why do these worthless fucks want $12hr?

>>131451395
i hate it to ask unknowing assistants (women) in a hardware store, it would be so much less embarassing if there would an info computer.

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Wages have been stagnant for decades while the cost of living has risen drastically, and this has effected people trying to escape poverty the most.

If I ate fast food garbage like most burgers, I would be willing to pay extra for my """meal""" to support their wages. If I was in the top 1%, I would pay more in taxes. People are suffering pointlessly.

>>131451883
That's just a normalized form of antisocial disorder m8. Not progress.

>>131451395
i don't know if its a slide thread, but to answer the question they are halfway in the right. they want a raise to deal with inflation not knowing raising the minimum wage would dramatically increase inflation. in the 60s the dollar was dramatically more powerful, and 35$ a week got you a place to live, more food than you can eat, and enough to go out on the weekend on.

what they really want, and need is for the economy to increase the power of the american dollar again.

>>131452119
this chart would be a lot more impactful if it went from the 50s to the current day.

>>131451395
Nigga. I earn that working 12 hours a day. I wish that were me.

when the fuck is the mc rib coming back? ive been waiting for like 2 years

>>131452119
Hmmm, what could possibly be the delineation between these two groups? Perhaps some intervention into the market?

>>131452119
>If I ate fast food garbage like most burgers, I would be willing to pay extra for my """meal""" to support their wages.
It is not my duty to support latawns drug addiction or maria's welfare babies. I just want to eat my fucking burger.

>>131451395
She looks lovely, and such a welcoming smile. I love her! C'mon McDonalds give the poor dear a living wage.

>>131452217
whatever, they can never give you the correct information, what is their use?
>I need 1 inch to 3/4 inch reducer
>ehhh, try your luck at amazon?

>>131451395
to be fair, wages SHOULD be going up, across the board. but the way things are now, just raising wages wont fix anything, because then the cost rises again.

we need to tackle the inflation somehow, and deal with the industrial sector thats been leaking out of the country for the past 20 years

why can't they just ask for a raise?
they're probably already getting $11 an hour

>>131451395
The supply of better employees increases with higher wages. People who do something else for the money would consider working in food service instead.
Are you just a complete nigger, or only half one?

>>131451883
Go to better hardware stores. At my local ACE there is always a knowledgeable dyke on staff.

>>131452382
>they want a raise to deal with inflation not knowing raising the minimum wage would dramatically increase inflation
Are you being paid not to recognize that the increase in inflation would be less than their increase in wages, or are you just a kissless virgin on sumer break protecting the upper-class management job to which you are entitled? Either way, why are you not killing yourself?

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>>131452119
>Healthcare and college tuition prices rising above the rate of normal inflation.
>Food and housing prices raising at the normal expected rate of inflation.
>Cars, furniture, clothing, cell phones, and tvs are all getting better, cheaper, and more efficient.

Gee whiz, I wonder which of these industries are heavily subisized by government spending....

>>131452382
You do know that 'raising the value of the dollar' =/= deflation, right? Massive deflation is something that kills nations, quite literally. Even Bananna republic style hyperinflation is preferable to a deflationary death spiral.

>>131451395
I history my ass everyday doing electrical construction, have been for 2 and a half years and I can't even make 12 why the fuck should they?

>>131452119
Absolutely this. Federal minimum wage needs to be adjusted proportional to inflation, otherwise you're needlessly penalizing low wage workers in terms of purchasing power.

>>131453138
Any society that wants to thrive takes on the burden of its poor and unfortunate, prevents their suffering when possible. You think that apathy is the solution to our demographic problems, but that's exactly how (((they))) made the entire situation worse, and why the DNC has a gibs-sustained voting bloc. They are poor, unintelligent and without a future or hope of escape. So they spend their time fucking, pumping more Jamals into this world and doing drugs instead of doing productive things that they are capable of, even if it's just preparing your already cheap piece of shit disgusting quarter pounder of soybeef and your dollar menu items, faggot.

>>131453236
That's due to shitty laws, shitty managers and the (((female independence))) meme. Not a product of a lack of automation.

>>131453771
Really makes you think...

>>131454220
>you're needlessly penalizing low wage workers in terms of purchasing power.

Thats how it would work in a system that functions in a logical manner.

Consumers, however, are illogical niggers.

>Expect stagnant wages to reduce purchasing power.
>The opposite is actually happening, with retarded millennials buying a new Samsung Galaxy or iPhone every 6 months.
>They're actually foregoing their basic necessities like food and rent money to buy more toys, because they know daddy government will pick up the slack

>>131453705
>Are you being paid not to recognize that the increase in inflation would be less than their increase in wages,

you're a real idiot. go home shareblue.

>>131453818
>You do know that 'raising the value of the dollar' =/= deflation, right? Massive deflation is something that kills nations,

idiots are out in force, fixing the dollar so it returns to its original strength in the 1960s would benefit america, not kill it.

>>131452119
Then do it nigger. Nobody here is stopping you.

>>131454316
>Any society that wants to thrive takes on the burden of its poor and unfortunate, prevents their suffering when possible. DNC has a gibs-sustained voting bloc. They are poor, unintelligent and without a future or hope of escape. So they spend their time fucking, pumping more Jamals into this world and doing drugs instead of doing productive things that they are capable of, even if it's just preparing your already cheap piece of shit disgusting quarter pounder of soybeef and your dollar menu items, faggot.

And by raising costs, you're shooting yourself in the foot.
>Cost for McShitburger goes up.
>Demand for McShitburger goes down proportionally.
>Cannot hire any more niggers to work at McShitters because of decreased product demand.

