Why do Conservashits vote against their own healthcare interests?

>>131482398
I don't want those people to be slaves to the government

>>131482485

They don't want to be slaves to mega corporations tho either anon

At least theoretically the government represents the common people interest

>implement socialized healthcare
>create dependents that need socialized healthcare to live
>people realize this is bad and move to reverse it
>But, Oh No! What about those dependents?!
THEY CAN LITERALLY DIE FOR ALL I CARE ITS THE SAME SHIT WITH WELFARE

FUCK OFF AND KYS COMMIES

>>131483022
> unironically votes against his own economic interests

DEATH to the WELFARE state!!!! it's not fair and it makes people stupid and lazy. sincerely, a latino that voted for Trump

>>131483365
>getting taxed %110 of your income to support morbidly obese chain smokers is in your economic interests

>>131483365
Unironicly it only helps those with less than 40-50k, most whites make much for than that per household.

>>131483462
> unironically voting against your racial and economic interests

The mental gymnastics is strong in this one

Healthcare is not a right!
>TAXATION IS THEFT

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>>131482398
Why does op suck warty nigger cock for fun, when he could be fishing, or doing something constructive?

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>being a sociopath is a bad thing

latino isn't a race, you genius. it means your family comes from a spanish speaking background. i'm a white latino. and i hate mexicans

So many people who treat politics like a team sport getting cucked by capitalists because it's a "right-wing" thing to do LMFAO
kill yourselves you fucking mongs

>>131484162

Lmao sure spic boy

Any non whites that vote republican are spineless cucks who do it out of white appeasement

>>131484321
Kys yourself commie

>>131484516

Kys bootlicking corporate cuck

>>131483365
My job provided health care. The state paying for my health care wouldn't suddenly make my company pay me more, it would just make my taxes go up.

Honestly if your job didn't provide health care before Obamacare was passed you were an abject loser at life and should have killed yourself.

>was paying $100/month in premiums with no deductible before Obamacare
>now paying $300/month with a 3500 deductible for the same care
>just learned a couple weeks ago that my premium is going up to $450 (thanks Carefirst, fucking assholes)
PLEASE TRUMP, TAKE AWAY MY SHITTY INSURANCE, BECAUSE IT IS LITERALLY NOT WORTH HAVING

>>131484330
Are you a shill or are you fucking stupid ?

>>131482398
Why is it that entitlement reform always = murder to libshits? Come out of your fucking basement and contribute to society.

>>131483365
Voting for Democrats is against my racial and economic interests.

Nobody needs healthcare

>>131482671
Megacorporations reliably aim for more money.
Governments aim for more power, plus there's nobody to tell the government to reel in the totalitarianism until it's far too late. I'll take paying asshole corps over corrupt goverment any day.

You burgers do need some healthcare changes, though. NOT more socialization, but simple some limits on the ridiculous markups hospitals impose on people to force them to get insurance.

>>131483695
Why would a spic who's already here and probably has a job vote to bring more competition in and more welfare they'll eventually need to pay for through taxes?
Once an immigrant actually integrates, pays taxes, is in the system etc., there's no reason for them to vote left unless they're a progressive virtue signaller.

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>>131482398
>matt mountain
>quoting a professional wrestler

>social liberals and religiousfags have taken over /pol/

>>131482398
Jesus used god magic to purge illness and replicate food for free, I don't think normal people can do that. Jesus does not force people to be charitable, he doesn't collect tithes.

>>131482398
I haven't had health insurance since 2014. I don't give a fuck about and have never payed the money Obama's irs charged me for not having insurance. I'm glad it's gone and trump got rid of that autistic fine. I also hope the dependent faggots who "will die" without healthcare gibs actually perish.

>>131485252

>Megacorporations reliably aim for more money.

Exactly. They'd rather milk you dry for shekels than acually do shit.

>I'll take paying asshole corps over corrupt goverment any day.

I'll take corrupt government, thanks. At least government can have SOME interest for preserving their cannon fodder.

>Quoting Occupy Democrats for any reason other then to mock them

See here's the first sign of being below average in intellect. Even moderately intelligent Democrats don't fall for that shit.

