Are some people born gay?

>>131549486
Personally I think its a meme.

you never see kids fucking each other so how would you know?

you can be made gay though, I'm sure of that.

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>>131549486

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probably

but you can be made more gay or less gay
((((they)))) are currently making people gay

look back at the old times or the middle ages, there werent as many gays as there were today

>>131550093
>you never see kids fucking each other so how would you know?
says the guy from a country where all schoolboys are gay

>>131549486
you can have a disposition towards a certain kind of behavior, but whether you entertain it or reject it will always be a choice

https://clips.twitch.
tv/RichImportantEggnogAMPEnergyCherry


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.tv/narcissawright/PuzzledSeahorseBabyRage

>>131549486
i wish the straight cis community would take "Born This Way" as their anthem.

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>>131550700
>https://clips.twitch.
>tv/RichImportantEggnogAMPEnergyCherry
>https://clips.twitch
>.tv/narcissawright/PuzzledSeahorseBabyRage
trannies need to be rounded up and killed

>>131550539
>says the guy from a country where all schoolboys are gay
>you can be made gay though, I'm sure of that.

not until puberty

>>131551023
I became bi by talking more about it, I think it's true

I'm gay, and have been into boys for literally as long as I can remember.

No one is born with a lisp and rainbow fauxhawk though, being a complete faggot has got to be a product of your environment, but sexuality itself is complex and I can't say for sure, but I had my first kiss with another boy at 11 and never looked back. We didn't know what gay was then, I remember just being curious as to why 2 boys couldn't be together, why only boys with girls.

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>>131551389
>No one is born with a lisp and rainbow fauxhawk though, being a complete faggot has got to be a product of your environment
this

>>131549486
I don't think it really matters desu. Some people just want to suck dick or scissor vags. What's wrong with that?

>>131551262
yeah, its almost like when athletes visualise the win.
if you think about something a lot the less dangerous it feels i guess.
the power of thought and conversation plants seeds in the brain, top it off with a little propaganda and BOOM theres a benis in your ass.

im not sure but seems to make sense

youtube pushing gay shit again I see

I would guess that it's a mix of both. There are certain people who are almost certainly born gay (the boys who want to take ballet at age 4), while for others it's due to some early molestation or other intervention.

Another complicating factor is bisexuals, who can probably legitimately say they've "made a choice" to be straight or gay.

>>131549486
Gay men are the product of a poor diet and weak fathers.

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>>131551936
I have a hard time seeing a pole shilling about homosexuality

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>>131549486
>Are some people born gay?
>I've recently got into an argument with a friend of mine on the topic of "being born gay".
>He stated that people can be born as fags without any proof at all.
if you're going to call homosexualists "fags" i may as well just call you a dirty kike and be done with it
this isn't even politically-related
it's your own disturbed sociological questioning

>>131551588
not really propaganda

>>131551643
This is such a dumb arguement. There's plenty of gay men with very straight, very masculine fathers who have tried for years and years to push their sons to normalcy, and it never works. I don't think fathers, or male figures of any kind have that much of an influence on sexuality.

Whether you have a weak father or a strong father, or no father, or 2 fathers, you can still end up gay.

>>131549486

The "choice" argument comes from christfags making the distinction between who you're attracted to (which they admit isn't a choice) and who you actually have sex with (which is obviously a choice if you're not getting raped) so they can still blame gays for choosing to "sin" rather than be celibate or closeted and not cast any blame on God for making them that way as they still have free will no matter how they're born.

Then fucking retards on the right think what they're saying is you choose who you're turned on by somehow but only if you're gay somehow and people would choose to be gay even in places where you're killed for it for some reason.

Leading research points towards homosexuality and transexuality being caused by hormone imbalances the fetus is exposed to in the womb which is why you get phenomena like it being more likely a man is gay the more older brothers he has because his mothers womb gets less efficient at producing the right hormones each time and why it's usually pretty obvious when a little boy is going to be gay because he acts feminine from literally having been exposed to too much estrogen as a fetus.

