Alright you capitalist fucks

>>131627396
You need to ask more, what kind of product, service, market etc...

>>131627396
silly burger just add "hand-made eco- bio- organic" to the name of your product

>>131627396
just start a business buy old sneaker and then selling them to dumb niggers for like 100% mark up

>>131628961
Or just spray some color into water and call it grape drink.

>>131627396
They can't. Capitalism yields oligarchy every time.

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>>131627396
That's not capitalism
That's the Jews.
Lurk more newfag.

>>131627396
You don't. also when you work for megamultinational shit companies, you are paying support taxes to them so they can pay ur salary. its cycle of slavery, work slave. but hey, ppl are happy being slaves.

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>>131629376
capitalism is jewish in nature

>>131628788
>>131628961
only good advices

>>131627396
State power, taxes and regulations supports corporate growth and kills small businesses

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>>131627396
You should read Milton Friedmans work.
The USA has slowly been turning into a plutocratic society for the past 15 to 20 years.

Its a disgrace.

>>131627396
Make somthing new and copyright it brainlet

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>>131629499
>A
>FUCKING
>ANCAP

>>131627396
Why would you start a small business that does the exact same thing a larger business already does?

It's called competition, either do something better or original, or shut the fuck up.

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>>131627396

>Somewhere deep inside his mind, a flame like object burned continually. It was rage. It was hatred. A mysterious and terrifying urge to decimate anything filled with the despicable force known as leftists.
>There were still people not yet slaughtered, things not yet smashed to smithereens. That very fact occupied the forefront of his mind as an unforgivable sin. They were nothing more than specks of filth on the great ashen mother earth. They could not be allowed to exist.
>They needed to be cleansed.

Regulations. Nothing wrong with interventionalist capitalism.

>>131627396
Welcome to reality kid

>>131629656
Not a argument

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I'll let Tom Woods explain it to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6dD-ifIr8s

Sell tap water with paint and sugar.

>>131627396
small businesses can offer a higher standard of customer interaction because theyre small and run by normal folks whereas corporations seem like some sort of impersonal machine. Theres also too much government interference with corporations to give them advantages

>>131627396
Make a product or service that your targeted customers want more than existing products or services??? Just a guess

they aren't, it's called efficient allocation of resources.

sorry but not sorry, commie.

>>131627396
You mean couple cents less ?

>>131629802
Sure it is.
Let's pretend we live in Ancapistan. So you have your own homestead that you've worked hard to support. And now you build another house and then rent it out to some couple for profit.

What makes it yours? The NAP? What if I don't agree to the NAP? I'm just going to seize your regular house with my ninja attack force while you come to rescue your rental house. You don't claim it through occupation. You can only own property that you can't physically protect by using the state to violently intervene against people who encroach on property you claim through imaginary decree. We are a society of hoarders enabled by officially sanctioned violence.

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>>131629656
>pic
people always say this but its retarded, I can protect my own property, statist

>>131630167
You make it your property via statism you fucking retard.

>>131630122
This is why your country is poor.

>>131630167
People like you cry about statism but if I showed up at your door to sort your shit out for you you'd be cowering in a corner crying for the mommy state to make the big scawy man go away. You are a fucking pathetic hypocrite. You are the very essence of Jewery.

>>131627396
Capitalism for me but not for thee.

>>131627396
That thousands are, right now, across the US

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>>131630201
ARE YOU CLAIMING PROPERTY DOESN'T EXIST WITHOUT A STATE? HOW DID CAVEMEN CLAIM A BOAR AS THEIR OWN WHEN THEY KILLED IT THEN?

>>131630139

private defense companies.

>>131627396


Be you.
>>your god is Darwinism.
>>You believe in evolution.
>>But you refuse to understand Natural selection.
ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE.
But be you.
>>You mysteriously wonder why the small business can't profit.
Be you.....
>>A moron

>>131629465
this

>>131630364
>deliberately misreading my posts and making this shit strawman argument
KYS faggot.
You are a pile of garbage.
Found the fucking Jew.

>>131630371
And what makes their actions valid?

>>131627396
Read some Christensen, anon. The more a business grow, the more they'll pursuit ways to make more profit from those 20% of outputs that generates 80% of profit and get rid of those 80% of outputs which generates 20% of the profit. But these 80% are the 20% for other business, on and on and on.

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>>131630290
>mom look how tough I am on the internet
kill yourself manlet

>>131630139
let me answer that - me and my friendly neighbours will come and shoot the shit out of you and your ninja squad with our automatic firearms.

>>131630290
same thing applies here - you won't make more than 2 steps before getting your ass shot.

>>131630364
yes. obviously he's retarded

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>>131627396

Work or die.

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>>131630447

>>131629916
Underrated

Corporations have overhead; when I'm competing against a corporation while living in a 4x4 apartment, they're paying for a huge building, salaries of executives, yadda yadda.

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>>131630364
this

property may be a social construct but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Anything you have the power to claim as your own is effectively yours.

>>131630457
Not if I McNuke your delusional kike worshipping ass first.

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>>131630139
Private company's and neighbors i hired, also it still wasn't a argument read the logical fallacy sticky

>>131630544
That WAS my argument you fucking retard.

>>131630403
You said:
>You make it your property via statism you fucking retard.
I said:
>ARE YOU CLAIMING PROPERTY DOESN'T EXIST WITHOUT A STATE? HOW DID CAVEMEN CLAIM A BOAR AS THEIR OWN WHEN THEY KILLED IT THEN?

moron where is the misread? Do you think property == land or something?

>>131630428
They have been hired using currency

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Faggot ass Nazi leftists ruining another thread, what a surprise.

>>131630555
How is that a logical fallacy?
I consider you and your private security force a violation of the NAP.

