Don't understand conservatives

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Marxism-Leninism will guide us!

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>>131605447
Do not waste your time on here fellow comrade.

You cannot have thoughtful discussions with those that have fallen for a religious crutch on intellectualism.

This place is aren't echo-chamber, I've already tried to argue rationally with others on here but it is hopeless.

Stay safe bro.

>>131605688
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is the future

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>>131606052
although i like some of mao's ideas i prefer plain old marxism-leninism

>>131606149
Kill yourself reactionary bootlicker. Go fellate Reagan's decaying corpse.

>>131606149
I hope you get shot you fucking reactionary cunt.

>>131606193
I personally like Marxist-communism views on religion, I've always believed that religion was developed to manipulate the masses, and spreads like a virus. Before we can reach socialism, we need to disintegrate religion through enforcing legislation that separates religion from politics, afterwards all public property, and eventually ban it.

Marx cknowledged that religion is a barrier to socialism, and I do believe that it needs to be exterminated through any means necessary. Although I'd accept a polytheistic, metaphorical state-religion such as paganism, being implemented throughout socialist states.

It would serve as cultural contributions, although it would be minimal.

>>131606249
commie go home.

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>>131605447
Leftists don't like science or economics. Your argument is invalid

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>>131606322
>leaf being faggot

hide your flag, I have it modded to look like this.

>>131606516
i agree

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Enjoy getting eaten alive by the jews again, they need a fresh carcass.

>>131606249
Eat shit and die communist swine

Since you say you are materialistic and believe in rational understanding of the world around you:

Humans are animals. If we study the human animal and its behavior, we see that it's a pack-animal. We name the packs "tribes", but it is from natures side, a pack-animal. For the human animal to live a life that resonates best with its own nature, and therefore give most joy and fullfilment, it needs to have a close pack that it cares about and works for, everyone doing their best to make sure this small, close-nit society works. Kind of like socialism, only in smaller groups. If anything you propose has to do with centralization of power or the destruction of natural packs, I will fight you. I understand my primal needs. I need a pack.

>>131606996
Primitive though process. I'm disappointed, I'd expect a European the be more knowledgeable about communism, but I guess my expectations should not be too high, especially considering that right-wing extremism is increasing there.

>>131606723
Marx never wrote about a time when Slavs would "perish in the revolutionary holocaust".

You can see how empty these people's ideas are - they just make things up.

It only works when they're within their own fake news echo chamber of lies.

>>131605447
>shitting on an ideology while upholding your own while providing no argument whatsoever for or against either
>le scientific atheist maymay
Wtf I hate liberty now

>>131605447
You're a burger. You can not know better. Your politics are left-liberals vs right-liberal. There's a bit of religiosity as a sideshow.

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

a lot of humanity is driven by being better than their environments. humans stand out from every other organism on this planet because we became the best and most ruthless competition in the entire world. you can never extinguish this ambition in people.

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>>131605447
yeah, the capitalists you keep bitching about are leftists and progressives.. your definition of capitalism has nothing to do with market forces (which is essential) and everything to do about structured power and programs, while ignoring the failed state you'll cause because you offer nothing to the collective you're proposing and all of you want to TAKE more from your collective than GIVE.

when i hear one marxist get excited about his communist utopia because he has so much he'd like to offer to his fellow man, i'll join you. I've met countless of them and they all just want to not work

>>131605447
Assuming this isn't b8.

Here's your problem.

You admit to massive gaps in your knowledge of elementary lessons of history, like the Bible which is the most read text in the Western world and critically important to understanding the history of it regardless of if you're a Christian or not.

You then presume expertise in national policy to the point of being able to make prophetic declarations of where its future is headed.

Son, if you haven't learned how to add, how do you expect how to land a rocket on the moon.

>>131606996
This can be over come humans are by diverse and think and act differently the thing about marx is that he understood that humans and work together much like some early tribes of humans some tribes shared the game they caught and they worked together. also some good examples of people working together was the paris commune.

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>every single application has failed
>every single application has murdered millions

Why do you believe in an imaginary system that works despite every application killing millions and failing?

You criticize the religion of another without examining your own.

>>131607128
I also have a firm belief that the less words we use, the happier we will be. Communication should mostly be to show our feelings. Preferably by facial expressions and body-language.

Then we would get rid of this virus of complicated thoughts that do nothing but make our lives more complicated. We would get rid of Ideology all together.

>>131606996
Bingo. Communism's denial of biology is unscientific.

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>hur dur my religion is Marxism! Whatever Marx says, must be true, even if it is internally contradictory, has the world's most abysmal record for economic well being, and is disavowed by literally alleconomists that aren't apologists for my religion!
>the rich people all have a singular class conscience!
>porky is stealing from you! You deserve ALL the profit, who cares if you did any of the planning or capital accumulation
>hur youre a nazi/porky if you don't want the government to take all of your wealth and use ((((democracy)))) or a dictatorial state to distribute it!
>hurr it's inevitable that the world will advance into a pist-scarcity economy under communism even though pist-scarcity is a priori impossible because humans will always compete for resources
>durr stupid right wingers, not following my 19th century cult religion
fuck off, goose-stepping welfare queens

>>131607196
>That memeball
But commies are against the monarchy. I'll never be a pretty princess if I have to work the fields every day

>>131607181
>you can never extinguish this ambition in people.

yeah you can, its called capitalism.

>>131607328
It is not something I WANT to overcome. I am very happy being a human animal. I don't want to BECOME anything. I want to BE.

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>>131607533
speak for yourself. lots of people have been motivated by capitalism to be the most productive people as possible.

>>131605688
margsism-lebonnism wiil guibe us! XDDDDD

>>131607533
Why commies simpler refuse to see reality?

>>131607610
people are motivated by capitalism the same way a gun to the back of the head motivates one to move forward.

>>131607785
So communism is capitalism?

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We don't deny biology, we want to make any possible changes, cultural or genetic, to establish the communist society: the most harmonious system conceivable.

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>>131605447
God, I hate commie newspeak.
It's not even worth it for me to respond to this, you will never understand. You have the mind virus and the only cure is a bullet.

