How bad does this hurt Monsanto?

>>131484833
Are people in california really so stupid that they try to ingest weed killer?

>>131485016
Weedkiller goes on gardens, gardens grows plants, humans eats plants

>>131485016
You dumb nigger

>>131485118
Nah, dude. Round-up is what you use to kill the weeds growing between the cracks in your driveway. Only an idiot would spray it in the same place as his tomato plants. Gotta pull those weeds up by hand.

>>131485118
If only there was something we did to plants between taking them out of the ground and eating them. Hmm...

>>131485231
Are... Are you serious?

>>131485231
I love the sarcasm. It is actually fucked what they do to us.

>>131485231
Roundup has Glyphosate
https://monsanto.com/company/media/glyphosate-herbicide/

>>131485231
What about the drinking water and other local water sources and other ecosystems it can infect? Is there a warning about cancer causes on it? Hmm

>>131485319
Well yes washing them.. which works "all" the time *eyeroll*

(((monsanto)))
(((glyphosate)))
(((Round-up Ready)))

>>131484833
not at all because genuinely everything causes cancer in california.

If i go to starbucks and order a coffee there's a sign posted near the front that says coffee contains aklahakyioedez that cause cancer.

>>131485482
Well, to be completely honest I don't even have a lawn, so I don't know anythin' about that environmental stuff.
>>131485378
Yes. I'm serious. You are retarded if you spray poison on your food. Buy organic, bro.

>>131484833
How harmful is actually is glyphosate? California has a way of mixing politics with science.

>>131485608
Yeah true guys, everything today causes cancer. Enjoy your life and die

>>131485608
yeah there by laws or whatever you burgers call state laws have some weird thing where if a product contains a cancer causing agent they have to label it. i remember cause when i ran a decent pub in brisbane and got misquete charcoals and hickory hickory chips from my supplier they had big labels that said this contains carcinogens that cause cancer

>>131485899
*cause said products came from cali

>>131484833
Of all the dipshit-stupid things cali does, they at least have the balls to require notifying consumers of any positions that may exist in what they buy.

Monstanto ruined wheat and corn around the globe. They should have been stopped decades ago. Instead of using their billions and expertise to engineer, say, plants that can grow in low-light, low-humidity conditions one might encounter underground instead of introducing completely new species of plant into the ecosystem, I would have a very different opinion of them.

If we all find ourselves starving, it is their fault.

>>131486021
*poisions.

>>131485482
>drinking (((tap))) water
>ever

>>131486049
Give it one more try, buddy.

>>131485662
It's not unless you ingest it directly or breath or absorb it. It literally degrades into inert compounds in the soil within 24 hours- here's the real problem with glyphosate: emerging weed resistance and the disappearance of pollinators because many of the agricultural "weeds" that have been eradicated by roundupready fields were foraging or pupae plants for butterflies, bees, you get the idea. I haven't seen more than a single Monarch in years, and when I was a kid they were everywhere. It's because milkweed is all but wiped out. The product applications have improved a ton I. The last few years though to prevent drift and waste- field edges are coming back with native plants. Roundup destroys plants indiscriminately. And it doesn't cause cancer. Just don't be a fucktard around it.

>>131486109
I feel like we should just spell it out for him :(

>>131484833
Just use white vinegar. It does the same thing.

>>131486109
*poisons.

Since becoming addicted to /pol/, the only way I can deal with life is rum.

I hate everything now.

>>131486251
Gold star. Love you, buddy.

>>131484833

If Monsanto is angered by any choice that your state or country has made then you instantly know with 100% accuracy that they've made the right call.

>>131484833

Glyphosate has lower toxicity than table salt. It's not mutatgenic at all, it can only cause cancer in the same way that basically any chemical can cause cancer, by causing tissue damage when at extremely excessive concentration.

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Prop 65 in California made it so that nearly fucking EVERYWHERE has to put up a sign that says you can get cancer. I'm not joking. Daiso, McDonalds, Target, the gas stations, everywhere has a sign stated by Prop 65 that you may get cancer from their products.

This is literally just another useless sign.

>>131485582
This.

