>Centrists

>>131422912
You forgot moral supremacy

>>131423159
It's in the bottom panel

>>131422912
Hmmm...make logical decisions on each issue

or...

Hmmm...or...just swallow raw propaganda like the sewage I used to eat as a child. Wow, what a hard decision.

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>>131422912
It's not true. The right supports rich fuck bankers, theocracy, anti-environment etc.
The left supports SJW, communism welfare etc.

Centrism is literally the most reasonable thing to do now. If you're not centrist you're a shit eater idiot.

>>131423706
If you were a true centrist, you'd be right-wing by now, because you'd see the left-wing cultrue being propagated everywhere and try to compensate it.

>>131423598
suuuuuuuure

>>131423706
And there is nothing wrong with communism. Centrists are shit-eater idiots.

>>131422912
Us Centrists have better diplomatic skills.
>Left says their right all the time cause of feelings
>Right says their right all the time cause of muh logic
>Centrists listen to both retards to reach compromise.

It truly is summer already with you fags isn;t it?

>>131424076
Except the right-wing is taking over everything.

>>131424260
Online maybe, but not in real politics, where it matters, we lost in France, UK, Austria,...

>>131422912
2+2=4
Or
2+2=5

Haha! Its actually 4.5, im so smart

Take that drumpf

>>131424403
No I mean in real life. EU is a lazie faire free market capitalist union and enforcing itself on Europe. America is far-right and enforcing it's idealism on everyone. Then you have Russia which is far right and then you have China which is turning far-right.

>>131424076
> and try to compensate it

That doesn't even work because they never win.
And I'm not a fucking child to change my believes about important things to "compensate".

The right-win in ran by rich cunts, it's a scam just like the welfare vote buying love of ghetto dwellers. Vote for reasonable people and not for these fake movements with hidden agendas.

>>131424528
Most electors aren't taking the US seriously right now (not that I don't support their politics right now). The problem is that the 'spark' didn't really ignite in europe.

>>131424621
>Fake movements with hidden agendas
So being a centrist, you're saying that all right-wing movements have 'hidden agendas', but won't critizise the left-wing propaganda? Doesn't seem like you're a honest centrist to me.

>>131425301
he does criticize the left you are the one who won't criticize the left.

>>131425558
I don't claim to be a centrist though?

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>centrist means sitting on the fence on every issue
Loving this meme

>>131422912
The real question is: which party does the artist think is shit?

>>131422912
These counterfit smuggies are of low quality and poor taste.

>>131422912
Centrist would find a third option. Go home for example.
Who would force him to do either of those acts?

>>131425786
In practice, it usually does. Ever talk to another centrist? They try to avoid reaching an opinion because they don't want to be attacked for it. That's why a lot of people become (or remain) "centrists" in the first place.

>>131427300
Pizza is way more disgusting than shit.

>>131427607
I am a centrist, and people avoiding sharing their opinion is not the same as not holding one

>>131427607
It's not though.

Being a centrist means having a REASONABLE approach to things.

>Right-winger: immigrants are taking our jobs, they commit crimes and don't integrate into our way of life. We need to close the borders and deport all immigrants.

>Left-winger: immigrants enrich this country. They can do no wrong. Diverisity is our greatest strength! No borders, no walls! We need to open the borders a let everyone in.

>Centrist: most immigrants are law abiding and contribute to the local economy. We need to have a sensible immigration policy along with a screening process to ensure that we get the most benefits out of immigration whilst mitigating the drawbacks.

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>It's another terrible 4chan analogy involving shit

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>>131428968

>>131428968
How about just encouraging your own population to get enough children to sustain your own economy? No cultural problems, problem solved

>>131428968
Their only contribution is as consumers. They're a huge net drain on tax funds.

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>>131429554
>How about just encouraging your own population to get enough children to sustain your own economy?
And how do you propose we go about that?

>>131429265
Pic related

>>131429776
I don't know about Sweden but in Britain, most immigrants have jobs and pay taxes. You can't even claim benefits here until you've lived in the country for a certain period of time.

>>131430022
Look up the stats you dumb fuck.

>>131429890
Don't let any new people migrate and uncuck your women

>>131430096
Every single study I've seen demonstrates that immigrants contribute more than they take from the country. I think £1.34 for every £1.00 they take IIRC.