>>131607926
Have you experimented on yourself yet? I'd like to know your methods and results

>>131606516
>I've always believed that religion was developed to manipulate the masses, and spreads like a virus.
You could say the exact same thing about communism. The destruction of religion is just communism eliminating the competion and trying to secure the monopoly on "how to reach Utopia".

>>131607533
What is your iq. I want a timestamp on a measurement score. Because no way is it above 100

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>>131608009

We will use technology to automatize the state using computerized planning of the whole socialist economy.

>>131607785
no one's going to kill you if you decide to not work under capitalism. you're not going to be rewarded very well but you're also not going to excel in your life either.
what happens if people decide to not work under communism?

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Do you understand how automated processes even work?

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Fucking moron.
Using "gun to the head" metaphorically to berate capitalism, when you will literally have a gun to your head under communism.

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>>131605447
>Leftists are materialists, meaning we believe in the material world, somewhat knowable by the scientific method and logical deduction.

Then how do you get past the fact that individuality and equality are mutually exclusive states of being, when your entire ideology is predicated on 'equal individuals'?
If I am an individual, unique from my point of view to me DNA, one-of-a-kind, then by default I am not equal to anything. Inequality is implied as an extension of our individuality. As long as individuality exists, I'm in a constant state of inequality.
It would be illogical to base a society on the notion of equality for individuals. It's a denial of a basic philosophic truth. Marxism tries to live a philosophic lie. It's doomed to fail from the start.

>>131605447
Leftists have their heart in the right place but always go about the wrong way of doing things.

They want everyone to not go without. A noble cause, but ultimately flawed and impossible to achieve equilibrium because what is provided to the needy requires contribution of the productive. Their vision requires the violation of fundamental laws in chemistry and physics, namely conservation of mass and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. A system that provides to the poor at the expense of the productive favors will inevitably place an increasing burden on the productive unless the poor somehow put energy back into the system. History has shown that overall, they can't and won't. Total entropy will never decrease without the poor putting an equal amount of work back. Thermodynamics 101. Conservation of mass is also violated because production of resources requires consumption of resources. When you have a class that perpetually consumes at a greater rate than production, resources will be depleted, as we see in Africa and other turd-world countries (<--intentional pun).

Leftists can't or refuse to believe this and by coming up with deluded troll physics-tier plans to redistribute and grind the economic system into a slow death. But hey, as long as everyone has the same and don't feel bad about someone getting more...

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>>131605447
Hardly anyone on /pol/ is actually a conservative.

>>131606052
>my outdated ideology is the future
No it isn't. You people are the dinosaurs of politics. Economic marxist's don't even understand how politics work nowadays.


The right has finally started to understand that the base does not determine the superstructure (at least not in a service economy). It's the other way around.

Cultural marxists understand this, that's why they try to influence culture, not economic policy. This is why cultural marxists are dangerous and economic marxists are a joke.

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>humans stand out from every other organism on this planet because we became the best and most ruthless competition

It was only 10,000 years ago that any humans lived any way other than as communists, so this sounds rather silly. For tens of thousands of years everything was communist. 2000 years ago you could travel not far north of modern Stockholm and everyone lived as communists.

Only in the last 200 years was the average person touched at all by "competition". So the whole thing sounds rather silly. You look at how things are today and forget 200 years ago completely. It is not that long ago - 100 years ago my grandfather was filling out his World War I draft card.

>>131608776
So you wanna regress to an older way of life and call it progress?

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>people are still taking these commies seriously even after these posts

>>131607196
>market forces

This is typical bourgeois ideas which never goes unchallenged in the corporate media. What the hell are "market forces"? In the USSR, markets existed where one could buy radishes with rubles. Just like in the US markets exist where one can buy radishes with dollars. What the hell is a "market force"? A meaningless phrase...

>>131605447
If you think everyone is biologically capable of an elite, or even moderate education, you're the most useful idiot in the gulag.

Also. God bless you.

>>131608850
As long as he's the one in power, yes.
That's the key thing to remember about Western communists: they all think they'll be elite Party members and not the masses of peasantry.

>>131608776
10,000 years ago the biggest and first person to bash your head in with a rock or could trick the most people to do it for them was the one who got to decide how things worked. 4,000 years ago civilizations were way more stratified than they were now. there was definitely competition before 200 years ago.

>>131607326
>You admit to massive gaps in your knowledge of elementary lessons of history, like the Bible

Uh, no, what I admit to is the stories in the bible about people who parted seas and had magic powers are nonsensical. I admit to thinking silly stories from 2000-3000 years ago are just a load of nonsense.

>>131608776
>implying communism is natural
>implying humans 10,000 years ago had no hierarchy
Do you ever get tired of people calling you out on your stupidity?

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wrong, only equality as in classless. Our ideology maxim is: 'from each according to their ability. To each according to their need'.

>>131609150
>only equality as in classless
Still a philosophical impossiblity. There can be no equality of any kind as long as individuality exists. There will always be another class line drawn, whether it's party member vs non-party member, beauty vs ugly, smart vs dumb, strong vs weak. Its the nature of our reality.

>All conservatives believe in god
Didn't read the rest of your post because I assume it's full of more faulty assumptions.

>>131609150
>literally slavery
>that can't even support itself
I wonder if the hundreds of thousands who starved under Stalin and Mao thought they had their needs met.

>>131605447
The main distinction between left and right on economic matters which appears to be what you are talking about, is that the left believes they can design and centralize their way out of every problem.

The right does not believe in centralizing everything, either due to moral reasons or for more pragmatic ones such as the numerous failures of states attempting to operate large sections of the economy.

The main difference is the rights economics is Darwinian in that it removes failed organizations while the lefts does not.

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>>131608201
So who's going to be the shekel master? Also pic related was what I meant re 'how' are you going to do it?

Do you have any Commie genetic engineering tricks to weed out the pesky capitalists but not hurt the Jews?

>>131605447
>They tell me someone named God lives in the clouds, he created the universe, and like Santa Claus he will judge if you have been bad or good "after you die"

this juvenile understanding of god is a perfect example of how idiotic commies are. fucking intellectual midgets.

