Was the Iraq war a mistake?

Yes. The Iraq war was a mistake. We should never have gone there, or at least we should have left there a long time ago.

>>131462080
Everything America does is a mistake, infact America itself is a mistake

>>131462080
Afghanistan was/is the bigger mistake.

>>131462080
Yes. Even the first Iraq War was a mistake.

Saddam was a good guy for the most part. Certainly better than Kuwait and better than the elements within his own country that he oppressed.

It was a poor application of American military power and diplomatic capital. With Saddam there would have been no ISIS.

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>>131462080
>Was the Iraq war a mistake?

No. It was very intentional.

>>131462080
First mistake was taking the bait into that war. Second mistake is not completely obliterating them.

>>131462080
De-Bathification was the real mistake.

>>131462080
Yes. It was a mistake to go in. The war itself was conducted terribly and didn't achieve its own goals.

Our men fought well but the generals and congress doomed it all to failure. The troops deserved better.

I just want the War on Terror to be over for good.

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>>131462080
Would be interested to hear from anons who can justify this war.
Not trolling - I learn a lot from here.

>>131462080
Went to kill muzzies. Killed 5 muzzies. No mistakes made.

>>131462690
More dead brown people

>>131462596
Even in Nazi German we didn't disband the army. And by the way in Nazi Germany we had enough soldiers to get the job done.

Top leadership acted like the country would liberate itself.

>>131462080
No, The Iraw war threatened the supremacy of the american dollar. Every life lost was worth it.

>>131462080
WW2 was a mistake, you guys fought against the wrong guy.

>fight for ZOG
>not a mistake

lad...

Seeing as the average IQ on here is extremely low, and a lot of faggot ass military members post here while sitting on their asses getting paid on government dime, allow me to paraphrase /pol/'s stance:

"It's a good thing when the United States invades another country, and if you disagree... you're a Communist."

There. Thread over. Now go back to your Internet porn while shitposting about degeneracy.

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Question

Why do soldiers hold the stock above their shoulder like that?

I'm guessing two things, but they're guesses
1. shitty eye relief
2. urban combat, taught to reduce barrel length

Can anyone enlighten?

>>131462608
>Yes. It was a mistake to go in. The war itself was conducted terribly and didn't achieve its own goals.
>Our men fought well but the generals and congress doomed it all to failure. The troops deserved better.
>I just want the War on Terror to be over for good.
All good and true points but the kind of war needed to stop this will never happen. (barring of course some nuclear 9/11 type shit). After 2 trillion dollars, and countless years and dead U.S. soldiers I'm getting tired of it all. We need to do what Genghis Khan did. But Americans are pussy whipped PC fags.

>>131462690
The WMD's bullshit you always hear from liberals might be a complete lie. Hussein was given months to dump them, so he might have actually had them. Also he was one of the worst dictators ever and had tried to build world ending nuclear weapons before. I honestly don't know how to feel about the Iraq war, I do know that it ended as a fucking disaster but when liberals talk about it like it's "anudda shoah but this time muslims!!!" I die a little inside.

>>131463286
Inadvertent due to trying to shoulder the stock while wearing a bunch of equipment.


t. current PMC and OEF/OIF combat veteran

>>131462080
probably not. Muslims have turned out to be a real problem throughout the world and I don't think it's because of Iraq. It was a problem brewing and the party had to be busted up.

>>131462080
America doesn't make mistakes faggot. We went there for a reason, just not the one you were told.

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>>131462475

B-but the babies in the incubators

Btw, I love how Alex Jones tier "redpilled" people claim WW2 was a just war while knowing about 9/11, the Iraq wars, gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwood etc. Because the US was TOTALLY different before 1942 right? haha

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>>131462349
>Canada
>calling anyone else a mistake

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>>131462464
Nah Afghanistan was pretty much a shitskin safari. Wicked fun time.

>>131463650

yo i did 2 tours in afghanistan as a medic and have my civilian paramedic certs. is it worth it to pick up one of those 105/35 crazy pay PSS-medic jobs?

is it as sweet a gig as it sounds?

>>131462080

Absolutely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4

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>>131462231
>>131462464
>>131462475
>>131462568
>>131462608
Oy vey! Did you forget we're the good goys and we need to make peace in the middle east.
Theres WMDs and terrorists trying to make a caliphate dont give up, be good goys!