People don't eat this trash because it tastes great and is healthy for you.

They eat it because it's on the dollar menu.

>>131452119
Waiting for the "PER CAPITA" fag to make an appearance. The one that starts losing arguments and changes the rules to win the game.

>>131451395

>white person
>mcdonalds

pick one

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>>131454578
>Thats how it would work in a system that functions in a logical manner

Proportions of inflation set to exploit the poor and working class for the sake of inflating our debt economy and fiat currency, compounded with usury and market protections for a predatory financial sector is... logical?

>>131455020
>Cost for McShitburger goes up.

I'm fine with that.

>Demand for McShitburger goes down proportionally.

I'm fine with that.

>Cannot hire any more niggers to work at McShitters because of decreased product demand.

Essential staff will continue to be employed, and merit-based employment will help with efficiency and quality. Production will continue at a rate that isn't inflated by the exploitation of the poor, and will remain competitive.

This is a lot like those dairy farmers who're bitching about Trump's immigration policy, because they don't have Mexicans to exploit anymore. So now, they have to pay a white man a reasonable wage to do hard labor. And they can only milk their GMO/antibiotic crammed cows 3 times a day, instead of 4. It's a regular tragedy of the market. I don't know how I'll fucking cope.

>>131453392

>Wages SHOULD be going up

[Citation needed]

>>131454316
The solution to people like i described are a quick trip to the oven.

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>>131455923
>Proportions of inflation set to exploit the poor and working class for the sake of inflating our debt economy and fiat currency, compounded with usury and market protections for a predatory financial sector is... logical?

Yes faggot. there is absolutely nothing more rational than acting in self-interest, if there is no God, or no supreme moral authority.

>>131455923
>Essential staff will continue to be employed, and merit-based employment will help with efficiency and quality.

I think you mean essential robots.

>>131456112
Well... I'm not going to argue with that. But, just being realistic anon, we need legitimate solutions to actual problems.

>>131456286
People I argue with usually don't resort to fedora tier shit posting quite this fast. I think you've just set a new record anon.

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>>131456771
>People I argue with
You're not even arguing, your entire premise is "muh feels"

>ITS NOT FAIR THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE POOR WE NEED TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR BAD DECISIONS EVEN MORE SO IT CAN BE FAIR

okay bud

>>131452119
There are stories behind some of these categories that are significant.
>TVs
The digital switchover, the ramping up of LCD production.
>Cellphone service
The majority of the price drops occurred during the dotcom boom.
>software
Competition from free/open source software, the apps boom.
>childcare
The end of "welfare as we know it" increased demand for someone to take care of the kids while the parent(s) are at work.
>healthcare
Intellectual muh property, patents, increased denbts from see below
>college tuition
The shift from public funding for higher education to an individual denbt-based model.
>textbooks
Captive audiences.

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>>131451395

>>131451395
In the U.S. alone, same-store sales increased by 5.7%. McDonald's net income for the quarter surged to $1.21 billion, or $1.31 per share. Compare that to the fourth quarter of 2014, when earnings stood at $1.1 billion, or $1.13 per share.

1.21 billion dollar profit in one quarter is kinda proof THEY COULD let a little of that float to the bottom.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mcdonald-ceo-368-pay-raise-article-1.2603689
CEO gets a 368% pay raise???

>>131453966
How does it affect you?

>>131457405
I hate the materialist US, filthy judaized subhumans attributing vakue to exploiting goyim, destroying all social unity.

>>131457273

>who will do slave work without the slaves?

Said every democrat since before the civil war.

>>131453236
>1" to 3/4" reducer
>Not 25mm to 20mm
I suspect your not who your flag says you are "Hans?

>>131457139
Your arguing that raising the minimum wage will magically make McDonalds automated. They've tried it and failed. If they could've done it they already they would have because they're one of the biggest companies in the world.

>How dare these people be able to pay their bills and buy groceries
>I do my job 100% correct all the time, with zero mistakes

Kill yourself OP, you're human garbage. Keep on blaming the poor when it's the rich robbing us blind every single day.

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>>131451395
10 DOLLARS AN HR?!!

WTF DO THEY NEED 8 DOLLARS AN HR FOR?

>>131457902
Australia has no automated.

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The problem is people associate hard labor with hard skills.

When I worked at Mcdonalds it was some of the hardest physical work Ive done. In the drive-though the AC barely worked and it gets 116F here in the summer. Yet it required no special skills.

The person who made this image is obviously buttmad. Most jobs that require you entering data also require you coordinating a lot of other things, and you can't just pull anyone off the street to do those things.

>>131458120
Because abos will steal the computers so they can huff the magic smoke inside of them

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>>131454578
>le avocado toast

the only dipshits able to buy a new smartphone every six months are those with disposable income. Most people on newer phones are getting them through yearly or biyearly upgrades on their cell phone service contracts, at a hefty markup for the provider since the poors lack the ability to outright buy the phone and avoid getting jewed.

If you have the money to buy a good solid pair of boots then they'll last you years and years. If you need to settle for bottom self cheap shit from some subpar shithole they'll fall apart in half a year and you need to get another pair. That sort of shit hasn't changed in a hundred plus years of industrialization.

>>131457139
>You're not even arguing, your entire premise is "muh feels"

No. It's reason. Also empathy is not a logically worthless facet, especially regarding social structure and how to consider the ends of things. It's difficult to determine social ends without it. You have obviously failed.

>>ITS NOT FAIR THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE POOR WE NEED TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR BAD DECISIONS EVEN MORE SO IT CAN BE FAIR

This is a deflection of my arguments, none of which had nothing to do with any sort of government re-distribution of wealth faggot.