Show me a single study that immigrants are a drain on the economy.

>>131430294
>Don't let any new people migrate and uncuck your women
Do you think that the reason why people aren't having kids is because of migration and cucked women?

What does that even mean?

>>131430327
That's EU migrants you dishonest little shit.

>>131430392
>Brit
You simply don't get it, do you

>>131422912
>poop analogies work for everything

>>131422912
lol

>>131430631
Okay do you have the stats for non-EU migrants?

Every single study I've seen agrees that immigration has a net positive effect on the economy. Here's an article from the Economist that references such studies:

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21631076-rather-lot-according-new-piece-research-what-have-immigrants-ever-done-us

Show me your studies.

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>>131422912
ITT people getting mad because others don't dive head first into the blue team red team game that (((they))) set up.

Good goys. Fight each other.

>>131430682
Do you have an actual argument or not?

Explain to me PRAGMATICALLY how you're going to fix the declining birthrates in western countries.

>>131430938
Dustman and Frattini 2013, 2014
Migrationwatch UK 2014, 2016
Rowthorn 2014
HMRC report from august 2016 also shows net figures varying wildly depending on nationality, negative for quite a few

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>>131431101
> declining birthrates in Western countries is a problem which needs to be 'fixed'
> you know, because if the world needs anything it is more people, not less

Pic related is you desu senpai

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>when you take the centrist pill

>>131430392
Importing labor reduces wages, increasing the demand for housing increases its price.

Obviously this has the effect of reducing the fertility rate.

>>131431101
I could've but since you're such a dense fuck + you're I brit, I don't feel like doing that, thanks though for trying to make me feel like I'm intelligent. Brits were always ahead of us, but still lack a sense of white affiliation, have a good one.

>>131431456
Can you link me actual studies instead of just naming random reports?

Show me the evidence in black and white that immigration costs us more that we get back and I swear I will vote UKIP in the next election.

>>131431488
Do you even understand the implications of a declining population in economic terms? Do you even understand how our economy works?

>it's a centrist reduces the immigration question to nothing more than a money issue demonstrating once again that they are strong supporters of the ultra-globalist/far-left-useful-idiots walmart-nation model

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>>131431595
So how do these poor people manage to have a dozen kids per household if kids are so expensive?

>>131431757
Come off it mate. You have no arguments so you're running away to avoid getting BTFO again.

>>131431776
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dustman+and+Frattini+2013
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Dustman+and+Frattini+2014
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Migrationwatch+UK+2014
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Migrationwatch+UK+2016
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rowthorn+2014
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=HMRC+report+august+2016

>>131424233
>muh logic
LOL, is this the best argument you could come up with?

>>131432073
>So how do these poor people manage to have a dozen kids per household if kids are so expensive?
hahhahaha, thanks for the laugh M8(!). Are you a kike or from a royal family? If not, you're delusional as fuck

>>131431776
No anon, I do not understand. Please (((educate))) me as to how important it is to keep our population up for the economy, even though most of the jobs out there will be automated before the century is out. I am so interested in seeing the logical trainwreck that is your nonargument, you literal shit-eating sheep.

>>131432073
A lot of them are subhuman arabs. Almost all of them still have a much higher quality of life than they grew up with, unlike natives.

>>131432226
I read the HMRC report. Where does it say anything about immigration costing more than immigrants contribute to the economy?

Where do any of those reports come to that conclusion?

Seems to me that you're just making this up to suit your own agenda.

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>>131431037
HA fucking aussie think the center is not already controlled by the JEW. is you brain already melted by my fucking high IQ mentality?

>>131432441
>I read the HMRC report
You didn't.
>Where
In the breakdown per nation.
>Where do any of those reports come to that conclusion?
In the studies.

>>131423159
Well how else are we going to spend all of your money.

We are the morally superior afterall.

>>131432373
>doesn't answer the question
If kids are so expensive then how can poor people afford them?

It's a rhetorical question of course but I'll give you some time to think about it.

>>131432385
What do you think will happen to the economy if the population shrinks?

>>131432386
I'm not interested in where they're from, I'm saying that if poor people can afford to have a dozen kids per household then there's no reason why middle class people can't.