>>131630638

>all these Jewish tears

Cry some more, you fucking kike

>>131630601
I made several posts on the topic. You are focusing on one. You already revealed the fact that you are a kike. Get back in the oven and shut the fuck up. I have nothing further to say to you.

>>131630627
>muh currency
lolwut. That's more statism.

>>131630582
sure the state is a means of enforcing your property claims, but that doesn't mean you can't use other methods to enforce your claims

>>131630547
Then you'll get nuked for violating the NAP by the other McNuke owners in the area, bro. Are you seriously that retarded?

>>131630673
>everyone I don't like is a jew

Go join Antifa, they want to destroy capitalism too.

>>131630744
Not if my Kentucky Fried Computer Hackers™ don't sabotage their missile silos first.

>>131630646
Calling someone stupid in a argument is a ad hominem a fallacy and having a group of people hired to protect your NAP doesn't infringe on anyone elses

>>131630682
>Look mom I called him a jew which means I win the argument!

What's it like having brain damage?

>All the faggot statists in this thread

>>131630702
>They have been hired using currency
what? what's statist about bitcoin?

>>131630731
My point is and always have been that ancaps are fucking delusional in thinking that private ownership doesn't or even shouldn't make them obliged to the social contract. Because the only thing that makes their ownership claim over something they can't physically protect valid is the power of the state.

>>131630824
Please don't use logic and reason, it's too much to understand.

>>131630861
>What are private defence companies

>>131630702
Gold silver and bitcoin nigga

>>131630828
>>131630824
>HE USED AN INSULT THAT'S TOTALLY AD HOMINEM EVEN THOUGH THERE'S AN ENTIRE LOGICALLY STRUNG OUT ARGUMENT ATTACHED TO IT THAT I'M COMPLETELY IGNORING
Fucking pathetic.

>>131630854
I own the only farm in these parts and I don't accept bitcoin. Starve more cryptofag.

>>131627396
Cut taxes. Not like the large corporations pay much, if any, on them anyway faggot.

>>131630927
And again you fucking retards. The only thing that makes the action of those private defense companies "valid" is the state.

>>131630941
Not a argument

>>131630941
How does a PMC violate the NAP ?
It doesn't infringe upon anyone else's liberties.

>>131627396
you just pull yourself up by your bootstraps silly anon

>>131630962
great non-existing scenario

>>131631002
Not really considering IM paying them to protect MY stuff. A state is not needed for this.

>>131630861
>My point is and always have been that ancaps are fucking delusional in thinking that private ownership doesn't or even shouldn't make them obliged to the social contract

Thats not a point, its an assertion/ad hominem. You have to explain how you arrived at the conclusion that private ownership can't exist without a state especially when there are several historical examples of it existing sans state (1800's western north american homesteading for example).

>>131631070
Well I disagree with your claim. So I'm going to hire my own private security force to slaughter yours so that I can have my way with your tight asshole.

>>131631002
>punishing rape is only legal if it's done by the State

this is how stupid you sound

>>131630673

You storm faggots are getting really fucking obnoxious. The Nazi larping on /pol/ is a shitload of fun and it trigger the fuck out of normies and leftists, but goddamn you actual stormfaggots that are unironically national socialists are fucking annoying as all fuck.

I bet it triggers the fuck out of you to know that the country today that comes to closest to national socialism is Israel.

> Are you seriously that retarded?
>>131630784
>>131630962
>>131631002
you could've answered with a a simple 'yes', no need to prove how retarded you are

>>131630039
We have a winner ladies gentlemen

Say it with me

MADAM /THREAD

>>131631002
No the contract that me and the owner of the company have is what makes it valid and if the owner jews me ill have another company destroy his company

>>131629376
That's what capitalism and the free market are. Why do you think Jews are called the merchant class? Capitalism is intrinsically linked with Jewry, Christianity strongly rejects capitalist principles.

>>131627396
Every new business fills a niche /thread

>>131629610
Reminder that this man was beaten to death and hung from his feet for all to spit on

>>131631103
Now everyone hates you and hires more companies to kill you and since the PMC doesn't want to be destroyed as a business they refuse to do any business with you, now you are all alone. Also it is in violation of the NAP.

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>>131627396
they are supposed to be bankrupted the people can either try to join the bigger business or do something else.

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>>131627396
I'm sure people would buy cocksucking lessons from you. Get creative you whiny faggot

>>131630039
Are you retarded? How is 1% owning 70% of national wealth an efficient allocation of resources?

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>>131631103
McNukes© are already on the way to your house

>>131631002
how?

why does the state need to be involved to make things """""""""valid""""""""?

all you need to do to assert your property claims is a show of force. In most instances people have private security to protect their property even with the government because laws are irrelevant without people to enforce them (this includes self enforcement)

>>131631255
Too fucking late. They are all dead already. I now own the world. Your face is a pile of shit and violates the NAP. Are you ready to come crying to the state yet?

>>131631264
That picture doesnt even make sense in this thread. He never gave you a set of rules to abide by just an example.

>>131630167
>when your ideology has no trademark events or memes aside from the ones shitting on you so you rip them off from other ideologies

>>131631264
this image perfectly describes you at the moment actually

>>131631329
people paying less in a supermarket than they would pay in a mom and pop shop is efficient allocation of resources, stop strawmanning my point you illiterate nigger.

>>131631165
Christianity is agaist money lending, not capitalism in general

>>131627396
They are not expected. They have to die. They lost competition.

>>131631349
No PMC would do that, it would completely destroy their business.
See this picture which was ironically posted by a nazi>>131631264

>>131631349
No because a state has no competition to keep it inline

>>131631347
>Muh private security.
How retarded are you fucking retarded ancap faggots? Want to know what will really happen.
>Here you go guys. This house is mine because I got here first. But I am living somewhere else. So here's a bunch of money and weapons to protect it for me.
>Private security force proceeds to use free guns and free money to seize your property, murder you, and then seize your main property.