>>131485642
Better than larpcuck "muh white ethnostate" faggots

>>131485692
Jesus was not a libertarian. And neither were historical Christian polities.

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>>131482398
They are sociopaths who want to see poor people die.
And poor people who are not using healthcare services at the time, but are too stupid to realize they might in the future.

>>131486481
The Jews built a wall. Do they want to become hitler?

Ever notice how religion only matters to a proglodyte when they can use it to manipulate their opponent to do what they want?

>>131486481
I remember that, god OD is fucking retarded.

>>131482398
>Be poorfag

Under Obummer:
>Can't afford "affordable" healthcare
>State denies medicaid to students
>Can't file taxes because I get fined more money I don't have

Under Trump:
>Still can't afford healthcare
>State still denies medicaid
>CAN file a tax return and get some of my hard earned dosh back

Hmmm, really bargles my marbles.

>25 million lost insurance due to Obamacare
>22 million lose it due to the repeal
Looks like a net 3 million insured thanks to the repubs

>>131484839
My job stopped providing health care BECAUSE Obamacare passed.

>>131487054
Lying shill

>>131486722
its not r4al idiot

...right?

>>131482398
>Taking health insurance away from 24m
lmao, that's not what's happening. They removed the fine for not having health insurance, millions of people are choosing to not get health insurance since they're flat broke and no program helps whites.

>>131487490
The more benefits the State gives out to young women also makes them less dependent on their fathers and husbands, Anon., and that weakens families.

>>131482398
My mom feeds that cats on the back porch. Suddenly there's cat shot everywhere. Also we can no longer afford food for the pet dog and all the neighborhood strays. So I tell her to stop feeding the goddamn cats
"You're a monster! You want those cats to starve!"
>no greentext

>>131487490
>>131487579
And it also encourages women more thoroughly into public life when they should be considerably more private than men.

>>131487278
I work for a small business. I went from paying nothing to $40 per month to straight up paying for my own health care. The company couldn't afford to pay for everyone to have insurance because we already run on a pretty tight budget as is. I still remember the "accountant" (boss' wife) celebrating how "we're gonna save so much money". Fucking cunt. At least the old man had the decency to apologize for the inconvenience.

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>>131482398
>what did they mean by this?

>>131483644
>implying you aren't taxed for roads, schools, your city etc. that morbidly obese chain smokers also use.

That's what taxes do, they pay for things for other people to use

>>131487490

>No program helps whites

Are you really saying no health insurance is available for white people?

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Would Jesus threaten people with jail time if they didn't give their money to the Romans?

>>131493574
AND I SAYETH UNTO YOU

GIVE ALL YOUR GOLD TO THE ROMANS FOR THEY SHALL REDISTRIBUTE IT TO YOU AS THEY SEE FIT

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Why do socialists vote against their interests? Why do they want people to die?

>>131482398
Is it taking away something if the government is forcing them to buy it?
It's just telling them that they aren't forced to buy it anymore How is that taking it away?

>>131493677
>live in social democrat paradise of denmark
>prostate itches
>die
>happiest country in the world because nobody has an irritated prostate

>>131482398
Is Matt Mountain a porn star?

>>131490716
Obama wanted to give big payouts to donors through bullshit healthcare bill

>>131493426
Health care costs exponentially increase due to obesity
Also loaded question

>>131486248
Until you run out of money and start sending people to the gulag

>>131493227

If the healthcare is fixed obese chain smokers don't get to use them for very long.

I have yet to meet one person about to lose their health insurance who unironically deserved to live.

>>131482398
Obamacare steals money from working Americans who need it for other reasons. Healthcare is not a right, and neither is operating a inexpensive and inefficient health care system.

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>>131482398
>Matt Mountain quote
>look him up
>has no relation to theology, sociology, politics, or healthcare
>This picture

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>>131482398
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>>131495317
>single mom
This is needs to stop now

>>131495317
Single mothers are THE cancer. Always crying for gibsmedats and bullying other people and especially other children.

>>131495483
Then castrate Paul Ryan.