>>131457561
I have to deal with goyim cattle like this daily anon.

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>>131454316
>Any society that wants to thrive takes on the burden of its poor and unfortunate
No they don't.
That's a massive claim unsupported by historical evidence. Most examples of "thriving" societies in history couldn't give a flying fuck about there poor, and still thrived. Societies tend to only start "caring about the poor" when they are in a downward spiral at the end of the cycle.

Didn't read the rest of your unsubstantiated bleeding heart gobbledygook.

>>131451395
If their wages had kept up with the inflation rate it would be over 12 dollars an hour now.
Kinda makes you wonder where all that money is going to. (((hint)))

>>131458500
*anything not nothing.

This is a little off topic, but is McDonald's related. Here I am in Mexifornia, and this morning a young, smiling white girl in braces handed me my coffee and breakfast in the drive thru. Seeing that actually weirded me out.

>>131458222

kek, I basically get paid $32.50 an hour for monotonous excel spreadsheet filling.

>>131451395
Even though it would make sense to up their wages in a world where computers didn't exist, we live in a world where computers exist, as such, upping their wages would only speed up the automation process.

>>131458678
>thinks automation can't and shouldn't be taxed
You are a cuck of the highest order, thinking that the precious feels of corporations are more important than humans.

>>131458500
>This is a deflection of my arguments, none of which had nothing to do with any sort of government re-distribution of wealth faggot.

>Paying somebody more than the market value for their labor isn't wealth redistribution

hahahahaha

>>131458725
What? You can't tax machines. You can tax the companies, but honestly, unless you're taxing them upwards of thirty percent or some shit, it's not going to stop them from using machines instead of people, since machines will be cheap unless the tax is ludicrously high.

its not like they ever get the orders right anyway so who cares
same for starbucks

>>131458618
>Hispanics make less than blacks
This is the real messed up part. When do we end black privilege?

>>131458618
>people with higher education make more money
Really kibbles my bits.

>>131458725
>mcd automates
>another compsny rehires the people in new restuarant
>mcd is known as an anti worker organization

>>131458725
>You are a cuck of the highest order, thinking that the precious feels of corporations are more important than humans.

You seem to be falsely conflating moral value with economic value.

In the marketplace, the only value you have is the value of the goods or services you offer.

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>>131451395
>They can't even get the orders right and forget things!!
They are already being replaced by computerized kiosks here, which are just better at the job.

Option 1, with a person at the cash register:
>I have to communicate my order
>Some retard has to type it into the register, getting it wrong half the time
>The order is then sent to the kitchen

Option 2, with a kiosk:
>I have to communicate my order
>The order is then sent to the kitchen

It's literally just cutting out an unnecessary part of the process that is prone to mistakes. All they have to do is make the kiosks accept cash (easy retrofit, I see vending machines all over that do this).

>>131458920
There's more women graduates than men now fampai
>inb4 well they're studying lgbtbbq instead of the stem meme

>>131451395
Hello Fatty Burgerclap. Cook your own food

>>131458520
>bleeding heart

Top kek. Couldn't be further from it anon. And it's a basic truth, especially about population control. Look at Rome for instance, grain reserves for the poor, birth control, public access to clean drinking water, affordable housing, bread and circuses, etc... All to stop retards from fucking, killing each other and preserve social order.

That's not to say that our modern gibs system is not a cluster fuck horror show. It needs to be restructured, to avoid further dysgenic and political consequences. To not confront these realities is the epitome of bluepilled. Our biological factors are much worse than ancient Rome's. But we are also better equipped to solve these problems. And if we don't, it will be whites in the future who pay the price. Just like we are now, from our forefathers emotionally-driven mistakes.

>>131458829
If it was profitable to do it would have been done, meanwhile it is not automated and those workers should have higher pay for their work.

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>>131459135
I hate you judaized subhumans I will never dhare snything eith filthy foreigners who are foreign to my morality, fuck the USA, authoritariwn aryan moral state when?

>>131459199
It's not done fully yet because it isn't profitable yet, are you reading what I'm saying?

It's not profitable as of right now because the wages for workers are still low enough that it's worth using people instead of machines.

That being said, if you were to up workers' wages, it would make automation happen much faster.

>>131458790
>>Paying somebody more than the market value for their labor isn't wealth redistribution

Their wages have been artificially deflated through a system that hasn't kept up with the inflation of the USD, and usury is imposed on them on top of this, as I've stated already. This while cost of living has increased for many basic human needs. You've provided no legitimate rebuttal to any of the points I've made.

>>131459087
LGBT
Lettuce Ground Beef Tomato

>>131459407
Meanwhile it is not, and so while workers are working they will work for higher wages.

You filthy chinks and kikes are not wrlcone.

>>131459400
What are you criticizing about the post?

>>131451395
autistic millennial transwoman - LOLZ

>>131451395
Having a minimum wage is the same as having a minimum price on anything.

>>131459711
There is no criticism you are a subhuman and I will share mothi g with you, have fun with whatever service or production youre employed at, your currency will have 0 trade value to me.

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They'll hopefully be replaced my automated burger making and kiosks soon. 12/hr just means automation makes more sense.

>>131459855
You having a stroke m8?

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>Hordes of unskilled workers clamor for a higher minimum wage
>Finally get law passed
>Businesses realize they're better off just hiring fewer, more skilled workers
>Unskilled workers either get fired or have their hours reduced to the point where they aren't actually making more money

Increasing the minimum wage is a meme.