So, /pol/ is literally incapable of responding to any ideology other than its own with anything other than ad hominem I AM SILLY memes. More news at 11.

>>131423706
>It's not true. The right supports rich fuck bankers, theocr-
no, fuck off. if you're not even going to attempt to argue on a basis that isn't rooted in DNC / CNN / MSNBC talking points then fuck off back to (((wherever))) you came from.

>>131432650
They don't. You haven't even read the shit you're linking me.

Nowhere in there does it say that immigrants cost more than they contribute. Try again.

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>>131423706
>The right supports rich fuck bankers
Neocons are not right wing.

faceberg spencer.gear.7/posts/1470663176312702

>>131432740
>I'm not interested in where they're from, I'm saying that if poor people can afford to have a dozen kids per household then there's no reason why middle class people can't.
You're deflecting. Lower wages and higher cost of living decreases the fertility rate. This is obvious and you cannot dispute it.

>>131432740
>doesn't answer the question
if you don't understand what I mean, you aren't worth any explanation
>delusional

>>131424411
>implying the right isn't as illogical as today's left

>>131428968

Your politics are defined by the modern political spectrum, not any substantial ideology or reasoning, you're treating compromise as a virtue instead of a political necessity, how can you define what is good for the country if you have no basis for what is good and no end goal of the policy you claim to support. Instead of searching for the truth and the best way to do something you just limit yourself to what is acceptable.

Centrism isn't a tenable position to hold because it's assuming that politics is a static spectrum rather than in constant flux, a centrist today and a centrist 20 years ago would support totally different policy

>>131432858
Says the guy thinking a study exclusively of EU migrants is representative of total immigration.
>They don't
They do.
The HMRC report finds some nationalities to be a drain. Some of the others find non-EU migrants to be an overall drain. Some even find EU migrants to be an overall drain too.

>>131432998
I'd say that higher STANDARDS of living decrease the fertility rate. This is a trend that's observable all across the world.

China has low wages and high cost of living in a lot of areas yet they certainly don't have a population problem.

As people become more wealthy and educated they want to spend their lives doing things other than raising a bunch of rugrats.

In general, fertility correlates pretty closely with wealth. Poor people tend to have a lot more kids than wealthy or middle class people. Even Africans who come here have fewer kids than Afriancs in Africa.

>>131432740
> n-no Aussie you tell ME how I can even into economy

Come on Mohammed. You were meant to be the one telling me how it is, remember? I ask again. Please tell me how important the large population of unwashed peasants will be after most of our jobs are automated.

>>131431037

Centrism is the fucking blue team red team game, it considers nothing outside of that dichotomy

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>>131433237
stop replying to him jesus

>>131433009
Okay so you don't have an answer or an argument. Goobye retard.

>>131433237
I'm talking about immigration as a WHOLE. Show me a study that says that immigration as a whole is a drain on society.

I'm sure there are some groups of immigrants who contribute more than others and some who barely contribute at all.

>>131422912
The first time I've heard of "centrist" was when I asked my chinese friend who's a "trump supporter" what Donald Trump meant when he said he's both a nationalist and a globalist

He tried to explain that because he's both, he's a centrist and not a fucking moron who doesnt know what either term means.

>>131432073

>So how do these poor people manage to have a dozen kids per household if kids are so expensive?

Because they go on welfare, and the difference between non-whites and whites is that whites tend to not reproduce if they don't think they can sustain a family. Non-whites tend to reproduce with complete disregard for affordability. It's just another example of non-white time preference.

>>131433341
>China
>no population problem
They have the most dismal population pyramid I have ever seen.
>educated
Yes, education is pretty much the only factor you've mentioned with a significant negative correlation. Which should be obvious since more education means starting work later and being able to start a family later.

>>131422912
its always fun to laugh at partisan idiots who think they're actually following the objectively correct path

>>131433541
>Show me a study that says that immigration as a whole is a drain on society.
Dustman and Frattini 2013, 2014
Migrationwatch UK 2014, 2016
Rowthorn 2014

>>131432774

Centrism isn't an ideology it's the total lack of one

>>131433541
K M8

Centrist is the new "Fedora" tier position to take in a debate.