>>131495317
Wow it's like some jobs are more important and require more skills to perform in the real world!
Where's the equality in that?!?!?

>>131493677
someone explain how this doesnt eternally BTFO the idea of socialized healthcare?

Easy just cut funds for nonwhites

>>131482398
You have no right to "healthcare" if others must chip in (by force) for you fucking parasite

Stop buying 2000$ Macbooks, 300$ Jordans, 200$ Dr.Dre's headphones, 20$ avocado spread and shit like that and you'll afford your own insurance and get covered as YOU need

>>131495317
>Supposed to have sympathy for single mothers.
You do know the average pol poster hates singlemothers with a passion right? They were the stacy that rejected the average anon for chad and then got pumped and dumped with 2 kids and now they vote for tax increases on anon aswell.

Also singlemothers are litterally criminal factories.

>>131495853
If the US pays double what they do and only gets a few more percentage points better survival than Canada, plus ten years or more of hospital denbt for the patient personally dig themselves out of even if (((insured))), maybe privatized healthcare is eternally BTFO as a waste of money on par with $1500 toilet seats.

>>131482398
Free Healthcare is a lie, dosent work in pratice, suck up resources and create just more dependence from the people for the government (someone always pay the bill, and the government is funded trough taxe so in the end the people pay for their own healthcare but now much more expansive and they cant choose, those who dosent want dont have a say on this and the people who already pay now must pay even more, and everyone is a bit more poor).

>>131486248
Big corrupt corporations dosent exist in the free market those are created by, you may not know but is the corrupt government. And the more big the government is the more corrupt it is and the big the corporations are, until the point theres no public and private (you know like fascism or socialism).

>>131494738
If you have a free enough market to have successful companies you can tax JUST enough to spread wealth around comfortably to maintain incentive across all classes, you can have a pretty strong country going. Close the borders, too. Fuck shitskins.

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>>131482398
What program do you use to create these shitty pics OP. It's obviously you since once again
>conservashits
I'll give you points at least for a new pic and text. Though I still don't understand what you're trying to get out of this. And no, you will never 'enlighten' anyone here. So seriously, how much do you get paid to shill here.
Since you used a new pic but still only posted once (as usual), I made a pic in your honor

>>131486248
no, it can't.

>>131483022
>inflate medical costs 2 to 3 times what they should be through crony capitalism
>steal everyone's money through government corruption
>restrict welfare so everyone you stole money from can not obtain medical care on the grounds it costs too much (since you inflated it)

Dont be surprised if you find yourself in a guillotine one day. You can make people poor if you ensure they are still comfortable, you can ignore their comfort if you dont steal their prosperity, but once you take their comfort and their prosperity you are getting your head chopped off.

>>131485252
>limits on the ridiculous markups hospitals impose on people to force them to get insurance.
The insurance companies force them to do this as part of their payout bargaining.

The problem with US health care is that all the prices on everything are heavily inflated, because its common practice for insurance to haggle the price down. This spirals ever upward.

What we need is the kind of collective bargaining ability single payer gives, either through single payer or some other method.

>>131497790
>If you don't give them your money they will kill you

Cuck mentality. Don't be surprised if you find yourself having to give away all you have once they discover how easily it is to extort you.

>>131482398
Why do leftwing faggots want to use the government to take everyone else's money?

>>131496286
>hi I'm an ancap and I don't understand how scale economies work

socializsm isn't productive
>free healthcare, but wait years to get it because of scarcity
it's a big scam
free market healthcare is the most productive we to organize the delivery of healthcare.
charity and volunteerism can help people who can't afford it.

>>131483462
Wow, are you that desperate to belong to a social group? I suppose this is a testament to both spic intelligence and Trump voter intelligence

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>>131482398
>Having my money being stolen in order to pay for expensive, bloated, inefficient government healthcare for Shaniqua and her 6 children by 7 baby dads and Jose the border hopping tamale salesman
>My best interest

>>131484084
>Idolizing a guy who imagines murdering people because he's edgy

>>131485108
Southerners don't matter in the long run

>>131487054
you're clearly 15 years old, have never had a job, and on summer break

>>131487579
Female independence is weakness? Are you that insecure holy shit...

