HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA BRITAIN BTFO

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>>131623470
>Just so long as we can have enough to cover the flight deck in photos

I half think the F-35 program is just a front and all the money going into its development and the deals to buy it are actually smokescreens for something else entirely. They've spent like a trillion dollars on it so far and managed to get a Jet that's barely passable by modern standards. They can't be THAT bad at designing Jets, right?

>>131624283
>managed to get a Jet that's barely passable by modern standards

Apart from dogfighting it's the best fighter there is (after F22)

>>131624283
It's not about the incompetence of the designers, it's more about the higher brass that doesn't know what the fuck it wants and can't understand basic design notions.
See: The Development of the M2 Bradley (if you don't want to research or read you can watch the film Pentagon Wars)
Take that and amplify it by 100. But it could also be money embezzling for something that the Lockheed Martin Skunkworks are working on.
Who knows

>>131623470

The funny thing is, they could have opted for cheaper alternatives but they just had to have A FUCKING RAMP on that piece of shit, so now it's the only aircraft they can use.

>>131624149
Slightly offtopic: I can't be the only one who would love to watch Kylie squat down and curl out a large boomerang shaped girliepoop? Right?

>>131624376
When it actually FLIES maybe. A whole fleet of them was grounded recently because the software that automated the maintenance scheduling broke. Fucking maintenance scheduling, Why the fuck does it have an onboard program to automate the maintenance scheduling? You could literally get a deck ape to do it with powerpoint instead of spending billions on automating it in a way that doesn't even work. And then there's the ones that are literally gassing their pilots.

It's like it's all a scam or something.

Absolute bollocks, we have already bought 140 of them

>>131624283
>spend trillions on aircraft
>spend 0 on company security measures
>trillion dollar research gets stolen
>china pumps out dedicated fighter at half the price

truely astounding, just like the time the allies outwitted the germans and their secret code

>>131624758
I really don't get what is wrong with your country, you claimed to want sovereignty but gladly let america control your nuclear stockpile while paying for it, at this rate your royals will be kissing the boots of the american president soon

>>131624937
The US doesn't control our nukes retard, don't be jealous just because your shithole country is irrelevant.

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/no-america-doesnt-control-britains-nuclear-weapons/

>>131624758
140 includes the RAF, they won't fly from the carriers. I'm afraid the figure of 12 per carrier by 2023 is correct. Big hat, no cattle.

>>131624758
Also the figure of 140 is "over the life of the programme", which is projected to be into the 2040s.

>>131625202
If that's true we should honestly just nuke ourselves, I'm so sick of this country getting cucked time and time again

>>131625202
So, these 12 aircraft are purchased with the navy's budget? Do the different military branches get their own separate budgets?

>>131625307
We will still be using typhoons until the 2040's too

Who needs planes when you have drones anyway? Fucking waste of money.

>>131625357
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/22111502.pdf

Scroll to page 5 - " By 2023 we’ll be able to have 24 of these jets, some of the most powerful in the world – the F35 – on the decks of these carriers"

>>131625174
>The US doesn't control our nukes retard, don't be jealous just because your shithole country is irrelevant.

Your shithole country is literally where the throne of evil sits. Or should I say, shits.

The funny thing with all this useless broken theatrical military gear is that when Russia destroys it all on the first attack with $5 energy weapons, the pedo-neocons will be that much more enraged into firing nukes.

>>131625174
http://www.cnduk.org/images/stories/US_reliance.pdf

>>131625563
But surely we will still get more over time?

>>131624543
I wonder if the Russians had the same problem

>>131625593
>Kekistan flag
Take it off if you want people to take you seriously. Nobody likes your kind here, reddit and nothing you say has any meaning.

>>131625388
Yes, also they're different variants of the F35, the Navy is having F-35Bs, RAF is having F-35As.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/19/uk_buys_17_more_f35b_lrip_12_14/

Be brave, Brits! I want to see an HMS Rothschild vessel sailing with the U.S.S. George Bush. Put your money where your money is!

>>131624642
Oh please. It's not the first fucking time an aircraft has problems on launch.
The reason for them grounding every plane is to ensure that the problem isn't widespread. Which is why you see car companies recall hundreds of thousands of cars because they found a problem with one that could be dangerous to the passengers.

