Was his act of revenge against a tyrannical government justified?

His original plan would have been war of attrition with government officials by sniping operations, which would have probably gotten more done for his goal. If I had to rank domestic terrorists, McVeigh is #1.

>>131446869
??

He was a government agent/patsy.

>>131446869
he was a fuck up. he could of sparked the 2nd American revolution had he blown that building up when there were no children and innocents in it.

>>131449572
There will be no more revolutions/rebellions in the west.
With the exception of some in the military you guys are so ignorant about the realities of a war where you'll have to shoot your own...all the government has to do is show pictures of dead children or spread some lies about the leaders (leaderless resistance is a meme, get over it) and you'll drop your guns and turn on your own choosing to "graciously lose" in order to not "become like the enemy" and other crap like that.

>>131446869
>Was his act of revenge against a tyrannical government justified?

It would have been more justified were it to have taken place on a weekend day, and not on Wednesday to minimize casualties.

>>131446869
No

He had the right ideas, the wrong actions

>>131446869
>Was his act of revenge against a tyrannical government justified?
I wish he'd chosen his target a little more carefully.

>>131453544
I wish Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi had chosen his target more carefully.

>>131449440
Kill yourself.

>>131446869

According to my Dad

>everyone in the 90s thought he was right. The problem was he killed all those kids in that daycare. Then everyone was upset. But if he just bombed a federal building no one would have given a shit.

>>131446869
hold up OP, call me crazy, but i just wanna ask why is this thread
>>>131443562
as well as this one asking for our opinions on two of the most infamous bombers in recent history?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJrT5iwwtM
He was pissed about waco and ruby ridge.

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>tyrannical

>>131452221
This. This country is sound asleep and very vulnerable.

>>131446869
He's worse than a muslim. I hope he got the BBC before he was killed.

Kinda on topic but my uncle actually used to know him back when he was living in AZ. He said he was a nice guy but my uncle always felt weird around him.

>>131446869
>Was his act of revenge against a tyrannical government justified?

cute meme, everyone here knows he was acting under orders

>>131449572
>he was a fuck up. he could of sparked the 2nd American revolution had he blown that building up when there were no children and innocents in it.

why would you burn human beings to death at the start of beltaine with no children? thats like christmas with no lights

Anyone else here read unintended consequences?

>>131446869
He killed babies. Who does that besides Muhammed.

>>131446869
I'd say to him what I'd tell my troops when they fucked up and tried hard
Good initiative; bad judgment
He shouldn't have killed the kids. It drove away on the fence people who might have otherwise supported him.

>>131449572
You are aware, that the feds built those daycares into Federal buildings at the time when there were a huge amount of threats against them.

What's the first thing you hear about OK City bombing?

>muh daycare

>>131446869
Killing zog functionaries and their children is always justified.

>>131449572
>children of zog officials
>innocent

Kill yourself you christcucked faggot

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>>131457666
Beautiful numbers, m8.
Palestinians and other assorted dune coons fire rockets and mortars from mosques and hospitals as well. The problem is that most Americans are generally moral, even more so in the 90's. The feds changed the rules and McVeigh should have adjusted fire. We have to take the high road until all out war begins. Then, and only then can we do what must be done in whatever way that it must be done.

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>>131458267
Wrong.

>>131458236
>Killing children
>Getting any political movement sympathy, ever
he fucked up

>>131455544
yeah we all know retard

>>131446869
He killed babies. Who kills babies and why?

Delusions of grandeur?

>>131457666
When Saddam did it it was "human shields" and an evil act. But you know: law for thee, but not for me.
And the majority of "the people" actually fall for this. Maybe that's why in all national revolutions only 10% of the population takes part - the rest are just dumb enough to believe the government, whoever it might be composed of.
Some people blame the frenchies for the Vichy government but that's actually the norm for any nation, most people actually love being sheep with only a few having the moral fortitude to resist and fight back.

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>>131458607
Again, wrong.

And the point isn't to get a movement, which obviously isn't going to happen because 99.999% of people are cowards. The point is to kill zogbots and their children, to put fear in them.

>>131446869
MOMS SPAGHETTI

>>131458870
Mud people opinions don't matter.