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>>131482398
So you're saying evil exists

>>131498702
Money doesn't exist, its a control mechanism to rob people.

>>131495768
Some jobs sure, but not politician.

Politicians should be the lowest paid people, this would ensure only people who cared about their country and not themselves would be interested.

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>>131482398
I have health insurance through my company because I actually work for a living. Libcucks and lazy niggers btfo

>>131501770
>wage slave detected

>>131501631
Really made me think

>>131501770
Thats part of the problem.

Do you realize how much your wages are cut because of health insurance? Health insurance you need because medical prices are so inflated because everyone has health insurance?

Its a circular problem. What we need is sweeping changes to fix everything, you cant just tweak one thing like obama/trumpcare wants to do and expect it to work out ok.

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>>131482398
What a presumptive fucking statement.
I support President Trump, and I'm not Christian.

Notice how the Jew...er, "media"...always tries to divide whites...er, "the enemy"...when they are trying to destroy them?
Any white that falls for this nonsense is not signalling their virtue or intelligence, they are exposing their ignorance and vulnerability to being a dupe.

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>>131482398
Well maybe if the Democrat party decided to stop the abortion holocaust, we would consider their policies

>>131486481
>hitler
>berlin wall
what the fuck? thats fake right?

>>131485252
You either work for a corporation and make money off of this or you are a massive, mentally weak cuckold. I can't imagine being so stupid that I don't understand the simple goals of a corporation and have the ability to contrast that to our corrupt government and its aims.

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>>131482398
I really don't get how liberals don't understand we don't have the resources to support 300 million people.
You can bitch and moan about how it's unfair or how it's bullshit that anything with the word "medical" on it costs 50 times more than the same thing from a corner store (thank the FDA for that) but it's just a fact that we can't save everyone as things are now. It's better to invest our money wisely than to throw it all at terminal cancer patients who will live another year maximum.

>>131502212
Lol at wanting unchecked breeding in minority races and the subhuman trailer park whites born of methamphetamine and fetal alcohol syndrome.

>>131502697
>I really don't get how liberals don't understand we don't have the resources to support 300 million people.
Prove it.
>It's better to invest our money wisely than to throw it all at terminal cancer patients who will live another year maximum.
Maybe, though a significant portion of the medical expenditure comes from getting grandma another few days in the ICU, and chemo drugs are actually cheap at cost.
How about putting Monsanto and other biotech firms' execs and employees to the firing squad so that there isn't so much cancer in the USA? What if, when everyone's interests are included, megacorps actually destroy the nation's wealth?
Time to stop fetishizing progress, kids. It's only taking us backward.

Holy fuck this board is the worst thing I've ever seen, i didn't know so many people could be so stupid. all of you, kys /thread

>>131502212
Abort yourself, jew.

>>131495768

>Bernie
>skills

>>131501895
Higher paid wage slave than the overwhelming majority of wage slaves.
>NEET larper
>>131501984
If you remove all of the illegal beaners using the emergency room as a doctors office and purge the obese everything would change overnight. Jewish premiums can also be changed if you remove the Jew

>Jesus would definitely tax and regulate the fuck outta everyone
>then pay some loser's hospital bills

>>131502764
Minorites and subhumans don't have money for aborts

>>131503178
They get them all of the time when they get knocked up by someone they know they can't try to squeeze money from because they are too poor and will crush their skull if they try, it costs less for the abortion then to raise the kid and give birth to it.

>"people"

>the best way to fix healthcare in a country that is desperately importing illegals and terrorist refugees in order to load them up with debt to stop pensions and entitlements from collapsing the economy

>is for the taxpayer to further subsidize the 20,000 dollars people pay for room and board alone, after spending less than 30 days in a hospital

>>131502962
>Prove it.
It's a basic fact.
Medical costs are astronomically high from over regulation driving up costs while stifling competition.

If you want to fix the problem cut it off at the source. Slash the FDA's regulatory power and give the medical field back to the free market. Generic medications will come back and prices will plummet overnight.