>>131630544
That's exactly the point you idiot.
You have to have the power - nobody - fucking NOBODY is going to give a shit about the nap.

The strong going to rule the weak -and believe me you're not going to be one of the strong.

I also never thought i would argue on the side of ANCAPS. Their dumb but not as bad as nazi-boos which started a war and had horrible economic policy with so many IOU'S.

>>131627396
> fagot thinks this hasnt been thought of a million times before
any decent country has laws against monopoly and supports small businesses and entrepeneurs
these incentives exist in usa, europe, israel, east asia, etc.
now tell me how the fuck is a communist country suppposed to help small businesses when noone can own a business and everyone has their shit rationed
shut the fuck up fagot

>>131631479
Other warlords see this and kill them

Niggers

>>131631479
They wouldnt do that, it would destroy their business reputation and no one would hire them again. Nazi cant even argue correctly.

>>131627396
Just work harder you stupid communist. It's your own fault that other people screw you over.
Unless you're claiming to be screwed over by the government and you're a rich person or business owner. Then it's all their fault.
/s

>>131631428
Christianity is not against money lending, it's against making profit from money lending. Aka the core principle of capitalism.

>>131631420
Jobs being outsourced and mom and pop being unemployed and unable to shop anywhere is efficient? You're the nigger.

>>131631630
/s go back

>>131631582
Why? Because you're such a great guy and everybody loves you? Fuck that. People look at you preaching about the NAP, they think of you as a complete fucking pussy and come murder your ass and rape your family because you're a fucking pussy-ass faggot who doesn't surrender to pure anarchy.

>>131631479
>Private security force proceeds to use free guns and free money to seize your property, murder you, and then seize your main property.

this actually sounds like a lot of States throughout history

>>131631582
>other warlords care about what happens to your retarded ass
HA

>>131631619
Why would they need to be hired? They are armed.

>>131631664
>go around siezing people property
>people won't react to this

Are you an idiot ?

>>131627396
Easy, start a couple fires.

>>131631707
because it is a business

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>>131627396
Ancaps can't actually be serious.

>>131631655
>le everyone I don't le like is le rebbit meme

>>131631726
How will they react?
There's no public broadcast infrastructure to carry the word. People are retards and would rather watch McSurvivor than the news so nobody bothered to make a news station.

>>131631704
>>131631664
Other warlords kill the other people for my old property

>>131631789
>le
>/s
It's not i don't like you, just don't bring your cancerous culture here and the best way for that to happen is to GO BACK.

>>131631741
So is being a marauder. Just look at the artifacts of the glory days of piracy on the high seas. They kept business records.

>>131631648
the customer getting lower prices is efficient, yes. Study creative destruction lest you continue to make an idiot of yourself in this thread.

You have to understand that AnCaps breathe economics and political philosphy, you cannot beat us in our own game.

>>131631802
And you're dead. Because you fell for the ancap meme.

>>131631420

Yup. And economies of scale tend to favor bigger manufacturers and bigger retailers, there are sectors of the economy that favor small businesses due to their ability to adapt quicker and change with the market.

For instance, I have a small business with 5 employees in a constantly changing industry (and I really do... I have a small logistics firm). If I want to change anything from our phone system, to our database, to our work platform, I can do it overnight, have a meeting in the morning to explain to my staff the changes we've made, and boom we're off and running. Now try any of those things I've just mentioned with a company of 500 employees or more. It's quite burdensome. Also, unlike big companies, we have no long term liabilities. Which allows us to be very nimble.

>>131627396
>You think your system is so great, but have you ever imagined what would happen if a large corporation could keep itself in power by offering consumers the absolute lowest possible prices?!
Sounds great to me. I don't understand why you're insinuating that we should want higher prices and lower quantities.

>>131631802
>implying they won't already have been killed by their McPMCs
lmao

Here's a scenario for you
>all the retarded ancap edgelords buy their own PMCs
>this lasts for a week or two
>suddenly the PMCs collude to murder them all and take their land
>fat fucks get slaughtered
>???
>profit

>>131631790
>people won't build their own infrastructure
someone find the pic of smugglers repairing roads in Russia

>>131631582
And then proceededs to buttrape you instead of the warlord he killed.

Much. Better.

>>131627396
>How does my local burger shop stay in business when McDonald's still exists?

Are you retarded?

>>131631873
Yes but they were actively hunted by others.

>>131631914
>repairing roads
costs a lot less money than
>building a road to begin with.
Unless you're talking about a shitty dirt wagon trail that you can only go 5mph across.

>>131627396
By regulating the market so that you can't force out the opposition

>>131631960
So? That didn't stop them from violating the McNAP.

>>131627396
Government supported corporate monopolies are not capitalism

>>131631897
I was generalizing. I only spoke about the example OP set out on his faggy post.

good for you.

>>131631914
Yeah Russian is known for its beautiful great roads.
Plz kys

>>131631986
Still a step towards building and shows people will maintain infrastructure sans-government. It's a large step towards building their own and people would do that considering it allows for more efficient transport.

>>131631707
Like everyone else. Even if they tried to raid somebody's house they would probably lose more than they would loot.

>>131631121
we don't want you here. go back to your shitty subreddit

>>131632091
>America
>Arguing against ancap
You know your best period of growth was with ancapesque policies.

>>131632114
They seem to be arguing under the pretence that no-one else is armed.

>>131631906

you are aware that all of your made-up batshit scenarios are applicable to the State, and in fact have been perpetrated by States throughout history. right? right?

>>131631121
/r/ancap detected
What's it like knowing your ideology was created by a zionist jew and is pushed by kikes today?
>https://thejewishlibertarian.com
K E K

>>131632104
>Be you
>watch neighbor get marauded
>Start patching road so you can drive to your other neighbors to warn them
>Hardcore ancap sees you patching the road, which was originally built by the eebil gubmint. This violates the NAP so he slaughters you before himself getting taken out by marauders.