So it's actually LITERALLY a birth defect kek. Of course this triggers right wingers who are still repeating misinterpreted religious arguments AND liberals who don't want to admit it's a medical problem and wouldn't want a gay vaccine to be developed which is theoretically possible.

>>131549486
no. it's a choice. i don't have a problem with it though as long as you aren't an obnoxious pride parade cake baker shaming faggot.

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>>131552232
>The "choice" argument comes from christfags making the distinction between who you're attracted to (which they admit isn't a choice) and who you actually have sex with (which is obviously a choice if you're not getting raped)
>Leading research points towards homosexuality and transexuality being caused by hormone imbalances the fetus
>So it's actually LITERALLY a birth defect kek.
fuck off kike

No.
People can control their thoughts but faggots don't.
It's Pavlovian learned responses.
You can stop being a faggot just like you can stop being a kleptomaniac

The bollocks they will talk now will be endless but they are just making it up like the addicts they are

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>>131552261
>no. it's a choice. i don't have a problem with it though as long as you aren't an obnoxious pride parade cake baker shaming faggot.
this is literally the god teir opinion

>>131549486
No one is born gay. Sexuality is purely environmental. Our studies are trash for figuring out the root cause of faggotry, because it's a (((bad idea for your academic career, goyim))) to figure out the root cause.

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>>131552615
>No.
>People can control their thoughts but faggots don't.
>It's Pavlovian learned responses.
>You can stop being a faggot just like you can stop being a kleptomaniac
>The bollocks they will talk now will be endless but they are just making it up like the addicts they are
says the dirty filthy christkike

>>131552615
Already in with its because of Christ cucks, god etc etc but the answer is this and doesn't include any mention of God

Gays are a symptom of a sick decadent culture
Their lives mere casualties, warnings to correct your own life.

>>131552805
>It's Pavlovian learned response
It actually is. Pavlov was right about everything.

Can you be "born straight"? I'm straight, and I wouldn't really put it in those terms.

>>131552805
What makes you want to believe I'm a Christian
I'm not a real Templar
You are still responsible for the state of your own mind and this is still the truth
>>131552615

>>131553028
being straight is a norm for almost every human you shitcock

>>131549486

Possibly. There are several genes that are found to correlate with being gay (ie, if you have the "gay" gene variant, then you are more likely to be gay). Like many other genetically associated traits, it's probably a mixture of genetics and environment. There are several genes related to schizophrenia, but you don't develop schizophrenia until receiving particular environmental triggers. In the case of schizophrenia, known environmental triggers are chronically elevated norepinephrine (ie, chronic stress) along with reduced levels of oxytocin and arginine vasopressin (ie, not getting enough love and affection). Triggers for gayness are not currently known, insofar as I am aware.

Lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth are at a much higher rate of suicide than straight people even when it's socially accepted: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3081186/

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>>131552823
> the answer is this and doesn't include any mention of God
you're retarded
your opinion is based in bible trash
>>131552773
>Our studies are trash for figuring out the root cause of faggotry, because it's a (((bad idea for your academic career, goyim))) to figure out the root cause.
what root cause?
it wasn't an issue until you dirty christkikes made an issue out of it
and we all know why
>>131553074
you dumb christkike
you're so stupid you arrogantly think i can be fooled by your disgusting biblical gay hatred
YOU STAND OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB ON 4CHAN, YOU DIRTY CHRISTJEW

>>131553156
What does that have to do with what I said?

Being straight is a sexuality. Being gay is a sexuality. I think if you aren't "born straight" then you can't be "born gay" either.

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LONG LIVE ISRAEL!!!!!!!!

>>131549486
no.
sexuality is something that develops like everything else.

at most, people are born more likely to develop a certain way, but thats it.

>>131549486
No. Being gay is a choice. The purpose of viological life is heterosexuality. Individuals change their preferences when exposed to external factors. It's like an artheist suddenly able to recite the quaran and wage a jihad, it would never happen unless the dude was exposed to being a muslim

>>131549486
You are born with many character traits, which you can choose to ignore or play up on and that may be encouraged or discouraged by your upbringing, events or general environment.