The pilots that has actually used the F-35 gave mostly positive things about it. Dogfighting should not even be a subject here since it wasn't made for dogfighting.
Just read about it is my suggestion, the norwegian pilot that has 2200 flight hours in the F-16 complemented it on the offensive use, accelerate and obviously the massive tech advantages.

The problems with the F-35 was overblown like crazy, some "experts" even said that the F-35 might not even handle the initial operational test and evaluation by 2020 or 2019. And yet, the F-35 handled it just fine earlier THIS year.

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>>131625504
It's so sad, if you wanted a ramp you could at least do one like the Kusnetsov or Liaoning

instead you have this stumped bulbous growth, even india's ramp looks sexier

>>131625599
Yes we buy nukes from the US but this article was opinionated without fact to back it up

>Take it off if you want people to take you seriously. Nobody likes your kind here, reddit and nothing you say has any meaning.

You take me seriously now. It worked like the Christian cross in Dracula's face.

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>>131625504
Nice ramp. Looks like you can do sweet jumps off it.

>>131625631
No plans for the Navy to have more. If you want a real sickener, on the carrier's first deployment in 2020 she'll carry just 6 F-35Bs - belonging to the US Marine Corps.

>>131625684
That looks fucking disgusting

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>>131625705
>the united cuckdom has to ask nicely to buy nukes

>>131624551
We're in our twilight years, sqaundering your inheritance.

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>>131625779
This country is an embarrassment, quicker we become the 51st state the better. I'll leave in a heartbeat.

>>131625632
the PAK FA 50 ain't looking too hot either
But soviet designs were usualy made at gunpoint so in that sense they were more efficient

>>131625779
I think austerity is needed but when it starts to cuck the armed forces that's just ridiculous

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>>131625779
>pay 6 Billion pounds to host another nations aircraft

just surrender to the EU or america already

>>131625632
Russia is more politically corrupt than you think

>>131625684
There's an option for converting them to a CATOBAR configuration in the future. Less mess to potentially remove in 10 years time.

>>131625657
>Between January and December 2020 the Royal Navy will receive three F-35Bs, with this number rising to six more being handed over in 2021 and eight in 2022.
Sounds like the production process is very complicated.

>>131625859
PAK FA 50 is being made with india so don't expect it soon lmao

china is literally selling their F-35 knockoff at half the price, britcucks could have 24 aircraft on their carriers then

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>>131623470
> diesel engines
> a fucking ramp
> not having airplanes at all

AHAHAH Try harder you wastes

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>American project management clusterfuck has driven the price and production times of the aircraft through the roof
>LOL BONGS

>>131625968
why not just make one good carrier with catobar instead of two

I mean ffs the harrier + vtol is enough to deal with most 3rd rate armies

>>131625828
You know somebody's crooked when their name starts with "lord".

>>131626027
the CDG is sexy imho, it's probably what a EU carrier should be

George Webb makes it abundantly clear that the F-35 is just a money laundering program for NATO elites. If you argue the cost or effectiveness of the plane itself then you missed the whole point. Trump should just cancel these piece of shit planes before Russia has to cancel them in mid-air.

>>131626059
>american clusterfuck still makes britain pay for it
LOL KEKS

>>131626008
>china is literally selling their F-35 knockoff at half the price
Yeah, because these stiff chinese copies are famous for being just as good as the originals.
Kek'd.

>>131626008
their F-35 knockoff is probably made with glued on plastic on a Mig-21 so I wouldn't expect them to work

>>131624376
You do know that they haven't even STARTED the operational testing phase right?

Just imagine how many more problems will crop up when they really test the plane.

All those planes built until now are glorified prototypes in all but name.

>>131626063
1 supercarrier may as well be no supercarriers. You need at least 2 to be able to have a task force ready at all times.

>>131624543
The Bradley has a decent service record. Pentagon wars just turned "oh it turns out the bmp isn't a terrible idea, turn this apc into one of those, but without the retarded ammo and fuel placement" into genrals randomly putting shit on an apc for no reason.

>>131623470

>They plant to protect Gibraltar with their non existent 24 F35's that can't even beat F18's.
HAHAHAHA

>>131625779
That is fucking absurd.

I was just reading an article about how we as a nation should be proud of having such an advanced aircraft carrier, and being able to project our power across the globe, etc.

And now I read that they can't even afford the SINGLE component that will allow the aircraft carrier to actually be of use anywhere.