>>131454578
This is often said, but simply is not true. The vastest majority of those that buy newer electronics such as iphone either buy them at cheap prices, or on lease at a marginal markup comparatively speaking. The fact of the matter is that costs of living and sources of debt have skyrocketed. Of course there are retards that spend too much on frivolities, but what else is there to do for the masses when they have no money or foreseeable future, with only enough of their paltry earnings left to afford them some cheap form of entertainment? Certainly they cannot use it to afford a better style of living, at least on a grand scale as compared on the singular level.

>>131459658
Ok. That was funny

>>131459921
It means I will not share a state or economic system with you, do you understand kike?

>>131458829
>You can't tax machines
>You can tax the companies
Pedantic but sort of correct. You can require companies to calculate and file the cost saving from machinery by SIC code replaced, and pay a tax on that, or you could charge them an alternative payroll tax based on how many people a given machine replaces. You can exclude them from deduction, such as capex and depreciation, which under current US tax laws amounts to a 15-30% surtax. You can even discriminate among companies with a maximum deduction or other preference to allow smaller companies to thrive.
The tax code has all sorts of gimmicks to encourage various business practices and initiatives. It's only a matter of the ruling class having the will to let themselves be challenged.

>>131459135
>"Rome sets my liberal heart aflutter"
Did you read the part about:
>Societies tend to only start "caring about the poor" when they are in a downward spiral at the end of the cycle.
Rome's "bread and circuses" was a bad thing, that's why it carries horrible connotations. It occurred towards the "end of the cycle" for Rome, and most historians believe it is largely responsible for the collapse of the Western Roman empire. It's not something we should emulate.
>All to stop retards from fucking, killing each other and preserve social order.
lol, no. It was all to secure patricians political power. Just like the DNC is doing now. Romans still killed eachother, rioted, and fucked like animals.


Your whole argument so far amounts to: "The gibs system is bad, we should reform it and give out more gibs!" You should just save yourself the cognitive dissonance and vote democrat at this point.

>>131460045
Who wants you? I don't.

>>131451395

Uh, OP, they want $15/hr, get it right!

MUH LIVING WAGE IS NEEDED TO COMPENSATE FOR MUH POOR LIFE CHOICES BECAUSE I SAY SO

>>131460102
Actually, shit, this is a good point. Fair enough then, it's still worrying though that people will be out of work, even with this disincentive, a lot of companies are still likely to use machines since they're more precise than a human, guaranteed, they might just go with the slightly more expensive, but objectively better option at that point.

>>131451395
How much does Chick-fil-a and Culvers and In-n-out and shake shack pay? Their employees are at least cordial and clean-cut, generally.

Mcdonalds and burger king and taco bell employees all look like weed or meth addict slobs

You either pay them fairly or they'll either 1. Be on welfare costing tax payers what their living wage would be anyway 2. Be unemployed costing tax payers 2x what a living wage costs 3. Criminal costing tax payers 4x what a living wage would cost. It's patently retarded to be against a living wage except in the case where you actually own and profit from a business that requires you hire defacto slaves. That's not really the case though. Usually the people complaining make just a little bit more than what these people are asking and get jealous because they think they're more deserving. Idiots saying "keep the poor poor and the rich rich... Just don't touch my 40k a year stagnant wages that'll soon be nothing thanks to inflation. Fuck you all.

>>131460508
>Chick-fil-a
Thanks, now I'm hard.

I think it's a bit more than McDonald's, and is reflected in the quality and service.

>>131455889
If you live in an area that isn't infested with negroes or Mexicans you'll actually find white people working at fast food places. My local McDonalds is 100% white and the service there is better than some of the full-service restaurants I used to frequent further south.

Coincidentally pay there starts at $13/hr despite the state minimum wage being $8/hr.

>>131458725
>>131458829
>>131460102
>>131460361
I'm going to bed, but, my company is highly automated. I've replaced 30 workers this year with machines. People don't show up, they are lazy, they sue you over nothing, fuck 'em. Tax wise I've gotten nothing but benefits and just met with my R&D tax credit guy this year who said corporate tax is probably going to drop another 10%.

>>131460508
>"A Chick-fil-A team member typically starts out earning just above minimum wage. The average pay for a Chick-fil-A team member ranges from $8.00 to $9.00 an hour. Pay rates for a Chick-fil-A team member may increase over time. Experienced team members may earn $10.00 to $12.00 per hour."
Chick fill A website.

Most likely reason for why there crew members are better and more presentable is because the corporate office tries to ensure that the franchise owners of the stores are christians as well, and push good values. Trickle down morality in a sense.

>>131453705
Fucking this finally. Sure inflation occurs but not proprotionallt to buying power. This increases velocity of money and means a stronger economy.

>>131460181
Good I do not want you.

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When it comes to the $15/hr wage, I'd feel rather cheated if such a thing was enacted as I've put over a decade at Walmart and make nearly as much as that.

>>131460124
>Rome's "bread and circuses" was a bad thing, that's why it carries horrible connotations.
So you're accepting the fact that it did exist, far before collapse? Gotcha.

>It occurred towards the "end of the cycle" for Rome, and most historians believe it is largely responsible for the collapse of the Western Roman empire. It's not something we should emulate.
>lol, no. It was all to secure patricians political power
Stop making shit up as you go m8. It's not a good look. History is not a Ridley Scott movie. The games alone started centuries before the Pax Romana. So you don't have to google what the Pax Romana was, it was a long fucking time before the collapse of the western empire, no matter what the historians told you (kek).

>Just like the DNC is doing now. Romans still killed eachother, rioted, and fucked like animals.
The DNC is propping up the debt economy and obstructing social order. They do this because it's more efficient to their ends. It's how they maintain (sometimes) useful voting blocs.


