as a matter of fact we should just send you all to Canada and you can have a socialist crap shoot there. Or we might even let you guys just all have the west coats to completely destroy but keep in mind if you try to cross the border back into America you will be treated like an illegal alien.

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>>131644092
Hmmm.... Its like your describing current day SA. I wonder how long we'll have till the fall. Were basically socialist to boot.

>>131639919
>>131640381
World oil production is ~80 million barrels per day. Venezuela produces ~2.2 million barrels of shitty low quality oil. Tanking the entire market to hurt Venezuela is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

>>131638774
Because they didn't knew what to do with it.
What they knew was to be a bunch of lying corrupt thieving cunts.

>>131648658
So you are a money changer and not a job creator?

>>131649429
It was to fuck up Russia. When oil prices fell, the Ruble took a dive. Russia eventually recuperated however, Venezuela fell into chaos.

Venezuela was a happy side effect for deep state. It was not the primary target but a great way to take out an enemy the States has always despised.

I heard they are throwing grenades from helicopters

>>131649485
I have a business in Brazil and the USA.

I have over 500 employees in my companies, how many people do you give a salary to?

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>>131642958
>You make Brazilians look fucking stupid
no, you do

>>131649942
The US is using this hoax shit to bomb democracy into Venezuela.

They already said they would put boots on the ground. Like in the Philippines, they need an excuse to enter as world police.

>>131650140
a meme to defend your point...

How juvenile...go have another can of Cachaça and let the adults have a real discussion

>>131646961
Don't listen to this fucktard, he's a leftist piece of shit.
Lula, Temer, Dilma, all politicians are a piece of shit in general. Politics involve being dishonest, after all.

However, the other countries have no right to put a finger in our faces and laugh about corruption; our inefficient justice only means our politicians don't care so much about hiding the truth.
You guys should be worried if corruption doesn't show up so much in your own governments, it only means they are good at hiding it.

It's the Americans fault that:

Venezuela backed FARC and ruined relations with its neighbors
Venezuela put opposition leaders in jail
Venezuela banned loads of normal goods, creating an unstoppable black market
Venezuela printed loads of currency
Venezuela nationalised foreign businesses and ruined any sort of investment chances
Venezuela blew their oil money on DEM PROJECTS instead of diversifying their economy
Venezuela shoots protesters in the streets

Got it

>>131649977
How many in the states do you have? And so you actually are creating jobs at least in Brazil but what about capitalism is it that you have a problem with? Since you seem to be benefiting from it.
Because you popped up on here like a fucking douchebag saying my entire line of thinking was stupid so.......what the fuck do you want? Or expect? You now see how hypocrites like you are not helping things?

>>131650383
Indeed, all politics is a shit show, does not matter what country you live.

If people understood this, we could unite as we are the power, not them. They give the illusion of power but we could take them down if we stopped the stupid memes and fighting over who is better and who is more cucked.

The reality is that the elite put their dirty cock in all our businesses and family life, which makes us incapable of creating new businesses that would raise employment and wealth for all, not just for multinational giants.

I have small/medium size companies but I encourage my employees to bring me their business plan. I have invested in at least 10 new businesses in the past 6 years. We are all better for it.

I was told to do this one time while I was under the influence of ayahuasca hahahaha
So far it has worked out very well

Someone please kill this gommie monkey

>>131650808
deep state does not know nationality.

It is a group of elite assholes that sees their little group as the only winners. All of us are but pawns

They chose the USA to be their powerhouse, it was a strategic decision, not a national pride decision.

Venezuela has been fucked with for so many decades it does not make sense.

Your cunt german queen has been using the hard working british people as pawns for GENERATIONS. And now as a reward, you get acid attacks and maniacs being let in...

The police cares about the LGBT, <fails> to track the very terrorists that are making your life hell.

Perhaps you are waking up too much and don't have a pension plan, so the next batch of sheep is coming in to replace you before you riot

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It must be great being American.

Even with communists ruining all countries, it's all American fault.

My fucking sides. It's too much butthurt.

>>131649009
Stop, macaco, just stop.
And you fucktards, stop feeding the troll.

>>131638774
Venezuela is not socialist.

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>>131646961
>Lula did a good job by raising millions out of hell
That is how I know you are retarded

Where are all those millions? We never see them anywhere, all I see is the same misery as before.

>MUH MEDDLING WITH ECONOMY

Did not Lula did this also?
He lowered the interest rates by the pen
He inflated the bubble
The bubble bursts
>ITS MUH CIA

You are crazyer than Alex Jones on acid
Get your head out your ass and see beyond the conspiracy theories the "intelectuals" pushed into your head

I wonder if any vuvuzuela anons got killed during this

>>131651830
Of course not, everybody knows socialism has never been acomplished.

>>131651496
Yes the deep state made those people make stupid decisions and its not because brown people want free shit

>>131647223
This but ironically

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>>131651101
>we must unite, as we are the power
>hurr durr the elite
Do not pretend to sympathize with me, fucking commie. You embarrass us by defending someone (Lula) that is just another fucking puppet and a thug.
You are just as dishonest as him. And you also come here with the same things he says, stating that the fault of Venezuelans not having fucking toilet paper to wipe their asses is of another country's influence.
Maduro is killing his population while he presents a Salsa program every morning in the radio, and keeps saying that "everything is fine".