>>131458503
I'm sorry, I actually want popular support for my side in a civil war. Ideals are great but if people associate you with killing children, they're a lot more likely to report your cache of illegal weapons and explosives to the authorities. The war should be fought similar to how the PIRA fought during the Troubles. Blow up buildings, kill government officials, LEAVE THE CIVILIANS ALONE.

>>131458867
>Who kills babies
Political soldiers.

>and why?
Because they are children of zogbots, so killing them demoralizes the enemy.

>>131458267
>We have to take the high road until all out war begins
There ain't gonna be any war with you taking the high road all the way to losing what's left of your God given rights.
An then you can take the high road straight to the camps.

>>131446869
Beyond, dare say he's up there with the first true Sons Of Liberty.

>>131459034
There isn't going to be a war. Just cowardly sheep bowing to zog for the rest of time. And children of zogbots are not "civilians." They are also part of zog, therefore good targets.

>>131459032
FEMA camp is that way >https://www.reddit.com/

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>>131458867
Who indeed?
Hmmm...

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>>131446869
the government told him to do it...

>>131456028
All they need to do now is take away your guns and they're free to lube themselves up every night and force you to call them daddy.

>>131446869

Absolutely, and it bought us a few decades as the power players realized we still have some fight left in us.

The Alt/New Right has a lot to thank this man for.

McVeigh is the patron saint of personal agency and self awareness.

>>131449572
>hellspawn of government agents
>innocent
Tit for tat for Waco

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>>131457586
he was a solid 6-2 if barefoot

>>131453419
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>>131460711
Thank you. Your contributions to this thread have been noted.

>>131446869
what did eminem do

Any action against the feds is justified

-ATF Agents bow to McVeigh
-In contact with John Doe Number Two
-Possess terroristic-like abilities
-Controls the Murrah Building with an iron but fair fist
-Own Ryder Trucks & Fertilizer Plants globally
-Direct descendant of the ancient patriot blood line
-Will blow up the first building on Mars (Murrahgrad will be be the first building)
-Own 99% of fertilizer facilities on Earth
-First designer babies will in all likelihood be Yellow Ryder Trucks
-both bombers said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Michigan Farms & Waco Compounds
-Ancient Murrah scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented fertilizer trucks with them
-They own Weaver and Koresh labs around the world
-You likely have Weaverbots inside you right now
-They learned fluent Davidian in under a week
-Nation states entrust their fertilizer reserves with the bombers. There’s no fertilizer in Ft. Knox, only Ft. McVeigh
-The bombers are about 7 decades old, from the Murrah Explosion reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society
-In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Waco Siege to the cell in Supermax. We don’t know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they’re benevolent beings.

>>131446869
Blowing up little children is never justified. He accomplished nothing except mass murder with what he did. He achieved no political goals or gains. He helped no one with his attack aside from maybe the opponents of his non-murderous political brethren. It was quite simply an indiscriminate murderous attack on people who could not possibly expect to be targeted for any just reason. While he had his reasons for choosing that specific building as a target, it really isn't reasonable to consider it a discriminate attack due to the bomber's inability to to control the damage or direct it to his specific targets. It's like a father taking revenge on a man who raped his daughter by killing the rapist's brother at a public place along with 50 other people going about their lives. Any sense of seeking justice that motivated the attack goes out the window when it leads to committing a far worse injustice.

The deal about muhchildren and muhdaycare was just pathos psyop anyway. Think about it. Why were there children in a federal building anyway? Oh, because there was a daycare. Now, why the fuck was there a daycare anyway? Federal employees get to have 'bring you children to work day' every fucking day, while every other working family has to deal with some random daycare because the two-income household was already becoming the norm at that point.

No, the children were a part of it. Just like the branch dividian babies were. The only thing that makes me think he was a patsy was that he let himself be caught instead of doing another building and another building and another building

>>131446869
Yes but it was an FBI operation anyway
>Bombs federal building
>Coincidentally all the agents are out at lunch

>>131446869
That's not even the real slim shady.