Like Atheism

>>131433595
>Because they go on welfare, and the difference between non-whites and whites is that whites tend to not reproduce if they don't think they can sustain a family. Non-whites tend to reproduce with complete disregard for affordability. It's just another example of non-white time preference.
What's preventing whites from claiming welfare?

There are plenty of huge white working class British families on welfare. I can assure that whites here have no qualms claiming welfare. Maybe that's an American thing.

>>131433608
Well high levels of education tend to correlate with a high standard of living and low birthrates. They're all correlated.

>>131433357
We're nowhere near the point of full automation. Enough with this meme.

>>131423706
>The right supports rich fuck bankers, theocracy, anti-environment etc.
Wrong.
>The left supports SJW, communism welfare etc.
Wrong.

You are just cherry picking extremists and then claiming you are the only sane one as a moderate centrist. Untrue.
A centrist is someone who concerns themselves more with their personal ego than actually advocating solutions real world problems.

>>131433716
None of those studies show that though.

You're just blatantly lying now.

>>131433685

Ideology isn't about objective truths it's about value judgements you embarrassment

>>131433720
>local kiwi doesn't know how ideologies work
>water is also wet

>>131434049
Why won't you die already?

>>131422912
The point of being a centrist is I get to piss off both sides. I'm not eating any shit. I piss on the shit and watch you cucks share it. And yes right wingers are cucks too. You would probably let Trump fuck your wife in front of you.

>>131434049
>what is ANOVA
>>131434127
They all do.

>>131433716
Could you say where's the immigration gain/drain by nationality in HMRC report? I'm barely awake but interested and can't find it

>>131434226
Sorry sweetie, am I triggering you?

>>131434049

>What's preventing whites from claiming welfare?

The fact that whites are more cognitively capable of seeing that such a system is unsustainable and will collapse. Few non-whites can comprehend the unsustainable nature of the welfare state, and among them even fewer care that it's unsustainable.

>>131423706
Fuck off faggot, you know nothing about the right-wing.

>>131434332
I kinda like you actually, you're persistent as fuck

>>131434049
>What's preventing whites from claiming welfare?
Conscience, the want to make something out of their lives, cultural reasons (being unemployed is baaad). Logically there's "nothing" that prevents them, but somebody has to work.

>>131434300
Nope, not a single one of those studies says anything about immigration being a net drain on society. You're either very stupid or very dishonest - possibly both.

>>131434367
Do you really think that whites are choosing not to have kids for fear that the welfare state might collapse?

Why are Japanese people choosing not to have kids? Do they have the same concern for the welfare state as we do?

>>131434301
page 13 and 14
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/548156/HMRC_-_Ad_Hoc_Stats_Release_-further_TC_statistics_on_EEA_Nationals_JULY_-_FINAL_23rd_August_2016.pdf

>>131422912
Explain to me what eating shit has to do with political views? Is that what you white supremashits are thought in school?

>>131422912
That drawing looks like Rachel maddow, especially the shit eating schreech

>>131434207

Ideology is a system of ideals used to inform policy, centrism has no ideals unless you think "pick the best ideas from each side" is an ideal (and of course what constitutes "best" is never defined). Ideology is timeless, what constitutes centrism changes like the seasons

>>131434670
I mean I can take you to towns in Britain that are 99% white and most people are on welfare.

If people really wanted to have kids they would. It just so happens that when people are educated and focused on their career they don't want to spend their free time changing nappies.

>>131434458
Thanks Nazibro. Wherever you're from.

>>131434715
>further statistics
Ooohhhhh! I was looking in that gargantuan 290 page main doc. Thanks friend!

>>131434715
>>131434301
Note that it's far from comprehensive, not including some very significant factors like housing benefits. But it's pretty clear with what they're working with.

>>131434672

>Do you really think that whites are choosing not to have kids for fear that the welfare state might collapse?

It's not fear, it's an understanding that the system is failing and will collapse as is, let alone if whites indulged in it with the same enthusiasm as non-whites.

>Mfw americans get butthurt when someone tries to think logically by themselfs instead going full SJW SJW NAZI NAZI
:)

>>131434974

>>131422912
>pushing identity politics this hard
Its afraid

>>131423598
There we go. Any extreme for the most part is going to cause problems in the long run. Finding a .middle ground, taking the best of both extremes, seems to work out best.