>>131552203
then why has the number of kids becoming trans literally doubled in the last few months

>>131553331
They debase themselves
The attraction of homosexuality seems to be in the 'wrongness' of it
It's a mental health issue

>>131553699
Fuck Israel

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>>131554264
>They debase themselves
only according to dirty christkike rules
>The attraction of homosexuality seems to be in the 'wrongness' of it
only according to dirty christkike rules
>It's a mental health issue
only according to dirty christkike opinion >>131553416

>>131554114
even though I'm bi I don't like that everyone thinks that pro LGBT groups represent the actual LGBT
all tyrannies should dig their own graves and shoot themselves

Yeah, just like how some people are born fucking retarded. Does it give them the right to live? NO

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>>131549486
Yes. It' s a scientific fact OP.

>>131549486
There's evidence of brain differences between heterosexual and homosexual men. Homosexual male brains are more similar in structure to female brains when you observe certain regions of the brain.

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>>131554451
ahahah nigga just go suck a dick at ur local gloryhole like wtf

>>131549486
Get in here boys. We need all the dislikes and hateful comments we can get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uem7QFp0uKY

>>131554513
but you take my point.

I dont dislike gays by the way.

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>>131549486
It doesn't matter whether they're born this way or became perverted later.

What remains true in any case is that they don't choose it - why would you choose to be abnormal if you had another choice?

The fact that they didn't choose it doesn't make them any less dangerous and obnoxious and it doesn't make the need for removing them physically any less urgent.

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>>131554857
>ahahah nigga just go suck a dick at ur local gloryhole like wtf
https://www.4chan.org/rules#pol
>2. You are free to speak your mind, but do not attack other users. You may challenge one another, but keep it civil!

>>131549486
It's nature vs nurture.

People can be born with genetic predispositions but environment determines whether or not they're acted on.

>>131549486
Yes.

>>131554935
I think most people have the same opinion like yours ''as long you don't masturbate in front of children or exaggerate your faggotry you're alright''

>>131549486
Have you ever seen a baby cry with a lisp, that prefers assless chaps to diapers, and likes daddy's milk more than mommy's?

Fags sexualize babies to normalize their fetish. Babies are asexual. The original theory was something during development makes them gay, like hormonal imbalances. I'd buy it, that makes them even bigger freaks and gives us more shit to make fun of.

But a fucking gay baby? Seriously?

>>131549486
I don't think so. I think people develop their homosexuality by experiences they had as children.

>>131554975
Are you a literal jew faggot?

>>131553416
>what root cause
As best I can tell it's a confusion of the anima and animus brought on by parents who are not great at setting boundaries. This is exaggerated in the single mother scenario because the mother must occasionally wear the mask of the father, and her poor social standing will lead the child to be unsocialized so that he may correct the confusion with other data.

>>131549486
Being gay is usually the result of sexual abuse as a child.

Then people subsequently rationalize the abuse as their choice so as to take ownership over the trauma.

Hence why you see fags so fiercely defending their faggotry.

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>>131555331
>Are you a literal jew faggot?
>>131555335
what kind of a question is that?

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>>131555369
sociological garbage

>>131555555
1st

>>131552805
You can tell I hit the nail on the head from this response.
Why do you always seek to blame other people (me) or circumstances outside your control if you are doing nothing wrong?
Could it be that you know very well that what you are doing is wrong and that it being wrong is what turns you on?
(Obviously)

>>131555369
Oh plus the fact that mommy is super happy when boys give her cummies is a really under-considered cause of even modest levels of faggotry.

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>>131555555
include me in cap

>>131555555
Great get.

>>131549486
If your mother is infected with toxoplasmosis and/or is old and/or exposed to various chemicals, it increases the risk of homosexuality.

However, overexposure to sexual content and activities can greatly increase the risk as well.