It's like launching a standard battleship but only being able to afford two cannons.
Or a new type of rifle but only 5 bullets.

And they're fucking squandering money on TWO of these.

What fucking retards approved of this? We can clearly only afford to supply 2/3 of the planes needed for ONE of these, why the fuck are we investing in another aircraft carrier already?

This country is a fucking embarrassment.

>>131625859
The T-50 looks like a squashed Su 27, pretty ugly imho.

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>>131626089
Yeah it's the best carrier outside the american supercarriers, sadly we just have one while we need two carriers for the rotations and only Marine le Pen is interested in building a second one

Anyway the Charles de Gaulle is still here to make the brits salty

>>131626149
chinese copies can kill well enough
https://sputniknews.com/military/201701081049373755-china-domestic-missile/

It actually isn't even as good as the F-35, but even the USA estimates a 3-1 ratio against it. it should fair much better against 4rth gen fighters, esp with how even the rafael and eurofighter cost more than a J-31

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>>131626104
>still posting with a reddit flag

The absolute state

All I seem to be reading about this is how they are running windows xp??

>>131626189
Two carriers with 0 jets are even worse.

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>>131626295
>>131626027

I forgot about that one

>>131625808
american nukes come with a seal of quality though...id rather buy a us nuke than a russian one

>>131626251
its so sad, the QE costs 2times as much as the CDG but only holds 10 more aircraft lmao

>>131626165
they did glue on SU-27 engines at the start, maybe when they iron out a good engine it'll come into fruition.

>>131626189
I mean you have helicarriers + seaharriers

>>131626129
>Paying for things

I know that's a hard concept to grasp as a third world shithole dweller, but things cost money and you can't just take them.

>>131626251

lol the french aint even a threat to us,you are a soft cunt with a gun,he wouldnt use it.

>>131626445
>"""""""""great""""""""" britian can't even make their own nukes

>>131626361
us navy also uses XP but, why? like godamn, even BSD might be more secure than that

>>131626490
And it even doesn't have a fucking nuclear powered engine, it's like seeing a third world country trying to be relevant and failing

>>131624283

>They can't be THAT bad at designing Jets, right?

You're operating on the false assumption that their job is to make jets. Their job is to win contracts. Nobody gives a fuck about the end product because it is not designed to be used.

>>131624376

It's supposed to be the low end of the high-low mix, a cheap, mass producible fighter. It costs well in excess of a hundred million stripped down. It is an utter failure at what it was designed to be.

>>131624937

The part that's really funny is the Chinese will just steal the plans, make one prototype, realize the cost makes it unfeasible for use in combat, and then build a countermeasure for 1/100th the cost.

>>131623470
>Perhaps the british should buy chinese knockoffs to supplant their losses

That would never happen in the real world.

>>131626519
you could cooperate with the EU to make a 5th gen fighter or suck american dick and pay more for it

>>131626596
desu F-35 is trying to focus on too many things at one time, eliminate the VTOL variants and you could have a good fighter.

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>>131626538
> talking about guns
> while using the worst NATO rifle ever designed
> while having a non-navy
> while having among the worst fighters of NATO
> while being the biggest american cocksucker even created in Iraq

>>131623470
I read somewhere that carriers are becoming a meme nowadays, is that true military folks?

>>131623470
Military modernization is a bitch isn't it bongs?

>>131626705
It's sad when your national rifle is shat on even in a japanese anime

>>131626274
Are you seriously trying to compare an anti-tank missile to a stealth aircraft?
The J-31 are relying on fucking old russian MIG-29 engines because China can't produce a good enough aircraft engine. It's ridiculous to even compare the F-35 to J-31.
I'm sure the chinese will catch up in time on some fronts because of their growing educated population, but aircrafts will not be one of them for at least a century.

>>131626548
>make their own nukes on a small overpopulated landmass
Are you legit retarded?

>>131623470
Isn't Singapore a Chinese knockoff, OP?

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>>131626221
Perhaps they're hoping pic related (at least the production version) will be able to fly from the carriers. There's no point shelling out for a load of F-35s if the manned fighter is about to become obselete. I'd like to think the Navy are playing 5D chess, but I very much doubt it.

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>>131626756
There's literally nothing wrong with the SA-80. It was just the usual teething problems new equipment throws up all the time. See the M-16 when it was first introduced.

