How Germany could have won the WW2 >Had operation Barbarossa

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>>131493314
Anyways let us take this moment to thank Italy, Spain, Finland, Norway, Romania, Hungary, Croatia for their war efforts against bolshevism

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>>131493314
If Anglo-Americans listened to his warnings and his justification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIRG525l6s

As for Ukranians most I know see him as a liberator. Don't forget Jew NKVD Yagoda, Stalins right hand kike Kaganovich, and Jew-married Molotov famined 6,000,000+ European Christians (mostly Ukes) in the 1930's.

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>>131493430
Jew NKVD head Yagoda.. Not to mention Marx the founder of communism was a kike, Lenin the founder of the soviet union was a kike, and Lenins chosen successor Trotsky was a kike.

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>>131493494
>>131493430
He warned us and we destroyed him for it.

nothing will help you when you have retarded bavarian corporal desigining your tanks and miromanaging battalion movements 2000km away

>>131493400

Fuck you.

>>131493430
Americans did listen. They stayed out of European theater of war and Germany declared War on US not the other way around.
US by standed until it was obvious Hitler will fail

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>>131493547
Germany lost because they had six years during the great depression to rearm and take on the American, Soviet, French and British Empires at the same time.

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>>131493577
Dont be rude Spain bro. Franco saved Spain from communists. Just google ''red terror Spain''

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>>131493594
Americans funded the commies and let half of Europe fall to communism. They ignored his warnings of what Jewry would bring to America.

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>>131493314
Or idk... don't befriend communists and don't give them green light to conqueror and exploit new territories?
Or don't train their officers before the war started?

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>>131493547
Nah Germany came infront of Moscow

>>131493314
>How Germany could have won the WW2
>>Had operation Barbarossa started on time instead of 2 week delay because of Italian fail in balkans
No
>>Had Hitler listen to his Generals
Which ones?
>>Had Japan attacked SU from flank instead of being pussies and just pillaging poor villages and civilians
Irrelevant
>>Not oppress Ukrainians who already hated communists
Would have helped but not decisive
>>start War production UP from start like in the end days
WTF am I reading


Learn some history burger

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>>131493744
Poland was blocking even food shipments in August 1939. Not to mention the rapes and murders. I always find it funny how Poland bitched about self determination for some 400 years and then once it got 95%+ German populated land won by the blood of others the concept of self determination didn't exist.

Hitler didn't even demand all the territories stolen after WWI. He demanded the German port of Danzig and a corridor so he could save his people in the east when the commie waves came for Western Europe. Instead of joining the anti-commie pact and removing Jewish influence from Europe, Poland gave International Jewry the total world war they had wanted for six years.

Sure Poland won after WWII and but Europe lost everything, but for how long I wonder. Quite frankly I don't know why Hitler wasted hundreds of thousands of tonnes of food on the Poles they could have wiped Poland clean in a matter of months by simply cutting off the food.

>>131493744
How about when the (((soviets))) instigated that uprising and then sat on the edge of the city for a week while reprisal executions were carried out? By almost all accounts more Poles starved to death in 1945-1950 than starved to death under Hitler in 1940-1945. If the Russians didn't take their country back in the 1950's or if the Germans didn't hold off the soviets for two years who knows what would have become of the Poles.

>>131493782
>No
Yes Germany was infront of Moscow, look at the map, had they started earlier and prepared more better they would have done it.
>Which ones?
I m talking about him not just pushing forward and listening to Generals that tell him to pull his man back. And letting his Generals be more free and not meddle into everything
>Irrelevant
It is relevant. Stalin got info that Japan won't attack from flank and sent siberian reinforcment to European side. Had Japan commited and went thro Siberia soviet union would be in much bigger problems
>WTF am i reading
What i wanted to say is had war production (Tank production, airplanes etc..)been as seriously taken and on level as in last year of war when Germany was losing it would have helped

>>131493314
>
Easy.
They shouldn't have started the war with russia before destroying the uk and resisting the normandy landing.
With a few more men in the west, the uk and the us would have failed.