Montasano engineers their seeds to be resistant to round up so they can dust without scrutiny

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>>131484833
>(((monsanto))) vows fight
oy veyyy

>>131485016
Yes.
Pelosi and Waters keep getting elected, and Jerry Brown got back into office after it was proven that even a literally retarded Austrian weightlifter could do a better job than him.

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>>131486208
Wow. All the science and innovation that went into modern agriculture and we fucking missed this simple DIY tip. To think, it was right in front of us all along
>brb, gonna go spray my 10,000 acres of corn and beans with vinegar
You fucking retard

>>131486460
This guy gets it

>>131484833
>shit that kills organisms on contact

yeah it probably gives you cancer

>>131486565
Actually it's probably just as cost effective if not more so

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>>13148594
Your a fancy flag aren't ya?

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>>131484833

Not at all?

I fucking hate monsanto but people know this shit is bad for you.

I doubt it will affect sales

>>131486740
>Your a fancy flag aren't ya?
you know flag collection is pointless now that anyone can simply select any flag?

>>131485016
>>131485118
>>131485185
>>131485185
>>131485231
who the fuck is stupid enough to spray their edible plants with weed killer? the plants would die in the first place, it seems impossible to ingest without being a blatant retard. i have grown tomatoes every summer in a small plot with potting soil, which i have never sprayed with weed killer because im not an imbecile

>>131487031

The whole point is that the crops are genetically engineered to not die to glyphosate

>>131484833
(((Monsanto)))

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>>131486981
>hurrrrrr Durrr
oh really

>>131487031
Some people do, it is why roundup exists.
Just because you do not do it does not mean other do not.

>>131485118
About 10 cancer deaths in the US are attributed to the use of herbicides/pesticides.

It's a fucking non-issue. The only way to get cancer from glyphosphate is by putting it on your vegetable patch at home, and not washing your vegetables/hands properly before eating.

The reason California is listing it is to damage a market leader. My guess is that they have California-based agriculture companies lined up with glyphosphate-free herbicides to swipe the entire market away from Monsanto.

>>131487165
roundup kills plants. if you spray it on your edible plants to kill the weeds around it, everything dies and you end up with nothing. i dont understand how its possible to ingest it without purposefully trying to

>>131486738
>Actually it's probably just as cost effective if not more so
Go make yourself a millionaire, because you have a cost-saving secret for a multi-billion dollar industry.

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>>131487194
Source?

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>>131484833
>he doesn't exclusively buy organic foods

Literally everything is listed as causing cancer in California isn't it? I get art supplies manufactured there from time to time and there's a huge label saying "holy shit bro this is probably going to give you cancer" on shit like acrylic mediums.

>>131487105
They actually absorb it (as well as various pesticides, can't recall atm). So, there really isn't a "resistance" to the chemical in the sense of a "raincoat", more like a sponge - it just gets trapped in there and doesn't do anything to the plant.

When you eat the fruit, you are also ingesting those chemicals along with it.

>>131486738
Not when you add up the $100k in seed you just nuked spraying it with literal acid it's not

>>131484833
Just a pinch, unfortunately. We're talking about Monsanto.

>>131487374
Go nuts, poindexter. By the time you're done you'll be an expert on boring ass roundup. It's only 300 pages of meta analysis and lit reviews.

https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-09/documents/glyphosate_issue_paper_evaluation_of_carcincogenic_potential.pdf

>>131487453

>They actually absorb it (as well as various pesticides, can't recall atm). So, there really isn't a "resistance" to the chemical in the sense of a "raincoat", more like a sponge - it just gets trapped in there and doesn't do anything to the plant.

Yeah no shit, that's what transgenic resistance genes do. They make enzymes to neutralize antibiotics

>When you eat the fruit, you are also ingesting those chemicals along with it.

And then nothing happens to you

>>131487453
Fucking bullshit. You're correct on GMO roundupready mechanism but wrong- no glyphosate exists past the initial application and none in the fruit/vegetable.

>>131487432
/k/ommando here stuck behind enemy lines in the People's Republic. Yeah, that prop 65 shit is literally every where. They have no actually scientists looking at things, it is 100 percent political.