>Your whole argument so far amounts to: "The gibs system is bad, we should reform it and give out more gibs!"
You should read the thread, if you've come to that conclusion. Because you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

>>131460361
>a lot of companies are still likely to use machines since they're more precise than a human, guaranteed
Sure, CNC is a thing, no doubt.
Machines don't do so well in other, more subjective tasks, or if they do, it costs a lot of money. Not all competition is based on price. People may well prefer that a human barista make their latte instead of a machine.

>>131460798
What sort of business? And why do you believe that your tax advantages can't be retroed right out of existence by a government who is more sympathetic to workers who didn't ask to be put here?

>>131460846

>trickle down

most pol users read that and completely ignored what you said bud, but i get it

>>131461051
I think people who spend over 5 years at any company should be automatically given 15 and hour. It's not like GloboCorp. couldn't afford it.

From my understanding, they literally structure their employees' pay around them living on social aid. HOW THE FUCKING FUCK DOES THAT WORK, when they get so many damn tax incentives.

>>131461091
>The DNC is propping up the debt economy
Naturally. Their main consistency is Wall Street.
>and obstructing social order.
Whose social order? Is this some Jordan Peterson dominance fetishism thing?
>They do this because it's more efficient to their ends. It's how they maintain (sometimes) useful voting blocs.
I agree that, if they paid poor people enough to reach escape velocity, that they would have nothing left to sell. That isn't how social order works, of course.

>>131452119
>>131451395
I know what you mean op, the workers here are a good example of this.
>Working 12 hours every day in one job
>Month payment ~= 85$ dollars. Taxes not Included
>To live you need at least 150$ dollars
Teachers, doctors, and many more workers here are starving.

>Paying for obligatory retirement, 11% of the salary for each public job (work for the government)
>Shitty 20% retirement salary, literally 20% of all your contributions
Retired people are eating excrement with both hands because of this horrible socialist system.

>>131461051
yikes. you should have a college degree and be a manager by now, kiddo

>>131451395
They are too dumb to fill an order, you expect them to grasp economics?

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>>131461576
Community college is $10k a year in my state. I don't have a GED or anything and I'm too old to start from the absolute bottom.

>>131461495
>Naturally. Their main consistency is Wall Street.
That's what I was getting at.
>Whose social order? Is this some Jordan Peterson dominance fetishism thing?
Western social order. Law and order, due process, not making political hysteria a social mainstay, not exploiting racial tensions to cover the shittiness of your ideology, not actively trying to purge constitutional rights, not shilling for a predatory financial sector, not actively working towards the cultural and ethnic destruction of western countries. Basic shit of that nature, really.

>>131451395
They are going to get 15 up here fucking leaf land.

>>131461613
I don't understand why people parrot this stuff. You care to explain how a company that's recording 1.2 billion dollar profits in 1 quarter, and giving it's CEO a 368% raise wouldn't "spread" the wealth some what?
>>131457283
>"it's cheaper to go to automation"
You understand that there's a law preventing publicly traded companies from making any decisions that could hurt their stock? If automation were the cheaper trick, it'd would have been implemented. But the thing about the automation meme, is that someone has to keep up with the stuff, updates, etc.

>>131461954
Have you heard of the Pell Grant?

As a consumer, I decide if the hamburger meal is worth the price charged. Same with a product at Walmart et al.
If the item is too expensive, I GO ELSEWHERE. Every HONEST consumer would agree.
If a business boost the rate to $15, $20, $30 per hour and jack's the hamburger price way up, the consumer doesn't buy it!
So the business owner must LAY OFF workers and force the remaining highly paid worker to do TWICE the work. OR the better solution is to AUTOMATE the process eliminating the job all together.
Now the once highly pad worker is UNEMPLOYED.
Sorry to drop reality on your snowflake heads.

>>131463099
Exactly, the automation meme is, at this time, an idle threat to keep labor from demanding its due.

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>>131453771
This

>>131463099
Also, the "shareholder value" theory is a meme, too. The fiduciary duty of executives is to the company, not the stockholders.

>People going into fast food as their first job and not retail

Never understood why people are so retarded.

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>>131464293
Fuck I want her!

I wonder if most liberals are aware of why wages have stagnated in recent decades relative to productivity? It's simply supply and demand. The supply of labor increased and therefore demand (and value) for that labor decreased. In the 70's the baby boomer generation, the largest on record, came of age and entered the work force. This excess in supply depressed wages. Families countered this decrease in income by having wives-mothers go to work en mass for the first time. This decreased the value of labor even further. Now in the 21st century wages continue to slide because of illegal immigration...among other factors.

>>131464353
>the "shareholder value" theory is a meme, too.
The share/stock is direct value allotted by future projections of company progress. Why they are referred to as futures.

>The fiduciary duty of executives is to the company
The company being the stock.

>>131464255
multiple digits that are like other digits- of truth.

>>131453771

Food and housing are still rising at a rate far higher than inflation, or am I not reading that chart correctly?

>>131451395
fucking retards want a 'service economy'.. well guess what? that doesn't pay well for most of those jobs. I make plastic beer cups and started at $23 and now I'm at $30/hr... for watching a machine run. Keep your min wage jobs if that's all you aspire to do.

>>131457273
democrats always cling to their slaves

>>131451395
Because if you close McDonald's 80% of America's population will die in two weeks.

>>131457273
i thought they were supposed to be future doctors and businessmen?

>>131464776
>The company being the stock.
The economics profession is turning away from that forced meme. The value of the company's public offerings are at best a weak proxy for the value of the company itself as a going concern. Projections, lel.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/235275666_Shareholder_value_debunked
http://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2311&context=facpub

>>131464716
but thats the thing. the money makers love cheap labor for it hordes more profits to them.