We will not allow people like you to turn Brazil into Venezuela.

Isentão de merda, volte para o seu DCE.

>>131646961

Someone please show Brazilian homicide rates between 2002 and 2010. Lula is trully a God.

>>131650957
26 states.

I don't follow a given system, I created my own.

One time I was doing ayahuasca and asked the spirits how I could do my part. It gave me a vision of helping others.

I came up with a plan where in both my companies, I encourage my brightest employees with great ideas to come up with a business plan. I invest in their businesses and give them a means of making a better living. This is beneficial for me, of course, but it brings me so much more than money. It brings my employees a desire to strive and work harder.

Even if I lose an employee, I gain a business partner and they often refer me great people to replace them when they move on.

Everybody wins. Every year I have a huge BBQ and bring my extended family together.

Is this capitalism? maybe a mix of socialism and capitalism??? who the fuck cares. It works, creates new stable businesses and makes shit go round.

Last year I even started paying for classes in financial management, cooking classes, business management and business plan creation.

>>131652151
Holy shit you are the epitomy of autism.

>>131651713
What great debate skills you have...

I know you thought that by blowing all the members of your debate team that you would swallow some of their knowledge...but it did not work

Does this brazilian monkey really think that the "deep state" has a lever which controls the market price for oil worldwide? The price of the most widely traded commodity in the world?

Kek!

>>131651916
I run a company in Brazil. I saw how many of the families were able to acquire new fridges, stoves and even renovate their homes.
Some of my employees live in poor neighborhoods, I have been to their homes, have BBQs with them...I saw the improvements with my own eyes while you jerked off to anime in your mom's house.

Your generation stays at your parents house until you are 40 and cry that you have no chances in life. I know Lula was just as corrupt as the others, but some of his programs were a little too good for the elite

Go shitpost somewhere else

>>131652709
Question:

What do you think motivates the elite?

This seems like it has very obvious answer but I want to know what you think.

>>131652066
All politicians are shitbags and corrupt

But some of the programs Lula put in place did have a positive effect on the low class employees I have working in my company

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>>131651101
loving these posts.
it's very refreshing to read impartial red pills from a non-autist

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>>131652151
So a hallucinogenic drinking pompus assclown has the nerve to come on here and call my whole line of thinking stupid thinks he knows best for all because the hallucinogens told him it's best.......YOU GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!

>>131651936
National guard and military police have murderer over 80 civilians in the last 50 days. A lot of them students and underage.

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>>131639919

>This level of reality projecting.

>>131652079
I never said he was a god, all politicans are corrupt assholes.

However, some of his policies had positive effects on the lower class employees I have at my company. Their lives did improve no matter what you believe Mr Couch Politician

Stop mooching off your parents and do something positive

>>131652709
>runs a company
>defends socialism
Woah you're a walking contradiction.
I just wish you could thrive so much in socialism as well.

Oh wait, you can't

>>131651936
>vuvuzuela
Laughed IRL

>>131652315
Holy shit you are shitposting

>>131639919
Doesn't matter, it shows how fragile they economy was

>>131652884
> But some of the programs Lula put in place did have a positive effect on the low class employees I have working in my company
That's cute.
Did you know that Bolsa Senpaiília and Minha Casa, Minha Vida were not Lula's ideas?

>>131639919
This. Even when Ron Paul was bashing socialism (and I agree with him) he was talking about Venezuela and said something along the lines of "all our eggs in one basket" like nigger gtfo your own Jewish government did this to cripple russia economically by blackmailing their pedophile saudi puppets at OPEC to lower the price per barrel. All saudis need to be shot so oil can go back up to 80-90 and save canada and Venezuela both

Socialism and communism only make lazy government employees rich

>>131652709
>I saw how many of the families were able to acquire new fridges, stoves and even renovate their homes
With borrowed money they never paid back

The same meme over and over

>I run a company in Brazil
no, you do not
you are a LARPer and a liar
probably a shill for PT

>>131638774
They didn't seize the means of production tho.

They 'seized' (nationalized) the oil, but that's it.

>>131652848
all they want is to have more control and more money.

These people have a pathological desire to control the globe to benefit their little group of psychos.

The problem with these people is that at a certain point, they want more and start feuds amongst each other. That is what makes them vulnerable and imperfect. That is the key to bringing them down, use those cracks to get them to rip each other apart.

You see this historically in monarchies, where uncles, cousins, brothers would execute each other to take over something the other one had cause they can never get enough. They all like the Wendigo, they can never stop consuming, even if it is their own flesh and blood

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>>131652998
how are things there?

>>131652911
Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed
I like having conversations with people who can actually discuss and not degenerate into meme shitposting and twitter like comebacks

>>131653674
Do you think it's fair to say that they're all psychopaths?

>>131652911
>>131653825
Agreed, you actually have an idea of what you're talking about unlike 95% of /pol/ subhumans

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>>131647404
You don't understand complex mechanisms that drive prices, therefore the big bad deep state are doing it? Pic related

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>>131652151
>Is this capitalism? maybe a mix of socialism and capitalism???
This is PURE CAPITALISM, you fucking idiot

>>131652953
If you actually HAD a point or your own opinion, maybe we could have a great conversation.