>>131487432
When I built residential homes so many different things we installed said "known to cause cancer in the state of california"

Always thought that was weird, like preventing a tunor from getting its own little tumor

>>131487295
Near plants* To kill bad ones.
>>131487194
Yeah well as your stats prove people do it.I am not condoning the usage it is stupid but hey "humans"

>>131487378
Organic crops are worse for the environment, and less nutritious, than conventional GMO+pesticide protected crops.

>>131484833
i doubt it considering that tons of crops come from the state.

>(((Monsanto)))
You mean (((Bayer)))? Remember that just 75 years ago these guys used to make Zyklon B for the camps. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

>>131484833
None.
Zero.
Zilch.
Explain to me how it could. I personally dislike them, but I can easily explain how it will never hurt them. Too big to fail, or the 1% is the basic argument.
How'd you first few weeks here go? It's pretty easy to Google everything you asked. Please don't shit the shit pile up, further, without caring to research your own topic.

>>131486460
>>131486596
Monsato shills in this thread

Monsanto is crazy powerful with their propganda and lobbying. Their near stranglehold on the seed industry allows them to threaten whole countries agriculture industries if they disobey. They are doing it hard to india right now

>>131488548
Monsanto isn't even in the top 3 largest agricultural corporations. They are big, but there are plenty of other companies eager to fill the void.

>>131484833
>a poison used to kill shit is dangerous to humans
who the fuck would have thought!

your not supposed to have any contact with it anyway. And no glycophosphates remain on the food after harvesting, so the dangerous is only to workers improperly handeling it.

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>>131485440
>cancer epidemic

In 1971, when President Richard M. Nixon initiated the War on Cancer, the average person had a 1 in 10 risk of developing cancer in his or her lifetime. Today, that's changed – for the worse. The risk as of 2005 is 1 in 2.

this is the major cause of rapid decline in western populations


cancer is now as common as the flu, that is intentional. the existing cures for cancer are intentionally suppressed.

the great culling/poisoning orchestrated by CIA, CFR, etc has led to dramatic population declines. the genocide machine is being refueled by new immigrants to pack into the poison chambers

>>131489068

Copywriting genes is kinda shitty practice, but it's the business practice you should be criticizing, not the science, which is sound.

>>131489402

Or patenting, rather

>>131488095
>worse for the environment, and less nutritious
that's kinda the point
too many amerifats already

>>131487031
>>131485231
creepy numbers

roundup as sold in stores is a tiny, tiny percentage of roundup as used in the US. the vast majority is bulk sprayed on food crops that get sold in every grocery store, to every restaurant , etc.

incidentally, this includes most "organic" crops.

Corn and other major cereal crops have been genetically modified by Monsanto subsidiaries towards two ends

1) no going to seed - all seed is produced by first gen "mother" plants, gets sold to farmers, doesn't create seed after that - farmers must buy next year's seed from a Monsanto subsidiary Distributor.

2) crops are resistant to roundup weed killer.

Holy shit this thread.

I love it when people who have obviously never been on a farm in their life tries to give advice about it.

>brb, telling my dad we are using vinegar next year.

>>131485662

Not very harmful at all. It biodegrades rather quickly.

The things in RoundUp and its imitators that are harmful are the surfactants - the detergent-like chemicals that help the glyphosate to stick to vegetation.

That's why there's different versions of RoundUp for different spraying situations. E.g. there's one for spraying alongside creeks, etc. that has surfactants that don't cause problems in water.

I grew up on a farm.

>>131489399
What is the actual cause of cancer here? What I mean is: if you had all the power to stop it, what would you do?

>>131489399

The rise in cancer diagnosis is due to vastly superior means by which to diagnose cancer. Previously you just died of "natural causes"

>>131485231
>>131485016
You sub room temp IQ nigger don't realize that farmers use this to harvest wheat.

>>131484833
(((Monsanto)))

>>131488427
They haven't fallen nazbro. They've just switched (((sides))).

CALIFORNIA NO!!!!


monsanto is based as fuck. it's poisoning all the little spics that do the farming.