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>What the hell are "market forces"? In the USSR, markets existed where one could buy radishes with rubles. Just like in the US markets exist where one can buy radishes with dollars. What the hell is a "market force"? A meaningless phrase...
so now the ssr was true communism?

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>magic powers are nonsensical. I admit to thinking silly stories from
like the magical power to know if surplus was stolen or not?

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>>131608776
You are talking absolute shit.
There was no communism ever you fucking moron. There have always been hierarchies.
The strongest and smartest have always controlled the resources.
The only thing in the natural world compareable to communism is ants. Pic related

>>131608965
>what the hell are "market forces"?
Spoken like a true commie

>>131607387
>>every single application has failed

Actually the application is economic transformation

from primitive communism to slavery
from slavery to feudalism
from feudalism to capitalism

the next transformation is from capitalism to socialism

You're correct in that attempts to transform from capitalism to socialism have been premature. Just like there were premature attempts to form capitalist bourgeois republics before Restoration movements crushed them.

Meaning in the early 19th century you could have said every single application of capitalist bourgeois republics had failed. You could say the exact same thing.

>>131605447
>can't get married and go to college right away
You can get married right after college or during college. How is that an argument?

I'm fully convinced that all commies are either LARPing as intellectuals/ their idea of a saint, or possess sinister motives that will never manifest to their benefit. In both cases they seem to be absolutely void of any reasoning whatsoever, but they seem to be ok at verbal regurgitation.

Why is communism always about controlling others? Control their religion. Control their buying habits. Control their thoughts. How can you see communism as something that will make a classless society, when the result of communism has always in fact been the opposite?

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>primitive communism
Read the replies faggot, you have already been BTFO.

>>131609864
What if there's no regulations to guarantee monopoly's, where everyone can buy and sell whatever they want, is that the same capitalism or different?

In a communist system there's only a small choice of companies offering services because it's illegal to compete with them. Which results in today's style capitalism literally being rebranded as communism. We're already living in a communist system, the state produces the capital that apparently is the problem in the form of Fiat money.

Where do you stand on this?

>>131610242
Furthermore, why is every communist I know just a lazy failure who doesn't want to work? That's literally all they are. Conservatives and liberals both have some regular people at least.

>>131606996
>If anything you propose has to do with centralization of power or the destruction of natural packs, I will fight you. I understand my primal needs. I need a pack.

I see you are from Norway. It's odd talking about the centralization of power, since Norway joined NATO, an organization dedicated to tying its defenses to that of the USA, even in this post cold war times. Sweden and Finland never did this. An old comrade, now gone, Tron Ogrim fought against Norway being in NATO. Unknown to him, him and his ten hippie friends had NATO high command completely freaked out that they might organize a movement to pull Norway out of NATO, and years later Tron learned there were about a dozen agents assigned to each one of them.

But on that theme - power is being centralized every day. If the left takes over, it will be taking over a social system where power is completely centralized.

It's a day to day thing as opposed to left proposals. If workers fight to keep power decentralized, then the left would take over a world like that. If power is centralized, then the left takes over a system which centralized power.

The left will have to deal with the chessboard as it is 20 moves from now.

>>131609864
>from primitive communism to slavery
Imagine being this stupid
>in the early 19th century you could have said every single application of capitalist bourgeois republics had failed
False equivalence fallacy. Capitalism worked exactly as intended, the first obvious manifestation of this being the Industrial Revolution. I feel that arguing anymore with you would be cruel, so I'm just going to sage.

I am a non religious conservative. The values from Christianity are the correct values. However I do not practice worship.

However, I see the fall of the west due the abandoning of these values.

Communism is disgusting and doesn't work. If one day it is forced upon us, I will be involved in its corruption and use it against you. There are many like me.

Also not a jew but I will not accept being poor with the rest of the filthy commies.

>>131607395
>Then we would get rid of this virus of complicated thoughts

50,000 years ago, humans began painting caves, sculpting figurines etc. Many believe this is when modern speech started, e.g. other than the grunts a wolf pack might make.

So I think these complicated thoughts are an evolution from 50,000 years ago. I think communication is just a by-product of this mutation in the brain.

This is just a theory I believe, but it does have support in the scientific community. A lot, in some quarters.

>tfw commies in this thread right now are posting on technology created under capitalism
>the heart burn medication that fredrick the 400lb commie is taking exists and is widely available thanks to capitalism
Really makes you think

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>>131606052
Goyim exist only to serve Jews as slaves. Goyim were only born to serve us. Without that they have no place in the world. Only to serve the people of Israel. Why are gentiles needed? They are only here to work. They will work, they will plow. They will reap. We will sit like effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.

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>>hur dur my religion is Marxism! Whatever Marx says, must be true

Not really, we're not Christians.

> even if it is internally contradictory

like the capitalists demanding TARP taxpayer funded bank bailouts? Those kinds of internal contradictions. And TARP is one of the minor contradictions of capitalism.

> has the world's most abysmal record for economic well being

The Soviet Union did very well under Lenin and Stalin. As did China under Mao.

Khrushchev denounced Stalin and stopped investing heavily in capital. Note China called Khruschev a revisionist and broke with him soon after he did this. The USSR economy went to hell during and after Khruschev, while China's has done quite well.

> and is disavowed by literally alleconomists

that's like saying Protestant ministers declare God is real!

>>porky is stealing from you! You deserve ALL the profit, who cares if you did any of the planning or capital accumulation

Heirs do no planning. "Capital accumulation" is the profits piling up that heirs steal from those who create wealth - the workers. Fucking parasitic heirs. Plus plenty of lackey apologists for those parasites sucking off those of us who work and create wealth.

>>hurr it's inevitable that the world will advance into a pist-scarcity economy under communism even though pist-scarcity is a priori impossible because humans will always compete for resources

The whole world was communist 10,000 years ago. The past 10,000 years was an aberration off this norm.

>>durr stupid right wingers, not following my 19th century cult religion
>fuck off, goose-stepping welfare queens

The welfare queens are the heirs who do not work and their parasitic lackey bootlickers.

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Communism is a Jewish ideology for the goyim and used to install themselves as parasite rulers. They promise paradise but in reality communism is a way for Jews to have their "2800 slaves"

>>131608204
>what happens if people decide to not work under communism?