>>131626613
>Spend untold billions and many years developing a new project with a bureaucratic nightmare state instead of just buying the result of someone else's hard work

>>131626548
Actually we do make the warheads, we just don't make the missiles

>>131626751
Yeah it's basically countries using them to compensate for lack of intelligence and dick size.
Isn't that why we got 22 of the fuckers?

>>131623470
If Britain can't afford a $100M fighter they shouldn't be buying them in the first place.

>>131626833
If they are, then I'll be very impressed.

But can they not use some of the last gen fighters/bombers to supplement the ridiculous lack of planes in the mean time?

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>>131626751

how would they know?

>>131626975
Didn't we scrap all the harriers?

>>131626975
>>131627019
Read it and weep

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2119894/MoD-tried-cover-selling-Harrier-jets-Americans-knock-price-112m-600m-refit.html

>>131626760
ehh, the prototypes are, but the WS-15 recently became operational, now all they have to do is increase the operation time.

>>131626786
north korea can do it

>>131626839
Does'nt it still have issues now?

>>131626833
that's really only good for strike capabilities, you don't even need a fully fleged carrier for such drones

>>131626786
The UK has one of the largest radioactive waste management programs in the world. A lot of radioactive material is sent to the UK for reprocessing.

In fairness the ramp is removable..

>>131627125
so is your status as a supposed world """""""""""""""""""""""""power"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" apparently

>>131627072
>north Korea makes nukes
K E K

Soviet/communist shared idea policy, as well as not even being manufactured in NK

Retarded Amerifat on deployment detected

>>131626956

Nobody can afford a 100 million dollar fighter if they plan to actually use it in any significant quantity or replace losses in a war. The F-35 was however perfectly designed to fulfill its real mission, to redistribute an enormous sum of money from the US taxpayer to Lockheed Martin and members of Congressional defense committees and subcommittees.

>>131624551
If they would become the 51st state, i'm sure we would share our steam powered launcher technology with them.

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>>131627092
forgot my pic, UK's Sellafield site for reprocessing nuclear waste.

>>131627019

you basically gave them away to our mutual 'friend'

>>131626920
Those planes are a multi billion dollar scam project pushed by (((Lockheed))) and the mil. Industrial complex
>hurr let's by 60 of them!
>what do you mean we can only afford 12?


>>131626978
Are those Brit ships right?

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>>131627201
American on deployment jelly brits stealing his wimminz

>>131627201
Yeah we're really in the shitter at the moment, have been for a while unfortunately. I hope that things turn out for the best but it seems unlikely.
Anyway, how are things with you?

>>131627019
But it has a ramp, is it only usable for F35's?

>>131627069
Who are the retards in charge of these decisions?
>Scrap a perfectly good aircraft 8 years earlier than planned
>do that after spending half a billion pounds on upgrades for it
>scrap it by selling it to the Americans, and basically wasting 400 million pounds

Somebody is lining their pockets with these deals.

>>131627323
very entertaining, maybe our eventual absorbtion into china won't be so painful after all

>>131627287

yep, all spattered by your obsolete air force. there were another 7 that were hit by bombs that didnt go off. it was a suicide mission by the bongs.

>>131627351
Defence procurement is a fucking disgrace, the amount of money wasted makes my blood boil. Privatise the armed forces when?

>>131627477
I know you guys are US allies but you don't have to castrate yourselves for them

>>131627231
>i'm sure we would share our steam powered launcher technology with them.

Would you fuck, for one, we haven't shared our super secret super duper Challenger II armour with you, and you'd probably expect us to give you a satellite mounted superlaser for some steam catapults anyway, see tizard mission.

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>>131627531
>challenger2

>>131625474
They should scope in carrier launch capability for the BAE Taranais and cancel the (((f35s))).

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>>131627468
It was a suicide mission for our boys too
Pic related, terror of the southern sea's

>>131627531
A fair trade would be: Dissolve your government and allow your population to arm itself and vote in US elections, and the next carrier can be the USS London.

>>131627645
It's definitely doable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw3m7bqrQ64

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>>131625668

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWJeqrvoF6M

>helmet too big for cockpit....
>Explodes in a thunder storm
>IR signature ended up way higher than it should be
>only one engine
>Not operational yet
>overpriced

>>131627853
Honestly that sounds alright.

Our government and political system in general are completely corrupt.