But all you seem inclined to do is mock something that is out of your league.

I don't think I am smarter than you, but at least I know when to give my opinion about something I know about, have lived or seen with my own eyes.

typical pol autists always reply with: "HAHAHAH OH DEEP STATE MONKEY CONTROL" .....what the fuck is that?

Have you ever been to South America? Do you know the real history of the region?

Probably not, so shut the fuck up if all you want to do is spread half assed rhetoric and conjecture

give your well worded PERSONAL opinion or fuck off...that simple

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>>131638774
KILL A COMMIE FOR JESUS

>>131653257
Of course, their main money maker was oil.

But with US sanctions and political pressure it meant that Venezuela and Russia would suffer and Saudi Arabia would survive the storm

This brings up the situation in Iran.
Although you have large Christian and Jewish populations (who want to STAY in Iran) and a good economy, all the sanctions against them means that they are always seen as assholes on the world scene and never get to break free on the international market

>>131654319
You pretty much brought this on yourself.
You're the common PT enforcer: you keep fighting, but you don't know what to fight against. When you're not on power, then whoever is on power is the enemy, be it corrupt or not.
PT has been filling requests for impeachment in the Deputies' Chamber ever since we got out of dictatorship.

Plus, I'm really glad you own a company. This prevented you from knowing how the state jobs work.
Nobody does anything. When they do, it's never right, and it's never motivated by any desire to change or improve lives.
Plus, everyone pointed for nominal places by people from PT have sucked MORE than the average, because they never have any fucking perspective on what they're doing.

>>131651496
Enough with this assclown sage bullshit do you even know who the .01% elite are? What to you think? You can't take them down, you can only remove your nation from the fraction reserve banking system and go back on the gold standard, and bring back the Glass Stegal Act. End the fed, and promote legislation that makes corporate executives liable for damages.

>>131638774
Because capitalism is literally the only god-tier way of life. The shit stays at the bottom where it belongs, and innovators, people who actually are of use, reap the benefits as they should.

>>131653393
No program is created by a president but by his staff and his ministries.

The difference is that he has to sign on any new program. If any given president backs a good idea that works for the people, then you have a running government that is doing some sort of positive thing. If all the good programs are blocked because of infighting, you end up with an impotent government, like what is happening in the US or during the Dilma term.

Easy to then say the government was shit.

I think politics is fucking corrupt and disgusting. But sometimes good programs do come into play

>>131653431
>Even when Ron Paul was bashing socialism (and I agree with him) he was talking about Venezuela and said something along the lines of "all our eggs in one basket"
Or he was just right?
>>131649763
Their economy was tanking before"muh manipulated prices" this is an absurd assertion that the cause can come after the effect.
It's as absurd as the idiots who blame the Iraq war on oil interest and Iraq planning on trading in euros when all of the rhetoric and propaganda to invade Iraq was first written and being pushed since at least the mid 80s from Israeli sources.

>>131653431
Ron Paul was probably the one example of a politician in the last 40 years that made sense.
Because he made so much sense, he could never become president.

Fucking sad

>>131651945
Yeah it's like a diseased featus it aborts it's self because it's so disfunctional it can't be carried to full term.

>>131655169
Still, those were not good programs. We're paying a high price for them right now and you know it well.

>>131653522
says the 40 year old shitposter that lives with his parents and who reads globo while his mother clips his ass hair

>>131654623
Why didn't Russia suffer as much? I don't think their economy relies that heavily on Oil as people think.

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>>131639919
Venezuela was dying anyway, but the internationalists decide to make an example of her for refusing to participate in the (((global community))). Fuckin jews m8

>>131655463
Why do you leftist guys always bring Globo up? It's an opportunist piece of shit, but it did help Lula and Dilma's campaings A LOT throughout the years

>>131653648
With all the US sanctions, it would have made no difference. You won't have a free market where you oil can be sold at a fair price or to the best bidder

The same as if you find diamonds under your house...big fucking deposits....If Da Beers does not buy them, you won't make a fucking dime

>>131654030
Clearly.
Most normal people would stop acquiring at some point, especially if it causes human suffering.

Most lunatics have zero empathy and don't even consider the common man as anything more than a commodity

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>>131642005
>everybody who doesn't surrender their resources and government to us is a commie

Why do you chimp-brained thugs have to live in the same country as me??

>>131654226
stock markets, the diamond market, precious metal markets are manipulated by whom?

If you think FREE markets exist...HA!

all markets are controlled by the elite so only they benefit

>>131655748
it was a treat watching kekistanis, burgers, pseudo intellectual infowars fanboys and CIA apologists get BTFO by a Brazilian.

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>>131654319
Do you even know where you are? This is 4chan /pol/ bitch! Nobody wants you here attempting to shut down free speech and implement your own. I have the right to say whatever I want however I want THIS IS /pol/ !!!!!!!!

>>131654229
Ok Mr Couch Economist.

so paying for classes for my employees is pure capitalism when it may never benefit me or even cause the creation of direct competition???

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W-will Maduro have her killed

>>131639919
Venezuela has the largest oil reserves known to man.

The question of course is that they can not increase production - well, anything. Destroy the currency, drive away the capital, take the means of production, and leave the people to starve.

They do not know how to produce wealth.