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>>131422912

>>131435235
Ah those selfless white people... God bless 'em!

I really can't tell if you honestly believe this.

When a couple decide to have a child that seems like a pretty personal decision. I doubt that the impact on society or the welfare state is going to factor into the equation at all.

Then there's the matter of contraception...

>>131429890
>pic related
Straight from the mind of a champagne socialist who probably lives in a gated community.

>>131434049
> we're nowhere near the point of full automation

Nah, it's just happening extremely rapidly and will be implemented for all menial physical jobs before the century is out like I said

> enough with this meme

You can't argue with me. You literally have nothing to say in response to this which is why you keep avoiding it.

Congratulations, you have managed to do nothing except prove that you are an extremely stupid sand nigger who is unable to think beyond his next game of taharrush with a goat.

>>131435380

Extreme is relative, democracy is extremism in North Korea

If you're not a centrist then you're a part of the fringe 5% on either side of the political spectrum and you're hated by everyone else.

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>I don't think we should force ourselves to be labeled and blanket our opinions one way or another, I think we should use our intelligence and judge our stance on each situation accordin-
>"SHILL SHILL JEW KIKE LOL UR A CENTRIST BRO U HAVE NO OPINIONS BRO LMAOOOOOOOOO"

What is it that /pol/ can't wrap its hydrocephalic head around? It's seriously just common sense.

>>131423706
This

We're being polarized for a reason; the two party shit was made for breeding useful idiots.

>>131435515

It is an incontrovertible fact backed by countless studies that economic matters impact white people's willingness to have children differently than non-whites.

I know it may be hard for you to see past your religious devotion to the notion of a natural equality among the races and sexes, but it is what it is.

>>131433068
You can say that about any part of the political spectrum.

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I don't fucking mind being called a smug douchebag if i can avoid being a literal blockhead.

We love to debate "causes" such as gun control, immigration and taxes.

Come election time politicians select certain causes based on electoral groups.

They aim for the biggest demographic possibe... even though it means that they often contradict themselves.

Like... being pro death penalty while also being pro life.

Or pro feminism but also pro muslim immigration.

Pro blue collar jobs... but anti unions.

Anti gun but also pro anarchy.

Being a centrist simply means you don't have to follow the piper. Smug af.

>>131434672
Dustman and Frattini 2013
>ALL MIGRANTS 1995-2011 -95.3bn
Dustman and Frattini 2014
>ALL MIGRANTS 1995-2011 -113.6bn
Rowthorn 2014
>RECENT MIGRANTS(better performing in every comparative study) 2001-2011 -30bn
MigrationWatch UK 2014
>ALL MIGRANTS 1995-2011 -148.5bn
>ALL MIGRANTS 2001-2011 -130.2bn
>RECENT MIGRANTS 2001-2011 -27.5bn
MigrationWatch UK 2016
>ALL MIGRANTS 2014-2015 -16.7bn
>RECENT MIGRANTS 2014-2015 -6.2bn

They all show migrants to be a net drain.

>>131435276
Wouldn't have guessed. I thought you guys were all pot smoking hippies. When did you go Nazi on us?

>>131435541
Is North London a "gated community" to you?

>>131435729
So your argument against immigration is that we shouldn't import people who will potentially end up getting replaced by robots one day?

>his next game of taharrush with a goat

Okay this made me lol.

>>131435380
what's extreme?

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>mfw I tell everyone I'm a centrist so they fuck off and leave me alone but really seeg hile race war now whites win

I'm at the point where I think anyone to the left of Mussolini should be public ally executed. tbqh

>>131434002
Fuck off, no it's not. It a reasonable response to more and more people gravitating to extremes.

>>131436011
Is it really though? I mean I'm not saying that that's bullshit but it certainly sounds like bullshit to me.

Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion that whites care more about the economic impact of having children that other races?

How do you explain the declining birthrates in Japan then?

>>131436069
None of those studies measure the totality of their contributions to the economy (i.e. both taxes and spending)

>>131434974
>when people are educated
They don't earn an income for another 3, 5 or 9 years.

>>131436493
I mean WHEN people are educated not WHILE they're being educated.