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>>131482485
>>131483022
>>131483462
>>131483644
>>131483759
>>131484906
>>131485102
>>131485159

Daily reminder, Trump promised universal healthcare.

>I'm gonna take care of everybody, the government is gonna pay for it, I don't care if it loses me votes or not.

>>131482398
It seems so simple. Is not it true that we would like to have a free healthcare? The truth is that if it were possible, it would demand to order the Nazis to control the expenditures. It also requires a constant provision of new workers.

>>131482398
government (obama) jacks up price of healthcare so less than 24 million people can afford it

let corporations compete in the free market, and prices will drop and more coverage will probably be the outcome

tell me about how you disagree?

>>131504493
Before ObamaCare (Which was based on RomneyCare) there were about 50 million people uninsured.

It was free market mahem. I don't think now it would magically be better, if Obamacare gets turned back.

>>131504591
i think it became cancer when you were forced to pay for it

unhealthy people should mostly pay for themselves?

>>131504591
why cant they copy countries that have no problem with their healthcare system?

are there too many unhealthy people weighing down the system? or spending too much on military?

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>>131486248
>>I'll take paying asshole corps over corrupt goverment any day.
>I'll take corrupt government, thanks.

Ultra-conservative here.
I would also prefer big-gov to big-corp, myself...it's one of the main reasons I despise globalism.
With big-gov you have an inefficient bureaucracy that costs too much. With big-corp you have a private inefficient bureaucracy that costs too much.
But with the inefficient big-gov you can band together and demand changes through your so-called "representatives" if things get too bad...with the private big-corp you have no say at all.

The problem really lies with our acceptance of the strict regulations on health care that give the medical industries a quasi-monopoly on the subject. With your car you can work on the car yourself, with your own body you can't, as the drugs & other means to do so are legalistically kept out of your reach...so where's the alternative to confiscatory prices? How can you NOT do business with overpriced insurance companies, when your medical choices are non-existent?

So only two courses of action are left to us, if we want to make healthcare affordable to all...nationalize it, or drop all regulations on the medicines and who can practice medicine.

One is libertarian, the other socialist.
But one thing is for sure...what we have now is a neocon, pro-corp looting scam. It is not "healthcare" at all, and insurance companies are just a layer of unnecessary expense that provide no healthcare, but parasite off the need for it.

>LARPing Americuck """fascists""" being against public healthcare
Actually kill yourself you libertarian faggots. There is no hope for you.

>>131493574
"Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's definition."

>>131504679
When healthcare becomes easily available through government, the healthcare cost for society as a whole drops. People don't linger on with their disease, with their mental problems. Now people are dodging the doctor, because of the price.

A person that gets help fast, is a more productive person (He can perform his job better and is overall a happier person) , if society picks up the tab, that person is not crippled in healthcare bills, so he can go on with his live, healthy and financially without worries.

Yes, you have to reign in on personal freedom (pay a bit more taxes), but it is to advance society as a whole in the long run.

>>131504815
>why cant they copy countries that have no problem with their healthcare system?
Because it's too socialistic for their taste. Americans don't like the government in their lives, period.

>or spending too much on military?
Partly, bombing 7 nations simultaneously, and having over 200 military bases around the world isn't cheap. The biggest thing is though, big pharma can just set prices. Here in the Netherlands, prices with big-pharma get negotiate ferociously, keeping costs down.

For as long as its costs 20,000 dollars to stay in a hospital bed for less than a month, I will never support socialized healthcare, because it is merely the subsidizing of a corrupt pharma monopoly's theft.

>>131504945

That's NBA money.

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>>131482398
They're a bunch of retards who listen to shills like PragerU and Steven Crowder.

They don't know that the U.S. spends more per-person on healthcare, by a FUCKTON, to get roughly comparable results, and without having universal coverage.

They also don't understand the correlation between healthcare costs and the amount of uninsured patients.

One day, maybe they'll be the one with a chronic illness who can't get affordable healthcare. Then they'll have a sudden change of heart, but there'll be no one to blame but themselves.