>>131462080
depends on who you ask. you talk to the CIA/ Mossad faggits on this board and they'll say no. but if you ask the wily veterans of this board more than likey they'll say yeah.

>>131462080
It was a mistake to transition our military to nation building, both in Iraq and Afghanistan

t. 2x oef vet

Buddy of mine got his head blown off in the Iraq war to make some bankers and corporations richer. It wasn't a mistake, American soldiers and civilians are just numbers to these psychopathic sadistic fucks who crave power and profits.
Our society, especially the media elevate and cheer on our soldiers as heroes, we award their bravery and courage (not financially, but with trinkets). At the end of the day this is what they are to the people who matter and run our foreign policy..
"Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -― Henry Kissinger

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war is hell (for some people)

>pic related

>>131462080
Unlike everyone ITT I wasn't brainwashed from age 4 on trying to spout whatever I was told to believe.

Some parts of Iraq, such as Iraqi Kurdistan, have definitely improved. In fact they’ve improved a lot. Iraqi Kurdistan is one of the most liberal and developed places in the Middle East.
As for ISIS, it is being contained and steadily driven out. Most of Iraq is relatively peaceful.

Remember Iraq now has freedom and democracy and a fair and sane leadership with a spirited army who has learned how to fight and repel ISIS.

Also, I think it’s important to remember what the state of Iraq was before the Iraq War. It was ruled by Saddam Hussein, who was killing thousands of Iraqis and waging genocide. So it’s not as if the US ruined Iraq, it was already ruined. Looking at Iraq and saying the Iraq War ruined it is a little silly. Nationbuidling takes time, Iraq’s future will only improve as forces in the region are tamed.

So overall, Iraq would still be an authoritarian regime with a lot of genocide and oppression, US would be a little bit richer, and ISIS may not exist. But overall, given the progress made in Iraq by the US, Iraq, and the Coalition Forces, I’d say it was worth it.

>>131464741

>3 future Oath Keepers

>Was the Iraq war a mistake?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJWRw8bRwt4

>Why did we go to war in Iraq?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJWRw8bRwt4

>Who benefited from the war in Iraq?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJWRw8bRwt4

>Why are we talking about Assad like we did Saddam?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJWRw8bRwt4

>>131464783
>Unlike everyone ITT I wasn't brainwashed from age 4 on trying to spout whatever I was told to believe.
>It was ruled by Saddam Hussein, who was killing thousands of Iraqis and waging genocide
PICK ONE, CIA FAGGIT

>>131463978
Due to the 7th floor shakeup and Trump's insistence that DOS get their budget slashed in the last continuing resolution it's not the best time for it.

Were also going through some pretty big client driven reforms which leads to a lot of BS.

What MOS were you? What year?

>>131464783
>and ISIS may not exist.
You can thank Obama and Hillary for unleashing that beast. ME only seems to do well when under a brutal dictator.

>>131463782
>the US was totally different before 1942?

I think a case could be made it was. Care to argue your point?

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>>131462080

Every war since 1847 has been a mistake Tbh

>>131465078
Only a 68W attached to a line company, nothing crazy. I was in 08 to 12 and deployed in RC-East 09 and 11.

Did my 4 years and dipped, moved on to better things but like everybody else I kind of miss it.

I appreciate the advice though, I keep getting emails from recruiters making contracting sound good but I also don't want to get murdered guarding some USAID guy trying to tell the locals to stop growing that sweet, sweet heroin.

>>131462080
It worked out great for 1 country
Not US

>>131462080
Killing brown people is never a mistake.

>>131465269

In terms of corrupted, false flagging government? No it was n ot.

>Lusitania
>Pearl Harbor

>>131464783
You seem to forget who put Saddam in power in the first place.

>>131466189
>>Pearl Harbor
Not sure if PH never happened we would have gotten into WW2.

>>131466660

>devil kinda confirms

Well FDR let it happen on purpose to drag you in because his masters told him so.

>>131465592
The ROE have gotten really fucked for us. If you did want to dip in I'd suggest you get used to rolling slick with a Glock shoved into your waistband or no weapon at all. I

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>>131465592
I was in RC-east in 09' on taskforce. Wonder if we saw each other.

>>131468253

Damn, that's awfully light but maybe just a year doing it before it starts to really wind down might be worth it.