Under socialism "those who do not work, do not eat". If you refuse to work to grow food, or work to trade with those who grow food, then you don't eat. Of course, there will be benefits for the handicapped, elderly etc.

Under communism, robots will be doing the farm work, giving the food to self-driving cars and such. So if you don't want to work, no problem. Some people will probably be doing scientific experiments, creating art and so forth though.

>>131611801
>"those who do not work, do not eat"
so just like capitalism?
>Under communism, robots will be doing the farm work....
and now the scifi starts

>>131608511
>your entire ideology is predicated on 'equal individuals'?

I'm not really sure what this means. If it means that workers will stop letting heirs expropriate the wealth workers create, and in that sense the worker and heir will then be equal, then yes, we believe in that equality.

I don't see what it has to do with your unique DNA.

(Actually you don't have a unique DNA, because mutations within cells in your body mean you have dozens of similar DNA's running around your body. Not much of a problem unless one of those mutations switches on the wrong amino acid and then cancer cells are racing through your body. You don't have one unique DNA).

>>131607785
That is just a denial of reality.
This LITERALLY happened in the USSR, people forced to work with a gun to their head. (more often though it is was the prospect of torture or death instead of a gun)

No one in America is forced to work, you can do whatever you want as long as it sustains yourself.

>>131607926
>We don't deny biology, we want to make any possible changes
If your Ideology requires you to force billions of years of evolution, then it is a bad Ideology and CAN NOT work in practice.
People forcing other people to change is exactly what lead to the genocides in the USSR.

Even if functioning communism is the greatest system conceivable, the road there is not one humanity could ever take.
As changing human nature is quite literally impossible.

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>>131611801
Are there any working slave bots (robo goys) available yet?

>>131611801
That sounds okay for a population of 100 people. Not 320 million.

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>mfw when the link between marxist ideology and totalitarianism has not only been firmly established, but actually detailed by Solzhenitsyn.
>So that if the sheer weight of it's constant failures weren't enough, there is actually someone to hold your hand through the analytical process.
>mfw nu males still support communism simply because they would rather use their brains to amass evidence to justify their child-like morality than actually learn about why their systems invariably fail.

>>131611801
>Under socialism "those who do not work, do not eat"
That should actually be:
Under socialism or communism "people, do not eat"


>Under communism, robots will be doing the farm work, giving the food to self-driving cars and such.
Retarded beyond belief. You are talking about an utopia which does not exist and never will.
You are describing something which has nothing to do with reality.

>>131608569
>A noble cause, but ultimately flawed and impossible to achieve equilibrium because what is provided to the needy requires contribution of the productive.

Firstly - the most unproductive people are the heirs who do not work, whose parents did not work, whose own parents did not work and so forth - and they are the ones who expropriate the most, live in mansions etc. While you're worried about the guy getting a pittance relief check, because the business closed down because the profit (expropriation) margin went down.

Secondly, its only in the past few centuries that the modern reserve army of labor, or unemployed or modern poor was invented. Centuries ago almost everyone had a farm they were assigned to and worked on it.

It's an oddity that things which did not exist at all a few centuries ago have now become supposedly chiseled in stone human nature which can not be changed.

>>131612116
>If it means that workers will stop letting heirs expropriate the wealth workers create,
This is counter-intuitive. IF you want to raise the working class, allowing them to provide a better future for their children thru inheritance is the best way. Otherwise you are dooming all generations to abject poverty in some twisted sense of moral fairness.

>>131608762
>the base does not determine the superstructure

Of course the base determines the superstructure.

Marcuse was correct in 1933, that the left was so fixated on the base, it ignored the superstructure. He was also correct that white western working class people would not overthrow the system in a communist revolution from 1933 into the coming decades.

The base is what determines everything though. The forces of production. Which capitalism is forever revolutionizing.

>>131608850
>So you wanna regress to an older way of life and call it progress?

Is not letting some heir parasitically expropriate surplus labor time from me progress? Yes. Is this how it was in the older way? Yes.

>>131612952
Heirs aren't an issue kiddo. They blow thru their money within a few generations arnd their grandkids end up going back to work. Less than 1% of population lives like this. You are making a mountain out of your jealousy and greed.

You aren't talking about progress, you are talking about regress, because someone has more than you. You sound like a child throwing a temper tantrum because I have more toys than you. What does it matter in the end? Money can't buy happiness and negatively focusing on what you don't have will ruin your quality of life.

always remember commies aren't people

>>131612786

I'd love those Venezuelan titties in my face

>>131609037
>everyone is biologically capable of an elite, or even moderate education

What the hell is an elite education? I have seen education from nursery schools to MIT graduate teaching. 99% of the people I meet can do any of it, if motivated. I've never run into anything hard. I have tutored many people, and people learn the same.

It is true that some people work a lot harder than others.

Talking about superior biology is a lazy parasite's idea.

Also, if intelligence is genetic, and not the result of intellectual work, then the Jew is genetically superior to the European. All those Nobel prizes etc. Not something I mind, but I know how /pol/ feels about such things.

In reality, Jews do better because they do more intellectual work.

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Communism is awesome so don't let the uneducated rednecks say otherwise. I wish that miracle upon the western allies from the depths of my heart. It's not fair if only one side was allowed to experience it. We should all, together, all the people of the world, share the joyous benefits of that wonderful system.

I love how on the internet every time when someone mentions communism, middle class college art students are the ones making pro-communist arguments, while the people who lived under it (or whose) parents and grandparents lived under it always shit on it. College students from western european and north american countries are the most ignorant people on planet earth, it's mind-blowing how uninformed they are. not just about communism, but about everything.

Gotta love how retards that never experienced communism glorify it.
Would have loved seeing them living in commie land during the cold war and probably get kidnapped by the secret police and killed in a forest outside the town where they lived.

>>131613231
also remember that "real" communism cannot and will not ever exist

>>131609104
>>implying humans 10,000 years ago had no hierarchy

There was no surplus production 10,000 years ago. Thus no class system. As a class system is predicated on surplus production. You have to stop being a migratory hunter-gatherer and start farming to have a surplus. Please tell me where this happened prior to 10,000 years ago, anthropologists the world over would love to know.