But that's easier to know once everything happened.

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>>131493314
I'll add
>Finland would have advanced to the White Sea (taken Murmansk railway)
>Finland would have participated in siege of Leningrad with 100% effort
These alone would not have changed the result, which means they were in hindsight wise decisions from our perspective, but the cumulative effect of some what-ifs might have resulted in us posting in a very different timeline.

>>131493314

None of those things would have mattered.

USSR still would have halted German advance before winter set in.

Hitler's generals might have let him take Moscow but Germany would have been even more fucked for the winter and Soviets would not have given up any more than they gave up to Napoleon.

Japan got their shit handed to them in Mongolia a couple years prior and were too scurrd to go near USSR again.

Ukies were absolutely shit soldiers, pretty much the type of spineless cowards you'd expect to be Nazi collaborators and to pretend bad weather = genocide. Their total allegiance would have amounted to nothing.

There was no historically realistic way for Germany to defeat the USSR.

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>>131493400

>>131494030
>rapes and murders
Stormfront fanfiction should be banned.

>>131494714
With fall of moscow SU would fall very soon. Moscow was major population and economic centre at time, this wouldnt be Napoleon it would be a lose for soviet union.

>Japan got their shit handed to them in Mongolia a couple years prior and were too scurrd to go near USSR again.
Ye that doesn;t mean they shouln't attack ever again. They should have dedicated their forces and try to win or atleast split soviet forces on 2 flanks

>>131493314
They should have invaded the middle east and exterminated them instead.

>weak nations
>already fighting the british
>plenty of oil
>exterminate then use anatolia for your anchluss.

Eventually russia would have to be dealt with, but they could have secured their gains first.

>>131493314
>>Had operation Barbarossa started on time instead of 2 week delay because of Italian fail in balkans

Better yet just invade the Soviet Union immediately before France.

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>>131493400

You're welcome

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Expeditionary_Corps_in_Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Army_in_Russia

Can you link me some of your country effort against the bolsheviks?Oh wait...

>>131493594
US gave tons of supplies to the Soviets and British. APC's, jeeps, weapons, tanks... they were neutral in name only, which is why Hitler declared war. I'm not arguing declaring war on the US was a good idea, I'm just saying the USA supplies kept the SU in the fight

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>>131495077
>he doesn't put the Greek campaign
>he doesn't put the Egypt campaign

>>131493314
Nothing would change.

Better idea

FINISH THE FUCKING BRITS BEFORE DECLARING WAR on the SOVIETS

>>131493314
>>Had Hitler listen to his Generals

It is Hitler's generals that changed the plans right before the campaign during a period of 2 weeks when Hitler was out of the picture due to illness. Hitler wanted to drive through the Ukraine and go for the Don region and the Baku oilfields. The generals wanted a classic war with thrusts towards the big cities Moscow and Leningrad.

If Hitler had listened to his generals in 1940 it would have gone differently. Instead, he searched around for an officer that mostly agreed with Hitler's plans, Manstein, and had him draw up the operational plans.

>>131493314
Having the StG 44 in full production before the war would have made a drastic difference in its outcome.

>>131493314
He absolutely had to make peace with Britain. No Britain, no America, no Lend-Lease to the USSR, no need for extra troops and planes in Western Europe, build more tanks than subs, no bombings

>>131495252

There were no bolsheviks in Greece and Egypt.

>>131493430
>As for Ukranians most I know see him as a liberator.
Nonsense. In the beginning of the war many did accept Germans as liberators. But in the end regretted it and fought them, both as independent entities like UPA and as part of red army.
Most losses of USSR were civillians, Germans were brutal. It was simply a fight for survival.

>>131495388
Then soviets would have been prepared and they would have declared war on Germany.
Hitler declared war on URSS because Stalin was going to do the same on Germany.

>>131493744
This.