>>131462815
No, Finn, you don't see the point at all. McVeigh, if he was genuine and not a patsy, was trying to start a revolution. Terrorism? Sure, but those are the stakes. The only "far worse injustice" is that the OKC bombing chilled any and all grassroots revolutionary thought until only just now 20+ years later. That's why I'm not too sure it wasn't a total psyop

>>131455861
>Ruby ridge and waco weren't displays of tyranny
Enjoy those blue pills faggot

>>131462815
Tit for tats for the children killed by the feds

>>131446869
nothing justifies killing children

>>131463503
What about Jewish children?
Mussies?
Niggers?
Must be pretty pro life

Fwiw, he dated my high school spanish teacher. She said he was pretty cool, but not too bright. The vibe I get from most people when they talk about it is they agree with his fight, but the daycare was too much

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>>131463503
You don't say..

>>131463503
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_juveniles_in_the_United_States

He was sheep-dipped.

AND

He struck back at a sick gov.

He knows all too well what infantry tank maneuvers are..and what they're used for...then he saw what our government did at WACO..

23 children gassed and made to suffer before being burned alive will make men strike back.

AND GUESS WHAT..... our gov learned the lesson.

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>>131452221
your media doesn't tell you of our midwest. the citizens have more guns than the army.

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>>131446869
yes, ATF snipers assassinated american children violating the ROE, then continued to try and kill the occupants of Ruby Ridge to coverup their crimes.

that would be the death penalty for those ATF sniper(s) if they were regular citizens

>>131446869

He's like the idiot that flew his plane into a building in Austin and killed a 50-year-old IRS bureaucrat. It accomplished nothing. It was just mindless violence, compounded with the murder of innocent children.

The easy difference between a terrorist and freedom fighter is that you have to have a plurality of support within the population. McVeigh had about 3 people total backing this course of action, plus a handful of neckbeards.

>>131462854
A large number of Fed employee children were taken out of the daycare days before the bombing. Also, McVeigh sucked the cock and was a meth addict. Only such a faggot would have driven away from the scene in a car with no fucking license plate.

>>131465048
>It accomplished nothing.

When was the last time there was government overreach like Ruby Ridge or Waco?

>>131457397
Literally every war of the modern era and the overwhelming majority of wars in human history. Fighting is ugly. What do you think happens when a drone operator guides some kind of precision munition through the bedroom window of a Jihadi in Yemen? Who do you think is sleeping next to the guy on the kill list?

>>131463660
Shouldn't take a genius to figure out how that was going to go over, right?

>>131462815
>He accomplished nothing except mass murder with what he did. He achieved no political goals or gains.

Thats inaccurate. The Oklahoma City Bombing was a turning point in the Federal Government's approach to the gun culture. Waco and Ruby Ridge had happened just a couple years before and they were explicitly about the "militia movement" and going after people on the extreme edge of the gun culture. Randy Weaver was clearly entrapped in an attempt to go after people he knew. The feds don't investigate child brides, the Branch Davidians were clearly targeted because of their weapons (hell, David Koresh volunteered to let the ATF inspect his guns and they decided to do a raid instead). Similar operations and increases in pressure were happening all over the country.

Then Oklahoma city went up. Everyone knew McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier weren't the only ones involved, but the FBI couldn't find an angle. That gave a lot of people pause. When the Feds took the pressure off, the militias faded into the background and the more mainstream groups took up the reigns with the NRA's state plan.

Since the bombing, assault weapon bans have screeched to a halt, federal enforcement has been scaled back to laughable levels, concealed and open carry have proliferated, and what judges like to call an "emerging consensus" in state law has developed to a point where cases like Heller could be successfully litigated.

>>131452221
Are you retarded? No one but liberals even gave a Fuck about gun control after the Sandy hook "shooting" and now Trump is in office pro-2nd amendment legislation is being pushed.

>>131449572
>could of
kys

>>131465506

Last year - Oregon. They killed one and shut the thing down. No one gave a fuck.

Your move.

>>131465506
9/11/2001

>>131467816
After being on Fed land? They would have killed them all in another time line.

>>131452221
>There will be no more revolutions/rebellions in the west

fuck off gypsy

>>131467816
To be fair, they only killed the one and never mounted a siege.

And thats after they backed down when Cliven brought out a militia and pointed guns at federal agents. He had snipers and truck mounted machine guns on hand.

>>131466709
Good point. He was a true hero.

>>131468349
He was a useful idiot who drank too much of the white nationalist Kool-Aid and killed a bunch of kids back, but I take your point.

>>131467904
The difference that time is it wasn't blatantly obvious.