To be very precise, the larger estimates put this at 10,500 or 11,000 years ago. Others put it at 9,000 years ago.

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>>131613318
You will never understand this picture

>>131609331
>There will always be another class line drawn

always? There were no classes 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, 30,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago.

Classes are predicated on surplus production. Plus some workers who do surplus production, all of which is given to a class which does not work.

>>131613629
>There were no classes 10,000 years ago, 20,000 years ago, 30,000 years ago, 40,000 years ago, 50,000 years ago.
Incorrect. EVERY species of ape lives in heirarchal family groups. They have alphas, betas and omega classes. Most anthropologist believe this is how humanity started as well. Marx's labor theory was inaccurate. He claims there is an objective value to labor, when in reality, the value of labor is subjective to the individual. You are out of your league here. Go back to /leftypol/

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Multiculturalism benefits the bourgeoisie the most. Cheap labour and distraction to prevent revolution. Killing 2 goys with one stone

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>On another thread earlier, someone said people are getting married later "because of leftist ideology"
Yes, women working and abandoning the family are leftist ideals. Communism doesn't give a fuck about the family either. In fact, the closer a family is, the worse off for the state because the state needs to be able to indoctrinate the youth. Can't have the parents giving their kids crazy ideas that don't agree with the party.
>They want people to go to college so their productivity per hour goes up.
They want people to go to college because it's a leftist indoctrination center and it leaves them forever indebted when they pay $50k for a liberal arts degree and make minimum wage as a secretary after graduation. It's no longer about learning, it's a scam.
>Leftists are materialists, meaning we believe in the material world, somewhat knowable by the scientific method and logical deduction
Here's some logical deduction for you: Communism is against human nature. Assigning trades to people based on test scores or aptitude is naive. You can take someone with an outstanding aptitude for something but with no interest in it and he will never produce as much as someone with a decent aptitude but a passion for the work.

Communism has absolutely no safeguards against those who would abuse the system. The state has entirely too much power, so once it's in power it's impossible to actually enforce the ideals Joe Schmo Revolutionary fought for in the first place. Why? Because the people who rise to power in business and political organizations tend to be sociopaths. In communism they are provided with way too many tools to abuse their natural lust for power and manipulative traits.

Look, I'm not saying capitalism or any other ideology is perfect. What I am saying is if you claim none of these past communist countries have been true communism, maybe there's a reason. The ideology is such a failure it can't even get started without being subverted.

(cont)

>>131609489
>states attempting to operate large sections of the economy

Like the taxpayer bailouts of the banks?

Or taxpayers paying for Boeing R&D via military contracts?

Government military spending is the engine of the US economy. Has been since World War II.

The last time Germany rounded-up and expelled Jews...it experienced the biggest economic boom in history.

Communism is a Jewish ideology and all leftists need to be thrown from helicopters

Libertarianism is a Jewish ideology too, at least modern form. Even more so than communism.

National Socialism fucks over the bourgeois and feeds the people

Bolshevism fucks over the worker and starves the people (the neo bourgeois it forms remains well fed tho)

Socialism is literally a tool of slavery for the lower class.

>Say they are for the working class
>Haven't worked a day in their lives
>looks down on the blue collar workers and farmers
>Say they are against the "bourgeois" (property owners)
>Bolsheviks get financial support from millionaire jews Olof Aschberg and Joseph Fels to the point they almost went bankrupt
>The very people they say they are against
>Lenin's cabinet of 1917 was made up almost entirely of jews
>All the rebel leaders of the Free Socialist Republic of Germany in 1918 were jews
>The top 1% had almost total control
>Anyone that disagreed with them are killed or sent to work camps for "re-education"
Why are communist hypocrites?

>>131609680
>There have always been hierarchies.

What is the hierarchy of the remaining migratory hunter-gatherer bands, where there is no property, no surplus production etc.? Please enlighten me.

>>131605447
i love the communist flag. i insta hide threads started by that flag. It's like sewing a star of david on your own shirt. fucking idiot

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>>131613893

I get it, I really do. I think deep down a lot of people who identify as communism really want everyone to live in this utopia where people may not needlessly lavishly but want for nothing of need. It goes against every human instinct to think that can work.

The corrupt will stab the worker in the back and hoard riches for themselves. The insane will murder those who disagree with the state having full control over worker's lives. If you think power will be in the hands of the worker instead of the state, you are naive. Those with power behind the scenes will ensure those causing too many waves will be labelled enemies of the state and purged.

The mere fact that your best argument is 'communism has never been tried' should invalidate every thing else that comes out of your mouth. It's like if I took a bunch of plywood and nails, put it together in my backyard in the shape of a rocket, painted it red and let my neighbor light it on fire. Then I spent the rest of my life arguing that the only reason I didn't make it to space was because my neighbor lit the fire wrong.

>>131614220

you clearly have never read marx's works if you believe communism has ANY religious connection to judaism.

Read this and stop spouting misinformed drivel swine.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

>>131614483
You clearly don't understand Judaism if you think it's going to openly take public responsibility for the failures of communism. Jews do things, and if it's a success, they was Jewish. If it failed, they were white.

>>131614651

Marx was as disgusted by Judaism as he was all religion.

Let me remind you, the author of communist ideology repeatedly and publicly denounced religion as 'the opiate of the masses.'

"Religion has become the spirit of civil society, of the sphere of egoism, of bellum omnium contra omnes. It is no longer the essence of community, but the essence of difference. It has become the expression of man’s separation from his community, from himself and from other men – as it was originally."

>>131610305
>the state produces the capital that apparently is the problem in the form of Fiat money.
>Where do you stand on this?

I stand fairly close to this explanation -

https://monthlyreview.org/2014/05/01/stagnation-and-financialization/

One of the most compelling things about Magdoff and Foster is the data they point to, and the simple observations they make. Ones few others outside the left make. They have far-reaching conclusions which you can disagree with, but their charts from government data are harder to argue with.

The US has thousands of tons of gold at Fort Knox and in other locations. Why? Why does it do so?

There's only one answer to that question - as an implicit floor to fiat money.