>>131555555
WASTED

gayfags are just fetish deviants that taken it to another whole level of retardation

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>>131555643
>You can tell I hit the nail on the head from this response.
>Why do you always seek to blame other people (me) or circumstances outside your control if you are doing nothing wrong?
>Could it be that you know very well that what you are doing is wrong and that it being wrong is what turns you on?
>(Obviously)
no, you stupid christkike
it's only your religion that you believe
I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE to your dirty, filthy christian garbage, you moronic christkike twat

Can Oeople be born with other forms of perversity?
You can no more be born 'gay' than you can be born with a shoe sniffing fetish

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>>131555862
how is this political?

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>>131555634
Fuck off crypto-(((commie))). Sociology becomes politics about a year before an election, it's a year before an election, you know?! No, you don't because you're a fucking commie.

>>131549486
>Are some people born gay?
No, but many should die that way.

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>>131555936
>Fuck off crypto-(((commie))). Sociology becomes politics about a year before an election, it's a year before an election, you know?! No, you don't because you're a fucking commie.

>>131551461
Oh yeah the classic "muh sodomite in suit makes him gud while der sodomites who du it in public r bad"
The only good sodomite is the dead sodomite.

>>131549486
If i masturbate with trap porn now i am gay?

>>131556200
very

>>131549486
They aren't born gay.

Milo admitted to liking both sexes but 'chose' men over women. Give me a break.

A girl I met claiming to be bisexual only fondled another girl's tits with clothes on.

Just degenerates

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>>131556121
>The only good sodomite is the dead sodomite.

>>131549486
Xq28 gene, clean toilet bls

I don't see how it's a choice unless you're bisexual or so fucked up you'll fuck anything. I don't find men attractive. I'd assume most people fuck someone because there is a sexual attraction.

I don't comprehend how you can choose to be gay, or why anyone would for that matter.

>>131556283
Grab em

>>131549486
I don't believe so

It would make no sense for humans as a species to randomly be born with no way to reproduce as intended

I believe being gay is entirely based on your surroundings and personal choices

>>131556241
LGTB BTFO

I'm no scientist so my opinion is just that, but it seems like the gay is genetically determined. My reasoning primarily being:

1.) You know the gay voice? How you can hear it and know someone is gay? Not the lisp, but just the tonal qualities itself. Not all gay dudes have it, but every dude that has it is gay. I mean, maybe that's from too much dick hitting the vocal cords, but I believe that kind of thing has to have a genetic cause.
2.) If it's not genetic, that implies that YOU could be made gay. I'm pretty sure nobody can convince me to like dick, and admitting that people aren't born gay implies that someone could.

>>131555518
I know a guy who is just gay, not faggy gay though. I'm sure it can be both.

>>131549486
Yes, but it's a mental disorder like gender dysphoria. They are the exception to nature. Not the rule of it.

>>131556766
Mental illnesses are spiritual problems
>>131556595
Christ called these "born eunuchs" and everybody knew it meant gay. A word they didnt have yet. And He blessed them :)

>>131549486
>Are some people born with hormonal defects?

This isnt worth answering.

>>131556888
>Mental illnesses are spiritual problems

Guess those "pray the gay away" programs are pretty beneficial then.

>>131549486
sexual orientation might not be what any of us think it is. some call it a mental illness, others call it a native trait and retards call it a choice (or even worse - a sin).

you might argue that it is something you are born with as much as you can argue personality, preferences etc. are something you are born with.

you might also argue that it is (just like the other things i mentioned) something that develops during the formation years, which i would rather go with.

nonetheless, it is also something that might change over time or something you believe was a certain way but it is actually the other way. i personally evolved from straight to gay to bisexual to hetero-flexible(-ish).

what i did notice, though, is an insecurity often found in straight males, which makes them get out of their way to confirm that they are not gay, even at the slightest doubt (hence the "pause" and the "no homo" thing). what i also noticed (and is probably more obvious) is that most straight females have a bisexual behavior (for example, my brother has a girlfriend with very conservative views and she is really homophobic but calls her female friends cute names and kisses them sometimes which is ironic).

sexual orientation is also (arguably) a social construct, meaning we don't really have the environment to observe natural behavior of sexuality, since other social constructs kinda alter it.

there's a study somewhere on the internet about two twin sisters from Australia, one being straight and the one being gay. the study is kinda trying to prove that homosexuality is not something you are born with, although i don't really trust that study.

the verdict? i don't know. my bet is that sexuality develops during the formation years.