America sucks because economically parasitic red states like West Virginia and Mississippi sponge off of economically productive blue states like California and New York. Our piece of shit constitution (and gerrymandering) gives rural evangelical meth addicts solid control over the House of Representatives, and often the presidency due to the electoral college.

As a result, nothing ever gets fucking done in this country.

A lot of blue states are saying "fuck this shit" and trying to establish their own single-payer systems on a state level.

I hope they do, and I hope once they do they vote to gut medicaid and medicare so red state Trumpsters suffer and die via the mess they themselves created.

>>131482398
My healthcare has gone from $480 per month to $1250 per month. That's why

>>131505480

lol, a powerless liberal's power fantasy. hey, unless you murder the supreme court, all your worst ideas are going to be rejected for the next 30 years haha

>>131482398
>b-but muh Scandinavian socialism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoXyFmmGBQ

>>131505480
>Rich country spends more money than poor countries in a product with inelastic demand

I'm voting democrat right now

>Comparable results

Yeah, comparably much better >>131493677

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>>131482398

Fuck Occupy communists, pic related.

Also old talking point is old

Yeah yeah, berniebots get to shoot up baseball fields with a rifle but if you discuss improving shitty legislation and lowering taxes and waste you're a sociopath.

Get fucked. My and my father's premiums have tripled under Obongocare which is collapsing by any measure. I dropped insurance for my wife and myself.

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>>131505631
I hate America and want it to Balkanize

I'm sick of sharing a country with a bunch of socio-economic dead weight.

>>131482398

A huge portion of hospitals have Christian sounding names yet their financial practices are very unchristian.

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This same thread.
Posted every single day.
Multiple times per day.
1 post by this id.
Every.
Single.
Time.
And you fucking cretins take the bait.
Every.
Single.
Fucking.
Time

sage

>>131505347
you think somehow private insurers with very limited competition are going to drive the price down?

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>>131505530
>>131505739
I want to clarify

Obamacare fucking blows and everyone knows it, but the AHCA won't solve the problem.

There's only one way out of the world of shit we currently inhabit, and that's single payer.

>>131482398
Socialized anything doesn't work when you don't control your borders and subsidize low life niggers to have a dozen kids between 7 fathers. Europe should learn from the US before it's too late.

>>131482398
Probably because they know that the term "free" its just politically correct word for paid and so they prefer less goverment instead of having to invest 70% of they hard earned money into a black hole that wont bring back what they invest.

>>131483022
>be alive and reproduce
>create people who will be dependent on healthcare
>Pol Pot takes over because you didn't create an ancap paradise
>kills 100 billion trillion people
>KGB subversion man was right
>COMMIES BTFO XDD!

>>131505480

>U.S. spends more per-person on healthcare, by a FUCKTON, to get roughly comparable results, and without having universal coverage.

No shit because the betrayer in chief Obongo didn't do anything about healthcare but burden the system more with illegals and red tape for doctors and taxpayers and insurers who are jumping ship from it all in droves.

> correlation between healthcare costs and the amount of uninsured patients.

I've been in ERs all over the country because my ex wife was chronically ill and I definitely understand the direct relationship between illegal immigrant clogged ERs and rising costs.

>America sucks because economically parasitic red states like West Virginia and Mississippi sponge off of economically productive blue states like California and New York.

Because regulations and illegal immigrants and offshore h1bs have companies hiring from everywhere but the midwest. IT was hiring from places like arkansas right before the dot com collapse before india..not widely known. We can actually build industry up in the midwest again. It's no mystery why only the coastal liberals have economies when they continually saddle the midwest with legislation that curbs growth and ships it off to countries competing with americans because MUH DIVERSITY.

>A lot of blue states are saying "fuck this shit" and trying to establish their own single-payer systems on a state level.

Yeah and hilariously califiornia just voted to throw that off a cliff while pretending to be some socialist purist saint.

Team blue and the corrupt media is going to make a lovely footnote in history in the information age when they can't obscure all the facts on the ground anymore.

The red winnings are not stopping and it's going to be a long eight years for communists.

>>131482398
They're low IQs prevent them from making cognitive decisions

>>131505968
This.