The gold is just a commodity that makes a good currency due to its durability, uniformity, portability, divisibility etc.

Any commodity the government could tax and exchange for fiat money.

Fiat money is always backed by an implicit guarantee of convertibility. The idea it is worth something because the government accepts it is fantasy, which I'm sure you agree with me on that point.

I believe it's the other way around - fiat money gets worth not from being something that can be taxed, but being something that is implicitly backed by government power to tax commodity production.

>>131611148
> technology created under capitalism

moron, I have been on the Internet, which I used to call the ARPAnet, since the 1980s.

Commercial traffic was not allowed on the Internet until 1991, and NSFnet banned commercial traffic until 1995. The Internet was built entirely on taxpayer dollars, from 1969 to 1991 (out to 1995).

"Capitalism" Know what you're talking about you fucking moron.

>>131614939
You're right. Pure coincidence the elite of the communist party were Jews.

>>131615010
Big article, I'll read it later tonight. Thanks.

There's absolutely nothing backing Fiat money, the denominations are just memes; $15000 for a house then, $200 million today for the same house.

That increase in price comes from an increase in the total amount of dollars in existence which is set by no one.

For example, theres only ever going to be 21 million btc. How many total USD exist? No one knows, not even ms yellen.

It's a Ponzi scheme and a fraud favouring only the jews who run it, philosophically we are in a state of communism already. Think about it.. who controls everything including money? The gubberment.

Money = sex, food, shelter, status etc

We're already in your utopia.

>>131612307

Hitler did a lot of good despite himself - the capitalists placed their faith in him in 1933. In 1945, the Red Army marched into Berlin, and Hitler blew his brains out. Then several decades of eastern Europe being under communist influence (and western Europe too).

>>131612391
>still support communism

I see your flag is the UK one.

In the recent UK elections, one of the most left wing Labour MPs ever just gained a number of seats.

Also, in Ireland's six counties, socialist Sinn Féin won all 7 nationalist seats, so now no nationalists sit in Westminster. There are 11 unionists in Westminster, but that's due to electoral maps, the votes are closer - plus also, demographics show that every year the Irish population growing and the unionist settler population dying off. Soon a formerly revolutionary socialist party will be the majority in the six counties.

Maybe we can send DUPers to those gulags you picture.

>>131616075
nice LARP m8

>>131613085

Highgate cemetery is not owned by "Marx enthusiasts".

>>131615711
and then what?

>>131613218
>their money

Heirs don't have money

They have the power to expropriate surplus labor time from me and from workers

It is a social relationship

You are talking some commodity fetishism stuff

>>131616451
>Heirs don't have money
So that cash Paris Hilton spent wasn't money?
You guys are literally retarded sometimes

>>131606249
>can't even say obscene vulgar slurs
It's okay commiefag, you won't get banned from here like @ plebbit.

>>131614263
there will and have always been haves and have-nots. stop being obtuse you scum

>>131618339
>tfw you forget all these commies, antifa, marxist, etc... are just fucking students, plebs, massive debt holders, dregs and people who don't earn $40k+ a year.

>>131618753
if a system fails you, do you continue to support it?

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>>131605447
>They tell me someone named God lives in the clouds, he created the universe, and like Santa Claus he will judge if you have been bad or good "after you die" But you don't die, you're still alive?

Still better than be judged by dead Santa Claus named marx and live all life in slavery and misery for "greeter good of the future generations". As you will be dead it is all pointless anyway.

Also fun fact: denying existence of God in Russia is a felony now. Commies BTFO.

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>replying to this thread
you fucking retards

These people are literally referring to each other as "comrade". Maximum cringe-fest beta farm. Trying to actually reason, debate, or engage with these people is a fucking waste of time.

>>131606516
>I personally like Marxist-communism views on religion, I've always believed that religion was developed to manipulate the masses, and spreads like a virus.
It hilarious that Marxist-communism transformed into pseudo religion of willful poverty itself and became everything that Marxism teaching condemns.

>>131619223
How was life under communism my friend? got any stories?
I can't help but notice that the ex-communist countries are all the most right wing. Makes you think

>>131618968
(You) failed!
>not owning property by 28
>not earning at least $40k by 25
>living in a big city
>not doing subsistence gardens and hunting meat
Fucking plebs! There are always decent paying jobs out there! Ya might have to uproot, do actual labor (not service jobs) and live uncomfortably for a while, but that's life.
>not having family owned property that is passed down generations
>not having parents and grandparents save a couple of grand a year so (You) have some funds set to help in adulthood
>implying full automation and advance A.I. will be for plebs
>implying a 'Great Cull' won't happen
>implying I/We owe (You) anything
Fuck extreme forced sharing, MERIT ONLY!

>>131605447
>too stupid to understand the difference between evangellicals and conservatives

No wonder youre a liberal. Thats like assuming all leftists must be gay since theyre all so obsessed with praising guys who suck cock.

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>>131611304
you are so reddit it hurts the eyes

>>131605447
leftists "believe", so they are more stupid than conservatives.

conservatives have good education and live in real world of productivity, business and conflicts

leftists ignore science and use dogmas, conservatives ask for proofs in every situation.

thats why leftists fail and conservatives win all the time. Leftism leads to wars and mass murders. in the end leftists are often ruled by totalitarian dictator.

leftism (natioanal socialism, communism, socialism, neoliberalism etc) is appealing to masses because masses do not want to think. they do not want to work and they want free stuff.

Thats why leftists think that conservatives are "evil"
And conservatives think that leftists (liberals) are "stupid"

>>131619937

thats right goy, work for 20 years doing hard labour, 6 days a week and maybe we will give you a mortage on that house you want.

>>131621177
you could always invent something or open your own business, but that may be asking too much of you

>>131621367

I could do that, then have my invention bought up/stolen by bigger more parasitic companies than me, or be bought out/pushed out by the monopolies currently in place.

The system is already rigged to keep the majority of its occupants in abject poverty and slavery, and to not only make the complacent in this madness but patriotic.

>>131621496
you patent it and then sell it if you don't have the stones for the business world. eh whatever you just want what other people have so I'm out

>>131621496
I remember when I had fun larping as a faggott

>>131621496
sell your invention to big company. if it worth more than SHIT, then they will pay you because it will be 25x cheaper (if even possible) than to make themselves

you underestimate power of "know-how".