>PM calls for snap election
>campaign goes horribly, ends up not having the majority they had before
>magic up 1 billion pounds and bribe the northern Irish MP's to form a new majority

It's a fucking disgrace.

>>131627468
It was a "suicide mission" that we won losing 4 escorts and a cargo ship.

F35 = biggest scam in history

>>131628084

sending ships to some pointless rock with no defence against obsolete aircraft and get a load of people killed for fuck all. yet this is one of your greatest victories. the uk is as fucked as we are.

I THINK IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE SOFTWARE > HARDWARE. ANYONE CAN BUILD A FIGHTER JET THESE DAYS BUT TO HAVE A PROPER CERTIFIED MILITARY SOFTWARE SUITE UNDER ALL OF THE U.S STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS IS NIGHTMARISH.

>>131627590
>1 of the 100s of RPG-29s fired at British tanks managed to penetrate and wound the driver

Holy shit, Bongolia BTFO again

>>131625779
I was going to make a thread about some jew boy israeli born sheyster with ties to (((russian))) mob was made minister of some meme tier bussiness dialogue ministry but in comparison this is like pissing in an ocean to warm it up

>>131628373
>claims of invincibility
>penetrated by dime by the dozen RPG-29

>>131625828
you know somebody's a pedo when their name starts with lord

>>131624555
Absolutely degenerate

>>131627072
>Does'nt it still have issues now?
No, bongs hired the krauts to completely overhaul their "domestic" rifle.

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>>131628463
>$1000 to blow three toes off a chav's foot
>same shot against a T-90 would have blown the ammunition up resulting in a total vehicle loss and 3 dead bydlo

>>131623470
https://m.alibaba.com/showroom/inflatable-planes.html

>>131628876
a T-90 is nowhere near as expensive as a challenger 2

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>>131623470
Should have bought Gripen instead. And had them cover every square centimeter of dry surface of the British Isles for the same money as was sunk into the F35s.

>>131629218
swedish military equipment is pretty alright

it's a shame you guys are being made to pay for US/UK mistakes

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>be british
>buy into the f-35 program because master said so
>buy a 6bn aircraft carrier to house the f-35s
>number of planes drop from 36 to 12, because master said so
>on completion the aircraft carrier will house another nations airplane, namely masters
KEK the absolute state of britain. builds a cargoplane to house american planes, guess it's right you can't spell cuck without the UK.

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>>131629036
About four million US dollars difference in 1990's prices. I wonder if that's enough money to reconstitute the ashes of the T-90 crew, though?

>>131629218
It's actually pretty impressive that a country with a population as small as yours is able to make their own jets. You guys are alright, hope you sort your immigration/muslim problem out.

>>131629426
I'd argue UK losses are harder to deal with, you are still dealing from the Iraq war aswell

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>>131626027
>Be French
>Surrender

>>131629657
>be australian
>die to insects on a beach

>>131629657

its only fair that the French get to feel like the powerful ones during peace time m8.

>>131629516
We'll see in 2019. Elections next year; Jimmie and his merry men are busy riding out a couple of storms at the moment.

>>131629763

>be singaporean
>

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>>131629763
>die to insects on a beach

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>>131629422
The picture you posted is illegal in Britain now and was replaced with pic related.

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This is now an eternal ANGLO thread

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>>131629763
>>131629928

I live in Norway, it's pretty cold here today, only 19 C. Please tell me a story about this.

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>>131623470
carriers / jets can't hold a menorah to combies of peace...

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>>131624376

silence norgie

don't break the f35 failure meme, we must keep the narrative that the f35 is shit just because that 1st time pilot sucked but then had a 20:1 kill/death ratio after a few days of practice

>>131623470
Basically they made an oversized Cavour aircraft carrier....well fucking done.

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>>131629657
Another Alien tier specimen of your wildlife I presume?
You guys really don't need an army.

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>>131623470

Well.. there's always helicopters.. helicopters always look nice, right?

Even on a fighter jet aircraft carrier, a string of copters might distract critics enough.

Blimey admiral, It's almost like a passive demonstration by the top brass trying to show up the government or something.

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>>131630339

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>>131630367

>>131630155
>what is the battle of gallipoli

>>131626027
The CDG: Proudly defending the drydock since 2001.

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>>131630434

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>>131630367
>"We are the ANGLO lower your borders, your culture and ayran BLOOD will be assimilated into ours, resistance is futile"

>>131623470
I am not surprised in the slightest. Last crap failed due to overheating.