>>13146844

Only guy I ever worked with in tiger stripes I actually met last year on the job here in DC. It's a small military tho bro, we probably passed by or something.

>>131462556
This. Iraq war was planned in advanced. The average American got sent the bill though

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>>131462080
Let's see...

>911 falseflag (Project for the New American Century)
>Over a million dead Iraquis
>Thousands of dead Americans
>Middle East de-stabilized forever
>Millions of rapefugees flood Europe
>Record deficit spending and debt to pay for the war

Fighting Israel's wars is always a mistake you stupid kike.

Iraq is the same shithole it ever was, the US is no more secure. Trillions spent, thousands of US dead and a million+ dead in iraq as a result of the turmoil. Every time we try to leave ISIS or the equivalent takes over.


The people responsible for Iraq, Libya, and now Syria would be tortured and the killed live on tv in a just world.

>>131469805
You're in DC???

>>131470248
I was the youngest guy at the AUSA conference. I'm in DC. Beltway bandit and all that.

>>131462080
yea, should have just nuked the entire middle East.

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>>131462349
>leaf

>>131470248

I went from Army medic to Firefighter-Medic lol, I've worked for the DCFD (fems technically lol) for about 3 years now.

>>131463170
So was WWI and our Civil War. Invading you guys was admittedly a pretty dick move too, sorry about that pham.

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>The entire GWOT was worth it simply due to the half dozen teenaged army slampigs I was blessed to be allowed to penetrate while resupplying at BAF and Shank.

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>>131462080
every war fought by the US starting with WWI was to advance the globalist agenda and make shekels off of people's suffering, all while making the ignorant Americuck masses support it by drumming up patriotism and pretending that it is about "freedom and democracy". And over these past 100 years, we Americans have never learned, all you have to do is wave the flag and these stupid fucks will do anything, throwing their lives away for the jews that run the country.

>>131471280

I would even start with the war of northern aggression desu

>>131471613
the civil war is what got the ball rolling for the national government to become a massive totalitarian regime, the North won and states' rights were officially made meaningless

>>131472055

I know. IMHO the actual US died in 1861 when it invaded itself illegally. Then the FED follows and from there it is only downhill

>>131472096
[email protected] brah

>>131462080
Absolutely! Does anyone even question this?

the wars were a mistake, but they gave americans 15 years of combat experience. This experience is going to be needed during the coming race war. luckily most infantrymen are white.

>>131462596
This.

Even US military commanders on the ground knew diabanding the Iraqi Army was a mistake. They had senior Iraqi officers surrendering to them and asking for manual labor jobs to keep their troops working on clearing rubble and the like so they could keep getting pay checks. Brenner said nope so the Iraqi troops took their weapons and went home.

You can imagine what happened next

>>131462080
yes, should have let those animals destroy eachother

>>131465592
If you have national registery paramedic go work for a Fire Dept. They always want full medics and most have good pay, 48/96 sechedule and full benefits

youll get paid to work out and play xbox at a fire station for half your shift

>>131471280
All Western governments are branches of the ZOG octopus. Freemasonry is the tentacles which the yid parasite uses to take control of a nation's elite.

Once their control over the media and the political establishment is total, ((they)) can justify anything (murdering children, bombing people into the stone age, false-flagging, welcoming foreign hordes of terrorists, drone strikes, extra-judicial assassinations, etc) ANYTHING as long as it furthers Israel's foreign policy objectives.

https://youtu.be/omnskeu-puE

https://youtu.be/UK8Z3i3aTq4

Remember goy, it's all for Freedom(tm)

>>131473216

nigel i work in dc 24/72 and do 20+ runs a day. they're all nogs, shit sux

>>131462080
The only mistake was pulling out prematurely.

>>131473368
Dang go West young man

>>131473420
/ strong advice brotha. just how far west tho

>>131473397

;-)

We should only destroy not rebuild. If we rebuild these shit countries the locals will have no since of attachment to it. When/ if they rebuild, if we do not like it we destroy again.

Nation building was a mistake.

>>131462080
>killing muslims
>a mistake

the neocon arguments were noble to an extent and christopher hitchens in particular was convincing, but yeah looking back it was a really, really biblical big mistake.