>>131493314
By leaving the anglos alone

>>131494605
The German War Machine needed oil.
They should have never invaded Russia.
They should have paid Russia for oil or bought the Russian oil fields with gold.
Better to take Europe and purify it, then develop the atomic bomb.
Russia was too big of a risk circa 1930s.

Nazis hated communists right, so instead of the Warsaw pact they should have liberated eastern Europe from communism while negotiating harder for peace with the West.

For fucks sake don't remind me, i'm trying to invade the soviet union in Hearts of iron 3 and I keep rage quitting. How do i win this?

>>131493314
>How Germany could have won the WW2
Nukes and the willingness to wipe out the biggest cancer on the planet that is the Anglo

>>131495388
>what's the battle of Britain
They tried

>>131493547
Hitler was Austrian, you moronic shitslav

>>131496488
That's right, you have to deal with traitors before the actual enemy. Germany couldn't liberate Eastern Europe from Communism because the West would stab them in the back!

>>131493314
2 maor mistakes . War on Russia while on winter and while another front was open and also bringing the Muricans into this. Granted that was the nips fault but he could have made that clear , do not attack the muricans. pretty simple. Also say what you want but axis got pretty BTFO in Greece, we fought for too long against Italy and Bulgaria at the same time , never behind our borders and even pushing them back in the mountains. Even when the Germans came we lasted for quite some time and took out an elite paratrooper unit in Crete. that is time money and men that could be fighting the commies.. If we had fallen sooner then Hitler would assault Russian in ealry fall, but he didnt want to leave the southern front open. sorry but no links I am phoneposting

>>131493314
By teaming up with Stalin against the rootless cosmopolitans in London and New York.

Fund the British union of fascists and other pro fascist groups around Europe.

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>>131493314
>How Germany could have won the WW2
It's unlikely that it could have won it on the battlefield, because the raw difference in manpower and GDP between the Axis Powers and the Allied Powers was too big.

But by invading and securing Britain first and foremost Germany could have seized or at the very least disabled the British Empire, its fleet, and its industrial heartland. With the British islands in the hands of the Axis it's unlikely that the USA could have done much against the infrastructures of mainland Europe.

Yes, the German High Command knew that the USSR was about to attack and that Germany couldn't win a long term attrition war, but with the British and French colonial empires out of the equation, and the USA now "trapped" rather than protected by two oceans, they could have secured the Middle East and its oilfields more easily, rather than #yoloing Russia to secure hers, thus ensuring a supply of natural resources for the war efforts and a leverage for peace negotiations.

I'm no historian though, so if anyone could point out flaws in this analysis I'd be grateful.

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>>131493400

>>131493400
Your welcome

>>131493314
Or do this:
>Wait 10 years to start the war
>Develop nukes during that time
>Proceed to nuke the UK and Soviet Union

>>131495244

They were also escorting british ships and providing them with intelligence.

>>131493314
my science teacher said there were scientists that were key to the atomic bomb project that fled germany and had the germans managed to keep them and use their knowledge their better missile projection system would have allowed them to nuke america effectivly forcing america and other allies to surrender like japan did.

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>>131493314
None of this matters because USA had the nukes

Germany should have stopped before invading Poland, then help Poland defeat the Russian when the Russians would inevitably invade Poland. Then that would be the end of the war.

Nazi germany would still exist, Hitler would have lived a long life. White nationalism would still be strong...

>>131500600
they couldn't nuke the US, there were no planes with enough fuel capacity to go to there and back. this was actually an issue the soviets had for a long time in the cold war. Target America - Steven J Zaloga is actually a nice book on immediate post ww2 cold war

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Daily reminder that the war was lost from the start

I see most of you burgers had no idea why they attacked in first place. Su was preperring to assault only german oil supplier Romonia no oil no fuel= no plabes and such, then germs land in uk
moskow would had been Stalingrad no 2,
factories already missplaced in ural and sibiria,

>>131494714

>Ukies were absolutely shit soldiers, pretty much the type of spineless cowards you'd expect to be Nazi collaborators and to pretend bad weather = genocide. Their total allegiance would have amounted to nothing.
>American education

I bet you think the French are also "LE SURRENDER MONKEYS LMAO HOW DOES THEIR COUNTRY EVEN EXIST THEY MUST HAVE SURRENDERED ALL THE TIME XXXD"

Read a book instead of basing your understanding on history on nothing but your personal feelings.