The boomer generation the CEO would make 300% more than the average worker today the CEO males 3,000% more than the average worker.

but if bootlickers want to blame women and immigrants, you are doing your CEO proud as he looks to replace you

>>131451395
no one should make $15/hr for something a literal retard could do

>>131458222
>When I worked at Mcdonalds it was some of the hardest physical work Ive done
try throwing 100lb hay bales onto a wagon for 14 hours a day like I did when I was in high school.

>>131451395
Who cares in 10 years it'll be robots doing their jobs and all the poor will die.

>>131465389
>when I was in high school.
How many years did you get left back that work permits didn't apply to you?

>>131452119
The problem your graph shows is that College is a scam. It provides a VERY comfortable life style for professors and administrators and they don't give a fuck if you find employment or end up in debt you'll spend a lifetime paying back!
Because of the powerful teachers Union and lobbying, no one dares speaking the truth about over priced college Ed. If young people STOP going to college, getting a trade instead, those fuckers would be forced to reduce their cost of tuition.

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>>131451395
I thought they wanted $15. Don't worry their replacements are coming soon!

>>131464249
>As a consumer, I decide if the hamburger meal is worth the price charged. Same with a product at Walmart et al.
>If the item is too expensive, I GO ELSEWHERE. Every HONEST consumer would agree.
You're comparing things within the same price range, and it's "political" stances have literally been used a marketing tactic. If a "cheap" product was your true goal, you stay at home and make your own burger meal.

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>>131457672
ooooooo busteeedddd

Can anybody explain to me why currencies fluctuate relative to each other, or rather why it matters that such and such currency is strong relative to another and so on?

I don't really understand like, it doesn't matter if a hamburger costs 2 shekels or 7 quid if I'm still making 4 shekels an hour or 14 quid an hour, what matters is the price of things relative to each other, why does the units of measurement matter?

And to be clear I know that it DOES matter, otherwise we wouldn't have people worrying about inflation or deflation, I just don't get why, I'm missing something here

>>131465316
I don't deny that policy makers have catered to the interests of CEO's and a handful of corporate types for decades. In fact there's a serious policy divide in the GOP between the establishment Chamber of Commerce wing and the populist fair trade and anti-immigrant wing of the party. It's also not well reported, but there's a similar divide in the Democratic party as well. Most democrats do want to stop illegal immigration (despite Hillary's desperation not to use the term) and reorient the balance of trade.

>>131465300
Thanks for the links. You remind me old /pol/.

>>131451395
You get what you pay for.

>>131460635
why is it that you economic wizards never open a business and pay $20/hr? I mean come one, you are so smart, why not do it?

>>131465829
No problem, and cheers to you m8.

>>131466067
Because the economic system wants a class of dependent serfs and won't pay us to elevate anyone to compete with them or be independent of them. Have you forgotten already that the financial class controls all the money and, directly or indirectly, where it goes?
Smart people don't want anything to do with this testosterone-drenched bullshit. They want socialism.

>>131461460
>I think people who spend over 5 years at any company should be automatically given 15 and hour
I think that people that accept a low paying job should expect low pay. NOBODY forces them to take it.

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>>131464212
Don't i have to be full time to receive such grants? I already work 50 hours a week and I lack Trump-tier stamina.

anybody who thinks they should be able to make a living off flipping burgers is a fucking idiot, McDonald's is a job for retards, old people and high school kids.

>>131463099
because they OWN it, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. YOU can do the same.

>>131451395
Daily reminder this argument applies to Trumpets who want to be paid "high wages" for doing shitty blue collar work.

>>131452119
This, spbp

>>131466485
>I think that people that accept a low paying job should expect low pay. NOBODY forces them to take it.
You, personally, force them to take it, by removing their options for making a living outside the monetary system.

>>131461954
how old are you?

>>131464249
my local Subway, and there is only one, decided to pay $12/hr. 5 months later they closed.

>>131466998
How the hell does Subway make money in the first place? I guess half of them are fronts for something else.

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>>131466343
I'll drench you in testosterone you sexy little nigger faggot.

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>>131466912
Mid 30s.

>>131466485
>No one forces them to take it.
So, you're saying that their other "options" are possibly better than the one they took?

Could you possibly begin to admit that GloboCorp. is taking advantage of people at entry level job levels?

Someone that has been at a job for 5 years deserves to be fairly compensated. The reason they were at that job for 5 years is because the company was making money off of them in the first place. That employee help to create a surplus quarter after quarter.

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>>131461954
wtf you didn't even graduate high school? are you a nigger?

>>131467147
4 year degree takes 6-8 years part time

i bet youd be happier if you started from the bottom today and graduated in your early 40s than you would still working grocery.

good luck m8

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>>131451395
>make outrageous thread
>get 200+ replies
>SLIDE DAT SHIT XDDD
thank you mister ''1(one) post by this ID''

They don't "forget" things in your order they steal them to eat themselves or take home and eat or feed to their 10 goblin spawns.

>>131466343
>Have you forgotten already that the financial class controls all the money and, directly or indirectly, where it goes?
do they? who decides how many customers I get for my bumpers I build in my garage and sell on Ebay? A couple hrs a night is worth over $1k a week. That isn't even my job. I have another job simply for health insurance and 401k.