>>131463914
Most of the american soldiers there were also shitskins

>>131462080
The only mistake we made in Iraq was believing we needed to fight this new war.
Total war is the only way to win. Leave your enemy no where to hide.
Civilians are nothing but potential soldiers or insurgents. If they can't leave town after we give them multiple warnings they should die.

If history has taught us anything, almost every city that was ever leveled during war has been rebuilt better than it was the day it was destroyed.
With any luck when we attack Korea we level the entire country. It will be better after we rebuild.

>>131473784

>

t. Zionist cuck

Yes, it's a massive money sink, who could say otherwise?

>>131462080

Not if you're paid weapons contractor.

:/

>>131462349
Best answer. America needs to be destroyed.

Depends. I think it went exactly as planned.

Problem is 10 or 12 Jews in an office on the Upper East side planned it.

If you are a Whitebread Goy American, it may be the biggest mistake in US history.

>>131462080
Yes and the kikes and their Eternal Anglo servants keep making the (((mistake)))

>>131462844
1 million less potential refugees

>>131474906

At least what is America now. I don't think the founding fathers would like it.

>>131467353
Please redpill me on this.

>>131477209
There is no redpill on it. FDR wanted war with Germany, Pearl Harbor wasn't going to guarantee that anyway. Germany was the one that declared war on the US .
But going back to Pearl, a lot of US commanders and intelligence officers knew Japan was going to attack at some time but didn't know where.
The Americans in Washington DC only discovered it was Pearl Harbor a few hours before the attack started and the warnings didn't arrive until the attack was underway. That wasn't due to some conspiracy theory, that was due to the fact the message was being delivered to Hawaii by regular telegram.

>>131463285
>"Seeing as the average IS on here is extremely low"
>Grrrr, I'm angry because I'm a beta-cuck


You don't say? Back to your liberal arts degree and crippling debt faggot. Also, this isnt tumblr.

>>131462080
The 2 biggest winners of the Iraq war were trained Israelis and kurds

>>131477866
That war it's going to backfire once they lose control of the former iraqui army.

>>131477716
FDR also created the Federal Reserve

>>131478306
Even if he wanted it, that was on Wilson's watch

>>131477716

>admitting FDR wanted to drag the US into a war
>not a redpill

why would that cripple mess with European affairs? Why is that his business? Can you remember Germany intervening in the Banana wars? No you can't because we didn't.

Also the US did lie perpetuate the incubator lie, Gulf of Tonkin etc. why do you think WW2 was not the same? How can any US citizen that know about the history of his government think that the US administration was not like that in the 40s and 30s?

>>131478839
It's common knowledge that FDR wanted to get involved in the war again Germany.
The Kriegsmarine were attacking American ships and FDR wanted to help his British ally.

>>131462080
No. America did right on invading because Sadam Hussein was a dangerous man. Oh, he also slept with Satan.

>>131462080
Yes. Been there done that. was a waste of money and time and lives. Shitskins won't live better, don't want to and all the places where we fought are now taliban controlled. Basically your standard war for money scheme. And anyone who says different wasn't there or isn't real with themselves.

>>131463285
KYS faggot.

>>131462080
Did we get to kill sands?

>there's your answer

We wished we could light ye olde hajji up 24/7 just like the cops wish they could light the darkspawn up 24/7.

Sadly, you gotta balance that desire with your desire for freedom.

Sometimes however, it all just works out. :)

>>131478499
Yes I forgot been a while since I watched this. My first redpill to boot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zpfE7WjHI

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>>131462080

Of course it was.

Baathism was the only thing g keeping the wahabbists from chimping out. And we fucked it up. Kill Asad will be the worst disaster since Libya. If the last Baathist falls, Europe will unsalvageable.

>>131479130

>stay (((neutral)))
>help ally

pick one and only one. Also it is not legal to ship supplies under a neutral flag

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>>131462080
>>>131462080
>
>Every war since 1847 has been a mistake Tbh

>1847

>Not 1453

Yes.

The entire reason we went in wasn't exactly for oil. It was to go to the old house of Abraham and take a Sumerian artifact.

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>>131480758

Not an American war.

>>131472817

>glhf chinamen

>>131462080
Yes, but it was fun and helped boost Prosthetics and Paramedicine technology.

>>131462080
>Was the Iraq war a mistake?