>>131631790
But there are plenty of news stations in 'Murrica, and they are all private.

>>131627396
Who /progressivecorporationtaxrate/ here?

>>131627396
People have the choice to buy what they want, if they give a fuck about small businesses, they survive. Else not.
However that requires fair incomes, so yeah, I think capitalism needs rules.

>>131631121
National socialism is a bit too much for my taste but it's still much better than what we have today, provided that your economy isn't reliant on plundering neighbours.

>>131632244
>I don't have an argument 101

>>131632213
That's why you elect a reliable state into existence that does not slaughter its own people. McPMCs have no reason not to kill you and take your shit. The state does.

>>131632285
Not me considering taxation is theft

>>131632075

And I was absolutely agreeing with you. Big retailers and big manufacturers benefit from economies of scale, and we all benefit from the lower prices. It would be dumb to have a moma nd pop grocer anymore, because you just can't compete with the big guys. But I wanted to point out to OP that not everything is stacked against small businesses and that there are some sectors where being small and nimble is actually better than being large and slow/expensive to adapt.

>>131632342
Yes they do business, nothing about that is hard if you have atleast 2 IQ.

>>131627396
So we should do a mulligan every 150 years?
Redistribute all wealth and dissolve all companies?
People will be alright with it as long as they agree with it beforehand.

>>131632210
no my point is all you faggots seem to think that people have to do what they are told if money is involved. Pro tip: They don't.

You think everybody is going to lick your boots when everybody is armed. Because you think you're such a great guy. Well I can tell you right now: You're an obnoxious delusional faggot. That violates the NAP. You won't survive 5 seconds in your little dream world.

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>>131632432
They won't but they most likely will as most people arent murderous psychopaths

>>131632221

>t.16 year old on summer break

>>131632405
Who needs business when you can just take what you want lmao
Stupid fuck, the only reason PMCs today don't go rogue is because the state is there to wipe them off the map if they try anything funny.

>>131632473
>muh faith in humanity

>>131632349
It's not. It's similar to a private security force, only much more reliable and responsible. You're paying a bunch of people to maintain society for you.
>>131631752

>>131627396

>What are taxicabs

>What is Uber

>>131632487
Projectin a bit hard there buddy. Especially for someone so new they've never even heard of /new/.

>>131632342
no, if you can create batshit scenarios, so can I, so here goes:

>your super reliable state decides it can fuck over it's own people and starts killing them (korea, venezuela, iraq, turkey, germany,..)

HA WHAT NOW STATEKEK STATES DONT WORK HAHAHA I WON

>>131630371
That will probably end up imposing their own rules and regulations somewhat akin to a state

>>131632162
Im actually Russian so please don't explain weak states and capitalism to me. I saw it first hand.

Sencond of all -asking for a small government is not the same as dismissing the fucking government.

Why do you idiological driving idiots always try to fundamentaly change the the system -its ends with blood every time.
from black life's matter to ancaps -i hope you all fucking die and your ideas die with you.

>>131632498
>Who needs business
I don't know people who want to make money and survive.

>>131632604
>state fucks over people
>collapses due to lack of population and workforce to pay taxes and provide income for the country
Oops

>>131631121
fuck off cunt, storm fags are much more welcome than your garbage.

>>131632604
>shock, gasp
It's almost like a balance is preferable to reckless idealism.

>>131629672
>muh communism
You don't even need to be a Jew to brainwash burgers. Niggers can compel you.

>>131632667
Why make money when you can just take it? Dumb faggot.

>>131627396

>What was Blockbuster

>What is Netflix

Are communists really this stupid? How do they ever become a threat through such egregious stupidity?

>>131632659
I don't care if you're russian, i was just stating americas best growth was with extremely libertarian policies. Also no it doesnt that's just communism.

>>131632736
Because that is extremely high risk and most people arent thiefs.

>>131632598

The Nazi flag is only funny if its ironic. It's not funny if you're a real stormfag.

>>131632690

>private defence company fucks over people
>collapses due to lack of population and workforce to pay and agreed upon amount.

game. set. match. It was a pleasure.

>>131627396
Just become a doctor lol

>>131632813
>thieves
Not too hard to storm into some fat faggot's house, kill him, take his shit and move on to the next fat ancap faggot who's McPMCs were out for lunch.

>>131632850
>IT'S NOT FUNNY TO BE POLITICALLY INCORRECT ON POLITICALLY INCORRECT.
t. newfag.

>>131632881
The state can't just go around taking everyone's shit because eventually it will run out of money because nothing's flowing into the country. PMCs can because there will always be someone left to loot.

>>131632906
>People can still do that now but they don't

>>131627396

Have you ever read Zero To One?

Businesses in competitive markets are NOT mean to turn a profit.

If you start a business that already has competitors and you don't provide anything that creates value and is revolutionary then you're setting yourself up to fail.

>>131632881
Why do they need a work force? They are armed to the tits. They need only roam the land and harvest the fruits of everybody else's labour. When one region has been plundered they move on to the next, and come back once society is rebuilt.

>>131633022
didnt mean to greentext

>>131632850
>MUH STORMKEKS REEE REEE REEE
HelIo reddit!

>>131632719
it's not us who always comes up with worst case scenarios. It's always Statists. You are in dire need of education. Look up The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas. This is the AnCap's case for dissolving the State, as expendient as it may be to some.

>>131632764
>technologies will continue to create new markets forever and ever meme

>>131633022
Because of who? Oh right, the fucking state.

>>131632928
>I'm only acting retarded

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>>131627396
Not even trying desu

>>131633099
Castle doctrine, basic humanity(storm-keks don't have this) and the NAP

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>>131633083
>HAH, I READ A BOOK. CHECK MATE
Wow. I'm done for. Sorry guys. I have to drop out of this debate now.