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>>131620853
Shouldn't you be getting ready for school, junior?

>>131621875
>>131621748
>>131621648

so we should rely on a system to be effective for its people under the assumption that every single person in that system can somehow make some kind of revolutionary product that will grant them the privelage of being considered full of merit?

are you all fucking retarded?

not everyone can be a millionaire, the system is designed this way to keep the majority poor.

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>>131621177
>not retiring at 32
>not being frugal and saving $260k+ in the last 13 years
>not owning property
>not going to inherit property and assets
>paying renting
Ayo hol up cuh!

>>131605447
But you don't have to understand them. All you need to do is throw them into the gulags. It's simple.

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>>131619371
>got any stories?
Many. But lets concentrate on one.

Heaps of garbage.
This was intrinsic part of communists landscape. For modern people in developed countries it is alien concept and if garbage apears it thing to deal with. Not under communism. Municipal workers did repairs? they left cable reels, old removed rusty tubes, pile of broken concrete and asphalt to lie where they did work. And these piles were lying in one place for YEARS. Not in some wasteland , but in the middle of the cites. On streets sidewalks, inside city blocks right under commieblocks windows. (of course it was great fun for kids to ahve such things to play with).

Puddles. In many places due to bad design and not working rain drainage system permanent puddles appear. Along streets, sidewalks and inside city blocks. Often this were not
just puddles but small ponds waist deep. And again they stayed in one place for YEAR and no one bothered to drain them. Of course they become target places to store aforementioned garbage (again more fun for kids and bad news for careless drivers trying to cross these puddles hehehe).

Holes. Municipal workers doing water tube repairs? they dig holes and these holes may stay open for month and even go onto winter (no one gonna work in the fucking winter lol) and another year. Giant like fortifications, moats with ramparts on the edge with old rusty metal tubes sticking out here and there. (again more fun fo kids, who would not like castle righter under windows of their commieblock? Just beware of glass fibers on tubes, nasty stuff).

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>>131622225
You have been warned numerous times now Anonymous, please remove your posts right now, or legal actions will be used.

/Sincerely

>>131622031
Stop bumping your own thread faggot noone wants to hear your commie bullshit. Arguing against communist is impossible. You keep providing them facts on why their shitty system fails, and the say its not real communism.

>>131622317
Ad hoc garbage dumps. Garbage disposal containers were rare and fare from each other (optimization!) so people dumped large grabage that can't fit into garbage chutes here and their. of course if somewhere garbage lies, people start add garbage of top of it and here it is, big solid pile. Though they where not under windows, people tied to stuff it in some out of sight corners. In rural areas garbage disposal simply non existed and every settlement had one or several garbage dumps surrounding it. Somewhere in the surrounding fields or forests. (again more fun for kids there are bazillions things you can find in the garbage to play with).

>>131622128

>be american
>get shot
>pay $40k in medical bills
>mexicans steal your job
>just work hard and be frugal goyim we can all make it :^)))

>>131622387
you sound dumb

>>131622031
>not everyone can be a millionaire, the system is designed this way to keep the majority poor.
Fun fact: communism has no inherent intensive to make majority rich. Quiet opposite. The more communist ruler takes from majorty the more he has for his global projects like arming Arabs against israel or teaching niggers in Africa.

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>>131622031
not every

thats why hierarchy exits. hierarchy is basic principle in existance of Hominidae. conservatives believe in science and they don't pretend that human is not animal.

capitalistic conservative hierarchy is better than feudalism, slavery, bararism etc. in previous times big monkey killed small monkey. today big monkey allows small monkeys to exist, Big monkeys accumulated stuff instead of abusing small monkey.

equality (between members of same level of hierarchy), fraternity and equal redistribution can work only in MILITARY because it is a part of espirit de corps, but leftists ignore this fact. they are feminine weakling that hate military and glory

you ignored the fact about "know-how"

>>131605447
>somewhat knowable by the scientific method and logical deduction
You mean like when Mao ordered higher national steel production by having household pots and pans be smelted down into shit iron?

>>131622763
>capitalistic conservative hierarchy is better than feudalism
Feudalism is better under special circumstances.

IE bad technology of transportation and communication. If transportation is done on foot and horse with prohibitive costs (300 km trip doubles cost of the grain) and unreliable and slow feudalism is the best system.

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>>131623066
only under "extraordinary special" circumstances when capitalism is impossible due to many reasons

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>>131605447
I don't get communists. They tell me someone named Marx never held a job, but that he created a utopian economic system, and like God he can give you paradise. But it's not paradise because it's a dictatorship and millions of people die? Any how...

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>>131623378
mad marx

>>131605447
>They tell me someone named God lives in the clouds
Nothing to do with "Conservatism".

Authoritarianism is non-partisan.

You commies worship your own God/s. As such Lenin or Stalin or Mao. Kim family is are Gods in North Korea, literally. People were shocked that the father died because they were led to believe that he was more than human.

But then again there An-Coms out there that don't believe in any form of hierarchy. However dumb that is.

I appose all that. I wont worship Gods or follow dictators, but some command structures are needed for a large institution to work.

>if you consider liberalism leftist ... circa the late 1700s

If we did live in 1700s liberalism would be called right wing. We don't live in 1700s. I know you read Karl Marx and other commie books and they refer to Capitalists as Liberals, but that was way before our time.

Today liberals believe in welfare, public healthcare, regulation on the economy and business, minimum wage, public education and corporate bailouts. Essentially, the meaning of the word changed. Liberals today are pseudo-socialists. "Classical Liberalism" might be a bit better than what we know today as Liberalism. You commies are more likely to win over "Liberals" than "Classical Liberals". Classical liberals are less authoritarian, but they are still on the left just not as much as Liberals.

Then there is progressives, which are 100% socialists or communists that understand power politics and realize the word socialist and communist are precised negatively by many people.

I wonder why...