>>131501125
Yeah. i read somewhere that it was the main point of dispute between SU and Nazi Germany - access to oil fields in Balcanas and Caucasus: they could not agree on who gets what and Germany wouldn't be able to pay for all the required oil if those lands would go to SU. I might be wrong though.

>>131494605
the war was always about russia. hitler wanted very badly to avoid war with the west

>>131500848
Let the Soviets invade first meme. Why do you have that flag?

The Soviet Invasion was predicated on the basis that Germany would attack first and ONLY if Germany attacked first. They were supposed to attack at the same time but Stalin outmaneuvered Hitler and attacked two weeks later, citing unpreparedness as his excuse. Hitler hoped that if they attacked at the same time then the allies would be deterred from intervening fearing war with both Germany and the USSR. But as I said, Stalin tricked Hitler and Germany was made to look as the sole aggressor and was promptly declared war on by France and England. But even then, the M-R Pact would only come into effect if Hitler could not find a diplomatic solution first which he sincerely thought he could. It's one of the reasons why the invasion was postponed from 28th August to 1st September because he wanted to try diplomacy one more time and avoid having to actually work with Stalin. But that didn't work out either.

>>131493314
>>Had operation Barbarossa started on time instead of 2 week delay because of Italian fail in balkans
Irrelevant

>>Had Hitler listen to his Generals
Do some basic research. Only retards believe this meme. Hitler let his generals do as they please except in rare circumstances like telling them not to fall back during Moscow despite his generals wanting to fall back (falling back would have meant leaving the suburbs for the frozen steppes in the height of Russian winter. Doesn't take a genius to figure out what would happen)

>>Had Japan attacked SU from flank instead of being pussies and just pillaging poor villages and civilians
They tried and got btfo

>>Not oppress Ukrainians who already hated communists and
Only villages that got fucked by occupation troops were ones that hid and aided partisans

>>start War production UP from start like in the end days
What

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>>131493577
Fuck you too nigger.

>>131501322
Pitty that im on phone so dont have may data about it. But you can see facts like assault armies almost 200 divisions half milion paratroopers next to border, elemination off defence lines, brand new airfieds, black see and Dniepr river fleets in combat preperation, even trains prepared for thin rails instead of broad soviet ones, even Hilter wasnt that dump to not see the incoming

>>131493314
The domino effect of the battle of Britain
>>bongs discover radar
>>intercept a large squad of bombers
>>gain air superiority over the north sea
>>deny the possibility of an invasion
>>cut the blockage in the atlantic destroying the german wolf packs
The UK was about to surrender

>>131501574
All of this. This normie meme that Hitler never listened to his generals is actually retarded. Many of Hitler's decisions had in fact worked out positively for the progress of the war such as the decision to launch the Western front when he did, or as you said to not fall back from Moscow and dig in. Most people just cite Stalingrad as the biggest example of Hitler not listening but people fail to realize that Hitler could only work with the intelligence given to him from the Abwehr, who were intentionally giving him false information from the top down (Canaris was a traitor) Hell, one of the reasons Hitler felt so confident in the USSR was that the Abwehr informed him that there were only 50 or divisions in the entire USSR. They found that number just in the Bialystok region right on the German-Soviet border! It's why many of the decisions made by Hitler would have been right, if the information he was given was correct but they weren't, they were lies. And as such, Hitler made bad decisions based on deceitful information