>>131632993
special pleading fallacy.

try again.

>>131633152
You realize that people have been attempting the NAP under different names since the dawn of Christianity and it doesn't fucking work right? You seriously expect humans to stop behaving the way they have for thousands of years just because muh freedumbs?

>>131632786
God you people are just like commies. We want socialism not Communism. Relaxe guys geeeeez!

Fucking say it open. Don't weasl around.

Are you arguing for your stateless Utopia or for a small government?

If you think that's basically the same please kill yourself.

>>131633214
Fallacy fallacy.
The state economy functions as a closed loop and thus can't effectively plunder from itself.
Different than just plundering from the outside and moving from one economy to the other.

>>131633214
>state
>requires workforce in order to maintain GDP
>PMC
>doesn't require workforce to maintain GDP
Wonder how that works.

>>131633027
what's stopping a State from doing this?

that's right, multiple defence agencies.

I know you socialists have a problem with competition on the market, but yeah, as with all things on the market, defence will be subject to competition as well.

Are you even trying? this is way too ez. I've had tougher debates on leftypol

>>131633061

>le "everyone I don't like is a jew or a newfag plebbitor" meme

Shouldn't you be at summer camp?

>>131633340
>Faggot fallacy: When the poster is such a faggot you aren't even going to bother explaining yourself again because they are a delusional idealist.

>>131633198
you can look it up on fucking wiki to get a tl dr you fucking mongoloid. its a famous ethical dilemma

>>131633248
How are we like commies. We are literall the opppostie in every way. Also socialism is a large step to communism.

>>131633364
Well you aren't denying being a redditor who's never even heard of /new/ aren't you?

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>>131633340
>that's right, multiple defence agencies.
Owned by the state. Which is in turn a closed loop and therefore requires a workforce in order to bring in profit to the country. PMCs don't.

>>131633364
Jewery and references thereto are part of the lexicon of this board. If you're too much of a brainlet to grasp the nuances here then piss off. There's nothing more libcuck-esque than controlling the debate by controlling the "acceptable language" of the debate.

>>131633470
It wasn't intended as one.

>>131633433
Except your just as naive -if not more.
Complete ignoring human nature.
And you both lie and weasle yourself out of the argument.

Pretty much income you see.

No fucking tell me -small state or no state?

>>131633701
A small state as a stepping stone to no state.

>>131633701
Also state where i lied.

>>131633787
And that's why neither work.

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>>131629370
[COMMIE DETECTED]

>>131633295
see
>>131633340

>>131633319
nigger do you really want me to explain to you how taxpayers are the same to the State as clients are to the private defense company? I mean, at some point you have to do some thinking, I can't do it all for you.

>>131633787
Well somewhere along the way of dismantling the state a large number of people will be very unhappy with the change. Are you ready to spill their blood?

>>131633847
That doesnt even make sense

>>131633873
>explain what stops a state from doing this
>WELL YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION. WHAT STOPS A STATE FROM DOING THIS?

>>131633923
He said you idiot.

>>131634029
NOT ARGUMENT LEEL

>>131633874
>Well somewhere along the way of dismantling the state a large number of people will be very unhappy with the change. Are you ready to spill their blood?
I could ask the same of natsoc

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>>131627396
I'll simplify it for you

Our entire economy is made from debt.
Something Something Gold Standard Something Something 1971
((({>)))

>>131633787
For massive political change to occur you will need a revolution

Would that not break your NAP

>>131633873
The state requires the taxpayers and the taxpayers require the state. The PMCs don't require the clients when they can just kill them and take their shit. Basic logic.

>>131633923
yes, and I argued special pleading since the State is an dependent on it's subjects as a private defence company is on it's clients. That's why you arguing for the superiority of the State was invalid. I remember now.

Natsocs reverting to insults as they get BTFO

>>131634086
Small gradual change over the course of years. Then it's not really massive change.

>>131634068
I'm no more a natsoc than the guy with the Jihadi flag is an ISIS militant. So I'd be the wrong person to ask.

>>131633583
>Jewery and references thereto are part of the lexicon of this board

You don't think I fucking know that? Hell, I fucking hate the Jews too, because they're a bunch of racist fucks with double standards for how they treat each other versus how they treat the rest of us (a recurring theme throughout history). I fucking hate that they gave us cultural Marxism, the greatest tool of subversion the west has ever known, and many jews just go along with it because they make sheckles off of things like selling sex to teenagers. But not everything is a jewish conspiracy you fuck tards. Least of all capitalism. The subversive jew fucking hates real capitalism, because the subversive jew is all about control. Jews love cronyism. Not capitalism. They actually fear capitalism. They fear their banks being allowed to fail, like they should have back in 2008.

>>131634146
Nobody's getting BTFO here other than your stupid PMC logic fuckface.

>>131634192
>real capitalism has never been tried

>>131627396
AnCaps and Libertarians are not the same despite what AnCaps may preach. Libertarians believe in a legitimate function of government. I am a Libertarian Ethno-Nationalist. I believe in a very small, central government, efficient state governments, property, liberty and the NAP FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

>>131633787
Finally. So now please explain why you bring up that America was so great under a smaller state (arguably) if that's not what you want.
You want fucking no state.

Because just like a commie you lie about your true intentions -blow smoke until someone just straight out asks you what you REALLY want.

Socialism instead of Communism
Small state instead of no state.

But if you dig deeper it's all bullshit -you people are ready to go fully bloodbath to get you outcome.
Don't fucking talk about small government. Because that's not your goal.
Your goal is to distroy your country.

>>131633198
It's a 4 page long, short story, faggot

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>>131630428
Might is Right

>>131634296
Because it was their greatest economic growth and went from a back water shithole in 1800's to the greatest industrial power in the 1900's.