>>131549486
Doesn't make any sense biologically that homosexuality is becoming more and more common when it should be the opposite since fags are less likely to reproduce. It can't be hereditary.
Regardless, kids aren't born with a concept of sexuality, it's something that develops sometime in puberty naturally unless an external factor introduces concepts of sexuality before they surge naturally, which is what I think happens to fags. It could be movies, music, etc that introduces the idea to them.
To me, homosexuality was literally inconceivable until I saw fags in a movie for the first time

>>131549486
Nope.

>>131549486
Where's all the Israel flags go?

Kike shills RPing as nazis now, promoting homosexuality among the goyim.

Sad!

>>131549486
Fag here, I wasn't. At some point in life I sucked a dick and liked it. Being being gay is a fucking meme because fags couldn't accept some people think it's disgusting to take cocks up your ass, because if you dislike someone because of something you're born as and can't help then you're kinda of a dick.

>>131557552
So it's a choice? Does that mean you would gladly fuck guys but don't because of social pressure?

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>>131557838
>Where's all the Israel flags go?
>Kike shills RPing as nazis now, promoting homosexuality among the goyim.
>Sad!
according to this dirty christian, anyone who does not hate homosexuality (the edict which originates in LEVIticus>>131553416 ) is a "kike shill RPing", and the inclusion of "as nazis" is probably a deflected attack on me but certainly on the nazi flag

>>131550382
Damn dis nigga gay asf

Its a mental illness. I don't hate mentally ill people, but I hate mentally ill people who make their illness their identity when it doesn't have to be.

>>131549486

Here's my theory: various things pre-dispose you towards having a novelty seeking, feminized brain. That includes toxoplasmosis, hormonal disruption in the womb, atrazine, etc. Then as a kid if you're molested, you form a very strong association between the presumably male molester and sexuality. Since your brain is still developing, this moulds your sexuality around being dominated. Then when you're a teenager, if you happen to have high dopamine, high estrogen and low testosterone you will be very passive and will want to be dominated like women do and don't like having to assume the role of a man. Since being a beta cuck makes women dislike you, you'll probably do some gay shit with another guy at some point 'just to try it'. Then you'll slowly condition yourself into exclusively liking cock and tell yourself the former hesitation was that you didn't understand yourself enough. The more you get dominated by dicks the less you think about women because getting laid with guys is way easier. In the end you just accept that you are a butt-pirate.

If you were doing nothing wrong you'd take responsibility for it.
What we've actually got is every excuse imaginable so they don't have to take responsibility.
The only reason you'd refuse to accept responsibility is if you knew i it to be wrong, and if you know it's wrong you also know you weren't born that way or you wouldn't consider it wrong.
Like kleptomania it's totally Pavlovian.
There is no mystery.

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>>131560698
at least you're not publicly identifiable

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>>131561633
you dirty christkike
you're going round in circles debating your filthy jew-trash "the bible" >>131558474
4CHAN /POL/
not 4kike /christian/

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>>131549486
Whether the faggot gene exists or not, you can't lose the argument OP.
>If it exists then it is a defective mutation, that should be eradicated(gene editing).
>If it doesn't exists then faggotry is a learned degenerate habit.

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>>131562892
>Whether the faggot gene exists or not, you can't lose the argument OP.
filthy ignorant, arrogant, disgusting, rude bigot
>If it exists then it is a defective mutation, that should be eradicated(gene editing).
trying to play god are you, you dirty christkike
>If it doesn't exists then faggotry is a learned degenerate habit.
there's that useless christian garbage reasoning i am so accustomed to seeing ON THE POLITICS BOARD

>>131557363
pretty sure it's a fetish gone out of hand
thats why most want validation so much

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>>131551461
You are a faggot, you go about flaunting your faggot flag.