>>131493314
>How Germany could have won the WW2

coulnd't
/thread

>>131502134
Could
1 Finish the siege of Moscow capitalize the victories in Odessa and Crimea
2 Capture the french fleet
3 Focus on air superiority over the uk
4 Don't trust the italains to hold the mediterranean
5 Use elastic defence to blitzkrieg

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>>131502030
Yeah, Nazies shouldn't have attaked SU at that time and concentrated on UK instead, they might have ended war in Europe more quickly (before brits invented radar tech) and secured their western borders from USA...
On the other hand, it would have given SU more time to prepare and make eastern push even less viable for Nazies (or they could actually find mutually beneficial sollution and alter their ideological game a bit to become more compatible).
All these ifs and buts are irrelevant mental gymnastics, though. Nazies are dead, Soviets are dead, only Israel and USA are relevant now, what a sad state for white men.

>How Germany could have won the WW2

That subject has been done to death, but they did not win WWII and they never will due to being cucked and Merkelized. They are as dead as the South which has been sold off and niggerized.

>>131493314
I have a better idea.. hold off on Barbassa till you have secured england... Get Russians to roll over slav nations depleting them. Tell Japan to concentrate on China/Korea.. north asia. Keep americans out of war.. crush england.. maybe call on Russians to help. Then turn attention onto US with joint German/Russian/Jap alliance.

>>131495077
Lol the US is the only reason the USSR didnt absolutely steamroll the rest of Europe after WW2. Your welcome.

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>>131493766
>send 1176 tanks to battle
>lose 1250

>>131502925
The timing of Barbarossa was ideal because Russia did not have the capacity to pose an actual threat to German conquests in Europe at the time. Stalin initially viewed Nazi Germany as a friend and the Red Army was not made aware of an impending German invasion. Often, Stalin dismissed Barbarossa as a British conspiracy. Most armies along the border did not know the Soviet Union was in a state of war until German units were literally overunning their positions. Furthermore, the Red Army was undergoing a number of reorganizations and lacked proper communications infrastructure. When the Red Army was ordered to counterattack in the opening phases, it often did not know where and ended up being ambushed by the Wehrmacht. With Britain, Operation Seelowe was already postponed 3 times before being postponed indefinitely. If the Luftwaffe couldn't gain air superiority over Britain, any land invasion would be impossible. Paratrooper landings were decisive in the invasions of Norway and the Low Countries. If Germany could not neutralize Britain's ground fortifications in the manner it had in Belgium and the Netherlands, any progress inland would be quickly halted.

>>131493314
Had hitler let his army push into dunkirk instead of just letting his air force do an ineffectual job

Hitler was genious.However he was stubborn.
He was land hungry.He invaded too quickly.In fact why dod he invade anyone? Why didn't he just take the land that belonged to Germany before ww1 and stop there?
Why did he need France?
He could have just made Germany a super power and establish dominance over other nations.He already had allies in other countries so that is a plus as well.

National socialism is a great ideology.Insted of imposing it he could have invited people to it.Many people would like it, therefore it could have been established in every nation of atleast Europe.If that were the case there would be peace and everyone wouls be satisfied.

>>131506674
tfw your to smart to win ww2

>>131506674
my nigga the whole point of National Socialism was to conquer, subjugate, and eradicate the peoples of eastern Europe. If Poland wasn't willing to concede Danzig, it wasn't willing to concede its sovereignty. Read Mein Kampf. Hitler needed France because it declared war on him.

>>131493314
I've heard it would have been delayed anyway due to shit weather. Anyway Stalin was being supplied an endless amount of tanks from the good ol' US of A so the extra month would not have made a difference. Hitler still would have lost unfortunately.

>>131507033
>eradicate the peoples of eastern Europe
Nope Slavs would be used for slave labour

If he gave Germany time to become a superpower, he could have indirectly control the world.Just like the USA is doing today.Germany could have been the world police.If he first finished producing nuclear weapons and then eveeything else...

>>131493314
Nobody can win against Russia. Germany tried to attack, and now their women take nigger dick. This should serve as a warning to everyone.