I want a small state, i'm just arguing for the ancaps because natsocks are retarded and caused the death of millions.

Also stop putting words on my mouth saying what i want.

>>131634296
Because these brainlets act like they are so well read but they are clearly ignorant of the history in those times. Nobody bothered to write about the plight of the working man in any of these times (Except Charles Dickens of course) so they have this unrealistic picture of what it is like to be in such a society based on the artistic portrayals of the bourgeois when the reality is all of these NEET faggots would be poor on those days. And being poor was a crime that would get you thrown into a workhouse where you would labour away for free for the rest of your miserable life. Or some mine-owning Jew would trick you into working for his very own currency which would never be worth enough to "earn" your freedom. The West was industrialized on slave labour even after slavery supposedly ended. That's why so many communist revolutions happened. People needed fucking anything to save them from the shackles of the de facto feudalism that was prevalent. People didn't just suddenly decide to try communism for shits and giggles. It was "anything but this" for a starving and enslaved population.

>>131631255
ever heard of the bystander phenomenon? You assume that everyone is going to act with the understanding that they will benefit in the end by way of a more stable society, but 99/100 people will think, "oh, those thugs from anti-snatch inc. killed the neighboors, scary! i better stay out of their way or they'll kill me too! i got my own family to care for".

Why do you think that african warlords can get away with terrorizing the population without a massive revolt? its because the individual people dont think "oh but if i step up everyone else will", and no one's stupid enough to confront murderous psychopaths alone

>>131633583
>having non-Jew related argument
>"well you're a KIKE"
>HAHAHAH I WON

People are annoyed by it because it's lazy arguing.

>>131634671
>muh holocaust
>muh hitler started wwii
K E K
E K E
K E K

>>131627396
Use this thread as a metaphor, there are no fewer than 6 other threads about this subject and yet everyone posts in this one. The other threads get saged and ignored until they disappear. It's because you don't need 7+ threads on the same subject and you don't need 7 different people trying to provide you with the same thing.

>>131634745
>incredibly expansionist policies after multiple warnings
I'm not talking about the holohoax just millions of white men.

>>131634671
Holy shit you made it less then 10 minutes without taking your own words back.

I can't even....

>>131634728
>I can't figure out what he means by Jewery so therefore it's a lazy argument HAHAHA I WIN

>>131634177
Will never happen in USA state is too powerful,

Your ideology is just some extreme fantasy right?

>>131630702
Barter or Surfdom.

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>>131634829
Oh gee, the Invasion of Poland meme again.
>I wonder why Hitler invaded it, like, wow
>it's almost as if he had a reason

>>131634836
>put words and circumstances in the way with no real argument
>i won :DDDD

>>131634695
Although your absolutely right your waisting your breath.

Probably just some dude having a blast triggering people with muuh molyneux.

>>131631960
and do you know who hunted them? THE BRITISH IMPERIAL NAVY AKA THE MOTHERFUCKING STATE.

>>131634916
>take land that was never yours
>why does every one hate us

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>>131634829
It's almost as if he gave out peace talks and peace plans prior to the invasion that Poland all rejected.

>>131634276

>Cultural Marxism is a literal Jewish conspiracy to destroy capitalism
>Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy

Pick one.

>>131633090
Technology will continue to make new markets forever and ever. Only problem is everyone only cares about the IT space.

>>131627396
When small businesses provide superior value, you call it competition, when big business provides superior value, it "undercutting".So you mean people who make superior value products will be those who remain in business? Oh God, what could be worse!

Tip: Small businesses aren't entitled to success, they have to either provide a better alternative where a demand exists or create a demand with a unique product. Undercutting another business is exactly why free markets do work.

>>131635067
>There's nothing in between.
Either breathe or don't breathe you absolutist faggot.

>>131635103
Now this is a Snek I can agree with

>>131635103
And How's that McWorkingOut for the West?

>>131635054
>>take land that was never yours
Look up the treaty of versailles you stupid uneducated fuck. Also see Eastern Prussia and the Warsaw Corridor. Wonder why that was seperated from the rest of German territory, hm?

>>131634836
Winning would imply I convinced you of my point of views.
I don't think that's currently possible.

You'll get it when your older like most people.

>>131635043
>British trade
>British protect it
wow what a surprise

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>>131635054
Like seriously, what exactly were all those ethnic german minorities doing in Danzig lol? I can't possibly fathom how they magically appeared in a place filled with people that wanted them massacred.

>>131635216
>takes czechia and austria
Directly violate treaties.

>>131635340
That was during the war faggot. You know, after the rest of the fucking world declared war on him. Wonder why he'd take immediate action to try and secure as much territory as possible.

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>>131635340
>NO SNEK
>THAT VIOLATES THE SNEK

>>131627396

>starting a new small business in a sector dominated by a monopoly

wew sounds like you want to burn money

be smart and open something that's niche enough so you won't get fucked by big businesses

>>131635103

Very well said.

One of the things I like to do when traveling is to try local mom and pop pizza joints, because they're usually much better quality pizza than the large pizza chains. Sometimes, they're even more expensive. But they provide a better product, so its worth it.

>>131631648

Why in the world would anyone lend money at zero interest?

>Hurr durr society would be better if no one lent or borrowed money

Ok, then you're basically saying that only the rich should be able to start businesses, since they're the only ones that can shoulder the massive capital cost

>>131635214
It's working out fine for people who actually make halfway intelligent life choices.

>>131627396
Quality and uniqueness?

>>131635425
He took czechoslovakia and austria before the war u fucking dumb nazi scum. Stop lying.

>>131635425
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
1938, kek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_occupation_of_Czechoslovakia
few months before

There was an attempt

>>131627396
>undercut them by selling the same thing for only a couple cents more than what it cost to make
You want more expensive products?