"Manipulation of the deep state"

You are truly THAT stupid?

There has been recent manipulation on oil prices, in fact. Against Russia, by Saudi Arabia. But even Russia - whose main ballast currency are hydrocarbons - has a minimally functional economy.

Venezuela, on the other hand, has a retard turning the currency in toilet paper.

>>131638774
>Venezuela
So its safe to say that a Civil War is coming now that people who were part of the police/military are turning on the government now.

>>131654965
I value your opinion but I do not back any political party.

although they are all bags of shit, sometimes they do implement some good programs.
the more ignorant approach is to allign yourself with one party so hardcore that you fail to see the little benefits that sometimes do help some people.

However, in the long run, all they care about is themselves.

>>131656137
>Elite jews have god-like powers
>Cause and consequence are unexisting
got it

Well obviousely because it wasn't REAL communism. Gosh so obvious.

>>131654990
Those are great ways of ending their tyrannical hold on mankind.

However I feel that it would take a great cataclysm and massive protests to make a real change.

In my opinion, I think bringing back the power to a local level, tribal even, would permit the common man to have more power over how things happen in a given society.

>>131656309
>when it may never benefit me
it most likely will
it is an investment

is government making you do it under threat of force? if not, it is not sicialism either.
you are just a capitalist being a decent person, this exist, you know, despite what they told you

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>>131639919
Maybe next time you'll go for some fascist autarky so this doesn't happen, hmmm?

>>131656731
You still act as the average isentão.

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>>131639919
Even Angolans have a lesser case of Dutch (oil) diseases. Yes. Bantu people. Yes, Africans run a country better than Venezuelans. Angolans have other sources of income and invest in foreign companies. gulf Arab states do the same. venezuelans fucked up their economy and govt and made to this abyss. It's better invest in military assets and laptops for children and prepare for circles of low oil revenue.

"""Deep state""" doesn't manipulate oils princes just to fuck over Venezuela idiot and with the full purpose to stop socialism and Russia influence or KSA/Qatar revenue.
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Now some Hue blames the entire fault in Deep State + CIA + FSB in OPEC meetings with observers members like Russia and oil shale. Damn USA oil national production and shale companies for exist. USA must suck for Venezuela oil for the rest of the times.

>>131655275
Venezuela has been under deep state control, under sanctions and shunned politically as the USA has always considered them <the enemy>

A good analogy of this would be a school popular kid that threatens or shuns anybody that talks with the weirdo.

Venezuela was never able to play at the big boy table when it came to the world market.

>>131655944
Then why is it that these people get to be in charge?

Does that not suggest that they're in fact superior to the general population?

>>131657513
Anon

Venezuela is dying because of Maduro.
No matter the origin of the problem, he is the one responsible. Haven't you found strange that he always points at enemies when they tell him that the country is dying?

>>131638774
On the bright side their food is top notch, rather have then attending small business than niggers, at least they are grateful with their new home.

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>>131657513
How about all the murders of protesters?
Is that the deep state too?

>>131656962
I know right, they kill all the people that oppose them and they still can't ever get it to work and every time they fail they act like it's still going to work next time.
Like the dodging debtor who always says I will have the money tomorrow but tomorrow never comes does it? And for some reason they always act like last time never happened and say " It's never been tried" I honestly think it's just an excuse to kill a bunch of people who are intelligent and further reap the benefits of state sponsored slave labor with nothing to stand in their way but a bunch of submissive betas who will starve to death anyhow.

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>>131657513
Of course the USA is going to fuck them over, Venezuela was stupid enough to put all their eggs in one basket, put that basket in the world market, and then declare themselves socialists, and thus the enemy of everyone else in the world market.

>>131655454
You do realize that Lula's team got Brazil out of servitude with the IMF. Brazil paid a costly price for that one. Kubitschek borrowed so much money from the IMF (at draconian interest rates) to build Brasilia. Instead of telling the IMF to fuck off, he paid the debt so that Brazil would not be seen as a scumbag on the world market.

I doubt highly that the impact of Lula's programs did anything as disastrous as that episode in brazilian history. From the people I know, especially my employees, they paid back the loans they were allowed to get under that program. I am not saying EVERYBODY paid back, maybe only 20% paid back, I don't know the statistics but if you have them, I would like to see.

>>131655577
No it does not. The Russians have a much more diverse economy (as compared to Venezuela) . After all, they are part of the big 5 military equipment manufacturers.

>>131638774
i want more video of venezuela
i am fapping so hard
i had to endure years of bullshits from commie friends on how chavez was so good and caring for the people and now if he was alive he would be hanging upside down
venezuelan people deserve starvation, looting and pillaging for having elected chavez and maduro

>>131655638
I honestly don't remeber a time in my life where Venezuela was not seen as the retarded step child in the world market.

One thing is for sure, if you want to be at the big boys table, you have to be in the good graces of the Jewnited States

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>>131657513
>Venezuela has been under deep state control, under sanctions
Can you tell what are sanctions to Venezuela economy or general population?

Not those against high-ranking people of Venezuela or members of Supreme Court.
>>131657513
>never able to play at the big boy table when it came to the world market.
Venezuela is member of OPEP/OPEC. WTF are you talking about?
Tell me why do the other members aren't sucking so bad like Venezuela? They all want greater oil renevue from oil prices like Venezuela. Venezuela fucked up - main fault is themselves - foreign interests take advantage of them.