If they dont get jobs they'll turn to crime

>>131451395

At the end of the day, this push for <$15/h for what amounts to labor a 12 y/o could do serves these totally ghey purposes:

1. It greatly reduces the amount of low-paying and entry-level jobs as they are replaced with automation.
2. In doing so, it removes the ability to "be productive" from a huge segment of society, aka the mentally challenged, minorities, and work-ahe children.
3. In doing so, it increases the amount of angry mob-type people who want teh gibs, aka, not mentally challenged and not working-age children.
4. It fosters a belief in the "living wage" fallacy where people just get money for nothing b/c "teh computers terk ar jerbs!"
5. See 2 thru 4, wash, rinse, repeat.

This entire effort is a ploy to push the "basic living income" idea that is anathema in the US. lern2werk, you filthy hippies, commies, and munts.

>>131466909
>You, personally, force them to take it, by removing their options for making a living outside the monetary system.
how do I prevent them from buying a weed whacker and cheap lawn mower and making $400/day doing simple lawn work?

>>131452119
Anyone with half a brain can make more than minimum wage. People working for minimum wage are stupid and/or lazy

>>131468087
>do they? who decides how many customers I get for my bumpers I build in my garage and sell on Ebay
I don't think you should be asking how many customers, but how much you sell them for.

>>131468329

Does society require a class of minimum wage workers? Or is it possible for there to be nobody working for minimum wage if we manage to solve the problem of people being stupid and/or lazy?

>>131467198
you seem to think every job is from GloboCorp.
The HUGE business I work at has 9 people including the owner.

>>131468087
>I have another job simply for health insurance and 401k.
See, in civilized countries you would have an old-age pension not subject to being """"""lost"""""" by Wall Street, and you would have single-payer health care. You could be your own man, with the help of all of us, rather than be tied to some waste of time.

>>131468241
>how do I prevent them from buying a weed whacker and cheap lawn mower
First of all, with what? Second, there is a limited market for that sort of work.

>>131468470
>Does society require a class of minimum wage workers
Capitalist societies require a poverty class to keep the indebted middle class sucking oligarch cock and not siding with the poor.

>>131458618
I for one welcome my future Han and Nippon overlords. End affirmative action now and let those with Virtue rule us.

>>131468397
>I don't think you should be asking how many customers, but how much you sell them for.
$350 for plain, $400 with shackle attachments.
they can be bought cheaper in many places but I build mine heavier and stronger. If I sold any more I would have to open a legit shop and hire people to keep up with demand. I'm already on a 2 week turnaround.

>>131453236
>Deutschland
>not using the metric system

lol, k

>>131466343
>(((financial class)))
ftfy

>>131458949
>McD automates
>No more rude spics spit in and steal my food and stare at me and judge my autism.
>McD takes over the food world over night.
Go home but mad Antifa Mcshit worker antifa leaf fag hiding behind a nazi flag.

>>131468954
>See, in civilized countries you would have an old-age pension
i 100% know that I'd rather have my own investments to retire on than a gibs program that have you living in poverty.

>>131468954
>Second, there is a limited market for that sort of work.
no there isn't.. grass always grows

>>131468530
and your point?

If you're boss was pulling in 2,000,000,000 a quarter, would it not behoove him to give you a raise?

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>>131460949
kill yourself you fucking faggot, I fucking hate people like you.

>hurr durr hitler would kill the weak and poor in his country

actually that is the exact opposite of the end ideal of his perfect world, he wanted all of his countrymen to be well taken care of, even to the lowest of them, so you can fuck right off with your fake nazi bullshit.
beyond that, you sound drunk or high, or you can't spell, either way you're a fucking nigger who deserves nothing more then a good gassing.

>>131459484
None of those things have anything to do with McDonalds. You're asking for more government regulations when every when of those problems you've listed stems directly from the government.

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>>131467218
I ended up homeless months before I was supposed to graduate. I had no dreams/goals nor the upfront money for other education anyways when i was 18, and still dont.

>>131467301
If my chest pains are any indication, I doubt I'll make it 5 more years famalam.

What are these workers like in burger land?
In Britain McDonald's workers are literally borderline vegetables
If you wanted to make an argument for eugenics, a good place to start would be McDonald's

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>>131461495
goddamn either you're two 10 year olds posting at the same time, or you have no consistency in your arguments, either way, read a fucking book you goddamn idiot.

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>>131451395
WHHHHHAAAAAAAT
WUT????
I thought $15 meant order in bag correct... burger and fry.

>>131469391
>If you're boss was pulling in 2,000,000,000 a quarter, would it not behoove him to give you a raise?
why would it? I'm sure some retard would take my job for min wage.

>>131469222
>your own investments
kek. Actually, you're only able to choose broad asset classes, and (((someone else))) chooses where you get to put that money.

>>131469296
>no there isn't.. grass always grows
And I can cut it my damn self. This is an 18+ board.

>>131469661
Mixed bag. Some know how to take an order, some don't. I've found pretty consistently that black people don't like taking special orders from whitey.

>>131469727
>doesn't know about poster ids
Lurk more, faggot.

>>131460045
found the poo

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>>131451395
I work light and sound board at my high school and I get paid 10$ do you see me bitching? who do these fuckers think they are?

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>>131469661
My local poison pushers are friendly and efficient. When they are off work, the fillins are lazy rude and put muffin, small hash brown for burger / fry WUTTHEFUGG?

>>131451395
Give the managers a higher wage IF anything because they have to put up with such shitty employees. But they're not much better themselves.

Only McDonalds workers that deserve good money in my experience are the Japanese workers because Japanese customer service is top notch even at a shitty mcdonalds in bumfukku nowherudo. Difference is, they're also smart enough to realize that they aren't supposed to work there after high school and they're supposed to go to school or find a real job.

>>131452119
Chart inadvertently proves a current day college "education" is grossly overvalued.