"Socialized X, Y, and Z" means nothing when people are going to drain the pool of resources, we need to cut off those who are a bleed on the system.

For people who do have legit cases and do contribute or have already paid into the system, we can work something out for them at least.

>>131501895
This. What a fucking cuck. He never even considered the possibility of being free.

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>>131505687
> United States spends $9024 per person
> Canada spends $4506 per person
> Canada spends 10.4% of GDP
> United States spends 17.4% of GDP

> Spending WAY more to cover fewer people makes sense because of a negligible 3.3% improvement in outcomes on average

http://www.pgpf.org/chart-archive/0006_health-care-oecd
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS

>>131505530
Lol, how can you still think this is a good idea if what you want is to pay less for healthcare? Everyone who isn't retarded understands by now that this isn't the reason anyone who understands this bill likes it, nobody even pretends that it will lower costs for you.

>>131493677
That's basically the only thing US healthcare does well. Most studies show that it's at the bottom of the charts in most other rankings.

>>131495853
Look at Canada and Australia on that chart and then look at what we spend per person for our healthcare and what percentage of us is insured.

>>131494738
Sure. Let's all pretend that Western European countries will become the world's biggest jailers (hint: The USA is right now) when they run out of other people's money, whatever that means.

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>>131493677
When it comes to cancer treatment America is the place to be, yes.

>>131494854
Get off your high horse. Everyone thinks themselves to be more "worthy" of life.

>>131495954
>le poor people with luxury goods meme
Spoken like someone who hasn't seen how most poor people live.

>>131498702
>cuck!!!1! cuck cuck cuck!!! cuck!!!1!11 cuck cuckity cuck cuck cuck XDDDD!!!!!11!11!!!!!

>>131503812
Who's going to pay for it? Where does that leave private practices? What's the say insurance firms agree and play along?

>>131482398
>>just 24 milions
Too few too late.

>>131506526
The US is also behind most of the world's medical R&D, we have higher medical costs due to that and malpractice insurance the doctors have to buy. If we cut the cost, do you really think the rest of the world would pick up the slack when it comes to developing new medical tech and medicines?

>>131507784
We know what You are You don't need to scream It around.

>>131503611
>le regulation boogeyman
Enjoy your "100% more free" snake oil that'll TOTALLY work because the FDA is really useless.

>>131483695
>racial
America was 99% white befofe the welfare state

>>131501441
>yeah who needs white women to have children you bigot

>>131508236
The US was never 99% white. Probably never more than 91% white at the very most.

>>131482398
>Why do Conservashits vote against their own healthcare interests?

why they don't stand up and demand the removal of the earned income tax credit is beyond me

>I love my free healthcare, it only costs 10% of my paycheck
>t. statists

>>131482398
>HUUUUUUU HUUUUUUUUUUU HUUUUUUUUUUUUU WHY WON'T U GIVE YOUR MONEY TO OUR IMPORTED VOTING HORDES HUUUUUU HUUUUUUUUU

Cry. Some. More. Your people will DIE and I will laugh.

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>>131482671
>At least theoretically the government represents the common people interest

If that were true the first act of government would be to deport every nigger in the country. The government exists to INCREASE ITS OWN FUNDING AND GET REELECTED MORON.

>>131484839

I make more at my current job than my last two, which provided full benefits. In fact I make enough to cover the former benefits I had with plenty to spare.

Liquid cash is far more valuable than group plans. You'll learn that eventually.

>>131508640
Yep, hell even some of us will get screwed as well, due to shit economy, but then again we were screwed to begin with. Can't get any fucking worse anyway.

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>>131501239
UH OH. LOW INFORMATION LEFTIST ALERT.

>>131484321
What does that even mean? Wtf is going on with pol?

I find it absolutely mad that any american thinks health care shoulsnt be free for all citizen. Why pay taxes if ur gov doesnt so ANYTHING for you except repave roads every 20 years.

>>131509186
Means alotnofnu fucjing idiots r jus shills now

>>131504945
>says they're an ultra conservative
>prefers big gov
How tf can you say those things together? Do you understand what conservatism is? Are you retarded?