>>131655681
Globo is a shitrag like all MSM...controlled by (((THEM)))

I know a rodent that works high up at globo...he is one of the most immoral pieces of shit I have ever encountered. They will take the side of whomever they think will benefit them more.

and the fucking comments in the comment section make pol look like a meeting of top intellectuals HAHAHAAH

I even know a journalist who writes a column for Folha...he is a total fucking degenerate, I would not leave my kids alone with him...but he is <<Respected>> HAHAHAH

>>131656269
HHAHAHAHA thanks Nazibro.

I just get absolutely fucking saddened sometimes to see how divide and conquer makes us little people turn on each other when we should concentrate on making a difference.

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>>131658385
>I own companies in Brazil and U.S.
Has this much free time

This poster is a paid shill

>>131658719
i think it wouldn't be like this if chavez was alive because he was very skilled politician. i'm not sure he cared about people though

>>131658385
Guys, we're talking to Wesley Batista from JBS in person.
Ask him anything.

>>131656298
So sorry, I was under the impression that pol was for political discussion.

Obviously I am a little person, I have no true power...so if I got your brain smoking, it was not me trying to brain fuck you, I was just telling it the way I see it.

If that offends you, move along
if you are here to give some genuine opinion not made up of late night TV brainwash, by all means, give us your opinion

>>131659486
Chavez is like Lula.
You've probably been deceived by a cult of personality

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>>131659486
What is happening there?
Is it happening?
Will the coup success?

>>131659581
or his big brother, Joesley

>>131656553
Let me give you the perfect example.

A decade ago, Canada discovered a FUCKING GIANT wealth of diamonds in the Canadian arctic...the government rejoiced, Canada was thinking of putting a diamond on their leaf (joking)...

But then, the almighty De Beers told them they were shit out of luck. They would not buy their diamons and therefore, they could not sell on the international market.

So tomorrow morning, you can be digging for a pool and you end up finding the biggest diamond deposit in the world, unless De Beers buys your shit, you won't make a fucking penny....why?

Because they set the price of diamonds around the world.

The manipulate the stock of diamonds on the market at any time in order for diamonds to be at maximum price.

Same goes for gold, silver..etc etc

What is going on with the coup atm? What happened in 12 hours?

>>131657198
Any ism is textbook and does not apply 1:1 in reality.
I respect your opinion but I don't personally believe that any ism can be applied in its pure form

>>131660132
evidence for any of that

>>131660132
That's retarded. You just undercut DeBeers and tell them to fuck off. You mean to tell me 100% of diamond-buyers would be on board with getting price gouged when they could get a cheaper supply? That's not how monopolies work.

>>131657302
I would actually prefer to be under a more primitive yet more sophisticated system.

When I was in college in the US, I read a fascinating book written by a Jesuit missionary regarding the political system of the Mohawk.

Their system was so impressive that it was incorporated into the very cherished American system of democracy from the onset.

If you visit the Mohawk reservation that encompasses Quebec/Ontario/New York State...you will notice that they all fly the American flag as a sign of pride for their contribution to the American way of life

>>131657378
and you still have not contributed in any way, shape or form to the topic at hand

shitpost to your mom and dad

>>131657422
Angola is a great example. They have very special trade deals and status with Brazil, this is one of the reason they are capable of playing on the world market.

Venezuela was always a black sheep and therefore shunned on the world market in many respects.

In Brazil there was a very big push to keep ties with Venezuela to a minimum in order to not enrage the Jewnited States

>>131657516
Their power stems from generations of tyranical moves and power plays.

the monarchy kept a great deal of power by inbreeding and sending their rats to marry other powerful people.

This, in my opinion, is what led them to become feeble minded and psychopathic.

Many of the people in power are closely related to the monarchs.
Just because you are willing to enslave nations for your benefit does not make you intelligent. It makes you counterproductive in advancing the human civilization

>>131660523
You obviously don't know about the Diamond cartell. Look into it, its real and they decide what happens with diamonds, nobody else.

>>131657732
scapegoats..the same way Trump inherited the Obama administration that put the USA in the toilet. When the shit fails, they will blame him.

The world economy is fucked to the point of no return. In 2008, the blame for the crash was put in a big way on the shoulders of a single trader...he was the only one who went to jail

You can't put all the blame on Maduro, you have to put the blame where blame is due....(((BANKERS)))

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>>131661592
How do you think Brazil is doing today, and what was the best historical period for Brazil? The Empire and the Military dictatorship were quite successful, but you guys seem to be a favela monkey meme today.

>>131657513
>Venezuela has been under deep state control, under sanctions and shunned politically as the USA has always considered them
Again that theory isn't tenable because they started collapsing before these claims happened.

Socialism gonna fail because it is not a workable system and faggots like yourself will make rationalizations for it.
The only people to blame for Venezuela are the greedy socialist who took power and made their country so poor that they literally cannot afford to pay to have the the money printed that they want to print to keep up inflation.

>>131657846
You are thinking in terms of 2-3 years, you have to look back at least 40 years to see how the shit began and who is to blame...

the elite plan shit in terms of generations, not in small time frames...