>>131468126
>>131468303

I thought Ruby Ridge was referenced as an example of overreach. There were 2 killed there - wife and son, right? They even killed a U.S. Marshall.

I think Oregon is a valid "recent example" as requested.

So what's your point in the end? That McVeight accomplished something? Nah. He was loser, they executed his worthless ass, and he's fertilizer. That's all.

The government is a big, powerful entity and a few idiots killing civilians and children in terrorist "revenge" attacks, well, they ain't accomplishing anything of significance. That's the reality.

>>131468570
>white nationalist Kool-Aid
He came across as an edgy libertarian to me (yes I know he read the turner diaries)

>>131446869
Terrorism is never justified. If you're going to actively kill people they need to be enemy combatants, or at least the supporters of such.

>>131446869
Why do I keep seeing this picture of Eminem on /pol/?

What's the story?

>>131452221
>spread lies about your leaders and you'll drop your guns

They're gonna have to grab my guns by the pussy if they want to take them from me.

>>131469290
How is it overreach to go after literal criminals? Wife and son weren't criminals, the guys in Oregon were, they're awaiting trial.

>>131469512
it was a government building

and yes OP, yes it was, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

>>131469290
You have to consider the context. In Oregon you had a group of people who occupied federal land at gunpoint, stayed for months, and then finally one got killed. The Militia started the conflict and prolonged it, they were willing participants.

Randy Weaver was browbeaten into selling a sawed off shotgun so the Feds could flip him, then they ATF came in before dawn, killed his dog, shot his son in the back, shot his wife while she was holding his infant daughter, then started accusing him of holding his dead wife hostage because he wouldn't let her walk out. The Feds initiated that conflict every step of the way and were the sole escalators.

So, no, Ruby Ridge and Oregon aren't equivalent examples of overreach. Ruby Ridge was a state-sponsored attack, Oregon was a state-sponsored response.

>>131469586
his palms are sweaty
knees week arms are heavy
there's fertilizer on sweater already
bomb spaghetti

>>131457215
Dear Slim,

>>131455482
I'm assuming by "everyone" your Dad means everyone in his small rural town. Because people in my neighborhood in Long Island did not feel the same way.

>>131469469
The Patriot movement was a little more than edgy libertarians. Imagine if /pol/ was heavily armed, married, middle aged vets with steady jobs and good standing in Christian Identity circles.

>>131469469
Also to back up my point he referred to feds as fascist tyrants and storm troopers and himself was quite a constitutionalist. Also stated "remember the nuremberg trials" to imply the feds would be tried for their crimes like the nazis (not to imply the nuremberg trials were unjustified which they certainly were)

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>>131462203
underrated

>>131470133
My family has mentioned the memorial site a few times saying how it's so tragic and emotional.

>>131446869

It was a false flag.
He works for the government.
He's still alive.

>>131470133
I grew up in Chicago and my father knew a lot of old Black Panthers. The hippies didn't like McVeigh, but the working class whites and blacks were behind him up until the Turner Diaries stuff started coming out. A lot of the white guys were still into him after that, though...

>>131470187
Yeah but the media wanted to imply he was some kind of fascist because he was somewhat inspired by the turner diaries
Anyway it doesn't matter if they are heavily armed if they aren't going to do anything about it when the feds become more and more oppressive

>>131469675
Really? 7 (out of 27) were just acquitted in federal court. I don't know if they guy they shot was innocent or guilty, since the Feds killed him before trial.

BTW - your original request was:
>>131465506

Since over 25% were found innocent in the end, does that qualify as overreach for you?

I was also going to suggest the Waco biker shooting and the arrest of 100+ whatever, but I guess we'll have to wait and see how many are acquitted in the end there, won't we?

They massacred a bunch of bikers there, didn't they? Guess that wasn't the fed though. Still, big time government there, don't you think?


Wasn't your original premise that McVeigh somehow prevented government overreach in the future? Sorry, but there was no effect.

>>131469847
That's just wrong tho. Freedom fighters fuck with the opposition. Terrorists fuck with the irrelevant peaceful majority.

There is a difference.

Got caught over a tag violation lol.