>>131435515
Shut the fuck up, immigration is a net detriment to the nation. Aside from the economic debate how about the fact that crime rises with shitskin imports? Or the fact that native Brits will be bred out and a demographically replaced in the country of their forefathers?

>>131436416
They all show immigrants contributing far less than natives, making more natives a superior option in every way to importing people who are worth less.

>>131436357
>*tips fedora*

Well said, m'lady.

>>131436718
That is when they are educated. Did you mean after they have finished their lengthy education, during which they earn no income and lack the means to support a family? That's after they have been educated.

>>131436787
>immigration is a net detriment to the nation
Please show me ONE study or ONE statement by a respected economist that backs up this assertion.

>Aside from the economic debate how about the fact that crime rises with shitskin imports?
I think we need to screen immigrants and not let in people with criminal backgrounds obviously.

>Or the fact that native Brits will be bred out and a demographically replaced in the country of their forefathers?
What do you mean by "native" brits? White people? I mean honestly I don't care that much about race. As long as you respect the law and our customs I don't give a fuck what colour you are.

>>131422912
>pol

why dont like what i like reeeeeeeeee

>>131436416
Also just because there is declining birth rates in Japan doesn't prove that only whites make fiscally responsible decisions when having children.

>>131437057
>I think we need to screen immigrants and not let in people with criminal backgrounds obviously.
It's not a crime to be a cannibal rapist in the ISIS controlled areas of Syria, in fact one of them got his picture taken with a Belgian minister.

>>131437057
>What do you mean by "native" brits?
People native to the British isles, obviously. Don't play stupid. You really, really do not need it.

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>>131436416
>>131436011

Based nog wins. It has everything to do with income, access to contraceptives and education.

Europe just dropped its balls first, the rest of the world is following fast as we globalise.

>>131436818
They don't though. If they did this would be national headline news. Every economist and every politician would have been wrong.

People like Nick Griffin would have been quoting these studies for years if that's what they said.

>>131437020
Generally people decide to have children after they've finished their education and started working right? I don't even know what we're arguing about here.

>>131437057
>Please show me ONE study or ONE statement by a respected economist that backs up this assertion.

Wasn't there some study that said like 3% of migrants had jobs after living in germany for 2-3 years?

>>131437057
Do you care if white British people go exitinct? Do you care if there are for instance no more ethnically Nordic humans in Sweden? Do you honestly not see how this is a detriment to a nation?

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>>131423159

i fall around the center with these political tests, but i don't consider myself a centr"ist". your pic is a false dilemma, and a caricature straw man. you're welcome.

>>131437422
>They don't though
They all do show immigrants contributing far less than natives, making more natives a superior option in every way to importing people who are worth less.
>people decide to have children after they've finished their education and started working right?
Exactly. Not having an income for another 3, 5, or 9 years of studies delays the formation of a family and decreases its size.

>>131437057
>As long as you respect the law and our customs I don't give a fuck what colour you are

Muslims will try to instate sharia law. When they become the majority, they will. They value god over men.

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>>131437057

>>131436023

How do you make that out

>>131435964

How long did it take to inflate your ego to that size friend?

> I think we should use our intelligence and judge our stance on each situation according [to the circumstances]

This is what everyone does, you aren't special, the difference is someone using ideology to inform them on how to judge the situation has reasoning beyond weak utilitarianism, they're judging each policy based on their values, someone that values freedom will have a different solution than someone who values conformism etcetera

>>131437269
Did you know that Syrians commit fewer crimes than native Germans?

https://www.thelocal.de/20151113/police-refugees-commit-less-crimes-than-germans

Immigrants from certain countries (Kosovo, Albania, etc...) do seem to commit more crime but Syria definitely isn't one of them.

>>131437288
I mean I have Germanic and Scandinavian ancestry so do I qualify as a native Brit? What about an Indian who has lived here for several generations?

This whole "native" narrative falls apart pretty quickly when you point out that most people have ancestors that came from somewhere else if you go back far enough.

What that anon actually meant was very simple: WHITE people.

>>131422912

Stop focusing so much on left vs right vs center, honestly who cares? Focusing on arguments for their own merit rather than herpderping about where they fall on same made up left-right spectrum that's always changing, and filled with contradictions.