>>131635531
delete this, no-one wants to deal with responsability

>>131635556
>>131635573
Austria was prewar because the Austrian people WANTED Hitler. They explicitly went around the streets chanting "EIN VOLK EIN REICH EIN FUHRER" because they wanted to unify the german people rather than divide them.
And do you even read the wiki pages you post?
>German leader Adolf Hitler's pretext for this action was the alleged privations suffered by the ethnic German population living in those regions
Exact same shit as Danzig. He had every right to take those lands in the name of the ethnic Germans there that were being slaughtered, because their governments refused to let go of them.

>>131635224
>refutes none of my points
>just puts more and more words in my mouth

What are you even trying to achieve ?

>>131635531
>survivorship bias.
It's like a game of hungry-hungry hippos. Nobody is actually good at that game because the only control you have over it is chaotically slapping your hand down on the button. It's through the magic of mental retardation that the winning player thinks they did anything good.

3 companies control the entire world's food supply right now. Are you telling me that the other 7.5 billion of us are all idiots?

>>131635655
>MUH PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
>NO STEP SNEK
>SNEK PLZ HELP

>>131635800
>austria
violates versailles, others don't like it when you violate a treaty you signed.

>czechia and poland
was war with the world and 50 million dead worth it for some GERMans

>>131635271
>be an-cap
>argue against the state on italian pepperoni-slicing board
>admittedly retarded nazi points out that without a greater force keeping McMercenaries in line they'll just start plundering your shit instead of working for it.
>mention that in history these people were hunted by the greater power i want to abolish
>thinks this is an argument

>>131635867
>equating business and the economy to hungry-hungry hippos
Is this a new low for natsocs?

>>131636117
>Identity based attack in post #1.
WEW
We have a winner.

>>131635867
>3 companies control the entire world's food supply right now

Kek... you actually believe this.

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>>131636030
Hitler didn't sign that treaty. The Weimar republic did. Ask any modern historian and they will tell you that Versailles and the League that followed it were mistakes.

Oh wow, the man who promised to protect his own people did so and the rest of the world declared war on him for trying to keep his promise to his country. What an amazing observation. Thank you for your truly wonderous insight.

>le funny g*rmans meme xd am i fitting in yet
An argument you have not.

>>131636063
Give me a reason other than "durr plunder" for a PMC annexing property it would directly violate the NAP and also harm their business reputation a lot so no-one would deal with them. Harming them in the long run.

>>131636230
Kek... you don't.
>hurr this one has a different coloured brand label so it's different.
>being this easily marketed to.

>>131629656
>Nazi style arguments
Not an argument larper

>>131636272
Why did Pirates violate the NAP?

>>131636181
You shit up every thread you're in. You repeatedly show yourselves to be completely devoid of any understanding of the economy just like commies. If I see a commie I'm calling him out on his ideology. If I see a natsoc I'll do the same. Because you're both fucking retarded.

>>131636241
The countries are both Germany and must follow a treaty that they have signed. I agree the treaty was a mistake but that does change the fact you violated it.
>A man who promised to protect his own people
>Puts jews in camps, kek

>>131630403
>Muh joo
You natsocs need to learn to speak outside of your buzzwords. Maybe leave your hug box for a few weeks and start reading real sources

>>131634916
Tbqh his reasoning was MUH LEBENSRAUM.

>>131636439
>communism
>doesn't work, failed dozens of times
>libertarianism
>also doesn't work, causes economic collapse every time

>national socialism
>created one of the world's most powerful nations in 6 years and took another 6 years of the might of the 3 largest superpowers combined in order to shut it down
>but muh dead white people so it sucks

>>131636400
>Dodging the question

Pirates done it for money but you only hear about the successful ones never the ones who died the first time they tried it. Many died trying to plunder it.

>>131636439
I don't even use a Nazi flag in every thread I'm in. So there goes everything you had to say out of the fucking window.
You literally can't grasp the idea of somebody using a flag for any other reason than SRSBSNS

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>>131636439
Don't let them bread!

>>131636700
Best gasden

>>131636592
>>libertarianism
>>also doesn't work, causes economic collapse every time

>1800's America the greastest economic growth. Do natsocs read any non neo-nazi history, or is that jewish ?

>people getting triggered by abstract iconography
>claiming to not be plebbit

>>131636272
so you concede the point then.

As for your request; Take one look into history and you'll notice that when law enforcement dissapears it becomes more profitable and easier to just take what you want instead of working for it. Like-minded people gather and form gangs, which terrorizes the population until a greater force (that without exception comes from the state) or that once in a 100 years revolt takes them out. Then, if no state can be established, the powervaccum is filled by another group, who are guaranteed to be worse than a proper state, and the cycle continues.

>>131636477
>you
Not a german or I'd be in jail right now
>b-but he violated it
Who gives a fuck? Poland violated the treaty too when they invaded the soviet union in 1920. No one cared. France did the same with the Ruhr invasion. No one fucking cared. But when le evil nazi man does it it's declaration of a new world war. Great job.

>>131636534
It's almost like lebensraum was only intended to extend up to historically german territory and end there. Really makes me think.

>>131636629
>on a politics board
>doesn't use the politics flag for what he believes in
So its a LARP

>>131636771
BUT THAT VIOLATES THE NAP
SO I WIN HAH.
You can't just keep coming up with these absurd scenarios where people don't follow the NAP because they have to because it's the NAP

>>131635655
I mean, I can see the argument from the NatSoc point of view, and I do think it holds some serious weight if you look at the realities of birthrates and the inevitability of centrist politics opening us up to demographic warfare which it seems Europeans and other developed societies cannot win without some kind of government intervention to either subsidize civilized families or bar undesirables from coming in. I just don't believe in the Soc part of NatSoc. I do agree that degenerates will ruin any modern day free country if you give them long enough because people will eventually vote in such a way as to take the brunt of the blow of being degenerate away. Ideal country would be NatCap, with constitutionally defined native population and a strict ironclad cap on the number of total non-natives allowed in the country at any given time, no full citizenship until 2nd generation, very limited welfare available to non-natives.