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>>131469890

I have your ID highlighted now, fuck. your Id looks to much like this guys at a glance. >>131465389

sorry mate.

>>131469890
>And I can cut it my damn self. This is an 18+ board.
sure thing man. I only mentioned lawns because that's what my neighbor does. He started by himself and now has a crew of 20 idiots working for him. He's making good money.

>>131461536
Come migrate here legally my (white) brother you can help us build our big beautiful solar wall. Germans used to ride the trains out of the big cities to forage in the wilderness during the hard times wish I could shoot a rabbit and teleport it to you we've got lots of jack rabbits.

>>131458222
>>131458634
This makes me mad.

Engineer. In hanger with 600 other people. Literally the only one that can program VBA, write in a multitude of languages, exceptional with excel/access/.NET framework, and I have mechanical engineering work on top of it.

$35 p/h

mad/10

>>131469792
because you helped to generate a 2 bil. profit.

>>131469592

How the fug do you still work for wally world, i did 6 months and wanted to shoot up the place ;o

>>131465391
you must be ripped senpai

>>131461536
Sadly the US is following you down the same path because we have millions of niggers and Mexican spics voting socialist for the gibmedats.

>>131470527
a profit sharing percentage wasn't in my contract. You are free to try for that though. good luck unless you are an investor.

>go to maccas
>order a medium coke with no ice and nothing else
>get a medium coke with ice
i wanted to shoot the place up so badly

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>>131457283
NO GOY WE CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY WORKERS

>>131469592
>If my chest pains are any indication, I doubt I'll make it 5 more years famalam.
I'm all for those that work should get healthcare, but damn senpai, even if you work in walmart, you should receive a decent healthcare. It's those cunts without jobs and nigs that we all hate.

Don't keel over just yet, the world needs people that can post as articulated as you.

>>131470580
>you must be ripped senpai
used to be.. that was years ago. Now typical burger fat.

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>>131452119
>If I was in the top 1%
Filthy peasant.

>>131465257
This. They raised the wage once and it didn't do too much damage even though some hours were cut so it was hardly an increase but when they made the massive raise even Dershowitz said it was a horrible idea and the poor workers ended up with less take home pay because of cut hours. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-23/something-unexpected-happened-when-seattle-raised-minimum-wage?page=7
The free market system is the only solution you stupid bleeding heart lib fag socialist planned economy ignorant of history useful idiots.

>>131451395
I never go there anymore because of them. I would honestly eat McDonalds more if I could order from my phone and never have to look at the subhumans they prefer to employ.

As miserable and artificial as the food is, it's nothing compared to the shit-tier service.

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>>131470530
It's not that hard to understand. I have no one to rely on in life and I no qualifications to do anything else.

>>131471050
Don't you still want to do anything? Qualify for anything?

Go get an AWS certificate if you can program, get an internship or something and you'll be right as rain in 2 years

>>131451395
This pretty well covers it
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/04/5-facts-about-the-minimum-wage/

>>131471050

maybe try an armed security?

>>131453135
It's almost like the government is heavily involved in all of the things with increasing pricing....

Why do people think raising the federal minimum wage raises their wage, even if they are making minimum wage? Federal min wage is paid to federal employees, i.e., postal workers and shit. If you flip burgers, you are beholden to your state's minimum wage.

Learn what youre fucking asking for.

>>131457902
Price-per-computing is becoming exponentially cheaper, human labor is becoming more expensive. You do the math.

And remember I was right ;)

>>131472255

Why do restaurants coexist with vending machines, dummy?

>>131469464
The first thing the Nazi's did was genocide all the cripples and crazies. Because that was for the greater good. I fucking hate /Summer Extra Credit College Pol/.
>>131469592
Lose some weight and take the meditation pill. These times are tough.
>>131471050
So you're completely free? I envy you desu. You can do anything. The ties that bind are the ties that blind. I envy your freedom I am a slave up and down the generations now nothing but a caretaker.

>>131472513
>So you're completely free? I envy you desu. You can do anything. The ties that bind are the ties that blind. I envy your freedom I am a slave up and down the generations now nothing but a caretaker.
This.

Go fucking hike the Appalachians or the Rockies for months on end for fuck sake.

>>131468329
Not an argument.

>>131469524
>You're asking for more government regulations
Not true.

>>131470149
Nothing inadvertent about it anon. Higher education in America is a greedy industry.

>>131473473
>Higher education in America is a greedy industry.

Name an industry that isn't "greedy". It's a shame that the government has driven up the price of education by increasing its availability while the supply remains relatively stable. If only lower level economics classes were mandatory...

>>131474658
Current year ancaps are some weird pretender cunts desu. The statement wasn't implying anything other than the greed of our education sector, comparatively. Not some statement about the nature of free markets or some shit.

>>131477970
He's right, and it has nothing to do with ancap philosophy. The government subsidizes student loans and makes it very easy to get a loan at a relatively low rate. On top of that, they pay half of public school costs so for every dollar they increase tuition, they basically get a free dollar from the government. Of course they're going to raise tuition costs.

If a sector will get away with something, they will do it. Like he said all industries are "greedy" as in pursuing self-interest. Yes, it's a shame education is as corrupt and bloated as they are, but they're only allowed to have such a big administration because they subsist off skyrocketing tuition.

>>131478800
I'm aware of the institutional fuckups and vaguely how it got to this point. It's just that his rebuttal wasn't legitimate or even ecessary. As stated ITT, that chart about markets posted in the second post clearly displays the inflation in every market where the government intervened bigly. But it only goes back to the 90's. What I don't know is where exactly it all started regarding education, and what specific events allowed this.

>>131479569
*necessary