>>131490134
You seem to think commercial farmers go and pick up their supplies at the Wal-mart.

>>131489997
>>131490092
the cause of the epidemic which will cull the majority of the population is intertwined with industrial toxins, pollutions, and modern western lifestyle promoted by corporations, politicians and social engineers.

it took 100 years for the authorities to acknowledge that smoking is harmful to health

it will take 1000 years for the authorities to allow minimally-invasive, effective, curative treatments with great safety profile

the epidemic is silenced. the cures are suppressed. they want you to not exist.


it is 1 in 2 people. meaning 50% of the population
http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/risk/lifetime-risk
http://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/study-says-nearly-1-in-2-canadians-to-develop-cancer-in-their-lifetime-1.3468455
http://www.cancer.ca/en/cancer-information/cancer-101/canadian-cancer-statistics-publication/?region=bc
Half of Kurdistan population could face risk of cancer in 3 years
half of the Iraqi population will face the risk of cancer in 2020,” he added.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/kurdistan/230620173

>>131485118

Shut the fuck up, AnonyFlag, your coward opinion is irrelevant.

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>>131486392

On the flip side, California is the national leader in passing stupid shit.

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Wake the fuck up. You are talking to a meme flag. Look at that chart. It has no backing. It's a fucking fallacy. Most likely made in word or paint.
I'd love to drill a 3/4 inch hole in the side of your heard, to skull fuck the stupid out of you.

>>131490229
Do you have any experience with horticulture? Wheat farmers use this to harvest their crops at the same time.

>>131487031

actually it is used to speed up natural process of withering of wheat before crop is ready to harvest

nevertheless roundup is pretty safe, it is rapidly decomposed by bacteria in few days so there is no trace of it on your dish

>>131484833
Holy shit, are they still falling for the MUH MONSANTO IS BAD meme?

Fine, let them ruin their own economy.

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>>131489997
Jesus fuck.
I meant you to hear this, (>>131490475)
you failed abortion.
>I don't hold myself higher. I couldn't link a simple post.

>>131484833
Probably not to bad I mean California lists CLAY as cancer causing!

>>131490499
I didn't mean they don't use it, I'm sorry I was unclear. The label isn't going to affect them is my point. They're not going to pick up a bottle of round-up at the home depot, say "OH SHIT THIS CAUSES CANCER? WELL FUCK ME!" and stop using it.

>>131485016
oh wow

>>131485608
This, In California clay causes cancer

>>131486251

Just remeber that yourr here forever. Im almost 40. Wofe kid etc. Still stop by as my last ct before for about an hour.

Love you guys. Not you Mike. Fuck you.

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>>131490953
Give him a break. He's obviously never lived there.
>>131485016
[/ palm thru face \] I'm going to explain it simply.
If you go anywhere in California, signs tell you, you will get cancer.
Fast food
Restaurant
Gas station
Hardware store
Grocery store
Electronics store
Computer store
Cell phone store
Battery store
Gas station

Basically, anywhere you go, in California, you get that advisement. WARNING THIS WILL CAUSE cancer. CAREFUL CAREFUL CANCER.
No fixes, no advice, just a generic disclaimer posted everywhere. WARNING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS CANCER. I wish I was kidding, the actual wording is different... If you ever move there, you'd understand.

>>131491656
That sucks. All I have to worry about is getting shot.

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>>131491755
You'll never get out of here alive, anon. One thing that's assured by living, we're all going to die. I live in one of the highest county's for suicide. I haven't killed myself, yet. Keep your head up. I have better odds of suicide than winning the lottery.
I'm not complaining, just singing truth. It's your focus that determines your path.

>>131492259
I plan on drinking myself to death, like my father and my grandfather.

>>131492259
*Counties for suicide*
>muh bad
Nationally. Not just my state.

>>131490134
No one uses glyphosate in my area for wheat. 2,4-D is common though. Maybe in other areas I guess.