>>131605447
"Dialectical materialism is an aspect of the broader subject of materialism, which asserts the primacy of the material world: in short, matter precedes thought. Materialism is a realist philosophy of science,[12] which holds that the world is material; that all phenomena in the universe consist of "matter in motion," wherein all things are interdependent and interconnected and develop according to natural law" Marx could not be MORE WRONG. As early as the 1920's scientist PROVED that thought actually precedes matter (material). Go and watch the Double Slit experiment on youtube. Material reality does NOT exist without and EXTERNAL conscious mind to observe and thus collapse a probability wave into matter. Reality is entangled on the quantum level with consciousness that exists outside the measurable reality. The Material Dialectic is based and a limited perception model by a bachwards Jew. This is why Jesus said, "man cannot live on bread alone". Jesus was referring to metaphysics. The study of being human basically. We order our material world based on our beliefs. The material world does not shape our beliefs. Marx was not understanding a natural system of social evolution, he was deforming spiritual actualization. Certainly capitalism does a good enough job of that on its own, but Marx....mmmmm...put the cherry on top.

>>131606882
Top Kek. Favorite Meme of the day. Laughing my ass off. Le Happy Merchant would have gotten away with it, if it werern't you darn goyim.

How can anyone support communism (unless already in a communist country) after the hundreds of millions of lives its killed in the 20th century. Capitalism is what allowed the U.S. to prosper so quickly as a young nation; though now its crony capitalism with socialism and...we're all kinds of messed up today. What scares me the most is how all the young adults are actually calling for socialism/communism. It doesn't work, and it never will. EVER.!

>>131608762
Great points.

>>131607179
this sums up gommunizm breety much :DDDD

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Communism was founded by Karl Marx, who is related by blood to the Rothschild bankers

The Bourgeoisie wanted a system of complete control, so that the masses gave them 100% of their wealth and property voluntarily (this is why private property doesn't exist under Communism, it's all owned by the state while they tell stupid goyim it's actually all theirs, and it's also why Marx talked about "seizing the means of production")

So they got this Jew, Marx, to indoctrinate the poor fools into giving all their wealth and property to the "state". Not only that, but he also indoctrinated them with ideas such as national borders being bad to push the same globalist agenda

The problem was who runs the state?
The Jews. Via the Central Banking system usually owned by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, and all these powerful Jews, and in the USSR, the Soviet government (Kaganovich, Trotsky, Zinoviev, Lenin...). This is why the "Russian" Revolution in 1917 was funded by rich Jewish bankers like Jacob Schiff, the Rothschilds, the Warburgs...

You only have to look at Venezuela, it has a Central Banking System. This is why people never become rich in Communist nations, only poor, and why so many people starved in the USSR. The solution is to end the Central Banking Systems

Anyone who still follows communism, an ideology that never worked, has killed over 100M people, is retarded in terms of social policies (let's destroy national borders and the family unit because of "capitalism"?) and was only ever created by Jews to benefit Jews if you look at it objectively, is retarded. The original communism is Jewish supremacism.The fact that they've convinced so many college students to think it's any good shows how far the ideological subversion has come

Marx advocated genocide, so did Trotsky and Lenin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAYtknd1ncY
>Karl Marx planned genocide for Europe's "Racial Trash"

>>131605447
This is a bait post, but I'll bite
You're trying to claim intellectualism and atheism for the left, but that simply isn't true. You're conflating unrelated points to build an argument on a false premise. That's a strawman. It's also ad hom.

Increasing productivity/hour is neither a goal nor a product of a college education. While you can become more efficient through familiarity and learn proper procedures etc so you're doing it right and understanding what you're doing, you can get that through personal study. College professors nowadays are teaching very little that you couldn't just find in books, just like all of our "teachers".

The right doesn't want to mindlessly churn out workers, that's the perspective of someone who, to be blunt, is lazy and naive. While it's all well and good to want some Star Trek socialist utopia, that simply isn't reality. That is neither a system that is available to us nor is it possible with our current level of technology, we can only reach the level of efficiency to maximize our resources like that through the crucible of a competitive open market.

What we CAN do in the circumstances given to us is gain money. You can have whatever opinions you want but when it comes down to it, you need money to survive in the modern world. It's just a given. Therefore, the right wants to pave the road for people to work and gain money that they can use get what they need to live and ideally use as much of it as possible in ways that generate more money. Buying and selling goods, providing services privately, creating a business, etc. Working for someone else and putting money in the bank is just a start, it's not all you should be doing to make a living.

It's only because of right wing ideologies that it's so fucking easy to survive in this modern world that you can just make silly fucking videos or stream video games online for a living.

>>131605447
" someone named God lives in the clouds.. " stopped reading right there, if that is the first thing u dont understand, then.... sage,sage,sage

>>131609579
Market forces are the infinite points of information arbitrage between all agents in the feild of exchange. Think of a pool table with no pockets where the balls never stop moving but keep bouncing off each other forever. Each ball imparting its information into other balls while they do the same to it all changing direction simultaneously and based on this chaos a prediction is made before the next exchange based and past exchanges and assumptions made about future exchanges.

>>131608965
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFNAUv17QFc

>>131605447
I am now dumber for having read this.

>>131605447
I can tell you this....Communism would end migration to this country. Has anyone ever wondered why NOBODY ever emigrates to a communist country? Not even communists will emigrate (generally) to a communist country. There is no economic growth there. That's why. A communist system has NO need for more people. Other than bodies required to make sure the state can build a military, there really is no need to add more people. If communism will stop the mud flood of shitskins then comrades....I'm in.

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>>131608201
I hope you realize that automation is nothing more than an investment that can only be figured out with market prices.

The base of engineering, electronics, civil construction, it's all market prices. Without knowing the marginal value of each additional unit you procude, and the cost of everything you utilize, there's no such thing as automation.

That's why North Korea and Cuba are not cyberpunk utopias by now, but rather, technologiless shitholes.

>>131627691
>Has anyone ever wondered why NOBODY ever emigrates to a communist country? Not even communists will emigrate (generally) to a communist country.
Common. Soviet people would be glad to give up a hand and a leg to immigrate to Poland or Czechoslovakia. But USSR build wall to keep serfs inside.

>There is no economic growth there.
There are communist countries and communist countries. Inequality is inherent to central planing too, forced income distribution does that.