>>131470405
But they did and the feds backed off. The FBI doesn't even have a team monitoring right wing groups anymore. They got the pressure off of themselves. 9/11 helped, but even 8 years of Obama didn't change the reality that the FBI and ATF have zero interest in challenging with the movement. Hell, they haven't even pushed back against the Montana NFA stunt.

>>131470574
>caught

You sure about that?

>>131470550
>American trying to have the moral highground
mate by your logic your military are all terrorists.

>>131446869
If he wanted a war with the government he should've hit a hard target like the FBI or a military base, not killing hundreds of people at shitty office jobs

>>131446869
No. Blowing up women and little kids is never going to help whatever cause you're fighting for

>>131470496
Yeah, just had to wait over 20 years for something you consider government overreach.

Again, police or government didn't go in slaughtering innocents. Allah, if you count mass arrests as overreach, might as well complain about the 200+ ANTIFAgs arrested in DC and dozens elsewhere.

I think targeting something like the DNC during a meeting or some MSM during prime time hours would have accomplished more. Even the Federal Reserve building for the sake of imagery.

The kid was dumb.

>>131469512
> What is Ruby Ridge, Alex?

>>131471083
His grudge was with the Feds though.

>>131469512
Fuck off christcuck. Killing your enemies needs no justification

>>131471192
I see retards like you claiming false flag in every thread about McVeigh, but you can never answer what the government accomplished with the attack.

>>131462203
> fluent Davidian
> weaverbots
10/10

>>131470550
>ZOG bureaucrats
>irrelevant peaceful majority

Pick only one. Then kill yourself.

did nothing wrong

>>131470895

WTF?

>When was the last time there was government overreach like Ruby Ridge or Waco?
>Yeah, just had to wait over 20 years for something you consider government overreach.

Oregon and Waco (bikers). That's called answering your question. 1 government fatality in Oregon, 9 bikers dead in Waco.

Again, McVeigh was a piece of shit, a killer of innocent children and government bureaucrats, and he accomplished nothing.

The government has clearly maintained the ability to crack heads domestically when they want to.

Sorry, but there you go.

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>>131471690
>1 government fatality in Oregon,

After being a retard around armed cops. Again, you might as well consider everyone, especially the blacks, killed by cops as overreach.

>9 bikers dead in Waco.

Killed by other bikers. I've yet to see proof that police killed any of them.

>>131471690
Government bureaucrat detected. Get fucked zogbot

>>131469605
Lol fucking bullshit. Federal agents could kick down your door right now and you'd have your tail between your legs.

>>131459587

>be me

>have drinking problem

>go thru 12 steps

>find Jesus

>Go to live with church group

>turn life around to get to heaven

>atf shows up and assassinates leaders wifes dad for no reason

>get in gun battle

>kill a bunch of atf

>atf runs out of ammo

>know Jesus will help us of we let them live

>they call their military buddies and burn us alive a month later

>I just wanted to love my new family go to heaven

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>>131452221
>We talk about revolution
>As long as nobody gets hurt though
>Our kids turn gay & we die of old age

>>131455482
The daycare was cleverly placed in that building. It's like how ISIS soldiers hide behind women and children.

>>131471867
Well, the estimate is at least 4 were killed by police gunfire, but I guess we'll have to wait a little longer for any details to emerge. Still waiting for the first trial to kick off - it's only been 2+ years after all.

>>131472014
Now, now, Stormfront. We're all just enjoying our 1st amendments privileges here. Sorry your bestie is fertilizing the lawn at Supermax, but there's a lesson to be learned in that.

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>>131461696
(You)

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>Actually believing this attack was what they said it was.

This was the first false flag

>>131474335
At least of the modern era

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>>131471778
He's alive and his career has really accelerated.
This is basically Hannah Montana IRL

>>131474335
Yep yep

>>131446869
SIC

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>>131446869
No, you retard. He was an autistic butthurt angry white boy who killed many innocent people. The US government might be shitty sometimes, but collecting taxes to pay for public works is not tyrannical. Your question suggests most likely that as an infant you were dropped on your head.

>>131446869
>>131447183
Wish he would have went with his original plan instead of just a bomb, the sniper idea was the best.

>>131449440

This, at the very least we was a patsy led on by and FBI "informant". They needed to look more justified for what they did at Waco

>>131455482

The militia movement was gaining momentum after the waco incident. Timothy was setup to make sure it died off.