For example, the Libyan protests were largely instigated by foreign factions on the behest of the alphabet soup agencies....all so called color revolutions have the fingerprints of these agents

The more sanctions you put on an international scale, the more the people suffer. Great way to cause a revolution

>>131658070
Venezuela has for a very long time been an enemy of the USA. Market manipulation is a dirty trick used by the dirty elite.

If sanctions were placed on Saudi Arabia as they had been on Venezuela, Saudi Arabia would be in an even worse position right now.

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>>131662450
Yeah, life is unfair.

>>131659022
If you place sanctions on a country like they did with Venezuela and Russia, you basically kill their export economy on a global scale.

If Saudi Arabia had been placed under sanctions during the same time period, they would be in the exact same situation.

By manipulating markets and placing sanctions, the dirty elite can bring any country to its knees.

Look at Cuba...Libya, Iraq, North Korea...

>>131659727
i don't think so. he was very effective. he pretty much managed to do anything he wanted
>>131659887
nothing much
it isn't happening yet, and i won't believe it's happening unless some major defections inside the government occur. so far, there's only been one. without that, for me, it's just the same as always
also there's no coup. some dude on a helicopter threw a few grenades over the supreme court building. that was it

>>131660431
It doesn't exist because he's full of shit debeers and another Canadian company bought and started mining the site with the De beers investing over a billion dollars into the mine construction and setting up logistics for the workers supplies and extraction of product.

>>131659389
I wish I got paid to post!

I can use my free time the way I want, thank you very much Mr Stalin

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>>131662722
>North Korea
You do realize that they do that to themselves right? Juche is their way of doing things.

>>131642005
nice argument, transfat faggot

>>131659581
I am actually Dilma, I am in my house in the South of Brazil

>>131638774
>Why didn't communism - excuse me - socialism work?
But it works.

>>131662722
>If you place sanctions on a business like they did with Venezuela and Russia, you basically kill their economy
fixed. they are sanctioning their own people in the first place

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>>131656309

That's called incentives, you nog. Similar to dental care or a retirement plan. It's the same as if you had just paid them an extra 10% of their yearly salary, only now you get to control (more or less) what it's going towards.

>>131660523
Look it up, you will vomit for days

They actually buy EVERYTHING...cause they are the only ones that can purchase diamonds.

They then store them and release only a given amount per year in order to keep prices ultra high

>muh oil prices
The shit comes out of the ground practically free and is nearly 100% profit, only a commie could fuck that up.

>>131661869
Because the have largest diamond supply and reserves under control. Diamonds outside africa are baby tier toys.

>>131662088
Venezuela has been under sanctions for as long as I can remember

They were shunned by the US back when they tried to install a puppet and failed. Like they do with every country

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>>131660132
You still don't understand what fucked up Venezuela is dutch disease ridden economy and the redistribution of LOW oil revenue to other sectors, govt and citizens. OPEC members can't take out competition

muh Deep state, my ass. The international market (suply-demand) doesn't have to bow to Maduro to minor his shitty effects of his policies. They have other oil sources.

>>131661204
Angolans run their country better than Venezuelans. Because they unfortunately don't give oil revenue to their all African citizens, don't scare away foreign investment with nationalizations,..

and estimulate other sectors of their economy and buy assets of foreign companies specially by Sonangol.
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>Venezuela was always a black sheep and therefore shunned on the world market in many respects.
Man, they have to compete internally with OPEC members and outsider with non-OPEC members and shale oil companies.
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If Latin America and its citizens vote for it is stucked in gibsmedat system or Latin socialism model, - beat it.
The more you colapse with shitty and big welfare policies, the better for the foreigners take up a cake of national interests and get strategic interests

The retardness comes from inside and your people, the rest comes later. That's the repayment for shitty socialist constitutions and shitty socialist govt. policies. One generation gets enriched and good living standards, other gets fucked up - in a unsustanaible economcial system like Latin American socialism and Venezuela completely reliant in oil exports - dutch diseased economy that then its oil revenue can't buy enough food or medicine with so little purchasing power.
>>131662722
>If you place sanctions on a country like they did with Venezuela .
.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/venezuela.aspx
>>131663347
Tell me what they consist of.

What do mean?

That's how it's suppose to work

That's why it is trash that should be rejected

>>131651945
No, you're thinking communism.
Socialism means no private ownership. Not the case in Venezuela.

>>131662878
too much negative MSM shit on North Korea since the war, therefore, I am dubious ...

they are after all one of the only countries not under the control of the central bank and always had legal marijuana...so I am even more dubious

>>131662722
>If Saudi Arabia had been placed under sanctions during the same time period, they would be in the exact same situation.

No, they'd just sell oil and gas to mainland China.

>>131663186
Ok Mr Devry Institute man

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>>131646706
Oil prices were meant to hurt Iran, Russia, and Syria. Venezuela was just shit.

Prices also hit Gulf states. Qatar couldn't afford to keep a $500 million TV station online. But most of the countries are diversified. "Royalty" from the UAE owns Manchester FC or some FC and Saudis own dozens of multi-million dollar properties in the UK.

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>>131656309
It depends what the scale is. If you're a global sized entity and secretly colluding with other large scale entities you would treat (((education))) as a segmentation.