The UK has been failing for years and Brexit will be another nail in the UK's coffin.

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>>131630537

>>131630507
With what we pay to the EU we could buy 3 F-35Bs every week. Problem solved.

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>>131630737

Can't wait to invade the Falklands.

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>>131630770

>>131624283
You don't understand modern arms industries. This is what they do.

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>>131630871

>>131630648
I thought that was to be spent on the NHS? What about education?

>>131624283
>barely passable by modern standards.

Except this is incredibly wrong. Literally the most advanced jet by far on the planet.

Go make a /k/ thread about how shitty the F35 is

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>>131630891

>>131630938
But muh super-carrier

>>131631077
No. 1 billion got spent trying to appease irish loonies so may could keep herself in power for another month or so.

The money spent on this carrier does not feed people.

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>>131631168

You don't need to feed people if they're dead

>>131624642

>are literally gassing their pilots

Sounds like the perfect plane for the IDF Air Force

>>131631381
These are your people so it's not my problem. The poor and elderly mostly vote torie so would you rather not keep them alive for votes?

Not getting your logic.

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>>131624555
trips make it so

>>131623470
>Jews getting free f35s
>Britbong has to tighten belt for 12
>Trump says f35 is overpriced

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>>131631612
>the poor vote for the tories

>>131625828
>disorderly
He's acting like a cop and UK being a drunken fool in the street.

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>>131626705
Are you salivating?

>>131631014
/k/ is full of underage autist burgers, of course they defend the meme plane with sentences like
"Literally the most advanced jet by far on the planet." Oh wait, you're one of them...

>>131627244
That's why the bongs look inbred?
Cause of the radiation?

>>131624555
>slightly offtopic

>>131628477
he could be a gaylord

>>131629218
>Gripen
Plane looks beast and has a lot of respect, too bad you guys are a bunch of nigger loving cucks.

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>>131632765

>Romania

>>131629422
>builds a cargoplane to house american planes
So when near Russian planes come to strike US the UK ships are a target by default and UK gets dragged into war by default.

>>131625504
>ramplets, when will they learn?

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LoL. Suck it up Eurofags, you are broke without us.

>>131631014
Never encourage the mental illness of this place to think that posting in /k/ is okay.

>>131626059
Pay denbts

Looks like the Brits are loaded. Should'nt have a problem paying for brexit.

>>131632477
that looks pretty fucking good,but you only eat the legs
t. delta dweller

>>131623470
the f-35 is not the expensive though.

the whole point of the program was to make an inexpensive jet that replaces 3, and is easy to maintain.

I think its going to be less then the f-18 super hornets.

>>131626705
>Le Terrible
>le
>LELELELELELELE

Go back to le Reddit.

>>131625779
To be fair that's because the F-35 programme is so late that we were able to design, build and commission an entire aircraft carrier designed to accomodate them before they were able to deliver any of the aircraft she's supposed to house.

>>131626786
Actually we do make our own nukes. It's the missiles we buy from you.

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>>131626177
The first models are already in use by the Netherlands and Israel. There's already a large flying fleet. Don't believe everything RT tells you, they are jealous.

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>>131623470
The a10 is the best jet going at the moment, it's designed to take hits and fly on one engine. The engines are actually out of a business jet so parts are easily sourced too.

It's the only time the Yanks have toasted the Russians in functionality and looks. It's perfect.

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>>131635975

> USAF wants to get rid of them
> Army wants to buy them
> some generals were having a dick measuring contest in the 1950s so they can't
> sad.jpg

solution:

- modernize A10 avionics so that it can autoland and autotakeoff
- reclassify as "optionally manned drone" to avoid fixed wing aircraft issue
- give to army/marines

happy.jpg

I like the A-10C but its mostly only good for fighting shitskins that have no anti air defences, against a modern army it is going to be relegated to dropping bombs and mavericks from high altitude which a jet like the F35 can do more easily with more high tech weapons and be less at risk from enemy fighters

>>131635842
>already in use by the Netherlands
2 planes in test stage...

>>131623470
>plan to put 36 F-35s on each carrier
>oops we canm only afford 12
>this compromise is acceptable

Britain has stopped pretending NATO isn't an iron shield that makes their own military policy irrelevant, haven't they

>>131624937
>(((stolen)))

>>131625504
>A
>FUCKING
>RAMP

>>131635975
Aren't A-10s predicted to have a very high loss rate against an enemy with a competent air force, or have I been mislead?