The war in Iraq didn't have to be that long and messy.
They tried to do too much too quickly instead of just removing Saddam and leaving everyone else alone. It's an American thing when people assume that somebody agrees with the dictator just because they work for him. There were no other options for educated Iraqis.

>>131463286
In combat shooting it's the easiest way to shoulder it, get a cheek weld, good sight picture and get it up quickly to engage threats.

Barrel length doesn't get reduced that way but if you mean flagging then yeah it does help a little bit, high porting it tends to work a lot better though.

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>>131482384

nigel you've never worn an iotv or plate carrier. it gets in the way of the natural firing position/shoulder groove

>>131482933
Pretty sure I've worn TBAS and MCBAS and whatever the old shitty Somali edition gear that you wore and Singo.

The older stuff did go further across the upper chest but in that case you'd just try to fire from the centre of your chest because fuck knows that was the drill.

>not if your an arms dealer...sips grange.

>>131472055
Can you explain this in greater detail? I don't know a lot about the history of America, and I'd like to learn the red pill way.

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>>131483917
aight brah

>>131484595
Is this supposed to be you smirking or are you Adam Driver on the right there?

>>131484529
Meant to reply to >>131471280
But any replies welcome

>>131462080
mistake is defined as "an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong." the iraq war was both intentional and executed as intended.

Every american war is a mistake.

>>131462080
We should have took it over and never left.

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>>131484874

I was born in Lismore but I escaped 11 years ago. You jelly?

>owo

>>131480757
So why did Hitler get so mad when the British tried to blockade Norway's ports?
Nazi Germany had an absolutely terrible record of respecting other nation's neutrality.

>>131484944
Yeah, look what they did to us

>>131462988
I can't wait until your nation of good goys collapses

>>131485168

>blockading Norways ports is a neutral act

are you retarded?

Hey, me and some armed guys are going to blockade the entrance of your house. We are neutral though so dont be mad lmao

>>131462080

if ((your)) goal was the destabilization of the middle east, ((you)) were very successful

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America deserves a nuke desu senpai

>>131485542
Do you think you would stay with us if there were not milosevic or western intervention?

>>131485133
Seriously? My parents lived in Lismore and I grew up in Lismore as a baby before leaving. I went there and drank with an old mate from the Infantry a few years ago, got kicked out of the workers club or whatever it was called then broke into that pub that's right next to the Cop shop.

>>131465042
I mean, he's not wrong
All the despots are being replaced by a new age comprised of: fucking nothing

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>>131485665

Furries will get the rope soon enough

>>131485493
Germany's justification for declaring was on the US was that they were claiming to be neutral but were in fact contributing to one side's war effort.
Norway was claiming to be neutral but was contributing to Germany's war effort. When the British tried to blockade those ports, and planned to invade Norway, the Germans claimed that was a violation of Norway's neutrality and so they invaded and occupied Norway before the Brits could.
Then there's nations like Belgium, Holland, etc. where Germany completely disregarded their neutrality and invaded.
As well as Switzerland, which claimed neutrality but conducted heavy ore trade with Germany.

But yes, the Germans were entirely justified to declare war on the US and criticize them for using a false pretense of neutrality.

>>131486721

My point is that if you stayed out we would not be where we are right now.
You were not directly threatened by a giant communist Empire at your border. You had nor reason to join this except fucking up Europe (and ultimately yourself)

Yes 2 trillion raped from the taxpayers

>>131462080
Killing people is always wrong.
End war.

>>131462608
Imagine, all those soldiers that died and didn't even know what they were truly fighting for. The best part is they volunteered for it so I don't really feel sorry for them.

>>131474018
Well ya
Only beaners, and nogs join the marines

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>>131462080
You mean the kike war? Nah m8 niggers and kikes and mudslimes loved it - they got more than they ever dreamed

>>131462080
Horrible mistake. If we were going to actually invade Iraq we should have seized all the oil fields as US property. Why go to war if you don't make any money or gain any land for your country?

Only person it benefited was Dick C.

>>131462080
>be France
>get memed to death for eternity because you thought Iraq was a mistake

THE IRAQ WAR WAS THE BEST IDEA EVER LOVE YOU AMERICA

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>>131462080
yup, the only WMD we found were left overs from the iran-iraq war that were sold to sadam from either ragen or bush.