The current system where healthy poor people subsidize wealthy diabetics by being forced into a "market" (if you're coerced, it's not really a market) is bullshit on every level. But "it's okay, cuz the government will just use Chinese loan money to pick up the difference." That's not what fucking loan money (which is what deficit money is) should be used for if it has to be used at all. That is unsustainable and unrealistic. The Debt System has to end at some point.

I prefer a single payer market because it incentivizes savings as opposed to "4th gen $300 a pill opiates" you use morphine which comes from a fucking plant for basically free, holy shit. It also is more honest. You die in line. Better than you die because you cant pay / crushing debt and hemorrhaged familial wealth because you're too stupid and selfish to die. Americans basically expect to instantly be cured of cancer for free. Old people and sick people are supposed to die at some point. I only go to the doctor for antibiotics because I'm not a paranoid neurotic nut and I have good genetics and a decent lifestyle. If the market is free, anyone should be able to buy a catastrophic plan for $40 a month and that's the end of it, but CONGRESS is forever trying to box those plans out cuz they're bad.... For all the old people who wouldn't be subsidized... And the retards and the fatties and the hoodrats and unlucky motherfuckers with genetic disorders. You'd be infringing on their right to drag society down. Boohoo, there is no such right. But all of us have a right to not care about another human being if we so choose.

The solution to Naynay's ghetto baby factory is a compromise where we greatly reduce or eliminate welfare and EBT but have single payer medicine, and some sort of criminal penalty for reproducing after civil services have had to take your kid for neglect or poor conditions. This would be better than the welfare and health systems in place atm

>>131482398
Because we would prefer to take care of ourselves, and not be forced into purchasing shit insurance.

>>131504945
Excellent post, even though i don't agree with all of it

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>>131482398
because their workplace boss(most of them are NEET though) and fox news have brainwashed "poor conservashits" into thinking that healthcare and other welfare related things are against their interest.

but those retards endlessly are murmuring "muh jew muh Soros".

kek
before 4chan, I usually thought westerners are more reasonable but /pol/ disproves my theory real hard.

so damn pathetic

>>131509519
Wow people still troll in 2017? I had no idea.

>>131510520
How did they brainwash these "conservashits"?

>>131482398
Why do you keep posting

>>131497790
I can't fathom what it's like to be this stupid and ignorant of the world. Suicide would be a mercy for you.

>>131486313
>moderately intelligent
>democrats

>>131482398

WWJD was literally created by a jewess in the 90s to turn Christians into pacifist faggotloving pussies.

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>>131508622
But you guys spend 17% of your paycheck

>>131505348
Nope, that's their compensation for being CEO's.

>>131483365
i'm not a bureaucrat in DC or a multi-national health insurance company stakeholder, so it's not against my economic self-interest

>>131482398

>take away

That is a lie. Removing the mandate people CHOOSE not to have it.

Big difference.


Also why does everyone need ONE plan in ObamaCare that has TOO much for many people driving costs.

Why does a 21 year old boy need maternity leave coverage, or mammograms?

Obamacare forced everyone into the same plans. Instead we want choice.

GOP have a long way to go to make a perfecdt plan, but ignoring the truth is just as fucking stupid.

Universal heathcare in EU costs 60% in taxes. do Americans want to pay 4x the price for the same car?

>Hey you inbred flyover garbage people stop voting against your interests and vote for us! We hate you btw

>>131482398
this obama care is nothing like national health care in Britain. it's really just for the poor. i never signed up for it, never got instructions sent to me, it was a hoax from the start. the original bill allowed for sending me to jail for 90 days for not signing up. that begs the question, if it truly is insurance for all, why do I have to sign up for anything. I should just be able to show up at hospital and get my Tommy John surgery, or pig heart. Also why no dental, or eye care? Seems kind of useless.

>>131482398
>people can now choose to not buy insurance without being penalized
>media calls it "taking their insurance"

How do people fall for shit this shit...

Somewhere down the line the (((corporations))) fooled us into thinking that healthcare and insurance mean the same thing. I support the expansion of actual healthcare - advances in hospitals, more and subsidized ambulances, etc. - but keep the insurance companies out of it.