>>131625705
>buy nukes from US
We don't buy 'nukes' from anyone. The warheads are ours. You're confusing 'nukes' with missiles...
We *lease* trident missiles from the US. We have to dock in North Carolina to get them changed out according to the maintenance schedule. (US subs also use trident)
We have no independent delivery mechanism.

Don't feel bad. MOD uses this confusion to pretend we have an independent deterrent (we don't).

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So tell me again why the QEs are supposedly better carriers than pic related?

>>131626705

Nice submarine. Does it even work?

Also if you're going to talk shit about the U.K and Nato, pay denbts first. While you've been drowning in migrant jizz, and jumping back in for second helpings thanks to you silly wankers voting for Macron, we've been paying up our side of the bargain.

Typical yuropoors. Always quick to crack jokes, and always last to pay the bill. Cheap, poor bastards.

>>131626027
The CDG and Rafales. How can britbongs even compete?

>>131625968
Actually no, that was the plan but they have up on the modular deck configuration thing a long time ago. You'll be stuck with a ramp forever.

>>131627201
Dude that went out fucking ages ago lmao.

>>131627590
Penetrated the ERA. Not the armour.

But you already know that don't you?

>>131629426
Underrated Filename

>>131629763
>Has the emu war as an available insult
>Doesn't use it

>>131641108
No, they can be converted in a major refit if we really need to. Probably not cheaply, but when is it ever?

>>131641781
I think he's referring to Gallipoli, something with quite a bit more sting to it than some banter about birds.

>>131624642
>automatic maintenance scheduling
Sounds like what a copy machine does, are we sure these aren't kyoceras in disguise?

>>131635233
kek

>>131627072
>WS-15
That's meant for the J-20. The J-31 is only a medium fighter and so won't be able to fit two WS-15s. There's no point talking about the J-31 to begin with because it's not supported by the PLA unlike the J-20 which will soon be truly operational.

>>131623470
B-but but, if migrants value more then gold shouldn't Bongs be able to pay for 100 F-35, 24 F/A-18 Hornet, 10 P-8A Poseidon and 8 B-2 Spirit?!?
I don't get it....

>>131643305
They might load it onto the carriers

Ah and for the future J-31 it might be 2 ws-13s instead

>>131627231
>share our steam powered laucher technology
The Royal Navy invented and developed the system

>american education

>>131639415
Has that spent a week out of port yet?

American needs to have 11 CATOBAR carriers just to have 2 at sea at all times. If you can only afford one (or two RAMP carriers) then the ramp is the more sensible option. Obviously the top brass spent forever discussing this before coming to a decision.

>>131636751
It is a great air support platform. We don't live in a world of infinite SAMs. They get taken about by fast jests before A10 flies in theatre. F35 doesn't carry enough ammo to be an on call gunship, nor does it have the fuel capacity to loiter. What to do with things that ain't broke?

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>>131630809
I did dis

>>131623470
The deep state military complex strikes again

Spend money on crap military in order to protect you from the very psychops we have installed, divide and conquer works so well

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>>131623470
They'll also shoot plastic spoons instead of missiles.

>>131625474
This.
>>131627072
Not true, carrier lets you stay on station, F35 is data link to drone swarm

>>131646461
It spends half of its time in maintenance, more or less. Has been in Syria until recently, currently stuck in Toulon for several months. Obviously, 2 carriers would have been better.

>American needs to have 11 CATOBAR carriers just to have 2 at sea at all times
Burger engineering...

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>>131624555
Who wouldn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8z34lhKWrQ
kyle was hot as fuck back in the dday..still hot now

>>131624555
this is why your country is getting cucked

>>131626833
Holy shit we ace combat 7 now

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>>131639964
How come the Brits didn't have a naval version of the Typhoon?

>>131623470
>f-35s

lol why bother

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>>131651781
Does not exist because not designed for. That's the reason why the French built their own plane instead of joining the Eurofighter programm.

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>>131625779
>briton was a mistake

>>131651781
Because it's a shit project, made in 4 different EU countries, making a naval ver would take shit tons of money and time and agrrement between these countries and If there was some problems with eachother, you can say goodbye to the spare parts and the plane

it's just a shit project bieng pushed down real hard

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>when your empire has diminished to such a degree you only maintain a military for photographs

You're welcome, faggots.