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>>131492329
Too long and painful. Think Nicolas cage in "leaving Las Vegas"? I'm sure I have the title wrong... idrgaf.
Try, for one week to drink a suitcase full of liquor. You'll find out it's painful. Do it for a month and it's harder than heroin [4 me] to quit. When you shit blood, and still drink liquor, knowing it's the cause of you shitting blood, we can compare notes.
My resume of questionable substances is long. Alcohol is the worst. I've spilt more drugs, than most people have done.
Alcohol is the worst. I don't think you can name one worse.
Cancer kills you quicker, honestly. Alcoholism is closer to Alzheimer's.

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>>131485319

How do you wash the inside of a plant? When it absorbs glyphosate contaminted water

>>131486497
That's kind of the point, anon...

Fuck Monsanto, anyone who works for them deserves death, their families too as punishment for helping spread such damaging evil in the world. Would not cry a single tear if terrorist blew up those Monsanto devils, in fact would open a bottle of Champagne and toast it.

>>131486021
the main problem is that their modified inbreed seeds mix and eliminate domestic strains. under normal conditions these mixed plants show various kinds of deformities.

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>>131493627
They've had about ten (?) actual lawsuits about it. A few hundred court cases settled out of court for publicity. They've literally patented a seed. If you use it without payment [annually, even if you bought stock last year.] You will be litigated into the ground.
Look into the board of directors. Look into donations to your elected officials. I can point you to the light, but I'm not worthy to lead you.

>>131494072
That doesn't have anything to do with the mechanism of action, but I'd be more inclined to believe the huge corporation with the team of lawyers watching their every move over Tom Bumpkin who's trying to pull a fast one stealing what is functionally intellectual property

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>>131489555

OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD NEVER

>>131489399
>The risk as of 2005 is 1 in 2.
Bullshit.

>people are idiots
of course
>people are idiots so that means monsanto is good
That's where you're wrong kiddo!

>was spraying glysophate for 2 weeks this month
I better be able to sue

>>131484833
>people grow their own vegetables for health reasons
>end up killing themselves

>>131487432
>Literally everything is listed as causing cancer in California isn't it?
Only a single chemical is listed as likely not carcinogenic.

The scale is a 5 point system.

1 Not carcinogenic.
2 Likely not carcinogenic.
3 Maybe carcinogenic.
4 Likely carcinogenic.
5 Carcinogenic.

95% of all chemicals used by humans are 3 or 4.

None of this really matters, they are all getting replaced in a decade with semiopesticides anyway.

t. farm-fag

also any dumb cunt complaining about health affects of glyphosate should drink a litre of it straight from the bottle.

California confirmed to sink into the ocean by 2018
You don't fight Monsanto and win.

wtf i love california now
(too bad california barely grows any glyphosate-using crops though)

>>131495006

I bet they said the same about asbestos

>any dumb cunt complaining about the health effects of asbestos should roll around in it and breathe deeply

>>131495006
>semiopesticides
literally what
elaborate, my friend

>>131495037

Except grapes, which is made into wine and sold worldwide. No biggie.

>>131484833

Fuck (((Monsanto))).

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>>131494377
You're high off, petrol anon.
>that doesn't have anything to do with the mechanism of action.
Vauge and unspecified response.

Fuck. Nevermind. I know who I'm talking to. Have a good morning, emu.

>>131494488
>Bullshit.
1 in 3 will get some form of cancer at some time in their life.

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>>131484833

Wonder if this makes American food taste like shit

>any tried Argentinian foods? Heard its pretty fucking baller

>>131495284
no you fucking dipstick what I'm saying is of course its harmful if you take a lot of it, thats how all pesticides work, dont do shit in low concentrations but are harmful through aggregation, even organic farmers use pyrethrum, have you tried drinking that?

>>131495403
Pesticides but not really, uses peptide chains to "dissuade" pests from going near a crop. Shit breaks down into amino acids so you can have amino acids on top of your amino acids for brekky in the morning.

>>131496448
Actually childhood rates are rising a lot faster than that.

For example, rates have gone up 60 percent in the UK in just 16 years. Similar statistics are present in Germany.

This is perhaps the most striking evidence that cancer rates are actually rising due to environmental factors and not just increased life expectancy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/03/modern-life-is-killing-our-children-cancer-rate-in-young-people/