>>131636743
The 2008 collapse was in part caused by loosening up of US economic regulations. Are you retarded or something?
>b-but muh event that happened 200 years ago

>>131636844
LARP would imply I have promoted Natsoc at all in this thread.
Pro tip: I haven't.
I'm just here to call out retarded idealists for being retarded idealists. Idealism never works.
See: Communism.

>>131636314
I don't know what kind of shithole you live in, but I can go down to a local market and buy food directly from people who grow it.

>>131636802
>It's almost like lebensraum was only intended to extend up to historically german territory and end there. Really makes me think.
That must be why he invaded my country and let his retarded puppets slaughter tens if not hundreds of thousands of Serbs.

>>131627396
A business can only do this for so long, and a majority of the time big businesses that do feel threatened by the little guy will go play the government. There is a possibility that the little guy will go out of business, so yes it could be a problem. What you are failing to understand though is that the free market decides price, what if that little business finds a way to make his product cheaper and altogether undercuts the larger one on efficiency and price. The large business can only drop so low before it's useless. Especially if the smaller company offers a better product etc.

>>131637024
Wow. 1 person going to a farmers market = CORPORATISM BTFO. It's not like there's not 1 million mindless zombies supporting the food monopoly for every 1 person at the farmer's market.

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>>131635067
hahahha here is where you showed your colors. both is jewish and only serves them.

pick both is the only correct answer. KYS

>>131636592

>6 years is a good sample size

Fuck, even the Soviet Union had a decade or two of decent economic progress before the house of cards came tumbling down. Their military might rivaled ours, and they beat us in everything for the first 2/3 of the Space Race.

>>131636876
you know, i might not like you guys all that much, but atleast you dont have a big logical void in your head that blocks any criticism of your logic from getting through

>>131636802
>Poland
cant find a peace treaty
>Ruhr
They failed to pay and thus violated the treaty, what do you expect

>lebensraum
Ohh yeah all that slavic land was german

>>131636592
>causes economic collapse
Oh look, more retardation. The more economic freedom a country has the higher its GDP is going to be in the long run. Meanwhile central planning has caused untold suffering and famines. Central planning that your own fucking ideology espouses.

>>131636896
>part caused by loosening up of US economic regulations
Retarded. Clinton caused it by making banks give out loans to poorfags who couldn't afford them.

>>131637065
Most of those people were slaughtered by NKVD officers. But apparently if the caption says NAZI SS WEHRMACHT EVIL MASSACRE then it must be thanks to le bad nazi men
Also bringing up war era stuff when the topic was lebensraum, you know, the thing that happened pre-war. Good job. Here's your gold star.

>>131637066
Big businesses routinely use their gigantic credit margins to operate in the red in order to squeeze the little guy out of the market. Usually they can do it before the fiscal cycle is over and get back in the black before the margin call.

Unregulated capitalism is literally and specifically incompatible with all forms of Jewry.

>>131636896
>using the past as an argument is only ok when i do it
also let the markets collapse, if a business is unsustainable why bail it out ?

>>131637098
Its not a monopoly if you can get it from more than 1 source. A monopoly is having one telephone company willing to provide service in your area, not 3 big companies holding the lion's share of a market.

>>131637354
>muh juice

>>131637132
That's because it was only allowed to exist for 6 years before it got fucking forced into war. It's almost like that was the only sample size I could give because that's the only sample size that exists.

>>131637180
Look up the Poland invasion of Russia in 1920 you dumb shit.
>they failed to pay
Oh right, because of the hyper inflation caused by what again? Caused by the private central bank, installed by who again? The treaty. Good job.

>b-but muh eastern front
It's almost like the slavic land was a path to the USSR.

>>131636896

>Fannie and Freddie
>government forcing lenders to give mortgages to niggers other lowlifes who couldn't pay them back

Yeah, sure, deregulation is to blame.

>>131637439
>refuses to acknowledge actual argument
Because you know I'm fucking right.

>>131637397
The problem is that that they talk to each other. That why there are laws against that.
Enforced by.. you know the government.

>>131627396
>Pick a demographic
>Create a niche product to appeal to them
>Market that shit using (((patented techniques))) (If they can use them on normies why not you?)
>Be in the right place at the right time
>????
>Profit

>>131637186
>Meanwhile central planning has caused untold suffering and famines
That's why German GDP surpassed British GDP in 1939 right?

>>131637469
>that's the only sample size that exists.

Israel is essentially NatSoc. And they leach off of the US taxpayers like a bunch of welfare niggers.

>>131627396
Gosh, how dare companies deliver low cost goods to consumers

>>131637246
>NKVD
what
You implied that Hitler only wanted to reconquer rightful German clay. The only part of Yugoslavia which could've possibly been viewed as such would have been Slovenia.

I fucking hate summer.

>>131636968
You compared the working of the economy to hungry-hungry hippoes. That's retarded. You have no business calling out anyone. And a part of why I called you natsoc is that they post the same anticapitalist non-sense you do.

>>131637580
>israel is natsoc
L M A O
M
A
O

No. Israel is nationalist but their economic policy is far from prussian socialism. Eat shit faggot.

>>131637585
McVirtuesignalling™
Now I've seen everything.

>>131637354
Wouldn't the problem be the banking & credit system though? If large investment banks are willing to loan out large amounts of credit, that wouldn't be possible without fractional reserve banking, then these giant banks couldn't effectively squeeze the free market. You bring up a very good point though, but I am curious if the fault lies in the banking system.