>>131663651
HAHAHAHA, so by being able to sell your product to only a limited number of countries = you will have a growing economy.

Do you not think that by being under sanction and you can't have a fair market value for your oil that the one or two countries you sell too won't get your shit for dirt cheap?

After all, china can buy from anybody it wants, if Venezuela can sell only to China, then China will ask for a very good price....

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>>131663588
You do realize there's nothing to actually prevent them from trading with others right? We can't blockade their border with China.

>>131664093
Gulf states already own so much in Europe, they won't be hurt by oil as much in the past.

>>131663950
They knew full well that with all the sanctions, Venezuela would probably go down in flames, just a little beneficial ripple effect.

Sanctions and market manipulation are tools to bring countries to their knees

>>131660132
So one potential buyer refuses to buy your stuff, that's OK you cannot force people to purchase something from you, you just go and sell it to other people, stop believing doomsday bullshit and you might also prosper.

>>131664175
But if a country is supposed to be dying and they still get money somehow, somebody is buying their shit.

You think China wants to irritate the USA, especially that China has a much bigger trade deal with the USA than North Korea.

>>131664315
De Beers is the ONLY company in the world that can purchase and sell your diamonds

Look it up, you will become enraged!

>>131656629
If civil war comes, many Venezuelans will leave their country as refugees, going either to Colombia, Brazil, Panama, Dominican Republic, Chile, Mexico, Canada, or the US.

>>131646961
GTFO here your asshole, don't try to bait the burgers with those freaking conspiracies.

You're a big fucking commie, no one buys that Lula father of the poor bullshit.

Deep state my ass, how come other countries are able to prosper on the last decades like AUS, CAN, JPN, fuck even CHN is better than SA shithole.

>>131663203
isnt it wierd that communism is such a dead ideology that all you have are stale memes?
go buy a sawblade, or a grinder wheel. look at it under a microscope.
what are those? diamonds you lard

>>131653098
>However, some of his policies had positive effects on the lower class employees I have at my company. Their lives did improve no matter what you believe Mr Couch Politician
anecdotal evidence will NEVER beat statistics, retard

>>131664613
>the Only company that can purchase and sell diamonds
It seems they indeed were a huge monopoly, but you have to understand, believing that they are the only ones buying and selling diamonds is simply not realistically possible.

>>131664911
Here is some ointment for your asshole

I am sorry my truth dick was too big for your tender little fuck pit

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>>131664492
>they still get money somehow, somebody is buying their shit
First, autarky is a thing, no one necessarily needs to buy their stuff for them to have money. 2nd, China regularly donates food supplies to them, to prevent mass starvation. China knows the USA won't do shit to stop this, since China is too important to them, and North Korea keeps to themselves mostly.

>>131664960
Ok...so I need to explain cause you can't go online and do some research.

De Beers is the only company that can buy diamonds to be put on the world market.

They release a given amount of diamonds a year onto said market. Middlemen buy them from De Beers and get to sell them to the plebs

Diamond are then cut into fancy shapes. The resulting dust is then sold to be put on blades and tools

Go fucking read instead of watching porn

>>131663428
>buy enough food or medicine with so little purchasing power.
Anon they literally cannot afford to print the money to pay for printing their money
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/04/28/congratulations-to-bolivarian-socialism-now-venezuela-cannot-afford-to-pay-for-its-own-money/

>>131665650
they are, go read

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>b4loV6UX
>74 posts by this ID
I hope you're staying hydrated.

>>131665782
There are so many sanctions on North Korea that it causes famine.

Sanctions more often than not cause these types of things.

Libya is a great example, so is Iraq

>>131665706
That must be why you ignored
>>131663428

>>131666345
Yes thanks, I am enjoying a nice Genipapo liqueur on ice...quite nice :)

>>131645148
>I operate a toilet accessory business in Brazil

Do you sell suicide showers?

>>131639919
>Venezuela got wrecked because their main source of income was oil.
>main source of income was oil
>main

Only. And why was that? Because there were no fucking MARKETS and competition and initiative were punished because Socialists literally hate both of those things.

Now the Good Little Leftists are eating their own pets. Well I say it's justice.

>>131666533
Ignored HAHAHAHAHA

I caused a mother fucking root canal on this bitch of a thread

The more flak I get, the deeper I dig

>>131666172
Dude, if a diamond mine is discovered here what makes you think I'll go to de beers and asks them to sell them to me? This kind of exclusion from the diamond monopoly and independent trade agreements is what I'm talking about.

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>>131666360
>There are so many sanctions on North Korea that it causes famine
Remind me how our sanctions are causing their farms to dry up? I suppose they can't help but put those people in those concentration camps, what with all the sanctions and all.

Seriously, they have a perfectly good border with China who is doing everything in their power to keep them from collapsing, any famine that occurs in NK is pretty much their own doing.

>>131666651
Venezuela had a decent manufacturing...steel, aluminium and cement.

Again, with iron ore being diddled with AND sanctions preventing them from doing any significant trade deals with neighboring countries and on the world market, you can't do very much.

Countries like Saudi Arabia, not under sanction were still able to keep afloat. If sanctions had been brought against them as well, they would be toast as well. It will probably come at some point when the US stabs them in the back

>>131667142
Because they are the only ones that can purchase your diamonds and then distribute them onto the world market.