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>>131563227
Faggots burn in hell.

>>131563227
Is this your first day on /pol/ you dumb faggot?

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>>131563587
>Faggots burn in hell.
and you post an image of hitler
you stupid christkike
hitler appointed a KNOWN HOMOSEXUAL to run the Sturmabteilung for 10 years
and all you can mutter to ME is
>Faggots burn in hell.
there's so much wrong with that garbage statement
first, the word "faggot" is very clearly an anti-homosexual slur
second, "faggots burn in hell" is christian THEOLOGY
not political
>>131564115
>Is this your first day on /pol/ you dumb faggot?
yes it is
thanks for calling me a
>dumb faggot
i am told now
i prostrate myself at your christian feet and will just leave now

>>131552229
>There's plenty of gay men with very straight, very masculine fathers
do you know any? Cos I'm gay and barely any gay men I know have a good relationship with their Dad. The best one I've witnessed is my bisexual boyfriend and his dad but the dad is an alcoholic who left everything to the mother anyway.

What the fuck, how many gay days there are in a year, didn't we have one a month ago already?

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>>131564500
filthy blogpost
this isn't facebook or reddit where you can rant about some trash story you made up

>>131549486
>Are people born gay /pol/?
At most, you can be born with inclining factors, but ultimately everyone has control of what they do. I may be born with an inclination to steal or rape, but I choose not to do so. The proof that this is so comes from comparing the sexual orientation of identical twins: if it were pre-determined (like skin color), then almost 100% of identical twins would end up the same. But there is only somewhat of a correlation, making it evident that it isn't even a very strong inclination.

>>131549486
pornography normalizes certain behaviours by desensitizing the brain to them
porn is essentially a slippery slope that can do things like turn you gay or give you fetishes for feet or that sort of thing

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>>131566132
>porn is essentially a slippery slope that can do things like turn you gay
did porn turn your nation hispanic, too?

>>131565128
You call everything you don't want to hear filthy/disgusting etc.
Is that how you feel about your own perversity, and you're projecting?
You can stop anytime you want you know. It's as easy as a,b,c.
You can have 100% control over your own thoughts, with practise.
Learn to meditate in the Buddhist fashion. There are some good exercises for the mind too. Lay on a bed with your eyes shut, Imagine yourself falling off a cliff. Before you hit the bottom just stop. BOOM! You now have control.
Thoughts arise, you see them do not engage with them, they fall away.
If I were you I'd cure myself, especially if you think it's disgusting/revolting and those other things you keep saying

>>131563401
what is a fetish by your definition?

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>>131566340
>You call everything you don't want to hear filthy/disgusting etc.
because YOU disgust me
>Is that how you feel about your own perversity, and you're projecting?
what are you talking about?
YOU are accusing ME of having
>perversity
and somehow "projecting it" onto you
how am i doing that when YOU are the filthy scum hating homsexuality >>131554264
>You can stop anytime you want you know. It's as easy as a,b,c.
stop what? you want me to stop loathing your filthy christian bullshit garbage, do you?
you want me to convert to christianity, do you?
>You can have 100% control over your own thoughts, with practise.
Oh! thanks for telling me! i had no idea!
>Learn to meditate in the Buddhist fashion.
should i? how can i become as wise as you, oh Great Christkike Faggot?
>There are some good exercises for the mind too. Lay on a bed with your eyes shut, Imagine yourself falling off a cliff. Before you hit the bottom just stop. BOOM! You now have control.
OH WOW! I'll try that TONIGHT!
you stupid cunt
>Thoughts arise, you see them do not engage with them, they fall away.
you're talking about yourself, you moron
you know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about me, yet - like all christkikes do - you talk at me in a false air of superiority
you disgust me
>If I were you I'd cure myself
of what?
>especially if you think it's disgusting/revolting and those other things you keep saying
FFS, i think YOU and all your DIRTY CHRISTIAN brethren are all foul, revolting, useless, anachronistic, bigoted, hateful pieces of scum
the only thing i want to "cure myself" of is YOUR PRESENCE on 4chan