>>131437879
Haha nice try there has been more immigration in the past 50 years than in the past 500 before 1950. That argument that hurr we're all immigrants is a fucking joke.

>>131437447
No I don't.

Explain to me why people need to be white in order to be good citizens.

>>131437691
But we've already established that natives aren't having kids.

Are you suggesting that people stop going to university and start having children instead?

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore. It's late and I'm tried.

>>131437703
If all Muslims wanted to live under Shariah law we'd have a massive problem on our hands. Fortunately that's not the case.

Anyway, I'm talking about immigrants in general, not just muslims. As soon as you mention immigration these days people immediately come at with the islam memes and the terrorism memes...

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>>131438277

forgot the pic

>>131422912
This

"Centrist" is just another way of saying "I'm virtue signalling how reasonable I am because it's easier than actually understanding the issues, and implementing critical thinking"

>>131437879
>What about an Indian
He's Indian.
>I mean I have Germanic and Scandinavian ancestry so do I qualify as a native Brit?
You qualify as a mutt, or do you think some Irish-German mix is now a native american because his ancestors landed in America 300 years ago?
>What that anon actually meant was very simple: WHITE people.
What he actually said was very simple; native brits.

Nobody wants to get taken over by Slavs, Germans, Brits or Spaniards just because they're white. They're foreigners and they have their own damn countries. Brits have a right to self-determination, same as any other people. And they have a right to secure their future existence.

>>131427300
Doubles of truth

>>131438306
No I don't, and there you have it. This I individual doesn't care if a whole group of people go exist. I never implied you have to be white to be a good person, I implied it's shameful to genocide an entire group of people through mass immigration. I wonder if you apply that same logic for other groups? Do you care if the entire race of Japanese are ethnically cleansed from this earth? If so take a hard look in the mirror and fix yourself unless you're a kike and in that case kys

>>131438306
>But we've already established that natives aren't having kids.
Just as we've already established immigration has a negative effect on the fertility rate of the natives.

Becoming a bigger, but poorer nation benefits no person, but corporations.

>>131438464
You realise that the MAJORITY of white English people have Germanic or Scandinavian ancestry right? Do you know anything about the history of Britain?

Native just means that you were born here.

Here's the dictionary definition since I know you're going to try to argue about semantics:

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/native

I don't give a fuck what race or ethnicity someone is as long as the obey the law and integrate into British culture.

>>131423706
>right supports rich fuck bankers
> theocracy
> anti environment

> this is what the right means, according to reddit fagots
how can one be so fucking stupid. it aches
i want this place to be purged right fucking now

>>131438777
Haha native just means you're born here, wrong English as a NATIVE GROUP have more to bind them together as a people than just they were born in the same country. Fucking civic cucj get it together, race matters

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Given how far the left currently is on the political spectrum, being "centrist" just makes you a left leaning degenerate.

>>131438632
I don't think any race should be cleansed from the earth. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>131438751
Immigration is a response to low fertility rates, not the cause of it.

Anyway I'm tired. I'm going to bed.

Some of us aren't NEETs.

>>131439057
I said do you care I white British go extinct, and you said no I don't. Are you Jewish?

>>131438277
apies babies care that people dont agree with them they cant help it.

>>131438954
>changing the definition of words to suit my narrative

Native means born in Britain. Nothing more. That's what it means literally, figuratively and legally.

I'm sorry that you're so triggered by brown people anon but you'd better get used to them. They're not going anywhere.

>>131439057
Me too civic cucj, let me leave you with one thing. Soon we or later you're going to realise demographics is destiny hopefully you see before you your race and country are destroyed. Night :)

>>131438777
And a people being born there makes that people native to the location. The Indian people was not born in the British isles. They are not native to Britain.
>You realise that the MAJORITY of white English people have Germanic or Scandinavian ancestry right?
I guess native americans and aboriginals are both extinct then. Some people not being purebred natives has no effect whatsoever on whether a native people exists. It's not an argument.
>I don't give a fuck what race or ethnicity someone is as long as the obey the law and integrate into British culture
You don't care about your people, even about its hypothetical extinction.