Go read up on De Beers

>>131667355
>with AND sanctions preventing them
What are the sanctions again to Venezuela? Can you specify it?

>>131667347
Just like Libya or Iraq or Cuba...once you are under sanction, no company wants to touch you. If you do continue business, you face penalties and possible sanctions.

Sanctions upon a country that deals with exports of any kind = certain death.

Why do you think the US keeps extending the sanctions on Russia? they want to hurt them bad.

Take a look at what happened to the US companies that had business deals with Iran...not pretty

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>>131652151
>Is this capitalism? maybe a mix of socialism and capitalism??? who the fuck cares. It works, creates new stable businesses and makes shit go round.

Said every corrupt politician ever

>it werks on my machine LOL

you truly cant see the forest from all the trees which is weird for a monkey

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>>131667727
Isn't it a bit hypocritical to be a socialist nation and then claim that the only reason you're failing is because capitalist USA businesses don't want to deal with you?

>>131667637
go look it up. I am not here to give you a class on geopolitics...

After sanctions comes US boots on the ground...

This hoax grenade attack will be used for the US to go into Venezuela...watch and see

>>131667637
He ignored you once and myself pointing this out to him which is quite indicative of him blindly spewing talking points of a narrative not an informed opinion

>>131667884
when you manipulate prices and play with sanctions it is pretty clear to see the game is fixed

Ron Paul spoke about this very situation a while back. He is one of the few people who speaks out about this dirty tactic
The US used this on Cuba, Libya, Somalia, Iran, Russia, Venezuela, etc

>>131667899
>go look it up.
see: >>131663428
>>If you place sanctions on a country like they did with Venezuela .
.
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/pages/venezuela.aspx

Now tell me how does this affect the economy AND:
>sanctions preventing them from doing any significant trade deals with neighboring countries

>>131667950
I ignore you cause you are the useless load that dribbled out of your mom's ass.

All you do is talk conjecture and repeat the word vomit you read on MSM

I don't feed trolls but obviously I got to you enough that you are still reading my posts...

I love it!

>>131668185
>when you manipulate prices and play with sanctions
Again, what are economical sanctions? Are you making them up?

>>131668276
Check out Ron Paul. He does a very good job at explaining this dirty trick the US uses against countries they don't like.

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>>131668185
>when you manipulate prices and play with sanctions it is pretty clear to see the game is fixed
That's what happens when you declare yourselves as the enemy of what every other nation stands for. You can't just expect no opposition, and if the socialist nations couldn't hack it when they owned half the world then they certainly aren't gonna do any good today.

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>>131638774

>B-b-but they seized the means of production. Why didn't communism - excuse me - socialism work?

And you have a nazi flag... hmm next level play it is.

>>131667950
>>131667637

Coincidentally he proved my point for me
>>131667899
>Boots on the ground.
Contrary to your oil narrative the only reason Iraq Libya Syria and Iran are targets has little to do with oil so your connection with Venezuela is malarkey.

The reason those nations we're targeted has to do with a policy first out into motion by the man who came up with it oded yinon.

>>131668467
Ron Paul explains this dirty trick very well.

He is one of the few politicians that speaks the truth and attempts to shed some light on this nefarious practice

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>>131668658
Don't you think it's a little silly that the only way socialist nations can survive is off the charity and goodwill of capitalist nations?

>>131668658

Post some links man, The relevant lectures at least.

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>>131668575
>some high-ranking officers in Venezuela possessing real estate and banques accounts in 2015
> the cause of Crisis in Venezuela since 2012 aggravated in last 2 years.

>>131668355
>I ignore you cause you are the useless load that dribbled out of your mom's ass.
See that's exactly my point you didn't ignore me you ignored another person who directly contradicted much of your talking points.

The fact that you're angrily spewing insults at another person for pointing this out while also thinking that person is the one you're arguing with is just telling of your own frustration with not being able to hold up your narrative.
>>131668463
Ron Paul himself contradicts this inane leftist conspiracy theory you're proposing and has always pointed out that Venezuela is collapsing because of the socialism they foolishly were swindled into letting be put into place.

And yes you're right Ron Paul does call out what he refers to as the "Deep state" when they're actually doing something like in Ukraine or Syria but not so much in Venezuela so stop excusing the failures of a system that fails the same way every time because it is set up to fail in this exact way because it is a disservice most of all to the people currently fighting over food thanks solely to this shit system

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>>131638774
b-but d-democratic socialism isn't true socialism!

>>131668852
They don't exist as someone who's followed Ron Paul since 06 when I got interested in politics because the narrative he's proposing doesn't fit with the reality.
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>>131669186
Is the "ebul sanctions collapsing Venezuela" which had been collapsing years before hand.

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>>131644645
>The deep state KNEW they could kill (or could kill) two birds with one stone Russia + Venezuela with rigging of oil prices and deflating the value of crude oil.
Um, sweetie American oil production and refining infastructure was ramping up as prices seemed to level out in the $75-80 barrel range. American oil companies wannted a sweet piece of that pie, then suddenly the mid east conglomerate of gulf states pulled a straight up undercut tactic to diminish american profits and will do so until that infastructure is all scrapped. Gas isnt $2 a gallon because america flooded the market to give you a deal, honey