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>>131652490
I see now.
Also, is France currently developing a 5th gen fighter?

>>131627201
>Needing planes to retain 'power'.
How have all those planes worked out for you?

Truth is war is changing, and so is how power is exercised.

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>>131655360
Not that I know (5th gen only means stealth though, and detection means evovle very fast, so...).
There's some fancy drones made with the Brits.

>>131625910
>hosting
Borrowing, you fucking retard. Hosting implies we can't use them. We can very well use them, and if we can't we'll dump them into the port.

>>131626445
>usa
>quality
pick one

>>131625174
He's clearly a yank.

I don't know what these Americans' have a problem. They have plenty of aircraft carriers - unless they think one British aircraft carrier can defeat 5 American ones, which is entirely probable.

>>131625599
>CND
You foreigners make me laugh. One minute you're screaming at liberal news and mediums calling them all sorts of names, and the next your sharing them to prove your deranged points.

>>131624543
This is correct. Same problem with the LCS and DDG1000. The problem is nobody knows how to design AND nobody knows how to fight a proper war anymore.

>>131626221
>What fucking retards approved of this?
It's was probably in part to jerk off American politicians.
You rub me off I - rub you off kind of deal.

>>131624283
You say that like our current fighters didn't have horribly slow and grossly over-budget development cycles as well. The F-16 killed quite a few pilots, and it was called "Lawn Dart" because if it's engine flamed out the plane would literally just nose over straight into the ground. The worst the F-35 has done so far was having the possible risk of hypoxia if the O2 system failed, which happens a lot on plenty of other jets.

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>>131631014
/k/ is full of "muh america" larpers that will claim anything american is superior to anything else, they still defend autoloaders on tanks

going there is pointless, it's all MUH USA!!!! faggots that are too drunk on america to think rationally and admit an american weapon is ever inferior

>>131658631
you should do it anyway, screencap their obviously biased replies then post them whenever someone tells you to make a thread there

>>131626705
Your mom's new dildo has arrived.

Meanwhile Italy has already started building them locally in order to equip two micro-carriers.
Plans are for 90 planes total

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>>131658927
they'll just use it as evidence of me getting "btfo"

I used to post lengthy fact-based posts on why autoloaders were retarded and many american guns were inferior to european or russian ones, and of course I'd just get swarmed with COMMIE FAGGOT KEK LOSER WOOO USA USA USA #1 SLAVSHIT FUCKER

It's just a board for dumb people to pretend to be muh murrika operators, it's pathetic. The sad part is all the english language gun forums are even worse, full of absolute patriotards that will always claim the american weapon is better, even when it's a piece of shit with poor engineering like the ar15, f35, or american tanks.

>>131659207
how would screenshots of supposedly biased, baseless, dogpiling replies be proof of you being "btfo"?

>>131629218
I don't trust a Saab to drive me 100 miles without a breakdown.

>>131659586
it's just not worth it man. plus the mods watch that place like hawks now and I'll probably catch a global ban like last time for "trolling".

>>131624551
The carrier is actually modular and can have its skate park removed and replaced with slingy wingies.

>>131659837
Originally, yes, QE was capable of retrofitting CATOBAR, but that was scrapped due to costs and she's a Cuck Ramp STOL for life.

Prince of Wales is intended to have the CATOBOR retrofit option but I'm willing to bet a crumpet she's going to get that option axed too.

>>131626027

Looks like Pierre has got wifi in his cuck shed.

Maybe you should go and make the planet great again with macron?

>>131626221

This country is an absolute madhouse

>>131660358
It's still modular because its literally how it was designed, you mean the original plan had catobar but was cut because of cost, it still has the ability to swap out any section of the carrier pretty easily.

>>131623470
Everything about this country is going down the shitter. It's only natural that the military follows suit.

>>131661437

True

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>>131624555
Jeezussss. If the Brits aren't crossdressing, they're fapping to turds.

>>131625857
>51st state

Yeah, nah, we don't a state with 70 million left-wing voters. You're gonna force your shitty socialized healthcare system, and we will all have yellow teeth (and other things).

>>131623470
Why not buy SU 35s? Not a russiaboo but seriously anything is better than F 35s