Do you want me to praise you for that? Good boy, grand treason. Magnificent how you insist on selling your people's birthright to the highest bidder. You're a paragon of soulless materialism in a sick mind devoid of even the concept of virtue.

>>131439057
We've already established immigration has a negative effect on the fertility rate of the natives. As well as native brits being superior to the average immigrant to britain.

>>131439371
Okay well good luck with that.

>>131439502
>You don't care about your people, even about its hypothetical extinction.
I do care about my people: the British people.

I consider a black Englishman to be my fellow citizen just as much as a white anglo-saxon.

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>>131439238
Wrong.

>>131439663
>We've already established immigration has a negative effect on the fertility rate of the natives
No we haven't. Stop making shit up.

Japan has lower fertility rates than we do and they have virtually no immigration at all.

The link is between standards of living/education and fertility rates - not immigration. Immigration is the fix that politicians and economists have come up with.

>>131439832
>a black Englishman
There is no such thing. It is a black citizen, not a member of the English people.

>>131439832

Ah the magic British soil

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>>131439832
there is no blank slate. there's a reason africa and latin america are permanent shitholes, and it has everything to do with the people who live there. someone with different genetics from native british might be a citizen under the law, but when SHTF everyone will look out for their own kind.

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>>131423706
>It's not true. The right supports rich fuck bankers, theocracy, anti-environment etc.
>The left supports SJW, communism welfare etc.
>falling for the left vs right binary spook

Brainlet detected.

>>131438777
>You realise that the MAJORITY of white English people have Germanic or Scandinavian ancestry right?
That majority only has like 10% germanic/scandi blood on average if that, the English have mostly Celtic blood whether they like it or not.

>>131440094
>No we haven't.
Yes we have. I explained the exact mechanisms and you offered no retort.
>Japan
Is a completely different country with disparate working conditions, and decades of QE.
>Immigration is the fix that politicians and economists have come up with.
We've already established immigration only further depresses the fertility rate of the natives.

>>131427300
Wouldn't the centrist eat nothing, the leftist eat shit and the rightest eat pizza?

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>>131424528
>America is far-right

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>>131422912
Centrist "arguments" always consist of though terminating cliches and strawmen.

>>131436082
>One day
Give it 50 years
Give it 100

Either capitalism dies or we need a he'll of a lot less people

>>131434871
Fucking wrong. Ideas and ideologies evolve over time and change even depending on where you are. "Liberal" doesn't mean the same thing around the world.

>>131437422
>If they did this would be national headline news. Every economist and every politician would have been wrong.
Really tickles my pickle.

>>131442841

That bears no relevance, label and ideology are two separate things, ideology never changes because it is a system of ideals, if those ideals change it is a separate ideology, a libertarian that believes in open borders and one who doesn't hold different ideals even though the same label applies to both of them

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>>131422912
A real centrist would have two plates of foods, each with a serving of shit on them. They'd pick and choose from both plates until they've assembled a shit-free meal.

Everyone else just eats whatever they can manage to swallow on their single plate and hopes they don't accidentally take a bite of shit.

>>131440858
Right wing and left wing arguments*

Fixed it for you

>>131443772
Ideology belongs to the individual. The purpose of it is to be fluid and change according to whoever holds it.

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>>131423706
>Posts pics of centrists.

>>131429890
Are you implying that the bottom row of pic related isn't exactly what you achieve?

>>131427300
>centrists believe this
Kek

>>131445002
That seems perfectly valid though.

If A accuses B of bullshit, but B fires back that A has his own bullshit, A should have to answer for his own bullshit lest he be a complete fucking hypocrite.

>>131422912
let's just ignore that the countries with the highest quality of life have centrist policies enacted in favor of funny comix xDD and hot political opinions

I'm not even a centrist but you clearly don't even understand centrism other than the /pol/ memes that you take more seriously than you should

>>131431587
pretty accurate desu lad

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>>131431587
>only in the 80th percentile
What a fucking brainlet

>>131427300

This is false.
To more accurately put it:

Leftist eats shit.
Rightist eats pizza.
Centrist eats 1/2 shit 1/2 pizza.

A person on the left will argue that it's the other way around

Leftist eats pizza
Rightist eats shit
Centrist eats half of both

Either way the centrist is a shit eater to someone on the left, and someone on the right.